Homosexuality Is Not Moral And Here's Why
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- Homosexuality is not moral. Nor is it immoral. It has absolutely nothing to do with morality, and it's foolish to pretend that it is in an effort to disguise bigotry.
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Homophobes when they realise he doesn’t support them: We’ve been tricked, backstabbed, and quite possibly bamboozled.
Lol
hence the 4k dislikes
"They had us in the first half, not gonna lie"
@Rizekrispy we as in multiple homophobes talking among each other
someone has watch RVB sarge forever
This takes clickbait to a whole new level
E.D.W 🤔
how?
It does but for a good cause for once, so its quite moral i think :D
@@cubex2160 its not click bait
Its not clickbait cause he explains it so technically its not
Came for a piece of satire, stayed for moral philosophy.
High quality comment
@@braydenkochut5998I second this
@@kat0na_cat I third this
SPoggaflag!!! fs
"As soon as you start trying to make a link between homosexuality and morality, you've already lost the debate." This quote was needed more than ever! ❤
It's a weak argument.
Weak because morality is not actually about legalism so the logic of legality does not suffice.
It's about mechanics.
Something is either mechanically viable or it is not. If it is then it is moral. If it is not then it is immoral.
Humans assess what works for them as individuals, families societies, nations and the world then codify that wisdom into laws, rules and morals. But something is not moral because of a code, but rather what precipitated that code.
The foundational question is not if homosexuality is moral according to the group code, but if it is actually mechanically viable/beneficial, neutral or detrimental.
If it is detrimental then it is immoral. But actually, even some immoral things can be absorbed by individuals and society. Not everything has to be condemned.
I started going into the comments during the video. The second I started reading this comment, he started saying it.
and cucks are spamming like button because cant think for themselved
By the same logic: the slightly different phrase “ as soon as you start trying to make a link between pedophilia and morality, you’ve already lost the debate”
So pedophiles are suddenly okay now 🤷♂️ according to the same principle
@@ButterBabyyy amoral doesn't mean "okay" its just something that ppl can't control. But they can control whether they act upon it or not , according to the consequences or effects they might have to others, for example,there are lots of pedos in the world that have never do anything to kids, and psychopaths among us that have never killed, and gays that never came out.
The title is a good way to attract homophobic people who expect their argument/beliefs to be supported, just to educate them using rational thinking and logic.
Well, I'm already well-educated and I don't need to get an agree from a topic I already know it's true.
That’s why you came isn’t it?
*their
The only “moral” use of clickbait
I love rational thinking and logic
I'm still gay for you Alex
PfEMP1 shit, relatable
oh wait, i’m gay for everyone...
never mind then
lol
FlanelFil That's impossible. No matter what, you cannot be gay for everyone. There will always be someone with a different gender than you.
Jason Skywalker you can. it’s called bisexuality.
One of the definition of gay is happy so yes you can be gay for everyone and not be wrong
My (bisexual) mom would have loved your video. One thing she hated more than homophobia was being “approved” as a non-straight. And so do I.
Bisexual mom LMFAO
@@abdoonyt9049: You don’t know what bisexual means?
@@SimonFalkentorp i know what it means, it just sounds hilarious
@@abdoonyt9049Can’t lie it got a chuckle out of me too
@@abdoonyt9049 Literally what is so funny about that?
I read the title of this video and thought, "Oh, geez! Here we go again." But, after watching it I was very happy I did so. Your points are cogent and your reasoning is outstanding. Really well done, Alex. I am now inspired to view more of your programming.
Homophobia on the other hand IS immoral because it's a conscious choice that hurts people.
is it a conscious choice? You could argue acting on your homophobia by discriminating against gay people is immoral because you chose to act on it, but I always thought someone just was homophobic by upbringing or other factors beyond their control etc
@@bobthellama6988 good point. I've been thinking about how religion and choice mix together, essentially I don't think you can really CHOOSE what religion you believe in. Sure you can try to pursue evidence for a certain religion in an attempt to believe, but you can't fake true belief. I can't just today decide to be actively a Christian again because I don't believe, and no matter how hard I try, I can't change that. I wonder if being homophobic is like being religious in that sense. I don't know why anyone would choose to actively try to be homophobic, but I wonder if you really can. You can try to keep an open mind and research, but if at the end of the day all the evidence you find leads you to the conclusion that homophobia is justified, then I don't think you can just choose on a dime to stop being homophobic. If that makes any sense. You can be convinced you're wrong, but that's not much of a choice.
Honestly that probably made 0 sense, but I'm gonna go with it.
Lol a homophobe is triggered and ignored everything said in this video
@@sillscrimmager2533 What this man commented doesn't conflate with what was said in the video. Both things are true.
Homophobia isn't a conscious choice. It's a set of beliefs and attitudes- an ignorant and unfortunate sort
This is, potentially, the greatest clickbait of all time. Nothing but sheer applause from me
This guy sets himself up as the authority of logic and truth... quite hubris especially coming from a 22 year old... actually younger when this video was made.
@@marshalljobe1102 He never said he was the authority of logic and truth, but he uses logic and truth to set up his arguments which is much more than I could say for some of the religious assholes in this world who claim sexuality needs to have an assigned morality
@@davidkonevky7372 I don't know... if God exists, he design the way things should be and He defines morality. From a non-believer's perspective, they don't consider morality defined by absolutes and all morality is relative. You could call them assholes just as much for those things they deem immoral, it's all based on your perspective on who's being an asshole to whom. However, those that believe they don't have the right to define morality and that only God does, are not assholes, the blame would have to be placed on God, and I'd not go there.
@@marshalljobe1102 for that god would have to exist, and we don't know that, we shouldn't skip steps. But for the sake of the argument, let's say he exists: why did he give us the unchosen burden of living and then judge us when we do it our own way, he either is an incompetent god who doesn't know to design a paradise, or an evil god who just chose to make us suffer.
@@davidkonevky7372 Assuming you can comprehend the extent of what God is or his uncomprehendable existance.
I appreciate your opinion and certainly agree. As gay man myself, my sexual orientation has been beyond my control.I didn't wake up one day and decide that this I was going to be gay. I don't understand why I'm gay but I do know that I did not consciensely to make the decision. Let's just agree to say that most people are heterosexual but some are gay through no actual fault of their own. I have never felt immoral because I'm gay. My sexual orientation has never effected anybody else in a negative way.
I'm in mental pain because of you! *sarcasm*
Nothing we do can be for certainity claimed to be absolutely consious, I'd even argue that for most people most of what they do in life is not completely consious, and it can be simply proved by asking any person questions about any of his deeds (and the related circumstances around it) which are claimed to be conscious by said person, like "why did you put it exactly here and not there? are you even sure you put it here and not there?" and the more specifics you dig out of this deed the more likely you will make the person just admit that he wasn't entirely aware of everything he did while doing the deed that is under question..
