Jim Cornette on The First Time He Met Bret Hart
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- From Episode 257 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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My uncle was a firefighter in Calgary and knew Keith Hart. He told me how he had told Keith that I was the biggest Bret Hart fan in the world. A week later, an autographed picture of Bret Hart arrived in the mail to Toronto where I lived. I knew it was really from Bret too because it had his signature three vertical dots after signing his name that I had caught in a documentary. I still don't know exactly how it all happened, but I always thought that was just super cool of Keith to coordinate, for Bret to bother signing, and for my uncle to surprise me in the mail.
Great story! Thank you for sharing it. For all the personal troubles Bret went through it seems he always truly cared for his fans no matter what.
That’s awesome and heartwarming. Bret is a diamond in the often dirty wrestling business.
Lol, Corny seems to always have the funniest stories involving the Harts.
"Eh, he's Canadian." 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bret is by far the best to ever throw a punch, headbutt, kick in the game - watch any of his matches everything looks legit real. Some of these guys who call themselves stars today are like too kids pretending to hit throwing fake ass haymakers (yes moxley you) bret was the guy that made everything look 100% real and gripped an entire generation whether you cheered for him or against he’s the guy that made michaels, Austin etc look even better than they already were…they were class but having bret to work with made their matches legendary.
100%...
Very well said. Bret's punches were absolutely beautiful.
@@HANGRYJIMLODLIFEALWAYSLOD his leg drops looked like they'd do some serious damage
RAZOR threw the best punch..... hands down.
Literally everything he did looked smooth and believable, and he never hurt anyone despite making it look like he was genuinely killing them with everything. You can see the difference when people like CM Punk try to wrestle a "Bret Hart" match. No one looks as crisp. No one looks as legitimate. No one looks as smooth. He did it seamlessly and told the best stories in the ring.
Bret is better than Kenny Omega. 😊
Anyone who says otherwise is beyond saving
Lol Bret is galaxies better that mcfingerbang...
No shit XD
@@crteuber3771 you’d be surprised how many ppl that statement would piss off.
Bret’s in his 60’s and he’s still better than Omega!
I always love that story. It really is a shame we never got Midnights vs Harts.
Listen Steve MArtin...... we know it ..you know it...peace..and great poems buddy...
Fans can DREAM...like Foley said "You can take away my wrestling but mom didnt say i couldnt dream"
In addition to Calgary, Japan, and the WWF, Bret also worked a couple of months in Puerto Rico in 1978, a few shots in Amarillo that same year, two months in Georgia in 1979, a tour of Germany and the UK, and Toronto in the early '80s.
I'm sure I caught Bret on World of Sport in the 80's here in the UK.
I could listen to Jim tell Hart family stories all years long.
YES PLEASE! Having Jim read thru a wrestling biography or autobiography, marking interesting sections, and having a show dedicated to Jim reflecting on parts of the book he found interesting or incorrect could be a helluva show. #1 would have to be Mick's
Or Rick's...lol it rhymes 🤣
Or Bob Holly's. Genuinely one of the best and most honest autobiographies out there.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but Chyna’s might be worth another look in light of recent events. Was Agent Orange’s identity ever confirmed?
Brets is best.
Both of Mick Foley’s first two books are great, Jericho’s first two books were great, and Bret’s book was great. Picking one is tough.
Please share more Bret Hart stories
Bret worked more territories than just Calgary, Japan, and New York. He worked Georgia Championship Wrestling, WWC in Puerto Rico, CWA in Germany, he worked for Rickard in New Zealand, World Of Sport in the UK, and Maple Leaf Wrestling in Toronto. As such an eminent historian you'd think Jim would know that.
While I agree with your statement, Jim makes it pretty obvious that he specializes specifically in American wrestling history and only knows a bit about everywhere else.
yeah, that is ridiculous.
Eaton vs Brett would be something to see ! Wow !
Brets book was great. My favorite book is still Chris Jerichos first book. That book was hilarious and filled with good stories
Foley #1 / Bret / Jericho #1 are the top three for me. Lots of other good ones though.
