Who tf else will But to be honest none of these people can be charged but Idk he has done it before. We will see you after 2 hours play back speed at 2x
@Julie Fortune When i'm refering to litterally imagining a fictive character, for the sole purpose of them having bad arguments that i can take appart, i'm pretty sure that's the textbook definition of what a strawman. Unless you wanna talk about mens made out straws, but i'm not sure how often that's gonna come up tbh.
@@bobpope3656 How is that a crazy belief? If someone walks onto your property and you say "Leave or I shoot you!" and they start just sprinting at you, you think it's crazy to shoot that person?
@@Keviamaya Of course Destiny is allowed to post cringe content. I never claimed otherwise. Or even the kid is if he wanted. I didn't mind the posting of it in the slightest. My point was that he is a horrible debater and age nor degree of how sheltered they are shouldn't be a factor in whether one can criticize their actions.
@@FullMetalAtheist Bud Im just making a cheeky comment about how sheltered he is, not implying anything bout ya :v But also if im being real i think Destiny’s community can be a bit harsh on who Destiny debates. A lot of these comments need to chill with the kid.
@@Keviamaya Well that's cool with me :). I agree they probably are at times, although I personally never have or felt the need criticize anyone he's ever debated, it's just in this specific case due to how bad this kid was.
~ 1:54:00 when cutsleeve asks, “what do you mean when you say, ‘the science is settled?’” destiny’s response informing him that cutsleeve was the one to use that term is priceless 😂
Zoomer: Keep reading, the article will prove my point Also Zoomer: Stop reading! The article already proved my point. There isn't any more context please stop reading reeee
Interesting how at 15:00 the kid says he likes dealing with 'Extreme hypotheticals' but as soon as the elbow hypothetical comes out 46:00 he suddenly can't comprehend it.
@@breakingpoints4019 Destiny do subscirbe to morals, just not objective moral statements. Which Cutsleeve say he doesn't do either, but it really seems that he do.
I was the same. Now Im very much aware of how fucking stupid I am. Dunning kruger effect at work. If he never cringes at this shit then he never got smarter
@bob pope Usually when someone over-generalizes a whole group and claims they share a common characteristic or attitude that person is projecting. An idiot accuses everyone else of being an idiot.
@@peach_of_justus ADHD meds are usually some type of meth/speed, which usually makes people hyperactive, but with people with ADHD is seems to do the opposite, making them more mellow and able to focus (which imho, is highly debatable if that's actually in their best interest, coming from someone who's ex-partner worked with kids with ADHD and they just seemed smarter to me, getting bored with what the teachers were talking about and wanting to off and do their own thing etc). The pro ADHD med case would be that they think they do more good than harm (debatable as i said), and are therefore justified in giving it to them, even though they can't consent, while heroin would be seen as something that tends to do more harm than good, or at least has significant associated risks, and so therefore would not be justified in allowing children to have it.
Tbf if I was talking to Destiny or someone in his community you have to be stupidly cautious about your every statement and position. When I hear that question normally I think "No, that is an intentionally ridiculous hypothetical." If Destiny fans are nearby I think "hm, how would I justify my stance if they questioned me further on this? Is there anything I am missing for how this could be a good thing? Well if..." It can turn into a headache real fast if you aren't careful.
This dude so far misunderstands what destiny is saying and also has a massive misunderstanding of reality that I can't believe he's real. The only thing that is making me believe him is that he was fucking born in 04
@@ThePthiiflf I think he's on the right track, and if he keeps it up, he'll be a well reasoned young man relatively soon. Someone like this who tries to engage, especially in relatively good faith, won't end up too insane imo. He'll probably grow out of the edgy rightwinger phase like the rest of us.
A few months ago, destiny asked a question. "Do you think that if you travelled back in time, and explained everything that you now know to 15 year old you, would 15 year old you listen?" I was not expecting to see a live action of Destiny and 15 yr old Destiny
The whole “intelligence vs maturity” part of the conversation is so hard to listen to. There are so many different facets or “types” of intelligence. This kid seems to think that there is some quantitative level of maturity that is allotted with a certain standard deviation of IQ. Maturity is all relative to experience, having a higher IQ will definitely help you adhere to maturing faster. But if you have no external forces making you grow then you’ll still be immature.
Seriously, this kid has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. I took an IQ test in fucking 1st or 2nd grade and it was 144. That's super high. Am I supposed to be able to join the military at the age of fucking 7? I still had absolutely no fucking idea about what it would really meant to lay my life on the line and I probably would have cried a lot and missed my mommy. Like, what the fuck? Also worth mentioning that despite my IQ the amount of times I've been called immature in my life is unquantifiably large. I really don't think the two are heavily correlated and it depends almost entirely on your life experience.
@@maxw984 Not to mention I.Q. tests are set up around age groups. People don't have a stabe I.Q. lasting large swathes of their lifetimes, especially during developmental years. There will still be consistency of course but between 1st grade and 6th grade you could have dropped massively due to a variety of factors. Or someone who started out behind in first grade can end up slightly above average by 6th grade depending on environmental factors.
not to mention the kids arguments for no age limits for children joining the military treads dangerously similar ground to the pro pedo stance; that age is a bad litmus for averaging a child's ability to comprehend risk and long term impacts of an action because its pooooooooossible find children with 1-2 cognitive traits an adult would have).
Yea that part had heavy subtext fibes. His argumentation betray his internal views on himself being more intelligent than others, and therefor better in every way that is important to him, like maturity. It made me cringe, as I used to be similar when I was younger and I overidentified with "being intelligent".
Its funny because this is the exact type of argument you can see a kid making. When he gets older he is gonna cringe at this conversation that's for sure.
You know what’s even more painful?? Forced integration, which is what all you fucked in the head liberals want... and oh how natural it is huh, to forcibly integrate different sections of society instead of allowing people to do what they naturally want to
Destiny has three forms and you have to beat each one to move to the next. Form 1 - Calmly playing video games Form 2 - NNONONONONOSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOSTOP Form 3 - Stops playing the video game and gets out the notepad
I honestly love seeing Destiny talk to kids and have them engage on some intellectual level with his points, discovery of positions and challenging of ideas from a young age is something I enjoy heavily and like to see promoted.
@Mario Mario how does calling someone a child dehumanize them? and yeah, uh, generally there isnt anything wrong with dismissing opinions of children. Hearing this would piss me off if I was still 16 as well but while children shouldn't be treated as idiots or anything, their input on most things is usually pretty useless, considering they have (for the most part) never participated in the real world.
