Fully Transitioning to Cordless Polishers: For Detailers and DIYers.
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- Опубліковано 14 лис 2022
- The time is now for me to fully transition to cordless polishers. With the quality and amount of options now from Rupes, Milwaukee and Flex, the convenience, ergonomics, and power are at the level where I feel confident to cut the cord. The only decision you need to make is what suits you best and how many battery systems you want to deal with, because the technology has caught up.
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Matt thanks for your take and recommendation on going cordless.
Purchased the blue and yellow Rupes microfiber pads after watching this video. Used them for the first time last night and totally impressed with the cut and finishing abilities of these pads!
I love these videos. Brief and thorough at the same time. I always wondered about weight and run-time on battery polishers, and I feel more confident about the technology watching this.
They are legit.
Completely agree on the 3" pad being too big for the PXE80. I think it's great with the 2" backing plate. It's hard to beat the interchangeability of it though. I want a dedicated 3" polisher.... Now to decide if I go all in on the Rupes cordless.
I was so glad when I searched the Milwaukee polisher and saw this video. Im looking to purchase a cordless buffer as I currently use a flex buffer. It’s been amazing but the cord in annoying. You definitely helped me solidify my choice.
Great video Matt. I hope Milwaukee extend their offering to 3” & 1” polishers.
M12
I agree! the only bad part about the flex and rupes polishers is that you end up with a bunch of different batteries and chargers in your cabinet.
If they see a market, they will build it!
All we need is a Small DA from them! Already love the small M12 rotary polisher but wish they had a DA with a shape like the flex or even the new 3” rupes. Idk if the m12 would be better over the m18 though only because I wish the m12 polisher had a little more battery life.
Just purchased the m18 rotary this year and love the battery life with xc6 batteries or larger. Haven’t tried the new m18 flex batteries yet though.
Even though I just bought a corded 3" polisher from GG I still plan on picking up the Rupes HLR75 from OG in the near future. You can't go wrong with having multiple options whenever working on a detailing project.
Just ordered my milwaukee last night. Can't wait to try it out! I agree with the Meguires microfiber pads. Been using them for 4 years now and they are amazing. I also like their foam pads. Great video, thanks!
i have never paint corrected but i new i wanted cordless when i knew millwauke released first of spring i picked it up, went with tool only, and i cashed in my upside and got it. i like it alot and i have plenty of batteries. im hoping they release a 3" soon
great job team!!!
The Milwaukee DAs are great, but the vibration, weight and backing plate makes them a secondary machine in my experience. I have the early stages of carpal tunnel, and I can't use the Milwaukee for extended periods of time. I end up going back to the RUPES and my nerves and joints really notice the difference.
I'll go 100% cordless once RUPES releases the cordless 5". Seeing the sanders they released...I have to think they can't be too far away.
I just picked up the 15 Milwaukee from Home Depot for $299 and free 6.0 battery. Already had a 6.0 from my impact wrench.
Love Milwaukee tools. I have a ton of batteries. Just waiting now for my old D/A polisher to crap out.
I just got the milwaukee random orbital I'm very impressed by it worth it 👌
I just got the m18 15mm polisher, look forward to using it this weekend 😊
Thanks for the video, great info!
I actually think it was an exciting video! New customer. Just used the drying aid. Holy crap. Fantastic.
Thanks Greg!
I am running all cordless. The batteries charge as fast as you use them, so even with 2 batteries you can get by for each machine. I run all Flex and the long neck Rupes iBrid. I do have the flex rotary if I need more power than the Flex DA. I still keep my original Rupes LHR15 just in case.
Loving both my Flex Polishers, made the switch to cordless and will never look back.
Can you elaborate a little more please?
I own and love the Milwaukee 15DA but I also owned 40+ other M18/M12 tools so it was a no brainer for me. Never owned a corded buffer so can't compare. I'm really enjoying the Milwaukee though.
Excellent video. Not a big fan of the SEMA coverage but this format is the best IMO.
Bought 2 Milwaukee polishers for my detail shop. Took about a month for my guys to fully put down the Rupes and go all in with Milwaukee, for the reasons listed in this video. Rupes Nano is also used often.
How are they holding up after a year?
@@RXI63 still going strong. still our choice of polisher on a daily basis.
