I don't know why we are in 2023 and people still say that the Soul Society is a planet when you can see that there are thousands of stars in tosen flashback, a sun and a moon, the royal dimension and the valley of screams and muken same thing with hyoko mondo😂
The novels literally states the one universe was split into 3 realms and each of these realms has many infinite things in it and garganta is literally called as hyperspace
@@compulantgaming1995Kenpachi is the embodiment of a “cutting” concept. Wym? Kenpachi shikai alone scales above Kaguya by his power. He will just cut through TSO, through time and space and just split her apart.
@@albuspercivalwulfricbriand5363 I'm not saying he can't beat her I'm just saying kenpachi doesn't have hax hes just very fucking strong and skilled he doesn't have a bunch of abilities like kido techniques
@@kvghhddj7251she literally stated heaven and earth pf the 3 worlds. Heaven and earth is literally a phrase implying all of existence. Thats 3 universe sized realms. Can yall read?
No way anyone is being ywach unless it’s snapping a finger out of existence and THATS assuming there’s a future he doesn’t see himself dying. He’s literally one of those gods you write yourself in a corner with
@applesaucelord368 I'm sure Kubo had a rough idea as to how to actually kill Yhwach, but due to Shueisha rushing Kubo to finish Bleach, he opted to the silver arrow bs straight out of a horror film. Here's to hoping the anime will completely change the way Ichigo defeats Yhwach
@@applesaucelord368the anime is supposed to fix a lot of the stuff that was rushed in bleach and it's directly being worked on by kubo, also at this point in the manga we would be close to the end but there's still 2 seasons of the anime left so there's gonna be a lot of new content
Bleach cosmology scales above Naruto cosmology and Yhwach scales *above* the Bleach cosmology passively while Kaguya really just scales to her own dimension which is at most only Uni+ And that’s just raw AP, not even taking into account hax and abilities in which Yhwach would stomp even with his stats being reduced to literal ant level 💀
@@WarFox7012yhwach is strong enough to merge the three realms, each of them being their own spacetimes, putting him at low multi. Thats not even close to his best feat tho, he scales way higher off of ichigo and aizen
I hate people bringing up her being universal because of her destroying her dimensions but that doesn't make much sense because if you made the dimension it's obv you can just make it disappear or destroy it yourself. There's a difference in deactivating your ability and destroying a whole universe that you don't have control of but that's just me I might be wrong
@@astogeno6498It's incredibly disingenuous to claim that destroying a physical universe is no different than turning off your ability just because it's a universe you made. Being able to create a universe and them destroy that universe still makes you universal. The fact that you created it doesn't suddenly make it not universal when you then destroy it.
@nkosinathisibiya600 I don't enough about her dimensions to argue that point, so I'll concede that. I wasn't talking about Kaguya specifically, though. I was addressing astogeno's point that a character destroying a universe they created somehow isn't universal just because they created it. As though it somehow takes less power to destroy a universe that you yourself created than one that you didn't, which is nonsense, at least on its own.
Do you really think someone with Yhwach ability in any other anime or show would be able to defeat him. I don't think anyone would be crazy to make a guy be able to see every future and change every single one of them so you have no chance of winning. Yhwach literally broke Ichigos bankai in every future just so he couldn't use it anymore and it is stated that once bankai is broken it can't be repaired.
@@BlazingAce20 Ywach was terrible at using his own powers wym? How u have it like that and FUMBLE THE BAG he could legit do whatever he wants and see/alter the future but could not see Aizens hypnosis OR the silver arrow coming, to be fair the only reason he lost to ichigo is bc he met him but it’s still insane. Idk how u say there’s no chance of him losing when we the story ends with him losing
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 post soul king absorption is hard to scale. But we’ve never seen Yama go all out bc it would destroy the entire soul society and his there’s nothing else in the series that threatens the entire soul society just by existing besides Yamamotos Bankai. Just it being out threatens the entire exisitence of the soul society let alone if he were to just fully unleash it. His blade becomes as hot as the core of the sun. Maybe Ywach would still win bc of hax but I still think like AP wise Yama would be over Ywach imo
@@ketto2034 nah he kaguya real shit can’t get past his hax, only thing I can think of is sealing with a truth seeking orb or trapping him in one of her dimensions but idek if that would work for real bc of almighty. I do think power scaling wise tho she is above him but that doesn’t mean that she would win Fr they’re close enough in power for kaguyas power level to not be able to just over ride his hax
I don’t even know if kaguya would even scale to a lower rank sternritter, most schrift abilities would handler her- heck just hit her with a burner finger #1 and she’s probably toast😂
I mean maybe someone some of the otsutsuki from boruto like momoshiki would scale a bit better with the bleach verse but even then the scaling is insane with bleach and most people who aren’t able to interact with reatsu/spirit energy are already massively screwed since bleach is a multidimensional existence on earth with the split realms and.
she loses to a lot of sternritters ex: The Miracle, The Antithesis, The Balance, The X axsis, the Deathdealing, the love(if you think his ability would works since sexy jutsu technically worked) The visionary is debatable since bros kinda dumb everyone else gets mid diffed or high diffed
@@Belphemon1Gremmy would cookiefy her bones and it's over. Try to run from the meteorite when you can't even stand properly. The only reason Kenny didn't lose like this is that he has SP that high Gremmy's skills couldn't do anything to him.
Kaguya clocks this flop with ease💋Kaguya have merged with the concept of nature itself before, and the concept of good and evil is stated nonexistent to her. Her jutsu creates a conceptual world of dreams, and stated she can rewrite the world itself. Databook says she creates dimensions as she pleases, and in boruto stated she alters the history of mankind itself. She possesses the jutsu ‘creation of all things’ that originates from her, which allows its user to bring thoughts out of nothingness into reality, even materializing her will, a concept of her very being and not only that but was stated to going erase her dimension out of existence and recreated it. And since she embodies nature itself, the divine tree, she will always exist
Kaguya clocks this flop with ease💋Kaguya have merged with the concept of nature itself before, and the concept of good and evil is stated nonexistent to her. Her jutsu creates a conceptual world of dreams, and stated she can rewrite the world itself. Databook says she creates dimensions as she pleases, and in boruto stated she alters the history of mankind itself. She possesses the jutsu ‘creation of all things’ that originates from her, which allows its user to bring thoughts out of nothingness into reality, even materializing her will, a concept of her very being and not only that but was stated to going erase her dimension out of existence and recreated it. And since she embodies nature itself, the divine tree, she will always exist
in anime that is going to change, as kubo will focus on ichigos fate altering ability more, we already got a glimpse of it in the royal palace training
@@musayebquadry7481Honestly I am convinced that Ichigo always had the fate altering ability passively and unknowingly active the entire time! The number of crazy last minute power-ups and situations that would have been a lot worse if it weren't for the mere presence of Ichigo on the battlefield is insane! And this is not just for TYBW but the entirety of the series!
Great video, however you forgot to mention how Aizen in his "post chrysalis form" was able to destroy the Kototsu/the cleaner which is not only a creature made of reason but it can also manipulate time & space, hell in one of the data books it's stated that the Kototsu governs time and space. And Aizen was able to destroy it with just a glance.
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj the Kototsu doesn't warp time & space it controls and manipulates the flow of it to the point where it can send anything that touches it flying hundreds of years into the future, except for transcend beings like "true zanpakuto" Ichigo, Aizen, and Yhwach.
Let's not forget that off of Aizen's reiatsu, Kyoka Suigetsu was able to successfully use Absolute Hypnosis on Ywhach as well, so you could argue Aizen scales above him, not below him.
@@TheSteakJustice It would be a poor argument to make as the effect was very miniscule and even Aizen was surprised by it's effect. Aizen never used it in the same way he does against every other character. Yhawach scales above Aizen, that much is obvious.
Yhwach is just completely OP. Needed some major plot armor help to even have him vulnerable that wouldn't be able to be replicated outside of their verse.
Bruh Yhwach has the power of altering in his favor , Anything he foresee in the future changes so he wins . It's one of the most broken aspect about him . Besides you can't defeat him without still silver, and you can't make still silver unless you have bones of aushwahlen Quincy .Only one who perform aushwahlen is Yhwach himself, and you can't land still silver without breaking Yhwach perception . So it takes 3 major factors in order to defeat him while Kaguya has none of that in her possession.
@@wizels1403nah he has a bunch of hax but hax effecting a DBS character, it will be ignored as shown one guy who had a one shot abilities it was just ignored cuz Vegeta was stronger. he currently has haki which is existence erasure at it simplest form mean if yhwach's arm was hakai'ed he would not be able to change his future with his arm back. Vegeta does for sure have the base stats to catch and hit yhwach
@@smokeyjoseph1790 dude it existence erasure on the concept level cmon if he rewrites your existence to nothing or your abilities then they dont exist...Ywach survived those kind of attacks youll see what ichibei abilities are on the upcoming bleach episode
Idk if he talked about it since Ywhach isn’t a soul reaper , but just like how that truth seeker orb attacks their spirits, any strike from a soul reaper’s sword or abilities does the same thing
Actually, it's even worse. Remember, Soul Reapers simply make souls pass on. Quincy either obliterate souls from existence or tether their souls to Yhwach so he can absorb them.
I don't see how the gremmy galaxy room is only galaxy level. You can clearly see its incomparably bigger than a galaxy. Theres galaxies inside it and they look tiny. Shit looks like a picture taken by the hubble telescope. People always complain that everything in bleach is stated only but theres a visual image right there. Saying its galaxy because of the name is just doing what everyone complains about going only by words. The only statement needed is the one that says that he created it rather than opened the portal to it. And this is consistent since the novel also says gremmy is the soul king's brain so him making that is in line with the soul king making the realms. The argument against it is that those are just stars themselves but stars do not look like that nor do they form into those formations and shapes. I mean really look at it again. How people call that just a galaxy is crazy. At least 2 of the things look like galaxies and superclusters. Some of the things are stars. They are closer to the viewer. But the background stuff literally is just outer space like looking into our night sky and seeing the countless galaxies and stuff out there. The only possible argument against it is that the light novels are not canon. Otherwise at a minimum all the god tiers in bleach are as strong as however big that space is. Which is like 1 million times galaxy level. Maybe this came out before the finale of the new anime but now squad 0 is not fodder, there's another feat that lends a tiny bit more credibility to the strength of the top tiers (senjumaru shaking the skies of the realms) and then at the beginning of season 2 the 3 realms are represented as equivalent in size. So if one doesn't think yhwach is universal thats fine its a difference in opinion. But how does one think he's universal but not 3x that. If he is 1x universal surely he is 3x that since all the realms are equivalent. Also i don't think yamamoto can destroy soul society it makes no sense he's just a strong guy we can ignore that statement. The soul king related guys it makes more sense for since they are conntected to the guy that created them. I'm not trying to gas this up. I don't even think that the lightspeed stuff in most of these series is valid. I know it makes no sense for bleach characters to be universal but not even lightspeed but the 3x universal/multiversal stuff is way more concrete than the lightspeed stuff idk how you can argue against it. The lightspeed stuff is based on some shaky statements.
