If it was Tom Ellis lucifer then I highly doubt we would have gotten the battle he's to nice of a devil and now he's a therapist to help people get out of hell
For those who are thinking it's the same Lucifer, it's not both Shows are not of the same cannon. But there was an idea to bring Tom back into the role but they decided to keep them both separate so they could do there own spin on it.
@@kalvin187douglasAs a pathetic joke character. He needs to be serious and cold as well as have the features from the comic like the blond hair and no facial hair.
@@kalvin187douglas how, exactly? For starters, he ain't even close to being the "most powerful of all creations" as said here. Morpheus would be able to deal with him pretty easily in season 2 unlike Brienne of Tarth Satan who will be an actual problem to him and also there's the more obvious problem: He simply isn't what this show needs for a Lucifer. The Lucifer show took way too many creative liberties to the point where their Lucifer is neither DC's Lucifer nor the actual Devil from abrahamic religions. He's a original take, in which he's just a fallen angel who made a mistake, got extremely punished for it and then got scapegoated by humanity as evil incarnate and the ultimate beast when he's actually very far from being all that. This show actually wanted to make an adaptation of DC/Vertigo's Lucifer Morningstar, unlike the Fox show, who just wanted to make a procedural buddy-cop comedy with the Devil as a cop but for some reason they decided to make it out of DC's Lucifer when they could easily have done the entire show as it's own thing by simply taking away the Vertigo names like Mazikeen, Amenadiel, Silver City, etc and it would have remained the same show except that Lucifer wouldn't have had that cameo on the CW crossover. It'd have been the same show and they wouldn't have had to pay royalties to DC/Warner for technically using their characters and stories even though they weren't. Not really.
@@justsomeone1555 I'm thinking that their concept was just close enough that they got the rights "Just in case". But I'd have assumed Tom would have played the Sandman version and it would have contrasted with the hero Lucifer from the show.
@ Archons “wOkE” get some new material or find the 🥜 you left in your first cousin’s mouth and just say what’s really making you mad. You’re mad the cast has Black ppl in it. You better buckle up and get used to all this #BlackExcellence gracing your screen bc our buying power has been established. Gwendolyn C has a permanent place of honor at the cookout so she counts as one of us. Stay mad 😂
@@Archonsx 1. the book itself was woke for its time, and 2. We don’t actually give two fuck rather it is woke or not if it is actually good, the problem with most of those other shit is, all they are is woke, but everything about them are shit,
@@rickymorphew2245 no it wasn’t. The comics are far from woke propagande. Lucifer was a Man, Constantine was a man, no discussion of politics, just focus on story telling.
This was a great show, And no Tom wouldn’t have worked here, they’ve change lucifer way too much from canon to have it fit anywhere plot relevant, the best we could have ever gotten was the cameo in crisis
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Matthew: A friend of mine came here. My ex was cast down wrongly, and he fought his way to get her back. Morpheus: He is a warrior? Matthew: No, a big vegetable. I mean, really big.
It is often asked in what way an individual being, like Lucifer is more powerful than a "fundamental aspect of existence" like an Endless. It's about frame of reference. What makes the Endless "endless" is that they are a universal concept. They are "bigger" than any one entity, even a cosmic entity, even a god. They are however like gravity - weak at any one point compared to the scope of their reach. Lucifer could "destroy" Dream, as we the viewer see Dream. But Dream is only a manifestation of an infinite idea. As seen in comics, there are many instances of Dream, each seen differently by beings across the universe. Lucifer could not destroy the idea of Dream.
He literally could tho. It would mean the end of the universe, but Lucifer could destroy the concept of dream, since he is the reason concepts even exist. We've seen him destroy conceptual beings in the comics.
@@SexLuthor it’s still the same character they just had him hold back a lot of his abilities cause otherwise there wouldn’t be 6 seasons of Lucifer and it be less memorable if they have him use all his power in a series
@@chintzychinchin761 that's because in the comics as well, Lucifer doesn't use his powers that much or even in battle because he mostly uses his brain,
When it comes to Life after Death theory I would LOVE to emulate how it happened to Matthew here with my own in every detail. I could get used to being a watchful lapdog flying from Dream World to the waking world or any other world for that matter
People who keep saying the Tom Ellis version wouldn't work are forgetting that this show is a literal prequel to the Lucifer show, timeline wise. Tom doesn't become a goofball until he abdicates the throne in hell. He'd have likely played this earlier version of Lucifer more seriously. (this one hasn't left hell yet but hints at doing so in her final scene)
It is a matter of perspective. Lucifer is more powerful in his own power. Michael holds the divine spark for God, which is technically not his own power and would be weaker than Lucifer without it. Even with it, they are pretty tied, as Michael could not unleash the spark without resetting reality.
