Rebel Moon is Pro-Fascist!? | EFAP Highlight
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- Zack Snyder is so bad at telling stories that he makes the villains look like helpless victims compared to his awful hero.
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>Can invent starfaring system traveling spaceships
>Can't invent an automatic coal feeder
Or at least won't explain why they can't like "the god field around the furnace prevents machinery from operating correctly" or some other scifi bs.
@@Serahpin Yeah. Just say it causes interference that prevents most machinery
@@Serahpin Or just rip off W40K on that point too. Every advanced technology is a remnant from humanity's golden age or is manufactured according to exact process specifications we can follow but don't actually understand.
@@Lemon_Inspector if they added this piece of lore later, would this retroactively fix a lot of these dumb moments?
@@denkerbosu3551 It would explain why they're shoveling coal by hand, but it wouldn't explain why and how they're using coal in the first place. 40k starships have fusion thrusters even if they use rope, pulleys, and a massive amount of slave labor to load house-sized shells into their cannons.
Also, you can't retroactively fix the fact that the viewer is missing essential world-building context for two entire movies unless you pull a George Lucas and literally retroactively fix it in the movies.
Keep in mind that the only person in this movie that Kora cannot make herself to kill is Balisarius.
We all love this trope when the protagonist choosing not to kill the villain when they have a chance but is very comfortable at killing thousands of nameless goons and innocent civilians because “If they kill the main bad guy, they will become like the main bad guy” bs.
How very canadian.
That trope honestly frustrates me to no end. I can only think of a small handful of media that executed it well, and it's not a lot.
TLOU2: why are my ears whistling?
@@stainedclassv0114Do you have any examples that you recommend? I want to check them out.
Kinda like his Batman, he's happy to kill minor goons but he'll never touch joker (for some reason)
Modern Hollywood Writing: Make your heroes into sociopathic villains and your villains into sympathetic heroes/victims
Last of us 2 did it lmao
It's funny that even Berserk is not at this level. Guts is extremly violent and cold but still shows some empathy to those close to him and you also know where this character comes from. Griffith on the other hand looks like a gentleman, but in reality he's a sociopathic and evil person who sees everyone as a pawn for his ambitions
But you just don't get it - it's for a mAtuRe AuDieNce, you massive.
@@swungsinger4948 we don't speak that name
@@giulizpaviz6381 Though even Griffith had more empathetic moments then these guys, lmao.
"It's alright, Steiner will farm more grain and slow mo his way towards the enemy"
"Mein Fuhrer, Steiner..."
Steiner konnte nicht genügend Bauern für einen Slow-mo Angriff massieren.
...
Der Angriff Steiner ist nicht erfolgt!
@@TurKlack Die Ernte Steiners war ein Befehl!!
22:35
"You have my sword."
"And my bow"
"And I'm a slave"
"And my winnower." -- Gimli, son of Grain
It’s not a story of redemption, it’s a story of revenge. She was kicked out of the Imperium; all those not kicked out, slave, medic, recruit… must pay! The whole “save the farm” bit was just an opportunity for her to recruit others to help her in her vengeance.
Absolutely. It was to trick some idiots into being meat shields and a distraction for her.
She is the victim, thus anything she does is justified.
The movie is actually an example of victim complex taken to the extreme
@@mhc706 I would argue that they are not idiots
Until I realized that Gunnar knew the full story of how she murdered a kid and yet he’s still with her anyway (even though any rational person should have been furious at her and told her to f-ck off) because the film didn’t allow him to have a reaction and in the end, he became her meat shield and died for it.
Yep, Gunnar is an idiot.
I can't tell if this is serious or not and i'm pretty sure this is not a sign in the movie's favor either way.
@@honestkyn718 not to mention the fact that it’s plausible, serious/true or not, says much about the movie
Most common causes of death for medical professionals
4. Self-deletion
3. Accidents
2. Cerebrovascular diseases
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1. Kora
being unlucky enough to stand in the way of Kora the Destroya already counts as self deletion
skill issue, what can i say
This made me imagine various alien sick bays with posters bearing Kora's face like a wanted poster. "Med-slaughtering Maniac: Flee immediately, prone to murder of unarmed non-combatants."
