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  • @AdamSomething
    @AdamSomething 10 місяців тому +1632

    Man, I can relate to this. When people start DMing me about a video "debunking" me, and then I look it up, and it's some teenager's misinformed psychotic episode. One of them went the extra mile, and actually made a wojak of me, and plastered it on the thumbnail and all over the video. He found the wrong person however, and accidentally turned a guy called Adam from SomeThingElseyt into a wojak, thinking that was me. Shortly after he had a mental breakdown and deleted his circa 50K sub channel. Fun times.

    • @iron666221666221
      @iron666221666221 10 місяців тому +88

      lmao

    • @pommedeter7407
      @pommedeter7407 10 місяців тому +146

      Yeah if I messed up that bad I’d have a breakdown as well. Hope they feel better and stop being deranged someday

    • @angelantayhua3096
      @angelantayhua3096 10 місяців тому +11

      What did you think about BadEmpanada’s video?

    • @exoZelia
      @exoZelia 10 місяців тому +28

      Hilarious at every turn

    • @robo8478
      @robo8478 10 місяців тому +23

      While you have had some good and bad takes, I'm definitely in agreement that hit pieces are generally bad faith and dishonest and are used as a political weapon a majority of the time.

  • @BigOwl51
    @BigOwl51 10 місяців тому +1903

    The biggest surprise of the video is that this libertarian didn’t at any point attack age of consent laws. Technically this automatically makes him better than 99.9% of other libertarians

    • @BigOwl51
      @BigOwl51 10 місяців тому

      @@TurtleChad1 Young Gunna Wunna back, callin' me splurge
      Watch me jump right off the curb (eeeyah)
      Bentley Spur fly like a bird
      Spin on the first and the third (eeeyah)
      Solid, I'm keepin' my word
      Can't be my equal, I don't know what you heard (eeeyah)
      Crank up the foreign, I swerve
      Keep me a stick if they purge (eeeyah)
      Ha, ha (eeeyah)
      Ha, ha (eeeyah)
      Ha, ha (eeeyah)
      Ha, ha (eeeyah)
      Fuck you mean?
      Young Gunna Wunna, they workin' my nerves (eeeyah)
      I'm about to pour up some syrup (eeeyah)
      Fucking this bitch like a perv' (eeeyah)
      Smack from the back, grab her perm (eeeyah)
      Ice, the burr, uh, shittin' on all you lil' turds
      Can't take that dick, wait your turn
      In my own lane, we can't merge (eeeyah)
      Suck with no hands, you can learn (eeeyah)
      Let's see how much you can earn (eeeyah)
      Watch mе go big like the Worm (eeeyah)
      And I ain't smokin' no sherm (eeeyah)
      I'm in this bitch with P Litty
      QP, QP-ski
      All of my bitches is pretty, they showin' they titties, it's up to the ceilin' (eeeyah)
      I let her run through a million, I rock with her really, let's fuck on a billion (eeeyah)
      I'ma get down to the gritty then fuck up the city, the home of the villains (eeeyah)
      Ecstasy, wonderful feelin' (eeeyah)
      Smoke out the pound when I'm chillin' (eeeyah)
      Trappin', I made me a killin' (eeeyah)
      Look, I got everybody wishin' (eeeyah)
      I hope you play your position (eeeyah)
      I don't want nobody listenin' (eeeyah)
      I see the hoe with precision (eeeyah)
      Get rich my only decision (eeeyah)
      Fuck you mean?
      Young Gunna Wunna back, callin' me splurge
      Watch me jump right off the curb (eeeyah)
      Bentley Spur fly like a bird
      Spin on the first and the third (eeeyah)
      Solid, I'm keepin' my word
      Can't be my equal, I don't know what you heard (eeeyah)
      Crank up the foreign, I swerve
      Keep me a stick if they purge
      Eeeyah, eeeyah
      Eeeyah, eeeyah
      Eeeyah (fuck you mean?)
      Eeeyah
      Eeeyah, eeeyah
      (Fuck you mean?) Yeah
      Yeah (eeeyah)

    • @aspacelex
      @aspacelex 10 місяців тому +458

      ​@@TurtleChad1I realize it's hard to believe but it's true, in this video he doesn't attack age of consent.

    • @fjbz3737
      @fjbz3737 10 місяців тому +33

      Damn those librarians

    • @billclockwell
      @billclockwell 10 місяців тому +163

      ​​@@TurtleChad1so he than at some point _did_ attack age of conset laws? I knew I should never have trusted big owl

    • @yaboye3791
      @yaboye3791 10 місяців тому +45

      ​@@TurtleChad1Can you read?

  • @hichaelhighers
    @hichaelhighers 10 місяців тому +788

    The fact that he thinks it's unethical behavior to steal a loaf of bread when you're starving tells you everything about his worldview and the society he wants to construct.

    • @SorbusAucubaria
      @SorbusAucubaria 10 місяців тому +23

      Well technically it is unethical to steal, but it is understandable behavior. The ethical behaviour would be to ask for the bread in exchange for something else. For all you know, that person you stole from needed the bread more than you did. If both are starving and you had bread only for one person, the ethical dilemma would be who dies and who gets the bread. Edit: to maximize positive liberty the two starving man should negotiate who gets the bread like a lottery or contest and/or a way to divide the bread. But yes, if you steal a bread from someone who has plenty, to maximize positive liberty would be to get some of that bread for yourself, if the person who has plenty is not willing to part from it, since you need more that bread. But stealing would still be a violation against the others liberty. I think maximizing positive liberty you need functioning democracy and participation. Not just voting, but city councils, neighborhood meetings and other things that increases communication and active participation in the rules negotiation process. So some kind of participation systems in all aspects of society, whether it is in government, corporations, organizations etc.

    • @yunusahmed2940
      @yunusahmed2940 10 місяців тому +21

      If something is bad it's bad, you can justify it but that doesn't make the act of taking what isn't yours "good".
      Good vs Bad isn't the same right vs wrong.
      Hurting people is bad but it might be the right thing to do in a situation.

    • @Dreigonix
      @Dreigonix 10 місяців тому +27

      Literal Javert.

    • @thewhitefalcon8539
      @thewhitefalcon8539 10 місяців тому

      Thing is our society already follows this logic. Our society murders immigrants for the crime of existing.

    • @FelisImpurrator
      @FelisImpurrator 10 місяців тому +43

      ​@@yunusahmed2940What? Is this some bizarre attempt to split the difference between deontology and utilitarianism? That makes no sense.
      No action has inherent moral value. Only the outcomes determine whether something is good or bad.

  • @wesleysmith187
    @wesleysmith187 10 місяців тому +464

    In the UK, its always heartbreaking to see doctors being forced to work for free 😞😞😞

    • @Gurfmanj
      @Gurfmanj 10 місяців тому +124

      Yeah, the rate of homeless doctors starving to death in the UK is unbelievable!

    • @YourMajesty733
      @YourMajesty733 10 місяців тому

      That's why you see an angry mob of citizens in Sweden, Canada, S Korea, who take over the streets protesting for the freedom to pay for healthcare out of pocket.
      /s

    • @Jartran72
      @Jartran72 10 місяців тому +8

      pfp fits so well here

    • @blue5had0w
      @blue5had0w 10 місяців тому +4

      ​@@Jartran72oh yeah that dang snail from the movie Turbo!

    • @HiNRGboy
      @HiNRGboy 10 місяців тому +2

      they aren't working for free.. a doctor makes good money anywhere. Doctors are something that is needed everywhere, because the RICH also need doctors, so they'll always have a good job

  • @KainMalice
    @KainMalice 10 місяців тому +568

    I love how these guys are against the government setting regulations, but a franchise sets restrictions and they will lick the boot of economos.

    • @BleedForTheWorld
      @BleedForTheWorld 10 місяців тому +88

      They're conservatives. Conservatism has layers of contradictions.

    • @zwicker5585
      @zwicker5585 10 місяців тому +27

      If you uphold the status quo you are always going to be contradicting yourself

    • @Chelaxim
      @Chelaxim 10 місяців тому +32

      ​@@BleedForTheWorldConservatives who like pot and maybe bussy.

    • @theywouldnthavetocensormei9231
      @theywouldnthavetocensormei9231 10 місяців тому

      Because companies are beholden to other companies in a free market. A company has the legal right to pay their employees dirt and have shitty working conditions, but they're not going to do it because better companies will pay more and have better working conditions, so everyone will want to work there instead of with the shitty company. It's basic economics that leftists are too retarded to understand.

    • @bobloblaw7030
      @bobloblaw7030 10 місяців тому

      @@BleedForTheWorld Conservatives purposely hijacked the libertarian movement because it was a threat so they put out tons of propaganda to convince people that conservatism was like libertarianism even though they are total opposites in many ways and now most people just look at libertarianism as a joke.......mission successful for the conservatives

  • @screamingphoenix8113
    @screamingphoenix8113 10 місяців тому +430

    "Everything is slavery, except for actual slavery, which is perfectly fine" - Every libertarian.

    • @madlyjp
      @madlyjp 10 місяців тому +1

      "Working in a prison camp for free isn't slavery" -Every commie.