The definitive division of the mind and its activity into strict 2 categories of unconscious versus conscious is unscientific and there isn't any evidence to back it up, as far as the science of the mind goes - our mind is super complex and consist of many levels and divisions, some can be claimed to be more conscious and some are less, but the idea of an absolutely consious mind is more in the realm of Buddhism (and even there only few people in this entire franchise claimed to reach such level), and so is the idea of an absolutely UNconscious decision, even things you do in sleep are not completely unconscious, for example when you realise that you are dreaming it can be said that whatever you do in the sleep or in the dream (and sometime you can make real moves OUT of a sleeping state, especially if you're lunatic) is more conscious than sleeping while NOT realizing that this is a dream, but can it be said that it is AS CONSIOUS as something you do when you're not in sleep, that you should take the same responsiblity as if you did it awake? I doubt anyone would want to claim that, and then there is also the question which state of sleep? As sleep itself is divided into several phases, more or less consious, and moreover even the awaken state of a person is divided into various phases throughout the day, in which we are also more or less awake/consious. There is even a thing called day dreaming, how you should deal with that? "Honey I just undressed that woman in my mind, but that was day dreaming don't worry, I am not morally responsible for that more than I am during night dreaming"... Yeah sure, good luck having such "morally responsible" relationship with your wife, I am sure it will create a wonderful and "well being" of a relationship!
Bottom line - when you claim your subjective mind to fall under ABSOLUTE categories such as consious/unconscious, when it clearly SHOULDN'T, while on the other hand taking morality in a relativistic way and saying that there isn't anything absolute about it - this is the definition of being an immoral moron.
Now when it comes to homosexually or any sexuality - you can't claim that it is completely unrelated to our consious decisions!! On basis of what?? There are numerous studies that people are capable of consiously influence their sexuality! Following such logic any pedophile can say - "sorry that's not up to me, this is the sexuality of my body that I have no control over whatsoever!" Do you really want to follow that route??
Or same with incest - "Yeah I'm gonna jerk off at my sister what's the problem with that? it's my sexuality, I didn't decide that, that's at least what my father teached me..." good luck raising your kids with such understanding of sexuality. Just don't be surprised if one day you caught them having sex with each other.
Also you are a moron if you think only about your own "well being". The most "well" state of a productive and prosperous society is when each person realizing his personal duty to multiply and make kids so that the society grows. Sexuality can be consiously influenced, at least according to my own experience, I am heterosexual and never ever experienced attraction to same sex even for a slight, but one time I decided to experiment with it and see if I can squeeze out of myself some arousal towards a guy, and to my surprise I could! It was very hard though, but on the next experiment I noticed it went a little easier, so I dropped the experiment out of fear of perverting and ruining my sexuality.
@@DavidTheKing100is this supposed to be sarcastic? I couldn't tell.
What if the bottom’s sore the next day?
@@supayambaek The whole thing? no. only what comes after quoting an "immoral moron".
If you fall under this category or not depends on what you would answer to your partner if let's say you day-dream about another person in a sexual way and she/he notices and asks you "what are you thinking about?".
You basically have 3 options - you can lie to her/him - this would be immoral, especially when it comes to personal relationships with your significant other. (An argument can be made for morality of a lie when it comes to "lying to nazis about some jews that you hide in your closet " or something of this sort, but that's obviously not the case here).
Or you can admit, but either you admit while being sorry (acknowledging that it is wrong on your side), or you can admit but justify it with the mind set from this video which brings arguments like "babe, this is day dreaming just some thoughts that pop up from my subconsciousness over which I have no responsibility (according to this video), for example I also was dreaming about f**king my ex last night when you was sleeping by my side, even came in my pants from that as you may have noticed, but don't worry babe it's all subconscious sexuality which I have no control over..", now commenting this without sarcasm - such a position of an immoral moron would lead to a failed relationship, and you SHOULD feel guilty about that. OR you may find another immoral moron like you who would be ok with f**king anyone around and won't demand any sexual dedication (what you'd call "open relationship") - but this is a case of 2 completely immoral morons who may some day even by a "mistake" get an innocent child involved inbetween such a f**ed up relationship, and in no way that "mistake" (a torn up condom) would justify what the child would have to experience growing up in a house of undedicated parents, or in orphan house, or experience getting cut into pieces (in case these morons would go for abortion). I may remind you that this video arguing a "well being for yourself or another one", a baby in a womb of a woman is another one, but what even the point of trying to argue that to a bunch of nihilists who have no distinct point that makes "me" as a subject another one in relation to him/her, as we are all bunch of meat with neural structures that came out of the same monkey pussy, with no absolute defining point between that monkey and our current form..
I used to be a homophobic, till I educated myself.
Why did you change your opinion?
@@t-7255 really? It's literally in my comment
@@sgsupreme17 In what did you educated youreself? Because as far as I know, the opinion about homosexuality depends on the ideology and not only in scientic research, which will lead only to the subjective point of view of each individual.
@@t-7255 Correct, I educated myself in everything related to the human mind.
@@t-7255 Background comes from a strong fundamentalist cult, on top of cultural grooming. That should explain why the bias was created. Another point to take into consideration, some homos lack proper education, thus misbehaving. I judge people according to their actions.
Great question for every hetero person: "When did you consciously decide to be straight?"
@Ares Same, it's basically a question that destroys the idea that it's a choice
That’s a question that stems from a misunderstanding of Christianity’s position on homosexuality. Contrary to what Alex might have you believe, Christianity never says, ‘you ought to be heterosexual’, it says, ‘you ought to refrain from homosexual activity’. A homosexual desire is not a choice, but a homosexual act is a choice.
@@henry2231 Okay, but many people say it is a choice, so it's a nice counter argument to that claim
@@henry2231 To which the reply is, 'If God is infallible, why did he make homosexual people that he then orders to never have sex???'
Christianity is no different that Islam or any other screwed up 'morality' tale that is completely immoral on it's face!
Every hetero person?
I see most conversations going like this:
You: (your question)
Hetero: huh? It just was
You: So why do you assume being gay is a choice?
Hetero: huh? Me? How did we get on this?
He has a point. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with morality. Any person can be moral or immoral depending on the way they conduct themselves around others. Simple as that.
What about the case of pedofilia or necrofilia or zoofilia?
+don lll
Those are not sexual orientations... and they are immoral because they are actions that cause harm to the innocent.
But is the attraction immoral? E.g. a pedophile that never act on their attraction.
