MADARA VS AIZEN - THE HONEST TRUTH.
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bro can you do soul king next please
Aizen clap Naruto verse in base form
@@Manusia.satu1 agreed
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@@Manusia.satu1 that's wank he can't do that in the bleach verse,and you think he has a chance in the Naruto verse? lmao I just can't you bleach fans😂
Honestly I'm still angry at Death Battle. Aizen had more overall experience, capable of manipulating all five senses and we don't even know if he has an bankai. Going by a statement by a former captain, it's likely Aizen may have one too.
Agreed
Ngl death battle doesn’t even know what there talking about 70% of the time. Sometimes they just be completely ignoring blatant and obvious feats while wanking their favorite characters
@@SkekkemDon’t take Death Battle seriously. They are doing this for fun and money.
@@Starwarsfan1253they do have GOATed animation teams but by god the researchers are stupid.
they SHOWED A PICTURE OF TYBW AIZEN, AND SHOWED FEATS FROM TYBW TO COMPARE THEM TO AIZEN, but used Fake Karakura Town Aizen. a Weaker version of Aizen. But they gave Madara the ability to use the 10 tails mode as if it's a Normal Thing like he's activating his sharingan
Realistically speaking, the Hogyoku would make Aizen completely unbeatable in the verse. Hell in his own verse he came back from death twice, first time from being obliterated by the mugetsu, and the second when Yhwach had tried to completely absorb him. The cherry on top of it all being, the Hogyoku's wish granting ability and reactive evolution. So say by some miracle he does get into trouble against them, he'll just evolve and become a bigger threat. He's a terrible match
Sealing him solves the problem
@@ultimateaaj2921 no it doesn't, in the battle of FKT Urahara used multiple seals on him and the only one that worked was the hidden one from after coming back from Mugetsu
Not really, the Naruto verse stomps, and they also have Deamons Causality manipulation, fate and reality manipulation, sealings, Omnipotence and etc, hes getting folded
@@danielgedeon6454 lmaooooo a Naruto fan who hasn't seen bleach... What a shocker
@@adverseresolve8142 i did read all of bleach actually, im just not the daily bleach wanker you see, come up with better arguments at least
I dont care, both are GOAT.
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Honestly fax, if aizens hax work on madara ggs but if madara can kill/seal him AND ONLY if Aizens hypnosis doesn’t work on madara ONLY IFF!!!!!!! Then madara would win due to madaras feats just simply being above what we have seen from aizen, BUT if aizens hynisis works and/or if isn’t able to seal/kill aizen then aizen would just simply no diff madara like not even close but if not madara just simply sweeps
@@IchigoTheQuincy finally an intellectual human bieng. And as far as Madara killing aizen is concerned truth seeking Orbs should be Able to pull that off because people don't see how powerfull they are
@@IchigoTheQuincyyea no
who tf belives madara even stands a chance against aizen💀
Naruto idiots
Madara solos bleach
@@Sd-jb2tw we have characters that splits worlds and can wrap time we have literally gods you only have some random guy that throw meteors
@@Hail.nurgle-ym3sh u just defeated a clone of naruto by saying that
@@Hail.nurgle-ym3sh aizen : shits his pants at seeing lil mountain getting destroyed
Bleach fans : yup that’s a multiversal mountain right there 😂😂😂
I am a big, big Madaratard. However I was very concerned this was gonna be some hardcope with the initial scaling arguments. Glad I turned out to be wrong. Subbed and joined your Discord :)
You forgot to add that, even if he uses the Infinite Tsukiyomi, it still wouldn't affect Aizen seeing as he's a spirit and IT was shown to not affect the dead, i.e. the reanimated Hokages that went unaffected by it when Madara cast it. If you think of it that way, you can easily say that genjutsu wouldn't work on Aizen, if the ultimate genjutsu in that verse doesn't have any affect.
It didn't work on Edo because their bodies were dead, not because they were spirits. Edo are souls trapped in dead bodies, they are not just straight up souls.
Also, Madara has normal Genjutsu besides IT, so he still folds Aizen.
@@dzhindzholia375aizen destroys
@@dzhindzholia375 copium 🙏😂
@@dzhindzholia375 saying that under this video is criminal
@@dzhindzholia375If Genjutsu can’t work on souls in dead bodies, why would it work on souls with no physical body? And if the strongest Genjutsu in the series doesn’t work on souls, why would regular Genjutsu work on souls? 💀
Big W you scaled bleach correctly love your scaling
Finally, the real answer has been laid out for all to see. No doubt they'll be butthurt fans who'll desperately try to defend their chosen warrior, but the facts cannot be denied. Great video Tempest. No doubt it'll be a benchmark for those looking to debate this topic or cross verse Bleach/Naruto debates in the future.
I'd like to mention that the truth seeking orbs merely prevents souls from regenerating using Yin and Yang Chakra. I honestly don't understand why it would destroy the bleach's Reishi (spirit particles). In fact its more accurate to compare reiryoku (spiritual power) to chakra, and knowing that reiryoku and reishi are 2 separate things, its bizarre to say that Truth seeking orbs can destroy Reishi/The material Aizen is made of, using Yin and Yang chakra from the Truth seeking orbs to damage him or prevent his regeneration from the Hogyoku which is stated to be an entirely separate power to reiryoku.
