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The “you don't need therapy, you just need Jesus” made my life so much more difficult. This leads to people suffering needlessly. Christianity is exhausting.
Not only that, but the way she says that only Jesus can help is super weird. Like, look at all the people who have overcome depression who don’t believe in Jesus. What about them?
I still can't get over how when evangelical Christians try to explain why they love Jesus, they start describing the behaviors of a domestic abuser. If a human partner had said such controlling and manipulative things to them, that would be an immediate red flag.
The relationship with god that evangelicals describe is a 1:1 recreation of narcissistic parental abuse. When you consider that people tend to project their own relationships with their parents onto god, it all makes perfect sense.
Well put. It’s like they don’t hear what they’re saying. They could easily say “because he made the ultimate sacrifice, because he loves me and puts me before himself,” but they never say that, do they? It’s always some scary recollection like “he breaks me down to build me up.” Yikes.
That's actually how I started deconstructing. Christianity set me up to be the perfect abuse victim, and I found my self in a 17 yr relationship with an alcoholic who was also a narcissist. Once I finally stopped listening to the church and left, I started learning about narcissism and the tactics used to keep me trapped for so long. Then I started slowly making the connection to my relationship with God. (My phone still automatically capitalizes the g) and I quickly began deconstructing from Christianity.
It's weird to me that "Sexual dreams" is on the same level as ongoing sickness and extreme fatigue. One of these things is a normal, harmless event, and the others are signs that you need medical help. And none of these things are going to be solved by putting essential oils on your doorframe.
they’re afraid of any sexual feelings because Jesus himself said (paraphrase) that thoughts are the same as actions, and specifically pointed out lust as that example. Correct me if im wrong.
it's always the same.. everything that is wrong with you shows you were not good enough, not strong enough in faith, it's definitely your fault... so you get remorseful and accept the next silliness they demand of you with even less resistence...
As a Christian that surprised me as well, because my Christian social group talked about sexual dreams more like as "allowed exception". My Christian mentors described them like normal part of life or gift from God (not in creepy way, I promise 😅). Not to mention, how else you're supposed to learn about yourself that you are being/getting ready for love and sex? Conservative Christianity banned basically everything else. Now they also want to ban dreams? This is 100% leading to fear of sex and relationships. Which is funny because they also preach about getting married young and having large families. Good luck with that!
@@wittykittywoes you are basically correct. He did say that when you look at someone lustfully then you already sinned. Which can be described exactly like you said. But I wonder how are theologists thought about it at school, because I also noticed that different priests describe sexual desires differently. I met people who talked about them as a healthy part of life and that only your actions about them actually matter... and I also met people who were more strict. I also wonder if it wasn't supposed to be more like "having sex outside of marriage is a sin, but also being creepy is a sin". Like you physically did nothing, but you did something else. Some parts of Jesus's teaching felt more like he was describing an ideal life of God worker (priest, nun,...). But I would like to also hear an opinion of professional.
lol maybe that is just what they are. I’d rather believe they are demons and have hope there is a greater power to heal than believing they’re simply mental illnesses w just medication and therapy that will only HELP but not fix it.
Teachers do not have enough time nor do they get paid enough to cast spells on their kids... even if they did they'd probably be casting spells to try and help them out because these crazy parents clearly aren't helping them with their homework 🙄
I was so confused for a bit there. Wondering why anyone would get paid to cast a spell on Thier own kids. 😂 Then I realized you were referring to a classroom of kids
I know right? It’s crazy to me that anyone thinks there is a single person living in the US who hasn’t heard of Jesus. Yes, bro I’ve heard your “good news” - many, many, many, many times. No, I do not want to enter an abusive relationship with an invisible person.
A revelation I have recently come to is that the Christian faith talks SO much about forgiveness but I never hear anybody in the church talking about apologizing. Which seems like a manipulation tactic to encourage followers to easily forgive the wrongdoings of the church, but doesn't encourage the followers to apologize to other human beings or own up to their own mistakes. The idea of a mistake is replaced with "sin" and the only one you owe an apology to is God. Just an observation that I thought y'all might appreciate.
YES!! Actually my last straw with church was when I decided to attend a youth group at my college. And at the end of the program a member talked to me cause I was new and she had a way with getting you to tell her your problems (a common emotional tactic among the Christian community). Anyway so I told her the problems I had with my mom being abusive physically emotionally AND spiritually by using God as a way to scare us into submission to her. I told her that I recently fought with her because she didn’t like my career choice (it was a creative career lol) and how she told me during the argument I had to leave and move to my dad cause she didn’t support it and when I tried to leave she tried to fight me saying I’m not going anywhere. Mind you as I’m explaining this tears were running down my eyes and I’m shaking. Could you believe the first thing this youth leader told me was that I had to forgive her because I don’t know what happened in her life that caused her to be this way and that I also may have done something wrong as well to fuel this. And yk what I get that but really??! Thats what you’re gonna tell me right now?!!
@@alexandria3177 That's terrible. I'm sorry you had to go through that. Yes Christians tend to preach forgiveness towards people behaving badly, especially when it comes to parents. They'll side with whoever's in a powerful position because they love hierarchy and putting everyone on levels. They think parents OWN their kids and can do whatever they like.
That is such a good point! Recently I have been thinking about how in general god is there to stand between people. You do everything for god in the christian mindset. I even have been told that god is not pleased with non-christians who do charity or give to the needy because it's only good if people are doing it to serve the lord.
The Christians I grew up around tended to apologize for living, especially my mom. I've never known any Christian that thinks parents own their kids. God owns us and can do as He pleases because He is good. If He was not good, He could not do as He pleases without sinning. I acknowledge there is a lot we don't understand about God. We have very limited understanding of the vast majority of humans as well.
The lady talking about Jesus being the cure all for mental health sickens me.... This was my experience growing up in fundamentalist evangelical churches and a huge reason for my deconstruction into atheism.
The problem is that Christianity is '''not'' a psychological affliction, but it abuses and encourages behavior patterns that are very similar to those caused by various afflictions... so they cannot abide by science removing such patterns or they lose their whole quiver of weapons in "spiritual warfare"... aka driving people into neurotical behavior to convince them the whole voodoo story is true.
The ignoring victoria’s secret as a Christian thing is so funny because (and as a lesbian i did this too before i was out) its a common thing for sapphic girls (usually closeted or don’t know theyre queer yet) to avoid Victoria’s Secret like the plague 💀💀
literally, I would avoid looking at any underwear/lingerie sections & I remember watching things like miss universe and averting my eyes because I thought "what if people think something outrageous, like that i like women or something?" girrlll I have news for eight year old me.
🤣 I can relate. Feeling torn because your a woman so you feel like it’s okay to see boobs in push up bras because as a woman we have them too, but oddly finding it attractive not knowing or having any clue your into women. Good times.
@alexathegr8 pre-teen me seeing the pictures in the mall and thinking, "But why can't I just look at a pretty girl?" It's okay, I've figured it out now lol.
The minute you start asking questions, questioning the pastors messages/practices in the church, they ostracize you. One of the things that led me away from the church was that when I was a Christian I would never consume any content or listen to anyone that would question it because “they’re letting the devil use them right”? Like that’s not faith that’s blind submission
"Chose to forgive" literally pissed me off As a CSA Survivor and grooming survivor I remember being told that whenever I opened up about my abusers I will never "forgive" my groomer or my abuser They don't DESERVE forgiveness, they traumatized me I hate the "forgive people" thing No abuse victims shouldn't have to forgive people like that It's frustrating to hear that toxic idea still passed around
As a fellow abuse survivor, I'm 110% with you. If you're able and willing to forgive your abuser(s), good for you. I'm not able to do that, and many people aren't able to do that. In my case, my abusers will NEVER realize or admit they did anything wrong. If you can't bring yourself to forgive someone who hurt you, please try not to feel guilty about it. It's your brain trying to protect you from more abuse by telling you to avoid that person at all costs.
Your stubbornness is keeping you angry for life. That doesn't help you. That's why you need to forgive. Unresolved anger causes health problems. I know you probably don't worry about he'll. Most people don't, but it causes that too according to Matthew 6. You're not helping yourself by holding grudges, no matter how badly they hurt you. I don't mean to be callous. I'm just being honest.
Do exercise healthy boundaries to avoid further abuse but forgive in your heart as well. If it helps, think of it as you deserving to be happy. Two Jewish ladies viewed it that way when they forgave a Nazi doctor that did horrible experiments on them in a concentration camp.
@timothybuckley7317 lol I'm pertty sure My groomed quoted that bible versus to me But seriously you don't know how toxic what you are saying is, a part of me was robbed, I'll never fully be ok I've moved on, I've grown and I'm even learning to trust agian If anything not forgiving my abusers has helped me not hurt me They are the sick people, they are horrible and I did nothing wrong, I was a child and they were monsters preying on someone who never deserved what happened They don't deserve forgiveness, and I deserve to heal while knowing I'm ok If someone can forgive their abuser ok, great for them, but I never can and never will, and that's ok! Don't be toxic and don't force forgiveness on others, you focus on your own forgiveness
Another thing that irks me about "choosing to forgive" is that forgiveness is an experience, not an action. We can show forgiveness with our actions, but it's ultimately something that we experience internally as a feeling, and it can't be switched on and off at will. Events can unfold in a way that allows us to experience forgiveness of someone, but it doesn't always go that way and we can't force it. It's like forcing yourself to be attracted to someone you're not - it's just not a thing that you can _do._
Funny how the first girl thinks you need to anoint your house with essential oils and read passages from a book to ward off negativity, but when a wiccan burns sage and reads out a warding spell from their book suddenly THEN its weird.
For the "5 things teenagers..." insta, It REALLY bothered me that she started it as neutral gender but INSTANTLY made it sound as if females are the only ones 'hooking up.' Really 🤬 me off 😅
A lot of Christians believe that but it's not true. In context, the Bible was teaching against Christian women behaving as those who served the goddess Diana did, lording it over men in I Timothy 2. That said, the lady teaching the five things probably did gear her message to teenage girls.
