took the mach 4 for a spin yesterday, it's perfect for easy runs and does indeed fit like a glove. it definitely compliments the endorphin speed for me. as well as the carbon-x
Agree 100% with you. I am using all 3 for training and the Mach 4 I was expecting more from, but I guess I need to find the sweet spot for them like you did. I absolutely love the Speed and Tempo. My 2 favorite shoes ever.
@@TheFODRunner yup. Still figuring out the mach 4. I feel like I need to work harder and the energy return isn't the same as some daily trainers however.
Ohhh. I didn’t expect this review, but I am so glad you have done this! I need a speedy shoe in my rotation and the Hyperion tempos and the Endorphin speed are on my watch list. Depends which one comes in stock in my size.
Another spot on review, ran in my Mach 4’s this morning and your description of them and their usefulness is spot on. Thanks for your honest opinion on these. Great comparison and break down of how they can work together to help us reach our goals. 💪💪
Interesting - I have all 3 shoes in my rotation. I must say that since picking up the Speeds, the Tempos haven’t seen the light of day. They’re another level for me. My Tempos are approaching 300m too. I have found the midsole is just a bit too firm for my liking and has little energy return vs. the Speeds. As for the Mach 4 - I agree. It was evident from my first run that it wasn’t a speed shoe. It’s extremely comfortable, and I’ll continue to use it as an easy/steady/MP shoe. Overhyped for sure, but still a good daily shoe nonetheless.
Absolutely spot on review Andy! Your insight on the differences and comparables between shoe types is proving to be invaluable in deciding what to buy and for what purpose. You ROCK my friend and keep up the great work!! 👍👍
I absolutely love the speed for faster stuff. I may pick up the Mach for everything else. You may have convinced me to try the Hyperion tempo as well. Alright buy them all
I finally began to use Hyperion for intervals, fartlek and long runs. It is a workhorse of a shoe. I am so glad that I bought it. mach 4 doesn't attract me that much. I rather stick to NB. 1080. Max cushioned shoe, but can do it all
Many people have been digging hyperion Tempo but for me it was very firm and like having a brick under foot. 😊 Mach 4 is an amazing shoe though! Handles most sessions besides the really quick ones.
Have enjoyed all 3 shoes. For me (2:41 marathon PB) the speeds are the closest ride I have had to a vapourfly and cope with sub 6 min/mile no problem. I possibly even prefer them to the endorphin pro to be honest. They aren’t the most stable shoe however in poor conditions so took a back seat through winter. The Hyperion tempo feels closer to a cross between an old racing flat and fast trainer. It feels more stable, is firmer and lower to the ground. I don’t feel as protected or fast in this personally but it copes with low 6s for me and I would run tempo and sustained efforts or medium long in it. Enjoying the Mach 4 but for me as you say it is complimentary. Fast speeds don’t feel as effortless but it is a very nice ride and very stable for the stack. For medium long to long runs on the road that aren’t involving marathon pace efforts I would reach for this. Feels very nice closer to 6:30-6:40 paces for me but doesn’t have that snap that begs to go faster like the speed or indeed the vapourfly.
Sounds like you use the shoes very similar to me, albeit maybe swap the speed and tempo around! Yes the speed does strike a resemblance to the vaporfly but the one that feels like they should be “related” the the fuelcell TC? Not sure if you’ve ever tried that but wow, that’s an amazing training partner for the next%
That’s the first time I’ve heard the word specificity in a shoe review 😉 I have to admit i like all 3 but the Hyperion Tempo is a tad low to the ground so I don’t reach for it as much as the Speed for faster stuff. I need to use them more. Perhaps I own too many shoes..... nah
Bear in mind that for slower runners more used to a bog standard trainer, the light weight Mach 4 feels pretty amazing. I’ve only run twice in mine but they feel like a more cruisey Turbo 2 with a more comfortable upper and better lockdown. Just what I want for logging easy-steady miles. I suspect it’s a more suitable shoe for those of us who operate around the 5:30 minute km steady pace than an Endorphin Speed.
Yeah I can understand that, they’ve become a firm favourite now of mine around the easy/moderate pace and already got 80 miles in 👌 glad to hear you’re loving yours!
Bought the endorphin speed on your recommendation and I never want to take them off! Honestly head and shoulders above anything else I've had. Problem is I want to use them on ALL runs 😂🙈
Great comparison video. As you said yourself in a earlier video you buy shoes to fit into your rotation. I’ve only put 11 miles into my speeds. I don’t want to get them dirty.😂
I have all 3 of these shoes. I absolutely love my tempos and speeds. I’ve commented here before about how much I love them. I agree with you regarding the pop of both the speed and tempo. Those shoes are in a complete league of their own. That being said I love the Mach 4 from the moment I put it on my foot. While the top end speed isn’t the same as the other two shoes it is still a nice lightweight nimble shoe. There is something about it where you just lock in the pace and go. I think it’s what you cal the gliding aspect. I can just set my pace with relative ease and not think about it at all. I’m about to take the Mach 4 on a 20 mile long run in a few hours. Interested to see how does. It’s really windy here today so hopefully I’m not fighting it too much. Great video Andy!!
Glad you love them all! Yes I remember you saying you were a fan of them 👌 the fit of the Mach 4s are insanely good and like you said, you can just pop them on and lock into that pace and just glide along! Good luck with the long run!
Completely agree with your comments Andy re: rotation (i have the speed, more recently the mach). Reserving the mach for long runs, finding up to 10k they are just "OK" then as you go further they really start to make sense - so easy to hold a moderate pace and rhythm for as far as you want to take them.