Its not accurate imo. Chakra is similar to physical energy in bleaxh than spiritual energy.
No bro,tso dosen't just stop regen,but it destroys the the soul too like a zanpakuto.
Even after Minato leaves the edo body he still dosen't have his arm, it's still a stump.
@@somanchipranav1964 not really since characters in Bleach are death gods so they specialize in this criteria far more than characters in Naruto
@@sugoikey1787fuck does that have to do w anything?
I can make the argument that Minato didn't have his arms because his soul reflects the body it inhabits. We pretty much see multiple times that souls in Naruto can kinda do what ever. There's no real idea how they work in Naruto verse.
I've got to say your knowledge of Bleach back in your "Naruto vs Ichigo" video to this video has improved greatly.
Bruh,so since bleach charecters won his knowledge is better huh.
Just because he said madara loses to aizen dosen't mean everything else he made is just inaccurate.
I am assuming that this was the intention and if it isn't and you are just saying he just improved in his scaling,yeah my bad👍
@@somanchipranav1964 yes I was saying he improved his scaling on bleach significantly in comparison to how he used to scale them.
I completely agree
Azien would win. Some think the truth seeking orbs is an answer for killing azien. The same people forget that zunpato are technically the same thing .
Exactly
Yes❤❤
Aizen makes Madara, Foddera. Thats just facts, he steps up to the best of naruto and does the same as well. The fight is over before it even starts...
Headcanon
Aizen isn't even planetary stop wanking weak characters
@@danielgedeon6454You don't know what a headcannon is do you?
Aizen just brainwashes Madara into seeing his own brother, then makes him join the Espada. At the end of the day Madara is just a b!tch crying over the death of his brother which was his own fault.
And again, a second rate shinigami could split Nine tails in half at the beginning of series, what could a captain do much less someone like Aizen. Also, senjimaru just released her bankai and it shook three dimensions. Midruto thinks it's great just by cutting a moon.
Madara negs Aizen I'm going to explain why.
First thing Aizen isn't immortal,he can just regenerate that doesn't mean he's immortal+Madara can use the Truth Seeking Orbs to existence eraser him Aizen wouldn't able to regenerate as it's said the Truth Seeking Balls erase+destroy anything they come in contact with.
Madara wouldn't fall for Kyoka Suigetsu because Genjutsu and Kyoka Suigetsu are similar so Madara would be immune something similar to Genjutsu.
Madara has Sage of Six Paths Powers so he can sense Aizen's hidden movements and can react to Aizen's attack. The Sage of Six Paths grants the user sensory ability so Madara can sense Aizen's hidden movements.
Marara can remove the Hgyoku that Aizen has and Aizen is done for it(After Madara defeated him)
Madara can use Infinite Tsukyomi. Aizen doesn't have the Dojutsu Rinnegan to be immune by it. Madara can use to absorb Aizen's Reiryoku.
Madara can use Light Fang to bisect Aizen. Aizen is to slow to react if he's so fast then why he didn't dodge Ichigo who is in Muigetsu form?
These are abilities Madara that would clap Aizen.👍
infinite tsukuyomi will not even affect aizen due to infinite tsukuyomi not working on soul like edo tensei proved it,so it doesn't work on any shinigami,and genjutsu can't even affect aizen due to his zanpakuto spirit could do like the tailed beast do when someone under genjutsu and the hyogoku who can just reject effect of the genjutsu since a genjutsu only affect the brain and the perpection of time and the orb of truth only canceling immortality on people with chakra,aizen is immortal unlike madara in his six path and aizen is way more experienced than madara and way more smart i'd say aizen can beat madara six path
The honest truth? Aizen wins lmao 😂😂😂
Great video bro, keep it up. I definitely see your channel growing to be very large with these vids. Also I love these types of debates videos, they are so much better than the edits/shorts that usually don’t compare properly and don’t explain their reasoning or just don’t scale properly. Great comparison and yup Aizen slams
all the fans are debating this but i bet all agrée that those both villain are 🐐
What makes Aizen so much more OP is we never see him going full out he was toying with Ichigo in the beginning and Ichigo knew he had to one shot Aizen and not allow Aizen to keep growing. Aizen never even used a bankai through all the moments. Thats how OP he was Madara would get dog walked here by Aizen I cant picture anything Madara could do that would put Aizen down.
Gedo statue would just feed off Aizen
@@taahu_dono6221facts feed Aizen to it make an 11 tails😂👌
Aizen went all out 3 times. Against Isshin, Ichigo and Yhwach
@@taahu_dono6221Yeah Aizen would feed it so much spiritual pressure that it would literally disintegrate
@@greengarnish1711 wrong the gedo statue would use Aizen as a power source
12:27 IDK if people don't understand that muken isn't within the soul society, it's a different space from the SS
Muken being infinite doesn't counter anything cuz it's not part of the soul society, even in the TYBW anime Unohana called Muken a Space not just a place, I'm pretty sure you know what that means
they didnt even use tybw arc aizen the most strongest form literally going toe to toe with yhwach
Let me help all the Naruto Stan’s Sharigan hypnosis and genjustu is only op when you are stronger than the person you go against vs Aizen who has complete hypnosis that works against anyone and everyone no matter their strength he can make them think they see whatever he wants and chooses whenever
And if you think madara wins just so you know aizen claps kaguya too so stop it and I’m a fan of both series I just know how power scaling is for both and bleach scaling is way more vast than Naruto up to shippuden not including boruto
Im subbed now, Loved the video
Yeah aizen stomps Madara and he still has a way to go lol
Sadly there is still a lot of Naruto meat Riders who stay in in their rooms 24/7 and refuse to accept the facts
Madara negs Aizen I'm going to explain why.