@Mario Mario again, I understand getting pissed off that adults dont take you seriously when you're a kid, but there are plenty of good reasons for that, even though that might piss you off you should probably try to reconnect with reality
@Mario Mario Saying kid once as a subsitutive word to refer to people who are underage = dehumanizing people and promoting intense discrimination, dismissing their human value and removing them from intellectual discussion, dismissing their views on society, culture, and economics, expressing that their viewpoints are invalid and moot, and making prejudicial assumptions as to someone's intelligence. I guess. The only person who needs reevaluation here is you if you're going to revisit past/present discrimination and intense feelings of being dismissed based on age and feel strongly attacked by someone using 'kid' in a UA-cam comment without any moral loading. I even added that I enjoy intellectual challenging for kids and underage people because I do, this shit's crazy bro.
This kids isn't mature or smart enough, yet, to engage in these conversations in a serious manner. He keeps running away from every hypothetical without ever learning why he was wrong in the first place.
Like most conservative “debaters” these days, he’s not interested in learning anything or coming to a better or even shared understanding of anything. He just feels he is smart because he can easily parrot what he hears on right-wing UA-cam, and he probably “researched” the topics by memorizing a lot of bad-faith “here’s what the left says and thinks” videos...and then he comes at people like Destiny thinking if he can get just one gotcha moment, he - and therefore his “side” - must be superior and right about everything all the time. It’s why all these conservatives Destiny debates all day the exact same thing. And make all the exact same bad analogies but they never learn from each other’s failures. Because to recognize failure would mean they have to admit they are wrong and maybe shouldn’t just blindly swallow whatever right-wing UA-cam tells them is fact.
Zoomer: embryos are persons Zoomer: it’s ok to respond to stealing with deadly force without notice ... Zoomer proceeds to kill any toddler who comes into his house and touches his PS5 controller...
@@swagcat51 he is not dumb, he just has the typical dumb ideas smart teenagers tend to have. I’ll concede that my comment was ignorant because I wrote it half way through before he started with the m&ms shit. I’ll reject the disingenuous qualifier :)
@@Steponlyone How many toddlers are physically able to commit burglary, let alone open an unlocked door by themselves? If your premise is intentionally absurd for shock value, it's not made in good faith.
@@Messiahs yeah, you can tell everytime destiny explains something he gets so excited because he thinks that he cought destiny on something "yea yea yea, i dont care"
Really enjoying Destiny's pivot toward rhetorical effectiveness. These are so much less stressful to listen to when it's just people *talking* rather than yelling. Also, holy shit this kid is sooo young. He's the best debater he knows and has the best moral system 😂
@@leajey4279 I feel like Destiny also doesn't totally understand why child soldiers are wrong, like, it's really messed up to force the enemy to shoot children... That's something I think terrorists in the Middle East have done which traumatizes American soldiers... Like, you don't really want soldiers to be afraid that the child running up to them isn't strapped with a vest that's rigged to explode, that's kinda like the war crime where you fake a surrender in order to get an advantage... It results in people distrusting those who surrender and just killing them instead of taking prisoners... So it's not really JUST about the effects on the child who is made a soldier, even though that is an issue too...
Dude is like, 5 years old. What's unethical is allowing kids to post cringe on the internet before we've resolved the question of whether or not people have the right to be forgotten or not.
The way this kid debates is infuriating. Constantly looking for gotchas, never engaging with Destiny's hypothetical or finding ways to weasel out of them, then pretending to be good faith and 'only trying to see what destiny believes in'. I feel like the kid i doing that thing Destiny mentioned where he riles him up and then when Destiny gets understandably annoyed, he acts calm to try and appeal to the audience that Destiny is being emotional.
I watched this debate live so I don't have the time stamp, but I remember laughing so hard when Zoomer was refusing to engage in Destiny's hypothetical (touching m&m's) after Destiny engaged in his "people blowing up Capital's" analogy.
Don't know what others are seeing that I'm not. All Cutsleeve did here was to make Steven tired, and me as well. This "debate" was horrible, with endless gotchas, meanderings, and hypotheticals and with no actual resolution to any of the points. Steven wanted to come to some understanding, but the kid was having none of it. Everybody keeps saying he engages better than most, but he really doesn't. Rob Noer engages better than this kid. He just obfuscates, pivots, and throws infinite hypotheticals at you until you drop dead from exhaustion. It was painful enough the first time around, I doubt many people would put themselves through it again (even many of those that say they liked it).
I dunno, he definitely is doing that, but it also seems like he’s open to learning and changing at times. I hated this kid in panels, but he seemed like a kid learning and informing his worldview here.
This is literally Destiny trying to educate a 16 year old. Props for him to have the patience. No other streamer even try's as hard. Also, is it funny or weird to Destiny that every large, medium, small, and tiny streamers is so influenced by him that he has spawned a million wannabes that he now is trying to fix. lol..
It's a classic smart kid that overestimates their intelligence a little humble pie would do him wonders. He seems smart but is being held back by his ego.
He did... He straight up said: "My moral system is the best because I am the greatest debater I have ever met and no one has defeated my hypotheticals so my system must be best."
“This seems hypocritical, Destiny....” “No it’s not and here’s why.” “Okay let’s move on to the next topic and see if I can get a dunk on you there instead.”
why are so many zoomers "into politics" to this gross degree? imagine being a millennial wasting the potentially most fun years of their life running around trying to debate people against the Iraq war in 2004
We live in pretty contentious times and there's a lot of evidence pointing to the fact that the future is going to be incredibly turbulent, so it's only natural kids would begin to take an interest in trying to understand how everything fits together and what their place in an uncertain world might be.
@@werewolf4358 we never weren't in contentious times, to feel the time you are living in is more important than any other time just because you exist in it is only self-aggrandizing or somewhat solipsistic or narcissistic. kids, in general, aren't really taking an interest in the functions of government or policy, but rather downstream opinion-news media commentary, political theatre and youtube "debates" which lead nowhere.
I liked the one from the debate panel they did where the guy gave the hypothetical about all of humanity's consciousness being put into a pig and then would it be unethical for aliens to kill the pig... Or something like that...
So if a guy has infinite amnesia and can teleport through time, then can he steal infinite amount of bikes? Me owning a bike shop : Welp, I cant shoot this time traveler because he does not seem to remember me warning him.
Feel like this kid just wants to win an argument and he doesnt give a shit which argument he's actually winning he just gonna take whatever opposition to destiny because this kid thinks himself the best debator
This guy is trying so hard to "win" this debate, that he's bringing up ridiculous hypotheticals and being completely uncharitable to what Destiny would reasonably think. It's insufferable to deal with people like this, so kudos to Steven for that.
@@drakkletannon the difference is he is using them to argue a completely different point from the way that destiny originally used them. For instance the kid uses the infinitely stealing argument to try and assert that notice is not needed when using deadly force, while destiny used the argument to advocate for using deadly force to defend property with the one rule being that said person stealing needs notice before being killed. It may not seem like an important distinction but the way the kid uses the argument is much more unrealistic and it seems like he doesn't understand how or why it was used in its original context.