Love the speed as a daily trainer. It can just do anything. Perfectly happy at 5min + per km and also down at 400m rep speed on workout days. Best all around shoe I’ve run in. Pushing 600km in mine now. Recently bought the Mach 4 on the back of the UA-cam hype. It’s a very comfortable upper, beautiful fit and it’s a perfectly competent shoe. It just doesn’t fill me with joy to run in. I can’t really think where in my rotation it fits. It’ll come in handy I’m sure. Never tried any kind of Brooks shoe. Maybe next on the purchase list (unless the NB Fuel Cell Rebel V2 gets there first).
Yeah agree on the Mach 4, ideal fit and great feel, comfy upper but a confusing one to start with.... mine has found its home now as a good moderate trainer with some easy too
Thanks for this informative comparison. It confirms that the Tempos and Speeds-my main rotation models along with the Boston 9's-have me covered. I haven’t had great luck with HOKA, and my temptation to try the Mach 4 because of the buzz has been appeased by this. I am very light weight and use the Speeds for long runs as well as runs with speed elements. Martha. PS, Andy, as someone who does best in light shoes, I’m open to recommendations besides HOKA for long, easy run shoes.
That’s it, they’ll have you covered for sure 👌 I’ll be honest I also use either the speed or tempo long runs too, in terms of lightweight the rocket x is nice but also the fuelcell TC is a great long run trainer!
Hi Andy received my Mach 4s couple of days ago and i tend to agree with you it is slightly over rated. The problem with Hoka's they are not versatile when it comes to adapting to different shapes of feet. My first run i had to cut short due to my right heel getting very sore although i did enjoy the ride. As you say Andy it's a very good cruiser bit like a Rolls Royce of running shoes. The Brooks Hyperion Tempo is also a very good shoe but being a lighter runner i find it quite hard and my feet after about six to eight miles are crying out for some care and attention so i tend to use it for my speed sessions. If you combined these two shoes i think you would end up with something like the Endorphin speed which does everything that these two shoes can do and feels more like a racing shoe on your foot and you don't notice it's there at all.
Yeah slightly overhyped but still a solid shoe and very enjoyable as you said. I agree, they aren’t the most adaptable to your feet sadly but I’m grateful they work well for me!
Thanks for the video. I have almost 750km on my Hyperion Tempos and they still feel great. I have also run a fair bit in the Speeds, but the Hyperion Tempos just work better for me. I tried on the Mach 4 but they didn't fit comfortably - I seem to be an outlier here!
Great mileage in the tempo, awesome aren’t they! Yeah the Mach 4s seem to tick the box for most people but a few commented on previous videos saying it just didn’t work for them
I finally got my hands on an endorphin speed today. Oh my. Did some strides and plan on doing my long run in them. It’s raining here and didn’t want them wet on their first day. Strides felt great. I do love the Mach 4 for my daily work and long miles. Not too squishy but squishy enough. Legs just keep rolling along. Replaced my peg 37. Hyperion tempo is aud300 so doesn’t get a look in from me.
I had all 3 of them but I returned the Mach4 after 50k. Why? You nailed it. For easy days I enjoy the Novablast providing more pop and the NB 1080v11 is just the better go to choice for longer runs and recovery.
Great video Andy! Having got Endorphin Speed recently, for me that’s a good idea putting Mach 4 in my rotation (when they arrive in Brazil) for marathon and half marathon training (easy and moderate pace), that currently I am using Infinity Run and Turbo 2 in.
I have about 50 miles in the Mach4. I love it. You are right, it’s not very fast, but it’s a great light weight shoe to put on and cruise. Easy miles that you don’t have to think about. It’s light, great upper, and smooth. Not nearly as fast as the Endorphin speed though.
Hi Andy, what a great idea to compare that 3 shoes! :) I've got already all of them and each shoe is great but different feel. Love all three! :) Just yesterday went on the first run in Mach 4 and it's awesome, very comfy, looks even better than Clifton 7. But for me the top is Endorphin Speed, this is like a "KING" among running shoes. Also Hyperion is great but more stiff feel than Endorphin Speed. Speed seem to me the most versatile and really great, bouncy, comfy and speedy shoes, the best combination of those three features. Hyperion Tempo seems to me the fastest of them, but my legs are the least tired after whatever run in Endorphin Speed. So all great, but each excels in something different. :) Thank you so much for another great review! Best, Peter.
Your're absolutely right about Mach 4 that this is a great complementary shoe to the rotation with Endorphin Speed and Hyperion Tempo. Also noticed that to get more speed in Mach 4, legs need to work more than to get the same higher speed in Speed or Hyperion Tempo. But, Mach 4 is very very comfortable, great feel. I would say ideal for steady runs, not really high tempo workouts/intervals. But for some fartleks, changing speed, slower to higher and vice versa, not bad too.
Yeah legs definitely need to work more in the Mach 4 to get the speed up but as you said, the speed is the most natural of the 3 shoes without a doubt, I just find the tempo ideal for those marathon paced workouts!! So glad you love all 3, appreciate you watching!
@@TheFODRunner I would be very curious about what's the difference, I mean in the feeling", between Endorphin Speed and Freedom 4. Freedom 4 has the same midsole PWRRUN PB, but without nylon plate and lower drop, maybe something similar like Mach 4? :)
@@TheFODRunner Thank you Andy! Appreciate you always read my comments and respond! Very kind of you and love your channel, reviews, thoughts! Keep on doing it :)
Mach 4 is great for long runs a lovely mile muncher. If the Vomero 14 and the Peg Trubo 2 had a baby it would be the Mach 4. I had to go ½ size up in Mach 4. Love it!
