I remember my College days when I submitted a paper on micro uav back in 2014 in one of the best colleges in South India. I was rebuffed and ridiculed by the professor committee saying we didn't even have a proper design this is how new ideas are entertained in India how will we progress. Let's remember how bayraktar was built by its founder from using readily available parts and made it one of the best companies in the World in drone tech. I remember the famous saying log badlna hi nahi chahte.
First the Turkish Army didn’t believe him, but Selčuk Bayrakthar made them to. Later, he became the President’s Son-In-Law and Political heir of Erdogan.
Baykar the manufacturer of bayraktar have a documentary on their website, the bayraktar owner also faced same redicule in turkey, then went to MIT in US to do masters, bak in turkey he did not get permission to fly. He flew without permission, almost went to jail, was saved by some upright military officers. You should watch that documentary.
Indian Drone Program has been a very successful program.. Many may disagree to this, but think about it.. 1. SATCOM tested 2. Drone manufacturing sector is developing 3. Unmanned Aircraft like Rustom/Tapas paved way to AURA UCAV 4. This infrastructure actually helped in developing not only for one set of technology, but also for multiple systems like HAL CATS too.. I don't see this as a setback, I'm an engineer so i see this as a butterfly out of its cocoon, which i thought was missing for 60 years in India.. and got way better when I'm 24 now😊
Anything that isn't inducted is never a success. Stop mollycoddling the failures of DRDO. Rustom was a mission mode project. By definition, it meant most of the tech already existed in some form and only had to be integrated. It also meant dedicated funding and best possible scientists. If this is what the best of DRDO can do, then we should really look at whether DRDO shall be allowed to continue or not.
No need to compare with a NATO country. It has access to n m mber of things while we were arm twisted even at times of Kargil and with lowlife Pannu too.
Dear Turkish people don't get delusional. You may be ahead from India in terms of drone technology only but you are far far behind in other technologies like 1-: India is way ahead in Building and launching high tech military satellites. 2-: We have Anti-satellite weapons. 3-: we have world best and very precise Super sonic cruise missile and also India is developing Hypersonic missile by indigenous technology(more that 50% work has been completed) 4-: we have already developed quantum entanglement based communication technology for short distance, now we are developing this technology for very long distance from earth to space by using satellites. 5-: India has technology of ICBM (Inter continental ballistic missile) of range 8000 to 12000 KM. 6-: india has a indigenous technology of building own Aircraft Carriers and destroyers etc. 7-: India has capability of developing own AIP and nuclear based Submarines. 8-: we have landed our space craft on moon name (chandrayaan-3), and also we have reached to the mars and sun while you are no-where in space. 9-: by the end of 2025 India is going to send it's own Astronauts in to space by indigenous technology. 10-: and we started developing our own Space station, and the first module will be launched by 2028. 11-: we are the world largest produers of Vaccine and Generic drug, if you don't believe then go and search on google about SII (Serium institute of India) and find the ranking of "who is the world's largest producer of generic drugs" atleast India is self reliant in medical sector. 12-: India has its own satellite navigation system (NAAVIC), we are not dependent on GPS like you. 13- we have developed nuclear bomb technology. 14-: Very few countries are able to develope indigenous nuclear reactor technology for civilian purpose, and now India can proudly say that few years back we have developed the capability of our own indigenous nuclear reactor technology. Now India is working on nuclear fusion based nuclear reactor which is nearly impossible for humans but still humans are working on it. 15-: we have already built own Jet engine technology. Kaveri is now capable of producing 74 KN thrust which is good if you starting first time. Initial plan was to produce 94 KN thrust from this kaveri engine but it was unsuccessful. But still 74 KN is very usefull for other small aircraft. Now we are working on 5G Jet engine technology. 16-: while you are developing only KAAN, in between we are developing 3 aircrafts project at the same time, Tejas Mark-1 already completed and inducted by Indian airforce, Tejas mark-1A has also been developed, Tejas mark-2 is been in developing phase (it is about to complete) and finally AMCA project is running (it will take time), we have already developed Avionics, radars, landing gears and safe communication technology for AMCA. There are lots of achievements that India has been achieved, your country is no-where close to us. 17-: India has developed best air defence system like Barack-8 and Akash missile defence system and Ballistic missiles air defence system for ICBM's. 18-: we are developing quantum radars in order to detect stealth aircraft and will be impossible to interruption jamming. 19-: and lastly we arre developing military grade semiconductor technology to become self reliant in every sector, and we got partial success in this s technology.
Ok lungi kangladeshi enjoy other success they love indians more than lungi .. because of Bollywood and cultural influences no turkish coming to kangladesh meanwhile many turkish girl works in Bollywood 😂😂
@@moontasim1234-fy2my really didnt saw that in 1971 when pak army was railing your women kid...begging for hindus and sikhs to come sabe you from pathans and punjabi?? 😉
@aer.onavel He (A.D) Thinks he is the foremost person in india who knows everythin around defence and international diplomacy ,and slowly turning into dhruv Rathi.
Heron uses a Rotax 916 IS engine whereas Tapas uses a Austor E9 engine. rotax 916 IS have a weight of around 85kg and have a thrust of around 160Hp. Where in Austro E4 (currently used in Tapas) have a trust of around 168-180hp, but the weight is over 186 freaking kg. You can understand how light weight heron engine is without sacrificing thrust and power. Wheras Tapas engine is nearly twice as heavier as the rotax, bit only giving around the same Thrust and power. To counter this, DRDO used two engines, but im the end it didn't did much. As the weight was always high. The reason is because rotax is Costlier than austro, and the whole point of making Tapas is keeping the cost low, otherwise we could have gone for a Turboprop engine in the first place. But the Archer-NG and HALE drone will not these problems, as they will use Turboprop engine or maybe DRDOs developed new 220hp engine. Apart from the engines, TAPAS doesn't have any problem. It have automated landing and take-off capabilities, SAT-COM etc etc. We have the successful developed all the tech required to make a MALE or HALE drone, its a matter of time now.