It would be a very good debate. Both are great debaters, fast speakers, and pretty much fall on the opposite sides of the political spectrum, though Destiny is still a capitalist.
@Hersh Z True, like that HBomber meme of Shapiro on rising sea levels. Shapiros opinions are incredibly dumb, but people think he sounds smart because he speaks quickly in complete sentences.
At the end, when they start talking about IQ and Maturity it feels to me like the kid just wanted to get some validation for his feeling that he is smarter and therefore more mature.
My favorite part of this was at the end when Destiny was explaining no matter how smart you are, experience matters. The kid saw the name Carole and said “Cah-ro-lay”
Here in the UK, a friend was asked by an Aussie with regards to the whereabouts of a town called 'lugabaruga'. It transpired that she was actually inquiring about a place called Loughborough (pronounced luffboro). Strange, but true.
This guy took the "infinitely doing X" concept from the Big Joel conversation and is just slapping that shit on everything lmao. If the requisite intervention is literally "hey stop that" it's not infinite free reign, bruh.
This kid will grow up one day and understand how gets lost in weeds more than he thinks about his positions. It's clear he's just curious and confused through most of the conversation.
This whole conversation: "Destiny supply me with rhetorical ammunition so I can attack people I don't agree with, because they hold political positions that I don't understand...I'm going to try to entrap you with 'gotcha questions' and potentially use you as a proxy to levy my attack by the way."
huge interegation and he was so looking for gotcha's . He is young so I assume he just he was owning the libs, but doesn't look like a genuine discussion from his end.
When I was in high school my older brother used to constantly say, "Dude, you gotta shut up. You sound stupid". Never thought I'd be grateful for those comments but this video helps.
@Mario Mario because a lot of us had really shitty opinions when we were 16. I was an anti sjw centrist who parroted some bigoted stuff. You are only starting to understand politics at 16.
@Mario Mario As a teenager his brain is still developing and his opinions are still more malleable to change. He's not unknowledgeable like a toddler would be but it's more understandable that his views aren't fully formed than it would be if he was a full-grown adult.
@Mario Mario That's why I said "teenager" I wasn't defending the use of the word "child" or "kid" I was defending giving the guest more leeway because they're younger. Of course, it depends on the person but the younger you are the less likely you are to have concrete opinions. That's not necessarily a bad thing since it usually makes you more willing to listen to other people's points of view.
@Mario Mario I think people are more saying that they dont agree with his takes but are giving him lee way in the sense that they hope or could imagine his opinions will change over time to some thing people believe more? People arent writing him off because he is young, they are writing him off because they dont agree with him, but unlike an older person they would give this kid the chance in the future to get back on the page, because his takes may change with age.
@Mario Mario I get your point about people who are senior citizens having a cognitive decline. Not to get too political but in my opinion, both Trump and Biden showed some signs of this. The main difference between cognitive decline and cognitive maturity for me is that maturity is more predictable. We know that people's brains fully mature sometime in their 20s. This is true for almost every person. That also means that almost every teenager doesn't have a fully mature brain. That's not to say that their viewpoints are "invalid" or have to change but that they are more likely to. For cognitive decline, there can be other causes besides getting older. A football player could get CTE, a soldier could get head trauma from war, people could have early onset Alzheimers, just to name a few. I think it's harder to give an age to cognitive decline than it is to give an age to cognitive maturity because of examples like the ones I listed. I never said that the guest had an invalid opinion. Maybe other people said that but I don't remember saying that. I'm basically saying that it's easier to understand there being holes in his logic since he's not a fully grown adult. That's not to say that his argument has holes or is invalid because he is younger (which is what I think you thought I was saying).
This guy is the epitome of a debate bro/debate lord. I'm not sure I've ever seen someone work so hard to find disagreements about everything. If Destiny said "kittens are cute," he'd say "ok ok, gotcha, but wait what about..."
I disagree with the kid on almost everything but damn considering his age i have huge respect for him. He stayed mostly calm he tried to honestly engage with everything destiny said and he did a somewhat good job presenting his perspective.
To "solve" this supposed military maturity/intelligence conondrum, instead of lowering the age for the military, why wouldn't he just support raising the minimum IQ??
Sometimes I wish someone would make a TV show about a world, where all these debate-hypotheticals are actually happening. Imagine the episode with the Korean Grandma defending her Tootsie Rolls....
Zoomer: "Semantics are dookie. Now let's ignore the context of our discussion and I'm going to argue that you actually wanted me to define 'bigotry', not 'discrimination', and that's a red herring."
Destiny is a god, not for his debate skills, but for the infinite amount of patience it must have taken to get through over three hours of talking to this kid.
2:30:25 the perfect moment that just proves how bad faith this kid is. Despite previously using the jubilee video argument and Destiny stating that he was referring to discrimination as a form of bigotry, the kid continues to use this same argument because he knows his position is untenable but refuses to concede to it.
Even worse, he then proceeds to completely ignore the core conflict in the next hypothetical and instead makes up some weird ass straw man position. But by that time, Destiny had checked out so he didn’t really push him on it.
Honestly, so far it's been better than most of his recent debates, this 16 year old seems to want to engage with the point and act in good faith however dumb his arguments may be.
@@italianwaffle5592 Debating in of itself isnt something I appreciate To anyone that knows Steven positions(I have less that 6 months in this community) this was just an headache...this was simply hours of trying to find issues in Stevens positions, nor finding out the best alternative for an issue Unlike Vaushs debate this was worst since we didnt start in an inconsistent position
@@italianwaffle5592 you really think so? I am only 1 hour in but it seems like hes throwing out one extreme hypothetical after the other and doesnt engage with any takes destiny gives at all.
@@italianwaffle5592 Kid lost me at "because my moral system is the best" What's the point of arguing with someone, who argues from a position of being right by default?
I have to wonder if this kid would levy the same criticism at Candace Owens, or a vegan who says they're vegan online, but eats meat full-time offline.
Honestly the kid uses his brain more than most people, but he gets too hung up on odd bits of the hypotheticals and ignores the abstract concepts they represent. The m&m dispenser stood out. Like you understand there's a difference between stealing and touching an m&m dispenser? Well duh, but we're not actually arguing about an m&m dispenser...we're arguing about the concept it represents in the given scenario
But I think that was his point. Just because doesn't think people should always be notified before being killed for violating someone's property doesn't mean he accepts every single lethal force rule in the defence of any conceivable violation of property.
Do you think Destiny can turn this kid into a liberal?
Who tf else will
But to be honest none of these people can be charged but Idk he has done it before. We will see you after 2 hours play back speed at 2x
:)
Obviously he can
If not you, nobody could. Big ups from EU!