Volrath1988
The attraction is still wrong and unhealthy. It should still be dealt with even if they don’t act on it.
+Meccarox I wouldn't say the attraction itself is immoral, but it does need to be dealt with and treated if possible, since sexual attraction is an extremely strong drive that most people cannot simply refuse to act upon.
This is probably one of the most clever uses of click-bait I have ever seen on YT. I bet a lot of haters tripped over themselves to watch this one. Excellent presentation.
Never seen this channel before, and just got another video from it in my recommended, and decided to take a look first at other videos to find out who this is.
Saw this title, immediately thought “oh well, it’s another one of THOSE channels”, and was ready to leave a dislike and leave.
Thank god I’d heard the first few seconds while I was moving the mouse over to the dislike button…
He makes a fantastic point. There’s no reason why every human behaviour ought to be evaluated in moral terms, and there’s no reason why human psychology (in this case, the psychological attraction to people of the same sex) must also be evaluated in the same terms.
Why not?
@@algarridmwatch the video
watch the video@@algarridm
I’m a *homosexual™️* and I approve this message
so do I
"trademark"
I'm fucking dead
I am gay aswell 🥰🥰😊🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
@@NienNienNien happy pride month!!
I GOT THE MAAGIIIIC IN MEEEEEEE
"Sexuality has nothing to do with morality" - fixed it for you.
Well done. But the original is a valid click bait ;)
@Marta Daniela Brandão How so?
Exactly!! LOVE IS LOVE!! FUCK the nazis!!
@Marta Daniela Brandão Fuck off, lovephobe. We don't want your hate here.
@Marta Daniela Brandão Interesting notion. Do you think it is the person's desires, or their resultant actions, that are immoral in the case of such paraphilia? I'm not convinced that thoughts alone can be immoral.
Perfectly clear and well-explained. Alex is a voice of reason and progress in a media world awash with propaganda, stupidity and falsehood.
Fuck yeah, honestly I feel that social politics are emotionally heated and honestly distracts people from meaningful ethical issues
The problem is that those condemn homosexuality have a completely different opinion regarding the two criteria of morality as applied to this question. They believe (or have been told to believe) that homosexuality is a "lifestyle choice". And they believe that the presence of this phenomenon has a negative effect on society, perhaps similarly to extra-marital sex in general or gambling or drug use. It seems clear to me that while they have used scriptural references to assert this, it is really just a desire to maintain conformity in the society. (Mind you I'm not saying conformity is always bad, but, as Alex points out, if a person has no choice over the characteristic or behavior in question, it is wrong to condemn them for it.)
In the end, it's not humans who were the ones to condemn it, it never has, in the end it's God condemning it.
@@YoshiCh1ef-je6me How do you know God condemns it? How do you know there even exists a god?
@@urbangorilla33 For starters, Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Then we have the whole Sodom and Gomorrah story where they are associated with sexual immorality, which in the Genesis story, the men of Sodom want to sleep with the angels that come to Lot's door.
Since you are asking if there even exists a God, I'm kind of assuming you're an atheist, so I'm just saying, if you're a Christian, then yes, God sees it as a sin.
Not trying to spread hate, i'm just laying out what the Bible says. If you don't agree with me, that's fine
Didnt the story of sodom end with lots daughters getting him drunk and trying to get pregnant in a threesome?
Why did he make people gay then? Maybe he has gay tendencies himself?
"of course being black isn't moral" -Alex O'Connor 2017
I am amazed that part hasn't been clipped and used out of context by people are don't agree with Alex haha
Shane Sawyer
I am amazed people still compare being gay to being black.. unlike the latter we are not debating whether or not people are born black or if people choose to be black.
@@senoradivine9082 But no one chooses to be gay either so its fair to make the comparison.
Hey, Mr. Captain obvious!
Senora Divine Rachel Dolezal says hello ;-p
Just because something's being debated, doesn't make it debatable.
And if debate is the only criteria for comparison, do we need to start comparing homosexuality to flat earth?
"Morality doesn't even come into it"
Yeah, but other men do.
I- this made me laugh way too hard
Buttsex hurt when I did it and felt weird but for some reason I wanted it again ;)
Neon Lights and women
AYYYYY
Don't you mean 'cum into it' 😄
At first I thought Alex was too young, but his age wasn't his choice and he has one brilliant mind. Excellent! Thank you!
Having noticed the luring title and being, by now, familiar with your thought processes I watched the video and found exactly what I'd hoped to. Thanks.
Clever title. It gets homophobes to click to validate themselves, and gets normal people to click either to dislike, leave a negative comment, or watch in order to listen to "your anti-gay viewpoint." However, both the groups will immediately notice that you actually aren't a homophobe. Nice job, Alex.
Zoomspilo clever
Zoomspilo I actually knew exactly what he was going to say and didn't even think he could be saying it was immoral. I don't know why; maybe because of how it was worded. Why would someone say "not moral" instead of "immoral"? But yeah, I knew it without thinking about it
Swagalis Goodra Disgusting?
Disgusting, as in revolting, vile, sickening, distasteful, nasty, gross,etc.
Simple google search will give you the definition and synonyms.
jacob smith That not what I meant. I mean what is "disgusting" about gays?
I read the title and I was like "wot" then I realized it's cosmic skeptic so there's much more to it, lol.
honeslty same
Vayne Solidor or 34 people don't like clickbait
This guy is great at writing click-baity video titles.
Gia S.
Eh, I honestly don't understand the point of the video. Most people arguing against homosexuality aren't arguing why he is arguing. They aren't saying the attraction is wrong per se, but acting on it is. They're arguing same sex acts are immoral and not the orientation.
wschippr S I mean, most of them don't believe it's an orientation at all, they believe it's a choice
As soon as I read the title I understood what you meant. 👌🏼
The best clickbait ever, as a bisexual I love this video, thank you ❤
and you love him too
@@Knytz LOL
To all the snowflakes out there, (on both sides) what he saying is this: being gay has got nothing to do with being moral or immoral. Same thing goes to straight, bi and lesbian people. It’s nature. (Nor is it a choice) Yours truly, a bisexual atheist man.
:)
Cua 😉
DashingNative think Allah needs to relax and eat a bacon sandwich 😅😁😜
Lesbian was just a word coined to refer to gay women. You made it sound like they’re two different things.
JustNonSense does it matter anyway?
How can you not care if someone is gay? I care a lot!
Because I want to know if they would like me...
That's the only reason I want to know if a cute dude is gay
this is somehow one of the most adorable things ive seen today
Maximellow except people can like you (or each other) without getting sexual about it... :-B
fynes leigh bro what do you mean?