Good video Andy, may well get some Mach 4's to eat up easy miles. Price is a bit top heavy for an easy shoe but I like Hoka's 30 day money back thing if you don't get on with it. What's your go to shoe at the moment for easy miles? Training looks like it's going well. I've moved house (well actually bought my first!) over this last week so have been watching your stuff in very small intervals when I've had chance....mainly in between doing flat pack! Keep up the good work!
Yeah the 30 days money back is great, for me that makes them well worth a try and to be honest I’m mixing between the Mach 4 and the solar boost 3 for my easy runs at the moment. Appreciate you tuning in despite all the madness!
Andy, your thoughts are spot on. Not even sure they compare to the Rincons. Curious about your thoughts on hill workouts. Wondering if the swallow tail will deepen impact on downhills. The Speeds just don’t work for me, wondering if Carbon X2 would work better or should I stick with the Pros (250+ miles and still going strong), which like you, I love.
Thanks! Once this training block is complete there will be plenty of hills to test these one, but with their wider base I always find them a good hill option flying downhill, just like I did with the rincon
I have the Mach 4 and I have to say, I find it a nice shoe to run at speed in. I haven't tried either of the others in this video but I would be happy to use Mach 4 for tempo sessions. Definitely a great mp and long run shoe
@@rossfripp4503 I used to live there.... if you google map “railway road” in Ruspidge, half way along there, there’s a bridge that crosses over into the forest and you’re straight on the trails! It’s also about 5 minutes from my house 😂
@@chocolatechow7697 a few runners have reported stability issues but I've never struggled with them. There's rumours of a Novablast 2 coming soon, so v1 could become a steal.
Machs are proving to be a very solid daily shoe right now! But they don’t quite match up to my beloved novablasts, nowhere near the softness and bounciness!
Not getting any of these, however after running in nb fuelcell prisms all week I put on the novablast yesterday, wow what a difference, felt so heavy. I really do love the novablast, just like the prisms more, I'm going to be investing in another pair for race days 😁
Perfect review...I was waiting for this..cleared my doubts...thank you :) between mach 4 vs rocket x which will be better for training (main) plus competition if there is only budget to spend for 1?
Awesome thanks for watching! If you’re going to be using it for racing then it would have to be the rocket x.... the Mach 4 will be great for training but it wouldn’t be on my list as a race shoe
thank you :) I guess then I will try rocket x.... i want to train (longer runs above 25 km) in the same shoes that I race in.. as it will be my first marathon ..dont want to try anything new 😬
Nice review 👍🏼. I am a huge fan of the speeds. Recently I've got the tempos. I find that the tempos are more stable then the speeds. What's your opinion on this?
Hi Andy, your hints for the Rocket X were right. Now I have to decide between these 3 , I get along really well with Hoka, but I’m so curious on the Brooks, which I think is also lighter... my marathon pace it’s around 6:40... which one would you pick? 😁
For training I can’t lie and say the tempo has been the go to shoe this training block! For racing though I’d chose the rocket x as it’ll be more comfy over the distance I think
Hi Andy.. Change of topic regarding refuelling. Please could you provide a list of your recovery drinks. I’m using high five at the moment for my long runs so wondering if there any decent alternatives out there? I saw the latest vlog from the Welsh runner and you both ran 22 miles with dead legs so to able to do that your drinks and gels must be pretty decent 👍
The Mach 4 weirdly is quite roomy for a hoka shoe, definitely more roomy than the other hokas but for me the tempo has the widest and best fitting toebox of them all
Hey Andy, I’m looking at either the Mach or the Hyperion Tempo for my next pair; which would you say is more versatile between the 2? I do have the speed. The only thing that’s making me have second thoughts is that the Hyperion Tempo is $40 more over the Mach here in Canada.
The mach4 will compliment the speed better as the tempo is much more similar to the speed in terms of what it can do! Having said that I quite enjoy easy running in the tempo as well and as I’m really loving that right now I’d personally go with tempo.... but logically for a better rotation the Mach 4 makes sense
@@TheFODRunner first of all, I really appreciate you taking time to try to acknowledge the questions people ask you Andy. Moving on to the Mach and Tempo, the concern I have with the Mach is the durability. I’m afraid it’ll be like the Rincon which loses life pretty early. And as you said about the Tempo, it is worth its premium price and is a bit lighter than the Mach too right?
@@tieloo8842 yeah that’s always been my worry with hokas. I think the mach4 definitely has a longer lifespan than the rincon but how much longer? I don’t know... whereas the tempo is nearly at 300 miles for me and still going really strong! I think it’ll be a solid 400+ shoe! If I remember rightly the tempo is a tiny tiny bit lighter yes
Love my endorphin speeds. Haven’t tried the Hyperion but the Mach 4s were really disappointing . I even like running easy days in my speeds more than it. They feel really firm and dead to me. For a light weight easy day shoes the rebel v2 in my extremely mediocre runners opinion is leaps and bounds better for easy days.
Hi Andy, honest answer mate, how much difference does the nike next % make? I have so many running shoes, my faves are the Speed & Pro. I am keen on the next % 2, but wondering how much difference the next % would give me against the Pro? I'm also considering the next Asics Meta Speed Sky due next week. 😁
Yeah I have to say the next% is my favourite racer but I wouldn’t say there’s much in it. Having said that for a cheaper price if the next%2 I do think that’s much better value for money! Yes those two ASICS shoes look insane
@@TheFODRunner I noticed they are calling the next %2 a racing shoe, bit the original which is still on sale at 30 quid dearer is called a running shoe. Makes you wonder how they will be able to see both versions at different prices.
Two runs in my Mach4s so far and really enjoying them as a replacement for my Rincon2. I am not fast at all so these will suit me for practically all my runs, as did the Rincon Have to say though I really love running trails in my Torrent2 also the ProFly midsole. Thanks for the video, if I ever speed up, I may go for the Saucony!