I see a Bilt Hamber jug on the counter. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts about their products. Hopefully a review coming soon??
He said awhile ago he wanted to be the sole US distributor for them. He said at one point that it didn’t work out, something must have changed
The Milwaukee is heavy but it’s nice and balanced so it’s unnoticed. It’s between the dewalt and Milwaukee and I use red mostly
Have been running the 7inch rotary in my boat detailing business for 6 years, Have a fleet of batteries but have some 6 years old that still work great.
I have hope for the Milwaukee polishers but the overall experience with the PXE80 imo is better, I’m not sure why someone would even buy the new Rupes or the mini when the PXE80 has a 3”,2” aftermarket kit. Includes the rotary extension as well. Still the most versatile polisher imo, it’ll do what both Rupes machines do and for considerably less. I’ll grab the Milwaukee, and compare them to the shinemate kits I got 12,15,21 mm and the 3”,2” rotary’s as well. I have Milwaukee batteries I can throw into the mix to but you know at a certain experience level it’s preferred tools vs “best”. I’m sure a experienced detailer can do it all with everything you have their. Even the XFE which we all did prior to shinemate , SPTA and now Milwaukee.
Awesome review. I think I’ll Waite for Rupes to come out with thier wireless
I have a wizard 3” it’s super balanced quiet great machine.
Great video. Was on the fence Rupes MarkIII or the Mil cordless but you convinced me. Also love the Rupes cordless 3" that thing looks awesome. Hope Rupes doesn't develop the 5" version anytime some, lol.
I’d guess we are 6-12months from RUPES 5”.
I was waiting for you to come out with a video like this and talk about the Milwaukee I think it’s legit as well
Can confirm the Rupes HLR75 is baller. Easily 30-40% more power then my other 18v coldness 3inch machine and a lot less cumbersome (shinemate 3inch)
Use a silver sharpie for marking black backing plates
I have everything on the table except the HLR and that one is on order. Get the rupes microfiber pads in the store when you can so i can order them please.
thanks matt
I hope rupes comes out with the hlr style in all the sizes.
a Milwaukee m12 longneck/nano would be awesome
Agreed
You mentioned the kit with batteries. Right now Home Depot is running a sale for two 5.0 batteries plus charger, and you get one free tool (or a third 5.0 battery) for $199. Comes in cheaper than the two 6.0 batteries kit, and the free tool is nice if you are a home improvement DIY guy.
I don't think you'd want 5.0 for this machine. You really want the HO batteries.
I want a mini polisher from Milwaukee, i got the 15 and i love it. I have two XC8 , two XC6, 5 of the XC4s, and 4 or 5 of the 3s. It was a no brainer to get this polisher due to the ecosystem. I also have a bunch of the M12 XC 4s. I would like to get the supercharger. We will see where it goes with battery tech. We have graphine batterys out and who knows whats next.
In Sweden the cordless Milwaukee is priced at $550 without battery. But good gadgets can never be too expensive. Just buy and enjoy
i do construction and mobile detailing...cant beat milwaukee. Im fully cordless and dont need a generator at all. Have milwaukee shop vac for interior, 15mm polisher and for my washing i use dewalt 4000psi gas pressure washer and i use the milwaulee transfer pump to supply water when i need to provides my own. Have a Y valve coming off the transfer pump to circulate when trigger isnt engaged and it runs perfectly. Oh the milwaukee big boy radio to bump tunes and milwaukee m18 air compressor also for blowing out pads
I just got the Milwaukee yesterday. Bare tool came with a free 6.0 XC battery at Home Depot. Haven't tried it yet but I'm sure I'll be happy with it.
They're great machines.
Cool video. I do need alittle guidance going thru and selecting a new cordless polisher. Thank you.
Milwaukee he showed, and the flex he doesn’t like is really good, and I would get the Milwaukee rotary also cordless
@@terrell.rrucker9935 with Flex do you mean? Big one or small one?
@@kimnewling5728 small
Hopefully Milwaukee study the pxe80 and do there thing. Maybe even make it m12
Great video. Is the OEM Milwaukee backing plate the only option? For example, I can slap a 5 or 3 inch on a PC7424.
You wan't put a 3" backing plate on it. That won't work.
