COULD THE LANCER EXIST? - Gears of War Science pt. 1
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- In Gears of War, the Lancer Mark II has a chainsaw bayonet. But could the Lancer actually exist?
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In Gears of War, the COG army outfits their soldiers with the Mark 2 Lancer. The Mark 2 Lancer features a chainsaw bayonet as an upgrade from the original Mark 1’s standard bayonet to help get through the thick skin of the locust horde. Not only is this weapon system extremely cool looking, it’s also very effective. With that said, could the lancer actually exist?
Asside from the chainsaw bayonet, there’s nothing really keeping the Lancer from existing in the real world. Aside from the somewhat awkward butt stock,p0p0p0 this weapon can technically contain all the moving parts required to be a fully0 operational automatic rifle...except oddly there’s no discharge port for spent casings. Would it be a particularly effective system? It’s hard to tell. The Lancer has a bulky metal construction and a somewhat short barrel length. It might have been better suited as a bullpup design which would not only lengthen the barrel, but could also introduce a more robust stock. The reduction in weight with a composite shell could have assisted in making the weapon more manageable due to the front heavy chainsaw system reducing vertical recoil. To be fair though, this redesign would introduce a lot of flaws that could take years to re-engineer.
Taking a look at the interior mechanism, it’s clear that some significant modifications would need to be done to allow for a proper feed from the magazine. To accommodate this, a dual sided split magazine was implemented to allow the rounds to pass around the saw blade. Because the saw teeth sit directly where the soldier would traditionally place their hand to grip the front of the rifle, it would be very important to implement a safety feature. Without it, the average number of fingers in the COG army would like be about six or seven. A simple solution would be a pressure plate on the front grip to initiate the saw and a sensor on the pistol grip to validate both hands are safely positioned.
To better understand the chainsaw bayonet, let’s take a deeper look into the guts of the weapon. The front grip would need to house all and any moving components responsible for the main saw mechanism. From an engineering standpoint, a coupled screw gear system would allow for the desired motion to take place in a somewhat small package, though the torque and power requirements may be too great for our current technology. The rear gear would be a specially welded gear consisting of two smaller gears and a single large gear. The large gear would be sandwiched between the smaller gears which would be powered by a two parallel screw gears. This motion would then cause the large gear to to run the chain. Though this gear and screw system seems complicated, it’s used in many applications including your car’s drive shaft, though in a slightly different configuration.
So now that the mechanics are somewhat proven as at least plausible, where would the fuel be be stored? In the game, Emulsion is a glowing substance dense with usable energy. Could emulsion be the fuel used to power the chainsaw? This is a hard question to answer since Emulsion is highly volatile compared even to other liquid fuels and the fact it is a 100% fantasy material, its physical properties are mostly undocumented. In fact, other than the sound and smoke appearing when the chainsaw is reved, there’s no indication that the Lancer even consumes fuel at all. The only other alternative would be electric, though the smoke still remains unexplained.
When you’re talking about future technology, it’s easy to bound the discussion on what exists today. As famously stated, “there are things you know, there are things you know you don’t know, and then there are things you don’t even know that you don’t know”. In the case of the Lancer, there’s a lot there that our technology could piece together and there are some things that come into question, but the solution to the questions may lie within future technology we can’t even conceive yet. Because of that, the Lancer Mark II is not only one of the coolest weapons in modern video games, it’s also one of the most realistic near future weapon (even if it isn’t a practical weapon).
Did anyone else hear him say "the cock army" instead of cog
I think you're the only one ha. You have something on your mind Vendrick!
No he did say cock
you said it at 0:05
Yup, glad i'm not just going insane
SpacePak You most definitely said cock.
In the gears story it's stated by Adam Fenix that the lancer's chainsaw is powered by thermal energy captured and stored from the heat produced by firing the weapon, and the "smoke" is actually steam exhaust from using that energy
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+Simon The Digger I saw it
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According to the Lore, is seems that the MKII Lancer was powered by an electric motor which absorb the heat generated by the shots. Also, while its hard to see, the circular glowing component which located on the front end of the magwell also spins while the shots were fired. May it be a generator that absorbs kinetic energy produced by the expanding gas when the gunpowder goes off?