First thing Aizen isn't immortal,he can just regenerate that doesn't mean he's immortal+Madara can use the Truth Seeking Orbs to existence eraser him Aizen wouldn't able to regenerate as it's said the Truth Seeking Balls erase+destroy anything they come in contact with.
Madara wouldn't fall for Kyoka Suigetsu because Genjutsu and Kyoka Suigetsu are similar so Madara would be immune something similar to Genjutsu.
Madara has Sage of Six Paths Powers so he can sense Aizen's hidden movements and can react to Aizen's attack. The Sage of Six Paths grants the user sensory ability so Madara can sense Aizen's hidden movements.
Marara can remove the Hgyoku that Aizen has and Aizen is done for it(After Madara defeated him)
Madara can use Infinite Tsukyomi. Aizen doesn't have the Dojutsu Rinnegan to be immune by it. Madara can use to absorb Aizen's Reiryoku.
Madara can use Light Fang to bisect Aizen. Aizen is to slow to react if he's so fast then why he didn't dodge Ichigo who is in Muigetsu form?
These are abilities Madara that would clap Aizen.👍
@@_gartiqueDebunkialAizen was erased from existence and came back. Lol @truth seeking orbs. Second, Madara is in kyoka suigetsu as soon as he sees Aizen.
@@vb2806 welcome to infinite Tsukoyomi 💯💀
@@Nglover_officialwouldn't work on aizen, he is a spirit. Also, you know what happened when a third rate shinigami came to Konoha. He split Kurama in half and sealed it. Aizen negs the verse, then k!lls Izuna in the spirit world in front of Madara just for fun
You maybe able to argue that 12:28 is now outdated the anime did say it is infinite plus it kinda does just contradict what Kubo said in the manga he literally makes Unohana say “Just as the name suggests it’s expands infinitely.” I think at least with the structure of how that sentence goes Kubo is most like trying to commute to us that it’s infinite
Aizen still one shots the fodder
Aizen can't wait even detetc limbo clones, much less hypnotize them... that's what decides this battle, along with horrific truth seeking orbs. We can't speak of anything above planetary without feats. Might Guy with 8 gates bending space? Does that make him a galaxy level?
People talk like Madara and Aizen is on the same level 😂😂😂😂😂😂. Aizen clap beyond EASY
There are also the valley of screams which from the same cannon movie, are said to be created from an infinite amount of souls
Bro will delete him via reatsu
I agree and disagree with you on the Muken thing. I do believe it is infinite, as both in universe statements as well as thematic purpose mean it should be. Where I agree is that Muken being infinite doesn't actually scale characters in any meaningful way. See, it's a pocket dimension that is larger on the inside than outside, much like Las Noche, but the characters aren't interacting within Muken. So, if you're scaling character through Las Noche, it's appropriate to take the full scaling because everything is happening within the larger space; with Muken, saying a character can destroy an infinite space doesn't make sense because they are effecting the outer shell and not the infinite space within. Yhwach collapsing it alongside the three realms doesn't mean he's proven to destroy an infinite space, just that he's able to destroy a city-wide pocket dimension.
@@Kapt_Klaw Yhwach is easily universal+, I agree. His ability to tear down the metaphysical walls between multiple realms, with the World of the Living, at the very least, being a true universe proves this. His own Almighty directly interferes with time and space, making him capable of interacting on at least a 4D scale. I was simply saying that I don't necessarily take the Muken feat as proof of Yhwach's overall power... though there is still more than enough to say so about him.
I also agree that trying to scale Bleach and Naruto is futile. Consistent light speed feats in Naruto don't happen until the war arc whereas Bleach has been doing so since Soul Society. Relatively mid Bleach character are throwing around continental attacks before the halfway point, where most of the comparable Naruto feats are exclusive to Akatsuki members and those on that level. The hax in Naruto are also geared more towards dealing with physical beings and the Shingami, in canon, is one of the most feared entities which is the base level you can consider from Bleach at all.
@@lo4trthere is actually an argument for relativistic PRE-SHIKAI ICHIGO. Like even if you say Bleach is weak there is no debating it’s speed. Mans sprinted forth and blocked a Menos Cero (which is Light Speed, I remember watching a short talking about it and there was a calc putting it at 12%-18% LS).
@@lo4trmuken is infinite in the English version viz made some Mistranslation
Biggest W I’ve ever seen for a powerscaling video. Madara is my fav anime character oat so I was hoping he could get the W in ur eyes but I like bleach way more then naruto So I was hoping just as much for W bleach scaling. You adressed every argument perfectly and only used credible debunks. So happy to see bleach getting the the proper scaling that it deserves.
Bro madara is the top of aizen.
Madara is so powerful he literally put fear in the entire shinobi world,
Madara uchiha has a counter for everything what ever aizen uses on madara.