I’ve debated Cutsleeve before... I feel like he could be reformed a bit
Destiny could move him to socdem
"I'm the best debater I know, I never lose because I never admit I'm wrong, therefore my beliefs are correct".
I'm the best debater i know, i only argue with strawmans i make up in my mind when i'm in the shower or i can't sleep.
@Julie Fortune straw herring
@Julie Fortune When i'm refering to litterally imagining a fictive character, for the sole purpose of them having bad arguments that i can take appart, i'm pretty sure that's the textbook definition of what a strawman.
Unless you wanna talk about mens made out straws, but i'm not sure how often that's gonna come up tbh.
I can't tell which of the two ego filled, never admits they're wrong debaters you are referring to here
@@cosipurple HOLY SHIT. "Straw herring," fucking incredible, mate.
"there might be a deaf community of children that are infinitely hopping fences" pretty much sums up the debate
This is one of those comments that only make sense if you have suffered through the entirety.
I cannot believe Destiny bit that bullet tbh
This made me laugh way harder than it should of
I thought this post was a joke. I just hit that part of the debate and am laughing my ass off.
@@bobpope3656 How is that a crazy belief? If someone walks onto your property and you say "Leave or I shoot you!" and they start just sprinting at you, you think it's crazy to shoot that person?
Destiny: "It's hard to imagine being bigoted _intentionally_ while toleranting someone's existence."
This Zoomer: *"I don't care. Dookie."*
Zoomer is gigs-Chad and destiny is BEYTA
best comment
Whats a dookie btw?
@@lucasgoncalvesdefaria7121 I think it’s shit
@@lucasgoncalvesdefaria7121 its a poo poo
This person is unironically the kinda person other people accuse Destiny of being, a debate lord.
Except a horrible one.
@@FullMetalAtheist I mean he is 16 and he seems really sheltered. He is allowed to post cringe.
@@Keviamaya Of course Destiny is allowed to post cringe content. I never claimed otherwise. Or even the kid is if he wanted. I didn't mind the posting of it in the slightest. My point was that he is a horrible debater and age nor degree of how sheltered they are shouldn't be a factor in whether one can criticize their actions.
@@FullMetalAtheist Bud Im just making a cheeky comment about how sheltered he is, not implying anything bout ya :v
But also if im being real i think Destiny’s community can be a bit harsh on who Destiny debates. A lot of these comments need to chill with the kid.
@@Keviamaya Well that's cool with me :). I agree they probably are at times, although I personally never have or felt the need criticize anyone he's ever debated, it's just in this specific case due to how bad this kid was.
This guy cracked the code, he realised that if he just tires Destiny with dumb statements he will eventually agree, genius.
As genius as bringing out food as a distraction, kids going places
Lol, "I guess you concede"
Destiny: "yeah, sure, whatever"
Kid thinks he's a lot smarter than he is. Chalk it up to inexperience.
The fact that you can hear in his voice that he thinks he’s making a great point with every question gets funnier and funnier to me.
~ 1:54:00 when cutsleeve asks, “what do you mean when you say, ‘the science is settled?’” destiny’s response informing him that cutsleeve was the one to use that term is priceless 😂
@@veespa_ Ok Simp
BRUH OBLIGATION BRUH
@@Rom3TV what a weird little comment to leave
@@WorkingForTheBarrels he was hoping we'd cut ourselves on all the EDGE it contains.
Zoomer: Keep reading, the article will prove my point
Also Zoomer: Stop reading! The article already proved my point. There isn't any more context please stop reading reeee
Trump "count the votes, stop the votes" energy
STOP THE READ!
Conservatives either have no data or articles to back them up or take shit out of context in order to back them up. Every. Single. Fucking. Time
@@ProperlyGaming just "conservatives"? Just that side of the spectrum? You sure?
@@gaussminigun No one said just that side of the spectrum
Zoomer: 'Please change your hypothetical so it's easier for me to be right.'
Interesting how at 15:00 the kid says he likes dealing with 'Extreme hypotheticals' but as soon as the elbow hypothetical comes out 46:00 he suddenly can't comprehend it.
Hr said it was not a good analogy because he felt steal was obviously wrong but destiny says he doesn't subscribe to morals.
@@breakingpoints4019 Destiny do subscirbe to morals, just not objective moral statements. Which Cutsleeve say he doesn't do either, but it really seems that he do.
He likes pushing extreme hypotheticals on others, lol.
This kid think's he's the smartest 16 year old to ever live.
In 2 years, he wont recognize himself.
Facts
Hopefully.
I was the same. Now Im very much aware of how fucking stupid I am. Dunning kruger effect at work. If he never cringes at this shit then he never got smarter
Everyone's been through that phase
@bob pope Usually when someone over-generalizes a whole group and claims they share a common characteristic or attitude that person is projecting. An idiot accuses everyone else of being an idiot.
"libertarian centrist" is the one of most American phrases i've ever heard
@Draevon May it means anyone can do whatever tf they want until this guy takes issue with it lol
@Draevon May 🤣
What is destiny's email?
I honestly cannot keep up with all these scuffed political labels and abbreviations americans keep inventing.
@M S thank you
"Should someone be allowed to sell heroin to 5th graders" "hmm let me think about that" bruh what
Why do you hate children
@@peach_of_justus im curious what this analogy proves
@@peach_of_justus
ADHD meds are usually some type of meth/speed, which usually makes people hyperactive, but with people with ADHD is seems to do the opposite, making them more mellow and able to focus (which imho, is highly debatable if that's actually in their best interest, coming from someone who's ex-partner worked with kids with ADHD and they just seemed smarter to me, getting bored with what the teachers were talking about and wanting to off and do their own thing etc).
The pro ADHD med case would be that they think they do more good than harm (debatable as i said), and are therefore justified in giving it to them, even though they can't consent, while heroin would be seen as something that tends to do more harm than good, or at least has significant associated risks, and so therefore would not be justified in allowing children to have it.
Tbf if I was talking to Destiny or someone in his community you have to be stupidly cautious about your every statement and position.
When I hear that question normally I think "No, that is an intentionally ridiculous hypothetical."
If Destiny fans are nearby I think "hm, how would I justify my stance if they questioned me further on this? Is there anything I am missing for how this could be a good thing? Well if..." It can turn into a headache real fast if you aren't careful.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Why not avoid all that and answer the hypothetical and go on a journey to see if you actually believe what you said?
Zoomer, implying the answer is obviously no: "Would you play a game where the most optimal skillset is already chosen?"
WoW Classic gamers:
I still play tic tac toe too. I don't care if the meta's been solved.
This dude so far misunderstands what destiny is saying and also has a massive misunderstanding of reality that I can't believe he's real.
The only thing that is making me believe him is that he was fucking born in 04
That was exactly what i thought: WoW classic basically proved that people want to be more powerful over having more freedom.