Türkiye has developed a lot of people to develop new, previously unknown technologies such as software chip artificial intelligence. Don't forget that all countries in the world can produce an aircraft with an engine. The real question is why you produce it. Türkiye has not only produced a drone that flies in the air, it has loaded many complex systems into it, for example, blinding the enemy's radar. Appearing on enemy radar more than once, ghost changing the direction of enemy missiles in more powerful drones, I don't want to write any more, this would make me distressed, love from Türkiye
You cannot always achieve success on first or second attempt. Besides DRDO needs private competition to improve efficiency and delay. One of reasons Turky had achieved so much success because Govt. had collaborated with private companies.
100% agree with you. not ne its all people who have belong to Defence family or knowledge about defense. HAL also done this things in Rafale procurement case. Slow development trails. You see ask veteran pilot or office they question many working attitude of Govt PSU. Infact there are faulty weapons case between 2012 to 2014. So many delay like AMCA , MK2, Navy TDBEF
I think design of Rustum 2 is out dated , just look ar other drone they have a cylindrical body with wings and engine at back in pusser configuration. Where as our rustum has 1 cylindrical body and two small body for engines which increased drag a lot and also in puller configuration the props of the engine blow air over engine which waste some thrust . I know some of you will say " what about akinci " akinci use turbo prop engines which have much more power than piston engine and also if you look closely props of akinci is larger than of tapas engine props . Reducing the waste thrust over. Engine body . So we simply need a design with clear design and a single engine . I think just by putting all the electronic of rustum 2 in other design will do the job .
You Know, since the first crash of Rustom-2 I was arguing that it’s design is outdated and DRDO has NO problem regarding the Tech and Funds but the leadership of this programme must take responsibility. After the recent crash, I was hoping that Indian Army would pull back out of this programme, so the ADE would come up with a completely modern and new design. However the Software and Hardware we had developed will be reused, only the design would be new.
Actually we can use in other place in other tasks... We should start looking for opportunity through it and if possible sell it design to private player
Problems with Indian Drones and other programs is lack of Engines. We are very bad at making good engies. No matter what engine. Piston, Turbojet and Turboprop.
Wait till the "excuse" people hear that despite having a low powered version of the current F404, Gripen A&B gave more performance compared to LCA MK1/A with more powered engine. Engine is definitely important in an aircraft's performance but not everything. Aero structure design also plays a big role. I suspect this is where Tapas has failed. Armed Forces are definitely guilty of not showing much trust in indigenous equipment in the past, but that page has turned for better. And you can't use the same argument forever to justify your shortcomings.
That is because Gripen was designed with F404 in mind, while Tejas was designed with Kaveri in mind. As a result to accomodate F404, auxiliary intakes were needed which generate extra drag, and engine connot operate with full efficiency. When you know nothing but want to bash others for no reason.
@@asmodeus3084 I like the confidence with which you tried to discredit my knowledge with yourself having half assed information lmao! Anyways let's address your points one by one 1) Do you know what auxiliary air intake actually means? The extra air intake on top of the wings of Mig29's is what is called an auxiliary air intake. What the LCA has are mere slots about 4 inches from the mouth of the intake to compensate for the GE engine. That's not an auxiliary air intake nor does it increase any drag significantly. 2) What actually increases the drag on LCA is the supersonic drag induced by non optimised tail or aft section and canopy-body section. And which are both improved in LCA mk2 which in itself proves my point. Plus LCA has one of the lowest aspect ratios of any Delta wing which slightly increases its transonic drag.
@@surajbiradar9827 well someone said you can't win an argument with idiots. True indeed. Top HAL decision-makers pooh-pooh the IAF’s contention that the LCA’s air intakes are incorrectly designed, resulting in oxygen starvation and incomplete burning and, therefore, sub-optimal engine power from the F-404s. At the same time, however, steps are being taken to improve air intake, without getting into major redesign that could set back the programme by years. Instead, auxiliary air intakes are being provided on the sides of the Tejas engine housing --- similar to those on the Jaguar (see photos). These auxiliary air intakes comprise of spring-loaded panels that open when engine suction is very high and provide an additional route for airflow into the engine intakes. As you can see in the photos, the spring-loaded panels can be pushed in by manual pressure. Source: Ajai Shukla is an Indian journalist and a retired colonel of Indian Army
@@asmodeus3084 In the same report that you are citing, col. Shukla has another para which says "HAL designers aver that this would improve the engine performance only in some portions of the flight envelope. They say that during the most critical moments --- which are during sustained turns, in aerial combat --- the auxiliary air intakes would provide only marginally improved performance, if any at all." So even if we go by this fact and accept the marginal reduction of performance hampered by main intakes we are on par with gripen A and still it outperforms the LCA. And pay attention to the fact that it is an after modification compensation without any "significant design change" vs inherently included auxiliary air intake which has a totally different path to the engine which are different. Maybe come up with counters against drag next time without the pathetic shallow discrediting.
@@surajbiradar9827 Did you miss the part where I said the arodynamic design was intended for Kaveri which resulted in inefficient power output for F404. I never talked about flight envlope because tejas fulfils the requirement easily, the issue is supercruise and drag- mainly transonic drag (which can be mitigated by more power) Try and understand what people are saying before jumping to conclusion. If anything you are discrediting your own grasping capacity.
Archer-NG is not a new drone design. it is just Heron-1 upgraded to Heron-2 standards with Indian subsystems. Now that Tapas has failed, there will be noise that it was just a technology demonstrator which helped us test all the subsystems. The only new drone would be the HALE UAV by ADE if it is given a go ahead.
DRDO made a mistake by taking up a very unconventional design for a male drones. Twin engine drones have a completely different level of complexity even when considering basic logic. At the end, Rustom II failed, as simple as that. I know that the people at DRDO have understood this and I am happy to see work take place on the Archer series of drones. We all must remember, failing due to a mistake is not a big deal but failing to learn from the mistake is the biggest crime!