Aizen kyoka suigetsu is literally broken because of his power nobody has it not even the mirage level, now nobody has mind resistances in bleach not even aizen him self because of Shinji shikai effect on aizen if Shinji didn't revealed his power Shinji would solo aizen all by himself, aizen kyoka suigetsu is strong just like infinite tsukiyomi, aizen kyoka suigetsu
All I say is bleach has more metas supporting multi solar-multi galaxy then the naruto verse top teirs. Both have Uni metas that get debunked all the time so as I said the logical answer would be whichever has more evidence supporting the galaxy + ranges .
If it's solar to multi solar,Naruto has better scalings.
Naruto dosen't have a galaxy meta but bleach does.
Uni is debatable for both.
@@somanchipranav1964 yeah the meta things are annoying the Uni ones get debunked every other week, bleach's multi galaxy calc is pretty consistent- anime kinda just made the gremmy meta even more convoluted tho. Narutos solar-multi solar is pretty consistent
Nice video my only issue is you said that he's stronger than six paths Naruto and sasuke and they were able to injure kaguya who in numerous of videos you say she's uni so why couldn't you just simply say that madara would be realative to Kaguya making him uni
I said that hes weaker than sage of six paths naruto and sasuke?
@@Tempest1018 oh must have misheard then but still he was able to fight then at the same time so he should scale to teen Naruto not adult so the teen Naruto was able to injure kaguya so they all should low uni
Bruh bro spoke facts about madara and switched to theories when it came to aizen 😂. How typical i might as well go rewatch the show✋️ 😂 💀 😭
First of all Aizen is a spirit. Meaning every genjutsu,taijutsu and earthly techniques are useless on him.
Number 2 the very amount of Spiritual energy difference between Madara and TBWY Aizen would Disintegrate Madara on contact since even Shinigamis were dying who're spirits.
Number 3. How is Madara even touching him since Reishi is different from Chakra? Aizen is a Transcendental being who was only clapped by the power of plot armor and Ywach with Almighty.
Aizen stomps it's not even funny, im fan of both animes and i can say Naruto fandom is the most toxic, unfortunately
LES GO, AIZEN THE GOAT WON!
Noone considers that TSO's just cuts off the chakra to the place they hit so when Minato was shown leaving his Reanimation body and was missing an arm, that could have just been the Chakra that made up his arm which allows it to be visible to anyone, I mean think about it, if his soul had no Chakra infused into his soul then when he left the reanimted body he would have just been a ghost with no chakra so noone would be able to perceive him, so i'm saying that is what happened to his arm, the chakra in that part of his soul that made it visible was destroyed, not the soul itself, have we ever seen real evidence that the average talented shinobi can see a soul that is not infused with chakra? Imo, the TSO's didn't destroy his arm's soul, it just rendered it invisible to most living beings because the chakra (which ninja's sense well) was destroyed maing it seem to be completely gone. From what I see in my opinion when someone uses Reanimation the soul is pulled from the pure lands and is made visible in the physical world by chakra which then is forced into the sacrifices body, evidence of this is shown when Minato and later Kushina appear inside Naruto's mind, they can't be made of only chakra or they wouldn't have their personalities etc, so they are a piece of their soul infused with chakra to make them visible on the physical plane, and then when Minato said he was almost out of time because he was low on chakra proved at least to me that the only way Minato and Kushina could do that was by leaving a piece of themselves (their souls) and some of their chakra to give them time to talk to Naruto and be fully visible and even physical (in his mind) which imo is solely because of the chakra they left behind allowing somone alive and from the physical world to fully percieve a soul that normally wouldn't be visible to the living by using chakra as a medium to sort of connect them to the physical world allowing them to be seen which is basically just a weird imcomplete version of Edo Tensei that allows them to do what they want instead of being controlled and forced into a body that technically isn't theirs. So, I believe that Minato's arm was still there, it just was no longer visible to the living because the chakra in it had been destroyed. Also, it is never explictly stated that TSO's destroy souls but imo more interrupts Edo Tensei's chakra flow to the reanimated body/soul stopping it from regenerating etc. Sorry for the long-winded theory of mine and the very late comment :P
madara loooks cleaner than monster form but not prison aizen
GOATZEN>>>>>>GOATDARA
proud of you temp for your success and ik we aint on good terms rn but uh I was wondering if we could talk it out and settle everything.
W vid
Downplayed Madara, overall vid was a W tho, you've gotten better, keep up the great work Temp
He did on both sides
@@marcus7984 yeah but the Madara downplay in the video was too out of hand
@@marcus7984 he wanked aizen
Dont cry even if he highball him he still lose
Do people not understand what immortal means, Aizen can not be killed after subjugating the muggufin orb. Unless Madara can absorb or seal him, its just not possible to beat him in a "Death battle" What a fool you all are, He is immortal ! How can you kill an immortal? What a grand and intoxicating innocence! How could you be so naive?
Awesome video man
Please stop saying that the nine tail is planetary because it capable of burn the planet from that data book. It's strongest attack the bijuu bomb barely continent level. How is it gonna destroy a planet????
Show don't tell !!!!
