'We can now understand just how bad it is': 70 miles in the Darien Gap
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Award winning journalists Caitlin Dickerson and Lynsey Addario traveled to a 70 mile stretch of mountainous jungle terrain called the Darien Gap that has long been considered dangerous and nearly impassable.Today, the Darien Gap is a common route for hundreds of thousands of migrants from all over the world traveling north in hopes of making it to the United States. The United Nations estimates that roughly 800-thousand people may attempt to cross the Darien Gap this year alone. Many of them are children.
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#Dariengap #travel #Migrants
This is just a snapshot of what it takes to survive this, risk everything, journey in search of a better life. Working in a packing plant, field, or any other job most Westerners consider horrible, is paradise compared to what they endure.
Why then don't they risk everything to stay and make their countries better? I get wanting better. Many groups in the US hard it hard, but they didn't flee. They stayed and fought for their rights. They blame the US for the turmoil in their countries, which may be true, but they come to the place that enables their poor conditions.
Just imagine that people from 'lunatic asylums' and 'drug addicts' are fit enough to tackle this,
The former head of Venezuela released lunatics and felons from his jails and sent them across the border to the United States. You have to understand that the people you were talking about now in Congress are members of the Biden administration. As members of our Democratic Party we control 2/3 of government operations.
The people you are referring to are members of the Biden administration. Are you sure you want to refer to them this way?
@@brianfreeman8290 : 1) They're not "drug addicts" but too often drug smugglers, dealers, mules, and cartel contacts looking to establish even more in America. I say this because Hawai'i has 60,000 illegal Mexican/South Americans here in recent years and so is the rise in Sinaloa and other drug cartel presence, which we never had before. 2) Even if they're all doctors and engineers, they still can't illegally come into our country whenever they want. (Even regular tourists have to go through some background check.) Not to mention, the effing Karen attitude bypassing everyone else in the world who applied to immigrate legally and are waiting.
@@pohanahawaii _“Even regular tourists have to go through some background check.”_
No… they don't… dullard.
@@pohanahawaii I was plagiarising the Orange Mutant.
It's an incredible article. I've met quite a few migrants in my life. Most of them wished they could have remained in their native land, but conditions made it practically impossible. But none of the people I have known had such a terrible ordeal to go through to get there. These people who went via the Darién Gap are amazingly determined and strong. Given a helping hand to get started, I'd bet they will become great new citizens, whether they remain in the US or come further north, up here to Canada. Thanks, Velshi, for introducing us to the two wonderful women who made the journey with them and wrote such a solid piece about it.
That determination and strength would better be used to make their countries better.
@@GeeBee212😂😂😂😂 seriously
People who endure such challenges, fight for their freedom and a life worth
living, are worthy of the title of a human being. They will work hard not to lose that what was so hard to achieve.
The people who emigrated from Europe to America built a country, the US
After WW2, Germans worked hard to make a country worth living in and built
an astounding economy, they started from practically nothing.
People who have their freedom and throw it away for a narcissistic, psychopathic maniac, who wants to be a dictator, are architects of their own downfall and
will later regret it..
@@GeeBee212 I see your point but I dunno... I would have the strength to work hard to make life better for my children, spouse, neighbours, community, etc, but I'm sure I'm not made of what it takes to be part of the organised takedown of a murderous regime or powerful gangs.
@@johngodley256 There are numerous examples here of immigrants who make our life better. Like the restaurant owners who step up and feed the community when wildfires or storms strike, or donate needed supplies from their stores. People who volunteer for the homeless or at food banks. Or at the top of the chain, the young guy in Toronto who buys up desirable green land and donates it to a national conservancy so it will never be developed.
Ali Velshi has really stepped up and brought content to MSNBC that really makes it stand out from other U.S. "news" outlets in a positive way! Interesting and important reporting!
You spelled BSdnc wrong
@@jkang3882What's wrong with this segment in your opinion? You have better knowledge?