Or basically attach a small electric generator to the bolt; as the bolt moves back and forth as a result of gas operation, it will rotate the generator and provide electricity.
Not too improbable for the COG to manage that really.
Kind of sounds like an alternator like in a car
but then theoretically if the gun is empty, the chainsaw won't work (?)
@@MoonDevoured depends on whether or not the energy produced is stored or not
That's some smooth animation. I like it!
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+SpacePak by Mike Ridolfi Yeah I saw you in my most popular subscribers list!
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Did you stop to think that the chainsaw could be powered my exhaust from when the lancer is fired from the ammo and stored in a tank that in turn fules the chainsaw bayonet?
The ONLY way I could imagine a "chainsaw bayonet" making sense is during WWII, to defend yourself against a Japanese Banzai charge...
It's stated in lore that the chainsaw bayonet runs off heat energy provided by the heat of the barrel after firing.
MrTheGDemon finally someone else who listens to the lore
So you can't use the chainsaw if you haven't fired any bullets?
MrTheGDemon - So why the chainsaw noise and smoke?
Jorge because bullet smoke is still there
Kinetic energy must be stored, or else you'd have to fire and chainsaw at the same time, Clowntrooper.
1:33
The safety feature is featured in the game.
When the player 'revs up' the bayonet they grip a sort of handle that actually 'turns on' the bayonet.
Pause at 1:55 and you can somewhat see Marcus holding the pistol-grip and the handle, the handle is probably what helps turn on the saw while instead of firing the weapon, the trigger is used to give the go-ahead to the other end of the gun essentially saying "Yeah, my fingers are not under the saw."
Also, 1:27 is actually pretty spot-on, it'd explain why the thing would jam so much if you didn't properly insert the magazine into the rifle...
Space Botanist 1:27 probably why Anthony died
not really: when you reload in gears of war 4, you can see that the front of the magazine is hollowed so that the chainsaw can go infront of the bullets
Yep. In fact in RAAMs Shadow you can see Barrick actually pull the handle back with some force to rev up the chainsaw. My guess is folding out the handle and pulling it back cuts the safety and activates the chainsaw. I don't think the trigger is used; your barrel hand would already be safe as it's on the handle not the barrel.
At 2:10 the teeth rotate the other way so as to not spray the wielder with blood and gore and I think to also pull you towards and possibly push the enemy over with your weight while you are cutting. Also with that diagram the teeth might get stuck in harder materials such as bone (or locust skin).
You have to rev the chainsaw first so that safety feature you mentioned is pointless
Dr. Crisp N Chisp was about to say the same thing
BLACK COBRA Ya the rev IS its safety feature
What a modern day Lancer could have to step over the technology gap is a larger hollowed out but stock that also doubles in as a storage space for something like a small Gas container. Which could feed a miniaturized motor in the chainsaw's bayonet system. Not as compact as the GOW version, but could be more plausible and would allow its designer to step over the power gap needed to power the chainsaw without putting on to much weight.
The lancer in gears 4 has a wooden butstock
if the lancer ised imulsion as a fuel the chainsaw bayonet would stop working after gears of war 3 when the imulsion counter device was fired.
Reclusiarch Grimaldus It uses thermal energy.
you could use the firing of the weapon to power the chainsaw so that way you only need a rechargeable battery pack built into the weapon. im not sure how it would work in a technical sense, but you could use the energy created from the firing to charge the bayonet and thus make it usable.
You can buy a chainsaw for your ar15
Trace Greene and an attack dog
And it is so beautiful
There is a discharge port at 0:47 look exactly where the bullets are coming out, you'll see a hole that's unlike the rest
i have extracted and unpacked the lancer from the game on my computer, from gears ultimate edition, gears 3 emulated, and gears 4. there is no ejection port visible. i have them loaded into blender with their respective textures and rigging.
