Homelab Servers Pt8 - Is your server costing you a server a year to run? Dell R710 vs R730
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2023
- The Dell R710 was a workhorse for Dell for many years and is in use globally still, but is it costing you more to run than you think? Could upgrading save you enough to buy a new server?
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great video... seeing the power usage vs performance is a huge help in deciding what to buy.
hi, new to the homelab here, thanks for the video, it helps a lot.
Love the video. Not having issues from iDrac6 on my 310. Using the firmware update 2.92 (Build 05) (I see other people having issues with the older firmware versions logging in so that may help). Power on the PowerEdge 10 series is way higher on the power draw, use mine for backup servers, they automatically come on, back everything up then shutdown.
I'm currently running a Dell R720XD. When I racked it up and put it to use, my power bill barely changed at all.
Nice indepth insides ❤
Firstly, awesome video. I really appreciate the time it took to do the power benchmarks. Thank you. I do feel the need to say, that in your 710, there were 6 (3.5) drives, vs the 2 (2.5) drives in the 730, that is going to be a good percentage of that power draw. And also, if you're going to just power on run some tests and power it off the 710 can still be a capable machine(if you can get it for cheap), just not for long term continual use. thanks again.
you are ABSOLUTELY right
Nice video - I updated a couple of R710's to R740-xd. One system sits powered off at 13W. The other is running TrueNAS Scale (128GB DDR-4) and is sitting at 156W. With energy costs now they will pay for themselves just in reduced running costs in a few years. And of course a lot faster and newer. Both bought 2nd hand.
Go into Idrac on the server that is power off and go into power configuration. Look for power factor correction. Turn that off. Far as redunancy turn that off and disable hot spare. That may drop your power usage on your idle machine and on the machine you are using it will also drop your power usuage. YOu still have a spare it is just not hot. ON the machine you are running you can leave power factor correction on.
I have 2 R730s, one with E5-2698v3 and the other with E5-2697Av4 (both 16 core processors) and they are sitting mostly idle (several VMs running but not doing a lot) at 112 and 126 Watts. My R720 with E5-2680 (8 core processors) is sitting at 210 watts. Of course, it also has 8 spinning rust drives and the R730s have SSDs so that accounts for some power difference, but based on the specs for the drives, not enough. I have a couple of R710s as well, but they're not even plugged in any more. They're just taking up room in my rack.
I work in the biggest DC in the UK and we have 610 of the R730's in use. Out of all the servers we use (mix of HP, IBM and Dell), the 730's are probably the most reliable.
I need the 60 Core with PCIE 5.0 Nvme storage servers , 1 TB of super fast ram, but only if we can get it for 500 bucks.
Been thinking about updating my 720xd to something a bit newer. 768 gigs of ram has been nice though for ZFS caching.
Thanks for the interesting videos, I'm considering taking the plunge to do some experimenting. I'm tempted to wards an OEM version of an R730 but wondered if you could say what the difference is between those and a Dell branded one? Are there any disadvantages from a home lab perspective? Many thanks,
Hey Thanks for the vid! What would be your recommendation for a home storage server? Better to be a tower or not a full depth with lots of 3.5 bays? Obviously as a 24/7 energie efficiency is a priority
I didn't want to hear this but i needed too. I probably cant bear to toss my R710 but i might turn it into a coffee table.
take the guts out and put the housing in a server rack, but keep the lid. Now u can use it to store tools inside the case. Then use it as a table-top with the lid. That is of course you are using the LONG slider rails.
I’ve got a t410 with perc h700. 12tb disks are working just fine.
When thinking about power hrm... My 720xd has 10 14TB sas, 4 SSD, 4 nvme optane, 2 optane PCI, 9400-16e and a tesla p4..768 gigs of ram and dual 2660v2 -308 watts. I have a set of 2697 v2s that just not really needed. Use to use a set of 2687w v2 .. Whew now those things spit fire out the back. 160watt parts.
Can't wait for the R6515 (first EPYC Poweredge) to tumble in price one day... 2025 probably.
My old poweredge r810 consumes 300W on idle and can hit over 900W when loaded.
It has 4x10 core cpu's though and all 32 memory slots are filled.