@@jkang3882 Please, do elucidate your thoughts on this article, in a manner better befitting a _“poorly educated”_ 11-year-old. Use your limited vocabulary.
@@MelioraCogito LOL "elucidate" great word. I don't think I've ever seen that word actually used before - bravo. So, are you saying you have the mentality of a poorly educated 11 year old? I did my best to use the simplest words possible. Did I succeed in coming down to your level? I eagerly await your reply
@@ermaek2145 Actually I don't even listen to the garbage on bsdnc anymore as I feel my IQ dropping with each word they say
Thank you for reporting this. It’s frightening what families with their children go through in this deadly gap to freedom for their children.
To think that you can deter people who are ready to go through the Darien gap is just nonsense. That level of grit in itself should be considered a winning resume. Just imagine what these people would do for the US economy if only given a chance.
🙄 How bad can Darien Gap be if THOUSANDS of inexperienced people, including pregnant women and children, can pass through it every day? Compared to *2650-mile Pacific Crest Trail* or *2100-mile Appalachian Trail,* 70-mile Darien Gap isn't really that rough.
@@pohanahawaii Let us know how your trip is. oh wait youre just a keyboard warrior. be careful, that maga brain rot is a serious medical condition
@@pohanahawaii Those are actual trails that have been made to travel on, i doubt you'll have to cling to the side of rock on the PCT or Appalachian Trail.
Absoltely!
@@pohanahawaii Oh look, another Internet expert here...
Thank you for the time and effort you put into this story. It’s absolutely horrific to watch, but makes me want to help. 😢
I look forward to reading this article...thank you for the nuance and complexity during this interview.
thanks Ali.
stay human, everybody ✌🏾
Scotland nearly went bust as a nation after sending a disastrous expedition to the Darien Gap.
True. England had to bail them out. May have been a big factor in the Acts of Union and "Great Britain".
@@andrewstevenson118 Yup. Another vital example of geopolitics going wrong for the sake of territorial gains.
@@nick5062 I suspect it was more about money rather than colonisation, but maybe that's the same thing.
@@andrewstevenson118 Same thing. Scotland had watched as major European players took possession of various parts of the New World, and thought "well we'll tale the Darien Gap, no one else wants it, and we'll control the economic and geographical crossroads". But nature said "bzzzzz, nah", and they all died from malnutrition, malaria, cholera, etc.
For more details read a book called 1493. It is a great book with a huge amount to information that ties together our world experience. I cannot recommend it enough.
Years agoI read the book “Enrrique’s Journey”. It woke me to the dangers of migrating children. This new evidence is even more heartbreaking and shameful!
Thank you for reporting about this harsh reality of migration. Governments need to work with each other to stop these manipulation of desperate people.
This is a very serious and eye opening video with many disturbing facts. I think it is high time to deal with the drug cartels and criminal elements south of the border that are creating this refuge crisis in the first place.
People would be less likely to flee their countries in dire desperation if their countries were stable and prosperous.
It is time for an Americas Plan. A comprehensive development plan for the Entire South American Continent that would uproot the narco-trafficking economy and replace it with one that can sustain and prosper its people.
If South America does well so does the North. There won't be any refugees seeking asylum because the reasons for doing so would no longer exist.
It would be helpful if the United States wasn't such a lucrative consumer base for the drug cartels.
@@Carol-ql6fugood point my friend! It takes two to tango.
Excuse me sir...I did farm work as a teenager in Canada...I never made $150 dollars in a Summer, let alone in a day, as you appear to suggest that an illegal immigrant has the opportunity to do in America.
canadian dollars though, and inflation. I mean when I was a kid a pound of ground beef was three and change in US, now it's seven and change. A pizza dough already made was a dollar. Now its 2.99. That was around 28 years ago.
@@AnimeShinigami13 Things are still quite a bit cheaper in America than in Canada, but inflation has been big in both places for sure.
For anyone to risk traveling through the Darien Gap, they must really be desperate to escape horrors in their home country.