2:20
no wonder they called it gears of war.
Gears of War because the cog is the nation that the main character is fighting in, the soldiers names are gears
+caleb teague No he is correct as well. COG stands for the Coalition of Ordered Governments, and their soldiers refer to themselves as Gears. They refer to themselves as gears because they drive the gears of the machine that is war. War is often referred to as the machine , the war machine. The Gears of War.
Don't call others autistic when you don't even have the facts yourself.
+manrightchea thank you. I knew that case I research it and also played the game
+Kaden Pringle I'm saying thank you and the other half was really for the other guy
caleb teague you took the L
I think while zombiegoboom's version is very close and pretty cool. If it were military-erized (made soldier proof) it might look surprisingly similar to the lancer. Say we had to make it today. We'd probably start with the venerable FN Scar 17. We'd want the higher caliber 7.62mm because these new bad guys are so tough and the GOW soldiers are obviously enhanced physiologically so they could handle the extra recoil. The chainsaw bayonet would be attached the same way we attach grenade launchers and shotguns to our rifles today. However, it would have to be MUCH more robust to stand up to impacts. The motor would almost have to be electric, but when you look at how far our battery powered tools and yard equipment has come, that's not such a bad thing. the battery pack would have to be attached either as a part of the stock or on the left hand side of the receiver. the motor would go on the front in the hand guard area and would drive the front gear. In the rear section would be the large housing the fits against the magazine well. It would be necessary to house the idler wheel as well as some mechanism to keep the teeth clean from guts, bone and bits of clothing/armor. Pretty grotesque and terrifying but it could definitely work. On the flip side, never bring a knife or even a chainsaw to a gunfight.
Basically you need very durable and dense parts for the chainsaw section alone. You also need teeth that can handle steel without dulling. This would require carbide and titanium for the needed strength to have an effective cut. It has to be a chain with a single blade. It can be built, but someone has to make a power source. Electricity is the most practical as you can dial the voltage and speed of the chainsaw section.
yeah, a rifle w/integrated chainsaw could be built, but it wouldn't be the lancer which is clearly gas powered
Max Familant
Based on the sound of the lancer, you're right. Though if you look at Gears 4 there's a bench at Marcus' house with Lander parts on it.
This and the Lancer would weigh.... well let's say it would likely weigh about 25 lbs. and with its 60 round magazine you can add another 5 lbs. I wouldn't want to lug that thing around all day.
The lancer does have a handle for it's "chainsaw mode" it's essentially so the soldier can control their sawing action. Their hand is nowhere near the blade during that transaction of blade to locust.
You stick your hand between the chainsaw and the gun. You don’t rest your hand on the chainsaw.
Who the fuck uses sunglasses and a cap on the room?
he can if he wants
cog not coc army
+Johnny Appleseed I thought I heard that too X'D
+Johnny Appleseed LMAOOOO beat me to the comment by a whole month.
In terms of the chainsaws kill switch for safety, I read somewhere that the chain won’t move unless the chainsaws handle is unfolded from the side of the gun and “locked” in place so after the chainsaw has been used the user would fold the handle back into place thus locking the chain so it shouldn’t be moving when they go back to a firing configuration
0:58 Good cripes no, I am NOT keeping chainsaw teeth that close to my hand!
Lol that bullpup design looks like a nightmare. Those teeth would rip your fingers apart that are holding onto the pistol grip
i like the mk 1 lancer aka retro lancer
+lord wolfbane Pfft. Mk2 for days.
Bitch please I been rocking both for years
I'm not the only one who thinks this guy is gonna be UA-cam famous one day.
Bullpup design, also puts your trigger hand at risk of being shredded! Sounds like an excellent idea!
well technically the stock could house batteries and the chain could be driven by electricity. it wouldn't make the cool sound, but it could at least spin, which is the important part. it could also have a safeguard grip that would cover some of the chain where the soldier would intuitively put hand to hold the weapon with a lip in the front as a safeguard against the hand slipping forward into the spinning mess of sharp blades.