It’s got the power to destroy the world remember the tailed beasts are like power reserves that build up over time. They just need a host that can utilise to the fullest
Yet another person who doesn't understand the difference between AP and DC
Aizen no diffs Madara, it shouldn’t be an debate lol
"It deludes you into thinking it’s Expanding into infinity" thats not saying it’s finite in size. The name fallacy thing doesn’t work because it’s blatantly stated in the manga and anime and also the original kanji that it’s an infinite sized realm, Bleach already has 2 other infinite sized realms.
Delude: to deceive or fool. By virtue of that it cannot be infinite based on the context surrounding it😭
@@Tempest1018 It’s not expanding into infinity because it’s already infinite. All of the context including authors intent point to it being infinite.
How do y’all think goku’s ultra instinct would interact against Aizen’s Illusion ability?
Um…personally idk goku is pretty dumb so that works In aizens favour…but UI moves without the mind so hypocritically goku was In UI whilst in an illusion he’d STILL dodge aizen’s attacks
@@kyleboomer5436 the body cant react properly to th incorrect input that aizen would be providing to goku's senses. It's complete hypnosis
I like both series but tbh aizen wins lol😂
"The honest true" __american manchild_
aizen before evolution could beat all the espadas combine
Kyoka Suigetsu effecting Madara is a non sequitur regardless of who it worked on in Bleach. It's on Bleach to show who has illusion resistance and yet can't resist Kyoka Suigetsu. Which never happened. Kyoka Suigetsu is akin to what Kurenai can do. Whereas Tsukuyomi is said to be almost a different timespace putting the victim into an outer body experience.
Just cause Ywach was God like doesn't mean anything. If his abilities primary function is sight. With no mind hax resistance feats, the feat cancels itself out when crossing into a verse where illusions can be broken by weaker versions of characters.
So that's out of the question. Cause it's never been tested in verse. And Ywach was caught prior to his awakening. This has been debated a million times, and the consensus is always as I stated above.
Bleach doesn't have a single canon movie. So all of that is out the window.
Now we come to the infamous scaling to Ywach bs. Idk how many times I have to say it. Ichigo and Aizen did not scale to Ywach. Aizen less so then Ichigo. This is like saying bijuu mode Naruto and EMS Sasuke are relative to dual rinnegan 6 paths Madara.
-Ichibe said that Ichigo and his friends could not beat Ywach. Begging them to atleast stop him from killing the soul king.
-Ichigo's true shikai and HoS was broken by Ywach. In SS arc it was established when Ichigo fought Kenpachi that a sword only breaks when a reiatsu/reishi/reirioku whichever word you want to use. Is exceedingly stronger then the other. Ywach was holding Ichigo's sword in his hand. Implying he broke it with his bare hands. This is intrinsically verified when he does it again at the end. The guard on Zangetsu breaks at Ywach's mere touch.
-Ichigo's body could not resist mere specks of post soul king Ywach's energy. Getting stabbed all over the place. Despite having blute vein and other durability buffs do to the synergy of the many energies within him.
-Aizen had a gapping hole put threw him. The last time I checked this is possible in bleach when again one person's reiatsu vastly outweighs the others. As their attire acts as a natural barrier meant to protect them and display their energy at any given point.
Now for basic stats. Madara would take speed scaling higher then Naruto and Sasuke and either of their max potentials as he had both their powers. Any gaps in power one could conjure out of thin air Madara has each tailed beast ability at the full magnitude since whole beast are within him. Excluding Kurama. Meaning boil release makes up for any base strength and speed deficit Madara would have.
Madara and Aizen share complete immortality and as the vessel of Kaguya. Anything she displayed pertaining to the body is actually Madara's body reacting to outside attacks. And we seen she can practically be existence wiped and return. So they're both unkillable.
This leaves sealing. We already know Madara has resisted 5 different seals and even the pull of the pure world. Something other characters could not do. Whereas Aizen has been sealed and revealed multiple times. I wouldn't believe he just went back to the Muken. Seeing as his whole thing is he hates subjugation and imprisonment is just that and his sentence is eternal.
He also didn't resist or evolve when Ywach ate him. This is a high diff W for Madara.
Thats not a non sequiter show me any genjutsu aside from the tsukuyomi that even holds a candle to the kyoka you cant. Secondly kyoka works a spiritual level as i said prior and last due to the different in scaling and power aizen slams either way madara loses lmfao
@@Tempest1018bro every genjutsu is better then Kyoka Suigetsu lmao. Kyoka Suigetsu afflicts the 5 senses. But Aizen has NEVER done anything close to what the sharingan can do. Sasuke vs Deidara is a better display of illusions then anything Aizen has done.
Infact everything Aizen has ever done with KS. Itachi did when he met Deidara.
@@Tempest1018Yeah take that BS to any thread and see how fast you get destroyed. Aizen didn't even have faith that the hogyoku. Would save his ass from Yamamoto.
@@Tempest1018 Control over the senses>control over the mind, memories, will, reality, and fate.
The basic sharingan grants control over those 5. And you saying KS is better.
Yes the izanagi and izanami are separate abilities and the sharingan doesn’t control will only the kotoamatsukami does which is an MS and yes the kyoka still has better perception distortion you can join the discord server tho.