Thing is that Mr Yhwach is the first true existential threat to the bleach universe. The person that came close to being that was aizen but there was still people who could do something about him like Yamamoto, kisuke or ichigo as aizen had planned. But with Yhwach it was not gonna matter at all
Im pretty sure Kaguya would rizz up Yhwach as bro is suffering from parental issues. And sin Kaguya is suffering from childrenless issues they are perfect for eachother .
Kaguya didn't create these dimensions, they were already there and she just filled them and there is no proof of them being universal. The truth seeker orbs also don't destroy the soul, they negate ninjutsu. Yhwach also doesn't gain the abilities of the sternritter, just their power. It's stated that the abilities of the sternritters are abilities they've always had, and Yhwach just gave them power. He's never shown to actually have any of their abilities or uses any of them.
Finally some else spat facts , been tired of people saying Kaguya created those realms meanwhile it's the same case as Kamui , you also right about the fact Yuha doesn't own the shrifts the sterns have , he gives them power to amplify them
While I still 100% agree that Yhwach stomps here, The Almighty works a bit differently than worded here: 13:40 The power, souls, and memories do return to him, but their powers gained from the Schrift DO NOT return. This was why he never used any of the Sternritters abilities because it simply returns their Spiritual Power to him, buffing his own stats for lack of a better term
This isn’t necessarily true. He simply didn’t use them because the almighty well>everything else but nah all shrifts given to the stirnritter are just a piece of yhwachs power this is why he can use the ashwhalen light to return it back if he deems them not worthy
@@Tempest1018 Nah, that's your headcanon. Otherwiae he could just have won through The Balance. And also the Schrifts are not his, it's the piece of him that awakens that within them through the whole blood drinking thing he does. Another example would be The Miracle and other such nonsense.
@@Radiance_Buer True but others had theirs given by him so the point still kinda stands But this came up in the novels where kyoraku stated that Yhwach had all schrifts I think he was just too proud to use it
Both series can have similar levels of AP and speed depending on how you want to wank and/or downplay them. That's why it becomes contentious to have Naruto vs Ichigo or Aizen vs Madara. Plus there's a lot of people that try and claim Bleach isn't Light Speed because of Gin or Candice, completely ignoring any of the times where characters dodge actual light... but I digress. In this case, however, it doesn't matter. We can ignore any of the extra Schrifts Yhwach may have, we can say that Kaguya is stronger and faster than Yhwach, and we can even forgo giving Yhwach his Soul King form. Yhwach's Almighty, alone, is enough to neg anything Kaguya might do to him. It works by allowing Yhwach to see all futures and choose whichever future he wants, making it the new timeline. This means any attack Kaguya tries, no matter how strong, will simply be negged by Yhwach picking a future where he beats it. Beyond that, any and all powers he 'sees' in those futures can no longer effect him. This has been wanked to negging all powers, ever, because he can 'see' them all, but for the sake of argument I'm saying he just becomes immune to whichever powers he survives by changing timelines. Yhwach has shown to even neg death itself as well as his powers being removed. **And, to note, Ichibei's ability to control 'black' is the conceptual idea of the very ink in which Bleach is drawn. That's why the 'black' is able to rewrite things, because it's Ichibei essentially re-writing Bleach (the series) itself.** There are only two instances where Yhwach's ability cannot work. First is against the Soul King; Yhwach cannot perceive anything from the Soul King, even the divided parts, because the Soul King has an Almighty on a greater scale than Yhwach's. Uryuu is also able to somewhat counteract the Almighty thanks to his own Anithesis (which is a direct counter to pretty much all abilities) but even that can't stop Haschwalth from catching glimpses of his betrayal. There is nothing in Kaguya's arsenal that approaches the level needed to counter the Almighty, so she can do literally nothing to him. Kaguya also doesn't have a character like Tsukishima around to create new 'pasts' to allow timelines to exist outside of Yhwach's purview.
As someone who grew up and read & watched both series til their end, I can whole heartedly say naruto in his strongest form & madara in his strongest form, will get dusted from from Ichigo & aizen with low to mid difficulty
Kaguya have merged with the concept of nature itself before, and the concept of good and evil is stated nonexistent to her, and embodies life. Her jutsu creates a conceptual world of dreams, and stated she can rewrite the world itself. Databook says she creates dimensions as she pleases, and in boruto stated she had altered the history of mankind itself numerous times. She possesses the power of ‘creation of all things’, the first power stated to create the entire universe, and stated to transcend all form of creation & destruction, that allows her to bring imagination into reality out of nothingness, even materializing her will, a concept of her very being and not only that but was stated to going erase her dimension out of existence and recreated it. And since she embodies nature itself, the divine tree, she will always exist, also stated to be immortal. Even in her weakest incomplete self, she can absorb souls, and is immeasurable in power and physical attacks are useless to her, only life energy hurts her, or in her complete but weak state can absorb ANY being she makes contact with, including warping reality, mind manipulation, telekinesis.
Visionary is reality warping and based on gremmy scaling he’s only galaxy level. Ostsusuki are immune to reality warping (omnipotence showcased this) from anyone relative or lower in scaling
@@Tempest1018 you just gave the most retarded answer ever. Visionary doesn't care about anything. Everything Gremmy imagine, becomes reality. There is nothing else. Also CFYOW confirms Gremmy created an outer universe there, against Kenpachi. I saw your dumb scaling Kaguya to uni+. LUL. Neither of the dimensions she change are considered infinite. To scale her that high is pure highball headcannon.
Remember we also have composite ywatch which is even more broken. Which gives him all of the powers from his people. Since all of there souls/powers will return to him on death.
I thought kaguyas dimensions are just planests in one solar system all those planets so called dimensions only have one star.💀 I mean no proof of a universal of galaxy feet in naruto ngl. But for bleach i expected this still think yhwach is uni tho.
Aye, might need to remake this video, since in the anime it’s stated that any member from squad zero using a fraction of their unsealed power can cause all realms to tremble.
I really hated how YHWACH lost. He had all the broken powers that he could ask for and still lost to an illusion, an arrow and a backstab. He could see all futures and manipulate them. He should've won, it would've been a better ending
@@dferas5535the futures he could see are possibilities and how he affects them then becomes fate. Ichigo them changes that fate. Atleast that's what his true power is speculated to be. And really once you factor in Aizen and the arrow, only then is Yhwach fighting a losing battle because at that point your entire reality is based off of Aizen's will for it.
@@dferas5535 don't listen to him that's just pure headcanon. We don't know what ichigos bankai is so until we get a reveal the claim that ichigos bankai can "manipulate fate" is headcanon.
The reason is because of the one flaw in yhwachs powers, one that even he is aware of but can't explain.....and to this point in time, we can't even fully explain. And that flaw is....Uryu. Somehow, Uryu is immune to the negative effects of Yhwach's powers. He is immune to auswahlen, yet is able to be healed by it. Yhwach was unable to see him via the almighty during his final battle. Interestingly, Haschwalth was able to see him with the almighty but he wasn't able to use its full power. So yeah, that's how Yhwach was defeated. He was incapable of seeing Uryu through the almighty, Uryu disabled his powers using the Stil silver, which created an opening for Ichigo to strike and kill him. None of this "ichigo's power affects fate" headcanon.
Right and let’s take into account how even Ichigo used mugetsu he was still using like about 30%-50% of his power due to the badge suppressing the rest so who knows what the full power final getsuga can really do.
@@SmashSetK The badge suppression stopped effecting Ichigo after he became Vasto Lorde, as shown in the manga when the badge disintegrates. That's why he was suddenly so much more powerful than prior transformations. He didn't re-enter his body and re-use the badge, so the nerf wasn't active for the rest of the Fake Karakura arc. However, considering Fake Zangetsu openly stated that he never allowed Ichigo to use the full extent of his power, that implies even Mugetsu is that 'fraction' Fake Zangetsu allowed. So, it is still possible for Ichigo only using 25% of his power or so in the Final Getsuga state.
@@powerscallingfiend ulquirras lance thing blew up what looked like the size of lost nachos, lost nachos looks like its about the size of a city. Yamamotos bankai threatened to destroy all of soul society. Ywach threatened to alter the fabric of all the bleach realities. These aren't like, guy on reddit doing pixel counts to exaggerate, its literally just what happens in the anime/manga
@@bobowon5450 Ulqs attack was stated to only DESTROY a massive place, I believe Kubo said it could wipe multiple states but in terms of AP, Ulq is definitely at bare minimum multi cont
if someone was actually thinkign this was even remotely competitive as a battle, theydidnt watch either anime. Yhach, can literally rewrite reality and see all past present and future and retroactively change it after the fact. one of his powers is simply imagination lol.. he literally tanked AND SCALES ABOVE aizen, a character whos presence erases mortals from reality and has literally one shot the cleaner, a creature representing the concept of reason and the infinite space it resided in lol. Ywach just base line way outscales pretty much all the otsuski we have seen in naruto by an extreme margin. this is a no diff fight,
The "lightning" speed feat was actually a mistranslation. Uryu was firing light through his bow from the start of series; some of which ichigo was hit by and dodged; as well as characters like uryu blitzing their shadow in the soul society invasion arc and hes relevant to shikai Ichigo. Urahara also does the 20x cero speed attack in base
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Im pretty sure a spacetime has to be universal to infinite in size in order for it to be 4D, otherwise creating something like a galaxy would be 4D, which makes no sense
Alright Tempest. I belive you miss some really good points. Toshiro stated that those realms are Hoshi whcuh means Planet/str .. ltr on Kisuke stated that a town from the wotl suddenly appeared above the serithel! Lkke this nake no sense . Also when yama was usung bis bankai the Moisture was disappearing like I'd outside of earth there is Moisture so it debunk the solor system.
@@Tempest1018why can't they be planets? I've never seen them refured to as there own separate space-times, only as worlds or realms. Plus there only described by being given the attributes of planets like " the soul society's atmosphere" or "Hueco Mundo's moon is a reflection of the world of the livings moon", I would find it very weird phrasing that an entire solar system owns a single moon or that the entire solar system has an atmosphere or that the entire solar system has a day and night cycle....
What in the actual F ... Yhwach destroys all known Ootsutsuki combined the only one i could even START considering might be Shibai and that's because of how obscure he remains since other than him no Naruto character come even close not even the very strongest combined as a group do ...
@@Tempest1018 wrong my brother Yhwach can just steal the power of oponents through Sankt Alter he doesn't even need medallions and isn't even limited to stealing Bankais with that go and reread the Ichibei fight he also has such a high durability that he literally received no damage from a Hado 99 from TYBW Hougyoku Aizen ...
