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Careful. Kids are contagious. It could end up a classic case of "we're gonna need a bigger boat"!
Thanks Kika and Dan
My dad was sent to Cochabamba, Bolivia to teach radio to Indigenous enlisted soldiers of the Army. W2FFM found out the equipment needed to be in regular contact with Panama. He was also able to relay traffic from other missions that put him in a position to request any non-functional equipment he could include in his classes. He started radio when his older brother became fascinated with Marconi's wireless trans-Atlantic message to France.
The mission chief lent him his C-130 for a month to collect all the things that needed to be repaired. Chief among them was a burned-out generator (just like the one often mentioned in MASH). So my job was to strip and "tin" wires of various sizes that he cut to length for various components. One day the skip (bounce off the ionosphere) was perfect for a couple-minute voice contact in England. many thousands of miles away. Cheers from Mr. Strip & Tin!
Well Done Dan and Kika, plus Kim and Sara. Great Work! 💫
I think "Sail Life" has the best most practical solar solution.
Disagree, Mas has a decent setup, but can only double his folded capacity.
This system can expand a lot more AND be mounted in other places where what Mas has can't.
It's not as simple a solution nor will it be THE solution for everyone, but I'm keeping my eyes on the project.
Disagree… Mads system is pretty innovative and I haven’t seen this before. I am struggling to see the point/innovation here. We have foldable panels and we have rail mounted panels. I suppose we don’t have panels that fold like this but the current foldable panels accomplish the same goal.
@@SVEverydaysailor not saying Mad's setup up isn't good or innovative, just that it's not "the best".
What if you don't have or can't fit an arch to mount the panels above the cockpit?
Can Mad's solution be mounted on the sides of the boat and take up minimal space like this folding system?
Project Atticus used flexible panels on a soft dodger and a couple of rigid panels mounted to their side rails that they tied up to face the sun when at anchor, a folding panel setup up like this would have perfect for their old boat.
I'm also not saying that origami panels are the best or most innovative, but I can see that they have some very good potential and I think an see situations where they may be ideal for the main source of solar or for additional solar without turning every single surface of the deck into a solar panel.
Mads setup has a lot less electrical connections between the panels to worry about. And it seems to have a much more sturdy mechanical design, too. The solar wing needs less storage space, but might not be as reliable - not even in it’s final version. Anyway, I’d definitely give the solar wing design a thumbs up for the creative idea!
Both solutions are interesting. I prefer Mads’ as well. However, when technology allows, I would like to see roll up solar panels. Unfurl them like a porch canopy. We have foldable LCD screens… Why not these?
I have a weather station installed on the top ridge of my house. I didn't want to ever have to go up there to change the batteries but I knew they would die eventually. So I bypassed the battery box in the device and hardwired it back down to an external battery pack inside the house.
I know sail boats are different but i cant imagine why you couldn't do the same. It seems like the kind of easy project that provides massive convince that you seem to enjoy.
That being said, you have enough DC electrical systems on your boat that it is well within your capability to hard wire it to your system and eliminate the battery entirely and eliminate any need to ever go up to the top of the mast for a battery change again.
Even my wireless Ring doorbell has a small solar charge assist to its battery. Might be simple to stick something onto the masthead to augment
Just a thought…
Awesome idea, hope it all comes together for you all.
Merry Christmas to you both, all the best for 2023 from Scotland. ⛵💚
I spied a green hulled Pacific Seacraft at anchor with a couple of cool Buds that just had their own baby girl... Well done on your solar baby, cheers Kika & Dan! 🌞😎
My wife just spotted Atticus too :)
Yes, I have spottet it too :-)
If you watch their channel, you’d already have a spoiler.
I like the man's optimism the more challenging the better the results that's what I'm going to have to remember
I’m a long time subscriber and I have enjoyed and complimented you on your adventures many times in the comments (you can look that up). It’s maybe just me, but I don’t think this new solar array business you’re proposing is going to add to the successful format that you have enjoyed. Just my opinion. Best regards and Merry Christmas.
I think it's about diversifying income, the UA-cam algorithm can be fickle so having a second source of income is definitely a good idea, plus I think it's very complimentary to their minimal impact ethos.
@@andrewfidel2220 good point. I guess it depends on the demographic they’re shooting for. If they want customers more than followers. It bores me so I’ll probably ditch it if it persists. It seems to be kind of an infomercial there at the end.