HBK/Doink story 😂
Also as a west Canadian in the 1970's it would be rare for for Bret to see any other wrestling. He was also known to always be home when he wasn't on the road, so catching wrestling on the road would be quite difficult. So when Vince took WWE national in the 80's that's all Calgary would be able to see.
There was tiomko and Portland. And
Came here to add this exactly. Good job!
Don’t forget jimmy hart vs Jim cornette the mayhem , insane heat and promos that could have went on . Would have been legendary
Great point.
@@Yaz-pn9py thanks it’s the truth. Think about it. Promos, heat the works.
....,.
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2:53 Owen was honorable,he was a notorious ribber but never a hater.
Bobby and Bret going at it in their prime would have been the ultimate standing room only at the monitor match. Such a tragedy we never got to see it.
Ok, I know how Jim feels about managers for baby faces, but I've seen Jimmy Hart do it successfully. Imagine the Hart Foundation with Bulldog or Owen added, with Jimmy Hart, vs The Midnights, all three with Cornette managing them. It could have been truly epic!
when did Jimmy Hart have success with a babyface other than the weird relationship with Hulk Hogan?
@@Clubber-Slang you obviously thought it was weird. Many didn't. And obviously more agree with me than don't regarding a Hart Foundation/ Midnight Feud. So I don't give a fuck if you didn't like Hogan and Beefcake with Hart. Not the point.
@@jasonstinebaugh8447 I asked when except with Hogan did Jimmy hart have success eith babyfaces and you didn't give an answer. It was also Hogan's least popular period of his career. So I'm still waiting for all this success that came from Jimmy Hart as manager of babyfaces. The matches would've been awesome, even if they were both heel teams and you obviously "give a fuck" or you wouldn't respond.
Bret also had wrestled in Georgia:) ego or not Corny should respect that book more, many pages indeed!
A Heel Bret Hart(1997 Version) and Jim Cornette in a stable would have been money..
BRET is on everyone’s Mount Rushmore 🏆
First Shawn in San Antonio (lazy booking video) now Jon M in Cincinatti. Coincidence? Maybe, but if he starts getting emails from Dwayne in Miami, Paul in Greenwich, Steve in Victoria etc. then this is a genius idea!
I am a huge fan of Cornette, but that is ridiculous. I read tons of wrestling books and Bret's book was among the best I have ever read. Heck Cornette himself called it encyclopedic in another video. Bret was the excellence of execution and wrestled in tons of places. to say he only knew to do a dynamite kid style and had no clue about the wrestling world is beyond ridiculous.
Yeah, he's just doing it for clicks at this point.
Sorry but I disagree with Cornette on this one. Whenever I watched a Bret Hart match I never thought of the Dynamite Kid.
Both had their own style and Bret wasn't a high flyer like Dynamite either and tended to stay on the mat. Granted, I have watched many more Bret Hart matches than Dynamite but the more accurate comparison to Dynamite is Chris Benoit.
Would love to see Corny interview Bret covering wrestling from the 80s and there are points of view on current wrestling.
wow I wasn't born till 87' and I'm glued this is great stuff guys.
prepare to watch the sun rise with Jim Cornette lol
@@xenaluck 💯😂
I do like hearing the rare story i havent heard yet. I wish corny clips could be broke down to show reviews, old stories, and life updates. I hate having to search through thousands of clips to find a story i havent heard lol
British Bulldogs v. Midnight Express would've been good too.
Jim is reaching here with his hart comment.
Everyone has their move set, but Flair does have basicly the same match every night.
Hart doesn't have the same match with a 123 kid that he would with Kevin Nash.
Yes! There's a huge difference with having maybe 4 or 5 moves that lead into your finish and an entire script for the match that you do.
@@AlbertonBeastmaster Yes also it's not the move set that makes the match and what Bret was talking about with Flair. It was the repeated formula of face on offense, then heel dominates, face gets a hope spot before heel uses underhand tactic(usually a low blow), heel goes back on offense before the hot finish. Bret would mix it up, yeah he would close with his moves of doom but even then it wasn't always the end of the match. He would get cut off sometimes before closing the match with something different.