Havent watched bleach but that argument of that city being star lvl is wack just because it has a sun doesnt mean its actually sun sized could be a miniature star i am going to say this mftl plus naruto is kinda stupid based on databook statement if madara was truly mftl then he wouldnt have used an attack light fang thats 100s of time slower than his combat speed mutltiple character are stated to be light speed in the databooks or have light speed attacks but its pretty blatantly hyperbole
some bleach characters in the war still use lightning to attack so are then massively hypersonic? food for thoughts
Lieutenant Aizen would body 🤌
I've always been very unsure abt Naruto's scaling.
It is definitely factual that he is planetary at minimum. But there have been other scans to prove otherwise.
For example, Kaguya being able to completely rewrite space time continuums and obliterate them from existence should qualify as a 4D feat or universal.
But the thing that makes it even more crazy is that there is proof of Masaki Kishimoto directing and storyboarding the Road to Ninja movie. Which would make the finite Tsukoyomi explanation canon.
That would also wank Madara to High Multiversal.
Even in the games Kishimoto claims that the cutscenes shouldn't be considered as "what if" scenarios and should be considered completely canon.
But I actually agree with this vid.
The spacetime feat is a mistranslation, kaguya created a space, so at most she created multiple planets, making her multiplanetary.
@@ningnings_randomworld do you have comprehension issues? Creating space.... Space... For planets to exist within it, stars to illuminate the planet, and moons to form in it... creating a space were planets and stars and moons to form and exist...... You know that you can't really remove time out of the equation when space is involved yes? Space and time a glued together to make a universe you, space = the concept of where, time = the concept of when. Where were they located? In another dimension, when did it take place? Before the war, During the war, and After the war, i.e Past(Before), Present(During), and Future(After). You say it's a mistranslation of what Black Zetsu said, that isn't not space time but only space, you mean to tell me that Kaguya's dimension had no TIME? Kaguya is just casually concept manipulating? She barred TIME from her dimensions? She's actually much more powerful then what we thought?
@@ningnings_randomworld Kaguya did create a space time I don't agree with Madara being high Multiversal that's cap but galaxy level for sure juubidara was stated by Hagoromo that he was about to rival him in power Hagoromo is Multi Galaxy putting juubidara at galaxy for sure
Juubidara isn't high Multiversal but galaxy level for sure high multi is to much when Kaguya was only UNIVERSAL at max so yeah your right about everything else Madara should win but he's not high Multiversal
@@WOF765w satire
The whole part where you describe Madara is wrong. Limbo≠Madara and Haku's transition between mirrors alone is at the speed of light. The character himself is not lightspeed. Also, Aizen defeats all forms of Madara with passive soul crush. There is no need to make speed comparisons. Madara's passive cannot exceed soul crush unless his speed is immeasurable. Aizen also has type 8 immortality. Juudara has type 3 immortality and Madara cannot exceed type 8 immortality. Aizen can surpass Madara if he removes the Juubi from him.
we can debate about it lmfao aizen vs comp naruto
U forget that Madara jas abilities that destroys souls this includes Shinigami, there is nothing Aizen would do to Madara that Madara couldn't negate Madara can see through illusions. The Rinnegan literally is interdimensional n can reap through souls n also if u r touched by the teuth seeking orbs u die there is no regeneration.
first off madara being able to negate illusions doesn’t get rid of aizens “ illusions” because an illusion is the misinterpretation or something that’s wrongly perceived by the senses while aizens ability overwrites the senses completely making it different than a genjutsu, second it doesn’t matter if madara can damage the soul so can every other soul reaper and it’s clearly shown that attacking his soul doesn’t work as it’s been stated there’s no way to kill him third aizens regernation obviously expands beyond regrowing something because then you could just obliterate aizen and he would be gone but instead his form of “regeneration” is just shaping him into something else instead of regrowing what he lost like when gin blow his body up, meaning if he cant regen from the seeker orb he will just make a new vessel for himself
It’s also wrong to say there’s nothing aizen can’t do to madara because aizen knows every kido and hado which allows him to use things like hado 54 that completely removes the existence of anything it touches and aizen could just seal him even if you say he can’t kill him through normal means while aizen has no way of doing that, aizen just out hax
dont say me u dont watch or read bleach
Yea a third rate shinigami split the nine tails in half. I don't think a being like Aizen would have any problems dealing with Madara. Worse come worse he just evolves past Madara.
Also, in the new chapter senjimaru's activation of bankai shook the three dimensions and Aizen will soon offer to shoot down the royal palace. Madara is just a cry baby who lost his brother and can't cope
Can't wait for bleach to come back
opinion on the death battle for both naruto vs ichigo and madara vs aizen
Aizen negs madara
Genjutsu does not work on Aizen, but Kyōka Suigetsu will work on Madara. They effect different senses. Genjutsu affects the brain, Kyōka Suigetsu is way beyond that lol. I don't know who un their right mind would even think Madara has even the slightest chance to win against Lord Aizen. Sheesh, Naruto fans please stop being so bias and delusional and accept facts! Or as Madara would say "Wake up to reality" 😂😂😂
Bro, bleach has so many other universal to low multiverse solid arguments
Ichigo was WAY faster than Lightning in the Byakuya fight, and base Aizen was stronger than all of the Espada (Including Segunda Etapa Ulq and 0 release Yammy)
Aizen's sword swing should have destroyed a galaxy but his sword got stopped by Ichigo's hill level power sword. Aizen was so illusional he thought he could even destroy a hill.