Great video! I love me Dell's PowerEdge servers. Have owned an R710, R720, T620 (bought new). Now rocking an R740 (Cascade Lake) on lease-to-buy, and an R750 (Ice Lake), bought outright. The T620 drew about 185 watts. The R740, about the same. The R750 draws about 375 watts at idle. I believe the R710 uses different rails than the R720 and later systems.
375w at idle on a 750?? Is that in performance mode?
@@JimtheITguy I believe it's Performance Per Watt (DAPC). There is no "balanced" or similar, but there's another setting called Power Efficient Policy. With the system off, it shows "Performance" I will have to check it the next time the system is powered on. BTW, iDRAC on this machine pulls 18 watts.
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Great vid. I'd be interested in a real-world discussion about power usage, e.g. when you start adding disks, comparing different disk types, etc. I'm running an R530 with 6x 4TB disks (3.5"). It seemed like a great idea at the time when I set this up but ugh the power usage is painful. Using for CCTV server (Blueiris with 10 cams), Node-RED and general automation server (uses hardly any processing / disk), router / DHCP server (Untangle), backup server (Veeam backup of VMs), and general RDP host for running apps remotely like Lightroom and for archive storage.
I think I'm going to have some black friday action today and buy some SSDs, remove those spinning disks, reduce my total capacity and move some of the storage offline.
You may be able to bring down disk power by spinning them down into STANDBY mode in hdparm. STANDBY or sleep mode puts them into an even lower power state than idle after a period of inactivity, usually a watt or less. They take longer to spin up and access data, people say it adds wear to the drive but its arguable how big a deal that is. Depending on how you have your drives configured and how often they are accessed, you may have success with an SSD as a cache or something along those lines.
You also forgot to mention DDR3 vs DDR4 on the R730. That alone makes a huge difference in performance too
I just purchased a used R720, wish I had watched this before, I would have tried to find a 730 instead. Any advice/recommendations to keep power consumption to a minimum and increase efficiency? Any upgrades I could do to help?
Yeah, I'd never get any server older than Sandy Bridge, and preferably Haswell. My Intel Iron Pass machine with all 12 drive bays filled pulls 200w at idle with a small GPU installed. Edit: It's running 64gig and a pair of er-2620v2 chips and a k620 for transcode because of Jellyfin.
I have the same r730 setup but mines idling closer to 140W on performance per watt.. maybe the culprit is my OS: running ESXI
have a question. I have a r510 with 9 HD, 70TB total with cashe drive. It sits around 230-270w with energy efficient on. Looking for 12-15 bay hotswap or not. Would it be easy to upgrade server/ Add jbod? ( have a powervault wd3100 has 2x600w psu not powered up or even hooked up)/built a whole rack mount server intel 11/12/13th gen? want low TDP. use unraid as OS with only using plex, unbuntu VM for website, shared folder for few computers to drop work doc's into. normally sits around 3-12% depending on what all running. Some insight would be great.
Thats a nice 730, I just added dual 20 core cpu's to my server and 256gigs ram ..
And that will still use less power than a low spec R710
@@JimtheITguy you bet it does !
I got an R710 (the one with 8x2.5 slots) for free. Dual E5649s, 32GB RAM, a 120GB SSD Sata, 500GB HDD Sata, alongside with a PCI-E to NVME adapter with a 512GB NVME on it (actually capable of reaching up to 1.2GB/s surprisingly on a windows vm). It is actually running proxmox 8.1.4. I was looking at some R730s on ebay so it is kinda funny I found your video. But where I reside, the electricity bill is not really that a concern and also my gaming machine consume way more power than both the R730 and R710 running together at full blast. But I see the point I was gonna swapp those E5649s for X5690s, put 144GB of RAM and add 3 more nvmes that I would have software raid0 to get around 5GB/s for my VMs. But now your video made me even reconsider more my project. I just think that getting an R730 and just max it out would be a way better idea at this point.
H700 can support 10TB drives without issues, and it shows up at 10TB drives (9.31TB formatted). I had 94TB raw total in a R510 with an H700 (6x8tb + 2x10tb).