No one can say that Bret stole his style from Dynamite Kid. They were two distinct different styles. If anything, you could say he stole from Leo Burke, who was a big name in wrestling in the Canadian maritimes.
GRAND PRIX!!!!!
I mean the more realistic style should be a Stu Hart hallmark given he was both an Olympic level amateur wrestler and was taught by legit shooters from when matches were real grappling events like modern day submission wrestling (ADCC, NAGA, no-gi bjj, etc.). Bret being trained by his dad should mean that some of that old school realism from the grappling aspect would be a foundation for overall realism even if some other wrestlers did influence Bret.
I remember thinking "I like this guy. He has an 'I don't give a F__k' attitude" the first time I saw Bret wrestle in WWF.
I started liking Bret Hart in the mid 1990s and was like *"This Dude is Badass"* I'm even a bigger fan now..
Dynamite is the patient zero for modern wrestling.
The Dynamite Kid definitely influenced Chris Benoit style wise.. even more than Brett. Kinda surprised no one mentioned that.
is there ANYONE bigger/better than Jim Cornette, right now in all of wrestling? I feel like this channel is absolute GOLD. And, I'm a guy who hasn't watched professional wrestling since I was 12 (circa 2001).
I honestly don’t know what would’ve been the better match; Bret Hart vs Kurt Angle, or Bret Hart vs Eddie Guerrero.
Probably Eddie cause he was more of an entertainer. Kurt was absolute business in the ring, one of the goats for sure.
The answer is yes
Bret Hart vs Bryan Danielson
Bret vs Angle would probably have looked like Bret vs Benoit and Bret vs Eddie would probably have looked like Bret vs Booker T.
🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌Never thought of Hart vs Eddie 😲😲😲🍿
Midnights vs Bulldogs wouldve been cool too . But A series with The Hart Foundation couldve been excellent
If I remember right the first time he told that story and they discussed the dream matches Jim said the bulldogs, with Dynamite from Calgary, more than Hart Foundation
Bulldogs were very innovative at that time! Strength and speed combined!!
Arco Arena was in Sacramento. The Cow Palace, which still exists, was where events in San Francisco used to be held, although the building is just outside the city and county limits of SF. SFO Airport is also outside of San Francisco, for the record.
The Midnite Express were good, but the best team in wrestling at that time is a tie between the Hart Foundation & The British Bulldogs.
Two of the biggest mouths Jim Cornette & The Midnight Express and Jimmy Hart & The Hart Foundation two of the best in 1986 would've blown the roof off.
Absolutely. What a match that would have been.
an all heel program. Have to take place in Philly or Baltimore lol
That or a face vs face match between The Rockers and Rock N' Roll Express.
I was a Stampede kid,at the Agricom every weekend,watching WWF every week. Every other territory were just black and white pictures in the magazines,if you wanted to see WCW you had to get satellite or a VHS penpal.
Bret did not have the same match. He just had the same set up for a finisher. 5 moves of doom.
Exactly same moves but different match where is Jim s idol flair literally had the same match no matter the opponent.
@@popularzbie9761 Flair had a different match up until the finish too lol
Corny is wrong in one aspect. Flair did the same MATCH. Bret did the same series of moves. Big difference. Bret was WAY more innovative than Ric Flair. Not even close.
Indeed. and that isn't the only thing he was wrong in in that clip. I am a huge fan of Cornette too, but what he says here is ridiculous. I read tons of wrestling books and Bret's book was among the best I have ever read. Heck Cornette himself called it encyclopedic in another video. Bret was the excellence of execution and wrestled in tons of places. to say he only knew to do a dynamite kid style and had no clue about the wrestling world is beyond ridiculous.
It was also McMahon's preference that his guys did their signature moves every match. Especially later in his career it was often reverse atomic drop, flying elbow off the second rope, sharpshooter; but if you look at his whole career, you'll see that Bret also liked to do creative reversal and rollup finishes and tried to have varied matches depending on his opponent.