That’s subjective. So of course you care! Go get em, tiger!
Love your explanation of pretty much anything 👏 keep up the great work Sir 👍
You could be one hell of a lawyer
@fynes leigh it? Fucking clown
@@SurrealExposure12 lmaooo get em Vamsi! 😂
@@SurrealExposure12 period go TF off💅😂
@fynes leigh that's rich coming from someone that can't even identify a person's gender
@fynes leigh I apologise for the content of my reply having nothing to do with your original message, but...
It is unnecessary to have such large spacing.
If you're trying to make a point, insulting someone's intelligence won't convince. If you are held up about grammar, perhaps split up your sentences. For clarity, after never mind there could be a full stop or punctuation like a colon to point to a new statement.
Well, there you have it. You can't judge someone for being LGBT+ because it doesn't fall into the moral sphere.
Please tell me you're joking
Edit: Sorry, I misread it. I thought they said, "You cannot judge someone who is LGBT" when it said "You can't judge someone for being LGBT". I am sorry for this mistake. Maybe I need better glasses
Also, who the fuck liked my original comment?!
@@nkyfong why would they be joking? They're right...
@@nkyfong Unless you're a religous lunatic it has nothing to do with morality.
@@nkyfong I don't see how physical/romantic attraction to a specific sex has anything to do with morality unless you follow bizarre religious beliefs.
@@demon_hawkeye5269 Well you can very easily judge someone just because you want to. Nothing to do with whether it is a moral question or not. I don't like when people pronounce "TH" as "T" unless they are Jamaican. That's not a moral dilemma.
Not saying you should hate people because of who they like though (with some exception)
Even after the disclaimer I fell for your clickbait, and I agree 100%
This is great, thanks!
I almost didn’t watch this video because of the title, then I had to remind myself that it’s good to listen to people you disagree with. The thing is, you tricked me and I actually agree with you on all of your points. Damn you!
He is an atheist, so he is much much less likely to be a moron.
@@lmccahill45 Not really
@@AnnoyingAllie3 I think the point is, that he is an agnostic atheist. So he knows how to doubt, which is a nice indication for thinking clearly.
@@fridolindumpfelhober1841 I love your name..
And that makes a lot of sense, but some atheist doubt the wrong things..
@@AnnoyingAllie3 What things are wrong to doubt?
Sorry if I scared you (I didn't lie though, so it's not clickbait). Also sorry about some focus issues in this video. I wish the best of luck to all of those planning to get married after the rest of the Western world welcomes Australia into the Twenty-First Century.
CosmicSkeptic
But isn't a misleading tile still clickbait? Clickbait isn't the same as lies, it is usually a misleading truth.
func IsClickbait(bool: isNotALie) {
if isNotALie {
return true
} else {
return false
}
}
I agree with you Alex, but someone I know makes the claim that Homosexual acts (not being homosexual per se, ex: deciding to have sex) is immoral for various reasons. How should I show him that Homosexual acts are not inmoral?
The well-being aspect is not relevant at all. The issue at hand is their is no cause of action. Secondly, marriage or contracts is not a privilege but a right that exists a priori as generally recognized by law in common law countries.
Diego Linares ... ask that person if he or she would forgo consentual and loving sex with the person they found attractive. Ask on what grounds would you expect any sane individual to do so.
For anyone still confused:
NOT MORAL = Not subject to moral judgement; outside of the sphere of actions that could be deemed either 'moral' or 'immoral'
IMMORAL = Something deemed bad/harmful/'wrong' according to one's moral code or intuition
^ Alex is (obviously) not saying that homosexuality is immoral
Brilliant lad, philosopher and great speaker. Succinctly presenting his fundamental thesis in a masterful delivery!!
Alex has a brilliant mind. 🧠
And yet he can't differentiate a behavior, homosexuality, from a being, being black just because in English we use the verb "being"' for both (being homosexual, being black).
Very dimwitted of him and if he claims to be intelligent then this tarnishes his image even more, that means that he willingly made that mistake, he willingly says things that are wrong and since he doesn't even believe in the will, that explains everything doesn't it? A brilliant mind corrupted.
They had us in the first half, I'm not gonna lie.
HAHA. Wait, why is nobody laughing? It's a fucking reddit meme!
@@wpprodpyc9266 stfu
@Chris Whitty they can be used for anyone
indeed by almighty lord who raised heavens and spread earth he is brave lad preaching fpr athiesm and talking non sense is all ok till he trash our apostle muhammed indeed i have all glad tidings to you
your blood is spilled
@Chris Whitty dont criticize if you cant take someone criticising you back
Another note - it is immoral to outlaw marriage equality etc, since it’s a conscious action that affects the wellbeing of lots of people.
ooo tea
🔥🔥🔥
Actions such as denying someone a job would damage their well-being but we would not consider it immoral. Not all actions that affect well being are immoral, but denying people a right that other people have is evil just because a book told you too.
@@DomainAspect Yep, I'm a neutral in this whole situation. Although in my faith it is forbidden to have S-intercouse with the same gender (basically the same way as we see pre-marital S-intercourse), I still support the rights of those who have different beliefs.
Basically, i see gay marriage like the consumption of pork. In Islam we can't eat pork but that doesn't mean I support the outlaw of Pork consumption.
@@DomainAspect Also, your name is hilarious
Kudos on the catchy title. You reeled me in. Cogently argued. Well done, sir.
I'm gay, and I'd still watch your entire video before judging. I don't think that ignoring someone's view is right even if the person's view might discourage me.
To others, coming out as lgbt might sound like a sudden choice, but really it's more of a realisation that u either can't hide it anymore or are certain u aren't straight, probably both.
For me, if I hid it another day I'd be dead at 13.
The closet is not owned by the gay person, it's the homophobe's jail. They own the closet, for they make it dangerous to be outside of it. It's a herding device preceding the closet.
To westerners it just because it popular nothings else. Don’t underestimate the ability of a westerners to want to be The Center of attention. When this phase past they I’ll come up with something else
@@nathanolson3135 What you're really saying is that I and my country are quite religious and this gay thing is icky. I don't like it.
Whereas, science is done all over the world, based in only the factual and the endeavour to realise it in an accurate theory. Science is not regional, but what it achieves in all things can only be done in a society where religion is shoved into the ground enough. When people's belief fades and knowledge becomes known and not believed.
Science knows enough that homosexuality is normal. A normal outcome for those who are and that's from birth. Statistical analysis shows this as does genetic studies thus far. The fact that these things have been shown to be set, is not a 'Western' thing, just that in the west, religion and belief have much less of an influence that blinds all of whom are into belief or in a combination of crazed dictatorship, over logic and investigation.