Also, the R710 did have a proper x16 riser. PN# OGP347
Typical find in an 11th gen thats in any homelab use is probably using dual x5670's. the x55's are absolute garbage in comparison, that you might as well be using a 9th gen R2950ii
I’ve used 12tb disks without any problems. The perc 6i, on the other hand, is a piece of trash. But you can upgrade very easily for a few dozen bucks.
thank you, helped me doge a bullet for sure.
nowerdays a 13th gen i5 gets 24k cinebench points.
running VMs on E-cores sounds kinda dumb though
sadly there aren't any power efficient, affordable cpus that dont rely on E-cores
That is a great idle consumption !! One of my r730 has Tesla p40 and idles at 98 other R730 without the Tesla idles at 154 ...ugh. R730's have really come down in price ....it is a great time to be serving! The old servers are only good now for running a project over a weekend or similar!
Hmmm this throws up some interesting questions about what I should do with all the supermicro and IBM X5600 CPU series servers I have been hoarding, not to mention the old Mac Pros (5, 1) on the same chips. And should I even go pick up the Dell R7610 available to me? Maybe there's a good reason I'm getting all these old beasts for free haha!
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@@deepspacecow2644 hahaha yes! For what it's worth, I've been mucking around with the E5-2600 series Dells, but the X5600 stuff should probably go.
@@sydneylivecameraI just got into homelabbing, went straight into v4 xeons. Probably will end up exactly like the x5600 users in a few users trying to justify my power sucking platform lol.
@@deepspacecow2644 It's likely! I'm only learning in that area, so these aren't running regularly. If it comes to them running 24/7 it will need to be newer stuff. For running a livestream (which i do) these would do a good job and I'd be pleased by the ECC memory, but heat noise and electricity-money makes them impractical - I've already moved from an old i7 to
I've upgraded my R720 to R730 by replacing the motherboard and RAID controller. I had my R720 for a long time and I got the motherboard for cheap and two 14 Core CPUs for mine (2697 V3) and this is a lot better than the R720
I didn't get the R730 when I got my R720 cause it was way too pricey at that time.
UK prices for 13th gen servers have dropped alot recently they are now a very sensible choice, sounds like you have an R729 😂
Random question, could I stick an R730 mobo in an R710 chassis?
@@davidmccolm8782 No. R710 and R730 are way completely different. The iDRAC port is lower in a R710 Chassis vs R720's and the 4 network ports are wider in R720 vs R710 chassis.
@@benzenegaming3199 Thanks, full upgrade it is :)
Can you explain on how to virutalize multiple server as single server
Create a cluster with an hypervisor such as Proxmox VE
Would the 730 be suitable for a very small business or should we diy for newer hardware or just pay more for newer servers? Are old aervers like this only suitable for home testing/learning.
For business I would always recommend go as new as possible, consider what you need and maybe look at smaller but newer so R240/250 for a good small server
and R730 with the 3.5:" bays, lower end processor, and mucho ram is wonderful for truenas
Combine it with a MD1200 for a couple hundred bucks...
Jim, i don't know how you get them numbers but my 730 is not dropping below 170w at idle. Any ideas ?
What power management mode are you running? What OS?
@@JimtheITguy I'm running proxmox with 3vms running , and i got the 750w PSU (only one plugged in)
@@JimtheITguy Hi mate, the server was on Performance for Watt (DAPS) , change it to to performance per watt (OS) and no difference. im trying now custom settings with power efficiency. Any tips to reduce the consumptions ? on idle will stay at 182w.
@@Kalixeswhat are your pcie device add-ons and what hdd are plugged in?
My 720xd still busting ass
I have no issues running 12tb HD's in my Dell R710...easy peasy....or a graphics card for that matter.
i noticed you have R710 with 64GB RAM compare to R730 only 32GB RAM, the more RAM of course will consume more power.
i had two of R610 each only draw around 100W-120W (32GB RAM each). I also have HP DL360 Gen9 which is equivalent to Dell 13th Gen, but it consume around 160W at idle.