    • @julesdalli9716
      @julesdalli9716 10 місяців тому +48

      "Outlawing slavery is authoritarian!"

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому

      "Being owned by an organization under the threat of death isn't slavery, but working for someone voluntarily is!" - commies

    • @benjaminnowack8433
      @benjaminnowack8433 10 місяців тому

      The slave market is a market, so it can only be good. If it wasn't good no one could profit off the market for slaves. It's so obvious when you equate ownership of property with freedom

    • @Spongebrain97
      @Spongebrain97 10 місяців тому +15

      ​@julesdalli9716 Iv literally read in the past deranged libertarians make something akin to this. Where they think that the US government shouldn't have ended slavery by force and that the south should've been allowed to be independent and "eventually" end slavery on their own. That they're more offended at the death toll the war caused over the human suffering that occured under slavery which they think should've happened longer if it meant a war could have be averted 😂

  • @PatheticApathetic
    @PatheticApathetic 10 місяців тому +534

    His line about a starving person throwing ethics away to not die is the perfect demonstration of how little Libertarians actually understand ethics

    • @jamielee7404
      @jamielee7404 10 місяців тому +36

      True. Does this guy even go outside? Like, does he walk among people, talk to people? He sounds very sad, like he has been isolated from everyone

    • @Argumemnon
      @Argumemnon 10 місяців тому +20

      Or communism. Or freedom. Or taxes...

    • @chasemartin5777
      @chasemartin5777 10 місяців тому

      Stealing is stealing regardless of reason. Cope and seethe commie

    • @julesdalli9716
      @julesdalli9716 10 місяців тому +17

      And how much they view humans as disposable lumps of skin and bone.

    • @alexisleskinen6090
      @alexisleskinen6090 10 місяців тому +3

      Not like you showed how much you understand ethics yourself

  • @Mavuika_Gyaru
    @Mavuika_Gyaru 10 місяців тому +180

    "People being forced to work to fund your livelihood is slavery" so is he against corporations?

    • @frocco7125
      @frocco7125 10 місяців тому +3

      Right libertarians always complain about "collectivism", so here's a reminder that capitalism, businesses and corporations are ALL diffrent forms of collectivism.
      Collective groups and institutions that demand you work or sacrifice yourself to support them.

    • @friendlyG771
      @friendlyG771 10 місяців тому

      That kind of critical thinking would require that this guy have more than 2 brain cells

    • @antarath517
      @antarath517 10 місяців тому +39

      But in ancapistan, they will have the option to starve rather than working
      There is no coercion if one simply starves to death!
      I have broken your comparison.

    • @wikipiiimp9420
      @wikipiiimp9420 10 місяців тому +9

      @@antarath517
      technically, you can also not be taxed if you don't have revenue/wealth in a welfare state.
      I mean, a lot of people don't get taxes, they simply are too poor for this
      And regarding VAT, again, there is no VAT if you don't buy something, so just rely on yourself or charity.
      The point that taxation is slavery is dumb when you realize that you are not forced to provide the value that is taxed either.
      You just need to, like you need to work, in order to survive, but it's true too for ancapistan x)

    • @ryanosterman2651
      @ryanosterman2651 10 місяців тому +2

      They usually are but their arguments against corporations are just weak as hell.

  • @MrFuckingKololo
    @MrFuckingKololo 10 місяців тому +244

    I love the libertarian mantra about how taxation is just the poors stealing from the businesses, when billionaires are unironically welfare queens. American corporations receive insane amount of money from the government through subsidies, bailouts and tax breaks.

    • @ryanosterman2651
      @ryanosterman2651 10 місяців тому +14

      To be fair they are usually against corporatism but their criticisms of it are just weak as hell.

    • @outercat
      @outercat 10 місяців тому +17

      @@ryanosterman2651 you're gonna summon the ancaps lmao

    • @ryanosterman2651
      @ryanosterman2651 10 місяців тому +13

      @@outercat we all know how the arguments will go so I honestly couldn’t care less lol

    • @johnfauxnom4221
      @johnfauxnom4221 10 місяців тому

      ​@@ryanosterman2651 The thing about the corporatism argument is that for most capitalists, in this case being individuals who actually own capital, don't rightly give a shit if what they're doing is "real capitalism." Government handing out free money? Cool! Regulations that weed out the competition? Perfect! We're a monopoly? Exactly what we wanted! These supposed virtues of a truly free market stand in direct opposition to the true nature of capital: Move upward. Libertarians who blog for a living think the Free Market is a big game of sportsball where all the rules are supposed to be fair. You think Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg, Gates, Buffet, or any of these successful capitalists care about playing fair? No, but that's why they're so good at capitalism. It's childish.

    • @MilesDashing
      @MilesDashing 10 місяців тому

      Capitalism is theft. In order to make a profit, a business owner has to pay his employees less than the value of his labor. The capitalist then pockets this free money, which he got simply from owning things.
      Also, money is made up. So is private property. Morally speaking, the capitalist doesn't have any right to his factory or whatever, and the only thing stopping the workers from seizing it is the coercive power of the state. So the capitalist actually owes a lot of money to his silent partner, the state, without which it would be impossible to make all of this money. It goes beyond subsidies: the state pays for police, roads, internet, education...like 80-90% of what the capitalist needs is paid for by the state.
      Libertarians take completely artificial systems and pretend they are laws of nature, so that they can ignore the massive interdependence of modern societies, as well as "justify" conditions that any sensible person would consider appalling. I guess it helps if you're incredibly stupid, like this dude appears to be.

  • @damham5689
    @damham5689 10 місяців тому +292

    "Libertarians are like house cats: absolutely convinced of their fierce independence while utterly dependent on a system they don't appreciate or understand."

    • @jacobnoelle8428
      @jacobnoelle8428 10 місяців тому +64

      At least cats are cats

    • @InfiniteDeckhand
      @InfiniteDeckhand 10 місяців тому +69

      @@jacobnoelle8428 And at least cats actually love you if you treat them right.

    • @Reallylilnig
      @Reallylilnig 10 місяців тому +42

      Cats are cute, funny and loveable. Libertarians not so much.

    • @Rac3r4Life
      @Rac3r4Life 10 місяців тому +19

      Except cats are enjoyable to be around.

    • @thegridlessheathen4627
      @thegridlessheathen4627 10 місяців тому +25

      As a former Libertarian, this is absolutely hilarious and sadly accurate. 😂

  • @PossumPunx
    @PossumPunx 10 місяців тому +346

    I CANNOT believe he thought that positive and negative liberty were mutually exclusive, like if you had the resources to be truly free, that means you MUST have rules to limit that freedom? I would expect nothing more from a libertarian

    • @wile123456
      @wile123456 10 місяців тому +35

      Pure dogma, no philosophy knowledge

    • @tomlxyz
      @tomlxyz 10 місяців тому

      This is kinda the "pure capitalism" mindset, where any intervention in favor of the common people is communism

    • @samuelmerkel2888
      @samuelmerkel2888 10 місяців тому +12

      They're rival concepts. It's not saying that YOU can only have one or the other, it's saying that together, they are a zero sum game. Positive liberty as a right requires negative liberty to be decreased for someone else. Maybe it's you, but more likely it's someone else.
      It's like double entry accounting. A debit in on account always means a credit in another account.

    • @wile123456
      @wile123456 10 місяців тому +40

      @@samuelmerkel2888 that's wrong though and a complete misunderstanding of the philosophical concept.

    • @jonasharp3
      @jonasharp3 10 місяців тому +27

      @@samuelmerkel2888who’s negative liberty am I decreasing, when I utilize my city’s public parks or libraries?

  • @trashrabbit69
    @trashrabbit69 10 місяців тому +227

    "Positive freedom grift" Ah yes I love it when philosophical concepts established for decades are actually just fronts for me to uh... purchase their books? Get taxed by an individual? Huh?

    • @juliusseizure591
      @juliusseizure591 10 місяців тому +19

      Decades?? This shit goes back to (at least) to Kant in the late 1700s.

    • @trashrabbit69
      @trashrabbit69 10 місяців тому +29

      @@juliusseizure591I'm still reeling with the fact that 2016 was 7 years ago, my perception of time is very warped.

    • @radicalfishstickstm8563
      @radicalfishstickstm8563 10 місяців тому

      Well this is actually pretty simple. For conservatives, social welfare is the “greedy poor” taking from the “working man.” It’s the undesirables trying to cheat the “capitalistic meritocracy.” Now, how does the oppressed have the political clout necessary to make the government work for them, I have no clue but that’s essentially what they believe. That’s why they consider welfare to be a grift

    • @FelisImpurrator
      @FelisImpurrator 10 місяців тому +17

      ​​@@juliusseizure591Rare Kant W, as opposed to his morality take which is "live in abject paranoia and religious totalitarianism".
      Edit: Apparently he defined freedom as the ability to perform... Duty? No wonder he ended up with a twisted anti-sex, religious ultra-conservative Arbeit Macht Frei take. Never mind.