Those who are confused about gender of Lucifer because here Lucifer is shown as a female but in Lucifer series (Tom Ellis) he is a man. The truth is angels don't have any gender... They are genderless and beautiful (beautiful in case of angels) and yes Lucifer (as a devil) is genderless and ugly but was one of the most beautiful angels when he was Samael (angel). The reality of "Lucifer Series" is They had to make Lucifer a handsome young man just for the show 😂😂 the reality is lil bit different.
@@manuel1654088Nope. Lucifer was possessed by Fenris wolf and Fenris used the last of Lucifer’s power to blast Michael. Michael then gave his demiurgic power to Elaine.
@Miki rin Wrong. Lucifer is more powerful and he technically hard counters Michael. If Michael even tried to use the Demiurge against Lucifer, he'd just manipulate that energy. Lucifer has done it before, twice.
Because in the Sandman universe Lucifer is literally the one who shaped the universe under the guide of the Presence (God), together with his brother Michael. Lucifer is above the Eternals, he was there before them. Lucifer is literally the pure manifestation of the will of God and therefore he has near absolute power on all aspects of reality. Lucifer's limitation is that he is unable to create from nothing, that is the power of his brother Michael, but otherwise he can manipulate both time, space and matter to his absolute will, with only God himself able to negate Lucifer's powers
Its like, the Presence is God with a capital G, the Creator of everything. It is above everything else, Endless included as he is also the one behind their existence (for example, the book of Destiny is basically directly written by the Presence). The other gods are instead born from the beliefs of mortals. They are born inside the Dreaming itself in fact, and fade away when people stop worshipping them. The Endless are the children of 2 other entities, Time and Night, and are above the lower gods, but below the Presence, Lucifer and Michael
@@mikirin363 are you sure of that? The Presence to my knowledge was always presented as being very much above the Eternals and is the creator of DC multiverse (also known as the Source). He is also the one empowering the Spectre for example, though indirectly. (btw, am not religious, I'm simply talking about how the comic works)
He can manifest his own self image, shape shift and pretty much transform anything into something else . They could easily portrait him as anyone without much context also dream can have a different appearance for different people
That's because the directors and the industry want to please this generation tiktok kids and "woMeN EmPowERmeNT" that is why Lucifer is a women and death is a black women which isn't real
@@hushepsilon8112 in comics his brother has a kid . In the bible they have children as well , they are described either as a sort of chimera or a mechanical contraption with fire they can appear as human if they want . That's why angels in anime/manga have something to do with machines , numbers or chimeras since they sometimes chose to ignore the western blonde androgynous angel
Man I’ve always been interested in the Vertigo and Sandman universe(I’ve never read the comics yet), but this show seems bland and witless, maybe it just sounds corny with actual actors maybe it feels better in the pages
The show of sandman it´s great . Reasons:it´s an almost page by page adaptation with some modifications with scenes and character arcs, but in very general, very very faithful Like watchmen movie. Reason 2: The actors are good in this, i don´t understand your comment. Reason 3: It´s not a cheap show, only first season haved a 165 million dollar budget and you could see that in the great effects and cinematography, and the other technical aspects.
0:52 Not Biblically accurate tho. Not even accurate by Jewsish texts. Cos the Arch angels are only Secondary level guardians. Beyond them there are angels in Bible describes stronger than Lucifier and Micheal. Lucifer no strong than Micheal, nor wise. Only these illuminatis describing him as such. He just gathered angels who hate men becoming theri master under God's name so he rebeled against the God himself. To God we humans were meant to rule all creation including these Angels. And Lucifer don't like it. If I were a Christian I'd rather trust God than angels and demons. They're supreme. Neither Lucifer. He's just a spoiled brat to me that's it.
nobody said it was supposed to be accurate to the bible. in the comics the actual religious histories get thrown right out the window. in dc Norse mythology is real Christianity is real and pretty much every religions god is real,
@@rickymorphew2245ven then I hear both lusifer and Michele are essentially equals That the only reason lusifer lost is because he lost most of his divine power when he rebelled or Michele was amped by God Either way God either made lusifer weaker or Michele stronger for one to beat the other
Why did they make Lucifer a woman when he is a man through out all comics? And don't say angels are sexless, when he was constantly referred to as "he", "him", "son", "Brother", "uncle", "Mr" etc. Also if angles were sexless, how did his BROTHER, become a FATHER? And why is Lucifers Sisters, always referred to as female? And yes i know Neil tried to say they are sexless, but that's 40 years later after he made the characters, and when he did make the characters he didn't think of them a sexless. That's been said by himself. He is just getting a payday from netflix. that's the only reason Lucifer is a woman here.