@@isaacduda4571bro I knew this dude was slow when he not only thought yhwach vs kaguya was even close, but when he though ichigo loses to naruto like what? 😭
I heavily disagree with saying space=spacetime, not only is that an appeal to reality, but that's also just wrong, when we say something like space or outer space, we usually mean the physical universe or what lies within it, such as galaxies, planets, stars etc. And those two terms are clearly not mutually exclusive, because why is obito's dimension called a time-space, but kaguya's is not? It clearly indicates a difference between the two, space meaning something more 3 dimensional, and in japanese, the raw kanji which was "kukan" means, space/location/place. And how convenient that not only are kaguya's "dimensions" called spaces in every instance, but the data book also makes it clear that her spaces are literally just the planets of ice, gravity, sand, acid, and lava. It makes no mention of a star, or moons, the kanji for "dimension" doesn't even appear at all, its more like "space" or "ball space" further proving that they are meerly different planets scattered across the universe. Which also makes sense seeming as otsutsuki literally go planet to planet to plant the 10 tails seeds to form a god tree. It is much more likely that upon eating the chakra fruit, she either gained access to these already existing planets, or that she found them and terraformed the planets into her personal domain, in which she would connect her spacetime ninjutsu to teleport to each of them when she wants. Another thing on the obito point, you left out the part where obito also calls it a "space". Obito sayin, "its kind of like a spacetime" he was literally just talking about kaguya's portals. Why do you think he compared it to his own in the panel? You are leaving out context, how convenient that obito makes no mention of the space when comparing portals, but then he does afterword's by saying he will resonate his kamui with kaguya's portals, in which he says "connect the space". There is a clear indication between the two and without any mention of it being a separate spacetime, spatial-temporal separation or any of the sorts, she caps at planet level.
Why your scale always changing. In Naruto vs Ichigo. Naruto is more narratively accurate, to be calced at universal. Then in the Madara vs Aizen video. You stated Madara was multi-planetary-Solar System level. Which is accurate. Here you stating Kaguya is solar system level. When Universal Naruto is literally contengent on Kaguya and Momoshiki's dimensions being implied to be universes. I do agree Ywach wins off pure hax. But Kaguya is not getting "one shotted". Without almighty they're close to each other in scale. Where its a toss up. With Almighty Ywach takes it. Cause while Novels and such imply her dimensions are universes. In Storm 4 theyre just straight up shown to be universes. And according to the games directors Kishimoto approves the game timeline to be part of the series. Its practically the game timeline.
In naruto vs ichigo not only was i nee to scaling but i think the way i scaled them was ass on Both sides. Madara vs aizen is different madara doesnt touch or get anywhere past multi planetary as he doesnt scale to kaguya etc etc. yes without almighty they are close but with it, its not yhwach would win. And i did mention the improved universally scaling for kaguya in this video but i hope this clears everything up👍🏾
Kaguya have merged with the concept of nature itself before, and the concept of good and evil is stated nonexistent to her, and embodies life. Her jutsu creates a conceptual world of dreams, and stated she can rewrite the world itself. Databook says she creates dimensions as she pleases, and in boruto stated she had altered the history of mankind itself numerous times. She possesses the power of ‘creation of all things’, the first power stated to create the entire universe, and stated to transcend all form of creation & destruction, that allows her to bring imagination into reality out of nothingness, even materializing her will, a concept of her very being and not only that but was stated to going erase her dimension out of existence and recreated it. And since she embodies nature itself, the divine tree, she will always exist, also stated to be immortal. Even in her weakest incomplete self, she can absorb souls, and is immeasurable in power and physical attacks are useless to her, only life energy hurts her, or in her complete but weak state can absorb ANY being she makes contact with, including warping reality, mind manipulation, telekinesis.
Due to the time speed/velocity, how big the chibaku tensai is and the time frame the chibaku tensai took to form from naruto and sasuke perform is calculated to small star level to star level mid ball
@@theonetrueedgelord3596 The Sun is 864,400 miles (1,391,000 kilometers) across. This is about 109 times the diameter of Earth. The Sun weighs about 333,000 times as much as Earth. It is so large that about 1,300,000 planet Earths can fit inside of it.
Yhwach higher dimensionality scaling is really easy Aizen being on a higher plane of existence than the 3rd dimension and Ichigo being on a higher dimension than this Aizen who Yhwach scales above. Giving Yhwach low ball 5D dimensionality. A more complex scaling is the fact that for The reio to affect the 3 world's you need to have interdimentional powers and Yhwach is currently doing that. There's more ways to get Yhwach to a higher dimensionality including the gargantua scaling (affecting/creating a space that holds infinite constructs requires higher dimensional powers) Yhwach scales above Kaguya and out-hax's her You can also give strength and Ap to Yhwach to due to fact that your Reiastu= your strength,ap&dc as well... And him having higher dimensional powers would just mean GG's
7:46 that actually makes it inconsistent as him Bankai is only as hot as the core of the sun and the soul king’s palace in the upper atmosphere was unaffected.
There is a 72 layer barrier between the soul society and the royal palace . This set of barriers is what aizen needed the oaken to get through, and is actually one of the few things that is beyond yamamoto
@@christheanimeguy6114 the royal palace is still just in the upper atmosphere. This would mean Yamamoto’s can’t reach the upper atmosphere or anything beyond it and that the characters are referring to the planet when they say Yamamoto will destroy the soul society.
@@onesmart229 the royal palace calcs at being further from the soul society than our moon is from earth. Plus with the 72 layer barrier there it makes sense he wouldn't be able to effect it. I personally always thought that by "the soul society " they were only talking about the planet, especially considering the number of stars in the universe with none of them individually being a threat to the universe.
@@christheanimeguy6114 the anime depict the royal palace as in the upper atmosphere and the calcs are usually based on inconsistent pixel scaling. Yeah at least we agree the soul society is most likely the planet
@@onesmart229 actually the calcs aren't based on pixel scaling, they are based on the statements from the zero division about how long it will take ichigo to get back to the soul society from the royal palace. Ichigo is told that using shunpo it would take a week to get back. Just calculating that at free fall speed puts the royal palace at around 20,160 miles above the soul society (more than twice the distance that our upper atmosphere extends), which doesn't factor for increased speed due to use of shunpo. Most people agree that even though the data book statement about ichigo moving like lightning in his battle with byakuya is hyperbolic, it is pretty consistent with the series scaling. At this point ichigo is stronger and faster in shikai than with his fake bankai, if we take lightning speed and multiply by the half of a day that ichigo estimates it will take him if he hurries it surpasses the distance between the earth and moon. Coming in at 3,240,000 miles, and the moon sits at around 238,900 miles from earth. So even traveling at a speed significantly lower than lightning would still put the royal palace at being further than the moon .
All fax also by the logic some people go with sauske should be able to switch places with anything anywhere without being able to see it which you know now he has never done
He has switched places with something behind himself during the kenshiki fight, so it doesn't have to be something he sees, it just has to be within a finite range
o no definitely doesn't have to be in direct sight but people over here saying he can switch across country's which he cant there is a range which madara even said when he first fought sasuke with it thats the funny part we are told it had a range and it was like a few miles@@christheanimeguy6114
Oh so Yhwach, the guy who literally sees multiple future outcome and then picks to win VS. Kaguya who literally relies on Zetsu to give her directions to attack or use abilities.
The kyogoku is apart of the garganta 1. 2. You saying it could be a mistranslation doesn’t prove it is. Which is why i said any claim that its not a star in reference to kaguya must be proven by the claimant in this cause yourself
@@Tempest1018 I'm saying that it could be the case because I have multiple translations that also show it could be a subspace or hyperspace. So we cannot say its automatically a hyper space. Even then a hyperspace isn't always uni+.
when you talk, try to take breathes from your abs/stomache rather than from your chest. When your breathe in your chest should stay still and your stomach should expand outward. It'll stop your voice from sounding very shallow and a little nasally, and make it give it more "body" and depth. Might also help to talk slower and take a lot more breathes between words
Yhwach being able to destroy the 3 realms is easily Multiversal if you add Garganta then he's Outer, you can call the Outer scaling a wank but Multiversal scaling is very consistent, why is that? I think SS and WOTL are universes in their own rights
You are right tbh, they are universes in their own right, we clearly see stars, sun, moon and everything that we usually see in a universe in all 3 realms so to still think of them as just planets is well kinda stupid tbh, these are complete universes you are right
@@Tempest1018 No that's not my reason for calling them universes. WOTL is a replica of our real world and we obviously live in a universe, SS is parallel to WOTL making it the same size, when we watch fiction we automatically assign properties of the real world to the objects we see "except there's a statement that says otherwise". For example when we see the sun, stars, moon and atmosphere we automatically use real world information to assign properties to it we don't need a statement that says their specific sizes, properties and oxygen content, if not we won't be able to calculate any feat at all. But when it comes to Bleach, downplayers want a specific statement that says the universe is actually 93 billion light years, or an image that shows all the celestial bodies in a universe just to believe it's actually a universe or they want it to be stated that the light in bleach universe moves at 299,792,458m/s you get my point?
@@Ghost-yc7eq Like if they were just planets, day and night won't exist, everywhere just gonna be dark with no light source, the earth can't even survive without a sun, people don't realize the implication of what they say
It depends one where you scale yhwach , because if we scale the bleach worlds as in literal planets. We know the soul king power was used to create 3 of these planets ( and it seems to take up all of the soul king power to maintain the 3 planets.). This means that Yhwach / soul king feat is less then that of kaguya who can create 6 planetary sized dimensions casually. Meaning is is casually much more powerful then the strongest being in bleach . Ofc assuming you scale there worlds to planetry .
Yhwach is too broken of a character to lose. It actually makes me upset someone submit this match up to Death Battle's Tournament of Champions. I'm a huge Bleach fan while never been into Naruto myself.