There still are plenty of people here in these postings who are homophobic and from the west.
@@Mcfreddo you’re delusional in thinking The LGBTQ movement in the west has anything to do with science. If anything science is the one thing they run away from as far as possible. Also don’t confuse what comes Naturally to Normality, what “Normal “ is a subjective term , Society decide what normal, history proves that . Any practice have to stand against the test of benefiting the wider society or not in order to be considered part of Normalcy . read your own history this isn’t the first time normalisations of homosexuality in the west has been in full swing , but it always seem with every cultural reset in west it ended up being banned, why is that ? Are you going to say due to ignorance, or lack of knowledge ? or maybe the Bads outweighs the goods. Just look where the conversations were not even that long ago to now , where’s the science in that ? Sure , maybe it comes natural to want same sex love , well so is killing and many other things that we the Society have deem abnormal / detrimental .
Left-handedness is a good analogy.
Nobody really knows why some minority of people naturally prefer to use their left hand for complex motor movements, just as nobody really knows why some minority of people prefer sexual relations with their own gender.
To judge homosexuality as a moral issue is as absurd as judging left-handedness as a moral issue. Neither are moral issues.
Paul Gross And the church has judged both.
Yeah, its weird the number of people from my parent's generation (over 60s) who say that they remember being told that left-handedness was the sign of the devil, or something like that.
But I've never seen any official documentation on that, just anecdotes.
destroying religion one issue at a time.
The word "sinister" comes from latin "left handed" ("sin" being "left"). Additionally, here's a fun one, "sincere" comes from "sin cere" - "without wax," as late roman stone masons would put their name and "sin cere" to pledge they did not fill out mistakes in their sculpture with wax which, on hot days, would melt.
My grandmother is naturally left-handed and in school she was always forced to write with her right hand. They even hit her hand with a wooden stick if she dared to use the left hand!
The reasoning behind this was exactly what you said: using your left hand for things like writing is a sign that the devil or some demon is trying to get hold of you. So those teachers probably really believed that they were saving her from the devil's influence by forcing her to write with her right hand.
I'm left-handed too and when I broke my left arm, I had to write with my right hand for a few weeks and it was horrible. It just felt so unnatural!
I know this is just some more anecdotal evidence, but to me personally, it's real evidence, because I know my own grandmother would never lie about something like this.
She's turning 90 next year, so this happened between 1935 and 1945, in South Africa.
As a homosexual, I thought you was rlly cool and the title rlly scared me.
Great Video! keep up the good work
You will be glad to hear that Australia did vote yes for gay marriage.
Lol nice
They voted yes for sin
kunntakentay what a sadly petty religion..
@@deadby15 what religion?
kunntakentay we voted Yes to Love, God is Love, so your lot say, so we voted for God. We did that in the face of the Christian churches who were determined to sow hatred and dissension. So which side do you think was doing God’s will?
I'm Skipping this video not because I think your argument is wrong rather that it's so obviously right that I cannot sit through almost 10 minutes of what should be basic common sense.
Hear hear ol bean.
i can't tell if ur saying that based on the title or the actual video xd
How is homosexuality not a choice? Atheists are a joke ua-cam.com/video/lf8DsVNcYoA/v-deo.html
@@japexican007 are you joking?
@@Floki-D. is that a serious question?
I rather think that people who have labelled homosexuality as immoral are not going to be impressed by a logical analysis of their opinion.
Gay is a genetic dead end.
@@vladsview194And yet gay people still have biological kids. They adopt. Evolution progressed beyond every individual looking out for themselves and nobody else a long time ago.
Thank you Alex, very well presented and explained
Homophobes: “Wait a minute, I’ve been had!”
tell it to people in japan (who has demographic crisis) .. whether homosexuality brings well being for their existence as a nation ....hehehehehe
Politics is cringe go read some Aristotle.
God damn it your really going to make me defend homophobic people! The problem is that although you don't choose you taste in music you do choose what music you actively listen too in other word you conscious choice is not being homosexual but partaking in homosexual acts/relationships. Furthermore even though homosexuality of an individual does not effect me in anyway it does effect the well being the two or more people that are involved in the homosexual act. An act doesn't have to effect ones own we being to be immoral for example Rape is definitely immoral but someone getting raped in another country thousands of miles away does not effect me so it shouldn't matter that homosexuality does not effect me specifically. I'm only saying this because I believe there is a flaw in you logic not because I care who people are sexually attracted too.
@@morrobarry so what do these homosexual people do ? NOT partake in sexual activities or enter a relationship ? that makes zero sense bro .
@@number5582 the action is conscious and it is partaking in homosexual acts...I'm not suggesting that it's wrong or something I'm just saying that it is a conscious act. Although i see the distinction between a sexual preference that is not a conscious decision and then having a gay marriage is a choice for example
I've seen once two women in a Bus, one was sitting on other's lap, clearly homosexual, and they were just shining with happiness from being together, a true love, it was just pleasant to watch them.
So I would say more; it is Immoral and childish to judge people by their sexual orientation.
Would you be as comfortable if it was two men instead?
@@TriggeredJelly yes, if they weren't doing nothing inappropriate for a public place which they didn't then what's the problem? Tell me what would you find more disturbing two men displaying true love, doing nothing inappropriate or a straight couple hating each other, being together only because of marriage and kids?
@@proximo1033 Ok. I wasn't trying to generalize here - just asking about your gut reaction to the bus situation with the people's sex reversed.
Me personally, I'd feel uneasy if it were two men. Because I wouldn't want to be in a relationship like theirs, and so would feel uncomfortable empathizing with either of them.
@@TriggeredJelly No one is asking for either your permission or your blessing. We're asking you to shut up.
@@MrKit9 It was a civil discussion until you came here. Shut up yourself, honey.
A less misleading statement would be 'homosexuality is not morally relevant'. This is an accurate claim.
well I dont judge homosexual people morally. I just judge them in general.
You seem fun.
Clickbait used right!!!
@@granitxhaka6148 I know you're having a bad day. But venting it out on strangers in UA-cam won't help. Therapy is a better option. :)
@@granitxhaka6148 Projecting much?
@@granitxhaka6148 What does this mean I need to know
@@granitxhaka6148Unlike you, spewing shit out of that dirty mouth.
@@granitxhaka6148 a much better place to shit would be on your head
It has exhausted me to constantly defend my right to exist. It feels it has consumed all my energy. No gay person I known ever have chosen it. Still straight people that know nothing on the subject are adamant stating "it is a choice". How arrogant. People are being bullied, shunned, imprisoned and executed for being gay. How would that be a choice?