Same here, I am not a fast runner too. I do however order a pair of Saucony Speed for my racing day, (not sure when will that be though ). Saucony Pro is probably overkill for me
Yes, the Speed has the pop for quicker paces. The Mach 4 is a great addition to the daily trainer rotation and has replaced my Clifton. Sorry Clifton. ☹️
Endorphin Speed is 35-28 drop and Hyperion Tempo 28-20, so presume the Endorphin Speed would be better suited to a marathon distance and Hyperion Tempo to half?
The prisms are a good matchup to the Mach 4, a daily trainer that can do it all. Again, a bit less of the interval/speed work but certainly the prism shines at half marathon pace and below just like the Mach 4
Just out of curiosity are you still using your Atreyu’s? I remember you comparing the Hyperion Tempo to the standard Atreyu and them being close. Just wondering how many miles you got in the Atreyu compared to the Hyperion Tempos?
Yes they did have a similar feel! I retired the atreyus to my casual walking shoes since at around 120/130 miles whilst they still had a bit of life left in them and they’re so comfy! The tempos however far exceeded them in terms of durability
Hmmmm tough call but just for its light weight build I’d go with the mach4, it’s quite nice to have a light weight daily shoe! 1080 for those recovery runs though for the cushion but mach4 for everything else
Just been tempted to buy Brooks Hyperion Tempo as Up & Running are selling with 10% off all Brooks shoes so got for £126. Got the Speed already so will try to extend those by mixing up with the Tempo. May save the Speed for races and quicker intervals. Interestingly, went back to traditional race flats for intervals this week and noticeably sorer the next day than using the Speeds. Shows how much the newer foams help
Would a comparison to the Novablast and the Mach 4 be more “fair?”. I’ve got the speeds as my fast/interval/long runs shoe and novas and Mach 4s as my daily / easy days to support.
Yeah probably would be a very fair comparison, I’d say maybe the novablast is “designed” more for easy / steady days as a highly cushioned big stack shoe but I’ve actually used both shoes in a similar way, and I prefer the novablast 👌
took the mach 4 for a spin yesterday, it's perfect for easy runs and does indeed fit like a glove. it definitely compliments the endorphin speed for me. as well as the carbon-x
Fantastic 👌 yes a great compliment shoe for the speed for sure
I totally agree with your awesome review it’s a great complement to the Saucony Endorphins speed. I have them both and I love them both.
Agree this review is honest and informative. And I appreciate that you spelled complement right in the context! 👍🏻Martha
Agree 100% with you. I am using all 3 for training and the Mach 4 I was expecting more from, but I guess I need to find the sweet spot for them like you did. I absolutely love the Speed and Tempo. My 2 favorite shoes ever.
That’s awesome, glad you like yours! The speed and tempo are definitely next level aren’t they 👌
@@TheFODRunner yup. Still figuring out the mach 4. I feel like I need to work harder and the energy return isn't the same as some daily trainers however.
Ohhh. I didn’t expect this review, but I am so glad you have done this! I need a speedy shoe in my rotation and the Hyperion tempos and the Endorphin speed are on my watch list. Depends which one comes in stock in my size.
Awesome, appreciate you watching!
Another spot on review, ran in my Mach 4’s this morning and your description of them and their usefulness is spot on. Thanks for your honest opinion on these. Great comparison and break down of how they can work together to help us reach our goals. 💪💪
Awesome thanks mate glad you agree! Definitely a great shoe to put with either or both of these 👌
Interesting - I have all 3 shoes in my rotation. I must say that since picking up the Speeds, the Tempos haven’t seen the light of day. They’re another level for me. My Tempos are approaching 300m too. I have found the midsole is just a bit too firm for my liking and has little energy return vs. the Speeds. As for the Mach 4 - I agree. It was evident from my first run that it wasn’t a speed shoe. It’s extremely comfortable, and I’ll continue to use it as an easy/steady/MP shoe. Overhyped for sure, but still a good daily shoe nonetheless.
Awesome to hear! Yes still a fantastic shoe and slots in well to the rotation alongside the speed and tempo!
Also cheaper.
Absolutely spot on review Andy! Your insight on the differences and comparables between shoe types is proving to be invaluable in deciding what to buy and for what purpose. You ROCK my friend and keep up the great work!! 👍👍
That’s great, glad you get value from this, appreciate it!! Thank you!
The REVIEW i was waiting for !!!!
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I absolutely love the speed for faster stuff. I may pick up the Mach for everything else. You may have convinced me to try the Hyperion tempo as well. Alright buy them all
Haha good stuff, you can never have enough shoes!
Endorsing both the Speeds and Tempos which I have and love
Was just googling Hyperion Vs Speed last night. Good timing!
Fantastic!
About to hit 400miles in my Mach 4’s so decided to pick up the speed v1’s for only $115 to see what all the 2020 hype was about! Super excited
Solid mileage from the Mach 4s, clearly much more durable than some hokas! $115 for the speeds is a bargain, hope they serve you well!
I finally began to use Hyperion for intervals, fartlek and long runs. It is a workhorse of a shoe. I am so glad that I bought it. mach 4 doesn't attract me that much. I rather stick to NB. 1080. Max cushioned shoe, but can do it all
Yeah the tempo is definitely a workhorse shoe, just eats up the miles!
100% agree having run in all three. Mach 4 is more of a daily trainer that is light than a performance speed trainer.
It’s quite nice using it as a daily trainer isn’t it, nice and light weight!
Many people have been digging hyperion Tempo but for me it was very firm and like having a brick under foot. 😊 Mach 4 is an amazing shoe though! Handles most sessions besides the really quick ones.
