Warframe | Why Do New Players Quit?
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- Have you attempted to introduce a new player to Warframe? If they walked away, why did they walk away? What element or lack there of in the early game experience in Warframe pushed them away.
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Have you attempted to introduce a new player to Warframe? If they walked away, why did they walk away? What element or lack there of in the early game experience in Warframe pushed them away.
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Going above 3rs rotation on endless.mission should be hard enough for newbies. The problem is that game doesnt intensify(hehe) you to stay longer after removal of void keyes.
I got warframe yesterday and i love it
Tony Mo I think you have good points, for a specific niche of players. Warframe has a different niche of players, and you are introducing changes that benefit your specific group. Warframe does get challenging, even at low levels. See how long you can run a survival mission, a defense, an interception. There’s challenge, but you have the ye olde problem of you have to seek it out.
Tony Mo I mean there's more challenge mission/raids outside the earth, maybe u and ur brother haven't find it yet. Search The Law of retribution or Eidolon Teralyst those should make u suffer. Secondly, there are more advanced mod than u thought, more better experience or damage u will never have
Well I just have played for a month and I loving it. I guess I'm in the minority
Warframe's problem isn't Earth's difficulty. (???) It's the cryptic, tribal knowledge nature of the game. Too many things require intense wiki diving, and the game doesn't really direct you towards any initial goal, much less explain what potential goals you might have.
Well the point is that you can do whatever you want in the game. You can set your goal to complete all the main quest missions. Maybe your goal in mind is to collect as much plat you possibly can. It is whatever is fun for the player that is playing the game..
Nice try. No you can't. You have to do quests to get frames, but then you realize you need to clear junctions to get those quests, then you also realize you need to RNG to even start the quests.
There's so much no explained to newer players it's boggling. There's SO much they need to explain, but they explain literally nothing essential to know as a new player. Like how to properly relic farm, how to get the bot in discord that tells you alerts, how to farm effeciently, and what not to buy with plat.
Lol bro. No, the illusion of free choice is there. The game only opens up like 50 hours in, once you've unlocked multiple frames, figured out the game, and learn everything from everyone BUT the developers
PlagueOfGripes well, the game is still a "beta" or atleast unfinished at the moment. but you are right, but that is why we have the region chat. now, not all players might know at the start but once they find out it will be more fun to play. i have ober 400 hours on warframe and i still dont know alot about the mechanics.
And fix Earth's tileset too.
totally agree with this warframe is game where if u dont have it explained to you, u end up hating the game and quit playing it. I remember playing the game at first and hating it, the one thing that kept me going was my determination for ember prime. After asking around in the community, i got told how to do things and shared it with my friends so they dont get the same shitty experience as i did
Biggest problem for new players is the fact that you need plat to buy extra warframe slots and weapon slots. They don`t understand how to use trade chat to get plat in-game, so automatically they think it's pay-2-win and quit the game.
it sounds like u know how to sell stuff and gain plat...how??
Not me. I'm talking about NEW PLAYERS.
Yeah, this is the first aspect of Warframe that gave me pause. The low difficulty when starting out was entirely expected, and given the huge amount of information that's thrown at you in a short amount of time, very much appreciated.
But learning that, from the very beginning, I was starting with barely enough inventory space to hold the warframes and weapons I already had, was a pretty big turn-off.
Yes, stuff can be sold for plat, but when you're just starting out, nothing you get is worth much of anything, and the last thing you want to think about is parting with the few items of any interest you might get just so you can scrounge up enough plat to get another warframe or weapon. Not to mention the overwhelmingly spammy trade chat, or having to use third party sites to facilitate trading.
My initial plan was to not buy any plat at all, but I honestly don't think that's very realistic. Thankfully, $20 worth of plat (particularly if you know about, and can stand waiting, for the random daily discount) seems like it could buy enough slots to comfortably play and collect frames for a very long time, after which plat is presumably easier to trade for. And given that the game is otherwise free, it's hard to begrudge them $20.
I couldn't agree with this more, I love playing with and switching between weapons/frames. It sucks that you need to dump plat into the game to be able to have a reasonably sized invintory
do you think as a new player my inventory would have anything worth plat? U can tell me to get good at the game but how long would that take? with just 2 warframe slots and like 6 weapon slots?
I remember quit once this game, I’m not doing that again, when you understand the game’s mechanics it’s just great to play
I’m not going to quit on this game because one day this game will not be free, and I’m not paying for a game
@@randomyoutubecommenter4074 wait, what?
To those New Players don’t be afraid to ask for help. There’s a lot of experienced players who are willingly to help you out.
xGodspeedz yeah thanks I just started this game can u tell how to equip exalted blade I only equip it randomly by accident
Unless you play on xbox. In that case avoid region chat.
Sarim Shabee I am also a new player but try holding R1 then triangle (on PS4) dunno bout the others tho, I only play Warframe on my PS4 TwT
And if it didn't work, maybe keep fighting and try leveling up
Yeah, the community is good, unlike other games
The community is halfway good really even i came across a few toxic and trolling players in the chats and relays. No matter what multiplayer game you play you'll always encounter those type of players so i believe its best to play with friends through missions so you wont get paired with trolls and toxicity players
I am a new player to warframe as of like 4 days ago and to be honest the game is really confusing, they don’t teach you anything. It’s like being thrown into water with out knowing how to swim but I also think if you start to understand that stuff you should be good to everything else and get hooked
well there is the controls in the settings. But not sure if that helps with gameplay. It was just instinct that I should know what to do. My first time playing using excalibur wasn't bad at all and I was teamed up with new players as well who didn't know what to do myself included. but when i just get to play it feels like i know what to do and where to go from. But still they could put a tutorial before they get started with the missions and other things.
tho we all gotta sometimes learn the hard way because when we do we get used to the mechanics and gameplay a lot more.
Yeah, Warframe is a game that relies heavily on its community creating video and wiki content to explain its systems. I'm around 450 hours in and I still learn new things from time to time. I highly recommend taking the time to watch guides from UA-camrs such as iFlynn, Brozime, Leyzar or McGamerCZ to learn a lot of the games basic systems.
I agree with you completely! Watch the iFlynn beginners guide series or something similar it’s basically essential
Everytime i see this all i can say is "oh its not that hard to learn, just play and youll find out" me having over 50,000 hours and having every current item in game i act like people should know the game because after a good 125+ hours the controls become muscle memory
The problem with Warframe is that very early on you understand that enemies don't stop coming and it usually is pointless to deal with them. So when you learn the intricate movement system you just rush through the missions and try to complete the objective as fast as possible, because fighting enemies isn't really that fun, and it's usually pointless.
exactly. Imagine an unforgiving, hardcore speedrun parkour type game with Warframe movement, polished up a bit.
Yep speed through missions, then when you need to lvl gear go into public/friend lobby on a survival map and repeat thats what i did when i started atleast.
No point in killing enemies in missions because HYDRON.
unless you got a sword to split them in half, then its fun
Helene over hydron any day.
"this game is to easy for the first 20hours therefor people get bored"
there i just saved you 12min
Someone please upvote this
I made it 69, your welcome
@@gaso3035 heh nice
Thx
True!
Story, #1 issue is what is going on and what is the point of what I'm doing and who the hell is that? Lol
Ive played this game for over 2.2k hours, and im MR24 (just to get my credentials out of the way). The biggest problem Ive found when introducing new players is that the majority of major systems are unexplained. There is so much to warframe, especially now with the plains of eidolon, that many of the friends ive introduced get overwhelmed.
I also completely relate to the sentiment your brother had of “whats the point.” I had that same exact feeling when i started 3 years ago. I think it took me around 30 hours to understand why the game is was fun. But that problem is not caused by DE not explaining stuff, it is because there is no tangible “point” to the game. Similar to games like RuneScape and Minecraft, there is no obvious end to the game, which makes the whole point of playing difficult to grasp at first. I play the game to collect everything and be as strong as I can, but others will play differently. I dont know what the solution is, or if there needs to be one, but that is certainly a turnoff for some.
Well said and we've talked quite a bit more about this together the past few days. My brother mentioned pretty much exactly what you did with the Minecraft comparison. We don't often get the chance to game together so Warframe is on the backburner for us as a coop experience for now but we decided to revisit it in the summer next year. He's still very interested in the game but willing to admit it requirtes more of his time than he has to offer currently.
Tony Mo Fashionframe. That's the endgame. *Cringe*
the feeling of finding an ayatan in the mission :) ... then the feeling of getting ayatan after sortie :(
JimTheThird definitely you can tell early on there is nothing at the end waiting for you.
Go outside
I tried getting into Warframe a month or two ago. I was thrown in, did a mission or two, was put on my ship, and felt completely overwhelmed. Icons every where, no tutorial, a crap ton of items seen in the market with no idea of what was good or bad. I didn't feel a drive to do missions because the story didn't pull me in at all. It was more like, oh, there's an icon on this planet so I guess I'll queue for that. It wasn't fun for me. I also felt like the core gameplay was lacking. No matter what gun I used, I felt like my enemies just melted. The bullets didn't..pack a punch. I dunno how to explain it. I enjoy games with advanced movement but didn't really enjoy Warframe's. I feel like every mission area was vast, but so much space wasn't necessary because I could just press two buttons and zoom to where the objective was. Maybe I'm too strong on first impressions. Everyone always tells me, "dude you gotta give it time. Get through the bs in the beginning and I promise you'll love it!" But I never want to "get through" something I don't enjoy to eventually, hopefully enjoy what it has to offer later on.
Iniquity Games the "time" is because the story really kicks in later.
Yea when I installed warframe year ago my first reaction was "no. I am not going to play it" but then I tried and I feld in love with this game
i completely agree with you. I tired it out 3 times before i actually got into it. the beginning was hell but my friends told me it was fun so i forced myself through it and it does get a lot more fun the further you get through the game. and about the large maps, its designed that way so there are more things to loot since you don't actually get anything from the mission unless its an alert.
I remember when i started playing warframe, i was like ''oh, i think i saw a video or 2 about thing game in yt, maybe i should give it a try!'', after that, downloaded, finished the initial quest, and was thrown in my ship, free. I saw the market and was like, ''wow, thats a lot of stuff. i wanna give a try to them all, but i dont have credits! better do some missions'' While i was doing missions i watched on my phone videos about warframe, mostly begginer stuff, and the complexity of the game and the amout of stuff for a truly f2p game (specially after discovering premium currency and trading, agains, through begginer videos), i got hooked on. i am the guy that likes tinkering with stuff, strategy games, that kind of stuff, till this day, I only have 2 shooters (excluding warframe), one being BF4 and Titanfall 2, the later i playing a lot more. i was not into shooters, but then came a shooter that let me tinker with my weapons! (even though i only use corrosive and another element in most weapons, but thats because im lazy and i forget to switch the elements). SO, although im sure im not the majority, i liked a *bit* the freedom i got after the tutorial (because there are alot of games that basically are half or entirely tutorials), and LOVED the vastiness of things to do, have, and mess with. Even more the social environment, since one of the main reasons i have a lot of stuff in xbox is because i got help of a warframe youtuber/streamer, and not only him, but his entire community were good people, and that helped alot with the entire grind, so much that sometimes i even forgot i was playing the game (while doing so considerably well, and having fun doing so) with the talking and helping new players coming in the chat, saying things like ''hey, im new to wf, what are the best weapons (for mr #, sometimes even) and i always saying, soma, tigris, those weapons that are op (as always, with right mods, well, most of the time), and if they ask ''where i find X'' i say ''on planet Y'', and even though it became repetitive, i liked, i felt good by helping people come to a game, and with good attitude, and thats something hard to find these days in multiplayer games. Friendly communities, that help new players for the sake of helping, of being good people, and to give a good impression and make the community grow stronger and friendlier. After playing warframe for a long time, the best thing really is, get a bunch of friends (preferably at max 4, because thats the max squad, except for raids), and go through the game together, talking, having fun, getting mods. sometimes you can get tired of the game, but having friends and someone to talk, instead of hearing grinner being mowed down for a entire day, makes the game much more enjoyable, making sometimes you even forget about the game itself. And oh god, this got much longer than i intended! :P
Iniquity please try some Warframe. The tones won't go anywhere & we will watch them die. Use your ronin skills on Warframe.