The cain saw does not use powr be cuz they pull a lever so it harder to pull when it's in flesh
interesting that my biggest question/skepticism about the Lancer chainsaw wasn't tackled here - the act of chainsawing an enemy would pull so much flesh and debris into the innards of the gun, or at least along the belt. I've wondered from a technical standpoint where this would put the Lancer or any "chainsaw gun" on the feasible map
Even the chainsaw has no trouble existing if you've ever seen how compact battery chainsaws are.
So you don't notice the whole closing in on the front end of the fore grip of the lancer where the guy puts his hand in between the change so chassis bit and the actual grip
Great as always mike! thanks for all the hard work and effort you put into making content :D
1:00 yeah um, where do you place your other hand? haha.
You dual wield it
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For some reason, I thought lancers fired rocket propelled rounds like a gyrojet. I have no idea where I got that from, but it is not true, although interestingly, it would eliminate the need for an ejection port.
Isn't the chainsaw activated by the lever you pull on the side? Eliminating the need for a second redundant safety feature?
2:45 when you decide to make a lancer out of your cars drive shaft
Hey nice video, have you try to compare the physichs from both Halo and fallout weapons? like plasma techology and armor, its just that I have been wondering if is possible that Fallout in a futuristic 50s theme world could be able to fight the convenant on same ground when it comes to infantery combat, since Fallout pocess power armors, plasma and laser technology that could be on equal terms with the Covenant.
late comment, but i want to add, the chainsaw only operates when the lower handle is pulled back, then the trigger is what revs it, so it will not move when the handle is in the forward position, so it is actually safe for the gripping. also the chainsaw was not implemented for killing the locust, it was actually created for destroying things like chains and wood barricades, the cog gov actually told soldiers not to use it on the locust, but of course they did anyway. side note the reason guns in gow dont usually have stocks and the soldiers are able to control recoil is the cog actually uses a kind of steroids for the soldiers that make is past the first deployment, thats also why they look so huge, by definition they are super soldiers.
Now if only the military decided to take this video to the next level....
Really great video mike!
I came from Shoddycast, watched this, and subscribed. Great video
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here's an idea, a strip of solid explosive tabs similar to a cap guns' strip, being fed in to a combustion engine, with a cylinder and piston of metal that can withstand extreme pressure, making PHENOMENAL torque while remaining relatively small.
Did you guys see the note pad on the left... A page lifted by it self! Could have been the wind but maybe not...
A lot of the smoke coming from the Lancers coming from the blade itself from what I can tell the blue lights coming off the lancer might be the energy source and I don't see how a bullet system to eject the bullets wouldn't be that bad because what you could do is have something similar to a bullpup fn2000 where they would be ejected from the bottom the other thing that I could think of with the layout of your magazine look it could be similar as well to revolver but that would mean they would have to be at least 30 different slots
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While you do make very good and reasonable points, when it comes to safety for the lancer I think it's fine. This is because, in Gears of war 3, there is animation that appears to rev up the chainsaw bayonet having it work like a traditional chainsaw but only you know better and with a gun.
the smoke could be the friction when the chainsaw rubes on the skin because it takes about a half second to start to go through the skin.
If it is electric motors, than the smoke could be the motor heating up then burning off anything on it i.e. blood, guts, mud and dirt, also to charge the battery it could use the bolt cycleing to turn a crank
For a while I though the Lancer discarded rounds like the FN F2000. Which has this little tunnel that the ejected shells come out of.
a BR from halo can be made with a FAMAS, a mid range scope, a bullet counter and a mechanism that makes it fire bursts
So could we have the hammer burst or the gnashed, and also the MK1 lancer?
nice video but can anyone tell me how they turn on the lancer? I know in gow 1 and 2 it is like a folding motorcycle Handel but in 3 and judgment it looks like they pull something back or push something forward then back any help? also the smoke might be heat from electronic motor the relies on the gears of the lancer to make some friction to create energy.