Interesting! They are firmer but for me as a taller heavier runner they soften up quite a lot after 100 miles
The best tempo shoes review! Thank you for the great video with your great insights !!
Thanks for watching!
Have enjoyed all 3 shoes. For me (2:41 marathon PB) the speeds are the closest ride I have had to a vapourfly and cope with sub 6 min/mile no problem. I possibly even prefer them to the endorphin pro to be honest. They aren’t the most stable shoe however in poor conditions so took a back seat through winter.
The Hyperion tempo feels closer to a cross between an old racing flat and fast trainer. It feels more stable, is firmer and lower to the ground. I don’t feel as protected or fast in this personally but it copes with low 6s for me and I would run tempo and sustained efforts or medium long in it.
Enjoying the Mach 4 but for me as you say it is complimentary. Fast speeds don’t feel as effortless but it is a very nice ride and very stable for the stack.
For medium long to long runs on the road that aren’t involving marathon pace efforts I would reach for this. Feels very nice closer to 6:30-6:40 paces for me but doesn’t have that snap that begs to go faster like the speed or indeed the vapourfly.
Sounds like you use the shoes very similar to me, albeit maybe swap the speed and tempo around! Yes the speed does strike a resemblance to the vaporfly but the one that feels like they should be “related” the the fuelcell TC? Not sure if you’ve ever tried that but wow, that’s an amazing training partner for the next%
That’s the first time I’ve heard the word specificity in a shoe review 😉 I have to admit i like all 3 but the Hyperion Tempo is a tad low to the ground so I don’t reach for it as much as the Speed for faster stuff. I need to use them more. Perhaps I own too many shoes..... nah
Haha 😂 awesome to hear your feedback, and no, you can never own too many shoes! 😀
Bear in mind that for slower runners more used to a bog standard trainer, the light weight Mach 4 feels pretty amazing. I’ve only run twice in mine but they feel like a more cruisey Turbo 2 with a more comfortable upper and better lockdown. Just what I want for logging easy-steady miles. I suspect it’s a more suitable shoe for those of us who operate around the 5:30 minute km steady pace than an Endorphin Speed.
Yeah I can understand that, they’ve become a firm favourite now of mine around the easy/moderate pace and already got 80 miles in 👌 glad to hear you’re loving yours!
Bought the endorphin speed on your recommendation and I never want to take them off! Honestly head and shoulders above anything else I've had. Problem is I want to use them on ALL runs 😂🙈
They’re amazing aren’t they, an absolute game changer
Great comparison video. As you said yourself in a earlier video you buy shoes to fit into your rotation. I’ve only put 11 miles into my speeds. I don’t want to get them dirty.😂
Thanks claire! You need to wait for the summer months to take them out more, 11 miles is just not enough for such an awesome shoe 😂
Completely agree, mach 4 with endorphin speed are the only 2 shoes one needs in their collection
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I have all 3 of these shoes. I absolutely love my tempos and speeds. I’ve commented here before about how much I love them. I agree with you regarding the pop of both the speed and tempo. Those shoes are in a complete league of their own.
That being said I love the Mach 4 from the moment I put it on my foot. While the top end speed isn’t the same as the other two shoes it is still a nice lightweight nimble shoe. There is something about it where you just lock in the pace and go. I think it’s what you cal the gliding aspect. I can just set my pace with relative ease and not think about it at all.
I’m about to take the Mach 4 on a 20 mile long run in a few hours. Interested to see how does. It’s really windy here today so hopefully I’m not fighting it too much. Great video Andy!!
Glad you love them all! Yes I remember you saying you were a fan of them 👌 the fit of the Mach 4s are insanely good and like you said, you can just pop them on and lock into that pace and just glide along! Good luck with the long run!
Completely agree with your comments Andy re: rotation (i have the speed, more recently the mach). Reserving the mach for long runs, finding up to 10k they are just "OK" then as you go further they really start to make sense - so easy to hold a moderate pace and rhythm for as far as you want to take them.
Fantastic glad you agree and glad you’re enjoying both of the shoes!
I have both and love them for different reasons.
Awesome 👌
Love the speed as a daily trainer. It can just do anything. Perfectly happy at 5min + per km and also down at 400m rep speed on workout days. Best all around shoe I’ve run in. Pushing 600km in mine now.
Recently bought the Mach 4 on the back of the UA-cam hype. It’s a very comfortable upper, beautiful fit and it’s a perfectly competent shoe. It just doesn’t fill me with joy to run in. I can’t really think where in my rotation it fits. It’ll come in handy I’m sure.
Never tried any kind of Brooks shoe. Maybe next on the purchase list (unless the NB Fuel Cell Rebel V2 gets there first).
Yeah agree on the Mach 4, ideal fit and great feel, comfy upper but a confusing one to start with.... mine has found its home now as a good moderate trainer with some easy too
Thanks for this informative comparison. It confirms that the Tempos and Speeds-my main rotation models along with the Boston 9's-have me covered. I haven’t had great luck with HOKA, and my temptation to try the Mach 4 because of the buzz has been appeased by this. I am very light weight and use the Speeds for long runs as well as runs with speed elements. Martha. PS, Andy, as someone who does best in light shoes, I’m open to recommendations besides HOKA for long, easy run shoes.
That’s it, they’ll have you covered for sure 👌 I’ll be honest I also use either the speed or tempo long runs too, in terms of lightweight the rocket x is nice but also the fuelcell TC is a great long run trainer!