That poor Wiccan in the background of the praying/weird oversimplification of Christianity one looks so uncomfortable, but she’s still being so supportive! When I was religious, I was always taught that prayer should be a quiet conversation between me and God, so even when I was Christian, that experience would have been so uncomfortable for me.
Personally, I wouldn’t be as comfortable. The stuff he was saying and how was disturbing. You can tell he doesn’t have good intentions, it’s selfish, judgmental, for clout. I would have left
@@vmofu7317 I was super uncomfortable, but I grew up Anglican and they do their sermons and religious stuff in a more formal or poetic way and they’re very subdued in their practice (I mean, it is the Church of England, so it’s not shocking that they’re a little stiff and understated). I was always more uncomfortable when I went to my friend’s churches that were a little more exuberant…I was uncomfortable at my friend’s Catholic Churches as well, but that’s because I have ADHD and catholic stuff takes an eternity. I can never really tell if my discomfort is because of my bias as a former Anglican, my the fact that public displays of intimacy makes me uncomfortable, or if it’s a genuine “that gives me the ick” type reaction 😅
I actually cackled uncontrollably when Girls Gone Bible said "I was so hungry, I still am, I sit here every Tuesday, I'm so hungry". Something about the disingenuous way she was speaking and the fact that it just sounded like she needed a snack fucking got me.
I'm a Christian missionary, quite devoted. I chuckled a little at that one too. I enjoy the Girls Gone Bible podcast. They're encouraging most of the time and quite beautiful.
The lady going on about how can you judge a religion by its followers…like, what?? Dude. The Bible literally says you shall know the tree by its fruit. Wtf
As a socially awkward yet hyper curious person I can confirm that if I saw a lady at the gym with a verse on her leggings, I would be interested. However there’s no way in hell I’d APPROACH her and ask what it is. I have this thing called a cell phone - I can look it up. So I’ll do that, go “oh cool that’s what it means,” move on with my life and probably forget about it in a week
If I saw those leggings in the gym I would do everything in my power to avoid the woman wearing them. And if she ever cornered me, she'd be explaining why she's flaunting her body in front of every man at the gym.
I'm just a little ways into the video but I gotta say. I was one of those Christians who struggled really badly with my mental health and they constantly put me down and told me I wasn't "surrendered enough" or "god gives you this bc he knows you're strong enough" and honestly it was one of the tipping points that made me leave the faith. I felt like I was being driven even more insane by their passive notions and their lack of care.
"god gives you this bc he knows you're strong enough" Yeah, I remember as a kid, I was frequently told, "God will never give you more than you can handle." ...unless you die of something.
@@christasimon9716”God gives his toughest battles to his strongest soldiers” is another one. But “God never gives you more than you can bear” makes no sense cause then how would one explain suic!de
@@malanenix4033 you left out that you need to be face down, ass up when you're casting the bucket and a mop spell. It doesn't work otherwise. I should know, I tried. You get some really weird results if you mess up...results I'd rather not get into among polite company.
There is probably some ritual somebody has put out there. But realistically you focus on what fantasy you want to dream about as you’re falling asleep. It works for me all the time to have lucid dreams too.
All this time I thought our colds were because my husband teaches elementary school, the lost items were because we both have ADHD, and this fatigue was my long Covid. Nope, it’s evil spirits. BRB, gonna go get some holy oil.
@@riseofdarkleela Do you think it would be presumptuous to ask my Orthodox friend for holy oil? Because I don’t think this grapeseed is going to do the trick…
To me that's a strawman here. A lot of christians assume there is demonic activity and then attribute the cause of all wrong either to humans (that let themselves be guided by said forces, i.e. fall for temptation) or to demons. That doesn't mean they don't acknowledge the natural causes, both could be true at the same time.
That first clip is basically "if you experience signs of stress or sickness or just normal human experiences PRAY!" Most of that list is just "fear your body (including your mind)!"
I remember in church youth class they told us a story about a girl who went to a rock concert, and at the door they stopped her, and wouldn't let her in because they could see that she had a protection around her, they told us because her parents were praying for her, it kept her from being in the wrong places. I cannot find any evidence of that story anywhere.
i was a christian teenager and it did more harm than good😭not a day goes by that i don't regret the time i spent in the church, especially during those teenage years.
Hoo boy, the Beethoven comparison woman... That had me feeling a lot of things. The way she minimizes the harm caused by the church and shifts the onus of doing better onto the people who are hurt... Big oof...
Big oof, 100% ...and guess what? The spirit of Beethoven isn't supposed to dwell in the hearts and minds of all orchestra players, like her God's spirit is supposed to do, either! 😂
I’m continually blown away by how deeply evangelicals have now leaned into the spiritual warfare side of things. I’m a little older and it’s been a couple of decades since I left that kind of church. But when I was growing up, there was very limited appetite for it. The idea of doing any kind of rituals or talking specifically about praying demons away would be pushed aside as “Catholic superstition.” Which was gross in its own way. But I think the Satanic Panic followed by the publication of “This Present Darkness,” coupled with Protestant America in general calming down about Catholics, lead to a pretty big shift. Which all goes to show how evangelical beliefs and behaviors are just as changing and subject to trends as anything else in society. Funny, for all they talk about holding steady to the unchanging and eternal Truth. 😂
That's true, but at the same time, they're always looking for someone to blame for all of society's ills, which tend to be marginalized communities and religious minorities. When evangelicals run out of people to blame, they cycle back to their old playbook, like bringing back the Satanic Panic of the 1980s and couching it in different language.
Funny because usually people that are the most into spiritual warfare around me are the older ones (these are also the most paranoid about the Catholic church, there is a strong correlation). I'm not in the US. Even evangelical christianity in South America and even more so in Europe (I have lived in French Guiana and also the European part of France) is culturally very different from the same branches in the US. It's especially true in Europe as christians don't have a choice but to be more open minded as they/we* are a minority. *I don't know if I should consider myself in or out
6:28 The day before Valentine's day six years ago - I hit rock bottom. I was struggling with depression. My social anxiety was so bad. I didn't know what to do. I confided in someone I trusted and who had helped me in the past with my anxiety and gave me advice. But he had always suggested therapy. That day he told me he wanted me to help, but I needed a professional. He then helped me call a therapist. I went for a while and got diagnosed with social anxiety. I grew up Catholic. I grew up going to Catholic school. I was made to think that my health didn't matter. I was harassed by the kids in my class. The school did nothing. I had teachers and administration literally witness what I went through. Seldom did anyone stop it. Six years later. My mental health is the best it has ever been. I have been going through the harassment l received at Catholic school and started discussing it. I don't know how to explain how enraging this person's comment made me. Telling someone who is struggling that they just need Jesus whenever they're struggling to wake up in the morning - that's disgusting. I don't care if god is what helped your your mental health. I don't care if you suggest that your religion helped you with your depression. I DO care if you say someone's lack of faith is making their mental health worse. I DO care that they are preying on vulnerable people in order to try to lure them into religion. It disgusts me, truly. There is already such a stigma around therapy. Yes, it has gotten better over the years, but the stigma is still there. The stigma is still there in religious circles. I'm lucky to not have grown up in a religion that used essential oils for everything. But I also know the religion I grew up in would blame mental healtg issues on not being close enough with god. It is still so stigmatized to be in (some) religions and seek mental health help. It infuriates me seeing people like this. They ARE the problem. If I had heard that - I wouldn't have asked for help. I would've been struggling for far longer. Hell, I might not be here right now because of advice like that. As someone who has been in rock bottom - it disgusts me, truly. I'm glad the people around me pushed for me to go to therapy. It helped me realize how bad of a headspace I truly was in
The poor witch is in the background clutching her pentacle and trying to figure out a way out of the situation but she's too kind to be rude and leave.
I know, I felt so bad for her, like she can't just abandon her friend, but it's also so awkward and uncomfortable to stay. I wonder if the friend went along with it because of peer pressure from the guy or if she actually believes it.
The bit about forgiveness is so dangerous when you apply it in broad strokes the way that some churches do. I was SAed when i was 21 by someone in my family. His dad was a pastor and he sat me down and gave me this forgiveness pitch. He ended up making me pray so god could help me forgive him and then his son faced zero consequences. He went on to continue being a leader in the church and im happily away from all their BS
OMG! So sorry for you! You don t forgive people who aren't ready to redeem themselves. And you don't HAVE to forgive if you don't want to. I hope they will someday be held accountable for their behaviour. That someone will have the strength. Screw them.
About gossip: I wish my friends had “gossiped” about my ex. It would have saved me a lot of distress. It was only after I broke up with them that all these stories came up, emphasizing how right my choice to leave had been.
Oh wow, the depression reel set off so much religious trauma. The amount of time I spent pushing through, asking god for help, casting out demons, reading/studying my Bible, seeking counsel from "godly people," meditating on and memorizing scripture, going to church groups, worshipping, etc. Turns out these things don't heal depression or PTSD. If you're in a toxic faith environment, they can get you deeper and deeper into shame and religious isolation, though.
Sounds like you're in a better place. I can empathize - not with depression, but problems I was experiencing that needed to be tangibly addressed in the real world; not by burying my face in scripture, meditating on his word, or kneeling in a quiet place talking to myself. Hope you're doing well ❤
Perfect first video to talk about with the dreams line. Last night I had: - Sexual dreams about a mermaid - Dream where 4 inch spiders hatched out of rotting food and also there were slightly bigger scorpions. I had to kill the 4 inch spiders with a laser. I thought it was just being single on Valentine's Day and needing to clean my apartment. Didn't even think about spiritual warfare. Also can the dream mermaid return tonight, subconscious? 😂
Idea: try listening to “The Mermaid” by Bobby Bare on loop while going to sleep. It’s a song about dating a mermaid that for some reason my dad thought was appropriate material for a child even though it’s a little racy. “From her head to her waist she was just my taste, but the bottom part was a fish!”
I was thinking the other day about how "gossip" is a way to warn people about dangerous and violent people when it's not safe to speak out publicly, especially when your society or organisation shelters those predators and shames and endangers victims. So it was really cool to hear Taylor and Drew talk about that too. Great point about toxic positivity too!