@@jasonbink5276 From 97 onwards his style was passe! Sharpshooter or schoolboys were old and played out! He needed that Heel turn and more importantly another Finisher
Can't wait to hear about Jim's thoughts on the Punk's promo on Hangman and Moxley.
Nobody watches that garbage
The story of Owen dropping his older brother a peg or two by telling him the Express was better than the Foundation always kills me. RIP Owen Hart.
Bret knew about every wrestling promotion except the south. He knew Japan, Europe,Canadian territories, he just did not know NWA
Bret wrestled for Georgia Championship Wrestling and USWA. They're in the South aren't they?
@@misterslats Not when he first met the Midnights and Cornette, he didn't wrestle in the USWA till they were trading talent with WWE
@@dazzle1933 correct.
Arco was in Sacramento. Maybe he means the Cow Palace?
Owen was probably ribbing you Jim Cornette 🤣. He knew who you were
I started watching WWF in 1987 (watched some Lutte Internationale/Montreal wrestling in the mid-70s) and Bret Hart's wife beater is the first merchandise I ever bought, and this was shortly after he started feuding with Bad News Brown. Even then i knew he was a badass...
Bret was truly a great Professional Wrestler
I wonder what Bret thought when he saw Jim again when Cornette joined the WWF in 92/93.
And Dynamite and Bret worked a lot together in Calgary
Did Bret Hart know who they were? Jim never made that clear.
No, the last time he told this story he said Bret had no idea who they were and was shocked with how friendly and how Anvil and Jimmy got on with Jim and the Midnight when the six of them went off together
Bret vs Mr perfect is fabulous and Mr perfect was injured
Personally, I loved their King of the Ring 1993 match the best. They were both baby, but Perfect was more heelish, and during an opening interview they got into a hilarious though brief "My dad could beat up your dad" spat! Great stuff!
@@Goldenbane I don't think I remember that one I need to go back
Stu Hart: “Bret, see that guy? *points to Cornette* Stretch him!”
Corny told this story on a shoot interview however that time he said they met in Los Angeles not San Francisco.
Dynamite style is UK style...I still remember watching world of sports on a Saturday morning here in England.. dynamite kid was only young but he was different...u could tell he was special even then
Lmao, it most definitely was not. 😂😂😂
Owen said no. It's them... That's great.
It would be an honor to meet Bret and talk wrestling
Rougeaus vs Midnight express would have also been good. They could work.
Might’ve even been fabulous, you might say
I’m not sure the Dynamite, Brett Hart comparison is fair or accurate. They both trained under Stu Hart so they were going to have some of the same moves on their skill set. Stylistically Dynamite was more known for his high flying moves and probably had more in common with Owen than Brett.
Bret said himself on interview that to him he isn’t the best there is, best there was, best there ever will be but In fact dynamite kid who deserves the title. So he definitely took a lot from him and Chris Benoit is practically a clone of dynamite as well it’s a technical style with some high flying just Bret only took the technical.
Bret was right Hart Foundation > Midnight Express
British Bulldogs > Hart Foundation. Jim is right on that
@@alexanderbakulin8836 agree to disagree...Bret Hart is a top 5 talent & could carry anyone like he did with Davey Boy in Summer Slam
@@classicretros23 Dynamite Kid was able to carry anyone into a good match. He did it numerous times with many guys, including the same Davey Boy and a young Bret Hart. Dynamite > Bret
@@alexanderbakulin8836 keep your dynamite kid he never reached the heights of the Hitman or Bulldog.
@@classicretros23 Bret Hart never reached the heights of Hulk Hogan, so what. Dynamite in his prime (early 80s) was a better wrestler than Bret ever was. Bret Hart himself considers Dynamite the best and the most influential wreslter in history
Bret to this day admits his exposure to NWA and Mid South wrestlers were limited as Calgary TV didn't get 80's wrestling unless WWF.