> Kora
kuru
I don't think they died from eating her @@hashkangaroo
*reads title"
JFC lads...We've had enough Jim Sterling already.
I also thought that it was about to be either a Jim or Moviebob clip.
And here I thought Rebel Moon was purely Pro-Dogshit.
Damn Wolf, don't you know that it's bad for the algorithm to have the swastika in the thumbnail? Even history channels are reluctant to put it in their videos.
Weirdly enough, this is the first video I've posted in months that *didn't* get demonetized the instant I uploaded it. Maybe the wholesome smiling Austrian painter standing in front of it helped somehow lmfao
@@EFAPHighlights UA-cam promoting an up and coming artist
Now that's good rat
@@bobbyhill3323 i mean... this was on my feed when i started the app... XD
@@EFAPHighlights UA-cam approves of the Buddhist symbol of balance and harmony
If Rebel Moon is pro-fascist, than Disco Elysium is pro-Movie Bob.
I don't know Disco Elysium, what about this one?
@@giulizpaviz6381 role playing visual novel, you can be any politician orientation in it
@@YohanRoth
Technically you can't, because ZaUm disliked and "debunked" all of the known ideologies.
But according to people who platinumed the game, right-wing characters are less pathetic and retarded.
I can’t believe the ship is run by coal boils. I don’t think you guys are liars, but it is infallible that someone would create a fictional spacecraft with coal as the primary power generation source. That is not cool or “steampunk” Zach, it’s just stupid.
I don't think "infallible" is the word you're looking for there, it sounds like you meant "inconceivable".
@@329link People keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
@@mikeyua7 Im gonna defend 329link 2 weeks late. 'Inconceivable': "not capable of being imagined or grasped mentally; unbelievable."
Rebel Moon: A Her-o's story.
Her-o: A female protagonist of a story who is always treated like a hero even when shes doing reprehensible things.
EG:
Wonder woman graping that random guy in Wonder Woman 1984.
Black Widow burying a prison in an avalanche to act as a distraction in Black Widow.
Black Widows adoptive mother willfully making the mind-control sniff while suffering no direct retribution.
The soldiers, except for one, are depicted as almost comically evil and nasty.
But then the hero is killing medical personnel and people shoveling coal, instead of the cartoonishly evil soldiers?
I swear, the inability of the script to maintain any sort of consistency or to remember established details makes this feel written by AI. If Snyder actually wrote this himself, he is replaceable by CURRENT large language model AI. As in, immediately, not sometime in the future.
I'd love to see a game where you fight the evil fascists, but other than being brutal are very upstanding. Whereas you play the "underdog" who commits nothing but warcrimes to beat the game. I'm sure leftists would absolutely love it.
Isn't Far Cry 4 grazing that concept ever so slightly?
Wolfenstein: Youngblood
The movie seems to be trying to say “if you are a victim in your mind everything you do and anyone you hurt is justifiable if you are trying to get your revenge”
It’s victim complex the movie
when one side is supposed to be an irredeemably evil empire you cannot do what Snyder / Disney Star wars did, because when you humanize what are supposed to be the evil imperials, and then immediately undermine it by having your characters indiscriminately kill the imperials, you turn your heroes into the villains.🤔
(Edit) Because of this behavior I have lost almost all sympathy for the rebels in Star wars.
Resistance not rebels. They started out with zero sympathy because they were a paramilitary organization doing the dominant powers dirty work. Its like trying to make Blackwater sympathetic
You know, it occurred to me that the reason why media with villainous protagonists like Goodfellas or Death Note work so well in comparison to Rebel Moon or Disney Star Wars. Which is that the protagonists in examples like Goodfellas, Death Note, or The Sopranos were never portrayed as genuinely heroic or noble. Those types of stories usually lead to the villain protagonists either redeem themselves and change their ways, or have all of their misdeeds lead to their downfall. I doubt the writers for Rebel Moon had that kind of self-awareness, though.