The biggest problem with the difficulty is when it does spike you will be horrifically unprepared because of the mastery system. The guns that do any considerable damage will be locked behind a mastery grind or a paywall forcing you to either cheese, get carried, or pay platinum.
The hijack missions made me quit
Uuh the atterax is mr 2...
Or you can go grind mastery to rank up your weapons and get better weapons. Some of the best weapons in the game are low mr requirements. Sonicor is mr 2, atterax is mr2, and hek is mr4. These are all really good starter weapons that will carry you to end game.
Source: MR13 on PS4 that has used a Hek as one of his main weapons from Jupiter all the way through to Eris and in Sorties.
@@i_step_on_lego1791 take rhino or do with a friend and switch off every time your shields are depleted too low. If you cant do that, then farm for Rhino (won't take long Jackal os really easy), max him, and then iron skin and you would t even need shields.
Valkyr spectre taught me this the hard way. She hard walled me for a week and half plus almost made me quit.
To be honest, before I started wf I always thought it was a pvp-based game until a founder friend told me its a pve-based so I instantly went for it..And god I fell in love with the game, I had a potato pc but still can run atleast medium settings. 1500 hours in now, still remember the day I first started with excalibur and spams my 1 to kill everything, after I maxed at lvl 30 I thought game was over or there are elite levels like in other mmos( levels beyond the maxed character a.k.a "ascended" levels). Also bout the platinum part...I spent endless amount of hours searching on youtube on how to get platinum for free 😂😂. Then I did my first trade...gosh I was so nervous for my first 5p😅 like "OMG, MY FIRST FREAKING TRADE" after I got some more trades I got my first 35p and I felt so RICH..I can now buy one more wf slot and 2 weapon slots. Today I am just sitting in my orbiter or dojo with over 3k platinum making big trades and barely making small trades as much as 20< or more only. And yeh I got my first 500p at 200hours in. Bought cosmetics, now owned all the deluxe skins and last thing to do for me now its prob finishing my prime collection 😁 and yet not a single cent spent 👍👍
The difficulty of the game at early on its meant to be easy, so that newer get to know the game better and not being killed every time. That would piss people off more and alot more newer players are going to leave the game with the complaint of being too hard. Believe me just tweaking the difficulty slightly will make it alot harder to take some information in and to learn the mechanics behind the game. With the current difficulty its ok, if you really want to go harder go do survival missions and play atleast more them 25 minutes and you'll realize the level-scaling. Also on Extraction missions enemyscaling is even heavier at 15th haul on the lowest level u already get lvl 35 enemies and at 20 hauls lvl 55. Surival 1 hour on lowest lvl nodes is lvl 65-80 and if you are a endurance player like me that goes 2 hours+ u get enemied lvl 300+ or lvl 890 at 3hours and lvl 2000-3500 at 4-5 hours. For new players interest the higher level the enemies the more health, armor or shield depending on enemy type too and also the damage and also more elite versions of enemies with damaging aoe aura around them when get close also drains your energy 😊
You literally explained my story also. Ppl need to see this.
Quite a big chunk of writing I give you a B+
I’ve spent quite a bit of money already, but I don’t begrudge it. It’s a game I can play with my friends, and the development team interacts with the community, listens to us, and supports us. They also give back to charity every year by fundraising through encouraging players to be generous to each other. Warframe has a wonderful community for the most part, and I’ve met some wonderful people through it. Warframe has given me a lot, so I don’t mind giving some money to it to help keep it going. That said, I only buy plat normally when I get a discount, or in something like Prime Access where I get a lot more in value than what I actually paid.
That my story also . Heee almost same
lol i read this WHOLE post. kinda sane for me, i appreciate the fun read
I once tried to introduce my friend to Warframe i had seen your video about first Warframe experiences (jim mo) but as i helped him he refused to learn the game and insisted i play other games with him i told him i liked Warframe and i wasn't going to force him to play it with me but i wasn't going to quit Warframe, he now refuses to speak to me
Another friend of mine i told "you should try Warframe i know you like grindy games and i think you'll like it". I told this friend that i wouldn't be able to help him as we play on different platforms (him on pc and i on xbox). He went and then tried it he came this to me a week later and said he loved the game and that he needs to fix my old pc so we can play together
It just goes to show Warframe is for certain types of people
like some people said warframe is not for everyone
The first person is an idiot for instantly abandoning a friend because different preferences. -He's trash, abandon him-
Better off without him.
That first friend of yours is a grade A bitch. Sorry but he is. Like.....not talking to you for playing a different game?! That's pathetic on his part.
I'll be 100% with you here, the thing that keeps me coming back to Warframe is Quite Shallow's youtube memes.
Yes, the game is fun and all that, but when I'm at my wit's end and just don't feel it anymore, a well-placed shitpost always brings me right on back.
A fellow fan of shy for her shitposts I see.
I started playing this game 3 weeks ago, from my experience things that really wanted me to quit was:
1. game not explaining anything about it's mechanics especially items.
2. orokin catalyst/reactor being so rare. Ive gotten only 1 reactor and 2 catalysts so far
3. game not having actual plot until natah mission
You wont worry about catalyst and such once you start making plat
You can average like 300 or more plat an hour
Tip number 1. Complete the star chart and finish Junctions.
Tip number 2. It's twice as fun to play with friends. If you have none join a clan.
Tip number 3. It's free 2 play so expect a grind.
Tip number 4. If you don't like games like Destiny/Division/Anthem then this game is not for you.
So thats why ive been playing this game for like 3 years cause i love the destiny grind
Who the hell would ever like anthem
i agree with number two iv played with my friend for about a year
Tip number 4 is false because I hate all three of those games and I'm mastery rank 23
I simply don’t like Destiny 2 because of the expensive as hell DLCs, not the grind, the grind was fine mostly.
You need a buddy who will actually talk you though everything... Warframe looks waaay more complicated than it actually is.
Warframe needs a little more "show" than tell in its tutorials.
Leon O'Grian agreed even with the quill faction I had to look up how to find them. When it would only take DE 10-12 seconds to say how to find them in game.
COMPLETELY AGREED!
Yeah, the DE moderators in the global chats know a fuck-tonne of stuff that's really useful.
tbh i took a year break cause it was too ez but then my friend said alright lets go to a high level mission and i will never forget how many times a heavy gunner bitch slapped me
I think the problem is playing a survival mission for half an hour and getting very little valuable items
That's the grind. Excavation mode gives more.
grind
C R E D I T C A C H E
you know the stupid thing about this game?? The Void was the the endgame, it was very very itense!! risk and reward was there, they removed it, now this game became trash, trust me the growing numbers of this game is marketing literally none of my friends no longer log into this game at all been playing for 4 years plus, rank 24's and 25's, i've brought 10+ new players in the game, but as of now , a veteran with 2800hrs i don't see anything interesting now wouldn't recommend it
There's an update coming out soon to fix that, lots of people have been complaining
they always leave because they meet there first twelve hour crafting time , then 72 hours for a frame. a good way to hook a player is to make them look at the frames,ridiculous weapons they can get and , and give them a goal to work towards.
deathbunny It's already a grind to get the materials to craft something; it's dumb to make someone wait to enjoy something you already worked for.
ya but it's still ftp, and once you start making plat in game you can just skip the crafting periods
it think there should be some "rush cards" when you first start the game that you can use to rush stuff for free. it would make the new player's experience much better.
@@danilooliveira6580 There shouldn't even be a crafting time on a ps4 game, those are things for mobile games. Time is valuable
lol ye thats how i got hooked on warframe i saw excalibur umbra and volt prime and i was like "I GOTTA GET THAT RN" and i realized this is a 5 month comment..
I think the problem is not the lack of difficulty, but the lack of diversity, the complaints I have from most of my friends I bring to warframe is that they want to try out other weapons and frames earlier, and I think the game dosn't introduce you to all the different factions fast enough, maybe there's also a lack of narrative, cause vor's prize is kinda boring, like who cares about the grineer, the story starts being interesting at the Natah quest which is after you went through half of the solar chart, they should bring interesting and relevent story elements early on, cause vor's prize kind of miss represents what warframe stands for, imo.
And gameplay-wise, they should give new players a crafting time boosr for thier first new frames and weapons, most of new players feels like they have nothing to do while they wait for thier first new frame to be crafted, and it's at this point that they usually stop playing out of frustration.
The difficulty is not an issue if they new player is playing with a friend that brought them, cause the friend can "taxi" them to harder missions for him to complete with his low gear, and that can lead to some funny moments, so I don't think the problem really lies in the difficulty.
Nah the lack of difficulty is most certainly an issue like the guy said in this video, and even beyond "difficulty" is the lack of engagement. I've tried playing this game on 3 different occasions and at no point did I feel engaged in anything going on: the action is too fast and easy, the missions were too short and confusing, everything looks alien, shit was just happening without my control, and the only thing that seemed consistently easy to understand was that each level had a shit-ton of annoying chests I had to open to collect the loot. They make it so you move through the environment 60 MPH but ask you to stop every few steps to collect mats. I just don't get the appeal but I see it's one of those games you'll enjoy if you just like a power-trip and collecting tons of crap. It's good at making you feel like you're always working towards something better but that isn't saying much.
they have that daily thing
Deez Nutz I quit after 12 days. It's not that the game was easy. It's just frustrating to grind for something and then have to wait 12hrs to 3 days to actually play with that item. I wanted to grind to have more choices of gear and frames and I was super disappointed to have such a limited number of slots for weapons - That's ridiculous! What other game does that, besides sleepy mobile games that then charge you to have more slots?
I was super pissed to sell off my older gear to have more space to use my new stuff, especially since I then lost the ability to use that stuff until I crafted them again.
There needs to be more options and paths for new players to have fun - limiting players isn't fun. Having to grind for stuff is fine, it's why I still play RuneScape after years, but then having to wait to use your rewards shouldn't be a thing.
I knidly request you complete the Second Dream and The War Within quest before complaining about variety.
As a new player I feel like it would be a disaster to add difficulty before everything is understood. Often in the game I'm mowing through enemies feeling indestructible then all of the sudden I die from one enemy, I feel like if this were explained better it could be the learning progression this game really needs
I totally agree I don't think that the game is too easy at the start and people leave. It is the fact that the game is based around how fun you can make it for your self.
Nope, difficulty would make you work out how to optimise your mods etc right away. Instead you can go around killing everthing in one or two hits not having to worry about that. Most players need some challenge to feel like they are doing something worthwhile.
Zanfer the game is waaaaay too easy at the start. I one shot everything, everything literally. I don't even die or barely even take damage. That's not too easy?
TDS have you ever done sorties or sanctuary onslaught or plains of idelon. Try one shooting things there ;)
what do sorties have anything to do with beginning game???? I agree with the people who say the beginning game is too easy because it really is. If it was harder, then people would realize that mods are actually important and that getting new gear is also important instead of running the braton and putting on ammo mods. Modding and grinding for other types of weapons/ warframes is probably the biggest factor about warframe and the beginning doesn't do a good enough job of teaching that. I understand that people also leave due to not having enough knowledge but think about what would happen if the difficulty in the beginning was just slightly harder. People would question "how do i get stronger in warframe?" then they'd google it and find insane amounts of guides and help from veteran youtubers or from the forums themselves. then they'd find out about many things early on like corrupted mods, sorties, active missions, dojos etc.
