I haven't played a lot of Civ yet. But I have a similar sentiment. Just got done with a 500 turn game in which I failed to be as dominant with religion as I had intended. Had I known about this, I might have performed better.
Subscribed to your channel today. Love 4x games and am a big fan of Civ 5 (don't like 6 at all!). Learned a lot from your Humankind videos! Thanks for the great work. Always love seeing new Civ 5 content. Couple of things to add IMO - a little talk about Pantheons and how important it is to get pantheons early as the cost of getting pantheons goes up as others get them (Single/multiplayer). Another thing to get faith early is to scouting as much as you can in the beginning to meet religious city states like Lhasa/Wittenberg can also get you faith without building. Getting this is a bit of luck though. Always build Shrines early - esp if you take Tradition. I like to start with 2 scouts - research Pottery and build a shrine as early as possible. The best faith pantheons IMO are Desert Faith (if you have a few desert tiles), Earth Mother (if you have a couple of copies salt/copper), One with nature (if you're lucky enough to settle a good wonder - Old Faithful/Barringer Crater/Krakatoa are not so useful at the beginning), and, God King (if you don't have anything else). Quarries are decent if you have multiple copies of stone/marble but tend to be slower to develop. The rest looks good. Perhaps a couple of words on the Faith Wonders later like the Mosque of Djenne and Grand Temple would be good. The Piety tree as well can really accelerate your faith and help with Gold/Culture and Military later. Oh - if you have a decent religion - it also helps to be friends/allies with Faith based City states - another way to buff your Faith/turn and be able to buy stuff. Faith also helps with the Culture victory where all religious buildings give +2 tourism. If you can establish your world religion as majority - that helps tourism as well. Spreading your religion to city states reduces the speed at which your influence over them diminishes and you get a tourism modifier for shared religions with other civs.. Thanks again though!
Notes on the inquisitors: 1. they can defile another religion's holy city (if you own it), permanently removing its HC status (allowing it to be razed if it wasn't also the capital city). 2. I believe their effectiveness is severely reduced when using them in cities you don't own 3. Unlike Great Prophets, _Missionaries and Inquisitors_ DON'T necessarily support their purchaser's religion; they support whatever religion happened to be the local majority when and where they were purchased. So if someone else converts your holy city, DON'T buy an inquisitor right away from the same city to try to fix it; you'll only end up desecrating your own holy city (ask me how I know... 😭)
Also, within the Piety Tree, the final social policy allows you to have reformation abilities. Within those abilities, you can choose to also buy all great people using faith post Industrial. There are several others too and they are all mostly very useful in the late game.
Well put together video.. ive been playing civ 5 for about 5 years on and off but never got into religion because i also thought of it as boring. But after this video for my next game i sure will found religion :)
I was hoping for more of an in-depth explanation on some of the traits you can assign to religion, specifically in regard to the less direct +1 type bonuses. Things like the difference in practical application between Religious Texts ("Religion spreads 25% faster (50% with Printing Press)") and Itinerant Preachers ("Religion spreads to cities 30% further away") - when you'd want one vs the other.
If you're founding a religion and picking a trait whose benefit you don't get till the printing press... you're doing it wrong. You should be looking for either early game advantages to get that early momentum going or something that continually adds more and more bonuses over time (like getting more gold for the number of people/cities following your religion for example).
Pick 'texts' if you are close to many enemy cities. 'itinerant' if you are continent or islands of some sort where there is a large distance between cities. I always go '100 gold for first conversion as you can make a quick 1000$ off 5 missionary or 3 if you have 'dejenne' Another one is use the terrain to determine your first choice. Desert tiles or tundra as a majority of local area gives you your population of city in faith (if they are working those tiles.) If you are a wonder fiend like me, and have marble on site pick monument of gods for a boost to the early wonders. Combine that with 'tradition' and you can pump out the wonders. ;side note if you have marble or stone build the museleum before you create a religion to get another 100 gold from your prophet. Last thing. If you select the pagoda and monastery you can get 4 😀, 4culture and 4 faith each city which over time gets you oodles of faith per turn combined with everything else going on previously, save you culture up for the reformation belief and select purchase any great person at industrial era. No need to finish any other policies to get a great person.