Bro. Even Komamura one of the weakest captain would destroy mountains in seconds. You must forgot that Ichigo not destroy mountains with his sword but with the wind of his sword. Peoples don't understand Bleach. Dangai Ichigo destroyed black hole low diff. No one in Naruto verse can destroy black hole
TYBW Ichigo can be scale to multiversal so easily. Not debatable
This is a laxk of understanding on ur part. Bleach characters do less visual destruction as their attacks are absurdly concentrated. This is so characters attacks can penetrate the reiatsu defence of other characters. We see this when ichigo cant pierce kenpachi till he focuses his energy properly into a concentrated point on his sword. This is also how smaller bankais can still be as strong as large bankais as they have similar energy outputs, just one is concentrated in a smaller area
Bro just because Bleach is not the type of anime that shows a lot of visual destruction, doesn't mean that the characters can't destroy shit. That fake karakura town Aizen vs Ichigo, those were wind from sword clash that is destroying the distant mountain, yes that's not a hill, that's a distant mountain, look close, trees look small on there, maybe you mistook it for grass thus calling it hill, and imagine that, small dude that's just effortlessly clashing swords can do same damage as the Madara's Perfect Susanoo sword full swing💀
not a single person here provided evidence for their arguments
Sooooooo that makes conflicting sources so peoeple who watch death battle think madara would win and people who watch this channel think Aixen would win im confused honestly ima side with death battle jus cuz they are more scientific i guses?
Also Aizen is immortal and can evolve and adapt if overpowered to match his enemy and defeat it eventually. Like a mixture of Mahoraga and Doomsday.
3:41 dude wtf basic ichigo banki is faster than light we arw talking about basic banki not even his true banki 💀what soeed are u saying
As a huge naruto fan i can say aizen wins madara
Madara/Jubidara would just have to look 👀 in Aizen’s general vicinity and be done ✔️
Next : aizen vs other character in other anime who are not in big 3.
ngl aizen is just unbeatable he in his hogyoku form can litereally just evolve thru out the fight. dont talk about the truth seeking orbs because his hogyoku form can let him evolve so that truth seeking orbs wont work on him. dont talk about truth seeking orbs absorbing reitasu either because aizen can still evolve to the point where reiatsu wont be absorbed
If you believe genuinely that madara would even have a chance. You’re just lying to yourself to cope
genjutsu, if not aizen is too fast, and kyoka suigetsu its over 1 sec lol. madara maybe break out?, ua-cam.com/video/pcKnEdXkutY/v-deo.html only thing is sosp madara maybe suprise hit with poles up close, like some said aizen is too fast ua-cam.com/video/pcKnEdXkutY/v-deo.html
@@ps123fan dosent matter even if you kill aizen you can’t destroy the hogyoku and it instantly bring him back and evolve him to a higher being. And suigetsu is unbreakable even if you know you are under its influence . Madara is fodder compared to aizen
@@ps123fangenjutsu is broken easily by Hogyoku, Physical attacks Hogyoku. There is nothing Madara could do that can kill Aizen.
There’s a vid out stating that base aizen could clapped all but 2 sternritters. Deathbattle did that bs match up truth is aizen didn’t need go past base to end Madara at jubi
17:07 equil in basic without the bankai wich will double it by 10 times
Aizen all the way don't forget his most scary abilitie his intelligence!
In the anime, Unohana herself said Muken is infinite in size... wAnK?
How can something infinite be underground a planet? 😅
@@Kapt_Klaw the soul society is a planet, check the memories of nobody movie. And no the muken is an UNDERGROUND prison, with an entrance and an exist UNDERGROUND the planet. Something infinite cannot be contained inside a planet
@@khazraamv743wow, it’s not like pocket spaces exist in bleach or something that could totally explain a bigger space within a smaller space…
@@tjthedestroyer5335 a pocket space contained underneath a planet which is is divided by the other main 2 of bleach by the garganta yes...
Fun fact: Aizen doesn't use genjutsu and genjutsu doesn't work on souls
Good luck with that
But infinity Tsukoyomi work 💀
At the end of the day isn’t only one alive? That’s your answer.
Even base uryu was ftl in ss arc and i remember somebody actually used all the multipliers and caluculated the new speed of ichigo and aizen which was mftl+ as ichigo had multiple 10x amps and the other characters too madara is nowhere near to speed to even ss arc aizen
6:04 btw when aizen fought yoha he has 43 seals on 💀
Yo tempest, would you like to be the first person on UA-cam to scale Naruto in the ninja storm series?
where is it stated that the sixth sen
se can be controlled
Really good video bro.
Except the star in las noches scaling, everything else is fairly accurate.
Madara goal is better than aizen goal.
Death battle needs to fix that fight.
I just hope u give the W to Aizen before i watch this
After scaling Naruto and Sasuke to Uni i won't even be surprised if u say Madara wins rn😭
GEN JUTSU DOES NOT WORK ON SOULS. Genjutsu also doesn't work on insects. *The Reanimated HoKages were unaffected by the Infinite-Filler-Jutsu because they were just souls*
MICK DROP
This isn’t the case just because one genjutsu doesnt work on the kage doesn’t mean all dont
@@Tempest1018 None of them could affect Aizen, GenJutsu is limited by chakra nerves. And, like Shino said his Insects can't be controlled by GenJutsu because their Chakra nerves are not connected to their brains. Now apply this fact to Aizen who is a Soul removing any doubt about GenJutsu affecting him.