I highly doubt that they even watched those movies or tv shows
@@giulizpaviz6381
I doubt it too, but if they did, they're probably the types of people who unironically think Light Yagami or Tony Soprano are heroic, despite them being portrayed as the villains of their stories overall.
Fringy saying Rebelle Moon never gets old
I rebelle
I can’t believe Snyder decided to ripoff Saw 3D by having Kora turn into Hoffman
'Everything is s̶e̶x̶i̶s̶t̶ fascist, everything is r̶a̶c̶i̶s̶t̶ fascist, and you have to call it all out.'
The coal engines are a setup for the next movie where the Imperium exploits a mining village! I figured it out!
Damn Fringy; I hear his Reb-bell Moon everytime i hear the name now.
Reb Elle (full name: Rebecca Eleanore) Moon.
You know, there is a very mild defense of the reason why they chose to inspect Kora for injuries in the elevator instead on the spot. It looked like the elevator was like right next to the hangar. And, as a medic, you wanna minimize the time to the ER. So, instead of stopping right outside the ship, checking, and then waiting around in the elevator, you can just get into the elevator and use the travel time to make the inspection. That can make sense if you don't need the few seconds to get into the elevator.
Making your main character be a literal war criminal is 100% going to have people empathize with her. Mad props to Snyder, truly a visionary director
I just watched both. The movies, especially the 2nd one, are far worse than what i expected. And thats saying something.
Reminds me of when Superman ruthlessly lasered the Krypton babies...
And then gave a sad yell for Zod's death
Except that they weren’t babies
@@legoben98productions you're right, they were chickens. my mistake
@@chriscross8547 weird looking chickens, they aren’t even embryos, just weird looking sacks of 30+ year old suspended alien dna samples
Rebel moon is worse than any StarWars knock off I’ve seen terrible fan films that make more sense
Ice Pirates is leagues above Re-bell Moonm
We've established that Zack doesn't understand "show, not tell" as a storyteller. So naturally, he doesn't understand how actions and shot composition tells certain things to the audience.
The only possibility I can consider as to why this even exists, is that Disney commissioned Snyder to write something that made the sequels look good in comparison, saw his script and said "you've gone too low, even for Disney Star Wars."
Rebel Moon's heroes are deeply unsympathetic and evil (just slightly less evil than the Motherworld), but that's not the same as being pro-fascist. They don't blame a mysterious 'other' for all of society's problems, and don't (yet) attempt to rebuild Veldt into the First Grain Empire. They do romanticise the past, but don't see violence as the solution to all problems (Kora tries negotiations first).
I dislike fascism being used as a synonym for evil. It sands fascism down, makes it undefinable and indistinct for the unique brand of evil it is.
Is there a special reason why Fringy pronounces the word "rebel" so... uncommon? Is this a reference to a meme or the way it is pronounced in Australia?
He's pronouncing it correctly.
With the emphasis on the "el", @@Lemon_Inspector? I've never heard anyone else using this way of pronunciation.
Although I should add that I'm not a native English speaker.
@@Chaosherold It's a verb. Rebel, Moon.
He’s pronouncing the verb rebEL instead of the what’s supposed to be the noun REbel probably because he’s ridiculing how dumb the films are by saying it wrong on purpose.
WHERE DID YOU LEARN HOW TO MOON.. ON A REBEL?
Right. How dare a military care about their troops.
But like, why THIS one. they have reserved, Kora tells us how they treat people...
Like, the Imperial Guard has medics, sure, but they make it very clear human-wave tactics are acceptable and most of their patience WILL die. the Motherworld here is characterized by social darwinism and the strongests and all that.
Like it's WEIRD man.
you do clickbait titles better than tim pool
no no, you don't understand. Clearly they don't use coal for power, that's ridiculous, that's what the star god is for. The coal is to keep the star god nice and warm so he doesn't complain about his slavery. Without the coal he gets big mad and doesn't power the death lasers and engines
The bad guys caring about their own soldier is not a flaw.