Hi Andy received my Mach 4s couple of days ago and i tend to agree with you it is slightly over rated. The problem with Hoka's they are not versatile when it comes to adapting to different shapes of feet. My first run i had to cut short due to my right heel getting very sore although i did enjoy the ride. As you say Andy it's a very good cruiser bit like a Rolls Royce of running shoes. The Brooks Hyperion Tempo is also a very good shoe but being a lighter runner i find it quite hard and my feet after about six to eight miles are crying out for some care and attention so i tend to use it for my speed sessions. If you combined these two shoes i think you would end up with something like the Endorphin speed which does everything that these two shoes can do and feels more like a racing shoe on your foot and you don't notice it's there at all.
Yeah slightly overhyped but still a solid shoe and very enjoyable as you said. I agree, they aren’t the most adaptable to your feet sadly but I’m grateful they work well for me!
Thanks for the video. I have almost 750km on my Hyperion Tempos and they still feel great. I have also run a fair bit in the Speeds, but the Hyperion Tempos just work better for me. I tried on the Mach 4 but they didn't fit comfortably - I seem to be an outlier here!
Great mileage in the tempo, awesome aren’t they! Yeah the Mach 4s seem to tick the box for most people but a few commented on previous videos saying it just didn’t work for them
I finally got my hands on an endorphin speed today. Oh my. Did some strides and plan on doing my long run in them. It’s raining here and didn’t want them wet on their first day. Strides felt great. I do love the Mach 4 for my daily work and long miles. Not too squishy but squishy enough. Legs just keep rolling along. Replaced my peg 37. Hyperion tempo is aud300 so doesn’t get a look in from me.
Haha when you try the speed for the first time it’s rather magical isn’t it!!
I had all 3 of them but I returned the Mach4 after 50k. Why? You nailed it. For easy days I enjoy the Novablast providing more pop and the NB 1080v11 is just the better go to choice for longer runs and recovery.
Yeah I can totally understand, the novablast still gets my vote over this just because of how amazing it is!
Great video Andy! Having got Endorphin Speed recently, for me that’s a good idea putting Mach 4 in my rotation (when they arrive in Brazil) for marathon and half marathon training (easy and moderate pace), that currently I am using Infinity Run and Turbo 2 in.
Yeah it’ll be a great addition to your rotation for sure!
@@TheFODRunner Mach 4 or Rincon 2?
Mach 4
I have about 50 miles in the Mach4. I love it. You are right, it’s not very fast, but it’s a great light weight shoe to put on and cruise. Easy miles that you don’t have to think about. It’s light, great upper, and smooth. Not nearly as fast as the Endorphin speed though.
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Hi Andy, what a great idea to compare that 3 shoes! :) I've got already all of them and each shoe is great but different feel. Love all three! :) Just yesterday went on the first run in Mach 4 and it's awesome, very comfy, looks even better than Clifton 7. But for me the top is Endorphin Speed, this is like a "KING" among running shoes. Also Hyperion is great but more stiff feel than Endorphin Speed. Speed seem to me the most versatile and really great, bouncy, comfy and speedy shoes, the best combination of those three features. Hyperion Tempo seems to me the fastest of them, but my legs are the least tired after whatever run in Endorphin Speed. So all great, but each excels in something different. :) Thank you so much for another great review! Best, Peter.
Your're absolutely right about Mach 4 that this is a great complementary shoe to the rotation with Endorphin Speed and Hyperion Tempo. Also noticed that to get more speed in Mach 4, legs need to work more than to get the same higher speed in Speed or Hyperion Tempo. But, Mach 4 is very very comfortable, great feel. I would say ideal for steady runs, not really high tempo workouts/intervals. But for some fartleks, changing speed, slower to higher and vice versa, not bad too.
Yeah legs definitely need to work more in the Mach 4 to get the speed up but as you said, the speed is the most natural of the 3 shoes without a doubt, I just find the tempo ideal for those marathon paced workouts!! So glad you love all 3, appreciate you watching!
@@TheFODRunner I would be very curious about what's the difference, I mean in the feeling", between Endorphin Speed and Freedom 4. Freedom 4 has the same midsole PWRRUN PB, but without nylon plate and lower drop, maybe something similar like Mach 4? :)
@@peterkisidaj9329 I’d love to tell you but I haven’t tried the freedom 4! Would be definitely interesting to know though 👌
@@TheFODRunner Thank you Andy! Appreciate you always read my comments and respond! Very kind of you and love your channel, reviews, thoughts! Keep on doing it :)
Mach 4 is great for long runs a lovely mile muncher. If the Vomero 14 and the Peg Trubo 2 had a baby it would be the Mach 4. I had to go ½ size up in Mach 4. Love it!
Good video Andy, may well get some Mach 4's to eat up easy miles. Price is a bit top heavy for an easy shoe but I like Hoka's 30 day money back thing if you don't get on with it. What's your go to shoe at the moment for easy miles?
Training looks like it's going well. I've moved house (well actually bought my first!) over this last week so have been watching your stuff in very small intervals when I've had chance....mainly in between doing flat pack! Keep up the good work!
Yeah the 30 days money back is great, for me that makes them well worth a try and to be honest I’m mixing between the Mach 4 and the solar boost 3 for my easy runs at the moment. Appreciate you tuning in despite all the madness!
Andy, your thoughts are spot on. Not even sure they compare to the Rincons. Curious about your thoughts on hill workouts. Wondering if the swallow tail will deepen impact on downhills. The Speeds just don’t work for me, wondering if Carbon X2 would work better or should I stick with the Pros (250+ miles and still going strong), which like you, I love.
Thanks! Once this training block is complete there will be plenty of hills to test these one, but with their wider base I always find them a good hill option flying downhill, just like I did with the rincon
I have the Mach 4 and I have to say, I find it a nice shoe to run at speed in. I haven't tried either of the others in this video but I would be happy to use Mach 4 for tempo sessions.
Definitely a great mp and long run shoe
MP is definitely it’s sweet spot for sure!