Lucifer was played by a female but wasn't a female in the show Lucifer was literally called SIRE in the show Neil talked about Angels being genderless as in they don't have a specific gender , In a tweet he said that Gwendoline's Lucifer has He/They pronouns which is correct through out the comics . And every pronoun in the comic was used depending on the myth Neil was aiming for and that's why Lucifer was referred to as He , add to that the spin off comics weren't written by Neil so Lucifer becoming a father or uncle was Mike's idea not Neil's Gwendoline is playing Lucifer because she looks like the character's first cover appearance and first comic appearance and has the androgynous appearance david bowie had back in the day and she's an incredible actress who nailed the part
@@JSTmore no. Lucifer doesn’t look like her in the first appearance. I’ve read it. They look nothing alike apart from perhaps 1 picture where it’s somewhat similar. And in the show he consistently had He/him pronoun. Not “they”. They was used for when he was with others in the comics, to refer to the group. And no, in the comics he doesn’t look androgynous. And while you can say he was “sexless” in the comics, he only ever appeared as a male, and only ever was referred to in male pronoun and just like in the Bible was made “from” the masculine. So although it’s true they Don’t have a “specific sex”, they are still all made to be masculine. Also about her performance? It really wasn’t good. She doesn’t feel powerful enough as she is short, a woman and has a very light voice. It simply doesn’t fit the role. Not to mention they made Lucifer lose to Dream instead of the demon, who should have lost to dream. Which is a huge difference from comics.
@@H4CKP4CK yea im tired of people bringing this whole thing up. yes it was based on the bible characters but as all artists do gaiman changed things. in this lucifer just ups and leaves hell and god gets other angles to rule. that is not in the bible. this whole argument is repetitive and idiodic.
@@arthuroliveirasouza4714 the problem is the ideology, if you want yo be like that is ok, but dont force others to believe in that rubbish, like if were ok to be like that, specially children
Great story, great actor: so it´s good, dumb.If the 2 things are positive, the work its good, dear dumb peter griffin. This show, like the comic, it´s not for reactionaries, that you is probably. The show it´s a frame by frame from the comic, and every fan loved.
Lucifer has been trapped on this earth since before humans. His goal is to be worshipped as God by all the people of the earth. He has two main points of contention with God. 1. you don't need the law to be righteous. 2. you don't die. He has positioned several tools to accomplish his goal. 1. condition people to worship money, then put his face on the money. With the writing "in God we trust" 2. build prophecies about himself in every religion. Jesus can not return until Satan is revealed for who he is. A pretender God. Satan is a murderer, liar, musician, wise, beautiful, prideful, ruthless, and hypnotizing. Remember the catch 22. God did not kill Satan. So if he claims to be God, and you call him Satan... martyrs will reveal him.
I was dissapointed by the casting. I thought for sure they would have casted someone with beautiful androgynous features, rather than the actress. She's a great actress, sure, but really fell short of what the most "beautiful, most powerful angel" there is.
Lucifer kills Superman with s snap, I mean yeah Superman is strong compared to other beings but Lucifer is the second strongest character in the DC universe
The people of today think fast and dumb have good dialogue but think that SANDMAN have bad dialogue. If this a bad dialogue for you, i think you dont like anything, dear dumb
I like how Morpheus acknowledges Lucifer is the strongest being in the universe considering even in the comics he’s damn right powerful .
The second most powerful
They forgot about his brother apparently. Michael is just as if not more powerful
@@ChaChaDubs Well he used the word "perhaps" so maybe, meybe not
@@ChaChaDubs Morpheus says that Lucifer is the most powerful very clearly in the comics. Lucifer even fought Michael in his own series and he won.
@Miki rin I wasn’t referring to the show.
Something about his voice and tone is very very calming...
u r gay
I think he sounds boring
When an aspect of existence can confidently proclaim that your power is superior to theirs you know its for real.