In my view, neither of the absolute statements "it's a choice" or "it's not a choice" are true, but rather it depends on the specific case and the individual(s) involved.
Even if it were a choice, so what? Anyone should be free to choose and live their life as they see fit.
Even if homosexuality was a choice, that isn’t an excuse to condemn it. I chose to watch this video. Is that an excuse to condemn me for watching the video? No. Just because something is chosen doesn’t make it wrong. That logic is just... illogical lol.
@Norbert Kas and it is such a wierd comparison. Sex, love, companionship between consenting adults is their matter and does not affect anyone else. Murder sort of does affect a non consenting adult in a very big way.
@@jacobscrackers98 no it is not a choice.
Good idea, and equally good discussion about it. I've copied it for for the talking points.
Thanks for posting! (Wow, I really love this up and coming generation!.)
Great statement. Just like my problem with people saying they 'accept' a gay person. As if gays are doing something wrong and only out of the goodness of the one who is accepting, they are allowed to be who they are. Sickening!
I usually just ask if penguin are immoral. Usually I'm told no or given a weird look. Then I tell them that there have been homosexual penguins. They take in the orphaned and abandoned children most times. Which saves them from having to fend on their own. Quite often the person gets mad or stops talking to me.
This is genius. Can I steal that?
omg cute gay penguins yaaaaassssss
Penguins are obviously cuter than you are if you think they are gay looking. I don't mean your physical looks but inside, you are hideous. Change it before it's too late.
OK I'm not gonna argue with you because I could care less if someone is LGBT, it's their character that matters. But you're using what's known as the nature fallacy. Just because you see it in nature, you cannot use it as a form of evidence for your argument. For example, I can't justify cannibalism just because guinea pigs eat their own offspring lmao.
Well, is it considered a nature fallacy if it contributes to the survival and well-being of the species as a whole? Even if it is indeed a nature fallacy ( I prefer the term, deviant), again, if it means something good for the species, why not?
I came expecting an anti gay rant, but was pleasantly surprised. You made some excellent points.
SpaceCat Scribbles Points that make no sense.
@@kingnevermore25 statements
I was like " this has to be clickbait. No way UA-cam would allow this pop up in MY recommendations. "
yea, like 90% of what goes on on youtube. everything is turning rainbow colored and politically correct gay loving...lol
And just as soon as I find my need to reconnect to God, I’m brought back down to earth to realize why I stopped following God in the first place. Love is love and I don’t give a FUCK who says other wise.
Now let's enter the fun zone in the newest comments
Ohh it’s not pretty, lots of homophobes that got their egos hurt by logically validating that gays are cool
I agree with you, but I don’t think Christians are saying that just being gay is a sin, but that engaging in homosexual sex is. Whether you agree with that or not, that’s just my interpretation
No, Christians have said that being gay is sin because they believe it. Rather it's two men kissing or just holding hands. It's all the same to them and the thing that really gets me hot is why is the acts of sex considered a sin at all? You can have sex for pleasure and you can have sex to reproduce. Either or, is not a contradiction to each other. Plus king James was a whole gay man and helped pushed Christianity in the mainstream.
@@jeremiahborders2959 do you really know for sure or are you going by stereotypical information? Maybe talk to or listen to different perspectives on a complex religion before you say you know exactly their philosophies
@@calundoconteal6851 😐....we have, like we have...like like we have, we have been having these conversations for centuries since they changed the Bible and "added" that homosexuality was abomination to God when that Is not even in the original Bible. You still have people blaming homosexuality as the root cause for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, forgetten that God was more upset at people trying to rape his angles and a man daughter then anything that had to do with homosexuality because homosexuality has always been here in the world. Also people creating towers to reach the heavens but of course people like to skip that part of the story. Anyway, back to the point, we have and people have told us exactly what they mean by saying being gay is a sin when in reality it's not.
King James was a gay man and gay people have always been here since the land before time, hell before even Jesus came along. Lastly, read again you own comment again. The engaging of "homosexuality sex is a sin"??? Why gay sex be a sin is when straight sex isn't? Could it stem from the "added" Bible verse of homosexuality being an abomination to God?
@@jeremiahborders2959
"thing that really gets me hot is why is the acts of sex considered a sin at all?"
so i'm going to assume you're not religious. let me know if that's wrong. the word sin is a religious term. so why are you mad about it if it doesn't even pertain to you?
@@joegame4576 1. I am religious and 2. I know the word sin is religious and I am also a flaming faggot, so this conversation is directly pertaining to me. 3. So, are you gonna answer why are the acts of sex considered sinful beloved? I'll wait.
Some people thought this was pro-gay, some anti-gay.
Meanwhile I'm over here thinking this shit was a meme.
You scared my little gay heart so much-
Vayne Solidor
Could you please calm down?
That Cup Of Dirt he's playing around
you are a funny girl, will you marry me?
Same
Berserker Nobody cares about your opinion.
I recently held a presentation on another topic, using the same criteria and table as you did in this video. Later I got the slight critique that this moral system is purely teleological, without considering or invalidating Deontology. Any ideas about that?
Beautifully explained! QED.
I came back to watch some of Alex's old videos and I was wondering how many of the dislikes are from homophobes who watched it assuming he was going to be homophobic and were disappointed, and how many are from people who didn't watch it and disliked it because they thought is was homophobic.
I am an ex christian,yes its true most religious people are homophobes
Ha ha “schrodinger’s homophobia” moment
Explain what is a homophobe?
@@marshalljobe1102 someone who blatantly holds antagonistic feelings towards gay people. Always irrational, never justified
@@makotoyuki345 what if someone believes it is a perversion... that it's sick even to think about a man putting his into another man's ? Is that 'antagonistic'? Are there things you think are perverse? that you don't like?, that you think are wrong or twisted?
e.g. How do you feel about pedophiles? are they twisted and sick minded to you?
"If it's a choice, try to be gay for a week." Who said that? Oh wait, it was you, brilliant!
Well that's exactly what Bruce Jenner did
@@kunntakentay Now she's straight!
@ADAMK Anderson you aren't supposed to pretend. You're supposed to be. Consciously choose to be gay for a while, not act gay.
@ADAMK Anderson try to fall in love with a guy
@ADAMK Anderson There is a difference between telling everyone you are gay when you are not and consciously choosing to become gay. During the time you pretended to be "gay", did you genuinely develop a crush on another man? Or simply started finding men attractive in a sense that you were attracted to the idea of being in a relationship with man? Most likely not because you are straight so you are only attracted to women.
Thank you for this clarification. Good title! Definitely caught my attention.