Every Christian that I have come across has always suffered with depression. As an ex evangelical, I also suffered with depression. It was never something that was cured, or that I had help with while being in the church I was told to leave it up to God, in Jesus hands, however these folks don’t realize that when you’re constantly speaking that you were unworthy of love and healing that this also speaks to your mind in the state of depression, anxiety, stress. So of course you’re not going to be delivered from this. After leaving nearly 12 years ago I have not faced depression, nor anxiety, I may go through short period of sadness, but it’s not everlasting. I found my true meaning in myself that has been there all along, and that healing process has brought me happiness. Dealing with my own traumas and getting help for it is where the healing begins.
54:50 christians are so primed to tell outlandish stories with no proof. Pastors tell anecdotes in their homilies that are almost certainly untrue. One of the funny bits from John Mulaney is when he says as a kid he always wanted to shout out during those anecdotes: "who was the man? What was his name? When did this happen?" Etc
The anecdotes can be strange, I heard one where a preacher said he knew someone that said the "African language" didn't have a word for snow.... I checked, it was a lie.
I have deconstructed over the last few years and the clip with the witch was the first time i have heard someone evangelize since my time in the church. His speech and prayer were weirdly graphic and semi horrifying. My mind is blown rn
When I was a young JW (15 or 16), a group of us went to see Titanic in the theater. My mom was sitting next to me and covered my eyes during the "paint me like one of your French girls" scene. It was so incredibly embarrassing for me.
For the opposite team, my mental health got so much better leaving the church. I was diagnosed with depression & anxiety when I was 15 & I struggled quite a bit with it. I left the church about 3 years ago. It’s crazy how much less anxious I am about not praying the right way & making the right decisions & controlling all of my thoughts. It’s wild how much less I struggle with self hatred because I don’t listen to the church telling me to do so.
On a more positive note, I very much appreciated hearing you say that forgiveness isn't necessary. Hard agree on that one. Sometimes the best way to heal is to say "Hey, this person is a toxic influence in my life, they haven't learned/gotten better, and the best way for me to heal is to show them the door, with or without 'forgiveness.'" Forgiveness can be a great part of healing in some circumstances, but it's certainly not a necessary part of healing in all circumstances. (As Drew said, it might not even make sense in some situations and/or may be actively unhelpful!)
(It also felt really good to hear other people say that forgiveness and "getting to a point where somebody no longer lives rent-free in your head" are not the same thing. Conflating those two things is so flippin' common, and not just in uber-Christian circles. It drives me bananas.)
I am glad to hear people say this because I have been struggling. I was hurt by a "Christian" man. More like a narcissist. I don't have it in me to forgive him for what he put me through. Manipulation, gaslighting, blame shifting, having a thing for little girls.
Hundreds of years ago, people were accusing Mozart of selling his soul to the devil. It's nothing more than jealousy of talent and success. It never changes, unfortunately
As a baby witch, the girl holding onto her necklace (probably charmed or a crystal) during the prayer is so relatable to me lol. And to think they're so scared of us 😂
@@timothybuckley7317 You say you know their hearts and immediately judge hers. This is the problem with you people we see where your heart is right now and its not in a good place. Common Christian hypocrisy right here with you.
I grew up Southern Baptist... I now go to a very progressive Christian Church. I really enjoy watching your videos. It's a wonderful reminder of just how messed up a lot of the things I was taught as a "PK" (preachers kid for those not up on the lingo, lol). I married a man because my parents thought he would be perfect for me and mostly that he would settle me down. I had children and came so dangerously close to being in a situation where I'd have not been able to have a relationship with them due to their sexual orientation and gender identities. Thankfully I saw God in my kiddos and love and understanding that the church says isn't there and began my journey to find truth for myself. I'm still unpacking in personal therapy, and I still believe in God and go to church. However, I'm a much more open person now. I love that my church welcomes EVERYONE doesn't just pay lip service to that. I'm divorced, remarried to a man who is wonderfully loving to both of my children and myself. He has helped rebuild a healthy relationship with a father figure who doesn't judge for sexual orientation or gender identity. It's been a journey for both my kiddos and myself. Kinda just share all of that to say, thanks for being kind and respectful in the way you present information. I find y'all to be a very good example of allow others the dignity of respecting we are all different and find our path in various ways.
"You don't need therapy or medicine. God is your source" almost got me k1lled. I was going through my first major depressive episode and had been reciting scripture, getting prayer from the team, listening to Maranatha music (UUGGGHHHH) and posting Bible verses about healing all over my house and cubicle at work. It wasn't until I set out one evening to do myself in that I got scared enough to ignore what my spiritual leaders said and go for help. I should have been hospitalized but I just found a therapist and got some meds. Through trial and error with meds and therapists I finally started getting some relief. I do have a mental condition but meds keep me fairly even most of the time.
I didn't realize until now that Christianity preaches that you put all your worries onto God, while simultaneously saying that if you have faith you should have no worries. But if you truly have no worries, you must be missing something. "He broke me to build me up, so i would hunger for him." The actions of a narcissist.
Good observation. The christian god is clearly a narcissist of the worst kind. In fact in Gnosticism (an early sect that was stamped out and largely removed from history) it is believed that god is a false god, basically a twisted and cruel being that liked to amuse himself by basking in the suffering he inflicted indiscriminately. He craves worship and praise, and is a jealous and petty creature. Think about how god treated his most loyal subjects. He was incredibly cruel for no real reason that was clear. If you want to read more about this, look up his other names (Yaldabaoth, Saklas, Demiurge). I don't believe either version of events at face value, but wow wouldn't that explain so much? Why does god allow suffering on such a massive scale? Why was he so cruel in the old testament? Also consider that Jesus had a VASTLY different message than the god of the old testament. Gnostics believe that Jesus was sent by the true god (a being of all encompassing light rather than a person in the sky) to warn us that we were being deceived and we were following an abomination dedicated to keeping us from realizing the divine nature in ourselves that could free us from the chains. This also holds true all the way back to genesis when adam and eve were expelled from eden because they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and became essentially self-aware. That seems to align with the notion that Saklas wants us all to be subjugated through ignorance.
My friend group calls every single new information about anyone's life "gossip", even our own. Gossip can literally be that a friend is texting someone new and that's a good thing that we celebrate. Other times is sharing what someone did that was rude or mean.
That's what made me think it was scripted. Anyone growing up in the western world, especially the United States, would need to live under a rock to have never heard of Jesus or been exposed to Christian iconography.
A thought on the gossip part: I think a better way to phrase that kind of advice (on the original posters part not Drew and Taylors) would have been to talk about what is a breach of trust vs what is warning other of danger. It´s not bad to tell others about bad actors, it is bad to spread stories that embarrass someone when what that person did is harmless. This is coming from the perspective of having been a victim of bullying and having stories, both true and false, spread around about me as a teen. Though I imagine it could be phrased better. :P
Looking at this from a country in Northern Europe. Man, you've got some very weird people over there. But then again, we also have weird people over here as well.
I was a queer AFAB kid who felt the absolutely shame of even *looking* in the direction of Victoria's Secret, even though (I thought) I was a girl, and also, why was I uncomfortable about thinking "immodestly clothed" women looked good? That video was both extremely funny and such a call-out to my former Christian self simultaneously. 😂😂😂
the music industry one has another level to it that makes his interpretation incredibly funny XD most artists will say they "sold their soul" because the music industry is extremely predatory. A lot of signing deals take an outsized level of control and profit and younger artists are pulled in sometimes without really knowing what they are signing away. It's an industry critique.
On the "Satan was a musician in heaven" line. It's kind of.. contextual clues, found only in the KJV version. Basically Satan was called a cherub in Ezekiel and Isaiah, and Ezekiel 28:13 says the line "The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created," so somehow that has been twisted to mean that Lucifier was made to play the timbrels and pipes. But playing music isn't the duty of the cherubim according to Angelology researchers. I don't know. It just sounds like more attempts at making Music equate to being demonic as opposed to psalms which are holy. Its dumb.
my dad thinks music (except for old Michigan Motown and 80’s rock) is satanic because music is airwaves, and i quote, “satan is the prince of the air” Really funny tbh
"If you cannot pray to the lord while you're doing something, then you should not be doing that thing" sounds like something I would have said in high school as a half-baked excuse for avoiding my math homework
I would expect that moving into a new home would introduce stress into the relationship, arguments about the multitude of decisions to be made when relocating, maybe there are molds or allergens in the new location that triggers allergic reactions or sickness, and a million other "IRL" variables that get ignored because one is too busy pointing the finger of spiritual blame.
Somebody needs to tell that man talking with the two witches, that witchcraft was often practiced by Christians and many books on witchcraft describe the craft from a Christian perspective and with a Christian base (as well as with other perspectives as well, but Christianity is still very common in witchcraft). You can be any religion and with any faith and still be a witch. That young woman he "converted" might still be a witch and practice witchcraft but she's now also a Christian... I mean, most healers, lightworkers, etc are religious and have always been. And calling yourself a witch vs a lightworker is just a matter of semantics. It's just words that describe magickal/spiritual workings. Witchcraft has always been part of Christianity, it's just that it's not always called by that word... So... That video about the witches was not that impressive in my opinion. I'm myself a religious witch.
Gotta love that lady Wiccan's response. Just...all the patience for her friend (or gf, I don't judge), and awkwardly twiddling with her necklace in the background. Spectacular lol
Referring to the first reel - I had the most sexual dreams as a christian when I wasn't allowing myself to be sexual in any shape or form in real life LOL
That’s the neat part, it’s not! Like, maybe for the spell you’re acting for yourself and not imploring some supposed external entity to act on your behalf. But it’s the same.