I bank my faith till late game Then use it to buy Great Scientists. I get 5+ Great Scientists after I get to modern age for a MAJOR tech boost when you need it the most.
But, is there any "tactical" advantages of spreading your religion to other civs? Because if a religion gives bonuses, tacticaly you wouldnt want for the others to have it. Or am I missing something?
Some bonuses are only wanted by the Religion’s Founder, but scale based on how far the religion has spread. For example, Tithe offers gold per number of followers, but just to you as the Founder.
Adding onto this: say the opponent you're spreding your faith to is going for a cultural victory and your faith is domination-oriented - you'll make MUCH more profit of spreading that faith than the benefit your opponent will have from adopting said religion (i.e you'll be buying tons of troops with your massive faith generation while their little faith generation will not allow them to, or if they do it they will have to sacrifice buying great artists/writers with it). It's all about making the balance lean on to your end!
I don’t get why a religion victory wasn’t added, your religion sweeps over the world and your messiah comes etc etc. it wouldn’t even be supernatural it would be up to the player is the messiah just a dude or the real deal but either way you win 🤣
A little late for me playing this game (2 years I guess LOL) try to use inquisitor on other civ land(can't moving unless request open border) and city state but did not see any icon to operate it for reducing other religions. So it could only useful for defend your city from other missionaries to spread only?
@@JumboPixel good to know, just started playing the game, build about 12 and conquered more to grab most of the t land, but have crappy towns with unhappy ppl. Seems like I created virtual Russia...
Holy shed I hate when ai just puts Like 4 missionires on my cities (and even though I am literaly the highest faith producing civ they have more. Faith than me for some reason) and all I had to do the counter that was to just put inqisitors there?thanks mate
Other religions can pick choices locking you out of one's you want. If your not first to found and advance your religion to the end tier you have to pick what the others didn't
This is probably an obvious question but why would you spread religion to other player's cities if it gives them benefits. Surely you would want other religions to come to your cities?
Depends on the bonuses your religion offers. Some are based on number of followers, for example if you get more gold based on # of followers, it can be worth spreading your religion all over the globe.
Inquisitors doesn't appear to be capable of cleaning a foreign city of their religion. At least in my games. I play with Gods and Kings and Brave New World.
I’ve found the same thing. Embarked one over to an island city state thinking I could delete its religion, but found I just wasted my inquisitor’s moves on that lol.
Holy crap, Jumbo! All my years in civ and I never realized the defensive use of Inquisitors! Thanks for the heads up, man!
Isn’t it awesome when you discover little things like that!
I haven't played a lot of Civ yet. But I have a similar sentiment. Just got done with a 500 turn game in which I failed to be as dominant with religion as I had intended. Had I known about this, I might have performed better.
Awesome! Now make one where you spawn near Attila
Lmao 🤣
😭
Bribing him to declare war on other civs usually works
Brilliant! That makes this aspect of the game much clearer 👍
Awesome!
Subscribed to your channel today. Love 4x games and am a big fan of Civ 5 (don't like 6 at all!). Learned a lot from your Humankind videos! Thanks for the great work. Always love seeing new Civ 5 content.
Couple of things to add IMO - a little talk about Pantheons and how important it is to get pantheons early as the cost of getting pantheons goes up as others get them (Single/multiplayer). Another thing to get faith early is to scouting as much as you can in the beginning to meet religious city states like Lhasa/Wittenberg can also get you faith without building. Getting this is a bit of luck though. Always build Shrines early - esp if you take Tradition. I like to start with 2 scouts - research Pottery and build a shrine as early as possible.