People have been down playing Naruto for years now it's kind of insane let's get into the scaling Naruto during the fourth great ninja war was able to stop a total of 5 bijou bombs with only half of kurama overall power kurama in the fourth data book being able to turn the world to Ash again in the 4th Data book with the introduction of KCM2 stated that kcm2 has Earth shattering power so this would narratively be consistent Naruto and Sasuke in final valley we're able to create a multi Continental feat and were able to create a moon level chibuku tensei in Naruto the last a part of Naruto's chakra was able to blow up parts of the moon also toneri casually was able to split the moon and having multiple statements that he could destroy the planet a base Naruto was able to one shot him now let's get to the crazy stuff when Naruto existence was causing tears through the entire when kinshiki discover the tears he had no idea where the Earth was they literally went on whole search and when they found it he said this is the region kaguya was in charge of since kinshiki literally didn't even know where the Earth means these tears were occurring through the entire universe when he found them plus every time the Earth was mentioned it was referred to as a region which means a small area of something larger or an indefinite area of the world or the universe so Naruto's chakras was causing tears through the entire universe this is a casual feat he was literally just existing if I'm not mistaken this would qualify as a universal feat off of him significantly affecting the entire universe significantly affecting could work by shaking the entire universe or warping the entire universe or in this sense affecting space across the entire universe so that's what you get anywhere to universal to high universal depending on how big you think the Naruto universe is.kaguya being able to Warp the entire Naruto universe of course I don't mean the entire Naruto cosmology I mean the main Naruto universe she does this with the ability known as Amenominaka she warps the space of the world or dimensions that she's and and switches it with a different one and the main Naruto space or dimension of course is a universe so she was able to casually warp the entire universe in instant and of course for those who choose to be disingenuous and believe that she just moves the people to the other world just as knowing that kayuga doesn't Warp the people but the spaces themselves if that's not enough for you of course there's evidence it's already blatantly stated in the Data book that she moves the world that she in you can also see motion lines in the space around the characters but not on the characters you can literally see the space getting warped in the manga it stated that she rearranges the spaces how people still deny this is crazy it also says she summons an alternate dimension it also mentions that she transforms the space themselves it also mentioned that she rewrite the world you honestly be better off arguing that the Naruto that the Naruto universe is like a planet in size and no it's not a hacks ability since he's using her own chakra so yes it expands a significant amount of chakra chakra being her life force and her source of energy and gets incredibly consistent talking about other like the 10 tails who's been stated to create the main Naruto universe over seven different times while the remaining four state that the universe was created by yin and yang which is an ability granted by the 10 tails which statement saying that the 10 ten tails has a immeasurable and infinite power. We know that in multiple mediums momoshiki was able to create a parallel universe since every time his is dimension are reference to it uses the word isekai within the boruto movie novelization if you going to any Japanese dictionary or translator you will see isekai means parallel universe isekai other definition means alternate dimension which it can't be because these dimensions have have stars in them meaning that they are inherently bigger than just planet dimensions to validate this we know that in his dimension it was a rising Sun and the light of this rising Sun actually hit boruto just to clarify one more time this sun in the stars that we see are in the same dimension so the only definition would be parallel universe it also States in this novel that kaguya could create isekai which means parallel universe in the anime it stated that she's capable of making a parallel universe the official summaries even back this up provided by the uzumaki report it's like an extended summary says episode 64 rescue Naruto a battle in a parallel universe not just stated ones but stated twice it was even stated he was draining chakra from beyond this parallel universe and a 50% Naruto was able to beat him also kekkai was being used (kekkai) is commonly used in manga/anime to describe a barrier or a pocket universe on larger scales he also ate a star in Shinobi no you novel 3 we don't even have to talk about his speed since we already know he's massively faster than light based off of haku and Madara light fang stop the Naruto downplay
Yhwach Completely shreds Kaguya. Neg Dif. Aida is planetary to maybe Large Planetary, as she UNCONSCIOUSLY (which proves she had no control over limiting her output) affected the Entire Earth with her "Omnipotence", which is related to her AP due to it ofc being consumed by Chakra, btw she was Completely drained and passed out when she used that technique. (I am not certain how big Naruto's Earth is, so take that what you will). Aida is constantly stated to be stronger than Jigen who No Diffed Naruto AND Sasuke. In short, Aida >>>> Jigen >>>>>>>>> New Era Naruto/Sasuke ≈ Momoshiki >>Kaguya Kenpachi vs Azashiro was stated to be able to collapse the entire Dangai. Which was said to be planetary in size. Said Kenpachi along with other Captains couldn't destroy Yukio's Dimension containing Ichigo. Said Ichigo while yes fatigued BUT was enhanced by Blut, which is a Bankai multiplier. Thus can cancel each other out in a way. Still lost to Non-Almighty Yhwach. In short, Soul King Yhwh ∞> Almighty Yhwach >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-Almighty Yhwach >>>>> Blut enhanced Fullbring Bankai Ichigo > Fullbring Bankai Ichigo >> SAFWY/Lost Agent Kenpachi
Eidas ability is NOT an ap feat that quite literally blatant. She doesn’t scale to even scale to isshiki or naruto. Momoshiki isnt relative to full power naruto and sasuke stop💀 the dangai is also never stated to be have à quantifiable size either. Yes yhwach>kaguya but lets stop saying blatantly false things for the sake of who we think wins.
Nah Ywach is universal+. The Soul society is shown to have constellations, and even contains an infinite-space in the "Muken" while also being stated to be a parralel to the "World of the living" which world in Japanese can mean univerae or world, and occams razor would dictate it being a universe. Even characters like the silver-surfer aizen was beyond the concept of reason and could destroy beings like the cleaner which govern the space-time of an infinite precipise world where time flows differently and is "unable to be dealt with" while Yamamoto exists and has existence erasure in his arsenal. This same aizen being a dimensional tier below Dangai ichigo before releasing Mugetsu, who hes relevant to a stronger ichigo in the fight vs Ywach.
kaguya obviously out scales ywach but no way she gets around those hax, even kubbo had to create some random magic arrow to stop ywach instead of just letting ichigo over power him even tho ichigo should out scale ywach as well
@@KevinCorbin-gd9kp yeah she does, ywach needed to pull the linch pin of the 3 worlds to make them spill into each other to create a new world, kaguya created 5 dimensions (solar at bare minimum) and had the ability to destroy them with a giant truth seeking orb to “start a new” (reset the world after destroying it) which is vastly greater than any physical thing ywach has ever created or destroyed. Ywach wasn’t even strong enough to make the worlds collapse on his own, if he was he wouldn’t of needed to destroy to linch pin or even infiltrate the soul society to eventually kill the soul king (linchpin of the three worlds) to make said worlds collapse into each other to create a new world. Kaguya with her own power can create and destroy her dimensions as she pleases( bare minimum solar sized)
Something you didn't even touch on was Gremmy's IMAGINATION whatever he imagines manifests.... Yhwach obtained this power after Kenpachi killed Gremmy so Yhwach manifests THE SAME POWERS AS HER , then changes her future to one where SHE HAS NO POWERS and kills THE BITCH WHERE SHE STANDS🤣
I don't know why we are in 2023 and people still say that the Soul Society is a planet when you can see that there are thousands of stars in tosen flashback, a sun and a moon, the royal dimension and the valley of screams and muken same thing with hyoko mondo😂
Ppl just read the wiki to geta jist of an series, ppl don't read shit
The novels literally states the one universe was split into 3 realms and each of these realms has many infinite things in it and garganta is literally called as hyperspace
@@JT-km6thU Childs didn't read the Novels.🤡
We all knew Yhwach was going to win
On god. Didn't even have to watch the video to know the outcome 😭 literally coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb meme
@@Tempest1018 nuh uh
@@Tempest1018no shit all bleach characters are based off of hax except for kenpachi
@@compulantgaming1995Kenpachi is the embodiment of a “cutting” concept. Wym?
Kenpachi shikai alone scales above Kaguya by his power. He will just cut through TSO, through time and space and just split her apart.
@@albuspercivalwulfricbriand5363 I'm not saying he can't beat her I'm just saying kenpachi doesn't have hax hes just very fucking strong and skilled he doesn't have a bunch of abilities like kido techniques
Bruh! the fact that Senjumaru shook the Three Worlds just by releasing her Bankai! 💀
She shook the Universe
Realms not universe
@@kvghhddj7251realms in bleach = universes kid
@@kvghhddj7251she literally stated heaven and earth pf the 3 worlds. Heaven and earth is literally a phrase implying all of existence. Thats 3 universe sized realms. Can yall read?
@@azizuchiha8372 who told you that did you write it yourself.
Even after downplaying Yhwach he still won..?😮
Lol it’s because the gap is that big between the two
Nah fr😂😂
"squad 0 are fodder "
This didn't age well
No way she is beating Yhwach
No way anyone is being ywach unless it’s snapping a finger out of existence and THATS assuming there’s a future he doesn’t see himself dying. He’s literally one of those gods you write yourself in a corner with
He is so powerful that even the author couldn’t think of a way proper way to kill him lol. I find this worse than madara tbh
@applesaucelord368 I'm sure Kubo had a rough idea as to how to actually kill Yhwach, but due to Shueisha rushing Kubo to finish Bleach, he opted to the silver arrow bs straight out of a horror film. Here's to hoping the anime will completely change the way Ichigo defeats Yhwach
@@itsamekevin I hope so too
@@applesaucelord368the anime is supposed to fix a lot of the stuff that was rushed in bleach and it's directly being worked on by kubo, also at this point in the manga we would be close to the end but there's still 2 seasons of the anime left so there's gonna be a lot of new content
Bleach cosmology scales above Naruto cosmology and Yhwach scales *above* the Bleach cosmology passively while Kaguya really just scales to her own dimension which is at most only Uni+
And that’s just raw AP, not even taking into account hax and abilities in which Yhwach would stomp even with his stats being reduced to literal ant level 💀
AP deff goes to kaguya but Ywach still would win the fight so it doesn’t really matter
@@IchigoTheQuincy No, no AP does not go to Kaguya, AP by far goes to Yhwach, and it's not even close.
@@TuckerBowChicka1 well are you actually going to give reasons? because I’m only able to think up more reasons why it should go to Kaguya currently.
@@WarFox7012yhwach is strong enough to merge the three realms, each of them being their own spacetimes, putting him at low multi. Thats not even close to his best feat tho, he scales way higher off of ichigo and aizen
How does bleach scale over Naruto…. Both series have planet busting ap
Laughed my ass off at every single Kaguya feat knowing it wouldn't even matter. Watched it in full, everyone already knows who's gonna win.
I hate people bringing up her being universal because of her destroying her dimensions but that doesn't make much sense because if you made the dimension it's obv you can just make it disappear or destroy it yourself. There's a difference in deactivating your ability and destroying a whole universe that you don't have control of but that's just me I might be wrong
@@astogeno6498It's incredibly disingenuous to claim that destroying a physical universe is no different than turning off your ability just because it's a universe you made. Being able to create a universe and them destroy that universe still makes you universal. The fact that you created it doesn't suddenly make it not universal when you then destroy it.
@@hiibejebiibii3832the problem is that you cant get her past uni since her dimensions were never stated to be unirversal to begin with
@nkosinathisibiya600 I don't enough about her dimensions to argue that point, so I'll concede that. I wasn't talking about Kaguya specifically, though. I was addressing astogeno's point that a character destroying a universe they created somehow isn't universal just because they created it. As though it somehow takes less power to destroy a universe that you yourself created than one that you didn't, which is nonsense, at least on its own.
@@hiibejebiibii3832 ouk that cool
As a naruto fanboy this one stings but i can accept this yhwach is just way to haxed and the strongest in his verse.
Personally I think Yama is stronger than him but it doesn’t really matter bc hax alone he stomps
@@IchigoTheQuincyYama definitely isn't, he beat Pre-Soul King Yhwach, Post Soul Yhwach was fucking unstoppable
Do you really think someone with Yhwach ability in any other anime or show would be able to defeat him. I don't think anyone would be crazy to make a guy be able to see every future and change every single one of them so you have no chance of winning. Yhwach literally broke Ichigos bankai in every future just so he couldn't use it anymore and it is stated that once bankai is broken it can't be repaired.
@@BlazingAce20 Ywach was terrible at using his own powers wym? How u have it like that and FUMBLE THE BAG he could legit do whatever he wants and see/alter the future but could not see Aizens hypnosis OR the silver arrow coming, to be fair the only reason he lost to ichigo is bc he met him but it’s still insane. Idk how u say there’s no chance of him losing when we the story ends with him losing
@@bootlegspinjutsu9966 post soul king absorption is hard to scale. But we’ve never seen Yama go all out bc it would destroy the entire soul society and his there’s nothing else in the series that threatens the entire soul society just by existing besides Yamamotos Bankai. Just it being out threatens the entire exisitence of the soul society let alone if he were to just fully unleash it. His blade becomes as hot as the core of the sun. Maybe Ywach would still win bc of hax but I still think like AP wise Yama would be over Ywach imo
Yhwach wins before the fight even starts 😂
😂😂😂
Yeah
@@WeyardWizI see you every where
@@kolawoleosikomaiya1556
BANKAI!