Next comes sage mode and its rods and truth seeking orbs none of them are a problem to a guy who can crush or nullify such hacks just by his spiritual pressure.
@@Tempest1018 There’s only been one instance in the series where Genjutsu was attempted on souls, and that Genjutsu just so happened to be the strongest/most potent Genjutsu in the verse at the time. In order to assert that Genjutsu does work on souls, you’d have to give credible examples of it happening. Aka canon or novels, things outside of filler (which I don’t think even happened in filler though I haven’t watched them all)
Bleach fans be like chakra wont work on bleach characters yet their bankai will work against narutoverse
Because most of bleach characters are at least 1 dimension above naruto characters lol💀
Aizen > Madara is a popular opinion but it's just that, an opinion.
It's not a opinion it's a fact aizen destroys the verse neg diff
People like this are hilarious. Even though the muken was called infinite it isn’t infinite because it’s a name fallacy. But the 9 tails being stated in the data books to destroy the world is just fine. And haku moves at light speed with the mirrors🤦♂️🤦♂️ Regardless of the winner. Be weary of people like this. They are hypocrites
I mean its cause the nine tails being able to turn to ash is supported by the events of naruto the last
@@Tempest1018 haku being light speed is not only not true, it would be incredibly inconsistent. That would make sasuke relative due to him intercepting haku. Naruto doesn’t have solid light speed feats until the end of the the show. I’m not saying you are wrong with the winner. your points can be picked apart tho, be sure you include author intention and implications of your scaling. If haku is light speed, more than half the cast is.
@@thedude4192 how is it not consistent. When he can intercept an amped kakashi whos 2x older than when he was when he reacted to lightning at 14? Also the haku that was fighting naruto and sasuke was obviously and clearly holding back so again how is it not consistent? You control the potency of your kekki genkai
@@Tempest1018 I’m not saying he is slow but think about the implications of what you’re saying. I see channels do this all the time when they say absolutely ridiculous numbers because they want to fit that agenda. If haku is light speed then what about the people who are stronger? Which included the majority of the cast of Naruto. Haku was able to get bodied by an incredible weak no tailed Naruto. Haku being as fast as the raikage? Highly unlikely my friend. People just like to pass out light speed but people get hit by regular kunai in Naruto
I magine those two combined
Madara could see through it though with shanigan or rinnegan
No he cant his hypnosis works on a spiritual level and if Ywacha who has Almighty can't see it what is a sharingan and rinnegan gonna do
Do you scape versus
Madara was fighting the same Naruto and Sasuke that later could press kaguya, saying madara isn't atleast low end relative to her makes 0 sense, considering Naruto and Sasuke couldn't have gotten infinitely stronger in some minutes by doing nothing
They got better at using their abilities so yeah its logical that they could.
@@Tempest1018 i love how you didnt bring up the fact that Naruto characters were dealing with Aizens type of illusions since OG Naruto and even Shikamaru stated it. And i think that you wanked Aizen and you also didnt even mention Madaras precogntion(you implied with no arguments that aizen would be able to bypass it ? ) also Madara is way more powerful than Aizen who hasnt shown feats DC wise exept blowing up moutains(actually it was ichigo lol).
Also you used the gremmy scaling to assume Aizen was galaxy lvl, but Gremmy never created a galaxy, he only created a portal from his imagination to outer space which is nowhere near galaxy lvl. Also AP wise for Madara you can use the uni+ scaling for him with Kaguya given the fact that he scales above Naruto and sasuke, and Naruto is relative to Kaguya in AP so why downplay Madara to large planet lvl, if anything he has more AP then Aizen, even if u dont agree with the uni+ scaling for Kaguya then its still solar system to solar system+ AP for Madara and for Aizen, he doesnt even scale to Yuha, he just fooled him with KS bc He has no résistance at all against mental hijacking he hasnt shown anything just like most of bleach.
Madara definitely wins, he has more hax to overwhelm Aizen, so monsters, limbo clones, wood clones, Rinngan hax to absorb any of Aizens attacks since chakra is also spiritual energy like reiryoku, so6p haxs, Genjutsu( Aizen has no counters to it as he hasnt shown anything)
@@Tempest1018 you truly don't get it do you don't you realize that Aizen sosuke would win against Madara stop making his dumb video then we already see mr. Crafty scales made this shit
@@Tempest1018 oh yeah let's get something straight before you get mad at me call me if bleach Fanboy I don't give a f*** power scaling is stupid you really think Madara going to be aizen just because you agree with the death battle that makes no sense you're an idiot if you agree with death battle that you even more stupid than I thought you are I'm saying it like a grown man don't care cry
@@Tempest1018 if Aizen is a God then why you putting a human against him you really don't think kid do you you must understand that bleach is too damn powerful
I don't care
Madara still obliterate Aizen.
Lol your opinion
@@sesshomaru2349 delusional bLeach fans think Aizen has a chance against even base madara💀
Delusional and denial
Bruh
PostFKT Aizen >>> Naruto verse
@@itztetsuo9154 avg bleach kids 😂
Wait so who won?
Azien
Aizen he slammed 😞
aizen ALWAYS wins and even when he loses
its part of his plan
Aizen 100% win