The only thing stopping me regarding the HLR is the trigger as you mentioned and lack of lock facility, which is strange as the the pneumatics have a trigger lock I believe?
There will be a replacement trigger coming for all HLR that will be an easy user swap. It's due in a month or two.
Hi there!
I am a huge fan of Obsessed Garage and am a car/ boat detailer full time also. I am going to purchase my first cordless polisher and after seeing your review on the Milwaukee random orbital polisher I’m going to go with that 👍 only problem here in Australia is that we can only purchase the 21mm orbit version and not the 15mm version do you think this is an issue? I currently use an 8mm orbit on my corded dual action and that works well for boat polishing and paint corrections on cars etc
Your opinion would be great only other option I have to purchase here in Aus is a Mikita dual action but it only has a 6mm orbit and I haven’t seen you review it either
Thanks
I just bought the Milwaukie 21mm unit and I love it.
Here in Australia, that's actually the only version we get - I'm disappointed - I'd prefer the 5"/15mm
@@gregsullivan7408 I’m in Tassie and has the choice of either one :/
@@officialWWM thanks - that's very helpful. The store I talked to here in Sydney was most unhelpful. I'll contact the Aussie distributor.
Milwaukee Australia says the 15mm/5" version is NOT available in Australia yet. What is the name of that supplier in Tasmania?
I'm getting the Milwaukee rotary instead. Call me old fashioned.
Hahaha, considering I’ve been using rotary for more than 2 decades … I’m going to be hella-biased here. I have tried just about every DA type that’s come out in the last 7 years. They’re all fine and all that, but they just can’t do what a rotary does … faster. Pneumatic, cordless, gear drive, large throw, blah blah blah … it’s mostly a matter of preferences. My preference is rotary with a cord. It works 100% of the time, it works the same 100% of the time, easy to maintain, easy to clean, gives you excellent results. No battery clunky bs, no compressor, no stupid hoses … it just delivers the best performance every time.
Battery powered tools, in general, are NOT ideal for a mobile detailer. You WILL run in to battery and/or charging problems sooner or later. At home or in a shop, I’m sure an argument can be made … in fact, I’d probably argue that myself.
EDIT: We all have to justify what we use and why we use it. Use what serves you best.
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Or perhaps use WHO pays you best!!?? 🤷
@@corrybowers5078 I’m not that guy. But, yeah, whatever works for you. Some people are willing to pay ridiculously high for professional detailing. That’s not what I do, I charge what I think is fair for both me and the customer. I’m not using super expensive tools or products, though. At home, that’s where my expensive crap is and that’s where I use it … for me.
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@@skull7414 that wasn’t directed to you… it was more towards “reviewers”. Hard to know what’s an unbiased opinion anymore. I agree with “use what works for you” I think you misunderstood what I meant. 👍
@@corrybowers5078 I see what you did there.
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Matt On the new milwaukee 18 for large surfaces would you go with the 21 mm versus 15mm. Also are you stocking these in your store.
Yep, they are both in stock. For really large panels, you do the 21mm with 6" pads.
I’ll be looking for Black Friday deals for Milwaukee 😂
I asked Matt the same question, but for those of you in the thread, I'm also interested in your opinion: If we could invest in two machines to get started in DIY work for a home garage with 2-3 nice cars, would you go with the Milwaukee 15mm and Rupes HLR75 iBRID? Or?
He “loved” your comment yet didn’t answer or comment. 😂
@@Narcissist_Police I ended up going with the Milwaukee M18 Fuel 15mm and the Maxshine M0132 mini-polisher.
When is Milwaukee going to make a 3” and 1”???? Any idea Matt?
Nothing on the horizon, but I’ve made a strong case.
After watching this video I am deciding to return my Ryobi cordless polisher and purchase Milwaukee. I got the Ryobi on sale but its better to spend more looks like
Yeah...that Ryobi is not good. The Milwaukee is legit pro level.
Us Festool guys are crying inside when you say you throw out the systainer.
Today they will release 15 and 21 ibrid. It will be very light weight thanks to carboncomposite gear about 2.3kg with battery on and 1.7kg without. 5ah batteries with dual charger. Prolly going to sell my 15 and 21 milwaukees and get the rupes ibrids.