4 years ago I started and I didn't know what to do or where to go. So I quit I cane back recently playing with my housemates and a veteran told me
"See those blue dots, those are levels you haven't beat yet"
That was all I needed.
same but after finishing all nodes im just like ok what to do now lol
A List of things to do: killing Eidolons, sorties, Kuva levels, fishing, completing bounties in the plains, PVP, trying to get all normal Warframes, Customizing equipment. I find this kind of an issue also, too much things to do.
Gong Zilla I ask the same thing then I discovered the void and it became my second home. Also there were primes lol.
I actually still don't know what my energy meter is, or even if it exists. people seem to be able to keep track of how much energy they have, but I'm always just guessing. I don't know until I jump into a cluster of enemies, try to use my 1, and I hear that tone that says I just fucked up.
trenvert123 bottom right beneath your abilities
new player:" who grinds at 3 o clock?"
me:" oh boy! its 3 o clock!"
😂
hmmm... from what i felt... all the weeks and months i spent doing my starchart before hitting the cinematic quests was worthhhhhhh it... i felt like a loose cannon at first... no tutorials, dunno what's good, what i should get, what frame to pick... (shit i was even stuck with excal up until now and i love it xD) for me, the learning curve for the game is up until the time you get to the cinematic quest... cuz from everything you've learned throughout the game, the resources you have gotten so far will shine there... at the beginning you'll feel like another frame... strong, yeah... but not much special than the other frames... but by the time you get to the cinematic quests... damn... on my experience i felt that i deserve this and i look and feel more special, the feeling where i can individualize myself that my character is my own... and if im being honest... from the beginning up till the second dream felt like the character creation of the game... (no spoiling!!!) very rewarding experience for me....
P.S: if you're a new player... imma give you a tip... set your goals into reaching the cinematic quests... it's gonna take a while before it kicks in... but imma tell you something... it's fucking worth it... for a F2P game with that level of cinematic quests.... ohhhh boi... just take my word for it...
Yeah. I haven't even started yet, but as soon as I heard about how amazing quests like The Second Dream and The War Within were, I knew that would be my main priority when I get into the game; everything else will be secondary.
I just started playing my self a week ago, and as a senior MMO player I really enjoy the "old-school" gameplay - let the player find shit out yourself! The "easy missions" is why I started. I wanted to feel like a god killing ants, and that works for me here. Thanks for a good video mate - keep it up.
Droob Gaming there! The old-school seek-it-for-yourself method! That's what makes the game wonderful
Lol wait till you get chrushed by Bursas.
Droob Gaming but there is a tutorial.... you just have to find it.
Haha thanks mate - I got it under controle :). Btw, get Nidus - you will feel even more like a god!
A better tutorialization is what Warframe needs to grab new players attention more, a little ingame guidance on how to start, thats almost all that is needed. Another thing could be do some cleaning and better organization on the market, there are a lot of outdated things to buy there, and that nobody buys anyways
Oscar Ojeda I honestly feel that the old market was a little easier for new players, because all the areas were labeled out in the open. Want some weapons? The tabs at the tip will take you to them. Where as now with the tabs hidden away, and then when you click on them it pulls out to even more tabs, it can be a bit confusing. I still sometimes get confused by it, mainly because I was so used to the old one after using it for so long.
Then how would they get MR? Or hell if they solo they are royally fucked.
@Oscar Ojeda I agree
Me: starting to play warframe again after so many years with no clue with the game.
My recommendations 2 days later:
I have 3000 hours in Warframe wtb [life] 120p pmo
@Aidennish ok inv to dojo
Those are rookie numbers, pump it up
2130ish hours wtb rivens (and i did this time in less then 2 years
WTS [Orthos Prime] set 50p
If you play it by 6 hours each day, 3000h means a span of 500 days, nearly 1.5 year. Doesn't it terrify you knowing a large portion of your life is wasted on something not even real?
Warframe makes destiny 2 look like a bitch.
agreed
Agreed, even destiny 1 is a bitch compared to warframe and destiny 1 is 18 times better than destiny 2 now that shows how good wf is and how shit bungie have gone
Apophis yeah but warframe is still a thot though
yeah and its fucking free. LOL
Fuck yeah it does.
Jokes on you a square is a parallelogram
shut up
that was a joke I think..meaning different name same thing
*rombus sheesh idk where my head went while i was typing that xD
Chris bromley-west Parallelograms are shapes with 4 sides with each opposing side being parallel. Squares, rectangles and rhombuses are all parallelograms. You just made yourself look stupid
Chris bromley-west a square is both a rhombus and a parallelogram . Don’t be a dick
This is true, Warframe is a very different game compared to other games. Other games need only 30 minutes to an hour to get hooked on but warframe you need quite a bit of hours to get hooked and know what you’re doing in the game
I totally agree with you. Warframe needs to make the low level zome to be a bit more challenging. I recently made an alt account just so that I can relive that beginning part of the game since they have changed a lot since 2013.
The first thing that caught my attention is how weak the AIs are in the low level planets. By weak I dont mean in term of fire power (although thats one factor), I mean how unaware they are of their surrounding. In high level missions, once they spotted you and activate that alarm, you have to be prepare to receive a large amount of incoming fire. In low level missions however, there are fewer spawns, fewer patrols, fewer backups and way less heavy units to cover their fire team. Making walking through the tiles feels very mundane.
They really need to bump the lower level mission's difficulty a bit
missions can get more challenging if you don't zoom to the dropship after completing, it starts a second wave of enemies that brings on the heavies and other advanced units.
That's Defense and Survival and Interception cyco.....
Stop playing low level missions problem solved
Really, I find the beginning of warframe fine. I mean, it's meant for players who said "well, this looks interesting" and downloaded it. In yours and my case, it was really easy, because we deal with higher level enemies, and the likes. I remember I had absolutely no clue what I was doing in the first mission, and it's took me 25 minutes just to complete it. It may seem like it's too easy, but, we're players that have hours in. At the same time, I agree, maybe a 3-5 level jump in difficulty is needed just to catch on to the new players, though, you shouldn't immediately throw them at it. Give them an increasing challenge. I've got nearly 500 hours in, so, yeah.
RzdAkira lower level are like the tutorial. The reason your fine with them like u said its your second account smh. For a actual new player the game is fine.
I tried to get my friend into it and he said, "it's not like Call of Duty"
TheEXGamemaster Wow.....
yeah wow is right
I thought you were talking about games with your friend. Did your friend forgot what you were talking about?
No the issue was that he is obsessed with Cal Of Duty. I tried to get him into something different but it was no use. He quit because it's not what he's use to.
TheEXGamemaster Ew CoD. You need to get him out of that obsession fast. There are tons of other games that are better than CoD.
The PROBLEM is that WARFRAME is overall fuggin BROKEN. The environments, the enemies, the missions, the riven mod quests, just about half of the Warframes descriptions and their ability descriptions are lies because they often do something way different than what the game says it does. And the devs are never going to fix it because they're stuck in the purgatory mindset of "everyone wants what's new" despite everyone screaming at them about the old stuff needing fixing. Thanks for ignoring your players and thinking whatever the hell you want, Devs.
me in 2019: you could not be more wrong.
I introduced my wife, she started off and finished the tutorial, I gifted her a color palette and she never touched it again. Decided she was not a fan of 3rd person shooter with lots of visual effects.
Me and my friends all played for a solid week and then quit. After watching this video these were the things that just turned us off
-Way too easy in the beginning
-Seemed incredibly grindy to get literally anything
-Seemed like we were never going to get anything
-Didn't understand what the purpose of doing missions was if it wasn't going to give us anything.
That's the point of it. The beginning is trying to train you for later.
The beginning missions are trying to get you better by making you kill easy enemies so then you can have knowledge about the harder enemies
Quite literally everything you get from missions is useful in some way because it's all crafting components, the game is easy at the start but what game isn't? It's about being efficient if you don't have the drive to seek out a challenge then why should you be rewarded with one? While I will agree as someone with 600+ hours the game is grindy but that's quite literally the point of the game every game has a certain level of grind to it that you must do in order to progress the difference in warframe is that you have to want to make that better and smooth it out. The game deeply rewards someone who actually goes and seeks knowledge out on their own vs. the knowledge being spoon-feed to you like most other games now a days. The longer you play the better it gets.
Today is my fourth day in Warframe and I think I am going to uninstall. The game is too easy and this is coming from somone who regularly gets his ass kicked in cs:go so imagine what the better players think? If you think its okay for people to complete an entire planet at super duper easy difficulty then you are sadly mistakened. Most of the ppl I know play games for a good challenge and to have fun, both of which are deeply connected. So thats the end for warframe and me. Call me when there is a challenge in the early game, i dont want to wait 100+ hours for challenging content.
That actually makes zero sense no game where you're killing AI are right off the bat challenging. What you're looking for is a PvP experience you don't find it fun to kill AI vs. a player and that's just the kind of gamer you are can't fault that. If you want a hard mission go ask someone in chat to bring you to a higher level mission and you will not live for a second, the game is much much more than just pointing and shooting AI. It makes no sense to right off the bat challenge players in a game where everyone progresses through the same shared missions because players that don't typically play FPS's can acquaint themselves with the game and get used to it, sure it's boring for the first couple missions but they aren't designed to challenge you they're designed to start you out to prepare you for later that is their purpose. You think you want a challenge but you have 0 clue what a challenge actually is in Warframe.
I started playing Warframe 2 weeks ago (Day 15 actually). Currently I'm MR8, and just unlocked Uranus. I don't think the complexity is what puts people off. I personally enjoy being overwhelmed with content and gameplay mechanics; exploring things on my own. I think what puts people off is the lack of story or purpose, and the challenge like you said. I'm a bit different tho, because I didn't get hornet charge or serration until halfway through Saturn, so it kinda forces me to play stealth melee since I can't kill normal lvl 20 Grineer or Corpus with primary & secondary weapons effectively (except maybe the Boltor). I think that's why I actually enjoyed playing spy more than the other modes. The accomplishment feeling I get when retrieving data without setting off alarms, or alerting enemies on the map is just very satisfying. Figuring out multiple routes in solving those spy rooms is also really great. I think I can do the grineer spy mission on Earth with my eyes closed now lol.
A. Haikal Ruslan hahaha same here dude, using mag till unlock the saturn was hard, with her useless ability on hard enemy make me frustated and choose spy, sabotage, and rescue mission than killing/deffending kind of mission. But now I have 4 other warframe 😎
A. Haikal Ruslan how the hell are you MR8 in two weeks?! ive been playing for over 8 months and i have unlucked every bloody planet and void sections yet i am MR7. WTF
Marco Arana I play everyday and I rank up every weapon I can get to 30 for the affinity points (including MK1 weapons). I only keep good weapons, and sell bad weapons like the Braton and heat dagger. I think after MR5, it takes more than a day to fill up the mastery bar. It took me 3 days to go from MR7 to MR8.
Marco Arana mr doesn't mean shit really besides unlocking ability to use certain weapons, but it's not hard if you use affinity boosters and have a ton of stuff to level. And just a side note to anyone touting their MR as in indicator of skill...its not
I just do it because I want to use Syndicate weapons and the Galatine Prime. I'm not enjoying leveling up random weapons either, because I can't use my favorite weapons.
Honestly what threw me off in the beginning was when I finally got the Blueprints to build my first prime frame I had to wait frikking 3 days before I could use it XD
You see Warframe is perfect for me because i don't need much action. I do love it, but it's not necessary. I like to sit there for hours, talking to my friends, laughing from time to time, dominating the ground. And i get really upset when i die and have to do it all again and i loose everything, so having 5 lives and basically being unable to fail makes me happy. It is relaxing and fun, but i guess your brother and many other just don't understand it.
As a gamer who tried out Warframe for a couple hours and quit, I totally agree with this. The beginning is WAY too easy and, more importantly imo, there seemed to be no point to playing! 5:30 is exactly how I feel. If the devs make the beginning more clear, I will totally try Warframe again.