Great review, by the way. Awesome effort on the marathon training block as well. The sub 2 40 is looking nailed on!
Thank you!
I love the Hyperion Tempo
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Good comparison. The Mach 4 looks good, but I' m kind of holding out for the Rebel 2. That looks like it will fall into a similar category.
Yeah I’m keen to try the rebel 2 as well 👍
After being jealous of your amazing trail footage I've actually just booked a week's holiday away not far from Cinderford!
Haha that’s amazing!! You’ll love the trails here, it’s epic, they go in for miles and miles and miles!
@@TheFODRunner can't wait. Staying in Ruspidge so RIGHT on the border of some amazing looking trails!
@@rossfripp4503 I used to live there.... if you google map “railway road” in Ruspidge, half way along there, there’s a bridge that crosses over into the forest and you’re straight on the trails! It’s also about 5 minutes from my house 😂
@@TheFODRunner perfect, I've just found the bridge you're on about. Cheers mate, and good luck for the rest of your training!
@@rossfripp4503 thank you!
great comparison
Thank you!
Love my Endorphin speeds Andy, very tempted by the Mach's as my next everyday shoe. Would like to hear your thoughts, Mach 4 vs Novablast??
Love my novablast, havent tried Mach4 yet, waiting for my icon speed from Canada. Cant wait to see a comparison test between these 2 ( nova and mach).
p.s. my friend finds Novablast's stability to be an issue. Maybe due to the fact my daily route consists little sharp turns, I have no such problem.
@@chocolatechow7697 a few runners have reported stability issues but I've never struggled with them. There's rumours of a Novablast 2 coming soon, so v1 could become a steal.
@@iandroberts75 so many shoes so little time
Machs are proving to be a very solid daily shoe right now! But they don’t quite match up to my beloved novablasts, nowhere near the softness and bounciness!
Not getting any of these, however after running in nb fuelcell prisms all week I put on the novablast yesterday, wow what a difference, felt so heavy. I really do love the novablast, just like the prisms more, I'm going to be investing in another pair for race days 😁
Yeah prisms are so light compared to the novablasts aren’t they!!
@@TheFODRunner yea so much lighter, I was running downhill at 5.06 pace the other day 😳😳 not for long though 🤣🤣
What about sizing?
Are these run same length wise?
Yes I went true to size in all 3 of these shoes 👌
Perfect review...I was waiting for this..cleared my doubts...thank you :)
between mach 4 vs rocket x which will be better for training (main) plus competition if there is only budget to spend for 1?
Awesome thanks for watching! If you’re going to be using it for racing then it would have to be the rocket x.... the Mach 4 will be great for training but it wouldn’t be on my list as a race shoe
thank you :) I guess then I will try rocket x.... i want to train (longer runs above 25 km) in the same shoes that I race in.. as it will be my first marathon ..dont want to try anything new 😬
Nice review 👍🏼. I am a huge fan of the speeds. Recently I've got the tempos. I find that the tempos are more stable then the speeds. What's your opinion on this?
Yeah I think you’re right there, the tempos are slightly firmer and therefore provide a more stable platform
Hi Andy, your hints for the Rocket X were right. Now I have to decide between these 3 , I get along really well with Hoka, but I’m so curious on the Brooks, which I think is also lighter... my marathon pace it’s around 6:40... which one would you pick? 😁
For training I can’t lie and say the tempo has been the go to shoe this training block! For racing though I’d chose the rocket x as it’ll be more comfy over the distance I think
@@TheFODRunner Awesome thanks a lot
Which is best for road running shoes..??
Hyperion tempo
@@TheFODRunner okay 😊👍
Hi Andy..
Change of topic regarding refuelling.
Please could you provide a list of your recovery drinks.
I’m using high five at the moment for my long runs so wondering if there any decent alternatives out there?
I saw the latest vlog from the Welsh runner and you both ran 22 miles with dead legs so to able to do that your drinks and gels must be pretty decent 👍
Yeah I used unived recovery shakes after every hard effort and long run, you can grab them from xmiles.co.uk
@@TheFODRunner cheers Andy.. much appreciated 👍
A lot of reviewers loving the hyperion tempo, but it's a shoe I rarely see people talk about having. It's weird, in contrast to the endo speed.
Yeah I know, the thing for me is the tempo came to life after 100 miles and has really shone since then!
Keen for an easy day shoe, how does the mach 4 compare to the clifton?
I haven’t tried the Clifton myself but a lot of people are saying they prefer this one to the Clifton!
If you have a slightly wide forefoot, which shoe would be best fit? Feel like the Mach 4 might be a bit narrow?
The Mach 4 weirdly is quite roomy for a hoka shoe, definitely more roomy than the other hokas but for me the tempo has the widest and best fitting toebox of them all
Clash of the Titans! Sick to see a 130 dollar shoe versus 150/60
All 3 are top top shoes 👌
Hey Andy, I’m looking at either the Mach or the Hyperion Tempo for my next pair; which would you say is more versatile between the 2? I do have the speed. The only thing that’s making me have second thoughts is that the Hyperion Tempo is $40 more over the Mach here in Canada.
The mach4 will compliment the speed better as the tempo is much more similar to the speed in terms of what it can do! Having said that I quite enjoy easy running in the tempo as well and as I’m really loving that right now I’d personally go with tempo.... but logically for a better rotation the Mach 4 makes sense
@@TheFODRunner first of all, I really appreciate you taking time to try to acknowledge the questions people ask you Andy. Moving on to the Mach and Tempo, the concern I have with the Mach is the durability. I’m afraid it’ll be like the Rincon which loses life pretty early. And as you said about the Tempo, it is worth its premium price and is a bit lighter than the Mach too right?