Why don't you use rotory extention for the PXE? it adds 50-75mm over the head.
It's still too big.
Milwaukee 15 def has less pad stall than the MK III. I think the 3” on the PXE80 is miserable as well.
Any chance you will put together a new video on the Rupes polishes and the related microfiber pads you mentioned in this video?
Yep, next week!
Please Matt, ask them(Milwaukee) to make 3" polisher. I just bought the 15 and love it and now ordering 21.
I just got the 21. I think its even smoother than the 15. Both are great, now my Rupes mk3's are back up machines. I do have xfe 7-12 and pxe80, but thinking of selling the xfe 7-12 for mini ibrid, or just wait if Millwaukee will bring 3" cordless polisher. PXE80 is really good only for 1-2" inch.
So I want to get into polishing my own car, I’m in my young twenties and I figure I can spend a bit less money by buying a polisher and the rest of the stuff to do it myself vs paying for a correction job and the bonus is I can ofc do my next car for next to nothing in terms of cost. Now I don’t have 1500$ to just throw at three polishers. So to polish a whole car with one polisher which do you suggest? I’m assuming a 15mm Milwaukee would be nice and get most of my car done well and at least the best I could on my first go with polishing. Any thoughts guys? Matt?
Start with MaxShine
Griots machines in my opinion offer the beginner the greatest value. They are good quality at value pricing.
No
Yeah, I’d get Milwaukee 5”. You can do most of the car with that. Back in the day all we had was 6”. Then 3” would be you next machine.
@@ObsessedGarage If we could invest in two machines to get started, would you go with the Milwaukee 15mm and Rupes HLR75 iBRID?
Matt, what is the best size battery for the Milwaukee M18 Cordless Rotary Polisher, given considerations of weight? Has your experience taught you anything in this regard> Also, I was thinking of getting a 5in backing plate. Suggestions?
I've found that the XC6.0 battery is going to be your best option.
Can do a test of the Milwaukee with the new Forge 6.0 battery?
I have to disagree, the MK3 DEFINITELY has a problem with pad stall straight from factory. I've put in 2-3000 hrs easy with that machine and It benefits hugely from the washer mod or the kamikaze backing plate.
Hey Matt. I love the Milwaukee DA. Have you talked to Milwaukee about a 3 inch DA?
I have. Nothing yet, but I made the case.
@@ObsessedGarage ok thanks appreciate you bringing it up. I would assume they already have to schematic to build it. It's just smaller.
Curious if Matt ever tried the gear driven cordless Flex, and thoughts on that one
I had one for quite a while. I just don’t use Gear driven, so I sold it. It’s better than the XFE15 DA from flex.
@@ObsessedGarage thank-you for the feedback
What don’t you like about geardriven?
Which do you recommend for home use the M18 15mm or the 21mm?
Almost always 15mm.
"For the blue and white, we will fight fight fight!" 😉 - "Comedy and Fun, '93"
Sorry , if married with children ever brought out a sequel you would make a perfect AL Bundy , you seam always down thou you are a awesome person and great at what you do ,
I just don't fake enthusiasm. I make videos as if we were hanging out in the garage together.
Is there good cordless rotary versions of these 5 and 3 in machines?
Milwaukee has a 6”. PXE80 Flex has rotary attachment.
I still don’t want to play the battery game. Especially with how expensive everything is getting. I still go with Corded or Pneumatic and it works great.
Matt, do you think that the 15mm is a better choice than the 21 for someone new to polishing?
Yes, 15 is the way to go.
Is the Milwaukee backplate changeable? Like from the 5in to like a 3 in?
It is not. You also have to remember that polishers are balanced for a specific sized backing plate. When you try to go hybrid, it rarely works well.
The other thing that can kill lithium batteries near or below freezing. Not an issue for Matt being in Florida, but something others may need to consider. I am not sure if the Milwaukee batteries have a low temp cutoff for charging.
Milwaukee batteries can be used in temperatures down to just below 0°F.
@@ObsessedGarage Yes, lithium-ion batteries can be discharged at temps down to 0F (-20C). However, they should not be charged at temps below freezing. I double checked, Milwaukee does put a low temp cutoff in their batteries and recommends a charging temperature of no colder than 40F. This is on page 3 of the Milwaukee Six-Pack charger manual.