I've spent about 600 hours on this game and about a hundred probably just chatting with people in-game, what makes this game fun is not just gaming but chatting with people thats why I think that the console versions are lacking the interactivness that the PC version has. Back in the earlier days of warframe it was harder to kill enemies and each planet had a boss that was tough AF. They seemed to have removed some of the bosses and put in a new system, back in the days you defeated a boss and unlocked a new planet, now you get a side quest to do that and kill that and obtain that. But once you get to higher levels stuff (Void missions and Relic missions) it gets fun, because you have your weapons maxed out with alot of mods on and your killing enemies level 50+ and into the 100s and if you dont use your warframes abillities then... your dead in a matter of seconds. One thing though which I Will say, they should make more than 2 warframe slots free and 3 weapon slots free, they should give you 10 of each at least, theres about 200 weapons in the game and like 30 frames not including primes.
I would say you should just play out Warframe and see if you are having fun. If you aren't than it is simple, move on to another game. This game is more about what type of goals you set your self to achieve in the game.
There isn't a game out there similar to WF so it's hard to move on when there's nothing to compare it to.
lol say that when I used to hack and slash at bullets trying to not die against Vor in *the* beginning.
So you haven't gone past earth and yet you judge how other planets will be lol
Some more diversity in gameplay maybe. Maybe making some of the "weaker" warframes easier to get in the beginning, and being more transparent about how you can get them.
After 5 hours of gameplay, I had the feeling that I'd be stuck with Excalibur forever unless I purchase platinum. Same goes for weapons, especially once you realize that you can only get 2-3 new weapons before having to aquire new slots etc. etc. etc..
It didn't get much better once I found out that you can trade certain items for platinum with other players, as the items I'd need for that would take me many weeks of gameplay to get (at least that's the feeling I have after 20 hours now). Just... a *little* more challenging missions, a *little* less gear-focused in terms of difficulty and more diversity in the gameplay maybe.
yesssss. literally had to be told that bosses drop warframe parts, since vor (boss on the FIRST planet) you had to be a certain MR! so I skipped planet bosses under the assumption that bosses were nonexistant for early game! ugh
"After five hours I thought I would be stuck with excalibur forever"
You get Rhino parts from one of the first bosses. You get plastids for said boss early on too. Hell, if you can get someone to taxi you to (I think it's Saturn) and do a few defense missions then you'll have the plastids in like 30 minutes. The neurodes are easy too. Go to Everest on earth and look for those pods that are garunteed drops. Done. Rhino can easily carry you through the whole star chart if you have a strong weapon. He never dies. If anything you might be stuck with him forever, lmao. I mean seriously though. Building new warframes early on is NOT hard. I have less than 3 days of total play time and I've earned about 7 frames. I could probably earn more too if I was focusing on it. It truly comes down to not necessarily just putting time into the game, but knowing how to put your time into the game efficiently. To this day I've only bought one frame, the Nidus, because I wanted to give a little money to DE for making such an awesome game free. I also needed the Plat for slots, but that's neither here nor there.
I started off with volt because it looked like the most fun to play with. It was hard though. Killing valkyr was about impossible at my point in the game. Don't even get me started with the damn raptor boss. I still can't kill him without a higher leveled player with me.
Ultimately though, I think it really boils down to how much research you're willing to put into the game to be efficient at what you do. I get it though. It's not everyone's thing. I just get obsessed with things from time to time and it starts to consume me for a month or two at a time. So who knows. Maybe the hype will die down for me after a little while, but for right now it's really the only game I enjoy.
ON AVERAGE: 5 x 1000 Cryotic Excavations = 15-20 relics. 15-20 Intact Relic PUGs = 5-10 Uncommon Prime BPs + warframe.market = 100-150 platinum (on 20p/BP average, more if you luck out and score a rare BP) = moar slots and potatoes. Is the number of frame/weapon slots a new player receives draconian, verging on Naziesque? Yes, however getting platinum is EASY. I have almost every warframe and probably 100 weapon slots and since the relic system was implemented, I haven't had to buy platinum once to hoard/catalyze my frames and weapons.
TL;DR "I barely played the game, and created a million negative, false expectations about new gear acquisition. They should improve this."
The video is literally called "Why Do New Players Quit?". It's literally about why people quit the game after barely playing it.
I know you tried to sound witty and all, but how about thinking before commenting bullshit?
One minor thing they could do at the beginning is to make it clearer which weapons you can straight up buy with credits. I was 80+ hours in before I realized that you could just straight up buy the starter bow, gun, and lex.
just started playing here is my reasons for not wanting to play:
1) wait time for a new frame too long.
2) don't understand where I am supposed to get components (have to look on wiki)
3) even when I get everything I need I have to rank up to a certain lvl.
4) I don't even know what weapons / gear I should or should not get.
5) a lot of items that show up on my foundry I want to build but can't due to w/e reason its very frustrating.
Reasons I stay:
Looks and feels smooth.
I can play with friends
the community is helpful
its free
one more negative it feels like I have to buy everything with plat gets old fast.
i have to agree i had no idea what to get i had to have my friend help me a lot early game
Because they picked Mag...
She's easily the worst starter frame, and has probably chased a fair amount of players away.
Not sure who's worse, Mag or Oberon
Wat...seriously?! This has got to be a joke...Mag is FAR, FAR, FAR worse! This is bait right?
Tremorego you two must be noobs because mag is undoubtedly in the top 3 end game frames
Pfft...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!
But seriously...Mag would be lucky to be outside the bottom 3 let alone in the top 3. Get real, bud.
NutmegSlushin, an MR20 vet here. What made Warframe very appealing to me in the beginning was having friends there to take me on their missions and really show me how fun the game is. When those friends moved on to Overwatch at its release, naturally I was left in the dark to fend for myself from there. However, I adapted and learned to play without the assistance of others. My tip is: Find friends who are passionate about the game to make those easy missions just a bit more fun. You'll breeze through and make it to the meaty stuff before you can even bat an eyelash.
I wonder what it's like to have friends....
i will never forget my first t4 defense. i was MR 2 and joined a clan and one of my clannies offered to take me with them and OMG that was fun and challenging as hell we lasted something like 45 waves and RNGesus blessed us with some sweet loki systems (i got totally carried that day). and that only experience made me stick to the game for these long 3-4 years.
Nutmeg Slushin ..... nicely said. I agree.
Playing solo gives the feeling of weakness and not much fun.
A friend of mine got me into this game like 2 months ago, I've never heard of it by the time he mentioned it to me. And I was just playing for like a week and I told him I wanted to uninstall the game, because I felt so overwhelmed by everything, I had no idea what I was doing, I was modding my frame and my weapong automatically because I didn't know how to upgrade my mods, I was scared of screwing everything up, I never touched my platinum or credits for the same reason. My friend never teached anything, he just showed me the game and left me by my own. Also, it was really boring to play with randoms and sometimes alone. When I told my friend all this, he told me to give it some time, because it takes time to get to the real game. I countinued the next day and got my second frame, which was really rewarding, but it took me a week to get my second frame .-. because no one told me how to do so. It's been 2 months, I have all frames already (including their primed versions, except Excalibur Prime of course), I am mastery level 16. Going through all that, getting those frames, materials, mods, weapons, even platinum to buy things, skins and all that stuff, was really good, but then it gets boring again and once again, I want to leave.
Juan Bermudez did you put money into the game? Cuz I have a playtime of around 900 hours, mr 17 but I still have a few frames left to get and also the fact that every frame has a 72 hour build time (and 12 hours for each of their parts) which is kinda impossible to get in around 3 months without getting the plat to speed things up.
@@muhammadxubair8239 yeah the only they have all that in two months is by buying everything.
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I think the early missions should teach new players to use their speed and abilities more. Whenever I see new players play I normally see them very grounded, slow and they use their powers maybe once in a blue moon. This is especially true for people coming from other shooters with powers like destiny or borderlands which have all their coolest moves stuck on extremely long cooldowns.
Then you have how conventional the beginning weapons are compared to black holes, flamethrowers, explosive disks and virus projectors.
There's a lot of fun to be had just playing with this powerful exotic weapons and characters but most new players don't get that because "Left Click with the occasional E" works and will continue working until at least the mid game.
Warframe is a power trip, you're a super power, a force to be reckoned with. Where other games, especially multiplayer games give you stories of superman, spiderman, batman, vader, obi wan, gundams, predators, etc. and maybe you get to fight along side them. In Warframe you are superman, batman, etc. You're the devastating force, and you're the one to be feared. You're a Super-powered space ninja who can cross dimensions, bend time and move the elements to you whim. You have the genius to replicate and craft weapons of wild imagination.
And you don't get that because the "Boots on the ground" gameplay works too well for too long.
SJ.Fox when I started I had no clue what was going on, but at the time I didnt see it as a bad thing. I like doing research on games I play and what hooked me at first was vor's prize. It gave me a reason to play and gather resources. I remember playing my missions really slowly and stealthly but I had fun! I don't think that it would be so amazing if another player walked me trough everything and it was not understanding the game completely that made it more challanging and rewarding to play but also that more intriguing to explore things about the game I hadn't even known existed.
In the end I feel like warframe isn't a game with where you work towards somthing to have fun but the actual experience is the fun part.
Start game lore gave me a reason to play and "cure my warframe" and seeing others in public matches for the first time made me want to have companions, sentinels and all that stuff. It's all a balance until the 2nd dream that hooks you for sure and the only thing stopping you from there on is burning out or lack of time.
The trouble is you can't really use your abilities very much until your frame is more modded up.
SJ.Fox you gotta remember as well that warframe movement in particular is very free and open. The ‘tutorial’ does teach you every single individual movement technique in the game. Past that; it’s up to the player to experiment and figure the rest out themselves! It would be way too hard to try and explain to a new player how to execute all the complex manoeuvres that are possible with the movement system. New players often get overwhelmed as it is with everything there is to learn. Lumping more shit on them is only going to make it harder.
People just aren’t used to a game that doesn’t hold your hand. Warframe doesn’t help you. It’s your job to figure out the rest!
I mean why would you need hand holding? You’re absolutely right! You’re a space ninja with virtually unlimited power ;)
Feels really good once you master the game's movement.
+glens
Yeah, I think that's one of the main draws of the game. I mean there are lots of great shooters and co-op games out there, and some with superpower-like abilities too; there are also games with great parkour movement. But I can't think of another game that combines both great shooter/superpower gameplay WITH such exhilarating freedom of movement.
I've been playing some other single-player games recently, like Witcher 3 and Prey, and they're both fantastic games, but I really miss having that fluid control of my actual movement, every other game feels sludgy by comparison to Warframe. (To be fair, most other games aren't presenting the player as being such an enhanced superpowered entity, but still, it's definitely a special plus for Warframe.)
Trying to remember what materials you need
It would be really nice if you could set a build item as a target and have the game identify where to find the components in the planet map, or have a list of the components available to you on the mission and how many you need. I mean sure, I can google anything, but it's pretty jarring in that it breaks immersion. And if you make a game where you're a space ninja robot, then you want immersion.
I’ve been playing since day one and I think the thing that turns off most new players is the gap between late game missions and quests vs early game the gap is the difficulty early game is so easy but the late game quests that can be accessed early are very hard to the common player with most of the quests being solo plays
I want to say that PlagueOfGripes's comment was pretty spot-on, and I wanted to expound upon it. Having bounced off of the game multiple times since 2013, and only really getting into it just last year, I would have to say that the game's largest issue with retaining new players is easily the lack of direction or goals for the player, stemming mostly from obfuscation of the mechanics.
It's fairly easy to figure out how to queue up for a mission on your own, and realize that you have to travel point to point on the star chart to advance, but beyond learning how to use the foundry, how to use/improve mods, and how to change your equipment, a lot of the game isn't really obvious at a glance. Such as the importance Mastery on gear, and how it contributes to your overall level; the importance of Forma/Potatoes; how to get new Warframes or weapons; a single thing about Syndicates and how they are the only source of certain mods and weapons; scanning; pets; the Stalker; status effects, and so on. There are so many "information roadblocks" in the game that it starts to feel like a roguelite game, requiring a second monitor and the wiki always open.