No Kaguya clocks him 😌
Yhwach should beat kaguya
CAP
he does
@@IchigoTheQuincyhope your joking since just DeathDealing basically instantly makes he lose
@@ketto2034 nah he kaguya real shit can’t get past his hax, only thing I can think of is sealing with a truth seeking orb or trapping him in one of her dimensions but idek if that would work for real bc of almighty. I do think power scaling wise tho she is above him but that doesn’t mean that she would win Fr they’re close enough in power for kaguyas power level to not be able to just over ride his hax
this is not even a question yhwach slams not only kaguya also the verse
I don’t even know if kaguya would even scale to a lower rank sternritter, most schrift abilities would handler her- heck just hit her with a burner finger #1 and she’s probably toast😂
I mean maybe someone some of the otsutsuki from boruto like momoshiki would scale a bit better with the bleach verse but even then the scaling is insane with bleach and most people who aren’t able to interact with reatsu/spirit energy are already massively screwed since bleach is a multidimensional existence on earth with the split realms and.
she loses to a lot of sternritters ex: The Miracle, The Antithesis, The Balance, The X axsis, the Deathdealing, the love(if you think his ability would works since sexy jutsu technically worked) The visionary is debatable since bros kinda dumb everyone else gets mid diffed or high diffed
@@Belphemon1Gremmy would cookiefy her bones and it's over. Try to run from the meteorite when you can't even stand properly. The only reason Kenny didn't lose like this is that he has SP that high Gremmy's skills couldn't do anything to him.
*kaguya get UGLY BASTARD'D by Pepe's love*
PEPE-SAMA, I KNEEEEL!
She prob scales to Beginning hueco Mundo arc Ichigo tbh
people thought kaguya could win?
Kaguya clocks this flop with ease💋Kaguya have merged with the concept of nature itself before, and the concept of good and evil is stated nonexistent to her. Her jutsu creates a conceptual world of dreams, and stated she can rewrite the world itself. Databook says she creates dimensions as she pleases, and in boruto stated she alters the history of mankind itself. She possesses the jutsu ‘creation of all things’ that originates from her, which allows its user to bring thoughts out of nothingness into reality, even materializing her will, a concept of her very being and not only that but was stated to going erase her dimension out of existence and recreated it. And since she embodies nature itself, the divine tree, she will always exist
@@WinniePooh33I ain't reading allat, Yhwach slams + claps Naruto/Boruto verse 🥱. You coping is all part of Aizen's plan
@@WinniePooh33 I agree with the fella above me that's alot of words
@@ofJesusChristTheLord shibai>>>bleach , soul king, yheach 👍
Yhwach beating out another Naruto character is just another day in the office 😂😂
Kaguya clocks this flop with ease💋Kaguya have merged with the concept of nature itself before, and the concept of good and evil is stated nonexistent to her. Her jutsu creates a conceptual world of dreams, and stated she can rewrite the world itself. Databook says she creates dimensions as she pleases, and in boruto stated she alters the history of mankind itself. She possesses the jutsu ‘creation of all things’ that originates from her, which allows its user to bring thoughts out of nothingness into reality, even materializing her will, a concept of her very being and not only that but was stated to going erase her dimension out of existence and recreated it. And since she embodies nature itself, the divine tree, she will always exist
@@WinniePooh33 A lot of yapping
Still Base aizen victim😂 @@WinniePooh33
@@akashck9684 Kaguya true form is six dimensional 💀
@@WinniePooh33Admit already that ur a Simp.🤡
This is random, but It just occurred to me that a weakened true bankai Ichigo was able to 1 shot a soul king absorbed yhwach TWICE
It was actually even more impressive since it was true shikai ichigo not bankai and he wasn't even using his zanpakuto he was using yhwach's sword.
@@reginaldb.pensworth2545 Uh no. You misread it.
in anime that is going to change, as kubo will focus on ichigos fate altering ability more, we already got a glimpse of it in the royal palace training
@@musayebquadry7481Honestly I am convinced that Ichigo always had the fate altering ability passively and unknowingly active the entire time! The number of crazy last minute power-ups and situations that would have been a lot worse if it weren't for the mere presence of Ichigo on the battlefield is insane! And this is not just for TYBW but the entirety of the series!
@@mugenshiratori6825If that is true, that would be Amazing!
Great video, however you forgot to mention how Aizen in his "post chrysalis form" was able to destroy the Kototsu/the cleaner which is not only a creature made of reason but it can also manipulate time & space, hell in one of the data books it's stated that the Kototsu governs time and space.
And Aizen was able to destroy it with just a glance.
@Averagespidarenjoyer-lr5sj the Kototsu doesn't warp time & space it controls and manipulates the flow of it to the point where it can send anything that touches it flying hundreds of years into the future, except for transcend beings like "true zanpakuto" Ichigo, Aizen, and Yhwach.
Let's not forget that off of Aizen's reiatsu, Kyoka Suigetsu was able to successfully use Absolute Hypnosis on Ywhach as well, so you could argue Aizen scales above him, not below him.
@@TheSteakJustice It would be a poor argument to make as the effect was very miniscule and even Aizen was surprised by it's effect. Aizen never used it in the same way he does against every other character. Yhawach scales above Aizen, that much is obvious.
@TheSteakJustice based on the fight I would consider them comparable.
well aizens power is directly linked to that kind of stuff, sadly yhwach has nothing to do against dimension travel
Yhwach wouldnt even need Almighty to demolish Kaguya
Ah. A video from before Squad Zero beat the fraud allegations.
Ah man Squad 0 Zero being fodder aged bad here LOL
Now THIS aged super well😭🙏
Kaguya would be evaporated before she even comes near Ywach, Ichigo, or Aizen
Yhwach is just completely OP. Needed some major plot armor help to even have him vulnerable that wouldn't be able to be replicated outside of their verse.
Kaguya never stood a chance tbh, and this coming from a die hard naruto fan
Bruh Yhwach has the power of altering in his favor , Anything he foresee in the future changes so he wins . It's one of the most broken aspect about him . Besides you can't defeat him without still silver, and you can't make still silver unless you have bones of aushwahlen Quincy .Only one who perform aushwahlen is Yhwach himself, and you can't land still silver without breaking Yhwach perception . So it takes 3 major factors in order to defeat him while Kaguya has none of that in her possession.
YAY!!! IM A BIGFAV NARUTO IM HAPPY YOU MADE ANOTHER NARUTO VID KEEP IT UP
There is literally no way any character from naruto can beat him
Any character at all. Unless they have omniscience as well
@@wizels1403nah he has a bunch of hax but hax effecting a DBS character, it will be ignored as shown one guy who had a one shot abilities it was just ignored cuz Vegeta was stronger. he currently has haki which is existence erasure at it simplest form mean if yhwach's arm was hakai'ed he would not be able to change his future with his arm back. Vegeta does for sure have the base stats to catch and hit yhwach
@@smokeyjoseph1790ywach survived existence erasure tho from ichibei
@@nkosinathisibiya600 then really he's still there and no absolute existence erasure hakai is existence erasure at it fundamental level
@@smokeyjoseph1790 dude it existence erasure on the concept level cmon if he rewrites your existence to nothing or your abilities then they dont exist...Ywach survived those kind of attacks youll see what ichibei abilities are on the upcoming bleach episode
Idk if he talked about it since Ywhach isn’t a soul reaper , but just like how that truth seeker orb attacks their spirits, any strike from a soul reaper’s sword or abilities does the same thing
Actually, it's even worse. Remember, Soul Reapers simply make souls pass on. Quincy either obliterate souls from existence or tether their souls to Yhwach so he can absorb them.
I don't see how the gremmy galaxy room is only galaxy level. You can clearly see its incomparably bigger than a galaxy. Theres galaxies inside it and they look tiny. Shit looks like a picture taken by the hubble telescope. People always complain that everything in bleach is stated only but theres a visual image right there. Saying its galaxy because of the name is just doing what everyone complains about going only by words.
The only statement needed is the one that says that he created it rather than opened the portal to it. And this is consistent since the novel also says gremmy is the soul king's brain so him making that is in line with the soul king making the realms.
The argument against it is that those are just stars themselves but stars do not look like that nor do they form into those formations and shapes. I mean really look at it again. How people call that just a galaxy is crazy. At least 2 of the things look like galaxies and superclusters. Some of the things are stars. They are closer to the viewer. But the background stuff literally is just outer space like looking into our night sky and seeing the countless galaxies and stuff out there.
The only possible argument against it is that the light novels are not canon. Otherwise at a minimum all the god tiers in bleach are as strong as however big that space is. Which is like 1 million times galaxy level.
Maybe this came out before the finale of the new anime but now squad 0 is not fodder, there's another feat that lends a tiny bit more credibility to the strength of the top tiers (senjumaru shaking the skies of the realms) and then at the beginning of season 2 the 3 realms are represented as equivalent in size. So if one doesn't think yhwach is universal thats fine its a difference in opinion. But how does one think he's universal but not 3x that. If he is 1x universal surely he is 3x that since all the realms are equivalent.
Also i don't think yamamoto can destroy soul society it makes no sense he's just a strong guy we can ignore that statement. The soul king related guys it makes more sense for since they are conntected to the guy that created them.
I'm not trying to gas this up. I don't even think that the lightspeed stuff in most of these series is valid. I know it makes no sense for bleach characters to be universal but not even lightspeed but the 3x universal/multiversal stuff is way more concrete than the lightspeed stuff idk how you can argue against it. The lightspeed stuff is based on some shaky statements.
Gremmy creating a galaxy/universe is a pure hax because Gremmy can turn anything he imagines to reality so that doesn't scale to his AP....
It scales kenpachi tho as he cut through it@@cjmatrix7366
Kaguyas dimensions are solar-system sized, where a 4d space would be infinitely 3d and contain more than one star and one planet.
I don't need to watch a 20 minute video to know the answer to something so evident
Finally the drop, w first person too
Bring Isshiki, Momoshiki and kaguya together and Yhwach would still win.
bring all those space aliens man
Bring everything in the notruto verse and he would still win
You people clearly have never read Naruto/boruto
@@jamevolve8380 read tybw
Bruh get the whole verse to jump Yhwach, bring fucking Shibai and Yhwach still wins
Thing is that Mr Yhwach is the first true existential threat to the bleach universe. The person that came close to being that was aizen but there was still people who could do something about him like Yamamoto, kisuke or ichigo as aizen had planned. But with Yhwach it was not gonna matter at all
even if kaguya has more power, ywach hax and speed would over take her
Im pretty sure Kaguya would rizz up Yhwach as bro is suffering from parental issues. And sin Kaguya is suffering from childrenless issues they are perfect for eachother .