Which one polisher spins, torque better. I have Rupes LHR75 SDT and it's annoying me, runs good only on flat surface... So - Rupes LHR75 SDT vs Flex XFE 7-12 80 or Rupes HLR 75 ibrid? Is it worth change LHR to something else or every one torque similar? Greetings from Lithuania 😃
The Mirka is the best with not stalling.
@@ObsessedGarage Thank you for answering! Unfortunately I'm not so obsessed by garage, so Mirka price is not in my searching range 😃 And if I'm right, it's not available in Europe yet 🤔
Matt PLEASE talk Milwaukee into doing a M18 3" and M12 1"🙏🙏🙏
Working on it.
Will you get more torque from high output batteries vs regular?
I don't believe so on this tool. There are only a handful of tools that will.
@@ObsessedGarage i am really surprised :O So it would make more sense to bou 3x5.0 and two rapid chargers than 2x5.5 and 1x super charger.
Have you given the m12 polisher a go?
The don't have one that is good for detailing.
What about for cordless rotatory? FLEX still the best?
I'm probably not the best to ask. I know a lot of people like the Milwaukee also.
@@ObsessedGarage are you going to test that one as well?
I will stick to corded ones.
All Flex forget the rest!
Unfortunately that is not true.
If you can’t run the PXE 80 with a 3” pad… it’s totally your technique and pad choice that’s the issue, not the tool. I recently did a 1929 American la France fire truck. Used the PXE for a lot of it due to restricted spaces and multiple contact points. ZERO ISSUES..in fact mostly on speed 3. It’s easy to blame the tool over the operator…learn how to properly use your stuff instead of putting it down.
Also curious why there’s no mention of the DeWalt 848 cordless… it’s an awesome machine as well.
You must be new here. PXE sucks balls as a 3." XFE7 is a million times better. I only want battery powered tools without compromise. The Dewalt is junk.
@@ObsessedGarage not new pal…eloquent response though. Any actual facts to back that up? Or just your product pushing jargon. Maybe they wouldn’t sponsor you?? But hey those who can’t….lol!!!
So the hlr75 is the best 3in polisher now a days?
It may not necessarily be the absolute best in the world, but I do like using my HLR75.
@ObsessedGarage yea I'm looking at the flex pxe80 or the rupes hlr75 what would you recommend I work at a dealership and all I do is sand and buff
Matt, are you able to verify your suggestion on discharging to 20% and not always 100% with Milwaukee?
I was under the impression that the protection is already built in by the manufacturer and 0% or 100% is already within the appropriate threshold by electronic controlling.
I had the Battery Innovation Committee guys come and visit. They were pretty adamant about this due to their testing.
@@ObsessedGarage interesting. Thanks for the follow up.
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No comment on the m12 polisher??
They don't really have one. The M12 one is really old and not good.
didn’t think car cleaning could be so complicated
Hey Matt, if you're wanting to offload any corded polishers let me know.
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Why do you need all 3 I’m new to this buying the Milwaukee but why all 3
Due to different contours and sizes of panels on a car.
Matt's spot on
As a mobile detailer cordless is the go.
Corded when at the studio.
Flex pxe80 is a great polisher IMHO, lots of aftermarket accessories from APS...
the 2" plate from APS is a godsend for that machine, love it - cut out A LOT of my 1" work.
May have to give a try to shinemate for cordless polishers
Why would I want to do that? Stop supporting I.P. theft.
@@ObsessedGarage Screw Shine Mate and Max Shine.
Matt has obviously never used the Mirka AROB-B cordless 3" polisher, blows the Rupes HLR75 away.
Interesting... I had no idea that exists. I need to get one to try out.
@@ObsessedGarage 100% it will blow ur Sox off part no Arop-b 312nv and u can also get optional larger battery , so quite , next to no vibration, 12 mm orbit used in professional body shop environment, pricy but long term well worth it .
Better than qvc 😂
He’s “moving” to cordless so he can hock more Milwaukee gear and get paid. Rupes is better in every way and all professional detailers use them for a reason. They aren’t using a “Milwaukee” with massive battery weight at the bottom banging into the paint.
Come to OGHQ, and I’ll show you how it is done.