Myself and a handful of friends have all had these issues. Particularly for myself, when I was jumping into missions with kitted out players with pets/capes/guns/frames that seemed so far beyond my reach, while I didn't even know how to get a single new frame outside of the Plat shop. Then I saw the performance stats of the better players and felt like I wasn't contributing, which of course isn't fun, so I tried to play missions on my own with my Loki (old account starter) and MK1-Braton, only to realize I was too weak to make any progress on my own after a few missions.
Suffice to say, I think a lot of things compound for a new player to feel like they are in a game that is going to require a lot of investment, and the burn starts so agonizingly slow and cryptic that there isn't an incentive to press on. My view might be a bit skewed because my account is so old that I didn't get to experience the modern tutorials or get a better starting frame when I came back, and was sort of left to just flounder about every time, but most people I ask agree that what the game asks of you is overwhelming when given so little to go on.
For me, as a new player. The story is lack luster, is it there? I have no idea whats going on. Litteraly nothing gets explained to you about certain big things, like abilities and such. The missions are so repetitively boring. On top of that warframes "heavy grind" feels more like lets make it so boring and long to aquire certain things so players will buy platinum.
Im 15 hours in. Given up at mars because im one more defence or spy mission away from necking myself with my one frame and all my resources that build none of the blurprints i have found yet. Haha.
Im still gonna try as my mate wants to to play. But its just.... lackluster.
Shaun Humphreys oh, there is a story. There is lore behind what happened and how things came to be the way they are. It’s all found ingame, in scannable items, codex entries, etc.
The game picks up a bit once you reach mastery rank 3 or 4. That's usually when you get your first few frames and start learning about a good mood set up for your weapons. It's all uphill from there.
the story is Amazing I just finished the second dream and it explains everything but you just have to get there.The Story is much Bigger than you think
You get some developed story missions later on. They should spice the early game a little more though.
you are totally wrong if you can make it to second dream it's the best story I've ever experienced even bigger than games like halo and the story explains everything
Im gonna say it's mostly due to the Grindy nature not being everyone's cup of tea. And at one point I had tried to get my brother to play Warframe - He did for a few days but after he had finished building his 2nd warframe , he was lost, he was kinda just like "well, what now?" And so he got bored and quit. I'm not gonna say that new people need more hand holding , I think the level of hand holding is fine where it is. I'm just going to say that it just wasn't his cup of tea I guess. Although one thing that could be done is waving some of the cool late-game stuff right in front of their faces in some way , just so they know it exists look at it and go "wow that's cool how do I get that!?" So they don't get lost without anything to achieve. Because a lot of the satisfaction of Warframe comes from your own goals that you set for yourself.
The game for me so far (day 10 player) has 2 major flaws.
1: lack of information available on many aspects of the game. I was fortunate to have a guild that has a lot of well learned people who are very helpful to point me in directions to figure out what I was doing. Without them, I'd have most likely become frustrated with how cryptic the game is and just moved on. I constantly have to have the warframe wiki open to learn how a new boss functions (why is everything invincible until the boss does 1 specific animation that allows you to damage 1 specific part of their body to eventually expose a different part that lets you do 15% of their life bar?) and progress.
2: Item availability for completionists. early in the game you are basically stuck with 1 frame, and 1 of each weapon for almost 3+ planets. To make matters worse, a huge portion of the weapons available are legit trash or unavailable at the MR rank they would be good. If my guild didn't tell me to build a Hek or a Vectis early, I'd have probably just gotten bored with the same weapons. Add onto that the Hek literally invalidates 90% of all weapons until endgame and it feels like there's just too many useless weapons in the game. Add to this the fact that Warframes themselves are very difficult to aquire if you aren't being carried by a group to farm the components from bosses/Credits from Index/parts from survival missions and the game literally feels like snails progression early, which would actually hook the people who could enjoy the later grinds.
Overall you just feel like there's nothing in the game for the first few hours and the game doesn't give you any hints or options to improve that fact. Hey you just your first chassis. Go to the Market and buy a blueprint for the frame to find out where the rest of the parts are and what you'll need to build this awesome new frame/weapon. The game doesn't need hand holding but it could use a little bit of info. Even the codex feels lacking at times.
With that said, I seriously recommend getting into a clan and keeping the Warframe wiki open when you're playing. an active clan that knows it's stuff and is willing to help out newer players to overcome the initial grind will truly help new players stick around for the games awesome end game. I'd also consider checking on youtube for recently updated reviews for weapons and Warframes to avoid building useless gear that will not only frustrate you with how bad they are, but cost you large amounts of early construction components/credits that could go into smoothing out early gameplay.
And as a new player, I was LOST. I would always be stuck on the first few planets. I didn't figure out how to get into modding until I did the Vor's Prize quest. If you're new to the game, the Warframe Wiki is your best friend.
They walk away because they think it's pay to win and the game locks you behind a pay wall
PePeIn4k I wouldn't mind that considering it's a free game.
Ryan Croy lol but it is free everything can be obtained or crafted
Well yeah, but if a new player is left to figure this out and figure out how obtaining and crafting all the stuff works it really can feel like you aren't going to get anything without a monetary investment, I think that having a lore type explination for how to build a warframe might be cool, they have characters that could be utilized to guide newer players through all the systems in the game, and if they were made more clear and shown how these things all mesh together as well as get a sense of just how much diversity in gear and frames there are, that could be the hook they need to keep players more engaged in the beginning.
So.... Is it pay to win?
Ink Tim its only pay to win if you want it to be pay to win but not really
I've been playing for a week now (MR6 just started Saturn) and so far I'm enjoying it. But the fact that the *basic* elements of this game are only just slowly coming together with a lot of external research and during the *mid-late* game is concerning. I don't think I would have continued playing if it weren't for the recommendations and good reviews.
Let me put it this way: Hand holding is one thing, but this game takes the opposite to a whole new level. It's not even comparable Minecraft or Runescape in that respect because it's not a sandbox or a social game with that kind of open-variety of content and you can do whatever you feel like doing. You clearly have goals in Warframe; it just takes you ages to figure out what they are.
There's so little direction, tutorials for important functions/mechanics of the game, and so little perceived reward that it feels like you have to be expecting things to get better to be willing to stay. Warframe has such rich lore and mechanics/features that it seems blatantly wasted on the many people who aren't invested enough to cram in a boatload of info about the game, or has the time to do so.
And the difficulty level starting out sure doesn't help when it's so trivial that game seem like a typical grindy one you would pass off. That coupled up with the immediately apparent premium currency on basically all items you can see, doesn't spell out good future expectations if it also seems like a P2W F2P game. To make matters worse, almost all the things you can buy with non-premium credits are stuff you don't even know about unless you know exactly what to search for...
This past week, I've had the Warframe Wiki up 24/7 and been watching UA-cam guides nearly as much as I was actually playing to be able to get a grasp on everything. Warframe does get fun when you finally know what you are doing, and by making plans in regards to your own progression and the gear/mods/warframes you decide to go for.
You might not expect it, but trading with other players is also integral in this game for amassing enough premium currency to progress your gear and your warframes up to higher levels (you pretty much have to do it, unless you pay to win). With that in mind, the paid aspects of the game still seem mostly "fair enough" and you don't have to pay to have an enjoyable experience (although I'd still argue that we should get at a few more free weapon and warframe slots by default).
On the surface, Warframe seems like a casual-difficulty game with a hardcore everything else, and that doesn't make much sense to me from a design perspective. I'd still rather the game have a more consistent challenge curve and better content balancing, but also be more rewarding, especially for non-endless type of missions. Just my thoughts.
KitMellow just letting you know.. since you played warframe for a week.. you have hardly reach a point where the game get interesting.
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The 'rewards' issue is one of the most crucial elements, devs need to look at MHW and learn how to do it. Respecting players' time should be a priority for the early 20 hours of so because that's where the gameplay hook is most important.
The endless missions lacks rewards too. Reward system is an old problem in WF.
Late reply but you literally can't do shit unless you have mastery 8 and above.
At this point I was just starting Warframe and now I have almost completed the whole game
for me, warframe is like getting all these cool and complex mods for a gun. But, we only shoot stationary (sometimes moving target circles. the mechanics is complex but the enemy AI is too simple
When I saw in the video that someone picked Mag. A small part of me died inside.
MasterOfMelons mag is bae
MasterOfMelons a fan of Shy i see
MAg is alot more broken than Excal or Volt. they chose right, learn your frames abilites.
Mag was my first warframe as well #noregrets
Black Hart Vixen No, Excal will always be the right choice. Unless you want to grind Ambulas. Mag is easy to get. I'm talking about the "they chose right" part of course.
Warframe's difficulty doesn't come from the gameplay even in the late game. it's not a game about challenging the player in that sense, it's about giving the play a power fantasy. Being over powered and mowing down groups of enemies is what the game intends to deliver. The difficulty in Warframe comes from understanding the mechanics of the game, Knowing what gear is best suitable to each situation that you might deal with in a mission, Knowing what kind of mods to use to get the results that you want and understanding the best way to use what you have equipped to deal with whatever encounter you face. Not saying Warframe new player experience is good, it's not. But it's not an issue with the difficulty of the game but that of the game not being able explain itself very well. Imagine in destiny you did the tutorial and the rest of the story is progressed through doing patrols over and over again. That's what the new players experience. That was the old Warframe. If you just played the game didn't interact with other players or didn't check the wikis the point where you start to understand what's going on even care about what's going on is probably gonna be when you hit second dream.
I'd feel more powerful if I could fight something that had power at all. I can smash a room full of roombas but that doesn't make me feel poweful.
Agreed
Warframe is not dificult, but dont mistake you being overpowered, with your enemies being weak, even late game, with incredibly overpowered builds, you can die, and die very easily as well, from ancients that can bypass your defensive skills, to nullifiers with their bubbles, and so on.
there are many enemies that will down you, there are many enemies that will resist your attempts, and there are many enemies that you will not take seriously, only for them to riddle you with bullets.
of course, you wont find them unless you really want the challenge, some players even go as far as face enemies that can literally one shot them if they make any mistake, enemies that 99.9% of the playerbase wont even dream of facing. they are there. if want to test your mettle.
I'm 24+ hours into the game.. it's fun.. but yeah.. no point.. after 200 hours i will prob do the same mission.. just with a bigger weapon.. I like slicing enemies with my new Flame/FireSword though.. got it using a promo code.. :D I really hope this is not it.. will i learn more melee combo's and stuff? and how do ppl run so fast in bounties.. i crouch jump jump... but they just vanish.. and 90% of time i have no clue what to do.. i just see ... bounty Completed.. head to extraction.. like.. what just happened.. don't mind cos i get rewards.. no idea what to do with rewards.. but i got it.. :D guess i will unlock planets and follow the mission.. maybe ill catch on.. not spending a dime till i have crafted my own Warframe though.. guess i'll achieve this 80 hours in ..
a few adivces, go to your codex, there's a section there for tutorials, try the advanced movements one. it will really help you out in many ways.
also, dont worry, things will start to fall into place and make more sense once you get the grast of things, if possible, try to complete some missions solo, so you can learn what is going on, dont need to be every one, but every once in a while, its good to train your hacking, or your boss kill.
finally, there's another code you can use as well, give this one a try:
FN6B-8RML-MLH6-GM2N
its a code for a free "basic" vectis (sniper rifle) it will also come with a new skin for it as well.
I brought one of my best friends in to Warframe. He doesn't like shooters, but now he plays it a lot.
