The Sad State Of Saurian
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Saurian is an open world dinosaur survival game that launched its kickstarter campaign in 2016. While it did open to a lot of attention, it quickly seemed to fall off of everybody's radar, and the game slowly spiralled into slower and slower updates as a dirty developer took money from right under them.
Credit to Hydration Monster for both the silly thumbnail image and the one at the end
First person to recognise the song I had playing at the end gets free cement
Tbh shifty why not try to contact one of the devs to see what they have to say about current development rather than rely on only the dev blogs and stuff
Wouldnt that be the best way to find out whats actually goin on behind the scenes
@@IndominusRex-wc1ey even if progress is being made by the developers, there is a lack of disclosure to the public which means that game has seemed completly dead for the outside world since july of last year. I dont think developer input would change much tbh. The discord and devblogd themselves are pretty representative of the games state
@@IndominusRex-wc1ey
I see what you're trying to say, but I'm going to have to assume that any important progress info they're allowed to share would be given to their active community instead of some random small youtuber with little to no connection to them or their game, only for them to leak that info in a video anyway.
It also doesn't do much to change the main point of the video, which is that even if rex releases soon (seems unlikely) there is a very slim chance it'll actually help their financial and player situation.
Is it that song from JWTG? Could be wrong but sounds similar at the least
@@shiftyvee fair enough
its sad to see saurian die like this, if you can call it dying. slowly slowly fizzling out due to lack of updates and slow development speed. saurian is probably one of my favourite dinosaur games, they dont even have a bad or toxic development team or anything like that. saurian is like the innocent little brother of the big 3 i feel.
Which big 3?
Primal carnage? The Isle? Beasts of Bermuda? Ark? Path of titans? In curious
+they got their fund stolen, but they want to keep updating if they can
@@fefek1 The Isle, Beasts of Bermuda, Path of titans but everyone knows primal carnage is the best
@@NeovenatorGuyPC isn't a survival game, but it is really good
Saurian, yet another victim of the dino-sim genre wide curse.
the concept as a whole is poisoned and i dont know why. it makes me terribly sad when this genre is the exact kind of thing i wanted
God, you're right.
@@blackcat2333Because for some reasons their almost always the case of a mf in a dino game dev team who run away with like 80% of the dev money.
@@foxxtitan7028 That statement is so true
@@foxxtitan7028 dear god , why do scammers always ruin everything ? also why are pepole like that not held accountable for this shit ?
Saurian has, or had, the most potential out of all the dino games for the sole fact it was designed to be single player, something still lacking to this day outside of PoT's extremely lackluster SP. People would be able to play without dealing with lag, AFK NEET's, and mixpackers, enjoying the game without so much BS and enjoying it for what it is.
Devs wouldn't have to worry about nearly as much whining and the playerbase dragging the game down, look at BoB and how it's community killed it. But after the money was stolen, things tapered off HARD, and it doesn't look like anything is going to get better. This whole genre is cursed.
I think the issue is that the game isn't very engaging to play, especially being single player, because there isn't much diversity in experience. it's just start, eat, drink, grow, nest and die in a fight or kill some ai. at least skins or genetic variation would improve that a little bit. I don't think it'll get better for a while (definitely not until they make the game more engaging and improve a lot of the visuals,) but given how long they've worked on it I don't see them jumping ship or anything. it'll take some time but it'll improve, in my opinion
I'd agree that the genre needs more single player games so that people that don't have groups can play the game and enjoy it fully, but I think that opens up a new issue. These games are kinda just "dick around in a sandbox as a dinosaur and fight people," and when you remove multiplayer you remove the point of the game. I'd say that looking to established genres and more conventional game design could make a great single player game, but then the game's appeal will probably be different (which is probably for the best).
At this point I think it's just best to have a dinosaur themed game where playing is a dinosaur isn't the sole appeal, and is within a pre established gaming genre (shooter, rpg, action game, platformer, life sim, ect.). I've said this a lot, but my ideal game is basically just monster hunter but with different dinosaur classes instead of weapons. Those games have a big focus on creature design and ecology, so making things more overtly based off of real animals would be really cool.