LOL pre-soldering leads is called 'tinning' and the easier way is to lock the solder in position, place the tip of the lead on the solder, and heat the lead above the solder. When the lead gets hot enough to melt the solder, it will tin the lead perfectly. To protect the plastic insulation, hold the lead with a heavy set of pliers (as a heat sink). But you got the job done, so it must have been done correctly :)
Kika's right. If it works on a sailboat, it will work anywhere. Wonderful concept. And I'm sure the Greek Sea Sirens can't wait to flap their wings when you deploy your panels. Nothing like the ocean environment to test you best thoughts. I crew on a 36' Junk Rigged schooner. We're electric driven screw and fixed panels for the house bank. I certainly recognize your challenges and wish you the best. Very impressive and we anxiously await the trials. I told my captain to view this Step!
Brilliant innovative project as ever involving you 2... future versions with small electric motors opening them automatically immediately come to mind of course! Outstanding!
What a great addition to the crew the children make and they are beautiful and help to lighten the climate aboard. Oh, save me a plate of the Norwegian Pasta, please.
Wow! Leading us through another adventure. Thank you.
This is a great design. Much can certainly be simplified when it comes to details. Perhaps it is possible to manufacture sails that also function as solar cells. It may be in the future, but why not use the mast and rigging when the boat is moored. I wish you a happy new year!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! and lots of sun for your project
What did you use to paint your chain and anchor black? Looks great, like it was dipped? I’ll look here for your answer.
Nice vid, Surprised you've not changed the current panels to those bifacial ones to get the reflection from the water bit more efficient.
A few months ago, I mentioned that your passage looks like place to expect vikings coming out of the cold northern mist. Now, specifically that shot at 11:18 seems like the setting from someone coming back home from the war against Troy. You're having a fun life. Thank you.
there are carbon fibre fabric hinges, maybe that could replace traditional hinging systems. i just went to their website. was surprised to see that it is a 300 watt panel, wasnt expecting that much. For the folded dimensions one can still get 4x 80 watt semi flexible panels make then fold/telescope into one piece for less than your thicknesses, given that flexible panels are 4 mm thick. this is a cool concept but im afraid the final cost will keep any diy person away from it
Merry Christmas & HNY 2023! Bout time someone did this n happy it involves y'all. Right up the architect alley, simple solutions to benefit the masses. BRAVO 👏
Nice idea , keeps the brains working as well as more solar.😊
Merry Christmas from Mexico , Feliz Navidad !🎅
I am excited for you guys getting involved with these amazing innovating projects, and your boat was always kinda high tech, now it is NASA grade 😂!! Keep up the good work!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and Happy Sailing 🙂
Love your channel. I’m not sure about this one for a sailboat. Seems like too many points of failure. If you’re troubleshooting a problem, you’re going to be there a while. Go to shore and be away from the boat when the wind kicks up…. Stowed or not, you’ll be thinking about them. Fixed panels seem much more wind/sea resistant. Sorry for being negative. 😢
I’m so so excited for this project! Congratulations guys! Happy Holidays to you both! ❤❤
Very exciting stuff! The evolution of solar is more promising every day, and you're part of it.
Interesting concept. It would appear to be a bit to floppy for a boat environment but a good candidate for RV or other mobile operations. I look forward to seeing the performance of the production version and how it performs on Uma. Another great video and thanks for sharing the innovation and entrepreneurial spirit of exploring a new concept for solar panel construction. Cheers!
Of course. It’s very floppy right now. That’s why it’s just the first prototype. Lots of work being done to solve all the issues we found.
@@SailingUma Understood - its the first prototype - you had mentioned that as well as work to tighten up the final design. It would have been more fair to have added that to my comment which has been done.
Congrats y’all on your solar panel design, much success!
The idea is fabulous, and yet, when it comes to weather they had closed down 2 bridges due to poor design Port Mann, Alex Fraser bridges closed due to ice bombs, winter conditions so might want to make some sort of casing to protect from extreme weather issues. It's a fabulous idea though. So happy you designed it! All the best in 2023!
Hi from nearby Squamish
Solar product design seems to be a natural fit and makes for some interesting episodes.
Looks awesome to me. Side note, I was whistling along at the end of the video without even thinking it, I completely nailed it. 😁
I loved this episode, you guys are pioneering new tech, very exciting! Please keep showing how this project is coming along, as the data come in.
I love this! Well done, guys.Thanks for sharing this tech adventure. So many applications.
Try a piano hinge vs individual hinges. Love where you guys are headed!
The individual hinges probably weigh a lot less.
that was fascinating love you guys and all you produce
Fascinating. Your DIY projects are my favorites.