    • @crunkers_
      @crunkers_ 10 місяців тому +14

      Just add grift at the end to make any concept sound like a conspiracy. The intersectionalism grift. The social capital grift. The round earth grift.

  • @ericpmoss
    @ericpmoss 10 місяців тому +128

    I used to work for a "libertarian" -- Mr. Pull Yourself Up was the son of a well-off diplomat, had servants, private schools around the world, and schmoozed with fabulously wealthy people, marrying into a billionaire family. He bullied me about not affording to split the bill for his $150 meal when all I could afford was a $6 bowl of soup.

    • @miskatonic_alumni
      @miskatonic_alumni 10 місяців тому

      Free market libertarians really do think that inheriting wealth is a mark of superior intelligence. No wonder they're all nitwits.

    • @lietz13
      @lietz13 10 місяців тому +28

      "You know what I make, you shouldn't have to be reminded that I can't afford that."

    • @julesdalli9716
      @julesdalli9716 10 місяців тому

      So basically another Ben Shapiro? Born wealthy, gets stuff handed to him, and then walks around thinking he lives in a meritocratic society.

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому +2

      That's not kind of him, but that's not an issue with the ideology

    • @ericpmoss
      @ericpmoss 10 місяців тому

      @@crazando It is an example of how the wealthy gaslight us with all the lingo. He sounded just like all the talking heads who mean "safety net for me, rugged individualism for thee." I have yet to meet a self-described libertarian who wasn't really a Republican who didn't want to go to jail for weed.

  • @ringer1324
    @ringer1324 10 місяців тому +187

    The haters can’t get enough of that Vaussy

    • @simonfarre4907
      @simonfarre4907 10 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, that moist Vaussy is too hard for them to abstain from.

    • @zwicker5585
      @zwicker5585 10 місяців тому +5

      @@HistorySucksVyou okay?

    • @TheBlueWizzrobe
      @TheBlueWizzrobe 10 місяців тому +9

      Vaʊssy

    • @nerag7459
      @nerag7459 10 місяців тому +8

      @@HistorySucksV I am the father of this sentence and you leave my son alone.

    • @zwicker5585
      @zwicker5585 10 місяців тому +1

      @@HistorySucksV weird homophobia but ok

  • @thesterlingone1072
    @thesterlingone1072 10 місяців тому +137

    Key moment when dude’s brain translated “base philosophical argument” to “based philosophical argument”. Tells you immediately who you’re listening to.

    • @littlemoth4956
      @littlemoth4956 10 місяців тому +62

      That's pretty much the most direct example possible of someone terminally online clashing with anyone in the real world.

    • @samuelmerkel2888
      @samuelmerkel2888 10 місяців тому +5

      Key moment when Vaush translated "positive and negative liberty" to "positive or negative libertarian". Tells you immediately who you're listening to.

    • @butHomeisNowhere___
      @butHomeisNowhere___ 10 місяців тому +4

      Lmao I heard that too 😂

    • @Alex-0597
      @Alex-0597 10 місяців тому +7

      ​@@samuelmerkel2888Sorry bro, no matter how bratty you act in the comments sections, Vaush isn't going to top you.

    • @samuelmerkel2888
      @samuelmerkel2888 10 місяців тому +2

      @@Alex-0597 I get enough satisfaction from my callouts of the hypocrisy to satisfy all topping needs

  • @IndependentObserver
    @IndependentObserver 10 місяців тому +30

    Sweden is 45% richer (per capita, after inflation) than it was when they began building their modern welfare state in early 1970's. If the welfare state is "eating the fruits of capitalism" then my man- Swedes have been gorging on it for 50+ years, and they still have more to eat, than they had when they started.

    • @frocco7125
      @frocco7125 10 місяців тому

      When you "eat the fruits of capitalism", you stop being hungry and can get more work done and generate MORE fruits.

    • @realhumanbean7915
      @realhumanbean7915 10 місяців тому +1

      When you mention that the libertarian generally just takes the mask off and starts acting like a white nationalist, talking about Muslims “invading” Sweden.
      They don’t fare well with economic mobility figures

    • @Bryndleson
      @Bryndleson 10 місяців тому +2

      If you bring that up to libertarians they'll just say it works over there cuz they white, effectively revealing the fact that they just dislike socialism cuz they don't want brown people to not be poor

    • @julesdalli9716
      @julesdalli9716 10 місяців тому +4

      The fruits of capitalism are extracted through exploitation. Nothing wrong with sharing those fruits around, and letting the working class get a few extra bites of the pie.

    • @andrewgreenwood9068
      @andrewgreenwood9068 5 місяців тому +1

      Through redistributing from the top to the bottom wealth can continue to flow through the economy enabling an eternal cycle of capitalism without devolving into fascism.

  • @jacobjohnston3983
    @jacobjohnston3983 10 місяців тому +14

    Would road laws and cars be a better example of positive and negative freedom? If you drop 1000 cars on a flat plane (a driveable surface for this analogy) with no road laws, turning lanes, or stoplights, every car would be able to drive however they want. They’d have negative freedom. However no one would be able to get anywhere. Cars would be crashing into each other and traffic pile up.
    On the other hand, let’s say you build a highway system with proper road laws, where drivers must go in one direction and follow rules when it comes to turning, changing lanes, etc. each individual driver has less freedom, but they are able to travel to their destination in a timely manner without getting into a wreck. That is positive freedom.

  • @Matthew_Murray
    @Matthew_Murray 10 місяців тому +86

    I always like the argument libertarians make that charity should replace taxes and the social safety net, because I don’t know a single libertarian that would willingly donate to a charity. Libertarian ideology is basically “I got mine and you can f*ck off”

    • @miskatonic_alumni
      @miskatonic_alumni 10 місяців тому +36

      Also, when has charity actually solved any issues, instead of just helping a tiny fraction of the people who need help?

    • @Gingerphile00
      @Gingerphile00 10 місяців тому +1

      also its the female and normie attitude towards incels.

    • @dracocrusher
      @dracocrusher 10 місяців тому +6

      Nah, we'll be fine, we just all have to collectively hope that Mr. Beast pays for all of our medical expenses every time on a systemic level across the country multiple times a month or people will die.
      No big deal.

    • @julesdalli9716
      @julesdalli9716 10 місяців тому +15

      Anyone who makes that argument is knowingly BS'ing you.
      Charity serves a great purpose, but no one ever fixed poverty by giving away the extra cans of soup sitting in their pantry. There are an insane amount of people either living in poverty, or who are homeless. Charity can't reach out to every single one of them. Hence why govt welfare is essential.

    • @serversurfer6169
      @serversurfer6169 10 місяців тому +3

      Also, those who are _most able_ to be charitable become that way by _being_ the _least_ charitable. 🤨

  • @elvingearmasterirma7241
    @elvingearmasterirma7241 10 місяців тому +147

    I know I should hate fascism more. But frankly, Libertarians hit some very specific nerves in my body that makes me enter fight or fight mode

    • @MindForgedManacle
      @MindForgedManacle 10 місяців тому +69

      No shame in that. When push comes to shove, American libertarians end up supporting fascistic policies and politicians because they like existing capitalism more than they hate the state.
      They're fascists in all but name.

    • @TasTheWatcher
      @TasTheWatcher 10 місяців тому +1

      They're just useful idiots for fascism anyway

    • @khill8645
      @khill8645 10 місяців тому +49

      Probably just a typo, but I love "fight or fight mode" as a turn of phrase when dealing with libertarians

    • @elvingearmasterirma7241
      @elvingearmasterirma7241 10 місяців тому +32

      @@khill8645 Nope not a typo

    • @elvingearmasterirma7241
      @elvingearmasterirma7241 10 місяців тому +33

      @@MindForgedManacle Not even American libs
      My own father is a libertarian in South Africa and our version also makes me want to eat a brick
      and yes he is a smug, selfish person who acts like he knows everything

  • @Sillygoosespoofse
    @Sillygoosespoofse 10 місяців тому +22

    Also FYI taxes are an example of negative freedom. The freedom FROM having to pipe in your own water, the freedom from needing to generate your own power, etc.

    • @thedissidentleftist6997
      @thedissidentleftist6997 10 місяців тому

      More like return back to Iron ages. It only works for rural settings but that is it.

    • @thedissidentleftist6997
      @thedissidentleftist6997 10 місяців тому

      That sure explains all those TV shows of living in rural areas past decade or so.

    • @Sillygoosespoofse
      @Sillygoosespoofse 10 місяців тому

      @@thedissidentleftist6997 not sure what that has to do with what i said

    • @Sillygoosespoofse
      @Sillygoosespoofse 10 місяців тому

      @@thedissidentleftist6997 or this

    • @thedissidentleftist6997
      @thedissidentleftist6997 10 місяців тому

      @@Sillygoosespoofse Well imagine trying to pipe your own water in a urban setting with all that pollution in it?

  • @bobbybooshay5388
    @bobbybooshay5388 10 місяців тому +19

    What our boy left out about Bread Regulation C-U-K 88490A Section 17 on page 465a of the Code of Screw You is it's the part where it says you can't just fill your bread with sawdust and rust. A thing plenty of unscrupulous bakers ACTUALLY did in the Industrial Revolution.