🙄 How bad can Darien Gap be if THOUSANDS of inexperienced people, including pregnant women and children, can pass through it every day? Compared to *2650-mile Pacific Crest Trail* or *2100-mile Appalachian Trail,* 70-mile Darien Gap isn't really that rough.
I feel bad for them
Exactly, it's beyond anything I've ever heard of in my lifetime. They have to be desperate.
@@chrismagallanes8154 : 🙄 Don't care that they are desperate. Either apply to come here legally in an orderly manner like everyone else or not at all. Stop jumping the line and make a mockery of our compassion and generosity.
@pohanahawaii I agree to disagree, just pointing out the desperation and empathyi feel. Hopefully, congress will get together and formulate a real plan on immigration. It's ridiculous those that are legitimate and are seeking a better life suffer. Just my take on it and if you've ever been in a situation where you felt boxed in, maybe you'd feel a little different. Had to edit because I jumped the gun and didn't articulate correctly.
People left lifelong careers in South America, just to leave it all behind and come to America to become HOMELESS.
Careers? These people are poor and destitute. I doubt they had “careers” other than being fodder for their American (or Russian) backed despots. You reap what you've sown, America… 150-years of ‘Manifest Destiny’ is coming home to roost.
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_“I'm Pueblo/puebloan_ [sic] _/native in summer clan/tewa_ [sic] _/Lives in Ohkay Owingeh Pueblo on the Rez_ [sic] _in Northern New Mexico. Iam_ [sic] _also half Seneca/Iroquois Confederacy from the Cattergaus_ [sic] _Rez,_ [sic] _Irving_ [sic] _upstate_ [sic] _New York. My dads side is turtle clan_ [sic] _and they currently live there. That's how I got my last name_ [sic] _Gates.”_
Sure you are. You're also poorly literate and lazy.
So the question I have is are conditions at home that severe or is the MYTH of the American dream that pervasive.
We always so the life of the well to do never the life in Appalachias holler, the Rosebud reservation, the range, the urban decay...that never makes international news, only lady liberty and the promise allegedly of freedom.
And if thier country is so bad that our worst looks like an improvement, what can we do to help? The answer is not simply over running our economy.
We need a greater understanding of what starts the journey here.
@@jacobgates1986 : 🙄 What careers? Drug cartel? Most migrants don't even speak English after living in US for years.
@@mikjb 🙄 How about stupidity, overpopulation, greed, and corruption? All of which cheapens human life when quantity far exceeds quality.
@@pohanahawaii I talked about these and other things in other places.
The big story here is the utter failure of many Latin America countries to build viable societies that can offer a decent life to their inhabitants. Of course, there will be excuses about how the rich countries have exploited them etc etc....but mass migration from South America, Africa and some parts of Asia is one of THE big problems we have in the world today, along with climate change, war and the like ..... Some honesty is needed ......
If the US cared it would end the sanctions.
yeah, i have to agree. also, what the other person said about sanctions. there are some truly evil ones in effect. saw something on that a few years back.
Climate change alone will drive lots of migration even from one part of America to other parts of America.
The truth is the war on communism set back a lot of development In countries for years. The US gov would take out any President who was deemed socialist or communist
Hearing about Con's death is so heartbreaking. Rest in peace, sweet boy. How many have perished in their quest for a better life in the US? Panama and Columbia need to do more to shut these greedy porters and cartels down!
As if Border Czar Kamala cares...😂
😂 As if these Hispanic cartels cared about, well, Hispanics. If they did, their countries wouldn't have been such hot messes.
And it is SOOOO obvious that tRUMP cares...he torpedoed the first decent border deal so he could try to use it as campaign leverage...how's THAT working out for the marmalade Mussolini? You MAGA's need to wake up and smell the cesspool of a political party you have been suckered into. Grow a spine and FLUSH TRUMP and build a GOP that makes SENSE. He is a COWARD and a wanna be DICTATOR. There is NOTHING redeeming about him...