I really liked the play of words here-" The Morningstar?We have to spend the night in this literally godforsaken- Lucifer Morningstar".
If it was Tom Ellis lucifer then I highly doubt we would have gotten the battle he's to nice of a devil and now he's a therapist to help people get out of hell
🤣
In sandman comics Lucifer was first like this .
This actress is more similar to comics I rather her
🤣🤣🤣
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For those who are thinking it's the same Lucifer, it's not both Shows are not of the same cannon.
But there was an idea to bring Tom back into the role but they decided to keep them both separate so they could do there own spin on it.
That’s interesting. It seems Tom would fit so well here
Maybe not the Original Tom but maybe a Variant with different past ...
@@kalvin187douglasAs a pathetic joke character. He needs to be serious and cold as well as have the features from the comic like the blond hair and no facial hair.
@@kalvin187douglas how, exactly? For starters, he ain't even close to being the "most powerful of all creations" as said here. Morpheus would be able to deal with him pretty easily in season 2 unlike Brienne of Tarth Satan who will be an actual problem to him and also there's the more obvious problem: He simply isn't what this show needs for a Lucifer. The Lucifer show took way too many creative liberties to the point where their Lucifer is neither DC's Lucifer nor the actual Devil from abrahamic religions. He's a original take, in which he's just a fallen angel who made a mistake, got extremely punished for it and then got scapegoated by humanity as evil incarnate and the ultimate beast when he's actually very far from being all that. This show actually wanted to make an adaptation of DC/Vertigo's Lucifer Morningstar, unlike the Fox show, who just wanted to make a procedural buddy-cop comedy with the Devil as a cop but for some reason they decided to make it out of DC's Lucifer when they could easily have done the entire show as it's own thing by simply taking away the Vertigo names like Mazikeen, Amenadiel, Silver City, etc and it would have remained the same show except that Lucifer wouldn't have had that cameo on the CW crossover. It'd have been the same show and they wouldn't have had to pay royalties to DC/Warner for technically using their characters and stories even though they weren't. Not really.
@@justsomeone1555 I'm thinking that their concept was just close enough that they got the rights "Just in case". But I'd have assumed Tom would have played the Sandman version and it would have contrasted with the hero Lucifer from the show.
Dialogue straight from the pages. Love it
but show is woke propaganda
@@Archonsx well thats how the books were written
@ Archons “wOkE” get some new material or find the 🥜 you left in your first cousin’s mouth and just say what’s really making you mad. You’re mad the cast has Black ppl in it. You better buckle up and get used to all this #BlackExcellence gracing your screen bc our buying power has been established. Gwendolyn C has a permanent place of honor at the cookout so she counts as one of us. Stay mad 😂
@@Archonsx 1. the book itself was woke for its time, and 2. We don’t actually give two fuck rather it is woke or not if it is actually good, the problem with most of those other shit is, all they are is woke, but everything about them are shit,
@@rickymorphew2245 no it wasn’t. The comics are far from woke propagande. Lucifer was a Man, Constantine was a man, no discussion of politics, just focus on story telling.
This was a great show,
And no Tom wouldn’t have worked here, they’ve change lucifer way too much from canon to have it fit anywhere plot relevant, the best we could have ever gotten was the cameo in crisis
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Hate Does Actually Make Us Stronger.
*CinemaSins -BOOKS DON'T FREAKING MATTER*
*Th3Birdman- YES, THEY FREAKING DO*
I have no issue with well-reasoned criticism. But using the word "woke" lets me know you wear your head for decoration, not for thinking. - Th3Birdman
Imagine Tom Ellis give an entrance and said oh hello !
Not this : hello there
Oh hello there looks like we have an imposter on our hands detective"
Linda: "I can't believe, there are now two Lucifers? (Chuckles nervously) Nope, I'm done."
Who the hell is tem ellis?
@@justicedemocrat9357 Tom Ellis not Tem Ellis is the actor who plays lucifer in the netflix show lucifer
-Lucifer morningstar.
-Like the devil?
OMG, flasback to the first episode of Lucifer
Hfkdidjeiejdjejeje that was great
Don't we love it that they literally chose Gwendoline Christie to be the most beautiful and wisest angel 😌
no
She has the height for THE Angel Morningstar
Great foreshadowing!!! Also the visual effects of Hell really add to the image of Lucifer
Tom Ellis lucifer is awesome "I'm the devil of my word" full goosebumps
Love the subtle and clear lore
Matthew: A friend of mine came here. My ex was cast down wrongly, and he fought his way to get her back.