I personally gain the most satisfaction in upgrading my character and equipment and making them stronger and more badass looking. Don't get me wrong, I love exploring the game and the story and learning more about the universe I'm in and the characters I interact with and I like cool and complex enemy/boss battles, but I like the feeling I get when I get my character so strong that I can take out most enemies with a single blow. To be attacked by a hoard of enemies and be able to take them out within seconds. It's that feeling of power I get the stronger my character becomes and seeing how that effects the gameplay and the world around me. I really like that kind of thing, but that's just me.
The most hardest thing to do in Warframe on PS4 is making a goddamn trade
It's easier to trade on xbox 1
You or the person you are trading with needs to have a dojo with a trade post there to trade, if not you can ask someone to use their dojo trading post. If not the public trade area is Maroos bazaar located in mars, used to be on earth. The bazaar has an additional trade tax to it
You shouldnt think about trading before MR 5 :)
Focus on learning where/how to acquire blueprints, craft some of the early weapons, get rhino on Venus, Fossa, learn which mods are relevant and upgrade them.
Once youre set up and actually feel at home a bit more in the game, THEN look towards trading.
Hope you enjoy :)
As much as I want to be a 12 year old right now, you make a great point. I started Warframe a year ago and even then, it followed the same pattern of you killing level 1-20 people throughout. Furthermore, it turned out that killing a boss alone was meant to be suicide with just Excalibur. Theres only so much he can do. The thing i hated most was the fact that you had to repeatedly kill the same boss in the hope for some Warframe parts and if the RNG was good, u got them in 4 tries. One problem I did face was the lack of information provided at the beginning. Theres very little actually conveyed to you. Although I found the mod system fairly self explanatory, I didn't understand how you farmed for stuff. Places with more drops like X-farm were a mystery. This caused a stagnation in my progression which troubled me cause I loved the art and the fact that it ran in my shitty laptop :P. I almost quit for good when I met this guy in school MR21 (which was max at the time). He literally carried me to so many new Warframes and resources and thats when I started to love the game. The diversity in both the skills and the design made the gameplay way richer. Right now, I'm MR10 and I've got 3 players in the past to join Warframe. But even before they hit MR2, they quit. That was cause they didn't like the farming aspect where you had to repeatedly do mission till it got boring which is quite understandable.
Having said that however, I find all these things quite necessary to keep Warframe alive. The fact that Warframe isn't soo (right now it probably is) popular makes it unique to a player and makes them feel accomplished in the sense that they've earned it. Persevering and having to deal with repetitive shit and finally getting a rare item is the best accomplishment I've ever felt in a game. yes, it take time. Yes, it gets boring. But that what makes the reward more worthwhile.
This is probably the biggest comment here. Just wanted to share my experience as I really understood what you meant in this video. Great job making this. :D
I like the farming aspect; it teaches you that you need to work in a lot of effort for a desirable outcome, you work towards a goal. It's a human moral, and it may sound bad, but it is truth. Besides, you need lots of stuff anyway, and there's some methods of getting WAAAAAAY more.
Don't all these typse of games require farming? Any game where you want to get loot and level up involves farming. Destiny, The Division, Borderlands, etc. I don't know how farming would be the complaint. Thats literally the model of the game. If you don't like it play a game where progression is based on xp from campaign. Like Doom or Bioshock or something like that.
the problem with said farming is IMHO that it is far too tedious i Yesterday did like a whole day of farming stuff opening Relics doing some Vault runs and after like a Day of playin i havent aquired a single thing that i wanted
Personally ive grown to enjoy repeating levels over and over and over again. Other games I left because of this forged me into loving repetition beyond what I ever thought I would. Subnautica's annoying system of resources helped in a big amount to bring me where I am. I just started playing a couple days ago, and I freaking ADORE this game.
The difficulty of mobile games I grew up with, like Tank Hero: Laser Wars on highest difficulty crafted my sense of satisfaction when when I kill one Grineer or Corpus (A little hyperbole but you get it). So, pretty much Warframe is my best companion right now, along with Titanfall.
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I was farming a mission where Neo N9 relic that had a 5.88% chance to be rewarded 30-40 times and I never got it. I feel so damn screwed over.
For me entering Warframe was like ,,Excuse me, wtf is that and how to use this?" curiosity was a thing that made me go deeper, I wasn't bored on first missions, because i knew I'm getting a step closer to new mysterious content.
I’ve been on and off this game for years now, and my problem is that it drops you in, gives you a quick movement and fighting tutorial and then says “good luck, we’re never gonna explain anything in this much depth ever again”. I spent months just running around having no idea what I was supposed to be doing, how to gain platinum aka this game’s version of “it’s hard to get so you can pay for it you want” currency. How to get more powerful, and for christ’s sake how to stop spending all my time doing nothing but killing wave after wave of enemy in an endless grind. But then I started looking things up this most recent time that I started playing again, because I knew the only guidance on how to do anything at all was gonna get was from other players. And that’s when I was informed that the entire point IS the grind. That the boring wave after wave of slightly increasingly difficult fodder for me to either waste ammo on or spam circle on, was basically the whole game. I realized that all of the three years I spent getting on the game still knowing basically nothing, playing for hours and accomplishing basically nothing, and staring at the Warframe icon wondering what the fuck I was doing so ridiculously wrong to progress at such a snail ass speed, was actually me playing the game correctly. You described what’s wrong with the game from the perspective of someone who enjoys snail speed progression. If I’d known that snail speed was the game’s correct progression rate, I would have at most wanted to have turtle speed. The reason new players quit, and the reason why I spent years wondering what I was doing wrong is because the game gives you nothing more than the tutorial. Everything I know about the game today came from youtube. THAT’S why new players quit. I would have had absolutely zero issues with my progression in the game if I had at the very least known what I was working towards. Instead for years I knew absolutely nothing about what I was looking at. It may be discouraging for some people to look at a more powerful player and think “damn I wish I was that far in the game, I’m gonna go do what I know is necessary to get there”. But it’s enraging to look at another player and “damn I wish I knew what was necessary to get to where they are today, but the game doesn’t tell you what you have to do to get there”. The game’s problem isn’t Earth being too easy, that’s its problem for your brother. The problem for the rest of us, and the reason why this game isn’t one of the biggest in the world right now, is because new players have no idea how to get to where they want to be. And the game does nothing to tell them how. Making sure your game tells you what’s necessary to become more powerful isn’t “holding your hand” or “making it easy”. Pretty much every game at least tells you what you have to do. Even goddamn Anthem made sure you knew what you had to do.
I think you raise a lot of fair points on that early-game difficulty being to low. From the perspective of a Guide of the Lotus, I end up dealing with a lot of new players from all walks of life, and while some actually do find the game difficult early on (and I'm happy to help them), there's definitely an equal or maybe even greater amount who don't.
One of the solutions I've been thinking about for a while is a sort of "dynamic scale" of difficulty where enemies gain strength or special mission modifiers appear if the players appear to be doing too well. I don't have a lot of actual implementation ideas that I still wouldn't find a way to steamroll past (other than covering a room full of Sapping Ospreys to stop movement in a really high level mission where two pulses can bring any frame without decent base armor to their knees, regardless of mod config), but I think it'd definitely be welcomed, and a good way to also give a bit of flavor to the fairly-repetitive and mostly-predictable gameplay.
Also, to keep players hooked, we need "big bads" that last longer than Captain Vor. Some lore-driven narrative with potential game consequences that drive the player from one hostile target to another, and they can discover what they like about the game along the way. Currently, almost all gameplay is on the player's terms, so if the player were to have some larger goal in mind other than discovering the game on their own terms, I feel it would improve the new player experience tenfold. Sometimes, it helps to be told straight what you need to do so you can find what you want to do along that path. I know this because new players ask me "I've killed Vor, what should I do now?" all the time.
what would likely last longer for a starter "big bad" would be loot, take for example archwing, as much as i dont think poe should be so early new players do see various people using archwings and would probably like one themselves. so maybe vors prize or another quest that gets them briefly on the plains and have them see a recorded rendering of players flying archwing with a comment from the lotus
"i wana do that" lotus: "there was an anceint civilization on mars, maybe they still have scematics" (i duno something)
that should be enough to keep them interested throughout venus and murcury with the little mini quest to keep them interested after THAT id say introduce them to poe to keep them on and encourage play outside of poe to unlock the starchart and second dream
MrBubbleSS in my view just make the tutorial in the codex like modding etc a bit more mandatory(make it like a mini quest) with a reward that is not just there to be a reward but having more value.
New player quits warframe not because it has too much grind or something like that, it's because warframe IS grind, people quit when they realize all the missions are a variation of 6 types of mission and because the objetive of the game is build weapons and improve them to get even more weapons and warframes to get even more weapons and warframes.
It's just an advanced version of cookie clicker.
I'm not saying that is a bad game, but the people that leaves early is just because the game is not what they expect to be, sooo... they quit. Maybe if Warframe had a progressive story (and no, lore is not the same as story) that people would stay for more longer.
I never thinked of warframe about being an advanced cookie clicker... now the game is destroyed for me.
If you enjoy collecting stuff, you can enjoy the game.
But isn't that true for all MMOs? Sure, they usually have some sort of storyline, but most people just rush through that to get to the endgame, where all they are doing is grinding the same quests/raids/missions hoping for some rare drops they can use to increase their strength so that they can grind the same quests/raids/missions more efficiently.
Exactly. By that metric, if Warframe is a cookie clicker, so is World of Warcraft.
The game is a third person take on Diablo, not a third person take on Destiny or Borderlands. If you approach it like you would any other more traditional isometric ARPG looter (Diablo, Titan Quest, Torchlight, Path of Exile, etc.), you'll be in the right mindset.
I think if they made warframe pvp more fun then it would probably give people more of a reason to stay because at the moment. There isn’t many things to do when you’re reaching that point when your gear is pretty much maxed out and you’ve got nothing to grind for.
a friend introduced me to this game about 2 months ago, I did the first 6 planets (including bosses) in 2 days. the game does require a lot of googling because all of the things that sound interesting or cool, are either hard to get or just hard to figure out on your own. this does, of course, set a goal for you, but it also may scare off other new players.
As someone who was only very recently introduced to Warframe the game can be confusing to navigate through, I didnt know about getting Warframes or even Weapons but it was fun but the more I played the more confused I got with it. I eventually was able to spend my credits to get the Braton but while I was able to make a significant playstyle change from the bow it didnt feel complete. When I went Mastery Rank 2 that's when it started to click: Mods, Blueprints, Relics, Missions, etc. It took a while for me to find out what Warframe was about but when I finally did I enjoyed it that much more
i think maybe need more story like the second dream
because i think will make huge different
Wierd... we are talking about on of the Top 10 most played games on steam... I'm not sure, I understood the problem. If someone dosn't like a game, well, fine. Nobody forces someone to play on (since it is free, you wouldn't even have lost any money).
The problem in the gaming industry is, that many games, espacially Triple A titles, try to please as many people as possible, which end up being a bit of everything but never be anything special. That is why a lot of Triple A games feel so mediocre.
Warframe is special. It is hard to get into it, yes. But isn't that the challenge? How many times did we felt not challenged at all, because games take us by the hand and basicaly tell us what to do, never have to learn anything.
Nobody said Warframe is for everybody, but a lot of players play the game because they love it for what it is. I can't tell how much time I spend for research to figure things out, but as wierd it might be for people: I enjoy it and many others too. So why should they change something that actualy seem to please a hell lot of people? Of course, they might change here a bit and a bit there, so that everybody is happy, but wouldn't that be the same mistake that many big publisher do?
Don't get me wrong, Warframe is not flawless by any means, but people that love playing casualy, should probably better playing other games. Warframe requires deep research and a bit of dedication to be fun.
The point is: The more players you want to get playing your games, the more mediocre the game will get. Especially if a game is succesful, which definetly is the case with Warframe, why changing?
BCTRGaming Many improvements could be made to make things more clear even for players who like to figure things out. I for example love to not been hold by hand and fell love to for example souls series where they just throw you in the miserable place with no clue.. but this game you are just jumping to random missions which do not challenge you at all and you are just dashing thru shit equipping random shit and then there are some other players in your world melting every enemy around while cheesing some materials while you progress.