Rustam 2 have two engine other drones have single engine it's obvious other drones give long endurance, but not sure why rustam not giving required service sealing.
@all, Alpha Defence VS Defenc Matrix isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as the conversation is respectful. I love both channels but I think AD has deeper knowledge and info on whats happening in DRDO. Good point raised by DM about other drones using piston engines, so interested to see what AD has to say.
Bro can u pls explain why can't we produce required piston engines for such drones when we have a number of private automobile manufacturers working in our country.
Tai angsskur iran mojaer 6 all have 25k altitude with 18k altitude, majority of uav with piston engine not cross 25k, definitely improved rustom 2 design will achieve more, that is what we need
Okay instead of just saying Stupid argument and berating others claims, just tell us what is the rationale behind 24hrs, 30,000 ft? What changes at 18 hrs and 28,000 ft? TB 2 has just 15 hrs endurance and 22 hrs endurance but it sold like hotcakes. Plenty of such lower endurance drones being used effectively.
Difference between 18 hours and 24 hours is 6 hours, which is significant specially when you are considering the area covered in that duration, second thing is when you compare Rustom with TB2 I am sorry to say the argument becomes stupid, it's like developing a MQ-9 category drone which is giving you performance of MQ-1 UAV, I.e the operating cost and acquisitions cost is as high but performance is that of a cheaper drone. The TB2 comes in the category of Rustom 1, so you can't compare it with Rustom II
@@DefenceMatrix Acquisition cost of TB2 is lesser due to economies of scale and also lack of satellite link and ATOL etc. all of which Tapas has proven btw. In such a scenario shutting down the program just due to endurance requirements not being met is childish to say the least. Even army veterans on X are comparing it with Arjun fiasco. The current lot could have been purchased and then a Mk2 up engined version with 220 hp version could have been inducted when it was ready. Also difference of 6 hrs means 1 extra sortie over 72hrs. Considering the constant surprises which our AFs receive due to lack of Intel doesn't seem much of a negative .
@@sreeharsha1828economy of scale definately plays a role in keeping the TB2's cost low, but it is also cheaper because it lacks many important features such as SATCOM guidence that's why it's cheap and has limited range thus comes under the category of Rustom-1. Now about Rustom-II's range, The 24 hours bar is already pretty low, keeping in mind the drones which are flying in the same category are flying for 36-40 hours which is twice the endurance of Rustom II and Rustom II is not even able to achieve the 24 hours mark and falling short by 6 hours is a serious capability gap in the same category. And about going for multiple sortie to overcome the issue, again this will increase the operating cost, which is actually senseless for a country like India. See, R&D works like this only, you don't have to succeed in everything, sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. We also spent good amount of money in Kaveri's program, and the engine is now able to produce 75 kN of thrust, now you should also say why we don't use them in Tejas, what is the difference between 75kN and 80kN? And the answer is, it's a lot, even 80kN is less... So let's not defend what should not be defended
@@DefenceMatrix Regarding Kaveri, if you say good amount of money has been spent on developing it, we will have to stop the argument then and there. Money spent on Kaveri is peanuts when compared to other jet engine programs. It seems you are a layman with little tech background . Supporting armed forces is good but not when it is causing hindrance in developing indigenous technology. You are seeing how much even lower standard indigenous technology has helped Russia in Ukraine war. Times of 10 day short war are gone.
We need to involve the private sector in the development of such high tech peoducts. Government and PSUs are incapable to build such high tech products.
Why not go with turbo prop, what is wrong in going with turbo prop for tapas dronw??? We have such a big economy, and we want to pay more money for foreign mq-9 drone but not pay more money for Indian products.
This action of giving up on tapas drone i believe is because of favouring adani to make Hermes 900 drone in india , I guess even the government wants to do this😅😅 if you know you know
@@rajsinghbais5106 have you heard of government to government deal ?? C 17 globemaster was done through this, I am talking about the government favouring certain products to be procured by the army, this has been done before too
Archer NG will also use turboprop...ADE is going with turboprop. The problem is not turboprop but missing parameters. Compare hermis with rustam u will get it. Army needs a lot of drones don't make imaginary conspiracy theories
@@detectivesroy I wonder how long that would take, rustom h came out in early 2014 it had blue body back then in one of the Bangalore air show, they redesigned it back then, the Indian army wants change only in the end of the program.
Phli baar ksii indian defence channel ki maai tarif karunga seriously bhai mein hmesha logo ki yhii smghata thaa ki aceept kroo failure but sb log sirf pak auur china ka mzak bnatey hain naki kuch sikhte hain
It is not unrealistic requirements but to help import foreign drones through Adani Elbiet that the indigenous drone program is being killed on flimsy ground. Already India has a disproportionately large defense budget in comparison to the overall budget. If this budget increases then it'll have negative effect on the overall budget. Already out of more than 300,000 crores defense budget 150,000 crores is only towards pension and medical for ex servicemen.
HAL and DRDO are good in aero modelling. Every year keep some aero model in aero India which will never get developed nor fly. Loss of Mr. Manohar Parekkar was a big blow. If he was there many things would have moved forward.
I don't think that there is any drone with piston powered engine out there that has 30,000 ft capability. And while it is very difficult to make a drone having such altitude, the demand is not unnecessary as such requirement is a result of high altitude terrian where our operations mostly take place. It might seem unrealistic but I believe that there is a solution to it.
Actually the turks have developed a piston engine with that capability. It is called the PD170 engine, from TEI. This engine can fly as high as 45,000 ft.
Its because of to be protected from low cost air defense systems. Otherwise, widely used defense systems can target you easily in the operation area. And if you can't fly high, your endurance will be less because of air friction. There are some real reasons.
@@profthelight 100% I agree with you on this. While it is good to be optimistic about making a affordable and a good drone, sometimes the strategy doesn't work when the expectations are top-notch. The government or especially the DRDO should have taken into consideration that the dron is going to be expensive to manufacture/operate or both. This way the conceptual design used in this drone would have been unique and expensive but effective in the required operation parameters.