I think it's cool how respectful you two are, I know there's no way I could react to videos like this without some serious eye rolling. The fact that you guys show restraint and don't sigh or roll your eyes no matter how ridiculous the video is really admirable
I’m so thankful for your content it has spoken to me in a deep level . I am a Christian and a recent believer . I am thankful a came across your content because it has encouraged me to seek my god on my own and not rely on other peoples testimony. I’m am now called to read my bible and search for god on my own. In sorry that the church hurt you. I will pray for you and your husband and god still loves you even if you have turned away from him .
re: #2 girls gone bible, while it's true that my generalized anxiety may never be 100% "cured", taking Zoloft has made it significantly better and it makes me SO mad that these christian influencers might drive people away from legitimate and effective mental health care
The worst part about the Beethoven analogy is that Beethoven didn't create the orchestra members, but according to Christians God created each of them exactly as they are. If they are incapable of properly interpreting God's message it's entirely God's fault. He created the message and the "flawed" individuals who can't read it correctly.
Dante wrote 33 cantos each of purgatory and heaven, it's just the first 34 involving hell that are most famous. Kind of proves the point, still, because they are the more interesting ones so everyone remembers them right away.
Here in NZ, if people tried some of that public proselytising they would be told in no uncertain terms to just F **k off. Us Kiwis don't take well to the whole tall poppy complex.
Im a witch and man the witch one had me cringing so hard. Tbh i think the girl who did the prayer may have felt like she needed too, but this is so uncomfortable.
I remember Jesus did nothing but destroy any trust I had in myself, make me feel like I didn't deserve good things in life, make me feel unworthy of love, make me feel guilty all the time and have panic attacks about if I was going to hell constantly. I was suicidal at my most devoted to Jesus, and the worse I felt the more I felt like I needed him. I would cry in public way too often bc I just was so fucking confused and sad all the time, my Christian friends would tell me demons were just oppressing me. Funny enough, the demons totally left me alone when I started going to therapy and taking medication and my mental health and my life completely transformed when I finally stopped believing. I'm a 1000% better, more confident, more loving version of myself than I ever was as a Christian
Telling people that no therapy will fully heal you is incredibly dangerous. I mean yeah unfortunately there are people who suffer even though they've been to therapy a long time. But you shouldn't just discourage people to not do the thing that is statisticly most likely going to help you. There's a bunch of other helpful valid stuff as well - going to a church is not one.
I'm one of those people who have not been helped by extensive therapy and I agree 100%. Whatever my experience and whatever the reason (or reasons) for it, there is substantial evidence that mental health care can absolutely change lives... and prevent them from being artificially shortened. The idea that people are attempting to push people away from treatments that could save their lives or, at least, allow them to reduce levels of anxiety and fear while increasing levels of joy and contentment is nothing short of disgusting.
@@martinmckee5333 I could understand if someone in your situation would be frustrated, and I'd be more understanding if a person like that would push others away "because it didn't work (for them)". I mean honestly the main problem is that the christians just tatget vulnerable and desperate people - they have no clue about mental health and probably don't even care or try to understand... I'm sorry that therapy didn't really work for you. Have you tried coaching or meditation? Or did something else work for you already?
@@vmofu7317 Shame is one of the most problematic emotions that make it hard to even start healing. Because often acceptance of the situation you're in is required to heal. Shame easily leads to more stress, anxiety and bad coping.
I'm so glad to hear Taylor talking about Evangelical doublespeak because this is such a massive problem that I think REALLY needs to be covered by everyone tackling critical discussions on evangelicalism, whether skeptic channels or mainstream news addressing the US evangelical movement's support of the MAGA cult and the US Republican party's re-framing of situations (constantly) and redefining words but only when it suits them (like "groomer" to refer to trans and gay people). Redefining words like "love" and "forgiveness" to often mean the opposite is a VERY evangelical thing. Drew was also spot-on pointing out how she's describing her suffering as if it's a success story and how we'd never tolerate that as normal if she was instead describing a therapist or something else as the cure. It's just abuse, and I remember exactly how it was for me, trying to "push through" and "warfare against" depression and fight the feelings. One day it was too much and I just stopped my "warfare" praying because I was too exhausted and depressed, and the moment I gave up, just lying on my bed, my feelings instandly lifted to become a lot more bearable. It was relief! And then I realised WOAH was I WORSENING or perhaps even CAUSING my own depression through this immense insurmountable burden I put on myself!? That was definitely a step on my deconstruction journey, in starting to realise that what I'd been taught about attributing my own feelings to Satan or the Holy Spirit was not what I'd thought! Though at the time, I simply saw it as "maybe we're not supposed to be 'warfaring' or 'striving' but actually TRUST God to deliver!"
Excellent insights, as usual. I liked hearing how comfortable Taylor was with reading thoughts she'd previously written down. She still sounded natural, wasn't going too fast (as people often do when reading), and got the satisfaction of knowing she didn't leave out something she wanted to say.
53:55 I honestly won't fancy having a wall of fire around me since wall of fire does 5d8 fire damage every turn for a minute and my dexterity is not that great 😅
1:26 ok I just want to say because as a witch I see this in the spiritual community too, most of these symptoms, increased forgetfulness, an unsettling feeling, being easily irritated and provoked into arguing, feeling nauseous for ongoing periods of time, extreme fatigue, (and I think even experiencing sleep paralysis/more intense dreams, but fact check me on them) are all symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning!!!! If these things happen suddenly and consistently do NOT assume it's a spiritual attack first please please please get your house checked!!!!!
My parents are always listening to videos of the astral projection lady and her husband, always sending youtube links to the group chat lol. My younger brother has joined them and truly believes he has prayed his depression away yet he still shows signs of not being ok. I told him to get therapy but he got angry at me. It's so sad
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The “you don't need therapy, you just need Jesus” made my life so much more difficult. This leads to people suffering needlessly. Christianity is exhausting.
So true. I don't understand why therapy can't be viewed as a TOOL given to us by god to use
Not only that, but the way she says that only Jesus can help is super weird. Like, look at all the people who have overcome depression who don’t believe in Jesus. What about them?
My depression is handled through the power of SSRIs, no Jesus required.😁
Therapy during the last 6 years is fixing all the things Jesus wasn’t fixing for me for the 29 years before that!
That was my mom too, and I had to talk to a priest to convince her otherwise
If there is a demon living in my home they better pay rent and clean up after themselves
Pay the electrical bill not to forget 😅
For real! Like mister, you didn't pay for electricity to be flickering those lights! The electrician would be on you if something breaks!
The only time it's morally justifiable to be a landlord.
39:11😅 @@charisma-hornum-fries
No doubt...and please please buy some damn groceries
I still can't get over how when evangelical Christians try to explain why they love Jesus, they start describing the behaviors of a domestic abuser. If a human partner had said such controlling and manipulative things to them, that would be an immediate red flag.
The relationship with god that evangelicals describe is a 1:1 recreation of narcissistic parental abuse. When you consider that people tend to project their own relationships with their parents onto god, it all makes perfect sense.
Well put. It’s like they don’t hear what they’re saying. They could easily say “because he made the ultimate sacrifice, because he loves me and puts me before himself,” but they never say that, do they? It’s always some scary recollection like “he breaks me down to build me up.” Yikes.
That's actually how I started deconstructing. Christianity set me up to be the perfect abuse victim, and I found my self in a 17 yr relationship with an alcoholic who was also a narcissist. Once I finally stopped listening to the church and left, I started learning about narcissism and the tactics used to keep me trapped for so long. Then I started slowly making the connection to my relationship with God. (My phone still automatically capitalizes the g) and I quickly began deconstructing from Christianity.
spot on@@LouLouLion
@@LouLouLion Same. I have 3 sisters and a brother. We all grew up Christian fundamentalist and every one of us wound up in abusive marriages.
"He broke me to build me"
So. . . Jesus is a marine drill instructor?
Also, isn’t that an acknowledgement that God didn’t make you right to begin with?
Yes that's a rough one.
Space marine jesus...
@@tomgames8616If He’s gonna make me an 8ft tall super soldier in ceramite power armor, I might start going back to church…
DROP AND GIVE ME 20 PRAYERS SOLDIER! NOW!
It's weird to me that "Sexual dreams" is on the same level as ongoing sickness and extreme fatigue. One of these things is a normal, harmless event, and the others are signs that you need medical help. And none of these things are going to be solved by putting essential oils on your doorframe.
they’re afraid of any sexual feelings because Jesus himself said (paraphrase) that thoughts are the same as actions, and specifically pointed out lust as that example.
Correct me if im wrong.
@@wittykittywoesyeah, youre right on that. Being horny in chrsitianity is basically a thought crime. Aint that nice, right?💀
it's always the same.. everything that is wrong with you shows you were not good enough, not strong enough in faith, it's definitely your fault... so you get remorseful and accept the next silliness they demand of you with even less resistence...
As a Christian that surprised me as well, because my Christian social group talked about sexual dreams more like as "allowed exception". My Christian mentors described them like normal part of life or gift from God (not in creepy way, I promise 😅). Not to mention, how else you're supposed to learn about yourself that you are being/getting ready for love and sex? Conservative Christianity banned basically everything else. Now they also want to ban dreams? This is 100% leading to fear of sex and relationships. Which is funny because they also preach about getting married young and having large families. Good luck with that!
@@wittykittywoes you are basically correct. He did say that when you look at someone lustfully then you already sinned. Which can be described exactly like you said. But I wonder how are theologists thought about it at school, because I also noticed that different priests describe sexual desires differently. I met people who talked about them as a healthy part of life and that only your actions about them actually matter... and I also met people who were more strict.
I also wonder if it wasn't supposed to be more like "having sex outside of marriage is a sin, but also being creepy is a sin". Like you physically did nothing, but you did something else.
Some parts of Jesus's teaching felt more like he was describing an ideal life of God worker (priest, nun,...). But I would like to also hear an opinion of professional.
People will say, "I'm fighting demons" and the demons are depression and other mental illnesses
Its always unaddressed mental illness…
lol maybe that is just what they are. I’d rather believe they are demons and have hope there is a greater power to heal than believing they’re simply mental illnesses w just medication and therapy that will only HELP but not fix it.
I mean they usually are. Otherwise they’re people they’re politically against.