Interestingly, this is the logical basis of the saying "hate the sin not the sinner" that many Christians use to discuss the topic. Truly it doesn't really matter if someone is gay or if they have homosexual tendencies or whatnot, because as Alex said, homosexuality is not a moral question. What *is* subject to morality is a conscious decision that affects well-being, in this case being the acting upon homosexual tendencies (aka the sin, from the Christian perspective.) It is believed that sin causes harm (negative effect) to the well-being of the soul and sin itself is only considered sin when it arises from a conscious decision, thus "hate the sin not the sinner" falls in line with this video.
Yes, it is.
Late, but this entire "hate the sin not the sinner" rationalisation is just ridiculous. It simultaneously attempts to believe that a homosexual individual is valid while flat-out denying them seeking love or intimacy from same-sex partners. Following this roundabout belief, gay people are meant to just live their lives without ever romantically loving someone or else they'll be damned. Whether they choose to 'sin' or not they're forced to live a painful, lonely existence.
Pls stop with the exaggeration. Just admit that majority hate the sin "AND" the Sinner. All u need to do is interview Christians and u shall find the answer.
@@Latte23749 I don't know what area you live in or what media you consume, but I believe you are being fooled by the loud minority rather than the silent (often too silent tbh) majority of Christians. True Christians, by the objective standards of what it is to be a Christian (i.e. believing that Jesus is God, to love one another, etc.) would/should never hate any person.
So please reconsider your own exaggeration/generalization of Christians, and take your own advice of interviewing Christians around the world and you shall find the answer.
@@r.a.l.2004 I live in Asia where only 1 country has legalized homosexuality. In 99% of it being gay is illegal. To say that majority of Christians are "loving" is a huge misconception. From ostracizing to public punishment, jail, and even influencing the law, Christians and their religious orgainzations leave no stone unturned.
It is pointless talking about "true christians" since most of them aren't.
They believe in the religion but don't practice it. Pray but don't act and this isn't limited to just homosexuality.
Alot of Christians will keep forcing their ideals to convince u to become straight. Most Christians will "think" religiously rather than logically and I have interviewed them myself.
However I will acknowledge that GenZ Christians more accepting. The fact that religions have the power to control the law is definitely weird and scary.
#context
#AnaLisGAY
David Whitfield yep
#howshallowcanadiscussionget
#hscadg
#sd
Is that a cardboard UA-cam play button behind you? Haha love it
I know this is a year old comment, but I think it's wood.
@@EiferBrennan i know this is a month old comment, but i think it's birch hardwood.
I think its wood.
@@andysingh2730 *cork
@@andysingh2730 I know this comment is a month old, but I think it's cork
I actually agree with this. Just because something is disgusting, doesn't make it NECESSARILY immoral by nature.
Of course it is immoral, would you put your pecker into a sewer? Wtf!? lol.
I'm not that smart. All I know is I'm a gay cisgender male and I in no way chose to be. I'm highly appreciative of this video. Secondly all I know is your voice in your brain make me melt. I don't presume anyone sexuality but with your intelligence and that cute as hell face you can get it from any person of your liking my good man. I took one introductory philosophy class meet one of my Humanities credits and that hurt my head enough LOL. But I could listen to you for hours. Somehow you make philosophy much more digestible and less esoteric than my professor did as much as I enjoyed her personally
Are you talking and thinking through your "d" and not your brain! it seems like every guy does this! although there are guys out there who are capable and do think via their God-given brains! I am not sure how that works! 🤷♀well depending on what orientation you belong to that is!
saw the title: was reluctant to watch the video
watched the video: fully agree
@fynes leigh what?
@fynes leigh heterosexuals are immoral.
fynes leigh Not like straights are not perverts. Most cases of child sexual abuse is straight people,straight people sexual abuse animals too a lot. Straight males. Lots of perversions come from straights you bitch
@fynes leigh "anti-natural perversions" yet here they exist in a world your God created. Failure by God as a creator? Or maybe just love is love? I'll let you decide 😊
Vamsi G well said👏👏
That's a good title, because ignorant prejudicial people will definetly click, and hopefully have their minds changed
SingStreet You say that thinking that ignorant people wouldn't click off the second he said "is not anti homosexuality"
HELENO HENZO
What is your problem?
+HELENO HENZO
You truly are a walking punchline, aren't you?
HELENO HENZO
My dad so happened to be straight. Nothing can change that. And also, you need to study the bible better
"You want people to accept perversion" No, we want to live without fear and with the same human rights at the rest of the population. Its not that hard.
Less people like you in the world is also a good thing to happen, but thats more difficult.
I would go further. What is moral and immoral is just a bunch of written or unwritten agreements between humans about what is nice and not nice to do. These agreements have always been changing through space and time, there is no absolute morality at all.
An excellent and much appreciated discourse.
I clicked on this video ready fight someone but instead it's given me a good argument for why Bucky can't be held accountable for the Winter Soldier stuff
I feel like the only one who ever actually held him accountable was Tony, and that was purely because he couldn't get past his own mental anguish to see the simple truth.
Imagine if people who disagree with you treated you the same way you treat them? Always ready to fight someone? Can't we just stop fighting?
Gert Bruwer, yes; give peace a chance. By the way, that was so smart, I hope you don’t mind that I’m going to use it.
@@rageoftyrael Oh. Who would have thought that seeing a video of somebody, who is standing next to you, murdering your parents while at the same time your friend knew about it and didnt tell you would make somebody flip out. Yes, everyone would behave rationally.
Actually this saying goes back long before the cosmic skeptic was even a gleam in his fathers eye. In fact I was telling people this 30 years ago and I have no idea where I got it.
People who believe it is immoral DO believe it is a choice. The best response to them is "why would anyone choose that?". If being homosexual leads to lower (institutional) social status, an inability to procreate and causes stress on a daily basis... why would you *choose* this? The answer is you wouldn't. Simply as you didn't *choose* to be born to a poor family or be born with 10 fingers and 10 toes. Sexual orientation is not black/white, but rather a scale/gradient and we all find ourselves along this scale. For all intents and purposes, it was a blind throw of a dart and we live with where it lands...for better or worse.
PerfectPencil exactly.
They do appear to have a major cognitive problem with seeing anyone else's form of preferable choice.
Ari Onassis-Sugen, you're oversimplifying the complexity of existence. None of the things you've listed as even partially equivalent and it is debatable "why" a person would do any of them. If you take the time to analyze why a person would do each, then you can decide if they are doing so of sound mind or if by some kind of mental illness. I suspect though you haven't thought through any of this and are just passing through with a silly thought never to return. With that in mind I just want others to realize that life is not simple. You cannot give simple prescriptions for complex problems.
Well considering you haven't at the very least mastered the usage of a period, I would say the complexities of life have definitely flown over your head.