Morpheus: He is a warrior?
Matthew: No, a big vegetable. I mean, really big.
Loved this show ,awesome production, great cast ,as in really great actors..top production..
CANCELLED.
@@thunberbolttwo3953
What ? Was renewed, dumb.
not true@@thunberbolttwo3953
It is often asked in what way an individual being, like Lucifer is more powerful than a "fundamental aspect of existence" like an Endless. It's about frame of reference. What makes the Endless "endless" is that they are a universal concept. They are "bigger" than any one entity, even a cosmic entity, even a god. They are however like gravity - weak at any one point compared to the scope of their reach.
Lucifer could "destroy" Dream, as we the viewer see Dream. But Dream is only a manifestation of an infinite idea. As seen in comics, there are many instances of Dream, each seen differently by beings across the universe. Lucifer could not destroy the idea of Dream.
He literally could tho. It would mean the end of the universe, but Lucifer could destroy the concept of dream, since he is the reason concepts even exist. We've seen him destroy conceptual beings in the comics.
The Endless are literally a byproduct of Lucifer and Michael creating the multiverse. Lucifer is quite literally their creator.
Tom Ellis ❤️ Greatly work on Lucifer Morningstar Charector
He's talking about comics Lucifer, not the weak one
@@SexLuthor that's I knew I am sharing filling About Tom Ellis 😐
@@SexLuthor it’s still the same character they just had him hold back a lot of his abilities cause otherwise there wouldn’t be 6 seasons of Lucifer and it be less memorable if they have him use all his power in a series
@@chintzychinchin761 that's because in the comics as well, Lucifer doesn't use his powers that much or even in battle because he mostly uses his brain,
@@SexLuthor Even if he used his powers the tom version of Lucifer is really weak compared to this one, he couldn’t even smash an iron door
those boots are beautiful.
When it comes to Life after Death theory I would LOVE to emulate how it happened to Matthew here with my own in every detail. I could get used to being a watchful lapdog flying from Dream World to the waking world or any other world for that matter
Sandman reminds me of the lead singer of the Cure.
People who keep saying the Tom Ellis version wouldn't work are forgetting that this show is a literal prequel to the Lucifer show, timeline wise. Tom doesn't become a goofball until he abdicates the throne in hell. He'd have likely played this earlier version of Lucifer more seriously. (this one hasn't left hell yet but hints at doing so in her final scene)
They are walking through the Wood of the Self-Murderers
Nice 😊
Would've been nice seeing Johnny boy Constantine in this scene
why?
Death was the most memorable character
When the Batman found out his only friend is Bella and a talking crow...alright 🤣
I have a feeling Lucifer will, at some point, grow her horns out of those loops in her hair.
Which episode
anyone else just constantly crack up over his emo demeanor and hair?
It’s not just a phase dad!
@@jfloes90 it's a way of life!
Reminds me of Paddington station circa 1985
@@jfloes90 which is hilarious, Dream's dad is Father time, and he never has time for his kids cause he always working.
Is this part of the same continuity as the show Lucifer, or a different dimension?>
This is a different thing entirely. It's based on DC/Vertigo comics Sandman. Lucifer is more true to the actual source material in this show
Is this connected to the Lucifer series? Or atleast to some aspect of the comics?
This is the adaptation of sandman on netflix, the comic where Lucifer made first appearace and later won his own spin off comic.
which episode is this
Season 1 episode 4.
I don't know why people seem to think dream is more powerful than lucifer he says it right here that lucifer is more powerful than him by far
Wait, Michael Demiurgos is not as strong as Lucifer too? They're both on equal power, only below The Presence(God).
It is a matter of perspective. Lucifer is more powerful in his own power. Michael holds the divine spark for God, which is technically not his own power and would be weaker than Lucifer without it. Even with it, they are pretty tied, as Michael could not unleash the spark without resetting reality.
Lucifer is more powerful. It's been flat out stated a couple of times in comics
Which movie?
Sandman show from Netflix. 11 episodes.
Eposode?
???
Episode -4
@@swapniltyagi6563 what's the name of the series or movie bro?
Those who are confused about gender of Lucifer because here Lucifer is shown as a female but in Lucifer series (Tom Ellis) he is a man. The truth is angels don't have any gender... They are genderless and beautiful (beautiful in case of angels) and yes Lucifer (as a devil) is genderless and ugly but was one of the most beautiful angels when he was Samael (angel).