Innovative idea hope it works out and not to fragile , envy you your weather there compared with us in UK at the moment , with all best wish's for Christmas and new year.
Good system for campers and it looks great for marketing, personally I use bifacial panels which work well on the water due to reflectivity and can be retracted (slide) for lowering profile while rough sailing.
This is actually interesting. Been thinking to integrate as much unfoldable solar as possible for my boat as well.
So far so good, Merry Christmas you guys!
Thank you for sharing. Have a great Holiday and stay safe.🙂🙂
The problem is one of gravitational forces impacting the various angles of the fold. Spacecraft orbiting the planet are in a state of constant free fall negating those forces so fold out panels have little to no force being applied to them once in position. You would have to find a rigid locking system for the joints.
Not dealing with orbital velocities at ground level. Non factor for anything less than colossal size projects--and I mean COLOSSAL .
Well, it will work for awhile, but the salt will kill them withinh 6 months to a year. Very good idea, but no commercial potential. Much fun onv😂nting stuff and watching. I have so many similar efforts over the years and learn alot. We all learn alot warch to.
@Buzz kill9000 orbital velocity and zero velocity are the same thing in terms of forces. Its acceleration that makes the difference
Merry Christmas Dan and Kika, may the New Year be full of love, joy, good health wealth, and many grand adventures
I know the topic is most about the solar wing but I’m always looking over your boat lol. I noticed your chain and anchor is so black looking now? It almost looks anodized or something? (I also have a Pearson) and love it 😊
It’s galvanized. And galvanized things get dark when used a lot in sea water.
Great idea for all kind of other vehicles, from EV's to e-bikes (with or without a trailer). Would also be a good shade for a camper.
Happy New Year Kika and Dan…..can’t wait for your adventures in 2023.
27:20 Seems that if you oriented the cells as you have done on the 4 outside triangles (i.e. aligned with the non-diagonal edges), you'll have a fraction more surface area than oriented as you have them on the inner triangles (ie. aligned along the diagonal). All the "white space" will be along the diagonal...which is shorter than the sum of the other two sides.
I'm a little jealous, sailed so often around Mallorca - but at my visits there were always westerly winds so that coast was a no go - very little protected. You found a very nice place.
That bath time reminded me of taking a bath as a small child in a pop up camper sink back in the 70’s.
Well done Dan n kika! Another very INTERESTING video! The amount of things you make, build etc is perhaps from going to architecture school! I see alot of houses designed by architects in my line of work but tbh it's an absolute nightmare to clean these windows hahaha just thought you'd enjoy a different perspective on houses n their windows.... mind you this is an opinion in W.A., AUSTRALIA 🇦🇺, which means other countries could have better house designs etc.
What about making flexible panels that can float when you at anchor, just through them out on the water.
Great video!!
Wishing you both a Happy Christmas! 🎄
Interesting to see how this project turns out. Happy Holidays!,
I would advise to have shrouds, wire frame to make the whole stiff when extended. The pannel sits at the outside of the boat where the acceleration is most. It will be so much more rigid and with the correct selection of poles and lines the whole would still be light wight and foldable. Amazing videography as always
Very cool. Good luck with this. You guys are amazing.
Cool. I did a ton of work on miura based folding systems in architecture school
Good sense of humor. 🙂
Brilliant! Keep the dream, and thanks!
Looks like a really good idea, best of luck 👍
I wonder first about the way your video opened night sailing. Do you already use, or think that getting night visions devices would help in that regard? Or would you consider them unnecessary? Our tactical night flight operations are almost completely dependent on NVGs now. Second, like I’ve remarked before, I think you’re both amazing for the projects you tackle. And partnering on projects with other folks. Amazing stuff. The array folding into more compact kits is the dream, no? We have a Bluetti system for emergencies, our stand alone gazebo patio and we take it with our camper also. Love it. Powers the fun stuff and serves as a back up/supplemental system to our Generac home system. But the three folding arrays are quite heavy and the single fold “portfolio” packing still has them as large as a giant suitcase. And pretty heavy. I’m sure the tech will get there though. Lighter, folding more compactly, and getting to at least to 50 percent efficiently would turn the public acceptance on its ear. Great video.
We too have had mixed results with wireless masthead wind transducers. They now and then drop their link with the under deck receiver and as always, at the most inconvenient moment. Among other, LED drivers generate a lot of radio noice blocking not only FM reception but also radio links between instruments. The only disadvantage with a wired connection is one more cable down the mast and at least the Garmin end connectors are awfully fragile, expensive and difficult to source.