@ErnestTeeBass of course she cares. She certainly cares more about these people than Trump does. But it is not the US' responsibility to stop these cartels and porters from misleading these migrants and exploiting them. The governments of Panama and Columbia need to put and end to this.
Its such a shame they have not mentioned Panamas efforts to close the routes through the Darien gap..It an ongoing effort but that would not be sensational reporting to tell of positive work in Panama to stop the problem..
What part of the Panamanian troops destroying the makeshift rest camp (08:03), did you fail to comprehend?!? 🤔
Thank you for sharing. 😔
Thank you for committing journalism.
It continues to astonish me that they consider this easier than making America in their home countries.
This guy could read the bible and I would listen...
Must be why MSNBC's ratings are swirling around the drain...
How bout dose ratings PmsNBC?😂
@@ErnestTeeBass You misspelled ‘MAGAt’. Get an _‘edu-muh-cation’._
Some times it best to stay home and deal with it
Now imagine being so desperate that you would risk a trek like this with your children .
Superb reporting and i cant wait to read the article
So. sad..they trust america is a better country and we are not
The UA-camr 'Bald & Bankrupt' tackled this. Incredibly revealing.
Note that the Panamanian government and citizens are using scarce national resources to provide shelters, healthcare and transportation to these migrants. There is empathy for the migrants, but this is a US problem and Central America and Mexico are paying a high price as well.
What can we do to protect these families from the disinformation of the cartels?
The Darien Gap is still a really tough place.
this is one of the reasons we got involved in other countries. if they are all fkkd up, people are trying to get out, en masse. the US is only so big. you can't house the whole of the world here. i worry about the countries south of us and instability there that makes people flee. i didn't know people were coming to south america from abroad. :( everyone deserves to be safe and a good life. but it's also true that we can't support/host an outpouring of populations. even if we want to. food, housing, etc. i don't know what the answer is. but by god, we have to do something.
this is crazy and extreme - but like.... do we have to occupy some of these places, get the horrible leaders out and stabilize the regions so that people can LIVE there? idk. i just know we will come to a point where we can't hold any more. and what do we do then?
I am just gonna say that Sanctuary Cities are very much under appreciated. I serve Venezuelan Migrants everyday at my Gas Station. Furthermore, they always pay in cash, so I am ever so grateful that they're hard working people. I can only tell you that these people deserve our help. I am Pro-Amnesty for these Migrants. My home city has plenty of room for them.
If you don't want them here, I understand your position, and will not hold it against you, or anyone here. For me though, I want to help.
That I believe is THE question HOW do we help? WHAT help is needed. WHAT besides the basics do they need?
And we must be open to learning from everywhere we do not have a monopoly on good ideas.
I watched an excellent program about soil regeneration done in Cuba and of course there were the comments based on political ideologies. Which is silly because soil regeneration does not have a political agenda.
We needs solutions that work, putting any types of predjustices aside.
This is why over population is an ever and ongoing issue that will only magnify and become a self fulfilling prophecy with climate change.
There is not a one size fits all easy answer to this.
No we can not take everyone in but we must acknowledge the problem will not be solved simply by keeping everyone out either.
There are no easy answers.
These people must be desperate. Enduring that kind of trip shows a lot of moxie. The ones who make it sound like what we can use in this country. Let’s make a way legally get them in here.
Yep, ignore the homeless and poor in America and kiss up to the illegals. You must have voted for Tam Pon Timmy
Attribute that to bammy... Deal with their own conflict in their own country.
Take care of our own people that already struggle here. Giving our money to people here illegally is stupid.
@@fletcherreed3259 think even more than $10,000 in welfare and more than $5,000 in debit cards a month in New York City meanwhile they were regular people right in this neighborhood that can't get public assistance when they lose their job
🙄 How bad can Darien Gap be if THOUSANDS of inexperienced people, including pregnant women and children, can pass through it every day? Compared to *2650-mile Pacific Crest Trail* or *2100-mile Appalachian Trail,* 70-mile Darien Gap isn't really that rough.