Men be like “I’m fighting demons” and the ‘demon’ in question is bisexuality
Evangelicals be like "I'm fighting demons" and the demons in question be like bisexuality
Teachers do not have enough time nor do they get paid enough to cast spells on their kids... even if they did they'd probably be casting spells to try and help them out because these crazy parents clearly aren't helping them with their homework 🙄
I was so confused for a bit there. Wondering why anyone would get paid to cast a spell on Thier own kids. 😂 Then I realized you were referring to a classroom of kids
No Christian teacher ever prayed for the class children without consent...
@@helenr4300many have, actually…
lmao, they do it without asking man. Or they make the question a statement and THEN do it@@helenr4300
as a professor I fucking wish I could cast spells to make the students remember what they were supposed to learn in high school lmao
She had “no idea” who Jesus was a year ago? Girl, you know lying is a sin right? 😂
To be fair, there is a lot jesus out there.
A jesus-verse if you will.
I know right? It’s crazy to me that anyone thinks there is a single person living in the US who hasn’t heard of Jesus. Yes, bro I’ve heard your “good news” - many, many, many, many times. No, I do not want to enter an abusive relationship with an invisible person.
Worst case of Stockholm Syndrome I have ever witnessed. 😮
A revelation I have recently come to is that the Christian faith talks SO much about forgiveness but I never hear anybody in the church talking about apologizing. Which seems like a manipulation tactic to encourage followers to easily forgive the wrongdoings of the church, but doesn't encourage the followers to apologize to other human beings or own up to their own mistakes. The idea of a mistake is replaced with "sin" and the only one you owe an apology to is God. Just an observation that I thought y'all might appreciate.
YES!! Actually my last straw with church was when I decided to attend a youth group at my college. And at the end of the program a member talked to me cause I was new and she had a way with getting you to tell her your problems (a common emotional tactic among the Christian community). Anyway so I told her the problems I had with my mom being abusive physically emotionally AND spiritually by using God as a way to scare us into submission to her. I told her that I recently fought with her because she didn’t like my career choice (it was a creative career lol) and how she told me during the argument I had to leave and move to my dad cause she didn’t support it and when I tried to leave she tried to fight me saying I’m not going anywhere. Mind you as I’m explaining this tears were running down my eyes and I’m shaking. Could you believe the first thing this youth leader told me was that I had to forgive her because I don’t know what happened in her life that caused her to be this way and that I also may have done something wrong as well to fuel this. And yk what I get that but really??! Thats what you’re gonna tell me right now?!!
@@alexandria3177 That's terrible. I'm sorry you had to go through that. Yes Christians tend to preach forgiveness towards people behaving badly, especially when it comes to parents.
They'll side with whoever's in a powerful position because they love hierarchy and putting everyone on levels. They think parents OWN their kids and can do whatever they like.
@@acegikm wow the hierarchy thing is so true I never thought about it that way and thankss💗
That is such a good point! Recently I have been thinking about how in general god is there to stand between people. You do everything for god in the christian mindset. I even have been told that god is not pleased with non-christians who do charity or give to the needy because it's only good if people are doing it to serve the lord.
The Christians I grew up around tended to apologize for living, especially my mom. I've never known any Christian that thinks parents own their kids. God owns us and can do as He pleases because He is good. If He was not good, He could not do as He pleases without sinning. I acknowledge there is a lot we don't understand about God. We have very limited understanding of the vast majority of humans as well.
The lady talking about Jesus being the cure all for mental health sickens me.... This was my experience growing up in fundamentalist evangelical churches and a huge reason for my deconstruction into atheism.
My family tells me that I’m under attack from Satan. Thanks for nothing…
The problem is that Christianity is '''not'' a psychological affliction, but it abuses and encourages behavior patterns that are very similar to those caused by various afflictions... so they cannot abide by science removing such patterns or they lose their whole quiver of weapons in "spiritual warfare"... aka driving people into neurotical behavior to convince them the whole voodoo story is true.
Jesus is the cure if you believe and receive, that’s how all mines that I was dealing with went away. I didn’t have any hope from anything else
@@marktravis5162what mines? Like landmines?
@@thenotsoamazinggracetnsag3463Jesus is helping them improve at Minesweeper. Don't laugh, it's their passion!
The ignoring victoria’s secret as a Christian thing is so funny because (and as a lesbian i did this too before i was out) its a common thing for sapphic girls (usually closeted or don’t know theyre queer yet) to avoid Victoria’s Secret like the plague 💀💀
literally, I would avoid looking at any underwear/lingerie sections & I remember watching things like miss universe and averting my eyes because I thought "what if people think something outrageous, like that i like women or something?" girrlll I have news for eight year old me.
Me, who hasn't really shopped in a mall in years, remembering baby me averting my eyes: "
... Oooooooh."
🤣 I can relate. Feeling torn because your a woman so you feel like it’s okay to see boobs in push up bras because as a woman we have them too, but oddly finding it attractive not knowing or having any clue your into women. Good times.
@alexathegr8 pre-teen me seeing the pictures in the mall and thinking, "But why can't I just look at a pretty girl?" It's okay, I've figured it out now lol.
Oh my 😢the advice with Girls gone Bible is awful 😢
Looking back I can’t believe what I believed for over 4 decades, so glad 😌 I’m’out’
I was never unfairly treated... Until I actually started asking questions...
The minute you start asking questions, questioning the pastors messages/practices in the church, they ostracize you. One of the things that led me away from the church was that when I was a Christian I would never consume any content or listen to anyone that would question it because “they’re letting the devil use them right”? Like that’s not faith that’s blind submission
"Chose to forgive" literally pissed me off
As a CSA Survivor and grooming survivor
I remember being told that whenever I opened up about my abusers
I will never "forgive" my groomer or my abuser
They don't DESERVE forgiveness, they traumatized me
I hate the "forgive people" thing
No abuse victims shouldn't have to forgive people like that
It's frustrating to hear that toxic idea still passed around
As a fellow abuse survivor, I'm 110% with you. If you're able and willing to forgive your abuser(s), good for you. I'm not able to do that, and many people aren't able to do that. In my case, my abusers will NEVER realize or admit they did anything wrong.
If you can't bring yourself to forgive someone who hurt you, please try not to feel guilty about it. It's your brain trying to protect you from more abuse by telling you to avoid that person at all costs.
Your stubbornness is keeping you angry for life. That doesn't help you. That's why you need to forgive. Unresolved anger causes health problems. I know you probably don't worry about he'll. Most people don't, but it causes that too according to Matthew 6. You're not helping yourself by holding grudges, no matter how badly they hurt you. I don't mean to be callous. I'm just being honest.
Do exercise healthy boundaries to avoid further abuse but forgive in your heart as well. If it helps, think of it as you deserving to be happy. Two Jewish ladies viewed it that way when they forgave a Nazi doctor that did horrible experiments on them in a concentration camp.
@timothybuckley7317 lol I'm pertty sure My groomed quoted that bible versus to me
But seriously you don't know how toxic what you are saying is, a part of me was robbed, I'll never fully be ok
I've moved on, I've grown and I'm even learning to trust agian
If anything not forgiving my abusers has helped me not hurt me
They are the sick people, they are horrible and I did nothing wrong, I was a child and they were monsters preying on someone who never deserved what happened
They don't deserve forgiveness, and I deserve to heal while knowing I'm ok
If someone can forgive their abuser ok, great for them, but I never can and never will, and that's ok!
Don't be toxic and don't force forgiveness on others, you focus on your own forgiveness
Another thing that irks me about "choosing to forgive" is that forgiveness is an experience, not an action. We can show forgiveness with our actions, but it's ultimately something that we experience internally as a feeling, and it can't be switched on and off at will. Events can unfold in a way that allows us to experience forgiveness of someone, but it doesn't always go that way and we can't force it. It's like forcing yourself to be attracted to someone you're not - it's just not a thing that you can _do._
This Jesus guys sounds like an extremely manipulative vampire. "He's looking for a surrendered heart" 💀
Plus He suggests “eat my flesh, drink my blood to have life inside of you”. There is something vampiric about this
Reminds me of the Netflix show Midnight Mass, where the writer clearly compares religious cults with vampirism.
Funny how the first girl thinks you need to anoint your house with essential oils and read passages from a book to ward off negativity, but when a wiccan burns sage and reads out a warding spell from their book suddenly THEN its weird.
literally what I was thinking. christians are so jealous of the rituals of pagans sometimes lmao.
I knew I was being attacked by Satan when he was swinging his +2 Greatsword of fiery death
🤣🤣🤣
that's when you gotta put on the armor of god; helmet of righteousness and belt of chastity or whatever
Luckily your proficiency bonus helped you on your dex saving throw. Good job adventurer!!
@@greyisnthere Hammer and magic helmet! HAMMER AND MAGIC HELMET!!!
@@christasimon9716 not to break character, but I did not know what you were referencing so I looked it up and now it's stuck in my head
SO to the witch person lol that side eye and impassiveness was so cathartic. Blessed be girl
Right? Blessed be
Blessed be folks 🔮✨
blessed be! we love some good old fashion catharsis every once and a while
For the "5 things teenagers..." insta, It REALLY bothered me that she started it as neutral gender but INSTANTLY made it sound as if females are the only ones 'hooking up.' Really 🤬 me off 😅
it might be that women can't preach to men?
A lot of Christians believe that but it's not true. In context, the Bible was teaching against Christian women behaving as those who served the goddess Diana did, lording it over men in I Timothy 2. That said, the lady teaching the five things probably did gear her message to teenage girls.
That poor Wiccan in the background of the praying/weird oversimplification of Christianity one looks so uncomfortable, but she’s still being so supportive! When I was religious, I was always taught that prayer should be a quiet conversation between me and God, so even when I was Christian, that experience would have been so uncomfortable for me.