I press all my thumbs and wish you good luck for this project.
I would like to say thank you Uma, for the most beautiful and entertaining sailing channel in 2022 on YT. All your Content is realy worth winning any awards. And your shown seamanship skills are more than worthy of imitation.
I wish you peacefull times in the season, mery Christmas and a happy new Year.
You guys are amazing
I dig it when Dan gets into a project...
Love it, that you control the system with a Rasperry Pi. One of my favourite toys. 😁
you heated the wire connectors to seal them but in my electrical experience you will get longer lasting connections with some added shrink wrap over the whole butt connector... had to edit... great job!!!
They’re already waterproof. They have a glue inside that melts and seals out water.
@@SailingUma been retired for 20 yrs... never had seen those!
GOOD for YOU MERRY Christmas
I spy an Atticus in that anchorage! 😊
So did somebody else
Don't upload to the cloud. Just write your data to a .csv file & graph it with open office calc. Two columns: time, voltage. And when you're ready you'll have all that data you can share on the cloud or on social media. And if you use a 64GB sd card you'll never have to worry about running out of storage space. And it'll be so much simpler and you'll get immediate feedback on your progress. I bet you guys can write a few lines of circuit python on a PI. Because it is "Easy as PI". :)
why have a dog and bark yaself ?? Cloud is the way for EVERYTHING these days
I just imagine like a camper van. Instead of having rolling tent for shade, you can have a solar. I think that the idea is very cool
Keep plugging away at it. With each attempt you will either get close or learn something. I've considered using an inflatable dock with solar panels secured to it while at anchor. lol. But currently I just have a little Catalina 22 and no robust railings.
The power output is small. On a Van or Boat smaller foldable panels are still best choice. Folding systems are cheap and available. Problem with this type is lack of output. I will still chose solar trackers with smaller panels for max output. Have fun with the project 😉. Mary Christmas 🎄
Very neat project
That kid needs to get a paten on that solar panel design. This young man is on to something big.
Hmmm, but could I squeeze it onto a 26ft Contessa? I'll have a good go! It looks awesome.
Hi guys, been following the origami solar progress. Seems that unlike paper the units can't support themselves. I'm sure it been thought of before but a few ideas come to mind.
1. like origami cant the whole structure be made of one piece of foldable plastic. This will still need support though.
2. flattened umbrella easily assembled and can have a base insread of a handle
3 a plastic under panel flexible but can be inflated by air or even water which could lower the heat of the units and also provide hot water on board.
Any I enjoy the channel
I like the idea of air and/or water pressure based load carrying structures. That starts me thinking about natures solutions, plants, leaves, trees, cellular methods, ... I'm thinking tethers from above, that can also be used to control tracking and even carry power/data, perhaps with tether below to keep it taught( like up/down hauls, preventers, ...). Might be interesting to use the stays as well as part of the solar rigging...
@@georgemacdonald8899 yes agreed but on a boat you need to get the panels up and down asap. Straps and tethers could get complicated. The air/water base could have inflatable struts/triangles built in then all that's needed would be to clip the panel where needed on cleats gunwhale etc.
@@sjo800 I was thinking that the "dynamic solar harvesting" would end up being like the "wind harvesting", i.e. require a careful attentive eye on it and easily deployed/withdrawn. The active rigging on a boat comes to mind as a well tried and true method. Lines(tethers) to control the power of the sails... In this case though, we now have inexpensive embedded computers that can supplement(replace?) the human monitoring/attention... Kite string/lines are bred for the lightest/strongest control lines that I can think of, perhaps those could be used with auto retraction like a seat belt, with a quick clip in... Something like, Clip in the panel to a side rail/mount; pull down lines from above and clip to panel' release the panel to let it deploy; pull up on hold lines from below and clip in... I like the water idea for harvesting the heat though, so would like to see what your talking about tried as well. Was also wondering if spinnaker poles could be used, perhaps modified like collapsible antennae, or hiking sticks... They might be able to transfer the heated water....
@@georgemacdonald8899 George I understand your methodology re lines, spinnaker poles or other strand attachments and they might work, but I feel the whole point of all your hard work is to produce equipment that can be setup and collapse easily without taking up too much real-estate particularly on a boat. From what I can see you are up against the static panel market and more worryingly the roll out type systems. If the idea is that this setup would suit your needs only then it's worth thinking about, however commercially the setup proceeded could be a stumbling block. Could the panels be arranged in a fan shape that you simply spread out, each one slightly overlapping the other to help support, then you would only need to support the centre by a pole to a fitting on the boat or even hang it from anywhere like an upside down umbrella which could be moved around easily.