India is behind in every field!!! But first in leaving India to go overseas! Like they can’t even manage to make a high altitude drone? May be they need to hire lots of foreign advisors because our design bureau can’t get this done!!
Simple jo bhi engineer or srkari babu hai isko 12 saal say fail karne me unhe hatao unke incompetent behavior unka demotion ho taki anay wale generation k liye ye ek sochne wali baat baney
It's better to not take it on ego and accept that this drons isn't working as expected and to make it work will require major changes.. So better putting effort on this, start designing a new model with the learnings and go full throttle..
‘Operation Successful but the patient Died’ Is our Moto. It takes 3 attempts to land on the dark side of the moon. We still don’t have a Fighter Jet Engine. It takes DRDO 3 decades to get out an global product that which no end user wants it, only because our arch enemy China has much advanced affordable equipment legally sold under PLI scheme. Our banks operate under *server down* condition. Tapas and Rusthum are failed drones by DRDO Dhanush like Tejas took such long process to be inducted. Aakash MRV and Archer are doing good.
Why India not use turbofan engines instead of piston engine India fastly make advance drones😅😅😅😅😅 otherwise we will far behind in making aircraft and engines 😅😅😊
@@aamerjamal 😂😂😂😂 abe tumhe ye bate batata kon hai ? Tumari ammmi ka shohar, ya tumara real abbuu ya molavi 😂😂 Ya ganza funk kar sirf sapne me rahte ho
What a great UACV. Turks engineers.Make a great Job.
Turkey and china are better than us in the area of uav
Türkiyemize hayırlı olsun, yola devam.
I remember my College days when I submitted a paper on micro uav back in 2014 in one of the best colleges in South India. I was rebuffed and ridiculed by the professor committee saying we didn't even have a proper design this is how new ideas are entertained in India how will we progress. Let's remember how bayraktar was built by its founder from using readily available parts and made it one of the best companies in the World in drone tech. I remember the famous saying log badlna hi nahi chahte.
First the Turkish Army didn’t believe him, but Selčuk Bayrakthar made them to. Later, he became the President’s Son-In-Law and Political heir of Erdogan.
@@ashrithrao06he aint a political heir dumbf..!
Jab pichwada narm gaddi or jeb sarkari tankhwa paate hai to nikamma v khudko VIP samjhne lagta hai
Baykar the manufacturer of bayraktar have a documentary on their website, the bayraktar owner also faced same redicule in turkey, then went to MIT in US to do masters, bak in turkey he did not get permission to fly. He flew without permission, almost went to jail, was saved by some upright military officers. You should watch that documentary.
Our slave mindset has to change, we should to learn to create champions
Indian Drone Program has been a very successful program..
Many may disagree to this, but think about it..
1. SATCOM tested
2. Drone manufacturing sector is developing
3. Unmanned Aircraft like Rustom/Tapas paved way to AURA UCAV
4. This infrastructure actually helped in developing not only for one set of technology, but also for multiple systems like HAL CATS too..
I don't see this as a setback, I'm an engineer so i see this as a butterfly out of its cocoon, which i thought was missing for 60 years in India.. and got way better when I'm 24 now😊
Couldn't agree more with you. There's been quite some helpful benefits out of this program.
Absolutely Failure is of a poor/sub-optimal more than a decade old design Same with Arjun As a TD both are as successful as you could wish for
Yep… All we need is a good MALE UAV design.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Anything that isn't inducted is never a success. Stop mollycoddling the failures of DRDO. Rustom was a mission mode project. By definition, it meant most of the tech already existed in some form and only had to be integrated. It also meant dedicated funding and best possible scientists. If this is what the best of DRDO can do, then we should really look at whether DRDO shall be allowed to continue or not.
How funny, we can't even make a simple drone and we dream of making a 5th generation fighter aircraft
Turkey is move fastforward in milittary weapons..India is still far behind Turkey in Weapon Tech...😢
But we are far ahead in missile technology and space technology than Turkey
No need to compare with a NATO country. It has access to n m mber of things while we were arm twisted even at times of Kargil and with lowlife Pannu too.
So Drones are now the entirety weapons tech now?
It's more about realistic approach which we lack
Dear Turkish people don't get delusional. You may be ahead from India in terms of drone technology only but you are far far behind in other technologies like
1-: India is way ahead in Building and launching high tech military satellites.
2-: We have Anti-satellite weapons.
3-: we have world best and very precise Super sonic cruise missile and also India is developing Hypersonic missile by indigenous technology(more that 50% work has been completed)
4-: we have already developed quantum entanglement based communication technology for short distance, now we are developing this technology for very long distance from earth to space by using satellites.
5-: India has technology of ICBM (Inter continental ballistic missile) of range 8000 to 12000 KM.
6-: india has a indigenous technology of building own Aircraft Carriers and destroyers etc.
7-: India has capability of developing own AIP and nuclear based Submarines.
8-: we have landed our space craft on moon name (chandrayaan-3), and also we have reached to the mars and sun while you are no-where in space.
9-: by the end of 2025 India is going to send it's own Astronauts in to space by indigenous technology.
10-: and we started developing our own Space station, and the first module will be launched by 2028.
11-: we are the world largest produers of Vaccine and Generic drug, if you don't believe then go and search on google about SII (Serium institute of India) and find the ranking of "who is the world's largest producer of generic drugs" atleast India is self reliant in medical sector.
12-: India has its own satellite navigation system (NAAVIC), we are not dependent on GPS like you.
13- we have developed nuclear bomb technology.
14-: Very few countries are able to develope indigenous nuclear reactor technology for civilian purpose, and now India can proudly say that few years back we have developed the capability of our own indigenous nuclear reactor technology. Now India is working on nuclear fusion based nuclear reactor which is nearly impossible for humans but still humans are working on it.
15-: we have already built own Jet engine technology. Kaveri is now capable of producing 74 KN thrust which is good if you starting first time. Initial plan was to produce 94 KN thrust from this kaveri engine but it was unsuccessful. But still 74 KN is very usefull for other small aircraft. Now we are working on 5G Jet engine technology.