@@ThePthiiflf I think he's on the right track, and if he keeps it up, he'll be a well reasoned young man relatively soon. Someone like this who tries to engage, especially in relatively good faith, won't end up too insane imo.
He'll probably grow out of the edgy rightwinger phase like the rest of us.
@@123370 AND IT'S AWESOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
A few months ago, destiny asked a question. "Do you think that if you travelled back in time, and explained everything that you now know to 15 year old you, would 15 year old you listen?"
I was not expecting to see a live action of Destiny and 15 yr old Destiny
good meme
He's in the Endgame of Dooky, now.
Basically 15 year old would try to take him down 🤣
If I hear the word “infinitely” one more time I’m gonna rob a grandma
You put them on notice therefore you may rob them. I understood the conversation.
infinitely rob a grandma until you're told not to?
@@daffyuser Yeah apparently the grandma hasn't heard of 911
I was more annoyed by okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay
dookie
The whole “intelligence vs maturity” part of the conversation is so hard to listen to. There are so many different facets or “types” of intelligence. This kid seems to think that there is some quantitative level of maturity that is allotted with a certain standard deviation of IQ. Maturity is all relative to experience, having a higher IQ will definitely help you adhere to maturing faster. But if you have no external forces making you grow then you’ll still be immature.
Seriously, this kid has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. I took an IQ test in fucking 1st or 2nd grade and it was 144. That's super high. Am I supposed to be able to join the military at the age of fucking 7? I still had absolutely no fucking idea about what it would really meant to lay my life on the line and I probably would have cried a lot and missed my mommy. Like, what the fuck? Also worth mentioning that despite my IQ the amount of times I've been called immature in my life is unquantifiably large. I really don't think the two are heavily correlated and it depends almost entirely on your life experience.
@@maxw984 Not to mention I.Q. tests are set up around age groups. People don't have a stabe I.Q. lasting large swathes of their lifetimes, especially during developmental years.
There will still be consistency of course but between 1st grade and 6th grade you could have dropped massively due to a variety of factors. Or someone who started out behind in first grade can end up slightly above average by 6th grade depending on environmental factors.
not to mention the kids arguments for no age limits for children joining the military treads dangerously similar ground to the pro pedo stance; that age is a bad litmus for averaging a child's ability to comprehend risk and long term impacts of an action because its pooooooooossible find children with 1-2 cognitive traits an adult would have).
Yea that part had heavy subtext fibes. His argumentation betray his internal views on himself being more intelligent than others, and therefor better in every way that is important to him, like maturity. It made me cringe, as I used to be similar when I was younger and I overidentified with "being intelligent".
Its funny because this is the exact type of argument you can see a kid making. When he gets older he is gonna cringe at this conversation that's for sure.
01:16
Destiny : I’m beginnin’ to feel like a Rap God, Rap God
48:39
After the 100th "okay", I okayed myself in a Video Game
@@dsquarehead0175 nah 48:13
@@atlaskinzel6560 thx
1:05:24
"That's... cringe!"
25 minutes earlier: "I am the best debater, and that's why I'm right."
Yeah but it’ll be fun to see his reaction to that clip in a couple years when he matures
"I am the best debater which is why I should be able to impose my moral system on others."
@@dininelbourne Holy shit yeah god i cant wait for him to realize how cringe he is
Is the debate bucket so low that Destiny is now debating with random high schoolers?
He saw shaperio and crowder debating college kids and thought college kids might be a bit hard to debate.
People scared of debatestiny
Hes fucked either way. Either he debates a high schooler and you call him out or he avoids the debate and gets called out.
@@10snelson i think they were joking and not "calling him out"
Well they were in a panel together.
The amount of times "dookie" and "blasted" were used in this convo just made my day
Do you transcend if you were also sitting on the toilet for part of it?
same, i was impressed by his timing and usage of the word "dookie"
nah dude he literally said “okay” 200 times
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- Socialism Shapiro
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Wow, I like these topics.
Crowder Abortion? based
"I'm the best debater I know."
...
"American kids don't know stealing is wrong in France."
Destiny said this was going to be painful, and he's not one to lie.
it was sooo painful... i watched it live...
Bullshit this was funny af
@@askechadd2473 It was painfully funny.
@@harrisonthompson yeah im skipping out on this one..
i was a dumbass and watched it live. 😂😂
You know what’s even more painful?? Forced integration, which is what all you fucked in the head liberals want... and oh how natural it is huh, to forcibly integrate different sections of society instead of allowing people to do what they naturally want to
Destiny has three forms and you have to beat each one to move to the next.
Form 1 - Calmly playing video games
Form 2 - NNONONONONOSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOSTOP
Form 3 - Stops playing the video game and gets out the notepad
You forgot the final form Form 4: i love you
Levels of confusion
Form 4 - Jumping back and forth in a game.
I honestly love seeing Destiny talk to kids and have them engage on some intellectual level with his points, discovery of positions and challenging of ideas from a young age is something I enjoy heavily and like to see promoted.
@Mario Mario he is. He is only 16 years old
@Mario Mario you must also be 16. 16 year olds are children.
@Mario Mario how does calling someone a child dehumanize them? and yeah, uh, generally there isnt anything wrong with dismissing opinions of children. Hearing this would piss me off if I was still 16 as well but while children shouldn't be treated as idiots or anything, their input on most things is usually pretty useless, considering they have (for the most part) never participated in the real world.
@Mario Mario again, I understand getting pissed off that adults dont take you seriously when you're a kid, but there are plenty of good reasons for that, even though that might piss you off you should probably try to reconnect with reality
@Mario Mario Saying kid once as a subsitutive word to refer to people who are underage = dehumanizing people and promoting intense discrimination, dismissing their human value and removing them from intellectual discussion, dismissing their views on society, culture, and economics, expressing that their viewpoints are invalid and moot, and making prejudicial assumptions as to someone's intelligence. I guess. The only person who needs reevaluation here is you if you're going to revisit past/present discrimination and intense feelings of being dismissed based on age and feel strongly attacked by someone using 'kid' in a UA-cam comment without any moral loading. I even added that I enjoy intellectual challenging for kids and underage people because I do, this shit's crazy bro.
This kids isn't mature or smart enough, yet, to engage in these conversations in a serious manner. He keeps running away from every hypothetical without ever learning why he was wrong in the first place.
Doesn't even have the life the experience to understand when some is placating him vs actually agreeing
Like most conservative “debaters” these days, he’s not interested in learning anything or coming to a better or even shared understanding of anything. He just feels he is smart because he can easily parrot what he hears on right-wing UA-cam, and he probably “researched” the topics by memorizing a lot of bad-faith “here’s what the left says and thinks” videos...and then he comes at people like Destiny thinking if he can get just one gotcha moment, he - and therefore his “side” - must be superior and right about everything all the time. It’s why all these conservatives Destiny debates all day the exact same thing. And make all the exact same bad analogies but they never learn from each other’s failures. Because to recognize failure would mean they have to admit they are wrong and maybe shouldn’t just blindly swallow whatever right-wing UA-cam tells them is fact.