I think the bigger issue that dinosaur simulators represent is the weird lack of games that allow you to control a dinosaur in a meaningful or engaging way. Dinosaurs just tend to be set dressing, enemies, or just an inspiration for fictional creatures. With all of the popular video game franchises out there it's so odd to me how dinosaurs are barely present.
I might be wrong but…
I THINK a good single player mode for PoT would consist of:
The hability of playable dinosaurs AIs roaming around the map (maybe with the possibility of an option allowing either modded animals or official and modded animal AIs) and to be played as either a baby (with slow growing, quests will accelerate the growth) or starting off as an adult. Possibly few ambient AIs (like the Goniopholis and other animals showed back in 2019, maybe even small pterosaurs, lizards and few other animals, possibly critters running around too). I loved the single player aspect of Saurian and TBH, it was the only “be the dinosaur” game I actually liked (I like PoT besides all tho).
They are working on the adding AI and such to the game as well as changing the questing system. Taking forever to do it, but they are doing it.
And I'm also probably never going to play Official again once Singleplayer becomes a less boring option. I don't like running around in a completely empty world.
Saurian came at the perfect time when there was a very passionate community looking for the modern look of dinosaurs to be more normalized. It kinda did, but kinda didn't. Prehistoric Planet gave the final push at least.
The accurate motif the game had also suffered with time unfortunately. In the time it took them to make god knows how many plants that they shared in the dev blogs, dakotaraptor as a valid taxa has basically been killed entirely, leaving the very foundation of the game broken in that respect.
crazy how this is what the "next" video is about
i always thought that their commitment to accuracy was something that held them back. they had to remake rex like what, twice? sucks that the dakotaraptor thing happened, but at the same time i don't feel surprised
@@shiftyvee I'll be looking foward to that one
Gamedev here (game’s about dinosaurs in zoos):
Yes plants are the worst thing to work with, originally my game was going to have 120-ish plants but, I was told to lower it down, now my game will have 9 plants (all fictional tho), but 9 is BETTER than 120
Wait what do you mean about dakotaraptor?!
Saurian has fundamental gameplay problems... there is no (engaging) gameplay loop. The gameplay is fun for 1 hour and can be immersive, but there is almost nothing to do in the game, and the fact that only 2 playables exist just makes it worse. Even before they found out about the theft, which is a terrible thing that happened, they spent countless months and years doing nothing but changing plant models and other insignificant things. They had time to focus on the essentials but they didnt. But somehow found the money to pay for a completly new rex concept art and model in 2021 i believe. Im pretty sure at that pojnt they were aware of the theft of money, so the missmanagement of resources is a problem that has and will plague saurian forever.
Agreed. I feel like they should have left the rex as it was and work with its feathered model. Call their game mostly accurate instead of entirely accurate. They really killed their game with their focus on plants and the rex model that really didnt need to happen. We would have a game with 3 playables and maybe more complex gameplay at least.
You made me realise what i followed this game development for the past.. 7 years? Saurian is old enough to go to school, and yet, its not even a half-way done (2/6 playable dinos done). First time i played it was in 2017, Trike update was in 2020, mating in 2022. And im still waiting for the damn rex update, time to time checking dev discord for bits of information and adoring the model Little Baardo did for them.
But i wish them, - the devs, the best. Saurian is the only dino game what allows solo survival experience and i hope one day we will see full release... Or the Rex. Anzu? Probably never.
Looking back, I really wished that instead of an accuracy sim, we settled on more video-gamey creature survival.
So imagine Spore's Creature stage but more good. That said I backed the game a long time ago and Saurian has grown slow but somewhat steadily in that time and hasn't tried to mislead people about content.
we have enough of those. i only play saurian because the graphics are superb
One of the biggest heartbreaks of my gaming life.
I was there on Discord when they released that there will be no more "regular" devlogs. I'm pretty sure they won't release a log until rex is out. Like, they're not going to release stuff until they're _sure_ that the mechanics in question are presentable.
I don't mind _Saurian_ being slow. I like going to museums and just looking at simulations with accurate dinos. Funny story, I went to AHNM and it was like full of inaccuracies. Like that place is stuck in a time capsule, which is interesting in of itself, but it's old as feck nonetheless.