I don't understand. Panama has a new policy made with the US to CLOSE the gap. Are they not doing it?
"we *marched *farther down"
English has changed a lot. This is less than a century after Shakespeare.
Sad and when they get to the States there is only low paying jobs!
I'm kinda mad that the cartels would lie and make it seem like the trail is safe. I'll never understand why scammers collect people's money only to provide half the promises they made. People deliver in paying you so why can't you deliver on your product? If you are selling guided voyages to the U.S. set your price and deliver. If you need more money to deliver on your product, then raise the mf price! It's better to honestly charge the necessary amount instead of lying and risking people's safety.
Is it not possible for those wanting to live in the US to just get a valid passport, cross the border, buy a black market social security card and then just stay here? That's what a friend of mine from Fiji did, minus the passport because she hid in the trunk of a car to cross the border, and she was able to find work here.
These refugees are true Olympians who deserve the US visa upon arrival.
They deserve visas if they entered the United States legally. They must be held accountable if they violated America’s immigration law. The first violation of America’s immigration and border security law is a misdemeanor, but subsequent violations are felonies. These foreign nationals must be held accountable if they violated American law.
Yeah, foreign nationals obeyed America’s immigration law, and entered the United States legally by law they should receive their entry paperwork. They violated America’s law they must be held accountable.
@@t.r.campbell6585We allow people to come for asylum.
Might as well extend the PanAmerican hwy through the Darein gap once and for all. Hindreds of years in the making so take control of this area. It will impact the drug trade and the cartel's hold over humam smuggling.
You do know that I know right?
So, who works?
I’m voting Biden no matter what
Pretty darn good report thank you……
lets be honest, no migrant is going to make $150 a day in America doing anything legal. No employer is going to pay them more than a few dollars an hour, so many are taken advantage of.
Watching someone read from a screen is great TV (that’s sarcasm, btw)
PELOSI - leader of pressure campaign or COUP D ETAT???
We are all one race- human.
And humans have since time began dividing themselves based on skin color, cultural beliefs and difference and geography.
Why do all these different foods, beliefs, clothing and langu9 come feom if not a desire to associate with people of like minds.
People want to be with what the find familiar. If you look like me you must act like me at least enough that I feel safe physically with you.
In short predictable behavior is good behavior and we predict that we will behave similarly if we look similar.
To be wary of the different is also a primal, instinctual human behavior.
I truly don't have an answer for what we can do to help those people. But letting everyone into the US without regard to how it will effect the US. We can not help everyone sadly enough. We should do what ever we can to help these people, but letting them all funnel into the US is not the answer. Would it not be to the advantage of everyone to work with the country they are from to help them solve their problems ? I have no problem with anyone wanting to come into the country, but it has to be done right and not a gang rush over the border and then being blamed for not helping. We have to control.this is some way that it manageable and works for all.
Alot of the issues stem from the meddling and wars that the U S has helped cause and profit from the arms trade.
Our country helped create this humanitarian crisis and our solution as always is to build walls and turn innocent families into lunatics and killers. Same ol same ol.
i hear you. the core or root problem is all these unstable countries - either economically or safety-wise. or horrific leaders. everyone deserves a home that is safe and they can have their needs met. but i agree, we can't house the contents of a bunch of other countries. something has to be done and it's not just migration reform as that will not stop the sheer number. i really feel for these people. : ( i wish their homes were hospitable and idk what we can do about it. but we are going to have to do something eventually.
i hate talking about something like this....but we might have to have occupied territories. i know meddling usually backfires but how is it worse than this? people are already desperate and fleeing. kind of seems like the worst case scenario for them already. : (
Lol. Im learning spanish on Duolingo
If Harris releases zero policy plans from now until November, she would barely lose a vote. If Republicans find even a singular issue with Trump, they'll stay home or vote third party. If he posts something they mildly disagree with, they'll say "it's over." The voter acquisition cost between parties shows a massive disparity.