I thought it was a black woman
Conservitives arn't mature, or smart enough to engage in these convos. Just in general, not much to do with this particular kid.
@@gisten7818 I actually thought this dude was kinda solid at debating idk
Corall
Destiny: how do you pronounce it
C-o-r-a-l-e
Destiny: Carole
Corall
Zoomer: embryos are persons
Zoomer: it’s ok to respond to stealing with deadly force without notice
...
Zoomer proceeds to kill any toddler who comes into his house and touches his PS5 controller...
Ok he’s dumb but what you just said was ignorant I hope this was just you being disingenuous
Based zoomer
Hello based department?
@@swagcat51 he is not dumb, he just has the typical dumb ideas smart teenagers tend to have.
I’ll concede that my comment was ignorant because I wrote it half way through before he started with the m&ms shit. I’ll reject the disingenuous qualifier :)
@@Steponlyone How many toddlers are physically able to commit burglary, let alone open an unlocked door by themselves?
If your premise is intentionally absurd for shock value, it's not made in good faith.
the guy tries harder to engage with the point at 16 than 90% of people desitny argued with
They should debate again in a few years I think it will be much better
If he is 16 rn I doubt he would have the same ideology
does he though? seems like hes being so obtuse at some points that it must be intentional
for his age he is doing quite well I think. On the other hand it just seems like he tries to "catch" destiny more than actually debating the points.
@@Messiahs yeah, you can tell everytime destiny explains something he gets so excited because he thinks that he cought destiny on something "yea yea yea, i dont care"
Really enjoying Destiny's pivot toward rhetorical effectiveness. These are so much less stressful to listen to when it's just people *talking* rather than yelling.
Also, holy shit this kid is sooo young. He's the best debater he knows and has the best moral system 😂
Love the chat. "Are you up for a vegan debate?" "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
Lmao, i felt the pain in the hearts thousands that day 😔🤘
imagine being so far gone that you have to pause to think whether selling heroin to 5th graders is unethical or not
I mean he thinks child soldiers are fine and is also a child so its not that surprising lol
@@leajey4279 I feel like Destiny also doesn't totally understand why child soldiers are wrong, like, it's really messed up to force the enemy to shoot children... That's something I think terrorists in the Middle East have done which traumatizes American soldiers... Like, you don't really want soldiers to be afraid that the child running up to them isn't strapped with a vest that's rigged to explode, that's kinda like the war crime where you fake a surrender in order to get an advantage... It results in people distrusting those who surrender and just killing them instead of taking prisoners... So it's not really JUST about the effects on the child who is made a soldier, even though that is an issue too...
Dude is like, 5 years old. What's unethical is allowing kids to post cringe on the internet before we've resolved the question of whether or not people have the right to be forgotten or not.
@@RealmRabbit are you the guy in the video? Because that was some totally unrelated incoherent word diarrhoea.
@@synlion No idea what that means, that comment is over a year old and I'm not going to watch a 3 hour video just to get a grasp on the context...
Isn’t this the conservative Vegan?
Holy pepes in youtube comments
How did you get Pepe on UA-cam?
@@BRobMint
@@BRobMint i think youtube has emotes. for channel members at the very least
@@BRobMint I bought it
The way this kid debates is infuriating. Constantly looking for gotchas, never engaging with Destiny's hypothetical or finding ways to weasel out of them, then pretending to be good faith and 'only trying to see what destiny believes in'. I feel like the kid i doing that thing Destiny mentioned where he riles him up and then when Destiny gets understandably annoyed, he acts calm to try and appeal to the audience that Destiny is being emotional.
From the chat: ‘I know his hairline is fucked up’ lmaoooooooo
when did you see that
Whose hairline? Destiny?
you can just hear it in his voice
Zoomer: you had a debate with Vaush, and it was very similar
No. No it wasnt remotely similar
This was way more calm
There's nothing wrong with someone infinitely stealing from you, because that means you have infinite resources
I mean they COULD be stealing an infinitely small amount of stuff from you every time.
Or you could work for an infinite duration of time to continuously replace things stolen.
I watched this debate live so I don't have the time stamp, but I remember laughing so hard when Zoomer was refusing to engage in Destiny's hypothetical (touching m&m's) after Destiny engaged in his "people blowing up Capital's" analogy.
Oh yeah, and Zoomer being okay with killing people without notice for walking on their property. Wtf???
I lost my shit when he said that he is the best debater he knows.
And that's why he should be able to impose his moral code on you.
It annoys me that I know destiny and can therefore no longer make this claim. He is undoubtedly a better debater than I am. Are
Don't know what others are seeing that I'm not. All Cutsleeve did here was to make Steven tired, and me as well.
This "debate" was horrible, with endless gotchas, meanderings, and hypotheticals and with no actual resolution to any of the points. Steven wanted to come to some understanding, but the kid was having none of it.
Everybody keeps saying he engages better than most, but he really doesn't. Rob Noer engages better than this kid. He just obfuscates, pivots, and throws infinite hypotheticals at you until you drop dead from exhaustion.
It was painful enough the first time around, I doubt many people would put themselves through it again (even many of those that say they liked it).
I honestly thought it was pretty funny. It was like Destiny vs a conservative kid trying to be a parody of Destiny
YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID, YOU MADE DESTINY TIRED
All I got from this is that this kid really loves aliens
This kid was me when I was 15 years old, scavenging for gotchas.
I dunno, he definitely is doing that, but it also seems like he’s open to learning and changing at times. I hated this kid in panels, but he seemed like a kid learning and informing his worldview here.
@@josephjosephson6594 well I assume the op was doing the same considering he's now a destiny fan.
He's practically 15 himself so that makes sense
RED HERRINGS
This is literally Destiny trying to educate a 16 year old. Props for him to have the patience. No other streamer even try's as hard. Also, is it funny or weird to Destiny that every large, medium, small, and tiny streamers is so influenced by him that he has spawned a million wannabes that he now is trying to fix. lol..
When they said “I’m the best debater” I was floored
Ah, the self assured overestimation of ones own abilities that can only come with someone not long of years :P
My favorite was "Of course, as a self-made libertarian..." I completely lost it lmao
It's a classic smart kid that overestimates their intelligence a little humble pie would do him wonders. He seems smart but is being held back by his ego.
@@nightshade71986 Genuinely asking: What, of the things he said and did, made you think he was smart?
Am I crazy or did he appeal to his own authority and thats why we should act his way.
He did... He straight up said: "My moral system is the best because I am the greatest debater I have ever met and no one has defeated my hypotheticals so my system must be best."