The reality of "Lucifer Series" is They had to make Lucifer a handsome young man just for the show 😂😂 the reality is lil bit different.
"Lucifer" is Lucifer's redemption arc.
I love when people are writing 'in reality' about a comic and it's adaptation !
Read the Bible they are all male and they refer to the devil as he/him he is the father of all lies so clearly he is a male.
@@There_Is_No_War_In_Ba_Sing_Se Is this also true in the original texts?
he is also a man in the comics not just the lucifer series
Series name
The sandman, adaptation of the greatest comic epic. On netflix. It´s a great show.
@@arthursouza9641 Dont listen to this guy its not a good show. Its an absolute dumpster fire of a series.
@@white_rabbit_foot2816
Its a very faithful adaptation from the comic, dumber. How this disapoiting ?
I hate that they never mention Michael Demiurgos in any of The Sandman stories and he is Lucifer’s brother and slightly more powerful than even him
Not true
@@Coolmoneyjp22 very true , look in the comics michael toys with lucifer.
@@miteamihai1132 lol no. Lucifer killed Michael Demiurgos in YGGDRASIL.
@@isaaccortes6082 Michael let him
@@manuel1654088Nope. Lucifer was possessed by Fenris wolf and Fenris used the last of Lucifer’s power to blast Michael. Michael then gave his demiurgic power to Elaine.
I so wanted Tom Ellis to make a cameo in this episode
Forget the unfaithful version of Ellis. This is a faithful adaptation.
Episode
Season 1 episode 4.
How weird I thought Michael was stronger
Not In the comics micheals the 3rd
@Miki rin u can put either or but if u look it up and check the comics they tell you lucifer gets the edge
@Miki rin then u haven't read because it tells u they're basically even but Samiel gets the nod
@Miki rin lucifer also has the power to create and destroy universe
@Miki rin Wrong. Lucifer is more powerful and he technically hard counters Michael. If Michael even tried to use the Demiurge against Lucifer, he'd just manipulate that energy. Lucifer has done it before, twice.
There is only one Lucifer Morningstar... The badass angry Tom.. there is no replacement
There is
@@Darky_Shadow I beg to differ
@@Darky_Shadow There is not
@@elite69 Yes there is. He’s right.. have you seen the Sandman? The Lucifer is not Tom ellis! The actress is Gwendoline Christie. Watch the show
@@BrockLesnar-sw7sh Watch the show, Genius. Darkshadow is right
How can Lucifer be more powerful than him if she isn’t an eternal?
Because in the Sandman universe Lucifer is literally the one who shaped the universe under the guide of the Presence (God), together with his brother Michael. Lucifer is above the Eternals, he was there before them. Lucifer is literally the pure manifestation of the will of God and therefore he has near absolute power on all aspects of reality. Lucifer's limitation is that he is unable to create from nothing, that is the power of his brother Michael, but otherwise he can manipulate both time, space and matter to his absolute will, with only God himself able to negate Lucifer's powers
@@mattiaboscherini4001 How can there be a God when in this universe, gods need humans who believe in them to exist?
@@Midnight.Creepypastas the Presence is the only exception, as the true Creator of the Universe.
Its like, the Presence is God with a capital G, the Creator of everything. It is above everything else, Endless included as he is also the one behind their existence (for example, the book of Destiny is basically directly written by the Presence). The other gods are instead born from the beliefs of mortals. They are born inside the Dreaming itself in fact, and fade away when people stop worshipping them. The Endless are the children of 2 other entities, Time and Night, and are above the lower gods, but below the Presence, Lucifer and Michael
@@mikirin363 are you sure of that? The Presence to my knowledge was always presented as being very much above the Eternals and is the creator of DC multiverse (also known as the Source). He is also the one empowering the Spectre for example, though indirectly. (btw, am not religious, I'm simply talking about how the comic works)
One double: Here Lucifer is a Woman , but in actual series He is a Men ?.....
Sorry, but I'm just confused...
Angels don’t have gender, Lucifer is represented as androgynous here
He can manifest his own self image, shape shift and pretty much transform anything into something else . They could easily portrait him as anyone without much context also dream can have a different appearance for different people
That's because the directors and the industry want to please this generation tiktok kids and "woMeN EmPowERmeNT" that is why Lucifer is a women and death is a black women which isn't real
Angels are Androgynous. They are smooth man and Woman are a human trait copied from us. Angels however are smooth down below.