16-: while you are developing only KAAN, in between we are developing 3 aircrafts project at the same time, Tejas Mark-1 already completed and inducted by Indian airforce, Tejas mark-1A has also been developed, Tejas mark-2 is been in developing phase (it is about to complete) and finally AMCA project is running (it will take time), we have already developed Avionics, radars, landing gears and safe communication technology for AMCA.
There are lots of achievements that India has been achieved, your country is no-where close to us.
17-: India has developed best air defence system like Barack-8 and Akash missile defence system and Ballistic missiles air defence system for ICBM's.
18-: we are developing quantum radars in order to detect stealth aircraft and will be impossible to interruption jamming.
19-: and lastly we arre developing military grade semiconductor technology to become self reliant in every sector, and we got partial success in this s technology.
Noone can compete with turkish drones technology
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Turkey is doing very good 👏👏👏👏 great 👌👍.
india is doing good too
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Türkiye product qualiity full Love Turkeye from Bangladesh
Ok lungi kangladeshi enjoy other success they love indians more than lungi .. because of Bollywood and cultural influences no turkish coming to kangladesh meanwhile many turkish girl works in Bollywood 😂😂
@@Scientist1351lungi is far better than dhuti😂
@@Scientist1351don't worry turkish Girls don't needed Bollywood.
@@moontasim1234-fy2my really didnt saw that in 1971 when pak army was railing your women kid...begging for hindus and sikhs to come sabe you from pathans and punjabi?? 😉
@@SkyHero66 kid your morrocan hotie nora fatehi already do mujra for bollywood with countless more european actress wtf u talking 5ft lungi?!
High Turkish technology
When it comes to UAV, the Turks now lead the world by example.
Turkey droone superpower ♥️🤍🤘♥️🤍🤘🧿🧿🧿
Here we go again
Defence matrix vs alpha defense
I thought the same thing, alpha defense bats for drdo while defense matrix bats for GOI
😂yahi toh entertainment hai
@@anirudvashisht4008alpha defence nowdays only making confusion and he talks like he is pro.
@@anirudvashisht4008 batting for DRDO doesn't mean DRDO should be immune for their shortcomings. As much as I love both channels, AD is wrong here.
@aer.onavel He (A.D) Thinks he is the foremost person in india who knows everythin around defence and international diplomacy ,and slowly turning into dhruv Rathi.
Türkiye military procect❤
Heron uses a Rotax 916 IS engine whereas Tapas uses a Austor E9 engine.
rotax 916 IS have a weight of around 85kg and have a thrust of around 160Hp. Where in Austro E4 (currently used in Tapas) have a trust of around 168-180hp, but the weight is over 186 freaking kg. You can understand how light weight heron engine is without sacrificing thrust and power. Wheras Tapas engine is nearly twice as heavier as the rotax, bit only giving around the same Thrust and power.
To counter this, DRDO used two engines, but im the end it didn't did much. As the weight was always high. The reason is because rotax is Costlier than austro, and the whole point of making Tapas is keeping the cost low, otherwise we could have gone for a Turboprop engine in the first place.
But the Archer-NG and HALE drone will not these problems, as they will use Turboprop engine or maybe DRDOs developed new 220hp engine. Apart from the engines, TAPAS doesn't have any problem. It have automated landing and take-off capabilities, SAT-COM etc etc. We have the successful developed all the tech required to make a MALE or HALE drone, its a matter of time now.
Thank you for explaining
Good info DRDO 220HP engine was supposed to be used in Tapas too (future)
Türkiye has developed a lot of people to develop new, previously unknown technologies such as software chip artificial intelligence. Don't forget that all countries in the world can produce an aircraft with an engine. The real question is why you produce it. Türkiye has not only produced a drone that flies in the air, it has loaded many complex systems into it, for example, blinding the enemy's radar. Appearing on enemy radar more than once, ghost changing the direction of enemy missiles in more powerful drones, I don't want to write any more, this would make me distressed, love from Türkiye
You cannot always achieve success on first or second attempt. Besides DRDO needs private competition to improve efficiency and delay. One of reasons Turky had achieved so much success because Govt. had collaborated with private companies.
Valid analysis esp the piston engine part. All started by a drdo fancy boy utuber. Hope the confusion create by some is cleared after this video.
Now
Eagerly waiting for a response video on this.
From u know who.
Sometimes a healthy argument & clashes of opinion is good.
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100% agree with you. not ne its all people who have belong to Defence family or knowledge about defense. HAL also done this things in Rafale procurement case. Slow development trails. You see ask veteran pilot or office they question many working attitude of Govt PSU. Infact there are faulty weapons case between 2012 to 2014. So many delay like AMCA , MK2, Navy TDBEF
Failure of Modi government
@@humpydumpy2432 means Tejes , Rafale induction. more support local. har baat me govt me.
I think design of Rustum 2 is out dated , just look ar other drone they have a cylindrical body with wings and engine at back in pusser configuration. Where as our rustum has 1 cylindrical body and two small body for engines which increased drag a lot and also in puller configuration the props of the engine blow air over engine which waste some thrust .
I know some of you will say " what about akinci " akinci use turbo prop engines which have much more power than piston engine and also if you look closely props of akinci is larger than of tapas engine props . Reducing the waste thrust over. Engine body .
So we simply need a design with clear design and a single engine . I think just by putting all the electronic of rustum 2 in other design will do the job .
You Know, since the first crash of Rustom-2 I was arguing that it’s design is outdated and DRDO has NO problem regarding the Tech and Funds but the leadership of this programme must take responsibility. After the recent crash, I was hoping that Indian Army would pull back out of this programme, so the ADE would come up with a completely modern and new design. However the Software and Hardware we had developed will be reused, only the design would be new.
We can still use the Rustom-2 prototype in situations where endurance is not an issue, such as disaster management.