Kaguya didn't create these dimensions, they were already there and she just filled them and there is no proof of them being universal. The truth seeker orbs also don't destroy the soul, they negate ninjutsu. Yhwach also doesn't gain the abilities of the sternritter, just their power. It's stated that the abilities of the sternritters are abilities they've always had, and Yhwach just gave them power. He's never shown to actually have any of their abilities or uses any of them.
Finally some else spat facts , been tired of people saying Kaguya created those realms meanwhile it's the same case as Kamui , you also right about the fact Yuha doesn't own the shrifts the sterns have , he gives them power to amplify them
Why do u hate kaguya? What did she do to you to deserve this matchup?
Yhwach destroys the Naruto verse with ease. This isn't even a debate
While I still 100% agree that Yhwach stomps here, The Almighty works a bit differently than worded here: 13:40
The power, souls, and memories do return to him, but their powers gained from the Schrift DO NOT return. This was why he never used any of the Sternritters abilities because it simply returns their Spiritual Power to him, buffing his own stats for lack of a better term
This isn’t necessarily true. He simply didn’t use them because the almighty well>everything else but nah all shrifts given to the stirnritter are just a piece of yhwachs power this is why he can use the ashwhalen light to return it back if he deems them not worthy
@@Tempest1018 Nah, that's your headcanon. Otherwiae he could just have won through The Balance.
And also the Schrifts are not his, it's the piece of him that awakens that within them through the whole blood drinking thing he does.
Another example would be The Miracle and other such nonsense.
@@asdergold1Its stated they received it from him,and all powers return to him.Him being able to use it doesnt mean he does in characther.
@@asdergold1only a few characters had their powers before Yhwach came around he simply named them like Pernida
@@Radiance_Buer True but others had theirs given by him so the point still kinda stands
But this came up in the novels where kyoraku stated that Yhwach had all schrifts
I think he was just too proud to use it
Both series can have similar levels of AP and speed depending on how you want to wank and/or downplay them. That's why it becomes contentious to have Naruto vs Ichigo or Aizen vs Madara. Plus there's a lot of people that try and claim Bleach isn't Light Speed because of Gin or Candice, completely ignoring any of the times where characters dodge actual light... but I digress.
In this case, however, it doesn't matter. We can ignore any of the extra Schrifts Yhwach may have, we can say that Kaguya is stronger and faster than Yhwach, and we can even forgo giving Yhwach his Soul King form. Yhwach's Almighty, alone, is enough to neg anything Kaguya might do to him. It works by allowing Yhwach to see all futures and choose whichever future he wants, making it the new timeline. This means any attack Kaguya tries, no matter how strong, will simply be negged by Yhwach picking a future where he beats it. Beyond that, any and all powers he 'sees' in those futures can no longer effect him. This has been wanked to negging all powers, ever, because he can 'see' them all, but for the sake of argument I'm saying he just becomes immune to whichever powers he survives by changing timelines. Yhwach has shown to even neg death itself as well as his powers being removed.
**And, to note, Ichibei's ability to control 'black' is the conceptual idea of the very ink in which Bleach is drawn. That's why the 'black' is able to rewrite things, because it's Ichibei essentially re-writing Bleach (the series) itself.**
There are only two instances where Yhwach's ability cannot work. First is against the Soul King; Yhwach cannot perceive anything from the Soul King, even the divided parts, because the Soul King has an Almighty on a greater scale than Yhwach's. Uryuu is also able to somewhat counteract the Almighty thanks to his own Anithesis (which is a direct counter to pretty much all abilities) but even that can't stop Haschwalth from catching glimpses of his betrayal. There is nothing in Kaguya's arsenal that approaches the level needed to counter the Almighty, so she can do literally nothing to him. Kaguya also doesn't have a character like Tsukishima around to create new 'pasts' to allow timelines to exist outside of Yhwach's purview.
it becomes dumb when people use mangaka writing as holy grail they don't know what they're writing its why in Boruto Naruto is chasing a fuckin train
As someone who grew up and read & watched both series til their end, I can whole heartedly say naruto in his strongest form & madara in his strongest form, will get dusted from from Ichigo & aizen with low to mid difficulty
Ywach low diff (not no-diff, that regeneration is the sole reason why)
Yhwach effecting the soul nehgates regen
Regen doesn't apply to soul destruction
Kaguya have merged with the concept of nature itself before, and the concept of good and evil is stated nonexistent to her, and embodies life. Her jutsu creates a conceptual world of dreams, and stated she can rewrite the world itself. Databook says she creates dimensions as she pleases, and in boruto stated she had altered the history of mankind itself numerous times. She possesses the power of ‘creation of all things’, the first power stated to create the entire universe, and stated to transcend all form of creation & destruction, that allows her to bring imagination into reality out of nothingness, even materializing her will, a concept of her very being and not only that but was stated to going erase her dimension out of existence and recreated it. And since she embodies nature itself, the divine tree, she will always exist, also stated to be immortal. Even in her weakest incomplete self, she can absorb souls, and is immeasurable in power and physical attacks are useless to her, only life energy hurts her, or in her complete but weak state can absorb ANY being she makes contact with, including warping reality, mind manipulation, telekinesis.
Every realm is a different universes
What would keep Gremmy from being able to imagine that Kaguya's bones are made out of cookies or that she's dead?
Gremmy isnt as strong as kaguya
what do you mean@@Tempest1018
Visionary is reality warping and based on gremmy scaling he’s only galaxy level. Ostsusuki are immune to reality warping (omnipotence showcased this) from anyone relative or lower in scaling
@@Tempest1018 you just gave the most retarded answer ever. Visionary doesn't care about anything. Everything Gremmy imagine, becomes reality. There is nothing else. Also CFYOW confirms Gremmy created an outer universe there, against Kenpachi. I saw your dumb scaling Kaguya to uni+. LUL. Neither of the dimensions she change are considered infinite. To scale her that high is pure highball headcannon.
@@Lordotsutsuki_TBut Kaguya is not even galaxy level.
Remember we also have composite ywatch which is even more broken. Which gives him all of the powers from his people. Since all of there souls/powers will return to him on death.
I thought kaguyas dimensions are just planests in one solar system all those planets so called dimensions only have one star.💀
I mean no proof of a universal of galaxy feet in naruto ngl.
But for bleach i expected this still think yhwach is uni tho.
That's so embarrassing that even Madara is still Human 😂
Sad thing is; bleach isn't my favorite anime and he definitively does scale to 5-6D.
Yhwach slams no diff
Agreed
The truth
Aye, might need to remake this video, since in the anime it’s stated that any member from squad zero using a fraction of their unsealed power can cause all realms to tremble.
Im not remaking a 20 minute video due to one statement that barely changes the verses scaling in this entirety. 💀
@@Tempest1018I think it would give us a better understanding of the scaling in Bleach.
I really hated how YHWACH lost. He had all the broken powers that he could ask for and still lost to an illusion, an arrow and a backstab. He could see all futures and manipulate them. He should've won, it would've been a better ending
No he lost because ichigo’s true power is to change fate itself
@@gustavmyers29 in other words, bs plot armor. Remember Yhwach an see all futures at the same time and change it. He should've seen it coming
@@dferas5535the futures he could see are possibilities and how he affects them then becomes fate. Ichigo them changes that fate. Atleast that's what his true power is speculated to be. And really once you factor in Aizen and the arrow, only then is Yhwach fighting a losing battle because at that point your entire reality is based off of Aizen's will for it.
@@dferas5535 don't listen to him that's just pure headcanon. We don't know what ichigos bankai is so until we get a reveal the claim that ichigos bankai can "manipulate fate" is headcanon.
The reason is because of the one flaw in yhwachs powers, one that even he is aware of but can't explain.....and to this point in time, we can't even fully explain. And that flaw is....Uryu. Somehow, Uryu is immune to the negative effects of Yhwach's powers. He is immune to auswahlen, yet is able to be healed by it. Yhwach was unable to see him via the almighty during his final battle. Interestingly, Haschwalth was able to see him with the almighty but he wasn't able to use its full power. So yeah, that's how Yhwach was defeated. He was incapable of seeing Uryu through the almighty, Uryu disabled his powers using the Stil silver, which created an opening for Ichigo to strike and kill him. None of this "ichigo's power affects fate" headcanon.
love these
bleach is weird because characters go from like... blowing up a city, to annihilating the entire universe in a very short period of time
Right and let’s take into account how even Ichigo used mugetsu he was still using like about 30%-50% of his power due to the badge suppressing the rest so who knows what the full power final getsuga can really do.
@@SmashSetK The badge suppression stopped effecting Ichigo after he became Vasto Lorde, as shown in the manga when the badge disintegrates. That's why he was suddenly so much more powerful than prior transformations. He didn't re-enter his body and re-use the badge, so the nerf wasn't active for the rest of the Fake Karakura arc.
However, considering Fake Zangetsu openly stated that he never allowed Ichigo to use the full extent of his power, that implies even Mugetsu is that 'fraction' Fake Zangetsu allowed. So, it is still possible for Ichigo only using 25% of his power or so in the Final Getsuga state.
😂😂😂uni ?city? Please show me the panel lol
@@powerscallingfiend ulquirras lance thing blew up what looked like the size of lost nachos, lost nachos looks like its about the size of a city. Yamamotos bankai threatened to destroy all of soul society. Ywach threatened to alter the fabric of all the bleach realities. These aren't like, guy on reddit doing pixel counts to exaggerate, its literally just what happens in the anime/manga
@@bobowon5450 Ulqs attack was stated to only DESTROY a massive place, I believe Kubo said it could wipe multiple states but in terms of AP, Ulq is definitely at bare minimum multi cont
if someone was actually thinkign this was even remotely competitive as a battle, theydidnt watch either anime. Yhach, can literally rewrite reality and see all past present and future and retroactively change it after the fact. one of his powers is simply imagination lol.. he literally tanked AND SCALES ABOVE aizen, a character whos presence erases mortals from reality and has literally one shot the cleaner, a creature representing the concept of reason and the infinite space it resided in lol. Ywach just base line way outscales pretty much all the otsuski we have seen in naruto by an extreme margin. this is a no diff fight,
Yhawch>naruto/baruto verse
The "lightning" speed feat was actually a mistranslation. Uryu was firing light through his bow from the start of series; some of which ichigo was hit by and dodged; as well as characters like uryu blitzing their shadow in the soul society invasion arc and hes relevant to shikai Ichigo. Urahara also does the 20x cero speed attack in base
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Im pretty sure a spacetime has to be universal to infinite in size in order for it to be 4D, otherwise creating something like a galaxy would be 4D, which makes no sense
@@ningnings_world why would a galaxy be 4D if a galaxy by itself doesn’t have time within it and is affected by the time the universe produces
I HATE BLEEACH FANS SO MUCH cuz saying ywach have a 1% to win kaguya like he has -523423% to win he loses against an ant liek wtf
What the f**k are you even saying?
Alright Tempest.
I belive you miss some really good points.
Toshiro stated that those realms are Hoshi whcuh means Planet/str .. ltr on Kisuke stated that a town from the wotl suddenly appeared above the serithel! Lkke this nake no sense . Also when yama was usung bis bankai the Moisture was disappearing like I'd outside of earth there is Moisture so it debunk the solor system.