Some thoughts to improve the experience imo:
1. Initial goals should be more present and I would put at least some little twists compared to basic grind missions (from second dream things starts to get better but that's way too far to not kill your mood)
2. The main story line missions should not be pubs but rather solo or open for co-op with other people in same spot of progression or then private session
3. More challenge definitely, this also encourages to study everything else around you to find things to make your life easier.
4. Challenging yet rewarding missions should be available alway from the very beginning of the game (you just literally can not challenge yourself before 80h when the harder stuffs opens to you).
These things should be pretty easily achievable and there would be still most left for the people to figure out them selves.
BCTRGaming I think you missed the point. It's not that Warframe is a hard game to get into (doing research on your own), but that it takes way too long until the game becomes interesting. It really doesn't encourage you trough difficulty to make use of the tools at hand - mobility, warframe abilities, purposeful moddin... I could go on.
Only in the later stages you learn how essential it is to combine the right mods and you know managing all sorts of things
I will soon hit the 1,2k hours mark in Warframe
Bananenbauer123 But for some reason, it kept you in the game that long, although it wasn't interesting for you at the beginning? I see where you are coming from and I get your point. My question is, tho, why did you, I and thosend of other players kept playing although it isn't exciting from the start? That dosn't make a lot of sense to me. When I play a game, that isn't exciting, motivating or interesting I usualy stop playing after a couple of hours and move on. So why is Warframe that successful, if everybody belive it is to boring at the first couple of hours?
I initially started Warframe and though it was sh*t. deleted the game. Eventually a year later when a new update launched and I was kinda burned out on other games so I thought "okay let's jump into it again. maybe it's better now".
What do you think why a game like Hearthstone or Overwatch attract millions of players? Because they are extremely easy to pick up, they are way more approachable. Doesn't mean that the games are easy to master.
It's just that you need to unveil that complexitiy in your game in reasonable bits.
In these games you are also comparatively quickly matched with players of your skill level and as such feel great when improving your aim or plan a number of turns ahead, your ability to play a certain Character or Deck.
In Warframe jumping around like a cyber-space-ninja is fun in itself once you can do it properly, but the game never encourages you to do a lot of dodging if due to your superior damage you just kill those enemies without a second thought.
It's exactly how it's stated in the video "What exactly is the point? there is nothing outstanding I am doing here. Just aiming my gun at some puppets"
I talked to 4 close friends and while addmitively they are fairly casual, they all found the game just "meh, kinda boring".
There is also an issue with things you simply CANNOT appreciate. Like how are you supposed to figure out were the Harrow Systems drop?
Exactly, there are only 3 missions in the entire game where they can possibly drop, with a ~6-11% chance, and only when hitting the C Rotation of the loot table.
I mean unless you look at the Code, how are you suppoed to find that out? Why can't they just give us the Warframe components after the quest ends then have us farm specific recources of which we at least know where to get them?
Don't get me wrong. I like Warframe for it's combat (when the difficulty ramps up on axi relic missions in the void at best), and exploring new builds, experimenting with all sorts of weapons, but there is still room for loads of improvements.
Bananenbauer123 Again, I got your point. Still, you've played through the early game and came back, didn't you? As said in my opening comment, warframe REQUIRES dedication, and that is, what makes a lot of people happy. Overwatch or Heartstone are totaly different games. I would never try to compare these games games with warframe specificly. Especialy since Overwatch and Heartstone are great games on their own for their very own reasons. I just belive that a lot of people love to research and figure out stuff on their own, which warframes clearly offers.
However, my point is still standing: Why is Warframe still so popular and has a very healthy playerbase with a growth since it starts, while other popular "accessible" games like BF, CoD, Destiny or Titanfall are stalling after just a couple of months?
In the end of the day warframe obviously still attracts new players and while not every player stay more then 100h, there are still players that are up for the challenge and stick with it because they love it for what it is.
Not bad for a game that is older then a year. The playercount speaks for itself.
If there is any change, that I may would change for the early game, it would be a link to the warframe.wiki to crucial menues, for people that aren't aware of google. Tbh, if people don't want to do research, warframe is the wrong game for them anyway.
When I was new I quit because I didnt see much of a purpose outside of getting warframes. After how farming bosses over and over again I got all the base frames and didnt know what to do, so I quit. Seen a video on youtube a year later, thought ' i played that game' and redownloaded. Later i found out about mods, events, primes, the lore ect is why I keep comjng back.
I just started playing last week and I love the game. I kick myself for not trying it earlier. That being said I had two other friends start playing at the same time who also love it. Our biggest issue is as new players there is so much content in the game you can get swallowed up in it rather quick. The three of us have no issues researching things about the game but maybe other new players just don't want to have to do that. We have searched how to trade, trade tax, creating dojo, how to mod, what is polarity, riven mods, etc. I love it. The vastness of it keeps you going. I played a lot of Destiny and Destiny 2 and I still love and play Destiny 2 as well. That game will never be considered complicated with its modding and sub-class setups and yet you still have people that cannot get those simple things adjusted in that game. Now have them move to Warframe. Its like teaching someone to swim by throwing them off a cruise ship in the middle of the Pacific ocean.
Hi, as a player with 300 hours I can say that my biggest issue with Warframe is stuff to do. No , not that there isn't anything to do, but that there's too much stuff to do. I normally find myself tired of thinking about everything I can do. And then I realize that I've been spending more time thinking about all the stuff I can do, then actually doing it.
Damn same :3
WAIT I FIGURED IT OUT!!!!
Beginners dojo... think about it. Basically take the trade chat, recruit channel and public chats and turn them into a social space that has more in common with a Dojo than a relay. Aka different shops for different sections on the market. You could link quests to specific vendors for example: “How to mod” or “what’s a relic” and even link existing quests like the Kubrow and archwing quests!
I think your idea can compliment the star chart progression for new players. Hopefully DE reads this and implements a new cetus like area with more NPCs or existing ones. It can also be an area where clans can start recruiting new players.
Well i doubt DE will see this random post on a random video. Maybe itll get enough up votes or shares that DE notices haha. That would be cool.
Bro, a Dojo relay, an experienced player who takes the role of sensei picks up a squad of three newbies and shows them every rope they can all in a grand gymnastic mat of of a social area.
I have recently started helping a couple new players and the biggest issue I have come across is learning to mod properly. In particular, one of them has just hit the Jupiter Junction difficulty spike because she isn't upgrading her mods at all. Doesn't read well either so the probably help, but the biggest thing I would say is make the mod system more accessible. I remember my first time fighting Valkyr trying to Jupiter and she wrecked me.
What kept me from playing this game for the longest time was the lack of inventory slots and realising it requires plat to unlock which made me think it was a pay to win kind of deal. Later on a friend told me you could get plat through trade but new players wouldn't try that because they didn't have anything good to trade for plat so for the longest time I had choice of staying with 2 inventory slots and severely limiting myself until I got to the good grind spots or actually cough up some cash to get more inventory spots, for warframes mostly, since I just kept selling weapons that I lvled up to max as soon as I found a new weapon I wanted to grind. I realized later on that you can get more slots by increasing mr as well but that reward is so few and far between. Maybe if they allowed a slot to be unlocked every time your mr was ranked up and you choose which slot to increase, then the beginning lvls wouldn't be seen as pay to win and a lot less restricted.
I'm 60h in, have 3 level 30 Warframes and want to quit playing because I just don't know what to do next.
I mean, I *want* to play (gameplay is fantastic and a ton of fun), but I don't know why I should continue playing.
And I think it's their F2P model backfiring in my case as having to wait 24h for a gun or 72h for a Warframe I don't know if I'll like is quite bothersome... So I end up using guns I don't like just because they cost me time (and resources) to craft.
That's just an awful experience to have :/
That's a thing that really sucks about Warframe, cause time is the most valuable thing you have and when I want to play a game I want to play a game not wait for some random thing to finish crafting. It's like many mobile games, "you have to wait for 5678h for your building to finish constructing and then farm for another 12h to get materials to craft and wait for another thing you might or might not like.
It's a really shitty system.
You don't get the point. This system is there so that you have a goal and the prolonged build times are there to build apprehension.
You're definitely encouraged to use guns and frames you don't like, because that's how you build mastery rank. The interesting thing about the game is that there are usually low-mid level activities that are still profitable, even when you've progressed far into the game. Get a weapon that's not very effective? Play a few low level missions with it, get the benefits of ranking up your MR, and throw it out.
Sometimes you'll find that, once leveled, the weapon you thought was crap is actually pretty effective. But the point is that, eventually, you're supposed to try every weapon the game has to offer, even if you ultimately settle on a small collection.
there are certain mods that are incredibly HARD to get. and make lvl 40 enemys feel like mud. there are prime warframes that you can get. prime weapons. prime couriers. waiting 72 hours isnt mutch if you try and get those itms in the meantime
That's a fair point. As a new player looking to build a new piece of gear, you might be able to look at the stats. however, you can't really play-test what a weapon feels like, which is arguably about as important as the stats. So you end up making some weapons that you like, and then have to choose which gun to throw into the wood chipper to make room for something that really doesn't suit your play style. What's more is that progression is nebulous, and it's almost like you have to make a to-do list before you start playing if you want to achieve anything of note in a given play session. It's not like a standard Shooter where the game is simply the mechanics, but instead you glean a lot of the fun from trying to mix max builds, or make something fun to play, rather than just making the best of the mechanics presented. This means that you'll have to do a lot of missions that you don't particularly enjoy just to get to some content that you might enjoy more... and if it turns out to be a dud, then into the wood chipper...
The movement system was enough to get me through the beginning of the game. Then i just stayed. Hundreds of hours later i still love this game. I will say tho,the further in you get the more enjoyable it gets.
Edit. The massive list of unlockables also drew me in. I love unlocking new shit in games lol
Joelř Medeiros its so good
Exactly this
Parkour 2.0 is beastly.
As a relatively new player to warframe (about 10 hours in and currently going through mercury), I think the game is really cool. Although I started in 2018 (I picked it back up recently), I initially couldn't get into it partly due to my initial thoughts of the game being paid to win and me having no idea what to do. I had no idea how to work mods and found no way to really gauge if I really made progress into the game. Though after coming back and watching a few beginner's guides, I found out what to do and it made getting back into warframe much easier. I'm really enjoying the game now and I hope I make a lot of progress!
I've tried and failed to get into Warframe a few times. Last year I started learning it and logging in daily. Thanks to a random stranger I made some solid progress but I just get overwhelmed again and again and again by the vast amount of... STUFF. Orokin, Endo, Nanites, Plastids, Forma, Kubrows, clans, etc... and its super scary seeing people on the region chat speaking in weird abbreviations I don't understand.
I think the problem is that it looks and feel like a fast pace looter shooter... but the loot gives no meaning for new players.. why do I not get weapons? Or armour? Why do I have to wait 12+ hour to craft? What is mods? And why do I need to make them stronger?
All this.
I’m just reading these comments and realizing how freaking bad I am at this game...
“Oh it’s so easy, it needs to be more challenging...”
What?! I’m rank 12, have beginning equipment, really bad at multiplayer, going against the Corvus, and still has no idea how to get standing?!
😂😂😂😂😂
Nitrous you are not mastery rank 12
He said only Rank, not Mastery Rank.
@Nitrous
Tips:
Find a Clan
Grind resources with public lobbies and friends
Make new friends
Chat in the chats
Make use of the Recruiting channel
Standing is done from doing Syndicate Missions from the Navigation menu
Really bad at multiplayer? Learn teamwork and communication. Microphones help *TREMENDOUSLY*, just don't sound like a bitch.