I think the Midnight's vs. the British Bulldog's would've been even better
Well it's not like Bret denied the influence of Dynamite Kid on him. Always Bret has show respect and admiration for Dynamite
I doubt Brock lesnar knows who FTR is or who any tag team in AEW for that matter
Good for him
Growing up in Edmonton Alberta Canada we dident know what wcw was as a kid because we dident have it on tv!!!... It was stampede wrestling and wwf. I remember my grandma getting digital cable and my cousin calling me telling me he was watching wcw Saturday night and that a ppv called uncensored and they have a giant cage match comming up or just happend. But before that we never seen anything wcw or Crockett related.....Also stampede wrestling was know as "real wrestling" not the fake stuff that wwf does.....my uncle would tell me that wwf is fake but stampede was the real thing they actually hit eachother lmfao
RIP Ben
@@xenaluck??
same in the Toronto area, it was all WWF. The only time I saw other wrestling promotions was in wrestling magazines or the sports section of the video store. It's a big reason why Rick Flair's WWF run wasn't as huge as they though it would be, a lot of kids who grew up on WWF and Hulk hogan didn't know who Flair was, or Dusty, or the 4 horseman.
Yeah dusty to me is the fat guy in polka dots tights with the black lady and the horsemen are flair Benoit melenko and mongo. Untill I got older and did my research. Most of my casual wrestling freinds can tell. U everything about wwf/wwe but couldent tell u nothing about wcw pre nwo. Then I remember we started getting nitro on Saturdays on our local global news channel and it was compressed to 1 hr
@@MrMoneyMFMitch yup, Dusty was the fat poka dot guy, and Flair was the old guy with man boobs that Bobby Heenan built up as the real worlds' champion. We were WWF kids, with no understanding of the NWA, the territories or wrestling history. For me it wasnt until around 2006ish, the local cable company had wwe on demand, where they showed wcw shows from the 80's and I saw the Dusty vs. 4 Horsman feud, and realized how big of stars those guys were to people in the south.
That’s not true. Bret went to Japan, Puerto Rico, Amarillo Texas to name a few. Bret always has a different match.
Bret was very induerated in the ring man had ZERO wasted movements
Am I the only one that remembers Brett Hart wrestling in Gorgia, back somewhere between 1980-1981?
He also worked for Bill Watts in Mid-South around then too. Seems me and you are the only ones to remember .
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Right!? Lol
Cheers
Also to the Americans who are gobsmacked that Brett Hart didn’t know who the midnight express were, aside from folks with a satellite dish it was the mid-90s before TBS was on most cable packages in Canada.
Owen was ribbing Jim
Still hurts to watch that spot Bret would do where he'd get reversed into the turnbuckle and run into it full speed from half way across the ring
Jim - (pointing to MX) - You're looking at the best tag team in the business.
Bret - No that's me and Jim.
Owen - No, Bret, it's them.
LOL. RIP Owen, you were the best.
😂😂😂 Yeah, right.
Awesome Shoot Today Jim!!😎🐐🐐
How in the world can anyone expect Bret to know who the Midnight Express was in 1986? He would have been constantly on the road. What, was he supposed to keep up with WCW on TBS? He would have been at the arena.
Especially considering in those days the roads people consider back roads these days were the roads back then, when you were lucky enough to fly you were on the first plane of the day and a lot of the times guys would just drop their bags in their hotel room before heading straight to the venue and Vince certainly wasn't gonna allow them to watch Jim Crocket shows in the locker room
not to mention that 1986 was the first year they were in WCW, so it wasn't like they were a long standing and established team there, they were newcomers.
First off no Bret Hart slander is acceptable 😁 I can't really say Midnight was better than the Harts. As a kid u pull for the good guys back then but reflecting to me the Hart Foundation with the technical guy and the muscle guy worked fluently. Bobby and Dennis were kinda the same wrestler to me. Stan had a little more flavor but they all were medium sizes 230 and under guys. U can't really say that either paired to either on the other team that Midnight was better. I know it's a team but still. Bret Hart my favorite wrestler of all time! When he went singles. That's when I caught up to his greatness 😁
Kenny Omega is no where near Bret hart at all he’s not even passed Chris Jericho
In Canada, we got 0 NWA stuff on TV.