@@hushepsilon8112 in comics his brother has a kid . In the bible they have children as well , they are described either as a sort of chimera or a mechanical contraption with fire they can appear as human if they want . That's why angels in anime/manga have something to do with machines , numbers or chimeras since they sometimes chose to ignore the western blonde androgynous angel
Man I’ve always been interested in the Vertigo and Sandman universe(I’ve never read the comics yet), but this show seems bland and witless, maybe it just sounds corny with actual actors maybe it feels better in the pages
The show of sandman it´s great .
Reasons:it´s an almost page by page adaptation with some modifications with scenes and character arcs, but in very general, very very faithful Like watchmen movie.
Reason 2: The actors are good in this, i don´t understand your comment.
Reason 3: It´s not a cheap show, only first season haved a 165 million dollar budget and you could see that in the great effects and cinematography, and the other technical aspects.
lmao
Nothing bland or witless about the show.
The books are better, but only by a little.
he was the most beautiful, the wisest and the most powerful... but then Netflix turned him into Gwendoline Christie...
Because it´s a more accurate version to the comic, dumb.
Why is Lucifer a girl
Can't they make it more comic book accurate including death
Lucifer is actually kind of genderless in this adaptation. Also sexless.
@@Sardonac they did a good job but I really would like to see a more comic book accurate characters like dream and Azazel
Lucifer was never the most powerful and wisest angel
It's line from fucking comics itself
He is in DC Comics
It's dc comics bozo
0:52 Not Biblically accurate tho. Not even accurate by Jewsish texts. Cos the Arch angels are only Secondary level guardians. Beyond them there are angels in Bible describes stronger than Lucifier and Micheal. Lucifer no strong than Micheal, nor wise. Only these illuminatis describing him as such. He just gathered angels who hate men becoming theri master under God's name so he rebeled against the God himself. To God we humans were meant to rule all creation including these Angels. And Lucifer don't like it. If I were a Christian I'd rather trust God than angels and demons. They're supreme. Neither Lucifer. He's just a spoiled brat to me that's it.
nobody said it was supposed to be accurate to the bible. in the comics the actual religious histories get thrown right out the window. in dc Norse mythology is real Christianity is real and pretty much every religions god is real,
@@rickymorphew2245ven then I hear both lusifer and Michele are essentially equals
That the only reason lusifer lost is because he lost most of his divine power when he rebelled or Michele was amped by God
Either way God either made lusifer weaker or Michele stronger for one to beat the other
Why did they make Lucifer a woman when he is a man through out all comics? And don't say angels are sexless, when he was constantly referred to as "he", "him", "son", "Brother", "uncle", "Mr" etc. Also if angles were sexless, how did his BROTHER, become a FATHER?
And why is Lucifers Sisters, always referred to as female?
And yes i know Neil tried to say they are sexless, but that's 40 years later after he made the characters, and when he did make the characters he didn't think of them a sexless. That's been said by himself.
He is just getting a payday from netflix. that's the only reason Lucifer is a woman here.
Lucifer was played by a female but wasn't a female in the show
Lucifer was literally called SIRE in the show
Neil talked about Angels being genderless as in they don't have a specific gender , In a tweet he said that Gwendoline's Lucifer has He/They pronouns which is correct through out the comics . And every pronoun in the comic was used depending on the myth Neil was aiming for and that's why Lucifer was referred to as He , add to that the spin off comics weren't written by Neil so Lucifer becoming a father or uncle was Mike's idea not Neil's
Gwendoline is playing Lucifer because she looks like the character's first cover appearance and first comic appearance and has the androgynous appearance david bowie had back in the day and she's an incredible actress who nailed the part
@@JSTmore no. Lucifer doesn’t look like her in the first appearance. I’ve read it. They look nothing alike apart from perhaps 1 picture where it’s somewhat similar. And in the show he consistently had He/him pronoun. Not “they”. They was used for when he was with others in the comics, to refer to the group. And no, in the comics he doesn’t look androgynous.
And while you can say he was “sexless” in the comics, he only ever appeared as a male, and only ever was referred to in male pronoun and just like in the Bible was made “from” the masculine.
So although it’s true they Don’t have a “specific sex”, they are still all made to be masculine.