@@tieloo8842 yeah that’s always been my worry with hokas. I think the mach4 definitely has a longer lifespan than the rincon but how much longer? I don’t know... whereas the tempo is nearly at 300 miles for me and still going really strong! I think it’ll be a solid 400+ shoe! If I remember rightly the tempo is a tiny tiny bit lighter yes
@@TheFODRunner appreciate the help Andy! stay safe out there!
Love my endorphin speeds. Haven’t tried the Hyperion but the Mach 4s were really disappointing . I even like running easy days in my speeds more than it. They feel really firm and dead to me. For a light weight easy day shoes the rebel v2 in my extremely mediocre runners opinion is leaps and bounds better for easy days.
Yeah the speeds can definitely be used across the board, I found them great from moderate pace upwards but also did the odd easy run in them 👌
Could not run in the Mach 4, it was too wide for my narrow feet. Enjoy the speed though, and thinking about Hyperion.
Ah that’s a shame! Yes the speeds are epic aren’t they 👌
very nice how does it compere to the novablast?????????
The novablast is more cushioned and bouncy but the Mach 4 is lighter.... I still prefer the novablast myself
Hi Andy, honest answer mate, how much difference does the nike next % make? I have so many running shoes, my faves are the Speed & Pro. I am keen on the next % 2, but wondering how much difference the next % would give me against the Pro? I'm also considering the next Asics Meta Speed Sky due next week. 😁
Yeah I have to say the next% is my favourite racer but I wouldn’t say there’s much in it. Having said that for a cheaper price if the next%2 I do think that’s much better value for money! Yes those two ASICS shoes look insane
@@TheFODRunner I noticed they are calling the next %2 a racing shoe, bit the original which is still on sale at 30 quid dearer is called a running shoe. Makes you wonder how they will be able to see both versions at different prices.
I’m curious, definitely going to try and grab a pair to see what it’s all about
@@TheFODRunner I think only change is the upper, I tried the original on but sent them back the same day as I didn't like the plastic bag feel😁
Yeah the upper isn’t the nicest feeling on the main version but I found once I was running it was fine 👌
Hmm intresting.. still confuse on mach 4 sizing, do we need whole size up from actual size?
I went actual size and it was fine for me 👌
@@TheFODRunner wow no space left in toe box.. after run 2 miles toe become swallow
Two runs in my Mach4s so far and really enjoying them as a replacement for my Rincon2. I am not fast at all so these will suit me for practically all my runs, as did the Rincon Have to say though I really love running trails in my Torrent2 also the ProFly midsole. Thanks for the video, if I ever speed up, I may go for the Saucony!
Awesome well done, I also think they’re a solid upgrade from the rincons 👌 the torrents are a fantastic trail shoe!
Same here, I am not a fast runner too. I do however order a pair of Saucony Speed for my racing day, (not sure when will that be though ). Saucony Pro is probably overkill for me
Yes, the Speed has the pop for quicker paces. The Mach 4 is a great addition to the daily trainer rotation and has replaced my Clifton. Sorry Clifton. ☹️
Awesome stuff 👌 yes I remember you saying they were replacing your chiffons! I must try the cliftons at some point
Endorphin Speed is 35-28 drop and Hyperion Tempo 28-20, so presume the Endorphin Speed would be better suited to a marathon distance and Hyperion Tempo to half?
I’d probably prefer to race in the speed yes, but for my training I’ve really chosen the tempo over the speed!
How do the NB prism stand up to the speed and the brooks
The prisms are a good matchup to the Mach 4, a daily trainer that can do it all. Again, a bit less of the interval/speed work but certainly the prism shines at half marathon pace and below just like the Mach 4
Speed still a better shoe, but Mach 4 is prob my favorite Hoka shoe currently on the market
It’s definitely the best hoka shoe I’ve tried for sure 👌 that and the rocket x are the direction hoka should keep going in!
Just out of curiosity are you still using your Atreyu’s? I remember you comparing the Hyperion Tempo to the standard Atreyu and them being close. Just wondering how many miles you got in the Atreyu compared to the Hyperion Tempos?
Yes they did have a similar feel! I retired the atreyus to my casual walking shoes since at around 120/130 miles whilst they still had a bit of life left in them and they’re so comfy! The tempos however far exceeded them in terms of durability
Thanks for the quick reply and good information! Love your channel!
Thank you!
Good video as always. 🔥
How is mach 4 feel compare to Asics Novablast?
Can't wait to see 400miles update on Novablast.. 😅🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Thanks! Haha yeah 393 miles in the novablast now! Novablast is softer and bouncier but Mach 4 is lighter, I prefer the novablast still
Mach 4 vs 1080v10?
Hmmmm tough call but just for its light weight build I’d go with the mach4, it’s quite nice to have a light weight daily shoe! 1080 for those recovery runs though for the cushion but mach4 for everything else
Appreciate your insight!
Just been tempted to buy Brooks Hyperion Tempo as Up & Running are selling with 10% off all Brooks shoes so got for £126.
Got the Speed already so will try to extend those by mixing up with the Tempo. May save the Speed for races and quicker intervals.
Interestingly, went back to traditional race flats for intervals this week and noticeably sorer the next day than using the Speeds. Shows how much the newer foams help
That’s an awesome price for the tempos 👌 yeah technology and foam has come a long way, definitely makes the world of difference
Would a comparison to the Novablast and the Mach 4 be more “fair?”. I’ve got the speeds as my fast/interval/long runs shoe and novas and Mach 4s as my daily / easy days to support.
Yeah probably would be a very fair comparison, I’d say maybe the novablast is “designed” more for easy / steady days as a highly cushioned big stack shoe but I’ve actually used both shoes in a similar way, and I prefer the novablast 👌
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