  • @deltafx9462
    @deltafx9462 2 місяці тому +7

    Vaush, stop coping. You got owned.

  • @comradeanthony4120
    @comradeanthony4120 10 місяців тому +90

    I love how his example was like the worst example ever to argue his side of things.
    There are VERY GOOD reasons to regulate how food is made

    • @moon_wizard1250
      @moon_wizard1250 10 місяців тому +26

      Yeah it's funny, he said that and I thought "so wait, what if it's a regulation saying you can't put cyanide in your bread?" And then vaush said that 10 seconds later 😂.

    • @BlisaBLisa
      @BlisaBLisa 10 місяців тому +12

      it is my god given right to eat beef with bse

    • @the-gadfly4743
      @the-gadfly4743 10 місяців тому +2

      @@moon_wizard1250
      it is funny that such a regulation doesn't exist, seeing how it would make it a crime to kill rats.

    • @Zarastro54
      @Zarastro54 10 місяців тому

      @@the-gadfly4743While true, most food regulations are reactions to ACTUAL crap capitalists tried to pull trying to save a buck with food production. One of the most famous is putting sawdust in flour/bread.

    • @julesdalli9716
      @julesdalli9716 10 місяців тому

      McDonald's should be able to serve you Big Mac's filled with rat droppings. But the authoritarian left wants to strip McDonald's of that freedom.

  • @PakBallandSami
    @PakBallandSami 10 місяців тому +103

    libertarian be like: oh well iam working in a inhuman work place environment which works me to death but at least i don't pay any taxes

    • @Treyast
      @Treyast 10 місяців тому +13

      "Whoops, my 5-minute thinking break is over! Better get back to work before the boss-man has me executed for stealing company time!"

    • @bobloblaw7030
      @bobloblaw7030 10 місяців тому +16

      "my boss never paid me and is never going to have to because of no regulations but atleast i pay no taxes on it"

    • @frocco7125
      @frocco7125 10 місяців тому

      Your boss takes way more of your money than the government.

    • @googane7755
      @googane7755 10 місяців тому +9

      They'll try to argue that the company regulations infringes on their rights or something but what they gonna do about it? There is no government since they pay no taxes lmao

    • @Zarastro54
      @Zarastro54 10 місяців тому +2

      Thing is, these people ALWAYS imagine themselves as a the brilliant entrepreneur on top, rather than the average worker on the bottom.

  • @TheJst100
    @TheJst100 10 місяців тому +123

    It took the right wing libertarian 3 and a half minutes to say something fucking insane and immature, props.

  • @SemiIocon
    @SemiIocon 10 місяців тому +44

    People seriously need to learn what interdependence is and how it interacts with freedom.

    • @FelisImpurrator
      @FelisImpurrator 10 місяців тому +20

      The myth of the "self-made" Randian hero is too essential to the capitalist delusion for that. Something something when a man's job is not to understand...

    • @julesdalli9716
      @julesdalli9716 10 місяців тому

      But it's more fun to own the left.

  • @TabbyVee
    @TabbyVee 10 місяців тому +31

    the funniest part of the video is how he plays a clip of Vaush saying "its a base philosophical arguement" which is to mean its had all variables isolated. And this dumbass misquotes him just a minute later saying "as Voosh said, its a based philosophical arguement"

    • @user-zb9lv3gh8s
      @user-zb9lv3gh8s 9 місяців тому +1

      These guys just don't know any better than the phonetic interpretation of everything they hear.

  • @lukehenderson5097
    @lukehenderson5097 10 місяців тому +17

    Hear me out... What if we created a subscription service where doctors are paid a salary based on the size of the membership, but the subscription is collected and dispersed by the government, and the membership is everyone living or working in the United States ...? ??

    • @madlyjp
      @madlyjp 10 місяців тому +1

      doctors are paid based on the amount of money the government makes from people paying for treatments, so yes that is how it works already

    • @BlisaBLisa
      @BlisaBLisa 10 місяців тому +5

      maybe if we get everyone in the country to contribute to this gofundme campaign ...

    • @julesdalli9716
      @julesdalli9716 10 місяців тому

      It might work, but it's too much government. So keep the broken system that already exists.

    • @alexisleskinen6090
      @alexisleskinen6090 10 місяців тому

      No, doctors should work for free

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому

      It's theft then

  • @Lysander_Spooner
    @Lysander_Spooner 2 місяці тому +12

    Mentiswave wiped the floor with you.😂

  • @sonny061188
    @sonny061188 10 місяців тому +35

    I wonder which UA-camr libertarians dislike more Vaush or Sam Seder?

    • @thedissidentleftist6997
      @thedissidentleftist6997 10 місяців тому +20

      Sam Sedar. The most urbanized a person is the more likely Libertarians hates them.

    • @burgerpirate
      @burgerpirate 10 місяців тому +17

      Sam always ends up stealing their property at gunpoint so I'd say libertarians dislike him more.

    • @julesdalli9716
      @julesdalli9716 10 місяців тому

      I would say Vaush. Because he co-opts libertarian ideology from a leftist perspective. Seder is just a milquetoast lib.

    • @alrecks619
      @alrecks619 10 місяців тому +2

      Sam Seder got more angry calls from right libertarians so there is that.

    • @Michael-sb8jf
      @Michael-sb8jf 4 місяці тому

      They all angry they have diarrhea

  • @erethnewman4009
    @erethnewman4009 10 місяців тому +75

    Bro's biggest crime was using that awful filter on his GBA emulator
    💀💀
    Edit for clarification: I'm referring to the weirdly smoothed pixels. The palette is original to the game and, tbh I don't mind it too much. I kinda like how psychedelic it looks, it really helps it to stand out from the rest of the series. I can see how it can be a strain for the eyes for some though. There's romhacks out there that make it a bit more muted iirc.

    • @AshanBhatoa
      @AshanBhatoa 10 місяців тому +4

      True.

    • @aurtosebaelheim5942
      @aurtosebaelheim5942 10 місяців тому +7

      In general, sure, but Castlevania has such a maximalist style that the scummily smoothed-out pixels almost become an aesthetic. It looks like shit but in an almost stylish way, like Cruelty Squad.
      If he was doing it deliberately I might respect it, but we both know that he just didn't notice that it looks like ass and doesn't know that it can be turned off.

    • @hefdef9961
      @hefdef9961 10 місяців тому +4

      @@aurtosebaelheim5942 im pretty sure you have to specifically turn it on

    • @AnimeGIFfy
      @AnimeGIFfy 10 місяців тому +1

      i LITERALLY puked.

    • @staudinga
      @staudinga 10 місяців тому

      Thanks for mentioning that! I thought I was the only one repulsed by that.

  • @burnt_toast3917
    @burnt_toast3917 10 місяців тому +15

    I swear that libertarians want nothing but cyberpunk hyper capitalism without any of the cool neon signs

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому

      No, we want the cool neon signs too

  • @txikitofandango
    @txikitofandango 10 місяців тому +20

    For Kant, freedom is the capacity to do your duty, which in the 20th century we understood as the capacity to follow your desire

    • @FelisImpurrator
      @FelisImpurrator 10 місяців тому +7

      Well, the problem is that the original take is nonsensical then, which is undoubtedly why it's been adopted by every Christian fascist out there who wants to grift and say that freedom is found in obedience, work, and gratitude. The interpretation there is the overly charitable steelman that doesn't constitute overt schizoposting.

    • @txikitofandango
      @txikitofandango 10 місяців тому

      @@FelisImpurrator That's not a serious view of "duty" because why should I listen to someone telling me what to do? Or why them and not someone else?

    • @txikitofandango
      @txikitofandango 10 місяців тому

      @@FelisImpurrator I agree that freedom is to be found in obedience and compliance, but only into a community that you've entered voluntarily and accepted their terms, or developed the terms collaboratively

    • @FelisImpurrator
      @FelisImpurrator 10 місяців тому +9

      @@txikitofandango I completely disagree. Obedience and conformity are some of the greatest weaknesses and sources of harm in the human psyche. Freedom to obey is not freedom, it's a paradox. The mindset of submission to either a powerful individual or the group has led to just about every mass slaughter and war in history. Unacceptable.
      Freedom is freedom to pursue one's benefit, or self-interest... But! The key flaw with right-libertarian and Objectivist thinking is a failure to understand that self-interest is not selfishness in the conventional moralistic sense. What you want is not always what you need, after all. The key insight provided by Marxist and post-Marxist analysis is the simple and enduring fact that acting in the collective interest more often than not tends to be one and the same as acting in self-interest. A rising tide lifts all ships. Interdependence is a fact of life, all the way up to the ecological level.
      One person alone can't do everything, and is thus less free to do whatever makes them happy or maximizes their well-being. So by improving the well-being of others, and ensuring the free flow of resources to where they're needed, logically one is serving one's own interest by ensuring other people's ability to provide better and more stable access to goods and services; and one does that, usually, either by also providing or by simply not obstructing others, depending on ability. In other words: From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.
      In addition, though, efficient use of collective labor creates surplus. This serves as a safe buffer for emergencies as well as a source of additional quality of life beyond subsistence needs, or in more accurate terms, it satisfies what people need to thrive rather than merely survive. So if a society can support such it should ensure people have access to those surplus resources as much as possible, without necessarily demanding more of individuals who may have limited ability.
      This is all perfectly encapsulated by self-interest. There is no need to resort to deference and submission, "willing" or otherwise. It's as simple as - helping others helps you, so it's better to do it. It's better to set aside the expectation of any level of affection or empathy or group conformity. Think of it this way: Some people maintain their cars out of love and passion. Others do it because they simply understand that a well-maintained car is the best at meeting their needs. Only an idiot thinks a car doesn't need or "deserve" maintenance but uses it anyway.
      Unfortunately, irrational factors such as tribalism, dogma, and intuitive moral conventions can throw off this equation and lead people to act in ways that serve neither themselves nor others. This is why the only good or desirable rule is a necessary one, whether to prevent avoidable harm or ensure effective best practices. It's not enough for people to agree or consent; people can be ignorant, stupid, simply mistaken, or coerced implicitly through means that aren't overtly violent but are dishonest.