They deadass cannot be planets bro💀 askin is not a reliable source
@@Tempest1018 that's not Askin that's Toshiro who stated that .
@@amaterstu8000 hes even worse like what 😭
@@Tempest1018 why so like the movie is cannon?.
Memories of nobody's.kisuke really explain all the bleach Cosmos debunking the Uni statment!
@@Tempest1018why can't they be planets? I've never seen them refured to as there own separate space-times, only as worlds or realms. Plus there only described by being given the attributes of planets like " the soul society's atmosphere" or "Hueco Mundo's moon is a reflection of the world of the livings moon", I would find it very weird phrasing that an entire solar system owns a single moon or that the entire solar system has an atmosphere or that the entire solar system has a day and night cycle....
Yhwach Scale at the end of TYBW Anime would be dope. Especially an anime vs manga comparison
Kaguya created 6 alternate time-spaces 😂 come on…
Literally
What in the actual F ...
Yhwach destroys all known Ootsutsuki combined
the only one i could even START considering might be Shibai and that's because of how obscure he remains since other than him no Naruto character come even close not even the very strongest combined as a group do ...
The only reason yhwach is strong is simply due to allmighty lets not wank bro now😭
@@Tempest1018 wrong my brother
Yhwach can just steal the power of oponents through Sankt Alter he doesn't even need medallions and isn't even limited to stealing Bankais with that
go and reread the Ichibei fight
he also has such a high durability that he literally received no damage from a Hado 99 from TYBW Hougyoku Aizen ...
@@Tempest1018 how about you just know how to do your job
@@isaacduda4571bro I knew this dude was slow when he not only thought yhwach vs kaguya was even close, but when he though ichigo loses to naruto like what? 😭
@@koetekage2802 stupidity at another level😭😂
unohana is more than enough for her🤡🤡
even before I watch... there is no other answer than yhwach slapping kaguya... they are on completly different levels
I heavily disagree with saying space=spacetime, not only is that an appeal to reality, but that's also just wrong, when we say something like space or outer space, we usually mean the physical universe or what lies within it, such as galaxies, planets, stars etc. And those two terms are clearly not mutually exclusive, because why is obito's dimension called a time-space, but kaguya's is not? It clearly indicates a difference between the two, space meaning something more 3 dimensional, and in japanese, the raw kanji which was "kukan" means, space/location/place. And how convenient that not only are kaguya's "dimensions" called spaces in every instance, but the data book also makes it clear that her spaces are literally just the planets of ice, gravity, sand, acid, and lava. It makes no mention of a star, or moons, the kanji for "dimension" doesn't even appear at all, its more like "space" or "ball space" further proving that they are meerly different planets scattered across the universe. Which also makes sense seeming as otsutsuki literally go planet to planet to plant the 10 tails seeds to form a god tree. It is much more likely that upon eating the chakra fruit, she either gained access to these already existing planets, or that she found them and terraformed the planets into her personal domain, in which she would connect her spacetime ninjutsu to teleport to each of them when she wants. Another thing on the obito point, you left out the part where obito also calls it a "space". Obito sayin, "its kind of like a spacetime" he was literally just talking about kaguya's portals. Why do you think he compared it to his own in the panel? You are leaving out context, how convenient that obito makes no mention of the space when comparing portals, but then he does afterword's by saying he will resonate his kamui with kaguya's portals, in which he says "connect the space". There is a clear indication between the two and without any mention of it being a separate spacetime, spatial-temporal separation or any of the sorts, she caps at planet level.
Not readin allat
@@Tempest1018💀
Blud thinks a dimension is a planet 😴
@@Archetype_Earthy never called a dimension in the raw kanji
@@Archetype_EarthyYou object, but you have yet to provide any counter arguments.
Why your scale always changing. In Naruto vs Ichigo. Naruto is more narratively accurate, to be calced at universal.
Then in the Madara vs Aizen video. You stated Madara was multi-planetary-Solar System level. Which is accurate.
Here you stating Kaguya is solar system level. When Universal Naruto is literally contengent on Kaguya and Momoshiki's dimensions being implied to be universes.
I do agree Ywach wins off pure hax. But Kaguya is not getting "one shotted". Without almighty they're close to each other in scale. Where its a toss up. With Almighty Ywach takes it. Cause while Novels and such imply her dimensions are universes. In Storm 4 theyre just straight up shown to be universes. And according to the games directors Kishimoto approves the game timeline to be part of the series. Its practically the game timeline.
In naruto vs ichigo not only was i nee to scaling but i think the way i scaled them was ass on Both sides. Madara vs aizen is different madara doesnt touch or get anywhere past multi planetary as he doesnt scale to kaguya etc etc. yes without almighty they are close but with it, its not yhwach would win. And i did mention the improved universally scaling for kaguya in this video but i hope this clears everything up👍🏾
Tbh you did a great job on the Yhwach part u are getting ALOT BETTER on the Bleach part props 🙌🏻
why is this even a debate yhwach stomps kaguya
Kaguya have merged with the concept of nature itself before, and the concept of good and evil is stated nonexistent to her, and embodies life. Her jutsu creates a conceptual world of dreams, and stated she can rewrite the world itself. Databook says she creates dimensions as she pleases, and in boruto stated she had altered the history of mankind itself numerous times. She possesses the power of ‘creation of all things’, the first power stated to create the entire universe, and stated to transcend all form of creation & destruction, that allows her to bring imagination into reality out of nothingness, even materializing her will, a concept of her very being and not only that but was stated to going erase her dimension out of existence and recreated it. And since she embodies nature itself, the divine tree, she will always exist, also stated to be immortal. Even in her weakest incomplete self, she can absorb souls, and is immeasurable in power and physical attacks are useless to her, only life energy hurts her, or in her complete but weak state can absorb ANY being she makes contact with, including warping reality, mind manipulation, telekinesis.
There is literally no one in Naruto or Boruto that scales above Yhwach. That includes all of the Otsutsuki.
Due to the time speed/velocity, how big the chibaku tensai is and the time frame the chibaku tensai took to form from naruto and sasuke perform is calculated to small star level to star level mid ball
Can you link the calc for that
How is forming a moon a star level feat?
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl im guessing it because of kinetic energy or some shit.
@@theonetrueedgelord3596 The Sun is 864,400 miles (1,391,000 kilometers) across. This is about 109 times the diameter of Earth. The Sun weighs about 333,000 times as much as Earth. It is so large that about 1,300,000 planet Earths can fit inside of it.
Na y’all jus chatting 😂😂
The dangai is a separate space time.
Yhwach solos the verse by himself
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yhwach doesnt even need to fight her gerard and lille barro neg diff her
Yhwach higher dimensionality scaling is really easy
Aizen being on a higher plane of existence than the 3rd dimension and Ichigo being on a higher dimension than this Aizen who Yhwach scales above.
Giving Yhwach low ball 5D dimensionality.
A more complex scaling is the fact that for The reio to affect the 3 world's you need to have interdimentional powers and Yhwach is currently doing that.
There's more ways to get Yhwach to a higher dimensionality including the gargantua scaling (affecting/creating a space that holds infinite constructs requires higher dimensional powers)
Yhwach scales above Kaguya and out-hax's her
You can also give strength and Ap to Yhwach to due to fact that your Reiastu= your strength,ap&dc as well... And him having higher dimensional powers would just mean GG's
7:46 that actually makes it inconsistent as him Bankai is only as hot as the core of the sun and the soul king’s palace in the upper atmosphere was unaffected.
There is a 72 layer barrier between the soul society and the royal palace . This set of barriers is what aizen needed the oaken to get through, and is actually one of the few things that is beyond yamamoto
@@christheanimeguy6114 the royal palace is still just in the upper atmosphere. This would mean Yamamoto’s can’t reach the upper atmosphere or anything beyond it and that the characters are referring to the planet when they say Yamamoto will destroy the soul society.
@@onesmart229 the royal palace calcs at being further from the soul society than our moon is from earth. Plus with the 72 layer barrier there it makes sense he wouldn't be able to effect it. I personally always thought that by "the soul society " they were only talking about the planet, especially considering the number of stars in the universe with none of them individually being a threat to the universe.
@@christheanimeguy6114 the anime depict the royal palace as in the upper atmosphere and the calcs are usually based on inconsistent pixel scaling. Yeah at least we agree the soul society is most likely the planet
@@onesmart229 actually the calcs aren't based on pixel scaling, they are based on the statements from the zero division about how long it will take ichigo to get back to the soul society from the royal palace. Ichigo is told that using shunpo it would take a week to get back. Just calculating that at free fall speed puts the royal palace at around 20,160 miles above the soul society (more than twice the distance that our upper atmosphere extends), which doesn't factor for increased speed due to use of shunpo. Most people agree that even though the data book statement about ichigo moving like lightning in his battle with byakuya is hyperbolic, it is pretty consistent with the series scaling. At this point ichigo is stronger and faster in shikai than with his fake bankai, if we take lightning speed and multiply by the half of a day that ichigo estimates it will take him if he hurries it surpasses the distance between the earth and moon. Coming in at 3,240,000 miles, and the moon sits at around 238,900 miles from earth. So even traveling at a speed significantly lower than lightning would still put the royal palace at being further than the moon .
All fax also by the logic some people go with sauske should be able to switch places with anything anywhere without being able to see it which you know now he has never done
He has switched places with something behind himself during the kenshiki fight, so it doesn't have to be something he sees, it just has to be within a finite range
o no definitely doesn't have to be in direct sight but people over here saying he can switch across country's which he cant there is a range which madara even said when he first fought sasuke with it thats the funny part we are told it had a range and it was like a few miles@@christheanimeguy6114
Kaguya should beat Yhwach with little difficulty
Cope
@@Destiny20207 why are you coping?
Oh so Yhwach, the guy who literally sees multiple future outcome and then picks to win VS. Kaguya who literally relies on Zetsu to give her directions to attack or use abilities.
@@pokeczarelf Zetsu is Kaguya’s will. Yhwach seeing himself taking multiple losses isn’t going to help him.
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Awesome video man
Yhwach negs the verse and its not close, kaguya versus a sternritter would be a better match. Not really cus she would still get clapped 😂
I can see that you didn't watch the vidéo
@@ayoubali8332its my thoughts before watching the video
exactly, if Lille barro is weaker than ywach and would negg her why would people put her against ywach himself 💀
@@sldoeelille nagging kaguya?
@@marcoslightspeed5517yah 😮
Kaguya slammin ngl. The hyper space argument is obviously in reference to spaces leading to other dimensions. Also could just be a mistrans ngl.
The kyogoku is apart of the garganta 1. 2. You saying it could be a mistranslation doesn’t prove it is. Which is why i said any claim that its not a star in reference to kaguya must be proven by the claimant in this cause yourself
@@Tempest1018 I'm saying that it could be the case because I have multiple translations that also show it could be a subspace or hyperspace. So we cannot say its automatically a hyper space. Even then a hyperspace isn't always uni+.
@@Tempest1018 Also, Kaguyas scaling has nothing to do with yhwachs.