Lmfao Owen tricked you Cornette 🤣🤣🤣 Bret knew who you were he just didn't care about you C list wrestlers
Hart Foundation vs British Bulldogs was the ultimate program, sorry midnights, that program was already taken.
I wonder if they got a WOMEN in San Fransisco 😉 Stan lane wanted a women he couldn't find a women.Only a lot men that looked like women!!
How amazing would Owen shoot interviews be these days. His version of that story was probably hilarious.
The hart foundation was better than the mid night express
Owen was right
When the hell did Crockett go to the west coast?
LOL, Dynamite tribute act 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I think Benoit was closer to a Dynamite tribute act than Bret. But yeah, crisp execution of each move. Definitely a Dynamite Kid signature
Jim Cornette knows more than Bret Hart about wrestling. I think someone has been reading their fan mail a little too often.
hold up. Arco is (was, they just demolished it) in Sac, no? Weren't flights into SAC always cheaper than SFO/ OAK? That's odd. oh well. interesting story.
I can think of a few Midnight Express dream matches..
Midnight vs Hart Foundation (obviously)
Midnight vs The British Bulldogs
Midnight vs The Rockers
To a lesser extent..
Midnight vs Strikeforce
Midnight vs Killer Bees
Midnight vs Rougeau Bros
Bret did have a trial in NWA against buzz sawyer so he knew who some were like Ole Anderson
Trial? 😂
After hearing that about Bret it makes me wonder if he knew who FTR was before meeting them at a convention. I can't remember if they were in NXT when Bret was there the couple appearances he made.
Cash Wheeler is the one that punched Bret's attacker at the 2019 hall of fame. I don't know if the convention you're referring to was before or after that. I've seen Bret mention several wrestlers and matches from WWE and TNA in interviews over the years, so he must watch at least some.
I gotta disagree that Bret always had the same match
I mean The King of Ring PPV he won alone disproves that, 3 different matches in the same night.
Flair (no offense to him, he's a huge star) really did just do the same thing 98% of his matches. That was his thing and it worked.
The match with Perfect was almost the same exact script as the Summer Slam match. ALL of the same exact spots...I was surprised that Bret put them both on his DVD years ago.
Depending when Jim got to Mid-south, he would have ran into Bret there, when Bret did a couple jobs on TV.
One day I will get to read probably one of the best book in wrestling and it will come form Jim. And I expect for it to be 2000 pages thick or at least 6 books because Jesus hell have some stories.
God I miss watching Owen Hart I really do, I loved him as the Rocket with his big yellow pants and his doing that sit drop flip off the tope rope to throw the opponent to the Matt
Then when he became the Black Hart was a heel turn it was it was glorious
Well enough is enough and it's time for a change - Owen Hart
@@kenrickeason You stole my thunder
Neidhart sounds like he was a real one.
As a boy who grew up in the 80s Bret wasnt the only one who didnt know who the Midnight Express was. Of course the Crockett fans did but Crockett was #2 and the Midnight Express were the second or third best tag team there. Kinda like Jurassic Express in a sense. You think they get bumrushed in Wal Mart? Of course not.
In the 80's I bet they did....in the South
ARCO Arena was in Sacramento.
Midnights would not have wrestled The Hart Foundation in '86.
Bret was such a mark for himself, getting angry because Owen didn't say he was part of the best tag team. Same as when he confronted Road Dogg because he was unhappy Dogg thought HBK was the better worker.
The guy is just proud of his accomplishments. It's a hard concept for a person like you to grasp, but try and get over what someone said nearly 40 years ago. 😂😂
@@Rjensen2 a person like me, when you know nothing about me. You sound like a bit of a mark for yourself 🙄
Also, there's being proud of your achievements and expecting/demanding that everyone consider you the best.
Hell yeah, an Arco Arena mention
That goes a little ways in explaining the differences in Owen and Bret's wrestling. Owen had been watching mores stuff for longer.
They also had very different styles. But JC is wrong, Bret wrestled all over the world even early in his career. He did the UK style at the time (no punches, back away from your opponent when they're on the mat, 3 minute rounds), and he wrestled around Europe, Japan... Owen favoured more of the high-flying style.