"The lancer is the most realistic sci fi weapon"
Laughs in killzone*
I thought the intro was something else tbh.
Some other website that had drums as an intro.
My random question. Because I didn't type in this question to find this video. I simply asked a different one and it so happened to come up. I was wondering... So, in the games, you see them wearing heavy armor. So they look super bulky. 1. Is the armor actually practical although it looks amazing... To me. But even that isn't the question I typed in. The question is. How do they get their weapons to stay on their backs? Do they have really strong magnets? You know with the size of lancers and the size of well everything in that series, the lancer has got to have some weight to it and it clearly doesn't show exactly how they just stay there mounted on them until they remove them. This was simply a random question that came up while I was playing last night. How in the world are they staying holstered on them.
Nice video Mike. Gears of war is awesome! :)
Great video. I can't believe I never noticed that the Mark 2 Lancer was lacking an ejection port. I find in strange that after four games in the franchise, they never noticed or bothered to include one.
+Bill Kerman There's 5 games in the franchise brah.
it does have a bullet discharge the spining part is where the casings come out of
I don’t think it would be practical as it could potentially be more dangerous for the operator to have an accident with it and it could get fouled up, damaged and become extra weight. Would be better to just have a robust automatic rifle that serves just that function and ditch the chainsaw thing entirely. Cool concept though.
3:47 look at the papers on background 🙀
3:47 look at the ceiling fan above him
The lancer has a handle that needs to be pulled on to get the chainsaw to run. So it does already have this safety feature.
Nice video Mike. You should do a video about Assassins Creed Hidden Blade. Also, love the outer song.
***** think it would be a really cool video. also, how have you been?
Thing is, fighting humans, you'd never need a chainsaw bayonet. We're just too squishy. It's a practical augment against something tough like a locust but not for the real world.
He is completely right about the bullpup idea.
Hey, man! Awesome video, I'm a new sub, cool eh? Anyway, could you look into the Ice Breaker or Sleeper Simulant from Destiny? Thanks for a great video!
The Lancer powers itself from energy produced from the gun itself.
Also another outstanding video!
I'm from the future in 2018 we have real lancers but it's called the X chainsaw made specifically for the M14, M4A1, M16, and AR15 rifles. Its a tool and a weapon 2 in 1.
Could the Torque Bow exist?
Whos up for Torque bow tag?
Hey mike been a while wondering what you thing of the ultimate edition. Im a huge fan of GoW. I'm not sure if it came out in the USA before it did in the UK. I believe it came out today! Have you played it? if so what are your thoughts?
+Mike Ridolfi I share the same enthusiasm. It also comes with 2,3, judgement. With Xbox's backwards compatibility plan which is neat! I played it round a friends house I forgot about how the bullets don't seem to leave the barrel of the gun but from the middle of the screen that freaked me out a little bit definitely got to pick it up!
+Henry Boyle what do you think of the multiplayer? Still lives up to the original?
+Mike Ridolfi remember the coc army, remember the coc army.
and it has to be light enough for someone to wave around one-handed when making a point.
Can you please do a video on the Warhammer 40,000 chainsword?
Another great video. This is definitely a weapon I think would be sweet if it actually existed. Can't wait to see more gears of war science videos!