@@kadexshidomuda8113kaguya doesn't have higher scaling than yhwach, yhwach has way better hax and better ap.
@@sphere2375 um... Kaguya was able to create her own dimension that was larger than the universe???
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Yhwach being able to destroy the 3 realms is easily Multiversal if you add Garganta then he's Outer, you can call the Outer scaling a wank but Multiversal scaling is very consistent, why is that? I think SS and WOTL are universes in their own rights
You are right tbh, they are universes in their own right, we clearly see stars, sun, moon and everything that we usually see in a universe in all 3 realms so to still think of them as just planets is well kinda stupid tbh, these are complete universes you are right
They aren’t universes simply because they have celestial bodies. Thats like saying our galaxy is a universe
@@Tempest1018 No that's not my reason for calling them universes.
WOTL is a replica of our real world and we obviously live in a universe, SS is parallel to WOTL making it the same size, when we watch fiction we automatically assign properties of the real world to the objects we see "except there's a statement that says otherwise".
For example when we see the sun, stars, moon and atmosphere we automatically use real world information to assign properties to it we don't need a statement that says their specific sizes, properties and oxygen content, if not we won't be able to calculate any feat at all.
But when it comes to Bleach, downplayers want a specific statement that says the universe is actually 93 billion light years, or an image that shows all the celestial bodies in a universe just to believe it's actually a universe or they want it to be stated that the light in bleach universe moves at 299,792,458m/s you get my point?
@@Ghost-yc7eq Like if they were just planets, day and night won't exist, everywhere just gonna be dark with no light source, the earth can't even survive without a sun, people don't realize the implication of what they say
@@NeutronC exactly, its like they never went to school
I don't know who wins, they both do the same shit but differently.
It depends one where you scale yhwach , because if we scale the bleach worlds as in literal planets. We know the soul king power was used to create 3 of these planets ( and it seems to take up all of the soul king power to maintain the 3 planets.). This means that Yhwach / soul king feat is less then that of kaguya who can create 6 planetary sized dimensions casually. Meaning is is casually much more powerful then the strongest being in bleach .
Ofc assuming you scale there worlds to planetry .
They arent tho, the bleach realms have stars, galaxies, and their own spacetimes. They are definitely universes
@@ningnings_world same argument can be said for Kaguya and now we have her scaled higher
Idc i just wanna know if kaguya got enough hax for kill ywatch
@@aronguillen7951not really, she just created a solar system sized dimension
Soul society arc ichigo is high hyperversal
"Gremmy is galaxy lvl. To support this, heres an astroid thats not even moon lvl"
Yhwach stomps. Don’t even need to watch the video😂
Yhwach is too broken of a character to lose. It actually makes me upset someone submit this match up to Death Battle's Tournament of Champions. I'm a huge Bleach fan while never been into Naruto myself.
People have been down playing Naruto for years now it's kind of insane let's get into the scaling Naruto during the fourth great ninja war was able to stop a total of 5 bijou bombs with only half of kurama overall power kurama in the fourth data book being able to turn the world to Ash again in the 4th Data book with the introduction of KCM2 stated that kcm2 has Earth shattering power so this would narratively be consistent Naruto and Sasuke in final valley we're able to create a multi Continental feat and were able to create a moon level chibuku tensei in Naruto the last a part of Naruto's chakra was able to blow up parts of the moon also toneri casually was able to split the moon and having multiple statements that he could destroy the planet a base Naruto was able to one shot him now let's get to the crazy stuff when Naruto existence was causing tears through the entire when kinshiki discover the tears he had no idea where the Earth was they literally went on whole search and when they found it he said this is the region kaguya was in charge of since kinshiki literally didn't even know where the Earth means these tears were occurring through the entire universe when he found them plus every time the Earth was mentioned it was referred to as a region which means a small area of something larger or an indefinite area of the world or the universe so Naruto's chakras was causing tears through the entire universe this is a casual feat he was literally just existing if I'm not mistaken this would qualify as a universal feat off of him significantly affecting the entire universe significantly affecting could work by shaking the entire universe or warping the entire universe or in this sense affecting space across the entire universe so that's what you get anywhere to universal to high universal depending on how big you think the Naruto universe is.kaguya being able to Warp the entire Naruto universe of course I don't mean the entire Naruto cosmology I mean the main Naruto universe she does this with the ability known as Amenominaka she warps the space of the world or dimensions that she's and and switches it with a different one and the main Naruto space or dimension of course is a universe so she was able to casually warp the entire universe in instant and of course for those who choose to be disingenuous and believe that she just moves the people to the other world just as knowing that kayuga doesn't Warp the people but the spaces themselves if that's not enough for you of course there's evidence it's already blatantly stated in the Data book that she moves the world that she in you can also see motion lines in the space around the characters but not on the characters you can literally see the space getting warped in the manga it stated that she rearranges the spaces how people still deny this is crazy it also says she summons an alternate dimension it also mentions that she transforms the space themselves it also mentioned that she rewrite the world you honestly be better off arguing that the Naruto that the Naruto universe is like a planet in size and no it's not a hacks ability since he's using her own chakra so yes it expands a significant amount of chakra chakra being her life force and her source of energy and gets incredibly consistent talking about other like the 10 tails who's been stated to create the main Naruto universe over seven different times while the remaining four state that the universe was created by yin and yang which is an ability granted by the 10 tails which statement saying that the 10 ten tails has a immeasurable and infinite power. We know that in multiple mediums momoshiki was able to create a parallel universe since every time his is dimension are reference to it uses the word isekai within the boruto movie novelization if you going to any Japanese dictionary or translator you will see isekai means parallel universe isekai other definition means alternate dimension which it can't be because these dimensions have have stars in them meaning that they are inherently bigger than just planet dimensions to validate this we know that in his dimension it was a rising Sun and the light of this rising Sun actually hit boruto just to clarify one more time this sun in the stars that we see are in the same dimension so the only definition would be parallel universe it also States in this novel that kaguya could create isekai which means parallel universe in the anime it stated that she's capable of making a parallel universe the official summaries even back this up provided by the uzumaki report it's like an extended summary says episode 64 rescue Naruto a battle in a parallel universe not just stated ones but stated twice it was even stated he was draining chakra from beyond this parallel universe and a 50% Naruto was able to beat him also kekkai was being used (kekkai) is commonly used in manga/anime to describe a barrier or a pocket universe on larger scales he also ate a star in Shinobi no you novel 3 we don't even have to talk about his speed since we already know he's massively faster than light based off of haku and Madara light fang stop the Naruto downplay
You got a point. Bleach fans are so biased, they think Yhwach can beat Goku.
do people even consider this fight an actual fight?, like bro ywach has hax that leave naruto world useless
Kaguya slams
Seething twink
Figured I’d find you here somewhere. Watch the video again.
Cope
@@hudscp Already watched it, kaguya still slams
@@Destiny20207 nice rebuttal
After the last episode Squad Zero isnt that fodder anymore xD
Yhwach Completely shreds Kaguya. Neg Dif.
Aida is planetary to maybe Large Planetary, as she UNCONSCIOUSLY (which proves she had no control over limiting her output) affected the Entire Earth with her "Omnipotence", which is related to her AP due to it ofc being consumed by Chakra, btw she was Completely drained and passed out when she used that technique. (I am not certain how big Naruto's Earth is, so take that what you will). Aida is constantly stated to be stronger than Jigen who No Diffed Naruto AND Sasuke.
In short, Aida >>>> Jigen >>>>>>>>> New Era Naruto/Sasuke ≈ Momoshiki >>Kaguya
Kenpachi vs Azashiro was stated to be able to collapse the entire Dangai. Which was said to be planetary in size.
Said Kenpachi along with other Captains couldn't destroy Yukio's Dimension containing Ichigo.
Said Ichigo while yes fatigued BUT was enhanced by Blut, which is a Bankai multiplier. Thus can cancel each other out in a way. Still lost to Non-Almighty Yhwach.
In short,
Soul King Yhwh ∞> Almighty Yhwach >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-Almighty Yhwach >>>>> Blut enhanced Fullbring Bankai Ichigo > Fullbring Bankai Ichigo >> SAFWY/Lost Agent Kenpachi
Eidas ability is NOT an ap feat that quite literally blatant. She doesn’t scale to even scale to isshiki or naruto. Momoshiki isnt relative to full power naruto and sasuke stop💀 the dangai is also never stated to be have à quantifiable size either. Yes yhwach>kaguya but lets stop saying blatantly false things for the sake of who we think wins.
And neither of these character cap at planetary
dangai definitely isnt just planetary in size, it is a 4D dimension which is somewhat comparable to the ss and wotl, so arguably infinite in size
Nah Ywach is universal+. The Soul society is shown to have constellations, and even contains an infinite-space in the "Muken" while also being stated to be a parralel to the "World of the living" which world in Japanese can mean univerae or world, and occams razor would dictate it being a universe. Even characters like the silver-surfer aizen was beyond the concept of reason and could destroy beings like the cleaner which govern the space-time of an infinite precipise world where time flows differently and is "unable to be dealt with" while Yamamoto exists and has existence erasure in his arsenal. This same aizen being a dimensional tier below Dangai ichigo before releasing Mugetsu, who hes relevant to a stronger ichigo in the fight vs Ywach.
Kaguya stomps
my dude has never seen bleach
Fax
Kaguya > Yhwach imo
Kaguya eats tbh
@@marcoslightspeed5517 yeah jus like how saber be eating and gobbling up my shit😩
W video bro
yhwach outscales blitzes and outhaxes kaguya badly
what ever you smoked to even think kaguya could fight this man i want it.
@Sakura-ChanYT riddle me this coment section what kind of blunt did sakura smoke?
It's crazy how much Yhwach has to work with
kaguya obviously out scales ywach but no way she gets around those hax, even kubbo had to create some random magic arrow to stop ywach instead of just letting ichigo over power him even tho ichigo should out scale ywach as well
No she doesn't
@@KevinCorbin-gd9kp yeah she does, ywach needed to pull the linch pin of the 3 worlds to make them spill into each other to create a new world, kaguya created 5 dimensions (solar at bare minimum) and had the ability to destroy them with a giant truth seeking orb to “start a new” (reset the world after destroying it) which is vastly greater than any physical thing ywach has ever created or destroyed. Ywach wasn’t even strong enough to make the worlds collapse on his own, if he was he wouldn’t of needed to destroy to linch pin or even infiltrate the soul society to eventually kill the soul king (linchpin of the three worlds) to make said worlds collapse into each other to create a new world. Kaguya with her own power can create and destroy her dimensions as she pleases( bare minimum solar sized)
Something you didn't even touch on was Gremmy's IMAGINATION whatever he imagines manifests.... Yhwach obtained this power after Kenpachi killed Gremmy so Yhwach manifests THE SAME POWERS AS HER , then changes her future to one where SHE HAS NO POWERS and kills THE BITCH WHERE SHE STANDS🤣
All Royal Gaurd can Wash Kaguya & her Whole Clan with the Slightest Power shown
Bruh this isnt even a contest the Almighty father of all quincies no diffs.