The best faith pantheons IMO are Desert Faith (if you have a few desert tiles), Earth Mother (if you have a couple of copies salt/copper), One with nature (if you're lucky enough to settle a good wonder - Old Faithful/Barringer Crater/Krakatoa are not so useful at the beginning), and, God King (if you don't have anything else). Quarries are decent if you have multiple copies of stone/marble but tend to be slower to develop.
The rest looks good. Perhaps a couple of words on the Faith Wonders later like the Mosque of Djenne and Grand Temple would be good. The Piety tree as well can really accelerate your faith and help with Gold/Culture and Military later. Oh - if you have a decent religion - it also helps to be friends/allies with Faith based City states - another way to buff your Faith/turn and be able to buy stuff.
Faith also helps with the Culture victory where all religious buildings give +2 tourism. If you can establish your world religion as majority - that helps tourism as well. Spreading your religion to city states reduces the speed at which your influence over them diminishes and you get a tourism modifier for shared religions with other civs..
Thanks again though!
So so useful! Had no clue how to go about faith before..thanks for the great vid!
Pleasure!
same! i'll definitely keep some inquisitors garrisoned in my next faith game
Notes on the inquisitors:
1. they can defile another religion's holy city (if you own it), permanently removing its HC status (allowing it to be razed if it wasn't also the capital city).
2. I believe their effectiveness is severely reduced when using them in cities you don't own
3. Unlike Great Prophets, _Missionaries and Inquisitors_ DON'T necessarily support their purchaser's religion; they support whatever religion happened to be the local majority when and where they were purchased. So if someone else converts your holy city, DON'T buy an inquisitor right away from the same city to try to fix it; you'll only end up desecrating your own holy city (ask me how I know... 😭)
Also, within the Piety Tree, the final social policy allows you to have reformation abilities. Within those abilities, you can choose to also buy all great people using faith post Industrial. There are several others too and they are all mostly very useful in the late game.
Well put together video.. ive been playing civ 5 for about 5 years on and off but never got into religion because i also thought of it as boring. But after this video for my next game i sure will found religion :)
Thanks!
Works same for uniciv for who ever was wondering
I was hoping for more of an in-depth explanation on some of the traits you can assign to religion, specifically in regard to the less direct +1 type bonuses. Things like the difference in practical application between Religious Texts ("Religion spreads 25% faster (50% with Printing Press)") and Itinerant Preachers ("Religion spreads to cities 30% further away") - when you'd want one vs the other.
If you're founding a religion and picking a trait whose benefit you don't get till the printing press... you're doing it wrong.
You should be looking for either early game advantages to get that early momentum going or something that continually adds more and more bonuses over time (like getting more gold for the number of people/cities following your religion for example).
Pick 'texts' if you are close to many enemy cities. 'itinerant' if you are continent or islands of some sort where there is a large distance between cities.
I always go '100 gold for first conversion as you can make a quick 1000$ off 5 missionary or 3 if you have 'dejenne'
Another one is use the terrain to determine your first choice. Desert tiles or tundra as a majority of local area gives you your population of city in faith (if they are working those tiles.)
If you are a wonder fiend like me, and have marble on site pick monument of gods for a boost to the early wonders. Combine that with 'tradition' and you can pump out the wonders. ;side note if you have marble or stone build the museleum before you create a religion to get another 100 gold from your prophet.
Last thing. If you select the pagoda and monastery you can get 4 😀, 4culture and 4 faith each city which over time gets you oodles of faith per turn combined with everything else going on previously, save you culture up for the reformation belief and select purchase any great person at industrial era. No need to finish any other policies to get a great person.
I have always overlooked inquisitors. Now i think i should at least build one. Thanks for the tip
Any time! :D
I feel like every time I go for a faith based game, i get absolutely obliterated by the warmongering AI, lol.
thank you, I have over 1000 hours in the game and didn't know about leaving inquisitors in city's
I would like to add that the religious buildings get taken by the A.I so quickly that is has to be the first follower belief you get.