It's just me, but I think I'll make an exception for this "game" for not having so many rosters and such (I swear to god people care too much about more playables when they're probably just going to play the same I'm looking at you _Path of Titans_ ). I like simulations. I pursue that in grad school.
But then I only bought myself the game on Christmas and have yet to play it. I'm sure it won't be as disappointing as _Prehistoric Hunt_ though.
Ah, I remember when this game came out. Had such high hopes for it.
Saurian was the first time I ever got introduced to the more accurate avian style of dinosaurs, and I was in awe. I always wanted to play it, and I finally got it recently and noticed how little its been updated. I still really appreciate the effort that was put into it, either way!
This is honestly the best UA-cam video shifty has made in a good while!
200.000 dollars didn't sound that impressive to me then i remembered inflation and gasped.
The most ironic thing that happened to saurian for me was when the lead artist replied to me saying that this is the next Mesozoica. He said that it wouldn’t end up like that.
A few months later he blocked me on Twitter and deleted the comments.
The fact that he just acts like nothing happened really pisses me off.
The simple AI is what is making this game as boring as it is. When they announced courtship and interaction with your fellow dinosaurs, I think everyone expected these to be a tiny little more complex than a press of a button. I was also hyper disappointed to find these interactions to be so simple. No actual courtship, no real herd/pack behavior. This game is a walk simulator with pretty dinosaurs. I want more complex AI, I want to be able to interact with my herd mates, my mate. I want more complex social displays and courtships.
For a game that advertises itself as an ecosystem simulator based on real fact and research... their game is pretty simple. At least they should come forward and tell people what the deal is. Did they give up on it? Is this what we will have? Give us some sneak peeks or a sign to give us something to look out for.
Sad to see what happened, a game originally considered one of the big three along with the isle and beasts of bermuda now just completely forgotten and basically replaced by path of titans despite how much promise it originally showed
I actually think Saurian development is not dead, at least yet. This game is more of a simulator than a have fun game. It reminds me of SpaceEngine, a spacesim game where there is nothing to do. It's an universe size planetarium you can explore. Saurian should aim for that. Just a Hell Creek sized interactive terrarium. SpaceEngine has also a slow development, but it's constant and the devs are very transparent about current plans.
If they want to be profitable, then that's not the way they should go
I wouldn't say nothing could save it. Making it playable on a controller is a good place to start. Something to tether the player's interest other than the unspoken goal of survival. Being able to interact with the other creatures in a social manner would immensely add to the role play experience. I hate to make this comparison, but even if they could attain something similar to The Isle in its Legacy days would make the game better. I got it because I wanted to enjoy a dino-sim that could actually be realistic and not be governed by uneducated discord mods (Looking at you WWD server 😂)
A flying creature, an aquatic creature, something that burrows etc. And more active carnivore AI of varying sizes, something to run from and eventually fight would add so much for longevity. Last I played the crocs were the only threat and they were lazy and easily avoided.
Idk maybe the devs can take hints from Ancestors: The Humankind Odyssey for techniques to immerse the player and make the mechanics and controls feel more lifelike
dinosaur survival game try not to have shit dev team challenge (impossible)
It’s actually sad to see this game just not have new updates
I played it and enjoyed it
You were born in 2005? Have you smoked 90 Bensons a day since then?
I wonder how they are gonna handle the fact that Dakotaraptor may not even be a valid genus anymore.
David C. Evans was warning the devs as far back as 2018 that Dakotaraptor was chimeric, arguing that only a single caudal vertebra of the holotype skeleton could be confidently assigned to Dromaeosauridae.
We should raise some crowd funding for this game and find more programmers for them
glad to see you havent fallen off 🫶🫶
think multiplayer would save this game. What, 13 dinos? Most AI only from what I heard, but that's a pretty decent roster. Use all of those as playables, add in local rodents and flyers and rodent/flyer climbers, and then general features would make this game pretty alright.
EG, burrowing, dueling like what the isle plans, some sort of alpha system, easy modding, better breeding mechanics and nesting in other players, scars, multi-herding (AI or not) and some sort of symbiosis and you've got one of the best realism dino games, though by that point far outmatched by the isle, headstart 'n all.