    • @tomlxyz
      @tomlxyz 10 місяців тому +5

      @@FelisImpurrator Freedom to obey is plain Christian theology. "You have the freedom to refuse but then you'll go to hell"

  • @LaigledeMeaux
    @LaigledeMeaux 10 місяців тому +14

    "I always feel so silly engaging with libertarian arguments because a lot of them are teenagers."
    I remember back in 6th or 7th grade, I want to say world history? I can't remember the exact class. Anyways, the teacher had us do an easy math work sheet that had a hundred problems on the front, stuff like 2 + 2 = X, 2 * 10 = X, etc. He gave us like 5 minutes to fill out as much of the paper as possible. He said, "I want you to do as much as you can, but everyone will be rewarded the same." After the time limit he had us count up all the questions we answered, some of the dumber kids had like 10 or 15 answered, others had 40 - 50, I seem to remember myself getting like 80 or more because I was a "whiz" at math, there was even a couple of kids who picked up on the "everyone will be rewarded the same" and didn't do a single one. Afterwords the teacher said good job and gave us each 1 piece of candy. When asked why everybody got 1, even those that did really poorly, or none at all, and those that did really well the teacher said, "Hey, that's socialism for you!"
    We then did it again, flipped over the sheet which had another hundred math problems. This time he said, "I want you to do as much as you can, but THIS time, I will reward you for how well you do." After the time limit he gave us a piece of candy for every 10 we got right. "This is capitalism," he said.
    That one lesson informed my political leanings for YEARS. It wasn't until I actually finished a year of college and started actually doing my own research, really questioned my own beliefs, that I started to change what I thought was right and wrong and what taxes were and what not.
    I was basically a standard issue right wing libertarian until I actually cared enough to do my own research. Now I am an anarcho-syndicalist.
    That line from Vaush, "I feel silly engaging with libertairians because they are teenagers," feels so real and could have easily been used against me when I was a teenager.

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому +1

      What did you learn that made you against capitalism?

    • @LaigledeMeaux
      @LaigledeMeaux 10 місяців тому

      @@crazando hm, a tough question, I don't think there was any one thing that did it for me. It was a long and slow process. I don't know if I would say I'm 100% against the idea of capitalism in general, though I think there are better systems. I don't know if the U.S.A can ever realistically move fully away from the system we have, and I don't think violent revolution like the tankies want is the right call. I am more interested in improving the situation we currently have with no real end goal, there are always improvements to be made. I think Unions are the best way to improve our situation without intrinsically changing what we already have. Seems like very strong co-owned Unions with government regulation oversight is the way to go. It allows us to improve what we already have while putting us into a position that could conceivably switch to a better system if enough of the population is able to overcome its own hangups about socialism.

    • @buckmanley1233
      @buckmanley1233 10 місяців тому

      What do you mean dumber kids? Not answering well on a math test doesn't equal being dumb. Some kids aren't dumb enough to fall for libertarianism, I guess you're just one of the dumb kids.

    • @eternalcanadiandevyt
      @eternalcanadiandevyt 10 місяців тому +1

      "Socialism is when no iPhone" - Your teacher

    • @hoominbeeing
      @hoominbeeing 6 місяців тому

      Your teacher was so based

  • @jemand_Nachname
    @jemand_Nachname 10 місяців тому +26

    Thank you for this high quality piece of entertainment. Gave me some good laughs. Especially the part, where you said paleolibertarians = nazis had me almost crack up.
    We all know how back then our good friend Hitler wanted to abolish the state immedeatly and respect everyone's property rights

    • @DavisJ-ln6fw
      @DavisJ-ln6fw 9 місяців тому +2

      Thank You for displaying your ignorance 😆

  • @fluffypinkpandas
    @fluffypinkpandas 10 місяців тому +18

    When Vaush is talking about constructing silly hypotheticals to prove a point in philosophy
    hes talking about the epitome of storytelling.
    THE POINT
    WRITERS
    MAKE FANTASY STORIES.
    Is to STATE A MORAL DILEMMA OR ARGUMENT
    in a way the general audience can digest and comprehend and relate to their own world.

    • @GoldenRedder
      @GoldenRedder 9 місяців тому +1

      And sometimes vaush makes a coconut analogy.

  • @mgkachar
    @mgkachar 10 місяців тому +59

    The intentional misunderstanding of healthcare is infuriating

    • @khill8645
      @khill8645 10 місяців тому +24

      When dealing with libertarians, how do you filter "intentional misunderstanding" from mere incidental stupidity?

    • @frocco7125
      @frocco7125 10 місяців тому

      The government pays for your healthcare with taxes = Whipping and enslaving black people 🤓

    • @warlordofbritannia
      @warlordofbritannia 10 місяців тому +1

      ⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@khill8645
      The healthcare thing is usually a good benchmark, actually. A smart libertarian would see universal healthcare as the government protecting the right to not dying of being poor.
      But your average libertarian will whine about how poor people have too much freedom coming at the expense of profiteering insurance companies. In this case they’re just stupid and unable to really think about how things work.
      But your below average libertarian is just “government bad.” That is intentional misunderstanding.

  • @garywebb2432
    @garywebb2432 10 місяців тому +79

    Its not a new week without the usual Vaush hitpiece 🎉

  • @QtQiuTee
    @QtQiuTee 10 місяців тому +39

    "broooo you don't understand econ 🤓"

    • @antlerbraum2881
      @antlerbraum2881 10 місяців тому +22

      Dudes who THINK they understand economics become libertarian capitalists, dudes who ACTUALLY understand economics go outside and have a life.

    • @theywouldnthavetocensormei9231
      @theywouldnthavetocensormei9231 10 місяців тому

      ​@@antlerbraum2881capitalism has brought more people out of poverty than any other economic system. Socialism has lead to more death and atrocities than any other economic system.

    • @WhiteScorpio2
      @WhiteScorpio2 10 місяців тому

      @@antlerbraum2881 I did neither, what am I?

    • @Byoink
      @Byoink 10 місяців тому +13

      ​@@WhiteScorpio2a fella

  • @RMDragon3
    @RMDragon3 10 місяців тому +25

    "Instead of taxes, I propose that we make everything that taxes pay for into the same system as health insurance". Because that is famously a system that works so well!

    • @tomlxyz
      @tomlxyz 10 місяців тому +13

      Yes, it's way more profitable. Oh you meant deliverying good healthcare for everyone? That's not the most important thing here

    • @realhumanbean7915
      @realhumanbean7915 10 місяців тому +9

      @@tomlxyz
      I too, as a comically evil CEO, do not value human life beyond serving as worker ants

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому +2

      No, fraternal societies were different than health insurance and worked better

    • @GoldenRedder
      @GoldenRedder 9 місяців тому +3

      It did work actually. Our current Healthcare cost crisis was caused as usual, by the government

  • @HunterTracks
    @HunterTracks 10 місяців тому +15

    I love the complete inability to engage with your own priors on display by the libertarian. For instance, "obviously, some people having more money than others is better than everyone being poor" -- by what metric? Last time I checked, "poor medieval village" wasn't a subgenre of dystopia, but "futuristic city with extreme wealth disparity" was. Or correctly identifying that positive freedom sometimes means infringing on the negative freedom of others, but failing to recognise that positive freedom is necessary for any form of human cooperation to function (for instance, making a contract with someone limits your negative freedom to not fulfill it).