Personally, I wouldn’t be as comfortable. The stuff he was saying and how was disturbing. You can tell he doesn’t have good intentions, it’s selfish, judgmental, for clout. I would have left
@@vmofu7317 I was super uncomfortable, but I grew up Anglican and they do their sermons and religious stuff in a more formal or poetic way and they’re very subdued in their practice (I mean, it is the Church of England, so it’s not shocking that they’re a little stiff and understated). I was always more uncomfortable when I went to my friend’s churches that were a little more exuberant…I was uncomfortable at my friend’s Catholic Churches as well, but that’s because I have ADHD and catholic stuff takes an eternity. I can never really tell if my discomfort is because of my bias as a former Anglican, my the fact that public displays of intimacy makes me uncomfortable, or if it’s a genuine “that gives me the ick” type reaction 😅
I actually cackled uncontrollably when Girls Gone Bible said "I was so hungry, I still am, I sit here every Tuesday, I'm so hungry". Something about the disingenuous way she was speaking and the fact that it just sounded like she needed a snack fucking got me.
I'm a Christian missionary, quite devoted. I chuckled a little at that one too. I enjoy the Girls Gone Bible podcast. They're encouraging most of the time and quite beautiful.
@@timothybuckley7317 really made me giggle, someone get the girl an apple hahaha
@@timothybuckley7317 idk you guys mostly see the poor as props like any influencers if I'm being honest here.
The lady going on about how can you judge a religion by its followers…like, what?? Dude. The Bible literally says you shall know the tree by its fruit. Wtf
As a socially awkward yet hyper curious person I can confirm that if I saw a lady at the gym with a verse on her leggings, I would be interested. However there’s no way in hell I’d APPROACH her and ask what it is. I have this thing called a cell phone - I can look it up. So I’ll do that, go “oh cool that’s what it means,” move on with my life and probably forget about it in a week
Same😅
If I saw those leggings in the gym I would do everything in my power to avoid the woman wearing them. And if she ever cornered me, she'd be explaining why she's flaunting her body in front of every man at the gym.
Honestly that legging would make me less likely to talk to them, because I just *know* they have a lecture lined up.
I'm just a little ways into the video but I gotta say. I was one of those Christians who struggled really badly with my mental health and they constantly put me down and told me I wasn't "surrendered enough" or "god gives you this bc he knows you're strong enough" and honestly it was one of the tipping points that made me leave the faith. I felt like I was being driven even more insane by their passive notions and their lack of care.
I hope you have been able to feel more mentally healthy - virtual hugs.
"god gives you this bc he knows you're strong enough"
Yeah, I remember as a kid, I was frequently told, "God will never give you more than you can handle."
...unless you die of something.
@@christasimon9716”God gives his toughest battles to his strongest soldiers” is another one. But “God never gives you more than you can bear” makes no sense cause then how would one explain suic!de
"Is she ok? I'm genuinely concerned for her!" Drew echoed my thoughts on that second clip.
"How do you anoint your house if you WANT sexual dreams?"
There's a WAP joke to be made here I just know it
Obviously you do it with a bucket and a mop. lol
😅
Idk read some smut before bed, sleep on your stomach
@@malanenix4033 you left out that you need to be face down, ass up when you're casting the bucket and a mop spell. It doesn't work otherwise. I should know, I tried. You get some really weird results if you mess up...results I'd rather not get into among polite company.
There is probably some ritual somebody has put out there. But realistically you focus on what fantasy you want to dream about as you’re falling asleep. It works for me all the time to have lucid dreams too.
All this time I thought our colds were because my husband teaches elementary school, the lost items were because we both have ADHD, and this fatigue was my long Covid.
Nope, it’s evil spirits. BRB, gonna go get some holy oil.
"the more you know" 😆
@@riseofdarkleela Do you think it would be presumptuous to ask my Orthodox friend for holy oil?
Because I don’t think this grapeseed is going to do the trick…
To me that's a strawman here. A lot of christians assume there is demonic activity and then attribute the cause of all wrong either to humans (that let themselves be guided by said forces, i.e. fall for temptation) or to demons. That doesn't mean they don't acknowledge the natural causes, both could be true at the same time.
Ugh depression vs jeezus girl is gross. "He broke me" thats disgusting and her fake emotion is pathetic. Im with drew, is she ok? The answer is no.
That first clip is basically "if you experience signs of stress or sickness or just normal human experiences PRAY!" Most of that list is just "fear your body (including your mind)!"
"He broke me to build me"..........fucking gross 🤢
It sounds very culty.
I remember in church youth class they told us a story about a girl who went to a rock concert, and at the door they stopped her, and wouldn't let her in because they could see that she had a protection around her, they told us because her parents were praying for her, it kept her from being in the wrong places. I cannot find any evidence of that story anywhere.
They made it up like they always do 😂
Jehovas witnesses have many such superstitious stories.
i was a christian teenager and it did more harm than good😭not a day goes by that i don't regret the time i spent in the church, especially during those teenage years.
Same with me, but I used to be a Muslim.
Hoo boy, the Beethoven comparison woman... That had me feeling a lot of things. The way she minimizes the harm caused by the church and shifts the onus of doing better onto the people who are hurt... Big oof...
my jaw literally dropped HAHA that poem was one of the worst and most illogical things I've ever heard
Big oof, 100%
...and guess what? The spirit of Beethoven isn't supposed to dwell in the hearts and minds of all orchestra players, like her God's spirit is supposed to do, either! 😂
What made me cringe hardest is that she seems to be 100% sincere
I’m continually blown away by how deeply evangelicals have now leaned into the spiritual warfare side of things. I’m a little older and it’s been a couple of decades since I left that kind of church. But when I was growing up, there was very limited appetite for it. The idea of doing any kind of rituals or talking specifically about praying demons away would be pushed aside as “Catholic superstition.” Which was gross in its own way. But I think the Satanic Panic followed by the publication of “This Present Darkness,” coupled with Protestant America in general calming down about Catholics, lead to a pretty big shift.
Which all goes to show how evangelical beliefs and behaviors are just as changing and subject to trends as anything else in society. Funny, for all they talk about holding steady to the unchanging and eternal Truth. 😂
they cant see they’re changing. Nor can they acknowledge it. They’ve trained themselves to simply see it as “always been, always was.”
That's true, but at the same time, they're always looking for someone to blame for all of society's ills, which tend to be marginalized communities and religious minorities. When evangelicals run out of people to blame, they cycle back to their old playbook, like bringing back the Satanic Panic of the 1980s and couching it in different language.
Funny because usually people that are the most into spiritual warfare around me are the older ones (these are also the most paranoid about the Catholic church, there is a strong correlation). I'm not in the US. Even evangelical christianity in South America and even more so in Europe (I have lived in French Guiana and also the European part of France) is culturally very different from the same branches in the US.
It's especially true in Europe as christians don't have a choice but to be more open minded as they/we* are a minority.
*I don't know if I should consider myself in or out
6:28 The day before Valentine's day six years ago - I hit rock bottom. I was struggling with depression. My social anxiety was so bad. I didn't know what to do.
I confided in someone I trusted and who had helped me in the past with my anxiety and gave me advice. But he had always suggested therapy.
That day he told me he wanted me to help, but I needed a professional. He then helped me call a therapist. I went for a while and got diagnosed with social anxiety.
I grew up Catholic. I grew up going to Catholic school. I was made to think that my health didn't matter. I was harassed by the kids in my class. The school did nothing. I had teachers and administration literally witness what I went through. Seldom did anyone stop it.
Six years later. My mental health is the best it has ever been. I have been going through the harassment l received at Catholic school and started discussing it.
I don't know how to explain how enraging this person's comment made me. Telling someone who is struggling that they just need Jesus whenever they're struggling to wake up in the morning - that's disgusting.
I don't care if god is what helped your your mental health. I don't care if you suggest that your religion helped you with your depression. I DO care if you say someone's lack of faith is making their mental health worse. I DO care that they are preying on vulnerable people in order to try to lure them into religion.
It disgusts me, truly. There is already such a stigma around therapy. Yes, it has gotten better over the years, but the stigma is still there. The stigma is still there in religious circles.
I'm lucky to not have grown up in a religion that used essential oils for everything. But I also know the religion I grew up in would blame mental healtg issues on not being close enough with god. It is still so stigmatized to be in (some) religions and seek mental health help.
It infuriates me seeing people like this. They ARE the problem. If I had heard that - I wouldn't have asked for help. I would've been struggling for far longer. Hell, I might not be here right now because of advice like that.
As someone who has been in rock bottom - it disgusts me, truly. I'm glad the people around me pushed for me to go to therapy. It helped me realize how bad of a headspace I truly was in
The poor witch is in the background clutching her pentacle and trying to figure out a way out of the situation but she's too kind to be rude and leave.
I know, I felt so bad for her, like she can't just abandon her friend, but it's also so awkward and uncomfortable to stay. I wonder if the friend went along with it because of peer pressure from the guy or if she actually believes it.
The bit about forgiveness is so dangerous when you apply it in broad strokes the way that some churches do.
I was SAed when i was 21 by someone in my family. His dad was a pastor and he sat me down and gave me this forgiveness pitch. He ended up making me pray so god could help me forgive him and then his son faced zero consequences. He went on to continue being a leader in the church and im happily away from all their BS
OMG! So sorry for you! You don t forgive people who aren't ready to redeem themselves. And you don't HAVE to forgive if you don't want to. I hope they will someday be held accountable for their behaviour. That someone will have the strength. Screw them.
Forgiveness is for abusers to gain power, not seeking vengeance is the way forward for the victim.
About gossip: I wish my friends had “gossiped” about my ex. It would have saved me a lot of distress. It was only after I broke up with them that all these stories came up, emphasizing how right my choice to leave had been.
Oh wow, the depression reel set off so much religious trauma. The amount of time I spent pushing through, asking god for help, casting out demons, reading/studying my Bible, seeking counsel from "godly people," meditating on and memorizing scripture, going to church groups, worshipping, etc. Turns out these things don't heal depression or PTSD. If you're in a toxic faith environment, they can get you deeper and deeper into shame and religious isolation, though.
Sounds like you're in a better place. I can empathize - not with depression, but problems I was experiencing that needed to be tangibly addressed in the real world; not by burying my face in scripture, meditating on his word, or kneeling in a quiet place talking to myself. Hope you're doing well ❤
Perfect first video to talk about with the dreams line. Last night I had:
- Sexual dreams about a mermaid
- Dream where 4 inch spiders hatched out of rotting food and also there were slightly bigger scorpions. I had to kill the 4 inch spiders with a laser.