I bank my faith till late game Then use it to buy Great Scientists. I get 5+ Great Scientists after I get to modern age for a MAJOR tech boost when you need it the most.
Awesome video man!
Ya gotta have faith faith faith
I gotta have Faith Faith Faith
What a lovely guy. Thank you
But, is there any "tactical" advantages of spreading your religion to other civs?
Because if a religion gives bonuses, tacticaly you wouldnt want for the others to have it. Or am I missing something?
Some bonuses are only wanted by the Religion’s Founder, but scale based on how far the religion has spread. For example, Tithe offers gold per number of followers, but just to you as the Founder.
@@JumboPixel Ah ok. Thank you!
Adding onto this: say the opponent you're spreding your faith to is going for a cultural victory and your faith is domination-oriented - you'll make MUCH more profit of spreading that faith than the benefit your opponent will have from adopting said religion (i.e you'll be buying tons of troops with your massive faith generation while their little faith generation will not allow them to, or if they do it they will have to sacrifice buying great artists/writers with it). It's all about making the balance lean on to your end!
Good video. One question, how does religious pressure work with followers and such
More followers = more pressure emanating, but also the number of cities matters too.
Gotta have faith
Can you do a video on faith in civ 6
Absolutely! Anything in particular you’d like to hear about? (district, policies, units, etc?)
@@JumboPixel policies
I don’t get why a religion victory wasn’t added, your religion sweeps over the world and your messiah comes etc etc. it wouldn’t even be supernatural it would be up to the player is the messiah just a dude or the real deal but either way you win 🤣
A little late for me playing this game (2 years I guess LOL) try to use inquisitor on other civ land(can't moving unless request open border) and city state but did not see any icon to operate it for reducing other religions. So it could only useful for defend your city from other missionaries to spread only?
im surprised that you mentioned piety, and are going for it.
awesome man
Super helpful!
Glad it helped 🙂
Thanks Much!
Thanks!
Waw, thank you so much...
Thanks for watching!
A question that never gets asked or answered. In general how many city's on average do I need
4
@@JumboPixel good to know, just started playing the game, build about 12 and conquered more to grab most of the t land, but have crappy towns with unhappy ppl. Seems like I created virtual Russia...
Holy shed I hate when ai just puts Like 4 missionires on my cities (and even though I am literaly the highest faith producing civ they have more. Faith than me for some reason) and all I had to do the counter that was to just put inqisitors there?thanks mate
Religion option is lock/off, how can I unlock it? Please help
what's a stone hinge?
So I got my second follower belief unlocked but Holy Warriors didn’t available to choose. Does anyone know why this is?
Other religions can pick choices locking you out of one's you want. If your not first to found and advance your religion to the end tier you have to pick what the others didn't
I used my Inquisitor to remove "Other" faith in my city and he removed my faith and converted every one to the "Other" players faith ... Go Figure !
I pick the image that looks like a bird.
Name the religion some variation of BIRD
so I can say
"Have you heard the word?"
Bird Law real OGs know
nice
This is probably an obvious question but why would you spread religion to other player's cities if it gives them benefits. Surely you would want other religions to come to your cities?
Depends on the bonuses your religion offers. Some are based on number of followers, for example if you get more gold based on # of followers, it can be worth spreading your religion all over the globe.
Inquisitors doesn't appear to be capable of cleaning a foreign city of their religion. At least in my games. I play with Gods and Kings and Brave New World.
I’ve found the same thing. Embarked one over to an island city state thinking I could delete its religion, but found I just wasted my inquisitor’s moves on that lol.
Feel like no point in diety
ha, would not have placed that accent as kiwi
i would argue god king is one of the worst in the game
Faith?
Yup?
@@JumboPixel yeah whats that when its at home? is that same as culture? or is there something that comes later