    • @wikipiiimp9420
      @wikipiiimp9420 10 місяців тому +1

      Poor medieval village IS dystopian.
      Feudalism is the logical conclusion ancapistan as it's a society when people are under absolute control of a lord owning everything and some people are even tied to this property (the serfs)
      similar to how a cyberpunk dystopia work with mega corporations.
      It's not a genre of dystopia because science fiction writers try to describe future problems (Totalitarian states with 1984, usage of biotechnology for creating a cast system with Brave New World, or out of control capitalism and technology with the cyberpunk genre), not past problems like feudalism.
      Also, both "everyone being poor" and "some are poor, some are rich" are bad. The best system is not the one with people being the richest, or the one with the least inequality, it's the one where people that are the worst off are better off that in any other system.
      Like if system A is : everyone dirt poor
      system B is : 80% are dirt poor, 19% are middle class, 1% are fithy rich
      and system C is : 30% are somewhat poor, 50% are average and 20% are somewhat well off.
      The system C is the best of the tree (altrough not ideal), as it's the one where the wost of off society are also better treated.
      Altrough an ideal system would both maximize equality and sufficient amount wealth (which is what progressive advocate for). with would be system "D", which would be creating a new type of society.
      But a system that distribute equally abject poverty is not that much better to a system that is highly inegalitarian (also it's not coherent, because a truely egalitarian society would be democratic, and therefore would be able to rise to higher standard of living), because if you are starving, you can't benefit from equality. (and ultimately authoritarianism will rise again, either because your society fall into fascism, or because you are simply invaded by a richer and more powerful neighbor).
      egalitairan yet miserable societies dont make sense, as preople in an equal society would democratically make decision for the betterment of themselves, which would raise the standard of living for everyong.
      Only way to a society to be equally dirt poor is for someone to be above all others (eg North Korea), which is by definition, not egalitarian
      For the second part about positive/negative freedom i agree.

    • @HunterTracks
      @HunterTracks 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@wikipiiimp9420Poor medieval village isn't dystopian in a vacuum, it becomes dystopian once you include the feudal lord into the picture, who represents a level of wealth and power that isn't found in the village proper.
      My point is that the general driver of human suffering is rarely natural conditions; usually, it's extreme power inbalances between some parties that result in most damage towards the population. If "everyone is poor", those imbalances do not exist or are greatly lessened, which means that there isn't really a way to construct a system of oppression that we would consider dystopian.
      Also, I never claimed that everyone being poor was good. By all means, it's still a wretched existence; however, a few people being extremely wealthy and everyone else being poor, which is the logical conclusion of libertarian philosophy, is significantly worse.

    • @terryterry5653
      @terryterry5653 10 місяців тому +1

      @@HunterTracks i don't really understand how some people being wealthy and all others being poor is worse than just all being poor. i mean, the less people who are poor, the better.
      also, i watched the video of the guy you keep calling libertarian and iirc he does bring up how there is a balance you need to strike between positive and negative liberties and that it's a debated topic. you should probably watch that video instead of just watching vaush's take on it if you didn't catch that and i remember it a month later

    • @jongxina3595
      @jongxina3595 9 місяців тому

      I hope not all socialists believe what u just said. So u prefer everyone was poorer rather than richer with wealth disparity. You probably would be ok with the US turning into a third world country as long as billionaires and millionaires werent in the US anymore.

  • @tskmaster3837
    @tskmaster3837 10 місяців тому +32

    "Positive freedom is just wealth." And negative freedom is just taxes.
    I'm sorry but I can't imagine a person this simple existing despite listening to him for a half hour.

  • @ollieb8738
    @ollieb8738 10 місяців тому +7

    There’s a 2016 paper by Lewandowsky and Oberauer that found that believe in free market economics a la libertarianism was the strongest predictor of conspiratorial thinking and science denial, because it’s all just rooted in anti-government sentiment. That paper was very formative in my views on libertarians and has explained a lot of their behaviour. (At least, for online libertarians, since the survey was a self-selected online survey)

  • @Ian_sothejokeworks
    @Ian_sothejokeworks 10 місяців тому +42

    I once broke the brain of a Libertarian by asking him how the government could print money without levying taxes to pay for printing it. He fell into babbling about a system of barter, which devolved into basic socialism after two moves. This is how flimsy their ideology is.

    • @edanan99
      @edanan99 10 місяців тому +1

      There is no barter under socialism, since barter is specifically trade between individuals and their private property. Nations/collectives don't "barter" with each other.

    • @Ian_sothejokeworks
      @Ian_sothejokeworks 10 місяців тому +15

      @edanan9897 Is this a non sequitur? Or did you read "international trade" somewhere in my post? I'm not sure why you said this, other than as a fun fact.

    • @julesdalli9716
      @julesdalli9716 10 місяців тому +5

      You may have stumbled across a libertarian who isn't overly certain about their beliefs. A more confident one might actually say that we should live in corporate towns, where legal tender itself is privately owned.

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому +1

      We don't need fiat, we can use gold or Bitcoin. Now get me to socialism with that?

    • @OryxAU
      @OryxAU 10 місяців тому +4

      ​@@crazando That's fiat with extra steps.

  • @chillpillsfornil
    @chillpillsfornil 10 місяців тому +18

    Wow, that fraternal aid bs sounds like taxes, but instead of going into social programs and country projects, they are used to sustain the failsons when their "business" goes into gutter.

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому +3

      Fraternal societies were amazing, and they were made up mostly of minorities

  • @ragdoll_x_furry
    @ragdoll_x_furry 10 місяців тому +11

    This guy randomly appeared on my recommended a few weeks ago and he's your run-of-the-mill "anti-woke" UA-camr. No actual arguments or sources, just vague allusions to "wokeness" and some imagined hypocrisy, strawmans and memes.
    Edit: Also I just have to chip in about the argument at 21:29. Whoever made that graph is literally just pulling numbers out of their ass and assuming that most of the money collected in taxes goes to paying the employees and bureaucrats who collect the taxes in the first place, which is completely false.
    The U.S. spends more money on healthcare than other developed countries but still has worse health outcomes, and every dollar that the IRS spends on auditing the top 10% of taxpayers yields $12 in revenue. We literally _make money_ collecting taxes, with only a fraction of a fraction of your taxes going to pay for the tax collection itself.

    • @GoldenRedder
      @GoldenRedder 9 місяців тому +2

      ragdoll_x_furry
      If you think he doesn't cite sorces or make arguments then you clearly never watched him.

  • @agni-kai132
    @agni-kai132 10 місяців тому +5

    the real psycho take is him using pixel smoothing on Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance. absolutely degenerate to smooth them beautiful sprites

  • @fullmetaldumbass9564
    @fullmetaldumbass9564 10 місяців тому +15

    A kid runs up to his mom and says "Mom, I want to be a libertarian when I grow up!"
    His mom looks down and says "well which is it, you can't do both?"

  • @NewSocialistEraVideos
    @NewSocialistEraVideos 10 місяців тому +5

    (right-wing) Libertarians: Coercion is bad and should never happen...
    Also the same Libertarians: I'll force YOU to respect my version of private property rights and how I understand them or else!!
    Lolololol-

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому

      Forcing you to not steal from us. Woah we're literally Hitler dude

    • @Cynwale
      @Cynwale 3 місяці тому

      Ah yes, the good old strawman attack, next time on "I'm a commie!" we'll be focusing on how socialism made Nazism!

  • @j.h.oldman7708
    @j.h.oldman7708 2 місяці тому +3

    Somehow not surprised vaush doesn't seem to understand the difference between positive and negative rights.

  • @fibonacci8
    @fibonacci8 10 місяців тому +27

    I can excuse murder, but I draw the line at stealing.

    • @tomlxyz
      @tomlxyz 10 місяців тому +13

      Private property > human lives

    • @realhumanbean7915
      @realhumanbean7915 10 місяців тому +4

      @@tomlxyz
      B-b-based???

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому

      We're against both

    • @Aeivious
      @Aeivious 10 місяців тому

      ​@@crazandohow can you be? Saying i cant murder is against my negative liberty which is clearly based and positive liberty is for soycucklords.

    • @Cynwale
      @Cynwale 3 місяці тому

      @@tomlxyz This man is against private property until I come to remove his computer and iPhone.

  • @GrovelingPony
    @GrovelingPony 10 місяців тому +23

    "positive freedom is a grift"
    *Immediately describes a grift as an example of how negative freedom can work*

  • @avalus6
    @avalus6 10 місяців тому +7

    The funniest part of this video is hearing Vaush talk about 11am like that's early in the morning lol

    • @FelisImpurrator
      @FelisImpurrator 10 місяців тому

      It is. What are you, some kind of morning person?

  • @nddragoon
    @nddragoon 10 місяців тому +13

    the upscaling filter on the retro game destroyed the libertarian in this debate

    • @Alwaysaspy
      @Alwaysaspy 4 місяці тому

      Anyone who plays video games in their videos (except us) is a fascist.

  • @ASolidSnack
    @ASolidSnack 10 місяців тому +6

    Maybe we need to take away the liberty for literally anyone to have a UA-cam channel where they pretend to be smart

    • @madlyjp
      @madlyjp 10 місяців тому +6

      so you and vaush

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому +3

      ​@@madlyjpbasically

    • @dominusnoobus1589
      @dominusnoobus1589 10 місяців тому +3

      Yeah that would be vaush you’d be talking about

  • @des-trina
    @des-trina 10 місяців тому +2

    Always fun when some right-wing "intelligencia" guy goes with "socialism is when gubbermint does stuff." Proves they have no idea what socialism is.