After that? Different plates (regions). EG, I'd love to see a realistic spino intermingling with carchars and suchos in a floodplainsXdesertXjungle region, all possible because the sahara swaps over to a jungle and then back every 23K years. Put it at thee in-between point!
Though by that point, we'll probably be at the fourth (or more) living roster of isle dinos and features, with yet another new extra realistic or easily optimising engine, and a new map, and et cetera.
i have a strange feeling that the money being stolen was a lie....
I regret getting this game
Had allot of potantial. I belive if they finished of somme dinos and made it multiplayer. And crossplay with consol it whould be a great success.
I just want a fun dino sim that is either 1 player or co-op 2 to 4 player. I bought my friend this game a LONG time ago when it came out hoping that we'd soon be able to play it together online. No such luck. If anyone can recommend me a game like the isle/saurian I'd love to play it. I wanted to like the isle but the fact that its basically a free for all had me super peeved about it to the point where I don't wanna play it anymore. I just wanna hunt some AI hadrosaurs as a T Rex with my T Rex homie
You can play path of titans.
Beast of Bermuda
i remember being really invested in saurian initially but it really just isn't a good game as it is now and it isn't worth playing. the development speed is so slow it's just sad
of course i want a good accurate dino sim like it, but... i like games like the isle much better even if they are inaccurate or unrealistic because the game is actually playable and has a pretty good game feel. i will always prefer that a game about dinosaurs feels good to play rather than shoot for accuracy
I find it absolutely hilarious that out of the 2 playable creatures they managed to make in 6 or so years, one just got revealed to not have even existed lmao. In any other game this wouldn't be a problem, but with the Saurian devs constantly jerking themselves off to how supposedly accurate their game is, having an entire fictional creature that never existed running around is quite something. I'm not saying Dakota should be removed, Jesus Christ, they barely have any playable characters at all in the first place, but it just goes to show that when you build your game's entire appeal and reputation around the idea of being "accurate" and "realistic" and "true to science" in a field that changes the consensus around what we think we know every other day, it's bound to bite you in the ass sooner or later.
I’ve had it since 2017. I’m terribly sad to see it go. I’m one of the complainers on the most recent devlog lol
All I want is some cool realistic games about the Mesozoic era and this is literally all there is.
I feel bad that it died but then again the art guy is kinda a dick
I, apparently, did infact remind him of the video he needed to make.
The single player aspect is cool. A lil roplay game especially if u have no freinds. Idk sounds like a fun game. Sad for the slow pace of updates and the situation with first lead dev
For the past 3 years, I've made it no secret that I hate Saurian. It's nice to see my hot take isn't so hot anymore.
I think they should just pull the plug on it. It's been living on false hope and life support for years now.
Buh buh but we need to get more DATA!!!
I feel like this game can benefit from multiplayer. Yes, not the purpose of the game, but surely an amazing option. And I feel like at least 1/5-1/2 of a server should be players, with the rest being AI. Next, the game needs improved fixes and graphics. More complexed mechanics. With only 5 planned playables(possibly more) and a fairly decent woodland forest map, this game can be fun. The dev team REALLY care about their game. I hate how people are just so toxic, rude, and selfish. That previous owner should be guilty for stealing money from the crowdfund and causing the game to go downhill. Hope Saurian becomes popular again. Also, if Saurian's crowdfunding was in 2016, and if Shiftyvee was 11, then that means he is 19. Dang, time flies by WAYYY too fast.
no way he's back
i remember playing this when i was younger and a big dino nerd, it was definitely boring and low quality but it made my younger self happy even if there wasnt much to do in it
even as bad of a game it is, i hold it dear to my heart bc i just cant hate the one dinosaur game i grew up on
well at least its accurate.
I've been waiting too long for the T-Rex to become playable.. I'm no longer interested in the game, nothing is happening, and at this point even if they suddenly jump to action, I don't want it anymore. I'm over it.
like the dinosaurs, its extinct
I think it’s good!