Now.....you're........just...................trolling...
I'd 100% get baited by the title if I hadn't known your channel already
So basically, me being gay is not immoral but the conservative politician taking away my basic human rights is immoral.
We are all equal, that means that if you cannot have your homosexual orgy in a sauna that means that I can't either, therefore we have equal rights because we are equally as incompatible with the same sex sexually :^)
That is a high quality table
"Don't judge people by the color of their skin or by the shape of their ears"
Talkin' as if elves were real :D
but they are
They're NOT??????
Danny some people have free lobe ears while others have attached.
As someone with big pointy ears, I can tell you that the discrimination is real.
Danny does he not look like a Vulcan to you!?
You got me in the first half second ngl
ive been subbed and when i saw the title i had a mini heart attack im so happy this isnt what i thought it was
I am a gay volcano
I shall say that you the gay volcano are immoral for “erupting” ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@@jayjones5234 you beat me to it!
Well maybe I'll be tracer
@@Raquel-ic9tx. Don't. Please.
@@wonderingaround945 n o
I know you'll never ever see this. I know this video is three years old. However I wanted to thank you anyway. Three years ago I hated myself for the gender dysphoria I was experiencing on a daily basis. I was seriously suicidal. I had this belief that what I was feeling was morally wrong. This way of analyzing morality helped me so much. It only took a couple days to realize that what I was feeling was perfectly ok. Since then I have come out as transgender to most of the people in my life. I may still have limited options due to living in Alabama but I now have love and support and the assurance that I am valid. Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart. I genuinely think this video saved my life.
Sorry if this seems rude but may I ask how does the sensation of a specific gender feel? If you are transgender than you would supposedly of felt both genders as a sensation, also what is a gender?
@@voxsvoxs4261
I thought you should know this no matter how long ago you asked.
The feeling of beeing wrong in your own body. You just cant stand your male (for transfemales) appearances as part of yours. It may cause fear, panic or horror. Sometimes its just the dislink i mentioned.
A person can also learn to only concentrate on the task (like genital care/cleaning) without noticing the fear inducing part their working on (it becomes a very strong unconscious trait so you dont always have to experience Dysphoria).
The term "Gender" applies to the "sex" of your mind in contrast to "sex" that either is meaning as Biological sex (Thats including genetic sex, hormonal sex, physiological/anatomical sex and maybe more) or just the assigned sex/gender at birth.
I hope this helps a bit
@@celinematerzok6421 perhaps this a misinterpretation, if gender is the sex of a mind doesn't that mean that minds directly reproduce independent of the physical body? I don't think this what you mean so could you describe it more particularly.
thankyou for responding, even in late consideration
@@voxsvoxs4261 I'll just skip the part that tries to explain that your mind can develop in a different direction than (for example) your pre determined Anxiety.
Did you know that the female brain has around 19 billion neurons and the male brain around 21?
This is most if the time Not true for transgender where transfem (born male) have the female number and for transmasc (born female) its around the male count.
What i want to tell you with that is, that a Transgender actually has a brain similiar to the opposite AGAB.
I cant tell you whether thats genetic or not.
But i know Sex isnt just Male and Female. A girl (AFAB) can have male gonads (Testicles) and someone with XY (male chromosome pair) becomes completely female.
Maybe its the same with the brain. That there is some influence that it doesnt develop to the same sex as the body will.
@@celinematerzok6421 I see, using sex was abit confusing then as it is a description of the reproductive function of a thing, what I think you're trying to describe is: There is a brain type which each sex normally develops, a transgender person develops the brain opposite to their sex (or at least significantly similar).
Great argument. Good stuff
7:08 if we can't say that something is moral (immoral), it does not mean that we can't say that it's good (bad). Say, if I unconsciously broke my own finger, we can't say if it was moral or immoral, but we can certainly say that it was bad.
The point still reamains, you can't blame/judge someone for something they dont have control of and that does not harm anyone.
Bad meaning unfortunate or regretful with no moral connotations, certainly. Not really sure what your point is though as the only downsides to individual being homosexual are the bigoted views of others.
My trick question in such a discussion is "when did you decide to like the opposite sex?".
When i decided two arms were better than one.
@@keithdon3313 and when was that in terms of time
@@nicholaslumbuyekasasa3718 explain
@@nicholaslumbuyekasasa3718 amazing trick question lol.
That question is very easy to answer. Probably when I understood the concept of sexuality and I realized that being gay would subject me to a lot of prejudice.
I'm gay and when I saw the title I thought: Ugh here it is again... But I clicked because I didn't mind listening to what this guy had to say, and it quickly took a turn I never would've expected. This literally gave me renewed faith. Thank you. Subscribing to you now. Also, I love your delivery and your accent! And you have a face that I think is a cross between Dane DeHaan and Freddie Highmore, so that's really interesting!
Theme Fresh
Renewed faith in my sexuality. I feel more secure.
okay me too and now i can’t unsee the face comparison you’ve given fhhfbdbn
Just going to warn you that if you're religious in any way you're really not going to like the rest of his content lol. Just as a heads up.
Natasha Jayne I doubt any gay person is religious at all ...
Thank you for actually watching the video once you clicked on it.
Oh that's good, pointing out that homosexuality has nothing to do with morality
This is helpful. Morality is knowing the difference between right and wrong; or, you might say, expressing an opinion about what is right and wrong. Ethics is the strategy you employ to decide what is right and wrong.
So this is what a neutral aligned person looks like xD
True neutral.
This has managed to be one of the few videos made on this topic that has aged well. Well spoken and hopefully more people will be capable of thinking this rationally in the future
I think it is a good video, however it misses an important point. While your sexual desire is outside of conscious control, sexual activity is not. I'm not saying two men having sex is immoral, but it does fall within the moral sphere, as it is a conscious decision affecting well-being. Homosexuality as a sexual orientation is in the amoral sphere; homosexuality as an action is in the moral sphere. You can make a comparison to pedophilia. Attraction to minors is not a conscious decision. Acting on that attraction definitely is and deserves to be punished severely, as I'm sure we all agree. Same with homosexuality, except for the punishment part of course. All I'm saying is that the argument presented in the video is lacking, as the action itself is conscious.
@@timangar9771 it's conscious but doesn't negatively affect the individuals involved - so it isn't immoral in any way?
@@hargeauxthat isn't what the person said. They said it's in the moral sphere as it's a conscious decision and affects wellbeing. Only in this case it's actually good for the wellbeing, which would make it moral I think.
This is so well put together, very well worded.
People have this backwards. Morality doesn't exist because of our effort toward an idealized state of collective well-being, the idealized state of collective well-being arises out of morality.