Also about her performance? It really wasn’t good. She doesn’t feel powerful enough as she is short, a woman and has a very light voice.
It simply doesn’t fit the role. Not to mention they made Lucifer lose to Dream instead of the demon, who should have lost to dream. Which is a huge difference from comics.
@@JSTmore and he not only did this in Sandman but also in Good Omens with actress Doon Mackichan playing Micheal
If they hire Tom as Lucifer then everyone will be focused on him and this show is about sandman so they want every attention on him
@@urvilpanchal2893 that makes sense, but at least hire a male actor for Lucifer, not an actress.
Most powerful of all Angels..??? NOPE... Michael beat his A$$ like he was a punk.
its lucifer from dc comics not the bible
@@H4CKP4CK Where the "F" you think they got the whole idea from...?? JFCYS
@@Eric_Von_Yesselstyn its still on the dc comics not the bible
@@H4CKP4CK Yawn...
@@H4CKP4CK yea im tired of people bringing this whole thing up. yes it was based on the bible characters but as all artists do gaiman changed things. in this lucifer just ups and leaves hell and god gets other angles to rule. that is not in the bible. this whole argument is repetitive and idiodic.
falsi attori
Tom ellis should have played this role
Ellis is a clown unfaithful version. This a more faithful adaptation from the comic. Dumb non Reader.
Why? The lucifer show is VERY LOOSELY based on this universe. It would only cause confusion
@@arthuroliveirasouza4714wtf
Not really
Who is Cristianity because is most archangel? 😳
Is angel name “Christianity”!.
Wtf
Booooooring
Those people are from the 'everYOnE iS gAy or WoMaN aND tHeRE ArE nO acTION ScENES' department.
gay
Whats the problem.
@@arthuroliveirasouza4714 the problem is the ideology, if you want yo be like that is ok, but dont force others to believe in that rubbish, like if were ok to be like that, specially children
@@josecasasferrerThe comic from 30 years ago is portrayed very similar to this.
@@josecasasferrernobody is forcing you to do anything😂 it's based on a comic book that was made when you were a child
#NotMyLucifer
#thelucifershowsucks
This show was such a disappointment. Great story, great actor, 90% about virtue signaling rather than focusing on making a good show.
Great story, great actor: so it´s good, dumb.If the 2 things are positive, the work its good, dear dumb peter griffin.
This show, like the comic, it´s not for reactionaries, that you is probably. The show it´s a frame by frame from the comic, and every fan loved.
Lucifer has been trapped on this earth since before humans.
His goal is to be worshipped as God by all the people of the earth.
He has two main points of contention with God.
1. you don't need the law to be righteous.
2. you don't die.
He has positioned several tools to accomplish his goal.
1. condition people to worship money, then put his face on the money. With the writing "in God we trust"
2. build prophecies about himself in every religion.
Jesus can not return until Satan is revealed for who he is. A pretender God.
Satan is a murderer, liar, musician, wise, beautiful, prideful, ruthless, and hypnotizing.
Remember the catch 22. God did not kill Satan. So if he claims to be God, and you call him Satan... martyrs will reveal him.
Murderer? I know that according to bible, God has killed millions of people. How many people Satan has killed?
are you okay?
Huh? What does this have to do with the Sandman?
Someone forgot to take the pills, it seems.
It's based on a comic book bozo. Not your beloved Bible
I was dissapointed by the casting. I thought for sure they would have casted someone with beautiful androgynous features, rather than the actress. She's a great actress, sure, but really fell short of what the most "beautiful, most powerful angel" there is.
I mean he's strong but superman could kick his ass.
2 out of 3, Superman loses to Darkseid.
Darkseid still has one foot in the material world.
Lol superman isn't defeating the devil.
Can he beat goli though
Lucifer kills Superman with s snap, I mean yeah Superman is strong compared to other beings but Lucifer is the second strongest character in the DC universe
Spoken with true ignorance. Well done kid
Never realized how terrible and hammy the dialog was in Sandman.
The people of today think fast and dumb have good dialogue but think that SANDMAN have bad dialogue. If this a bad dialogue for you, i think you dont like anything, dear dumb
@@arthursouza9641 I thought I told you to shut up, dummy?
@@Valhalla13375
Ok uncultured hillbilly.
How is this an example of hammy dialogue? It´s written by Neil Gaiman himself.
@@Alexander-kc8oq Exactly.
Which episode
1+4 “hope in hell” ❤
@@chloenorman5476 thanks bro