Actually we can use in other place in other tasks... We should start looking for opportunity through it and if possible sell it design to private player
DRDO should use Rustom drone experience in any other drone projects.
I think you know very well where the piston engine argument is coming from
****Alpha Defense****
Yes he always talks on piston engine and nowdays he is making videos without any conclusions just to make views
😂😂 alpha look stupid 😂😂by face 😂😂😂
Problems with Indian Drones and other programs is lack of Engines. We are very bad at making good engies. No matter what engine. Piston, Turbojet and Turboprop.
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Turkiye 😮
You indian don't except Turkeys progress.Poor india😅😅😅
Turkish radar technology and drone and Aerospace technology is far superior than India.😊😊😊
India is 50 years behind.
Wait till the "excuse" people hear that despite having a low powered version of the current F404, Gripen A&B gave more performance compared to LCA MK1/A with more powered engine.
Engine is definitely important in an aircraft's performance but not everything. Aero structure design also plays a big role. I suspect this is where Tapas has failed.
Armed Forces are definitely guilty of not showing much trust in indigenous equipment in the past, but that page has turned for better. And you can't use the same argument forever to justify your shortcomings.
That is because Gripen was designed with F404 in mind, while Tejas was designed with Kaveri in mind.
As a result to accomodate F404, auxiliary intakes were needed which generate extra drag, and engine connot operate with full efficiency.
When you know nothing but want to bash others for no reason.
@@asmodeus3084 I like the confidence with which you tried to discredit my knowledge with yourself having half assed information lmao!
Anyways let's address your points one by one
1) Do you know what auxiliary air intake actually means? The extra air intake on top of the wings of Mig29's is what is called an auxiliary air intake. What the LCA has are mere slots about 4 inches from the mouth of the intake to compensate for the GE engine. That's not an auxiliary air intake nor does it increase any drag significantly.
2) What actually increases the drag on LCA is the supersonic drag induced by non optimised tail or aft section and canopy-body section. And which are both improved in LCA mk2 which in itself proves my point. Plus LCA has one of the lowest aspect ratios of any Delta wing which slightly increases its transonic drag.
@@surajbiradar9827 well someone said you can't win an argument with idiots. True indeed.
Top HAL decision-makers pooh-pooh the IAF’s contention that the LCA’s air intakes are incorrectly designed, resulting in oxygen starvation and incomplete burning and, therefore, sub-optimal engine power from the F-404s. At the same time, however, steps are being taken to improve air intake, without getting into major redesign that could set back the programme by years. Instead, auxiliary air intakes are being provided on the sides of the Tejas engine housing --- similar to those on the Jaguar (see photos).
These auxiliary air intakes comprise of spring-loaded panels that open when engine suction is very high and provide an additional route for airflow into the engine intakes. As you can see in the photos, the spring-loaded panels can be pushed in by manual pressure.
Source: Ajai Shukla is an Indian journalist and a retired colonel of Indian Army
@@asmodeus3084 In the same report that you are citing, col. Shukla has another para which says
"HAL designers aver that this would improve the engine performance only in some portions of the flight envelope. They say that during the most critical moments --- which are during sustained turns, in aerial combat --- the auxiliary air intakes would provide only marginally improved performance, if any at all." So even if we go by this fact and accept
the marginal reduction of performance hampered by main intakes we are on par with gripen A and still it outperforms the LCA.
And pay attention to the fact that it is an after modification compensation without any "significant design change" vs inherently included auxiliary air intake which has a totally different path to the engine which are different.
Maybe come up with counters against drag next time without the pathetic shallow discrediting.
@@surajbiradar9827 Did you miss the part where I said the arodynamic design was intended for Kaveri which resulted in inefficient power output for F404.
I never talked about flight envlope because tejas fulfils the requirement easily, the issue is supercruise and drag- mainly transonic drag (which can be mitigated by more power)
Try and understand what people are saying before jumping to conclusion. If anything you are discrediting your own grasping capacity.
Archer-NG is not a new drone design. it is just Heron-1 upgraded to Heron-2 standards with Indian subsystems.
Now that Tapas has failed, there will be noise that it was just a technology demonstrator which helped us test all the subsystems.
The only new drone would be the HALE UAV by ADE if it is given a go ahead.
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DRDO made a mistake by taking up a very unconventional design for a male drones. Twin engine drones have a completely different level of complexity even when considering basic logic. At the end, Rustom II failed, as simple as that. I know that the people at DRDO have understood this and I am happy to see work take place on the Archer series of drones. We all must remember, failing due to a mistake is not a big deal but failing to learn from the mistake is the biggest crime!
Absolutely right 👍
Don't discard Rustom, use it as a workhorse in monitoring borders and ocean, and use different drones in hostile conditions.
Tb2, Tb3, Anka2,Anka3,Akıncı, Aksungur, ve Muhteşem Kızıl Elma 6.nesil devri çoktan başladı..Tüm bunların Komutanı KAAN ın sözünü dinlemelisiniz😂
Rustam 2 have two engine other drones have single engine it's obvious other drones give long endurance, but not sure why rustam not giving required service sealing.
Design flaws
Engine power deffic
Engine , design
Yes. We just waiting for Adani.. very very talented person.. kaha tha 😂😂
@all, Alpha Defence VS Defenc Matrix isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as the conversation is respectful. I love both channels but I think AD has deeper knowledge and info on whats happening in DRDO. Good point raised by DM about other drones using piston engines, so interested to see what AD has to say.
Live Karo alpha defense ke saath is topic par agar aap sahi ho vrna bohot confusion ho rha hai alag alag information se 👍
Waiting for reply from Alpha defence 😂😂😂😂
Bro can u pls explain why can't we produce required piston engines for such drones when we have a number of private automobile manufacturers working in our country.
There was nothing unrealistic in the requirements. Bas humse nehi ho payega...sarkari babus ko bas retirement plans banane se fursat nehi.
Probably in this video he is not talking about alpha defence 😅 ( I love both ☺️🙂)
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I don't understand we can first develope a drone with general requirements and fly it then we can develop it to high end drone or combat drone...