I do not have this game because I do have the Isle for dinosaur game survival but what you can see this genre despite how popular the dinos outside of gaming yet in video games this is a niche category. Life is happening and some projects just dies out slowly while others manage to stay a floa for a while. These games are not Fifa nor Sims nor CoD so the playerbase and potential players are lacking. The market is filled 1500-2000 new games each year so there is no chance for projects to get or keep players.
I cannot comment the gameplay part of this game but I liked the designs and another one newcoming games in similar genre looks good more or less but for a developer that's not motivating if a game have 3-5 players overall. These games minimum should get 1-5 million to be shaped into a professional game but most of these games are indie developed ones and they cannot afford so much staff to finish these projects well. I still wish good luck to them to make the game but much more money needs to make it a pleasing one where thousands or hundred of thousands players would want to play.
Major game studios-publishers does not touch this genre because they have experiences in the form of Rust, The Forest, Ark.
I have this "game," but have never understood how it works. Other than to walk around the very small, dull map and eat and drink, interacting with AI dinos that don't behave in any interesting ways.
Only thing that could save the game is if one of the devs found a lottery ticket
Glad someone made a video about it! I really wished this game was better. It could have been something amazing.
I thought this was going to be a shitpost about like Saurian Animals lol.
This game is just the best Isle, Path of titans contender. It looks so good, mechanics are that nice, it just the fact that developement is heavily slowed down
Ironic that Saurian (late 2013) has been in development for much longer than either the Isle (2015) or Path of Titans (2019j
My biggest fear on rex if it does finally become playable is "what if I just get killed by everything" because I'm kicking their asses easy as a subadult trike
Ah Saurian. The realistic promised dino sim, that wants to be the most accurate depiction of one of the most well studdied fossil bearing formations to ever be (tho tbh theres still alot of work to be done there). And yet one of the most tragic due to the situation with the money getting stollen, the amount of money been distributed and SOME people asking way more money than they should (I get as an artist you need to price yourself high, I am one, but come on.)
Honestly, I think one of the reasons this game hasnt been able to survive as well as others is because it never reached the multiplayer stage that was promissed and unlocked during the Kickstarter. Sure you can only play as 2 Dinos, but so did Evrima when it came out and it still did decently enough. Had that feature been added it might have allowed the game to hold on a bit more firmly than its state now.
I am very sad to see development slow down so much and it does make me afraid they might stop working on it all together. It's got bugs and not so great graphics but I love how they crafted the playables. The playable I'm most excited for is anky.
Heres an idea that possibly could give high risk or high reward, or both...
Making Saurian free
A video from shifty? The Heavens have smiled on us. Or Hell is frowning..
They should have made it multiplayer instead of relying on AI
Don't know what to post so GERYHGFHREUIJGKHGREGBHERJGB
If im honest i really want to play this game but i dont have any hopes for this game anymore it has been 1 freaking year withouth devs showing something of interest if they dont wanna continue with this they could at least say something about this
I was looking so forward to this game. I really hope a team look into this and do something similar. An accurate prehistoric game.
Sadly, Saurian is the mesozoica of the play as dino genre
This and century age of ashes are probably the games im most disappointed in
Just make it multiplayer
No, that will make it unrealistic. Go play The Isle.
rise and shine mr freeman
Saurian's path from a highly anticipated and promised masterpiece to one of the most hated dinosaur games ever made, and not allowed to be mentioned on Reddit, is a sad one. The beginning was a promising, realistic game whose dinos would be the most paleo-accurate and the Kickstarter crowdfunding was a success, but it turned out that one of its ex-developers Oel stole the studio's money and was about to cause bankruptcy. Now the game is kept alive and artificially breathed by a small volunteer developer circle because there is no money to hire employees. At the same time, the players have grown up and are tired of waiting, complaining that Saurian looks like a six-year-old game, updates are rare, the game is still in the Early Access stage and in progress, the Saurian Devblog has been discontinue, and it still uses the Unity's engine even though Unity raised their prices. However, it is difficult to say that if the embezzlement had not happened, the game would unfortunately have been in this poor situation or would have been completed and completed on time.
The game was slow to begin with, I think they're lying. "Oh It's not our fault."
Forgot about this game
i do not like this game
Who made the meme at the end lol
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