The difference is minimal with these 2, alot more memory will up the power but still nowhere near enough to make an 11th gen not be a space heater, it's the architecture changes that really do the most to make the newer systems use less power
@JimtheITguy I agreed with that, I still prefer 1u over 2U due to it weight and less power consumption. The one I really impressed that on your video is the R230, the lowest power consumption I ever seen 😉
I would check with art of server. I am able to run 6tb drives without issues with it mode flashed card with unraid
You can mess with the Perc and flash it into IT mode, but out of the box it doesn't support more than 2TB, but 11th gen kit is still a terrible choice now,
@@JimtheITguy I understand your thoughts for me it keeping a use for the server I power it up quarterly for my cold back up. Omv and true nas keep these out of landfill and have some use
@@plexnbrown760 getting it recycled would be a kinder use, saves them having to fire up another generator at the power station when you return in on 😂
@@JimtheITguy oh I am not trying to convince you at all. Just saying that those that like to tinker still can with these boxes and challenge themselves to creatively alter. It’s a different part of home lab’ing
I have DL360p G8 With 2xE5-2680 v2
I have one to test at some point and will add to the list, power useage will be a bit higher than a R730 I would guess
@@JimtheITguy in my case 370W full load 70w idle 33 standby
Why didn't the fans go bonkers when the R710 was under full load?
I have an issues with my current server Dell R710 😅
Have you tried to run exactly the same workload on both and compute power usage over the same exact work? Instant power usage at load x duration
If you do it right, its heating your house in the winter.
There is no fan on these servers ?This is so quite
The power of noise reduction
Dude, you do know that you can run only one CPU, right?
Yup and the r730 is still miles more efficient, more up to date, more compatible and more secure
@@JimtheITguy whats the idle consumption in watts while it's turned on?
"don't buy this server", shows generic Dell server, "buy this server", shows the same generic Dell server.
don't get any of these old dinosaurs is the best advice - get a older 6th gen desktop or build something even newer and save money plus enjoy way better performance without the jet engine fans
True - but... reliability... (might not seem important to some for a home lab, but for me it is)
@@MatSmithLondon enjoy the jet engine sounds, enjoy the massive power bill, enjoy the cost and proprietary parts - as for reliability getting refurb 4th gen for cheap you can get 3 or 4 for the same price as a r720 and they will be even more reliable knucklehead - they are simpler machines and this means more reliable in most cases and cheaper to fix or just replace - everything breaks even 'enterprise' gear
@@shephusted2714 4th gen? Are you talking about XEON procs, if so what does that have to do with the discussion? On that subject I have 2x 12-core procs (v4) and they cost peanuts. I really have no clue what you are talking about to be honest. I don't have an R720. I have an R530 which is a later gen, and the generation this video is referring to. Re the "jet engine noise", are you sure about that?! 13th gen Poweredges are silent as a mouse. Did you even watch this video?! As for calling people knuckleheads online, whatever floats your boat mate - but are you practicing for a time-travel gig to the 1950s, or did your vocabulary just get stuck in a poodle skirt?
That is not true, the R710 is still used in the field today, my previous job had 8 R710s in a cluster which was used in production. Power consumption is what is it. wish people would stop moaning about Power Consumption. If you're worrying that much then use a VPS instead or PC hardware! Servers use Power it is what is in fact those R710s are more reliable than some latest servers today.
Well aware the R710 is still in use in production, there are 2900/2600 series in production still, but for home use power consumption in the modern world should be considered, especially when you can get something vastly more efficient for the same money and not have to deal with the limited functions of these older servers.
@@JimtheITguy why care about power consumption for home use? it cost 2$ dollars a month to run a r710. unless you run dozens of server you shouldn't worry. also I would like to know where do you buy ddr4 servers for the same price as ddr3 servers?
Edit: well I finished the video and saw that you pay over 1 euros per DAY just for an idle r710. that's crazy. I did not realize how ridiculous the price of electricity was in some countries. I only pay 0.03/kwh here.
@@realmasterkush it's not cheap to run some things here any more unfortunately, cheap servers can be found here on eBay with a little bit of patience
@@realmasterkushI guess some of us don’t like wasting money. You do you, rich guy. 😂
@@realmasterkushthat would be impossible to pay for in Austria o.O the cheaper „night price“ is still about 0.38 €/ kWh here 🥲
This server is running Windows server... 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for your work but this sounds like a joke... 😮 Isn't one ??😢🤨
Er yeh, it’s an enterprise server