Tai angsskur iran mojaer 6 all have 25k altitude with 18k altitude, majority of uav with piston engine not cross 25k, definitely improved rustom 2 design will achieve more, that is what we need
Dear Aksungur UAV
Turkish made 2x PD-170 Engine
Altitude: 40k feet
Endurance: 60 Hours
Range: 6.500 km
Payload: 750 kg
Cruise Speed: 250km/h
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAI_Aksungur
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Okay instead of just saying Stupid argument and berating others claims, just tell us what is the rationale behind 24hrs, 30,000 ft? What changes at 18 hrs and 28,000 ft? TB 2 has just 15 hrs endurance and 22 hrs endurance but it sold like hotcakes. Plenty of such lower endurance drones being used effectively.
Difference between 18 hours and 24 hours is 6 hours, which is significant specially when you are considering the area covered in that duration, second thing is when you compare Rustom with TB2 I am sorry to say the argument becomes stupid, it's like developing a MQ-9 category drone which is giving you performance of MQ-1 UAV, I.e the operating cost and acquisitions cost is as high but performance is that of a cheaper drone. The TB2 comes in the category of Rustom 1, so you can't compare it with Rustom II
@@DefenceMatrix Acquisition cost of TB2 is lesser due to economies of scale and also lack of satellite link and ATOL etc. all of which Tapas has proven btw. In such a scenario shutting down the program just due to endurance requirements not being met is childish to say the least. Even army veterans on X are comparing it with Arjun fiasco. The current lot could have been purchased and then a Mk2 up engined version with 220 hp version could have been inducted when it was ready. Also difference of 6 hrs means 1 extra sortie over 72hrs. Considering the constant surprises which our AFs receive due to lack of Intel doesn't seem much of a negative .
@@sreeharsha1828economy of scale definately plays a role in keeping the TB2's cost low, but it is also cheaper because it lacks many important features such as SATCOM guidence that's why it's cheap and has limited range thus comes under the category of Rustom-1.
Now about Rustom-II's range, The 24 hours bar is already pretty low, keeping in mind the drones which are flying in the same category are flying for 36-40 hours which is twice the endurance of Rustom II and Rustom II is not even able to achieve the 24 hours mark and falling short by 6 hours is a serious capability gap in the same category.
And about going for multiple sortie to overcome the issue, again this will increase the operating cost, which is actually senseless for a country like India.
See, R&D works like this only, you don't have to succeed in everything, sometimes you do, sometimes you don't.
We also spent good amount of money in Kaveri's program, and the engine is now able to produce 75 kN of thrust, now you should also say why we don't use them in Tejas, what is the difference between 75kN and 80kN? And the answer is, it's a lot, even 80kN is less... So let's not defend what should not be defended
@@DefenceMatrix Regarding Kaveri, if you say good amount of money has been spent on developing it, we will have to stop the argument then and there. Money spent on Kaveri is peanuts when compared to other jet engine programs. It seems you are a layman with little tech background . Supporting armed forces is good but not when it is causing hindrance in developing indigenous technology. You are seeing how much even lower standard indigenous technology has helped Russia in Ukraine war. Times of 10 day short war are gone.
@@sreeharsha1828👍 you won the argument.
We need to involve the private sector in the development of such high tech peoducts. Government and PSUs are incapable to build such high tech products.
जहां पर अदानी होगा वहां पर भारत के प्रोडक्ट नहीं चलेंगे केवल दूसरे देशों के प्रोडक्ट ही आने तय है ‼️🔥🔥🔥
India is late at developing many weapons still in a modern days
Too Democracy is bad for the country 🏁
If required Rustom || drone is usable in Kamikaze mission like shahed drones 😅
Hi
Naa its too costly for that and too big aswell.. 😊
Why not go with turbo prop, what is wrong in going with turbo prop for tapas dronw??? We have such a big economy, and we want to pay more money for foreign mq-9 drone but not pay more money for Indian products.
This action of giving up on tapas drone i believe is because of favouring adani to make Hermes 900 drone in india , I guess even the government wants to do this😅😅 if you know you know
@@somaiahchettranda6705procurement is done by armed forces not goi if thats the case goi would have purchased every thing on their on 😂
@@rajsinghbais5106 have you heard of government to government deal ?? C 17 globemaster was done through this, I am talking about the government favouring certain products to be procured by the army, this has been done before too
Archer NG will also use turboprop...ADE is going with turboprop. The problem is not turboprop but missing parameters. Compare hermis with rustam u will get it. Army needs a lot of drones don't make imaginary conspiracy theories
@@detectivesroy I wonder how long that would take, rustom h came out in early 2014 it had blue body back then in one of the Bangalore air show, they redesigned it back then, the Indian army wants change only in the end of the program.
सर जी नमस्कार, सर जी ये जो ड्रोन आप ने बताये ये ज्यादा पुशर कंफीग्रेशन में थे और रूस्तम 2 पुलर कंफीग्रेशन में, शुक्रिया
Alpha defence is not harm in video 😮
Don't know about current herons but the first batch of heron which was used by artillery regiments, were hardly fly above 4.5 km altitude.
Hame drone ka name Rustom hi chahiye
Vote karo
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Piston engine with price tag of 12 crore USD per piece 😂😂😂😂 DRDO is eating bhang dhatura afeem
Phli baar ksii indian defence channel ki maai tarif karunga seriously bhai mein hmesha logo ki yhii smghata thaa ki aceept kroo failure but sb log sirf pak auur china ka mzak bnatey hain naki kuch sikhte hain
Argument Kahan se aaraha hai ye dono side ko pata hai but bolega koi ni😅
Its Defence Matrix vs Alfa Defense now.....😊
How many Hermes 900 Will be Procured Sir?
2, for now
So is there a underlying problem with the quality of human resources we have currently working on this project?
It is not unrealistic requirements but to help import foreign drones through Adani Elbiet that the indigenous drone program is being killed on flimsy ground.