To get new equips, either replicate parts or blueprints from a clan's arsenals, or get some fresh bp's from the market (DO NOT USE PLATINUM)
Corvus is a Corpus-based enemy, so invest into a hard-hitting IMPACT-based weapon with high DPS you can modify and add better crit mult/dps. Bring a tank.
RedYoshikira Thanks man, this’ll help a lot!
corpus
When a lot of us started playing, the game didn't hand you your first mods and the enemies quickly became a pain in the rear end to fight. Old earth for example, took you to the desert. Which was the first place you could really get a couple important mods as well as materials. The problem was that you had these new players without health and shield mods, fighting grineer that loved to proc slash damage. There was little you could do it seemed.
But hey, i turned out fine. I love the game, and love what they've done to it. Personally, i feel that the biggest wall for new players is actually the addition of the liset. The old menu system was much easier to wrap your head around and understand everything at a glance. oh, i need x. Ill just find that planet and go there. Easy.
Relying on wikis and videos to explain your game is a catch 22. It makes barrier of entry for new players very difficult but at the same time having information outside the game creates a community for the player base.
All I want in Warframe is a better sense of objective and lore, less grind, I haven't finished another game in a while because of Warframe.
Edit: I'm mastery 16.
lol i actually like the grind the thing i hate is the long ass build time
Chuck David Build time is awful, not being able to build several forma at once (or the stuff for clan weapons) is worse.
Don’t forget to mention the outrageous mastery rank locked builds
xClew Some stuff being behind mastery is to prevent noobs from getting end game weapons at the beginning.
The grind insane if you want a weapon or warframe, but one thing I just absolutely love about warframe is it’s lore. Imo the warframe lore is really nice and worth doing the missions and watching the cinematics.
I'm quite new to warframe, I instantly fell in love with Rhino, but realized how much time it will take, but I didn't quit because of that, in the words of John Cena, never give up.
Mr.Meemay well hello my brother
Mr.Meemay do u play on Xbox, PS or PC?
mfw rhino is "hard" to get
meemay. Rhino isn't that hard to get you know?
Rhino is super easy and is also my favorite.
My problem is that there's no better frame for me and I don't want to switch. All the other warframes suck to me. I didn't want to play them, so couldn't progress.
I agree with you 100%. I just started playing Warframe and still only got 12 hours of gameplay but i started with 2 other friends who already quit after 2 hours.
The problem in the beginning was definately the difficulty where the missions for us was a race to see who was able to get the most kills. 1 of us only got a few kills a mission because he hadn't nailed the bulletjump-thing and wasn't able to get to the mobs before the other had oneshot them.
Im still playing cause i want to see what the game has to offer and what sort of challenge it might provide later.
WF's problem isn't really grabbing new players, it's more like keeping them. Like i entered a clan with 20 people and now i'm the last person left who still plays coz everyone else just ghost quit including the clan owner xD
I look at Warframe more like pokemon than halo since its more about getting everything in the game than bieng difficult
the fun is actually in the grind , the satisfation could come from a certain mod ur farming for about 3 hrs and finally getting it for example
Kareem Shabaka warframon gotta wear them all,gotta wear them aaaaaalllll warframon!!
Kareem Shabaka 3hrs BOI the real grind is farming nidus systems for 3 bloody months
Marco Arana or riven mods
Hah 3 hours? I am farming for rage for 2 years
You probably joking, but check out warframe market website. You can find it selling at a reasonable price.
It seems too "random" for the people I tried to introduce. They kept asking "what's the point again?" There should be a recommended "quest line" from the beginning that takes a player all the way through to whatever the highest level quest is at the moment. They don't do a good job answering "why?" except "Hey, this is a cool game you get to run around really fast and shoot stuff."
AJ Walker There is tho
I love Warframe, but there isn't a significant "why" answered until well into the game and you get to unlock the lore quest lines. Other than that, you get to choose where you go to unlock nodes on the planet to get to the next planet that leads to .... what? Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of the game, but it's hard to get new players into the game when the "why" is buried (or delayed) for new players in my opinion.
The only problem i had as a new player was that there was an overwhelming amount of things to take in. Warframes , mods, different weapons , building frames different ways, huge star chart and huge variety of items to farm.
Warframe has a lot of potential, it’s just that the devs REALLY need better beginning tutorials, when it comes to the mods, crafting, enemies types etc. W/O in game guidance, I’m sure 90% of new players really want to stick around but end up getting confused or overwhelmed. Why struggle in Warframe when you can go start playing other games like Destiny or Borderlands with better new player in game guides?
No new player should have to resort to a game Wiki to understand basic mechanics. It’s fine advance gameplay, but if you are forced to use it for basic understanding of things, the game is too complicated for its own good.
I just recently reinstalled Warframe and just yesterday, I found one new aspect of the game, that made me quit in the first place (but I'm still hooked :D).
First, as many other commentors already said, you are completely overwhelmed after completing the first mission. There are mods, which can be fusioned, which takes two different resources and you have to keep track of your mod capacity as well. Then, there are all there weapons and stats. So many missions, alerts, rifts, sorties, nightmare missions, etc. Not to forget special mods, like auras and stances. All that is just too much and should be slowly implemented and explained.
Second: As you said, you are thrown into a vast world with countless systems to learn, but you don't know, what you should focus on (and, tbh, it's kinda hard to stay focused), so you just start doing random shit. This can get really dull after a while. This is made even clearer, when I think, that after 110h of game time, I still haven't completed the "Howl of the Kubrow" quest, but more on that later.
And third, there's difficulty. My wife and I zipped through Mercury to Mars in a breeze, then we took on Phobos and Ceres, no problem. We had several Warframes and weapons on 30, a lot of resources and mods and then... BAM! The Raptor on Europa happens.
This mission is supposed to be level 20-25 I think, but we couldn't even kill two of the raptors before we ran out of ammo and died. In our best Warframes. Geared specifically towards this fight. And we can't progress any further, because we first need to clear this boss. But the game won't tell us, why we failed, even if all our gear is leveled higher than the mission,
The same goes for the story missions. I can't hatch a Kubrow, because that requires Nanospores, which I can only find on Saturn (I think), which I can't access, because I have no idea how to kill the boss.
This was very hard to take, because it was all so sudden. We had no problems up until this and now we've hit a wall x_x
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Pc btw
for the raptor usually it's recommended to use a powerful shotgun, but there's a great alternative. The redeemer is a relatively low MR weapon with nice stats and I still have mine in my inventory to this day. It requires the dual skana and (I think) a vasto pistol to craft, after about 12-24 hours, it's ready to use, max it out and mod it for damage, mine has viral and heat damage, viral being a combination of cold and toxin damage, the good thing about the redeemer is that it's a gunblade, its charge attack(when you hold down the melee button) is a shotgun blast, 10 pellets in a quite tight spread, back when I was fighting the raptor with excal I think it took only 1-2 shots to take one raptor down. Also the redeemer does have infinite ammo. Goodluck with the Raptor, hope you and your wife make it to Saturn to get some nano spores(you can also probably get them on Uranus and Eris, also Maroo in Maroo's Bazar offers a weekly ayatan hunt which you can take part in for a sweet sculpture which you can fill with ayatan stars and then either use as decoration on your ship or sell to Maroo for endo which is a pretty valuable resource later in the game. Once every two weeks the ayatan hunt takes place in the Orokin derelict tileset from which you can get nano spores. Good luck to you and your wife. And also one last thing, the boss on Saturn, General Sargas Ruk(which Ruk's claw on Mars is named after) is quite complex since you have to be observant in order to notice his weak spots.
EDIT: Changed "with a nice stats" to "with nice stats" I still can't believe I left that mistake.
Fucking Raptors. They still give me nightmares until today, even if I can kill them easily with my Mesa's Peacemaker or Tigris Prime.
A year ago, the first time i fought Sargas Ruk with my friend, we didnt know how to beat him. After almost an hour my friend decided to look into Google while I kept Sargas Ruk busy XD.
What if there was an Episode System introduced in Warframe after you get the yellow bolt off from Prize of Vor.
Like for instance, create a storyline where you learn that Captain Vor survived his encounter from the last part of Vor's Prize Quest and you are asked one goal: Finish Vor once and for all!
However, in order to do that, you will have to go through Venus to thwart a special deal between the Grineer and Corpus:
A Corpus fleet has decided to create a prototype for a weapon system called the Jackal and trade it to the Grineer for profit. It is with this that the players will get more acquainted with who the Corpus are.
As soon as they destroy the Jackal, they now move to Venus to take on Vor and it is at Venus where we get more hints behind the Grineer and the Twin Queens.
We could lead the players more efficiently in Warframe through some sort of Episode System.
Good ideas. If there was some guidance and a storyline linking the various planets it would make the experience more immersive for new players.
I just started playing about a week ago. A friend found it and told the rest of my 'gaming group' about it. He showed us a couple of vids that were VERY stylized (canadian manga?) and showed characters running,jumping and almost flying through the air on what looked like a perpetual speed run. I had doubts right then. But, my friend was so into at least trying it out that I agreed, though it was tentative. Then I saw an Angry Joe vid that showed someone playing the game at a slower and more involved pace. That really picked up my interest. I started out and ran into immediate problems. First, just trying to get it installed somewhere other than my 'C' drive was a problem. I had also seen that this game's flow was meant (IMHO) to be accomplished with a controller, not keyboard and mouse. I tried to get a controller working but Steam didn't give adequate support for the only controller I had. An XBox wired 360 pad. Itried a lot of thngs but none worked. Using the keyboard and mouse was a pain even though I hadn't actively gamed with a controller in years. Almost quit right then but, I kept thinking I wanted to give it a fair chance and actually play for 5 to 10 hours before giving it a Yay or Nay.
I actually managed to get through the 'tech' challenges and start playing. The mythos was a real presence in the game, but it was a hidden presence. I didn't understand a lot of the terminology or references, was clueless about the mechanics, totally lost as far as mods and frame types, etc went. Even the basics of advancement and progression were a seeming deep mystery to me. But....I kept playing because it was the first game in a VERY long time that allowed me to go super stealthy or full on assault or anything in between. The movement style that seemed like such an immersion breaker at first wasn't because I didn't use it much. The "jumping puzzles" weren't really that. They were ways for you to get from point A to B without being seen OR without exposing yourself to fire. As I started to enjoy the game more, I started wanting to know more about the world/universe I was in. As I learned, more of what I saw began to make sense. the more I learned about the mechanics, the more I realized that I didn't really need to know as much as I thought. There was also a wealth of material on the game and a really open and helpful community. the more I learned the more I wanted to incorporate it into the game which was a continuing, upward spiral. The game seems a little bit grindy at times but I haven't spent a dime yet. Not because I don't want to, it's because I don't have extra cash right now and....I don't need to. I've been playing every day for a week and a half and I LOVE THIS GAME!!! I'm just about to transition into my 2nd frame, and it's going to take 4 or 5 days to build it. I don't mind because I'll know much more by then and I love the frame I'm in right now and can do much more with it even though it's "maxed out". Because it really isn't. This game is a really strange animal that justifies itself more as you experience it more. Just when you think you've got something mastered, a new situation or foe comes along and makes you feel like a complete amateur......and wanting to become equal with what you've run into. Right now, the more I learn, the more I realize how little I know and how much I want to know more. In my book, that's a frackin good game indeed. Sorry for the wall of text but you asked. I gave it a few hours, now it's been 10 days and this game is on my permanent board. I never had a clue how much fun, and how challenging it would be, to play a Space Ninja/Spec Ops character until I found a game where that really works.
So far, I've been playing warframe for 15 days. I dont have any serious issues with the game, my friends that have tried the game have been telling that the game was super grindy so I knew what I was getting myself into. One thing I'll say is that the game holds your hand in the way you dont necessarily need it in some ways but in the ways you want the game to guide you isnt available like knowing where items spawn in, and sometimes the objective marker messes me up, etc. Most of the force that pulls me towards the game is the whole game design and the fun gameplay where I can just turn off the brain and kill enemies