The problem in these countries is over population. They don't practice birth control and when the land can no longer provide enough food they try to get out. So sad for the children.
This is a fact-free comment.
The highest migration occurs from countries where climate change has made farming impossible. Poverty opened the door to dictatorship, military occupation, civil war, and gangs.
That's not even accounting for disastrous US and UK forays into countries which worsened domestic crises in all but a few instances.
Blaming victims is despicable.
and the last time you actually studied this issue was...?
@@hw-rg7gn
I do not believe talking about cultures and cultural practices is blaming the victims...all of these things come into play.
World wide over population is part of the problem.
And with certain factions in America wanting to control all forms of birth control that will become an issue here.
But part of the driver to control birth control here is wanting to increase the white population.
It boils down to what needs are not being met at home.
MSNBC should talk about the $30 Million Lawsuit they have against them...
Trumpf owes 3 times that from one defamation suit.
@@DuaneHallinSDjust think of how many boxes of Kotex that Combat Veteran Stolen Valor Walz could buy for little boys with $30 million.....
@@DuaneHallinSD that's adorable, does the Bad Orange Boogie Man live in your head?? Trumps suing CNN right now for over $95 Million...
@@jokertony420
Orange Man bad
Stolen Valor man good
@@jokertony420That's adorable, you still don't realize trump is a habitual liar and clown and was the worst president in American history.
Invite Jesse Ventura to speak at the DNC!🎉🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Hopefully the institution will let him out for a day to do that. Minnesota sure had/has the weirdest Governors😂
@@ErnestTeeBass Hey troll. Youre back.
👎
Build more bridges, and boost the trade and ecomonies of the Americas would help more.
Who is paying them to go to the US? Is someone buying these children?
🙄 How bad can Darien Gap be if THOUSANDS of inexperienced people, including pregnant women and children, can pass through it every day? Compared to *2650-mile Pacific Crest Trail* or *2100-mile Appalachian Trail,* 70-mile Darien Gap isn't really that rough.
Shame on anyone for having a child and putting them through that,
some people are fleeing gun violence and occupation. and this is a gamble they feel is safer. i get it. it's really sad.
We do not understand fully what is driving these people to make this journey any more than the simple explanation that thwy want a better life and that is not detailed enough to understand the problem completely.
All the more reason to close the border, finish the wall, and reenact the previous policies.
@@mb9326 The drug cartels and their connections will render that wall and Border Patrol completely useless before long.
Censored for hate speech because I said I'm suing the government and Biden good more money
Probably not you. I got my first EVER this morning. They may have tightened the Al Gore Rhythm.
It literally took Trump 10 minutes to remove a sitting US President🤣
True. And I bet he regrets it now.
Its insane..tragic,these people have to realy be desperate..think this have to stop,should close the gap.
😂🤣😂🤣😂Call in the Czar!
Need more voters?
President Trump 2024💯🙌💯
Only if you want a dictatorship…..he belongs in prison
Maybe Stolen Valor Walz can supply Kotex to all of the young boys with their periods. Nice pick, Kamalamala!😂😂
Hey guys, this is how you lose an election. Keep it up.
@@mile_high_topher😅😅😅. Good luck traitor blue. Useless cackler and tampons.
Just say no to bullies and nastiness! It no longer works.
@@slylett167 agree, treat Kamala and Walz like we have treated Trump. Love is in the air.
@@ErnestTeeBass I don't think they sexually assaulted anyone or committed 34 felonies.
The solution is to send national guard to the border and completely shut down illegal crossings. Yes, the border is a few thousand miles long. But you really wouldn’t need as many soldiers as you think. A few thousand would suffice along with things like drones and other surveillance tools.
um, like the border patrol? go look up when it started.
FAKE NEWS
"There is no crisis at the border, the border is secure".
VP HARRIS
Go check out all of the border cams and then come back and tell us all about what needs to be done.
Who's paying for that?
@@jerryjerry7561this is an invasion, we need something more…powerful than that.