Oh saw an Uncle thumbnail and came to check on it but hey it was just Rebel Moon rant.
We don't associate ourselves with that garbage. Thank you.
The Nazis were not fascists, but both were socialists.
They are all totalitarian lunatics .. labels matter not.
Uh what, how exactly?
@@SolProxy He's just wrong, that's how, lol
@@SolProxy It's pretty much one of those "academic distinction" kind of things. As in, the only "actually fascist" regime in WWII were the Italians, because they literally invented the term and concept. It just got retroactively applied to any autocratic regime in the era, and then, once calling people nazis became trite (because Godwin's Law became the status quo), it's now thrown around willy-nilly, both in real life and in fiction. It's a term that completely lost its original meaning, and it's just "authoritarian people I don't like".
TL;DR: By strict definition, they weren't fascists. By modern colloquial definition, they were, along with the USSR, the US, and pretty much everyone else. In the end, it doesn't really matter, because what they did was completely independent of what they called themselves, or what label we put on them today.
@@Horvath_Gabor Wikipedia says it like this;
"The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of socialism, as an alternative to both Marxist international socialism and free-market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concepts of class conflict and universal equality, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good", accepting political interests as the main priority of economic organisation, which tended to match the general outlook of collectivism or communitarianism rather than economic socialism."
They also say it's a "form" of fascism but not just fascism which I agree with.
RFT is on EFAP now!? That's cool to see.
This is the Monologue's Dream Team!!! 😍
In reference to the thumbnail, isn't Benito Mussolini synonymous with fascism?
so many of these names are stolen form warhammer
I believe it.
Meine Noom
This not a fair and pretty much a baseless accusation. Snyder is of Jewish decent. Rebel Moon basically doesn’t write fascism well and it even borders on being a self parody but I don’t think it’s alright by saying it promotes fascism. I’m not a Snyder fan. Frankly the man sucks at writing and should only be a visual director. But it’s not a good stance and frankly acts in bad faith overall to make this argument. It comes done to a badly written script with badly written characters. That’s all.
I don't believe Snyder *intentionally* wrote the movie to be pro-fascist, but I think he's such a bumbling moron that he unintentionally wrote a scene that unambiguously paints the fascists as sympathetic and the heroes as psychotic murderers who kill unarmed workers and medics. Functionally, that scene makes the fascists look like the victims, even though that clearly wasn't his intent.
@@EFAPHighlights I see your point. That scene is a mess where you don’t quite know who to root for and you just watch a bunch of random senseless violence for the sake of it.
What did you expect from an Ayn Rand-reading Libertarian?
Of course Zach Snyder is pro-fascist.
Ayn Rand was Jewish. Do you really think Atlas Shrugged leads to Mein Kampf? Don't get me wrong, the libertarian to fascist pipeline is real, but the people who go full Ayn Rand tend to sink in the libertarian cesspit.
@@bobbyhill3323 Fascist aren't automatically nazis. Nor are they racists, or sexists, or whatever. It's an ideology about autocratic collectivism, with some strong conservativism on top. That's about as far as it goes. By blurring the lines, and calling everyone fascists for unrelated transgressions and without nuance, it will just turn the word into a meaningless insult that nobody will take seriously.
Zach Snyder doesn't understand fascism, socialism, or politics.
I say this because he's a Hollywood insider who has been marinated in the Hollywood mentality that anything that is not far left communism is fascist nazi evil monster baby eaters.
This is because one of the biggest defenses that the left wing has is to accuse everybody else of what they are doing.
Fascism is when robber barons.
This post has to be bait.
I am glad I haven't wasted like 6 hours of my life to watch this trash. Much more entertaining to listen to you all rip it apart and use it for toilet paper.
Wow.
Did you guys really not understand the movie?
EXAMPLE :
For a war crime to happen, they would have to be engaged in a war.
To be entirely fair. It's one of the closest portrayals of Italy I've ever seen.