I never thought I would hear someone say that unironically
That's what everyone arguing about morals or ideology does. They are usually just less honest about it
@@neverusingthisagain2 true. There's just something so shameless about actually saying that
i am right, therefore i'm right. BASED
“This seems hypocritical, Destiny....”
“No it’s not and here’s why.”
“Okay let’s move on to the next topic and see if I can get a dunk on you there instead.”
The red herring, straight in my feed
why are so many zoomers "into politics" to this gross degree? imagine being a millennial wasting the potentially most fun years of their life running around trying to debate people against the Iraq war in 2004
I’m honestly glad that I didn’t get super into politics until my 20’s
We live in pretty contentious times and there's a lot of evidence pointing to the fact that the future is going to be incredibly turbulent, so it's only natural kids would begin to take an interest in trying to understand how everything fits together and what their place in an uncertain world might be.
@@werewolf4358 we never weren't in contentious times, to feel the time you are living in is more important than any other time just because you exist in it is only self-aggrandizing or somewhat solipsistic or narcissistic. kids, in general, aren't really taking an interest in the functions of government or policy, but rather downstream opinion-news media commentary, political theatre and youtube "debates" which lead nowhere.
Is this kid trolling? These hypotheticals are fu*kin' insane. This went on way to long for no reason
I liked the one from the debate panel they did where the guy gave the hypothetical about all of humanity's consciousness being put into a pig and then would it be unethical for aliens to kill the pig... Or something like that...
Destiny is just as bad. Here be talking reckless. But it brings views.
So if a guy has infinite amnesia and can teleport through time, then can he steal infinite amount of bikes?
Me owning a bike shop : Welp, I cant shoot this time traveler because he does not seem to remember me warning him.
@TheAbbot92 The purpose of analogies is to test out the limits of another person's principles, not ponder realistic examples.
Feel like this kid just wants to win an argument and he doesnt give a shit which argument he's actually winning he just gonna take whatever opposition to destiny because this kid thinks himself the best debator
When i was 15 before the internet i used to read strategy guide in school for games that i never played and then play them when i was done.
This guy is trying so hard to "win" this debate, that he's bringing up ridiculous hypotheticals and being completely uncharitable to what Destiny would reasonably think. It's insufferable to deal with people like this, so kudos to Steven for that.
Some of these hypotheticals are just shy of ripped from Destiny in previous debates.
@@drakkletannon the difference is he is using them to argue a completely different point from the way that destiny originally used them. For instance the kid uses the infinitely stealing argument to try and assert that notice is not needed when using deadly force, while destiny used the argument to advocate for using deadly force to defend property with the one rule being that said person stealing needs notice before being killed. It may not seem like an important distinction but the way the kid uses the argument is much more unrealistic and it seems like he doesn't understand how or why it was used in its original context.
This kid is like 13, it's embarrassing. He unironically says he's the best debater.
@@nathandotson6350 Don't care. Didn't say that. Ripped template was the point.
is this that annoying kid from the big panel destiny did a little bit ago??
Yes lol
What's the title of the video
@@bengixd its like 3-4 videos back, you will recognize the voice.
Kid sounds young and has a lot to learn, but it’s good he has lots of questions that requires material resolve in the real world.
God, With Destiny's speed of talking, he needs to debate Ben Shapiro. That would be one hell of a debate.🔥🤣
A normal persons 2 hour debate would be 30 minutes between those two. Would end up being equally pointless though
It would be a very good debate. Both are great debaters, fast speakers, and pretty much fall on the opposite sides of the political spectrum, though Destiny is still a capitalist.
They would wrap up 3 debates in 8 minutes
@@dougsheltonds BWAHAHA nice one mate I needed this joke
@Hersh Z True, like that HBomber meme of Shapiro on rising sea levels. Shapiros opinions are incredibly dumb, but people think he sounds smart because he speaks quickly in complete sentences.
At the end, when they start talking about IQ and Maturity it feels to me like the kid just wanted to get some validation for his feeling that he is smarter and therefore more mature.
this kid 100% wants to join the military and was told no because hes too young and mad.
Yeahhhh maturity and intelligence in my anecdotal experience are just not really related .
My favorite part of this was at the end when Destiny was explaining no matter how smart you are, experience matters. The kid saw the name Carole and said “Cah-ro-lay”
Pronounce chile.
"Lake-shaw"
Here in the UK, a friend was asked by an Aussie with regards to the whereabouts of a town called 'lugabaruga'.
It transpired that she was actually inquiring about a place called Loughborough (pronounced luffboro).
Strange, but true.
@@yancowles Lugabaruga is better you guys should change it
Cue "substitute teacher" sketch by Key and Peele.
1:57:35 Had me absolutely dying. This man refuses to give up on any point no matter what😂
yeah. that image is about how I felt listening to this debate
This guy took the "infinitely doing X" concept from the Big Joel conversation and is just slapping that shit on everything lmao. If the requisite intervention is literally "hey stop that" it's not infinite free reign, bruh.
Wait
"You're in favor of stricter self defense rules so you're like a conservative"
I thought conservatives were for looser self defense rules...
I don’t think I’ve ever laughed this hard listening to a debate. I’m just glad I didn’t have access to a platform like twitch when I was younger.
2:40:20 the absolute dread on destiny's face when those 6 words come out of that kids mouth is exactly how ive felt during this entire convo
This is so painful I feel like I'm dying inside listening to this kid.
ASMR: "right in your feed"
Asmr: Ben Shaperio at 4 times speed because destiny is listening to him at 2x speed while you listen to destiny at 2 times speed
@@Minecraftdemon99 absolutely agree
This kid will grow up one day and understand how gets lost in weeds more than he thinks about his positions.
It's clear he's just curious and confused through most of the conversation.
@@EsotericOccultist everyones a narcissist.
mr editor woke up and chose violence with that title
LAMO was so funny that I'm acutely tearing up. Funniest debate Destiny has ever done. Infinite motorcycles in grandmas garage had me dyeing.
I too love “laughing ass my off”
This whole conversation: "Destiny supply me with rhetorical ammunition so I can attack people I don't agree with, because they hold political positions that I don't understand...I'm going to try to entrap you with 'gotcha questions' and potentially use you as a proxy to levy my attack by the way."
huge interegation and he was so looking for gotcha's . He is young so I assume he just he was owning the libs, but doesn't look like a genuine discussion from his end.
If I had one Bitcoin for every time he says “okay” I’d be richer than Jeff Bezos...
that'd mean he said "okay" roughly 32,000 times
Honestly that number sounds pretty reasonable.
When I was in high school my older brother used to constantly say, "Dude, you gotta shut up. You sound stupid". Never thought I'd be grateful for those comments but this video helps.
I'd like to discriminate against all people that were raised by their moma and papa
does that make them half man half woman?