I thought it was just being single on Valentine's Day and needing to clean my apartment. Didn't even think about spiritual warfare.
Also can the dream mermaid return tonight, subconscious? 😂
Idea: try listening to “The Mermaid” by Bobby Bare on loop while going to sleep. It’s a song about dating a mermaid that for some reason my dad thought was appropriate material for a child even though it’s a little racy. “From her head to her waist she was just my taste, but the bottom part was a fish!”
Thanks for putting me on my new favorite song haha
I was thinking the other day about how "gossip" is a way to warn people about dangerous and violent people when it's not safe to speak out publicly, especially when your society or organisation shelters those predators and shames and endangers victims. So it was really cool to hear Taylor and Drew talk about that too.
Great point about toxic positivity too!
I love how these people demonize witchcraft and then actively participate in that practice.
Every Christian that I have come across has always suffered with depression. As an ex evangelical, I also suffered with depression. It was never something that was cured, or that I had help with while being in the church I was told to leave it up to God, in Jesus hands, however these folks don’t realize that when you’re constantly speaking that you were unworthy of love and healing that this also speaks to your mind in the state of depression, anxiety, stress. So of course you’re not going to be delivered from this. After leaving nearly 12 years ago I have not faced depression, nor anxiety, I may go through short period of sadness, but it’s not everlasting. I found my true meaning in myself that has been there all along, and that healing process has brought me happiness. Dealing with my own traumas and getting help for it is where the healing begins.
54:50 christians are so primed to tell outlandish stories with no proof. Pastors tell anecdotes in their homilies that are almost certainly untrue. One of the funny bits from John Mulaney is when he says as a kid he always wanted to shout out during those anecdotes: "who was the man? What was his name? When did this happen?" Etc
The anecdotes can be strange, I heard one where a preacher said he knew someone that said the "African language" didn't have a word for snow.... I checked, it was a lie.
@@tomgames8616i hope he didnt say “the african language” because thats almost as clown shoes as saying “the Asian language”
@@Vanglusshe said "the African language", that's why I put it in quotes
@@tomgames8616 god help us all
@@Vangluss the worst part is everyone believed it... out of 200 people only 1 fact checked the claim.
So yes, god help us all.
I have deconstructed over the last few years and the clip with the witch was the first time i have heard someone evangelize since my time in the church. His speech and prayer were weirdly graphic and semi horrifying. My mind is blown rn
Dude I get so uncomfortable w that stuff because of how and what they say. It sounds much more “demonic” than they think
The glorification of violence in the crucifixion story is very uncomfortable for me. I just want to ask people, “Do you hear yourself?”
When I was a young JW (15 or 16), a group of us went to see Titanic in the theater. My mom was sitting next to me and covered my eyes during the "paint me like one of your French girls" scene. It was so incredibly embarrassing for me.
For the opposite team, my mental health got so much better leaving the church. I was diagnosed with depression & anxiety when I was 15 & I struggled quite a bit with it.
I left the church about 3 years ago. It’s crazy how much less anxious I am about not praying the right way & making the right decisions & controlling all of my thoughts. It’s wild how much less I struggle with self hatred because I don’t listen to the church telling me to do so.
On a more positive note, I very much appreciated hearing you say that forgiveness isn't necessary. Hard agree on that one. Sometimes the best way to heal is to say "Hey, this person is a toxic influence in my life, they haven't learned/gotten better, and the best way for me to heal is to show them the door, with or without 'forgiveness.'" Forgiveness can be a great part of healing in some circumstances, but it's certainly not a necessary part of healing in all circumstances. (As Drew said, it might not even make sense in some situations and/or may be actively unhelpful!)
(It also felt really good to hear other people say that forgiveness and "getting to a point where somebody no longer lives rent-free in your head" are not the same thing. Conflating those two things is so flippin' common, and not just in uber-Christian circles. It drives me bananas.)
I am glad to hear people say this because I have been struggling. I was hurt by a "Christian" man. More like a narcissist. I don't have it in me to forgive him for what he put me through. Manipulation, gaslighting, blame shifting, having a thing for little girls.
That girls gone Bible one just sounds like a codependent abusive relationship
Harley Quinn before she left The Joker!
Hundreds of years ago, people were accusing Mozart of selling his soul to the devil. It's nothing more than jealousy of talent and success. It never changes, unfortunately
Satan's skill as a fiddle player is well documented.
(C. Daniels et. al., 1979)
That was even turned into a Futurama episode about that.
😂😂😂
As a baby witch, the girl holding onto her necklace (probably charmed or a crystal) during the prayer is so relatable to me lol. And to think they're so scared of us 😂
Poor thing, trapped in this embarrassing situation 🙄
We're not scared of you. The demons you feel empowered by hate your guts. Jesus Christ loves you and hates witchcraft.
The witch friend looking away from the cringe as they pray! 😂
as a witch i can confirm they did not care and just said they did for shits and giggles you can see how uncomfortable they both were it’s sad
You don't know their hearts. The demons you serve hate your guts. Christians love everyone in our better moments. God commands it.
@@timothybuckley7317 You say you know their hearts and immediately judge hers. This is the problem with you people we see where your heart is right now and its not in a good place. Common Christian hypocrisy right here with you.
I grew up Southern Baptist... I now go to a very progressive Christian Church. I really enjoy watching your videos. It's a wonderful reminder of just how messed up a lot of the things I was taught as a "PK" (preachers kid for those not up on the lingo, lol). I married a man because my parents thought he would be perfect for me and mostly that he would settle me down. I had children and came so dangerously close to being in a situation where I'd have not been able to have a relationship with them due to their sexual orientation and gender identities. Thankfully I saw God in my kiddos and love and understanding that the church says isn't there and began my journey to find truth for myself. I'm still unpacking in personal therapy, and I still believe in God and go to church. However, I'm a much more open person now. I love that my church welcomes EVERYONE doesn't just pay lip service to that. I'm divorced, remarried to a man who is wonderfully loving to both of my children and myself. He has helped rebuild a healthy relationship with a father figure who doesn't judge for sexual orientation or gender identity. It's been a journey for both my kiddos and myself. Kinda just share all of that to say, thanks for being kind and respectful in the way you present information. I find y'all to be a very good example of allow others the dignity of respecting we are all different and find our path in various ways.
That’s really good to hear, and quite rare. Good on you
"You don't need therapy or medicine. God is your source" almost got me k1lled.
I was going through my first major depressive episode and had been reciting scripture, getting prayer from the team, listening to Maranatha music (UUGGGHHHH) and posting Bible verses about healing all over my house and cubicle at work.
It wasn't until I set out one evening to do myself in that I got scared enough to ignore what my spiritual leaders said and go for help.
I should have been hospitalized but I just found a therapist and got some meds.
Through trial and error with meds and therapists I finally started getting some relief.
I do have a mental condition but meds keep me fairly even most of the time.
I didn't realize until now that Christianity preaches that you put all your worries onto God, while simultaneously saying that if you have faith you should have no worries. But if you truly have no worries, you must be missing something. "He broke me to build me up, so i would hunger for him." The actions of a narcissist.
Good observation. The christian god is clearly a narcissist of the worst kind. In fact in Gnosticism (an early sect that was stamped out and largely removed from history) it is believed that god is a false god, basically a twisted and cruel being that liked to amuse himself by basking in the suffering he inflicted indiscriminately. He craves worship and praise, and is a jealous and petty creature. Think about how god treated his most loyal subjects. He was incredibly cruel for no real reason that was clear. If you want to read more about this, look up his other names (Yaldabaoth, Saklas, Demiurge). I don't believe either version of events at face value, but wow wouldn't that explain so much? Why does god allow suffering on such a massive scale? Why was he so cruel in the old testament?
Also consider that Jesus had a VASTLY different message than the god of the old testament. Gnostics believe that Jesus was sent by the true god (a being of all encompassing light rather than a person in the sky) to warn us that we were being deceived and we were following an abomination dedicated to keeping us from realizing the divine nature in ourselves that could free us from the chains. This also holds true all the way back to genesis when adam and eve were expelled from eden because they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, and became essentially self-aware. That seems to align with the notion that Saklas wants us all to be subjugated through ignorance.
My friend group calls every single new information about anyone's life "gossip", even our own. Gossip can literally be that a friend is texting someone new and that's a good thing that we celebrate. Other times is sharing what someone did that was rude or mean.
The signs they need to annoint their home sound more like signs they need to check for CO leaks or black mold
Very minor thing but in the first one naming 'sexual dreams' as a sign of sickness is kinda wild to me.
The one woman said she hadn't even heard heard of Jesus before she converted. How???
i mean it isn’t **impossible,** but so statically unlikely that if it is true its a marvel
That's what made me think it was scripted. Anyone growing up in the western world, especially the United States, would need to live under a rock to have never heard of Jesus or been exposed to Christian iconography.
Oh, it's super simple. She's lying.
That is the most insane bold face lie like I’m genuinely shocked😭😭 Why lie about that?
Are you talking about the witch? So... he ...will...go....awayyyyyyyy@@itsathi6055
I die inside at how cringy the gospel sounds when people try to explain it to someone with little to no familiarity
"Hello, can I talk to about the Goddess?"
A thought on the gossip part: I think a better way to phrase that kind of advice (on the original posters part not Drew and Taylors) would have been to talk about what is a breach of trust vs what is warning other of danger. It´s not bad to tell others about bad actors, it is bad to spread stories that embarrass someone when what that person did is harmless.
This is coming from the perspective of having been a victim of bullying and having stories, both true and false, spread around about me as a teen.
Though I imagine it could be phrased better. :P
Looking at this from a country in Northern Europe. Man, you've got some very weird people over there.
But then again, we also have weird people over here as well.
Ugh, as a recovering former Christian I felt that Victoria's Secret one..