  • @Turbopasta
    @Turbopasta 10 місяців тому +5

    I don't even need audio for this one, the fact that this guy is using such aggressive smoothing filters on a 2D Castlevania game tells me everything I need to know

    • @ItsjustTNT123
      @ItsjustTNT123 4 місяці тому +2

      Why do commies keep saying "xyz tells me everything I need to know about xyz"
      Like I've seen it like 5 times so far in this comment section.

    • @MiaTheOtterPup
      @MiaTheOtterPup 2 місяці тому

      @@ItsjustTNT123That's not something "commies" do, it's a common internet joke format that appears on all kinds of media. It has nothing to do with any kind of political or economic beliefs

  • @Apollo-iq1vx
    @Apollo-iq1vx 10 місяців тому +2

    Libertarians: "corporations are enforcing a regime of wage slavery."
    Yes, I mean I can agree wi-
    Libertarians: "the solution is to give corporations more power by making the government weaker."
    ......oh.

    • @ulthanesmorkums
      @ulthanesmorkums 9 місяців тому +2

      The corporations love the government, not the opposite.
      Who's better equipped to pay the government's fees? The small business or the mega corporation?

    • @johnrose411
      @johnrose411 8 місяців тому +1

      @@ulthanesmorkumsshhh you’re gonna hurt his brain.

  • @blankslate7315
    @blankslate7315 10 місяців тому +3

    Any argument that makes the case that taxes are theft and slavery would also condemn wage labour, stolen and exploited labour value, imprisonment and capitalism itself for also being forms of theft and/or slavery, but I'm guessing that he wouldn't accept all of that (although to be perfectly honest I would be able to easily accept that.)

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому +1

      The logic doesn't apply. On taxation you are forced to give money for your work or other things without your consent.
      But with wage labor you explicitly consent to it

    • @eternalcanadiandevyt
      @eternalcanadiandevyt 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@crazandoYou consent to being taxed by virtue of existing in modern society.
      Assuming you aren't a silly teenager, you probably currently pay taxes. Seems pretty consensual to me.

  • @damiandassen7763
    @damiandassen7763 10 місяців тому +4

    Vaush is really good at strawmanning and seemingly deliberately misrepresenting libertarian viewpoints, and the libertarian guy in the video is genuinely bad at actually properly representing libertarian arguments.

    • @WokeandProud
      @WokeandProud 10 місяців тому +6

      Then make a video doing it better than.

    • @Spongebrain97
      @Spongebrain97 10 місяців тому

      No Vaush has literally debated Libertarian guys running for president and they all have the same terrible conclusions and usually are immoral on some weird level

    • @hulkmt
      @hulkmt 10 місяців тому +1

      no need to do strawmanning when libertarians make videos sounding dumb

    • @2vexy
      @2vexy 10 місяців тому +1

      Ah yes, the typical libertarian excuse: people who disagree with libertarianism just don't understand it and people who are libertarians but lose debates on it also don't understand it.

    • @damiandassen7763
      @damiandassen7763 10 місяців тому +1

      Then why does Vaush need to strawman? @@hulkmt

  • @flergindergin
    @flergindergin 10 місяців тому +11

    The Fumo/Vaush crossover is not one I ever expected to see.

    • @aldxbaran
      @aldxbaran 10 місяців тому +3

      why does everything I like have to be ruined by nazis god damnit

    • @flergindergin
      @flergindergin 10 місяців тому +1

      @@aldxbaran if it makes you feel better most people watching the libertarians video probs don't know anything about Touhou Project or Fumos, they just see something vaguely anime and go "hell yeah."

    • @GoldenRedder
      @GoldenRedder 9 місяців тому +1

      aldxbaran
      Something tells me you don't know what a nazi is

    • @uraniumeaterr
      @uraniumeaterr 6 місяців тому

      @@aldxbaran shit been ruined lmfao

    • @uraniumeaterr
      @uraniumeaterr 6 місяців тому

      @@flergindergin ts prolly not true touhou fans weird asl especially the ones who play the games

  • @Lysander_Spooner
    @Lysander_Spooner 2 місяці тому +7

    Vaush is one logical fallacy after another. 😂

  • @Nyarurin
    @Nyarurin 10 місяців тому +30

    as someone who was this type of "right wing libertarian" just about two years ago - listening to this is both painful and hilarious

    • @frocco7125
      @frocco7125 10 місяців тому

      We all make mistakes in life, don't worry.

    • @alexsmith2910
      @alexsmith2910 10 місяців тому +6

      We've all been there.

    • @julesdalli9716
      @julesdalli9716 10 місяців тому +1

      I honestly wonder how these people form their ideologies. Do they get it from their parents? Or do they just go out of their way to form the most sociopathic world view possible?

    • @alexisleskinen6090
      @alexisleskinen6090 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@julesdalli9716they start from saying that aggression is unjustifiable and get the rest from this

    • @2vexy
      @2vexy 10 місяців тому

      @@alexisleskinen6090 Yeah but the problem is they define aggressive actions in a way that only they agree with, and then accuse others of being in favour of aggression when in reality we just use different definitions for what constitutes aggression

  • @neferiusnexus
    @neferiusnexus 10 місяців тому +9

    "so sad (not meaning it)" -this libertarian describing a person that's literally starving

  • @Fresh_yams
    @Fresh_yams 10 місяців тому +10

    Libertarians feel like they get robbed when they put bread in the toaster and get toast back

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому +2

      The toaster won't kill me if I don't put bread in it

  • @lucassaunier4911
    @lucassaunier4911 Місяць тому +2

    PDFs try not to mischaracterize arguments and say newtzi, challenge impossible

  • @uiyx4379
    @uiyx4379 10 місяців тому +23

    voosh makes me incredibly doubtful of the future of society, how can anyone agree with this guy

    • @hulkmt
      @hulkmt 10 місяців тому

      did you watch the video?

    • @tommyscott9085
      @tommyscott9085 10 місяців тому +8

      ​​@@hulkmt Im gonna assume you are a troll.

    • @pieynot9084
      @pieynot9084 10 місяців тому +17

      ​@@hulkmt I watched the video. He completely misrepresents his point and calls him a nazi on top of that with no evidence to back it up. He is known for doing this.

    • @_APG_
      @_APG_ 10 місяців тому +5

      @@pieynot9084 The midwits can't even spot the most openly blatant fallacious arguments, and they are too busy waiting to be told what they should all agree with. (Therefore of course; out group should not be taken seriously and is bad.) How can they be expected to understand the outsiders concepts when they can't even spot Voosh's blatant fallacies?

    • @dominusnoobus1589
      @dominusnoobus1589 10 місяців тому

      Stupid people do 😂

  • @TheReykjavik
    @TheReykjavik 10 місяців тому +5

    Did anyone else notice that he misquoted Vaush, changing "base philosophical argument" to "based philosophical argument"? Vaush was talking base, as in foundation, defining the concept so discussion could be had, and this guy didn't want to grapple with the concept, so he just wrote it off as on opinion, "based" as in the opposite of "cringe" in Vaush's opinion. The dishonesty is pretty telling.

    • @user-zb9lv3gh8s
      @user-zb9lv3gh8s 9 місяців тому

      These people always have an undercurrent of dishonesty. Just look at Prager U implying that they're a university when they're just a pack of far right wing nuts trying to sound intellectual to people who don't know any better.

  • @tverdyznaqs
    @tverdyznaqs 10 місяців тому +28

    a rightoid vaush bad video - refreshing!

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому +1

      Glad to be a rightoid

    • @tverdyznaqs
      @tverdyznaqs 10 місяців тому

      @@crazando Why is your channel banner half space and half bananas?

    • @Cynwale
      @Cynwale 3 місяці тому

      @@tverdyznaqs Excellent question.

  • @narikobeilschmidt
    @narikobeilschmidt 10 місяців тому +26

    a RIGHT WING video essay? didn't expect that lmao

  • @HarveyDangerLurker
    @HarveyDangerLurker 2 місяці тому +5

    Breadtube delivers... brain dead takes, this comment section is the left side of my family coping.

    • @fshhh
      @fshhh Місяць тому +1

      Yeah Vaush fans are dull

  • @tonytoxic5651
    @tonytoxic5651 10 місяців тому +16

    thats a good point but do you condemn hamas vaush thats what matters here

    • @jambott5520
      @jambott5520 10 місяців тому +5

      Vaush has arguably spending too much time condemning hamas, with a number of videos arguing with leftists trying to justify hamas' actions.

  • @samuelbulow5291
    @samuelbulow5291 10 місяців тому +24

    My sister and I had a short joking back and forth regarding libertarianism and my own political beliefs. We basically turned each other's into a job interview meme. When i did hers, I basically said that libertarians know and want to get to a form of feudalism in the end.
    I thought she'd push back on that a little but no, she fully admitted that's a possibility. She claimed to be opposed to it, and also admitted that that outcome is something she sees worryingly often online.

    • @ScarlettR61
      @ScarlettR61 10 місяців тому +2

      There’s a libertarian tendency to go “welfare programs are feudalism/serfdom and therefore bad and also feudalism is good and we should return to it”

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому

      As a libertarian I love feudalism. Read Frank Van Dun

  • @thefuriousfatty2297
    @thefuriousfatty2297 10 місяців тому +20

    Another day , another vaush bad hitpeice

  • @JamesMorgan-ne8qu
    @JamesMorgan-ne8qu 10 місяців тому +4

    They want freedom but would glady take orders from King Elon.