@@unholt912 a beyta, if you will.
@@ValeriePersonalReal Truly not a real man but a beta
Any more questions for said betas?
When they both used their own impersonations of Jordan Peterson... a unifying moment that made me genuinely laugh aloud.
Knowledge is not IQ, this kid is conflating the two. You could have 150 IQ but if no one taught you calculus you wouldn't know how to do calculus.
This is pretty cringe, but he gets more leeway given that he’s 16
@Mario Mario because a lot of us had really shitty opinions when we were 16. I was an anti sjw centrist who parroted some bigoted stuff. You are only starting to understand politics at 16.
@Mario Mario As a teenager his brain is still developing and his opinions are still more malleable to change. He's not unknowledgeable like a toddler would be but it's more understandable that his views aren't fully formed than it would be if he was a full-grown adult.
@Mario Mario That's why I said "teenager" I wasn't defending the use of the word "child" or "kid" I was defending giving the guest more leeway because they're younger. Of course, it depends on the person but the younger you are the less likely you are to have concrete opinions. That's not necessarily a bad thing since it usually makes you more willing to listen to other people's points of view.
@Mario Mario I think people are more saying that they dont agree with his takes but are giving him lee way in the sense that they hope or could imagine his opinions will change over time to some thing people believe more? People arent writing him off because he is young, they are writing him off because they dont agree with him, but unlike an older person they would give this kid the chance in the future to get back on the page, because his takes may change with age.
@Mario Mario I get your point about people who are senior citizens having a cognitive decline. Not to get too political but in my opinion, both Trump and Biden showed some signs of this.
The main difference between cognitive decline and cognitive maturity for me is that maturity is more predictable. We know that people's brains fully mature sometime in their 20s. This is true for almost every person. That also means that almost every teenager doesn't have a fully mature brain. That's not to say that their viewpoints are "invalid" or have to change but that they are more likely to.
For cognitive decline, there can be other causes besides getting older. A football player could get CTE, a soldier could get head trauma from war, people could have early onset Alzheimers, just to name a few. I think it's harder to give an age to cognitive decline than it is to give an age to cognitive maturity because of examples like the ones I listed.
I never said that the guest had an invalid opinion. Maybe other people said that but I don't remember saying that. I'm basically saying that it's easier to understand there being holes in his logic since he's not a fully grown adult. That's not to say that his argument has holes or is invalid because he is younger (which is what I think you thought I was saying).
This guy is the epitome of a debate bro/debate lord. I'm not sure I've ever seen someone work so hard to find disagreements about everything. If Destiny said "kittens are cute," he'd say "ok ok, gotcha, but wait what about..."
I disagree with the kid on almost everything but damn considering his age i have huge respect for him. He stayed mostly calm he tried to honestly engage with everything destiny said and he did a somewhat good job presenting his perspective.
Yeah he has some smarts for his age
too bad his perspective is cringe
@@jaeva7276 i mean true but i think he shows potential. I’m not gonna be so arrogant to pretend i was any better at that age. Far from it.
@@harpsmith8570 too bad he's conditioning himself
@@harpsmith8570 not smart enough to be self aware
Was this like a Make a Wish thing
Lmfao
48:19 "you have 20 seconds to explain your whole point"
This is the speed that Steven's mind operates at.
If I have to hear cutsleeve talk about veganism one more time, I'm gonna fucking lose it.
To "solve" this supposed military maturity/intelligence conondrum, instead of lowering the age for the military, why wouldn't he just support raising the minimum IQ??
Sometimes I wish someone would make a TV show about a world, where all these debate-hypotheticals are actually happening.
Imagine the episode with the Korean Grandma defending her Tootsie Rolls....
This kid acts like he has work to turn in tomorrow and he's asking Destiny questions from it that he doesn't know the answers to.
Zoomer: "Semantics are dookie. Now let's ignore the context of our discussion and I'm going to argue that you actually wanted me to define 'bigotry', not 'discrimination', and that's a red herring."
Destiny is a god, not for his debate skills, but for the infinite amount of patience it must have taken to get through over three hours of talking to this kid.
Next time someone accuses Destiny of being short tempered or impatient, they have to watch this entire thing
This was literally mental abuse. I demand compensation with another 2 hour debate
2:30:25 the perfect moment that just proves how bad faith this kid is. Despite previously using the jubilee video argument and Destiny stating that he was referring to discrimination as a form of bigotry, the kid continues to use this same argument because he knows his position is untenable but refuses to concede to it.
Even worse, he then proceeds to completely ignore the core conflict in the next hypothetical and instead makes up some weird ass straw man position. But by that time, Destiny had checked out so he didn’t really push him on it.
Bruh... @1:12 my mans Destiny channeled his inner Cuban and spoke 200 words per second. lmao
“You sound like a conservative with this viewpoint heh.”
*ten minutes later*
“My morality is superior and other people should be subject to it.”
🤦♂️
“I can circle back to that later” love this kid lol
1:10 destiny? That's a fast rappers name!
Please stop debating bad faith, gotcha, debate lord, no name shitters. This kid was beyond infuriating throughout the whole debate.
Im skipping this
...
I just cant do this again😅
Just take my like
Honestly, so far it's been better than most of his recent debates, this 16 year old seems to want to engage with the point and act in good faith however dumb his arguments may be.
@@italianwaffle5592 Debating in of itself isnt something I appreciate
To anyone that knows Steven positions(I have less that 6 months in this community) this was just an headache...this was simply hours of trying to find issues in Stevens positions, nor finding out the best alternative for an issue
Unlike Vaushs debate this was worst since we didnt start in an inconsistent position
@@italianwaffle5592 you really think so? I am only 1 hour in but it seems like hes throwing out one extreme hypothetical after the other and doesnt engage with any takes destiny gives at all.
@@italianwaffle5592 Kid lost me at "because my moral system is the best"
What's the point of arguing with someone, who argues from a position of being right by default?
Just take my life
I have to wonder if this kid would levy the same criticism at Candace Owens, or a vegan who says they're vegan online, but eats meat full-time offline.
Honestly the kid uses his brain more than most people, but he gets too hung up on odd bits of the hypotheticals and ignores the abstract concepts they represent. The m&m dispenser stood out. Like you understand there's a difference between stealing and touching an m&m dispenser? Well duh, but we're not actually arguing about an m&m dispenser...we're arguing about the concept it represents in the given scenario
But I think that was his point. Just because doesn't think people should always be notified before being killed for violating someone's property doesn't mean he accepts every single lethal force rule in the defence of any conceivable violation of property.
"Put on notice, put on notice, put on notice, put on notice, put on notice, put on notice!" I nearly killed myself each time he said it.
Destiny: Explains a position
This kid: ''rEd HerRing btw"
the way he insisted that "Carole" is "Corral" lmao