Already India has a disproportionately large defense budget in comparison to the overall budget.
If this budget increases then it'll have negative effect on the overall budget.
Already out of more than 300,000 crores defense budget 150,000 crores is only towards pension and medical for ex servicemen.
Sir defence budget is 6 lak crores not 3
On a lighter note """"""" I feel till we have foreign options .... "" hum nahe develope nahe krge...""😉😇😇😇😇
तुर्की tfx kaan की first flight date 😂 Wednesday ki di thi. Woh to nikal gaya
When you are comparing aircrafts, ships etc., it would be nice to see bar, line charts or a table of parameters. Good work though!
HAL and DRDO are good in aero modelling. Every year keep some aero model in aero India which will never get developed nor fly. Loss of Mr. Manohar Parekkar was a big blow. If he was there many things would have moved forward.
That's why I only trust your opinion & arguments
Brother Engine will be an issue in Ghatak, mark my words
Imagine 1000 unmanned fighter jets taking off and heading towards a target.... shocking ... wonderful 😍
India best propaganda video best number one
What could've been the reason for this projects failure.? Just the design or something else?
always loved ur content informative
Archer ng joint project with IAI Israel???? Its very confusing .....
Ans us..
I don't think that there is any drone with piston powered engine out there that has 30,000 ft capability. And while it is very difficult to make a drone having such altitude, the demand is not unnecessary as such requirement is a result of high altitude terrian where our operations mostly take place. It might seem unrealistic but I believe that there is a solution to it.
You should watch our latest video
Actually the turks have developed a piston engine with that capability. It is called the PD170 engine, from TEI. This engine can fly as high as 45,000 ft.
Its because of to be protected from low cost air defense systems. Otherwise, widely used defense systems can target you easily in the operation area.
And if you can't fly high, your endurance will be less because of air friction.
There are some real reasons.
@@profthelight 100% I agree with you on this. While it is good to be optimistic about making a affordable and a good drone, sometimes the strategy doesn't work when the expectations are top-notch. The government or especially the DRDO should have taken into consideration that the dron is going to be expensive to manufacture/operate or both. This way the conceptual design used in this drone would have been unique and expensive but effective in the required operation parameters.
PD 220 Tei turkıye
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Incompetent project management on the Tapas drone project?
What really is the reason for taking such a long time yet failing to deliver.
LCA tejas is a Samosa😅😅
Tere chtney jf -17 se behter hai
😊 JF-17 is Famous Chinese chhipkali achar 🦎
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@@aamerjamal phir to maz-hub aur porn-hub bhi ek hi hai 😁
Alpha defence in context?
Why are we not getting help from Iran to produce low cost and good quality drones. 🤔
Accha hua Swift fly kar chuka hai varna use bhi failure declare karna chahte honge kuch log.
India is behind in every field!!! But first in leaving India to go overseas! Like they can’t even manage to make a high altitude drone? May be they need to hire lots of foreign advisors because our design bureau can’t get this done!!
Nice video
10 saal itni funding aur patronage k sath to Dronacharya bhi apna drone bna lete mahabharat me🤦🏽♂️
Hahaha😂 yeh Drdo hai sarkari badal gayi yeh hamare babus nahj badle 😂 but achha hua iske ego ko hurt krna zaruri tha 😂
Rustom design is bulky
Simple jo bhi engineer or srkari babu hai isko 12 saal say fail karne me unhe hatao unke incompetent behavior unka demotion ho taki anay wale generation k liye ye ek sochne wali baat baney
Why don't we partner up with of indian private firms who are making droned already.
Türkey Anke3 is Wood modell ? Euroup drons are the best only all time whay ??????
Europe has no drones you hater 😂
Sir can you tell why it is not sucessful
Engine single hoga to automatically endurence barr hi jaega
It's better to not take it on ego and accept that this drons isn't working as expected and to make it work will require major changes..
So better putting effort on this, start designing a new model with the learnings and go full throttle..
So what their tech is nato tech which is American tech. We do almost everything on our own in pennies...
We must collaborate with different international partners to develop drones
Soo you don’t agree with indigenous design and manufacturing
@@SanjayGupta-nt9vni agree but its the question you should ask our armed forces
‘Operation Successful but the patient Died’
Is our Moto.
It takes 3 attempts to land on the dark side of the moon.
We still don’t have a Fighter Jet Engine.
It takes DRDO 3 decades to get out an global product that which no end user wants it, only because our arch enemy China has much advanced affordable equipment legally sold under PLI scheme.
Our banks operate under *server down* condition.
Tapas and Rusthum are failed drones by DRDO
Dhanush like Tejas took such long process to be inducted.
Aakash MRV and Archer are doing good.
Yes sir experience gather from rustam help in development of archer
@@owlthefoul4848failure of modi government
Why India not use turbofan engines instead of piston engine India fastly make advance drones😅😅😅😅😅 otherwise we will far behind in making aircraft and engines 😅😅😊
India doesnt have a turbofan engine!
Not to worry we have MQ9
Hamara log keval missile me hai.
BJP never Accept failure. 😂
Bruh wot? Bjp?
Gendu hai kya?
Bc its project under DRDO
Arre jahil abdol.. Modi bna rha tha kya drone🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Imam Hussein ko bhi BJP k logo ne mara tha kya🤡🤡
Agree ! BJP har nhi manti
Ram mandir bana kar dikhaya, Article 370 hata kar dikhaya, har nhi mani
@@UnknownGunman10😅😅Pakistan sey pit k dikhaya... China ko area dey k dikhaya har nahi manti 😂 😂 😂....
@@aamerjamal 😂😂😂😂 abe tumhe ye bate batata kon hai ?
Tumari ammmi ka shohar, ya tumara real abbuu ya molavi 😂😂
Ya ganza funk kar sirf sapne me rahte ho
Sly on Alpha Defence? He is shouting his lungs out on Piston Vs Turbo Engines and Unrealistic Parameters of 24 hrs etc...