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому

      We all love a rightful ruler

  • @awkwardrenegade2173
    @awkwardrenegade2173 10 місяців тому +2

    The VDS industrial complex keeps pumping out bangers.

  • @tirushone6446
    @tirushone6446 10 місяців тому +23

    I like how at this point the "VAUSH BAD HITPEICE" is becoming a recurring series

  • @MaytayMaya
    @MaytayMaya 10 місяців тому +3

    You know someone thinks their smart when they've got a rantsona in the corner that emotes as they speak.

  • @Somniostatic
    @Somniostatic 10 місяців тому +12

    dude i debunked capitalism yesterday, don't lie

  • @monty58
    @monty58 10 місяців тому +1

    I hate these rebranded republican libertarians.
    I have actual libertarian ideals, but it feels dirty to call them libertarian, because they've tainted the word.
    The first thing any real libertarian would be railing against would be copyright and patent law. They're the least libertarian laws out there, but none of them care, because none of them are actually anti government pro freedom. Just fascists that needed a rebrand

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому

      Mentiswave is very much against copyright and patent laws and he's done videos on them.

  • @guillaumelagueyte1019
    @guillaumelagueyte1019 10 місяців тому +8

    If chat wants a debate against libertarians, send them to Sam Seder, he loves it

  • @xMawkKnightx
    @xMawkKnightx 10 місяців тому +12

    The libertarian used his negative freedom by turning on that disgusting smooth renderer gba emulator filter.

  • @sargonsblackgrandfather2072
    @sargonsblackgrandfather2072 10 місяців тому +12

    When he said social policies meant everyone being, “equally poor” my eyes rolled so hard I thought I might be having a mini stroke

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому +1

      You would be making everyone equally poor if you're a communist or redistributor.
      Your dissatisfaction with that fact doesn't make you right

    • @Cynwale
      @Cynwale 3 місяці тому

      California being the commie dream, people walking down the streets in BDSM suits, drug addicts stabbing innocents who thought they owned anything in a commie land, black people rioting to steal things instead of paying for them like every normal human being has to do, democrats making 1.200.000$ each day without sharing a cent but it's fine because only others have to share.
      Truly a Communist dream, you can see it by how many people are leaving this state ASAP.

  • @soraneyorumi2017
    @soraneyorumi2017 10 місяців тому +1

    Also be aware that "corporatist" can be a dogwhistle for Jews.

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому

      Lol sounds like you're being racist

  • @tomlxyz
    @tomlxyz 10 місяців тому +5

    it seems like for him positive liberty is identical to theft, which is unsuprising given they see any taxation as theft and that being one of the defining factors of the opposite of negative liberty

  • @kittavares4334
    @kittavares4334 10 місяців тому +2

    The most offensive thing here is that gross pixel blur he applied on that GBA Castlevania.

  • @ficialintelligence1869
    @ficialintelligence1869 10 місяців тому +9

    Vaush: "In other words, you can put cyanide in the bread." And at the same time...
    Me: "Meaning, you can poison the bread without consequences."

    • @alexsmith2910
      @alexsmith2910 10 місяців тому +1

      Me: "you can put arsonic in the bread."

    • @tomlxyz
      @tomlxyz 10 місяців тому +6

      Libertarians: "If you put cyanide into bread you'll lose customers and they'll go to your competitor instead"

    • @miskatonic_alumni
      @miskatonic_alumni 10 місяців тому +2

      Once tyrannical health & safety regulations are slashed, we can once again enjoy the divine gift of St. Anthony's fire.

    • @ficialintelligence1869
      @ficialintelligence1869 10 місяців тому

      @@tomlxyz No. They -- and innocent people -- will die off in vast numbers _first_ ... until the culprit is caught. Oh, that's right. No regulatory or policing agencies to do the investigations.

  • @journeymanic9605
    @journeymanic9605 10 місяців тому +7

    Once again I reiterate, "Without taxes theft isn't illegal."

    • @edanan99
      @edanan99 10 місяців тому +1

      It still carries consequences, as all actions do. Thieves and tyrants always get theirs in due time. Just because some government isn't there to declare what you've done wrong and punish you for it, doesn't mean others won't.

    • @journeymanic9605
      @journeymanic9605 10 місяців тому +6

      @edanan9897 Government isn't there to declare someone has done wrong. Government is, ostensibly, there to balance the scales of power in favor of those who are wronged.
      Libertarians will cry, "But the government is always corrupt." And I'm like, "Okay, so you want to make it worse? An unreliable counter measure is better than none at all." In their society, an individual's rights don't matter just the size of someone's wallet. It's might makes right in a fancy suit.

    • @Bryndleson
      @Bryndleson 10 місяців тому +2

      ​@@edanan99the entire idea of ownership is a construction of the state

    • @edanan99
      @edanan99 10 місяців тому

      @@Bryndleson hmmm. I wonder how people were able to own things before the existence of states. We know even monkeys can be trained to trade with each other and respect each other's property...
      Maybe because raw power is the LAST thing that mediates most human interactions, and reciprocal respect is what actually reigns supreme between sane and well-adjusted people?
      Idk. Just a thought. Maybe psychopaths and narcissists who can only think in terms of power would see it differently...

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому

      Without taxes theft is still immoral. Morality trumps legality. Or else the Holocaust would be fine then?

  • @Arc-tz5qd
    @Arc-tz5qd 8 місяців тому +5

    He pauses why too much, he doesn’t let anyone finish their statement.

  • @LPVince94
    @LPVince94 10 місяців тому +11

    Uh boy the little man starts of with the worst possible analogy for his cause. Wanna know why German bread is so fucking good? Yeah an extensive body of regulatory laws on every aspect of the trade.
    Same with the beer btw.

  • @SpencerCJ
    @SpencerCJ 10 місяців тому +8

    Libertarians want all the benefits of a modern society but none of the things needed to make it happen. They are just kids mad that they have to share sometimes

  • @BleedForTheWorld
    @BleedForTheWorld 10 місяців тому +2

    "Living is good" Vaushkusy Debussy III

  • @Prometheus1464
    @Prometheus1464 10 місяців тому +4

    Poor people want to live happy lives too?? Ew no, they're poor... They clearly chose to not be a valuable worker horse.

  • @chestypants78
    @chestypants78 10 місяців тому +1

    Sam Seder has debated many libertarians and just made them all look childish. AFAIK libertarianism is understandable if you are very wealthy 'I got mine'. Otherwise you're a simp.

  • @Tacom4ster
    @Tacom4ster 10 місяців тому +4

    Im just glad this is not more leftist infighthing

  • @Cyrus_T_Laserpunch
    @Cyrus_T_Laserpunch 3 місяці тому +1

    Grift means "thing I disagree with" nowadays.

  • @juliafinarovsky5357
    @juliafinarovsky5357 10 місяців тому +4

    When someone calls themselves a libertarian, I take it as an admission of brain damage.

    • @crazando
      @crazando 10 місяців тому

      "All of my opponents are brain damaged"

    • @juliafinarovsky5357
      @juliafinarovsky5357 10 місяців тому

      @@crazando No. All libertarians are brain damaged. I have far more opponents and calling libertarians my opponents is far too generous. Their brain state is similar to that of a toddler that hasn't progressed beyond caring solely about their immediate needs. They think that if only there was no govt, the corporations would magically compete and stop fckng us. They also don't believe that they ever have to worry about another human being because "the free market will take care of it". They think that every poor person is solely responsible for their situation due to laziness while simultaneously believing that the point one-percenters all worked hard and didn't exploit their employees' labor. Finally, they have a fundamental lack of empathy, understanding, as well as any ability to learn and grow from new information, which are basic signifiers of brain damage.

    • @Aeivious
      @Aeivious 10 місяців тому

      ​@@crazandonah just libertarians.

    • @eternalcanadiandevyt
      @eternalcanadiandevyt 10 місяців тому

      They got dropped on their head and forgot like...all of human history and society.

  • @minecrashinhard
    @minecrashinhard 10 місяців тому +2

    11:17 but what if i buy a bunch of equipment with my wages. Equipment made in a factory and designed by specialists in their field to optimize the tools performance. then i could survive in the woods and be truly autonomous.

  • @lexj432hz6
    @lexj432hz6 6 місяців тому +3

    “Taxation is theft”
    Then just stop paying taxes.
    “But I’m forced to!”
    No you’re not.
    “The police will show up at my door.”
    Then just runaway or fight them.
    “They’ll take my house.”
    Then just be homeless. Or again, just fight them and stop them from taking it.
    “But grocery stores take sales tax.”
    Then just walk around with a ‘will work for food sign.’
    “But that’s such a crappy life.”
    BOOM you got it! Then just pay taxes.
    “bUt I dOnT wAnT tO!”
    🤦‍♂️

  • @trancandy1
    @trancandy1 10 місяців тому +2

    this dude started off the video with "hai internets :3"