Just thoughts.
Good luck
At first I didn’t see the point of over complicating folding panels but after seeing how it could work it makes more sense.
A Happy Christmas to you both. Really interesting video. I am also working on a new type of solar panel. So I am keen to see how this one comes out.
I used to have. A game that you could fold just like the solar panels. that was held together with thick fishing wire. It was a rectangle in the inspection of solar panels. And that was in the late 80's. I don't remember what it's called? But it is the same principle as these solar panels. Greetings from Spakenburg, the Netherlands.
It is very easy to turn a boat on anchor or buoy into the swell and safe it from rolling side to side: Take a long line and fix it right in front of the boat on the anchorchaine using a knot witch can not slip. Then take this line on one side of the boat very loose and outside the boat to a cleat on the back of the boat. Fix it on the backcleat without tensioning it. Than let more anchor chaine go out. The boat turns very smoothly into any position and can be stopped at any angel you want. It ist fixed in a save triangle built of chaine and line. To turn back, just winch up in the anchor chaine.
On a buoy this works similarely. You just have to take a longer line to the buoy. I often practiced this method to get fresh wind from behind on a hot caribean anchorspot. This works much better than any windcatcher mounted over the front hatch.
White spirit is the Magical cleaner for Sika flex. It will even clean it when its gone dry!.
Interesting project and to be honest I'm surprised that some NASA contracting company doesn't already have this for off the shelf use. Thanks for sharing it and please continue to post. Very interested to acquire something like this.
Eco flow does a good 48V fold out PVC system, I store mine in the lazerette and am experimenting with securing it on top of the existing 12v 100w x2 panels mounted on a frame at the stern, just using the old panels as a structure. I need 48v for the electric motor.
Sorry to be pedantic but in this video and some others you say you are “tacking”’when I think you mean you are “beating”.
Very Cool project! A couple of questions. What's the goop at 14:45? It looks like you dip the end of a tinned wire into it then crimp a connector pin to it. I assume its some sort of anti corrosion jell that allows conductivity to the crimped pin. At 22:16 "Kim?" mentions something your connecting to that is unintelligible to me. What is it?
If I understood right your wind indicator is battery powered and the battery is within the instrument that you mounted at the top of your mast. I was just wondering if you ever considered putting wires down through your mast soldering them in to your battery connections and then put a battery box and a much more readily available spot or figure out how to reduce voltage by stepping it down so we can run off your normal power.
If we’re running wires down the mast, we’d just get a wired wind sensor. This is supposed to be an easier solution since it’s solar charged. But we got the very first one. And it’s had some problems they’ve apparently fixed since then.
@@SailingUma Yes that is of course the other option it just cost more. Of course remember mine is just free advice whether you take it or not it is totally up to you. It’s not like I’ve ever really know unless you told me so happy boating😎
Happy Xmas and new year folks
Love this! Big fan of solar.
9:53 is this a new anchor chain? Looks very slick in all black. What kind of treatment did you have on it? Does it help with the corrosion/maintenance?
Nope. Just old galvanized chain. When it’s wet and salty it can look black.
Merry Christmas Kika and Dan🎅🎅🎅🤝🤝
I would have thought a stern anchor would keep your bow into the swell and make that anchorage far more tenable. Loving the solar project, shows tremendous potential, especially for those of us who are not fans of hanging solar panels all over the boat.
Would have. But we don’t have a stern anchor.
You should get some van-life Chanels to try out the second run. Like a boat the roof of a van is limited on the real estate that can be used for solar panels.
Looks like for your crimps around 20 mins, you're using dielectric grease and solder on your crimps, have you found the solder neccessary best practice? I work in automotive and have found dielectric grease a god send for connections that may get damp.
The solder was for the panel connection. In the HS crimps we just is dielectric grease and crimp.
Amazing! Your channel is unique and always inspiring... but, is the convenience of all this extra solar like a couch in a house? Question: Did I see Atticus 2 in the background?
I like the way those panels fold up. But I would try and find a way to use them on a floating foam raft. Like what people use in Miami sand bars. The reason is the area is so much larger than what you can attach to the boat.
Cool design guys! Of course, the principle difference being that the satellites are in space and dont have to contend with gravity. But you know that. I see no shame in there being a "web" of a few thin support wires from above.
This will work if it rests on a supporting surface. (with fixing points)
Don't expect it deployed and stay deployed in the mid air.
Origami solar panels work in the space because there are no wind and no gravity.