I was a queer AFAB kid who felt the absolutely shame of even *looking* in the direction of Victoria's Secret, even though (I thought) I was a girl, and also, why was I uncomfortable about thinking "immodestly clothed" women looked good?
That video was both extremely funny and such a call-out to my former Christian self simultaneously. 😂😂😂
On my way to get unholy water so i can anoint my house to welcome some spicy dreams this weekend!
Running into one of these folks occasionally is one thing, but seeing several compiled together is kind of frightening.
Girly that first one sounds like mold toxicity and/or just being an adult human
the music industry one has another level to it that makes his interpretation incredibly funny XD most artists will say they "sold their soul" because the music industry is extremely predatory. A lot of signing deals take an outsized level of control and profit and younger artists are pulled in sometimes without really knowing what they are signing away. It's an industry critique.
In the witch teacher story, wouldn't a child having fire around them moreso suggest that they have Satanic energy? 🤨
"I sold my soul to the devil and then I stole it back"
-Mike Ness
On the "Satan was a musician in heaven" line. It's kind of.. contextual clues, found only in the KJV version. Basically Satan was called a cherub in Ezekiel and Isaiah, and Ezekiel 28:13 says the line "The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created," so somehow that has been twisted to mean that Lucifier was made to play the timbrels and pipes. But playing music isn't the duty of the cherubim according to Angelology researchers. I don't know. It just sounds like more attempts at making Music equate to being demonic as opposed to psalms which are holy. Its dumb.
my dad thinks music (except for old Michigan Motown and 80’s rock) is satanic because music is airwaves, and i quote, “satan is the prince of the air”
Really funny tbh
"If you cannot pray to the lord while you're doing something, then you should not be doing that thing" sounds like something I would have said in high school as a half-baked excuse for avoiding my math homework
Also on the music note The Devil Went Down to Georgia is an amazing piece music to any who haven't stumbled across it
I would expect that moving into a new home would introduce stress into the relationship, arguments about the multitude of decisions to be made when relocating, maybe there are molds or allergens in the new location that triggers allergic reactions or sickness, and a million other "IRL" variables that get ignored because one is too busy pointing the finger of spiritual blame.
Somebody needs to tell that man talking with the two witches, that witchcraft was often practiced by Christians and many books on witchcraft describe the craft from a Christian perspective and with a Christian base (as well as with other perspectives as well, but Christianity is still very common in witchcraft). You can be any religion and with any faith and still be a witch. That young woman he "converted" might still be a witch and practice witchcraft but she's now also a Christian... I mean, most healers, lightworkers, etc are religious and have always been. And calling yourself a witch vs a lightworker is just a matter of semantics. It's just words that describe magickal/spiritual workings. Witchcraft has always been part of Christianity, it's just that it's not always called by that word... So... That video about the witches was not that impressive in my opinion. I'm myself a religious witch.
Do you have the names of these books? Never heard of them I'm interested!
@@seraphile5720 I know the famous "Consorting with spirits" talks about witchcraft from a Christian lens. Just as an example :)
Gotta love that lady Wiccan's response. Just...all the patience for her friend (or gf, I don't judge), and awkwardly twiddling with her necklace in the background. Spectacular lol
Referring to the first reel - I had the most sexual dreams as a christian when I wasn't allowing myself to be sexual in any shape or form in real life LOL
The way that the ad that popped up is “wanna get closer to god? Get our app!” 😭😭😭
How is putting a spell on someone any different than praying for someone?
That’s the neat part, it’s not! Like, maybe for the spell you’re acting for yourself and not imploring some supposed external entity to act on your behalf. But it’s the same.
I think it's cool how respectful you two are, I know there's no way I could react to videos like this without some serious eye rolling. The fact that you guys show restraint and don't sigh or roll your eyes no matter how ridiculous the video is really admirable
They really do find a great mix of being kind with being honest and analytical.
So bizar .. his blood spil payment for sin?! The violence. Blood cult. Literally blood as payment.
I'm going to get myself killed myself on your behalf.
Please don't.
Christians be like we don’t sacrifice animals but we do sacrifice Demi-gods and saints!
I’m so thankful for your content it has spoken to me in a deep level . I am a Christian and a recent believer . I am thankful a came across your content because it has encouraged me to seek my god on my own and not rely on other peoples testimony. I’m am now called to read my bible and search for god on my own. In sorry that the church hurt you. I will pray for you and your husband and god still loves you even if you have turned away from him .
re: #2 girls gone bible, while it's true that my generalized anxiety may never be 100% "cured", taking Zoloft has made it significantly better and it makes me SO mad that these christian influencers might drive people away from legitimate and effective mental health care
The worst part about the Beethoven analogy is that Beethoven didn't create the orchestra members, but according to Christians God created each of them exactly as they are. If they are incapable of properly interpreting God's message it's entirely God's fault. He created the message and the "flawed" individuals who can't read it correctly.
Here I was assuming he was going to mention "suffer a witch to live".
Dante wrote 33 cantos each of purgatory and heaven, it's just the first 34 involving hell that are most famous. Kind of proves the point, still, because they are the more interesting ones so everyone remembers them right away.
50:22 Forgive and Forget. Forgive yourself for making the mistake, and forget ever trusting that person again.
Here in NZ, if people tried some of that public proselytising they would be told in no uncertain terms to just F **k off. Us Kiwis don't take well to the whole tall poppy complex.
Love you guys. It's nice having some parasocial friends who know about the situations I've been in and are able to discuss things rationally.
Im a witch and man the witch one had me cringing so hard. Tbh i think the girl who did the prayer may have felt like she needed too, but this is so uncomfortable.
I remember Jesus did nothing but destroy any trust I had in myself, make me feel like I didn't deserve good things in life, make me feel unworthy of love, make me feel guilty all the time and have panic attacks about if I was going to hell constantly. I was suicidal at my most devoted to Jesus, and the worse I felt the more I felt like I needed him. I would cry in public way too often bc I just was so fucking confused and sad all the time, my Christian friends would tell me demons were just oppressing me. Funny enough, the demons totally left me alone when I started going to therapy and taking medication and my mental health and my life completely transformed when I finally stopped believing. I'm a 1000% better, more confident, more loving version of myself than I ever was as a Christian
Telling people that no therapy will fully heal you is incredibly dangerous. I mean yeah unfortunately there are people who suffer even though they've been to therapy a long time. But you shouldn't just discourage people to not do the thing that is statisticly most likely going to help you. There's a bunch of other helpful valid stuff as well - going to a church is not one.
Been to therapy a few times... therapy helps more than getting shamed by 50+ year olds who are sometimes emotionally manipulative.
Also the more “extremes” like inducing anxiety, depression, religious ocd, shame to suicide pipeline
I'm one of those people who have not been helped by extensive therapy and I agree 100%. Whatever my experience and whatever the reason (or reasons) for it, there is substantial evidence that mental health care can absolutely change lives... and prevent them from being artificially shortened. The idea that people are attempting to push people away from treatments that could save their lives or, at least, allow them to reduce levels of anxiety and fear while increasing levels of joy and contentment is nothing short of disgusting.
@@martinmckee5333 I could understand if someone in your situation would be frustrated, and I'd be more understanding if a person like that would push others away "because it didn't work (for them)". I mean honestly the main problem is that the christians just tatget vulnerable and desperate people - they have no clue about mental health and probably don't even care or try to understand...
I'm sorry that therapy didn't really work for you. Have you tried coaching or meditation? Or did something else work for you already?
@@vmofu7317 Shame is one of the most problematic emotions that make it hard to even start healing. Because often acceptance of the situation you're in is required to heal.
Shame easily leads to more stress, anxiety and bad coping.
I'm so glad to hear Taylor talking about Evangelical doublespeak because this is such a massive problem that I think REALLY needs to be covered by everyone tackling critical discussions on evangelicalism, whether skeptic channels or mainstream news addressing the US evangelical movement's support of the MAGA cult and the US Republican party's re-framing of situations (constantly) and redefining words but only when it suits them (like "groomer" to refer to trans and gay people). Redefining words like "love" and "forgiveness" to often mean the opposite is a VERY evangelical thing.
Drew was also spot-on pointing out how she's describing her suffering as if it's a success story and how we'd never tolerate that as normal if she was instead describing a therapist or something else as the cure. It's just abuse, and I remember exactly how it was for me, trying to "push through" and "warfare against" depression and fight the feelings. One day it was too much and I just stopped my "warfare" praying because I was too exhausted and depressed, and the moment I gave up, just lying on my bed, my feelings instandly lifted to become a lot more bearable.
It was relief! And then I realised WOAH was I WORSENING or perhaps even CAUSING my own depression through this immense insurmountable burden I put on myself!? That was definitely a step on my deconstruction journey, in starting to realise that what I'd been taught about attributing my own feelings to Satan or the Holy Spirit was not what I'd thought! Though at the time, I simply saw it as "maybe we're not supposed to be 'warfaring' or 'striving' but actually TRUST God to deliver!"
Excellent insights, as usual. I liked hearing how comfortable Taylor was with reading thoughts she'd previously written down. She still sounded natural, wasn't going too fast (as people often do when reading), and got the satisfaction of knowing she didn't leave out something she wanted to say.
53:55 I honestly won't fancy having a wall of fire around me since wall of fire does 5d8 fire damage every turn for a minute and my dexterity is not that great 😅
1:26 ok I just want to say because as a witch I see this in the spiritual community too, most of these symptoms, increased forgetfulness, an unsettling feeling, being easily irritated and provoked into arguing, feeling nauseous for ongoing periods of time, extreme fatigue, (and I think even experiencing sleep paralysis/more intense dreams, but fact check me on them) are all symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning!!!! If these things happen suddenly and consistently do NOT assume it's a spiritual attack first please please please get your house checked!!!!!
My parents are always listening to videos of the astral projection lady and her husband, always sending youtube links to the group chat lol. My younger brother has joined them and truly believes he has prayed his depression away yet he still shows signs of not being ok. I told him to get therapy but he got angry at me. It's so sad
Taylor I am feeling your earrings 👀. They look awesome. Great and insightful video of course but also, earrings are on point 👏 lol.