Can someone ppllleeeeeaaassseee tell me what's the name of the song with the whistling, I hear it on other videos and I'm dying to know what song it is lol
I'm pretty sure that in the Gears of War Books , it is stated that the Chainsaw is actually electric and it uses a battery. Cool video tough :D
3:26 could just be stuff stuck on the teeth getting grinded into smoke, there's alot of moving metal parts moving really fast and getting alot of repeated use, on top of that its unlikely they get many opportunities to clean it during missions since that would be a lengthy complicated process. its most likely battery powered and the smoke is the result of the heat it gives off, combined with any lubricants present and crud thats gotten into the chainsaw as previously stated. Imulsion would be highly impractical and dangerous and the weapon itself has glowing lights so it clearly has some sort of power source. add to that the Gears of War world, I think it's called Sera but I haven't heard the name in ages, is a bit more advanced than us, not by a huge amount, just a decade or two about, maybe more, and its not that implausible, the question is if a chainsaw would really work that well. The old bayonet was supposedly prone to snapping and had trouble penetrating the tough locust hide, personally I think this could have been solved with a simple redesign of the bayonet itself, at least to an extent, though the chainsaw does add alot more versatility to the table. in the books, between gears of war 2 and 3 they actually use the chainsaws on their lancers to cut wood for construction during what they hope is the start of peacetime. a stubbier, rounded blade, something like a sharpened railroad spike or an old british musket bayonet like you see in the colonial era, though obviously thicker, with more focus on a strong point rather than a blade, could do the job when it came to armor piercing. The reason the old bayonet didn't work is likely because, like in our time, its really just a combat knife stuck to the front of the rifle and wasn't intended to pierce through anything that tough. assuming Locust hide to be roughly as tough as either hardened leather or chainmail you'd want to focus in a sharp rounded point, rather than a broad blade as you have in the mark 1 lancer design, with a strong core to prevent it breaking and no protrusions on the sides so it could be pulled out easily and not get stuck. ultimately it would be similar to what they use in the max brooks book world war Z with the SIR.
How could it be on a list of most possible?
Nobody knows the caliber, or most of the important stuff needed to make one?
Can't wait for more GoW videos!
The chainsaw attachment can be powered by the gas the fired round produces
More videos of this plz
Battery powered chainsaws already can do all the things a lancer can do in a size that befits the profile of the chainsaw bayonet.
The background song makes me want to sit upside down on my reclining chair
There's a side thing where u pull so u won't cut or self and u let go of the pull thing to stop chainsaw
if anyone can enlighten me how do you activate the chainsaw? I noticed on the model there is only one thing that looks like the charging handle and im wondering how it magically turns on
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Tin Rusic the handle on the side is pulled out on the side and when it is pulled down it acts like a lever that's starts the chainsaw
Tin Rusic from what I know running on immulsion
in the newer gears of war games there is now the custom lancer with a stock added to the original lancers from the older games however in gears of war 4 you can get the original lancer my trading dels gnasher for the custom lancer and getting the og lancer.
BTW, your animations in the video are great!
mans said "nothing is really stopping this from being a functioning rifle"
totally not like it would require 4 chambers for it to worm.
Well I thought the chainsaw was always off until you rev it by pulling the side grip on the gun while letting go turns it off.
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there’s the mark 3 lancer with a lighter stock and improved handling.
A bullpup design would make the lancer too short to be used as a bayonet.
There's a handle and the left hand side of the lancer which is used to run the chainsaw.
2:11 HE SAID IT! HE SAID THE WORD
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it's fuled buy the gas from the speant rounds. once the reload happen the ex gas is capture and stored to power the saw. just a idea.
Something else that I don’t recall you mention is the weight. It would probably weigh a ton considering how high capacity the mag is plus how big the actual gun is. Add a chainsaw to the end and it’s even heavier. Ah well, every Gears male is bigger than Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Lancer seems more like a psychological weapon than practical because of fear of being chopped up
Oh its. Practical
There’s already a chainsaw bayonet for the ar15 today we could equip all of are troops with these if we wanted to. The problem with this is that any Benefit of having a chainsaw are outweighed by the dangers it poses to the user. In addition as weapons technology advances into the future ranged weapons will get increasingly better essentially eliminating melee combat and this is already true today as can be seen by the fact that bayonets in modern armies are mostly ceremonial. So we likely will never see this weapon implemented as it’s not necessary. The only way I could see chainsaws being implemented in a future war is if armor technology advances to where ballistics are rendered ineffective and melee becomes an effective strategy again however this is a long way off and by time this happens we will probably have advanced laser technology or micro scaled rail guns
Except the bullpup is cutting off ur finger 😂