I guess putting extension cord reels everywhere isn't convenient enough so you use 4 different batteries and chargers to do something you rarely do. Yeah, that makes sense. If you already own polishers then now isn't the time to upgrade quite yet.
You are wrong.
Yea not sure how anyone still uses air for tools.
If you work in a shop air tools are still king
@@waterloo123100 why?
@@Jeeper1378 It terms of mechanic work, air is much faster and much stronger. You watch those videos showing the Milwaukee 1/2 high torque pulling every bolt in the world off, and it is just not how it works. If a bolt doesn’t come off, a tech is grabbing either a half inch air impact or a breaker bar. The 1/2 air impact is indispensable for real mechanics.
@@alexhall2308 I agree as I often go to a 1/2" air impact when the 1/2" corded won't do the job. At home I have an 80 gallon tank under an Ingersol Rand V-Twin Type 30 driven by a 5 HP Baldor motor and on high air usage tools it can't keep up. Before retiring I worked for Fortune 500 company with 1100 employees at our location. We had a lot of mechanics and to keep up they had huge high HP compressors. I don't think anything a DIY guy will have in his home will keep up with rotary air tools; an air impact gun uses far less air. On my off road rig I have 3 ARB compressors feeding into a 1.5 gallon tank. I mainly use it for airing up my 40's but I used to run air tools with it too. I spent way too much time waiting for air to build up. I have gone to cordless tools on the trail and find them far superior. FWIW at the shop the mechanic isn't paying for the air he uses. At home I have five 240 outlets in the garage and whenever I am running my 2 to 5 HP tools (including the compressor) my electric bill skyrockets. At home it is much cheaper to run cordless than air. FWIW I have all manner of corded construction tools and have converted to cordless there too. The only exception being demo hammers and big impact drills drilling big holes in concrete.
Do these tools ever actually get used? 😅😂🤣
Yes
Congrats Matt on transitioning
will your pronouns be err/um
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New Rupes tool is super nice
Nova nation
Cordless Polishers can't handle daily use
Even Cord DA. Rotary is way faster, easy for your hands and the machine doesn't suffer much
Why?
I just told you they can.
I agree Chevoy.
I use my M18 Polisher every day
I’m sorry but you cannot pay me to switch from my beautiful RUPES … Milwaukee does not specialize in anything. They are a jack of all trades. That’s why they make 1000 different tools under the sun for marketing purposes. No professional detailer who is at a high-level was going to use Milwaukee products.. I cannot just believe that you are going in this weird direction with this.
RUPES will have one at some point. For now, the Milwaukee is legit enough for me to stop using my 15MKIII.
"No professional detailer who is at a high level was going to use Milwaukee products" -- I suppose you'd say the same about mechanics? Any idea how many pro shops have plenty of M18 Fuel stuff in them being used at a "high level"?
Not to mention that high level professional detailers were polishing for decades with Milwaukee, DeWalt, Makita, and Porter Cable tools before Rupes or Flex were ever even in the polisher market. True professionals don't choose their tools because of brand elitism, they choose them because they get the job done efficiently and effectively. Sure, Rupes stuff tends to be a bit more refined in various ways, but the convenience factor with the Milwaukee is hard to deny, and it still makes paint just as shiny, so it earns its place in my arsenal alongside my multiple Italian tools.
@@CCharlesHahn I started detailing in the early 80's and it was all Milwaukee, Porter Cable, Sioux and Makita 7" rotary polishers. We got the job done with those heavy powerful machines. I must have gone through thousands of gallons of 3M Super Duty! Now as an old retired guy I am very happy to use my Dewalt cordless 848 15 mm DA and either Sonax Ultimate Cut and Perfect Shine or Rupes Course DA and Rupes or Sonax pads. I am really liking the Rupes Course DA using Rupes yellow wool (not microfiber pads). The results come easier and are better than what we used to do. FWIW I've had the Dewalt for a while, long before the Milwaukee came out, and it has been a beast. It has plenty of power and is smoother and quieter after I cleaned out the factory grease and filled it with Lucas Red and Tacky. FWIW I have one of the Mirka AROB-B cordless 3" polishers coming tomorrow. I can't wait to retire the Griot 3" and put the Mirka to use.