Minecraft's New "Rules" Are Terrible
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- Today we'll discuss how Minecraft's New "Rules" Are Terrible. This latest update regarding java bans is causing much uproar in the community, especially the anarchy/2b2t community.
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If Mojang forces us to PAY or HOST our own servers, then they need to keep their nose out of who plays on these servers. It needs to be left up to the server owner and the server owner only. No one should ever be banned from online play on Minecraft.
yes true
There needs to be an opt out for private servers who would rather not use Microsoft's ban system.
You already get banned by server admins anyway, so this addition is clearly Microsoft trying to force control over minecraft. It's ridiculous how they still push for full creative freedom in this sandbox game hut then immediately show that's not true.
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Well it doesn’t really hurt anybody unless Minecraft is not going to look into the reports and automate bans, which i don’t think they will. I think It’s just a good feature to have and that people are overreacting.
This is the pinnacle of "don't fix what isn't broken". Private Minecraft servers have been self-moderated for years. There is absolutely no need for Microsoft to police servers that AREN'T theirs.
Microsoft and Mojang have never listened to that, they cut C418, the community and now seek to enforce dictatorship and create hatred for Democracy which even YT may not do.
This this this
They only want to collect data through chat messages and disguise it as report system.
@@iconictuba4126 oh wow, I can't see this message outside of clicking on it through my notifications
@@maudley I think the comment got removed, I also didn't see it when I logged into my second account.
I also like how when you get banned, it doesn't even automatically end your Realms subscription, so if you accidentally forget to cancel it, you're gonna keep paying for something you can't even use. That's a very Micro$oft move as well.
honestly i wish this type of shit is illegal.
If you are banned, then you shouldnt even have a subscription, it should be immediately cancelled
@@UlulvarCape It should go even further than that. If Micro$oft want to ban you from something you already paid for, then they should be legally required to refund you in full for any money you spent on purchasing the game, Realm subscriptions and so on.
Yep, this is a pretty clear sign that Mojang is losing it's integrity adls a company. Notch would have never allowed this, flat out
@@bernlin2000 If Notch was still in control of Minecraft, it could honestly have made Minecraft into a completely different game then what we have now.
He is severely disappointed with Microsoft and selling Mojang was a huge mistake.
Micro$oft nice
Was staying away from public servers as I rather avoid griefers, trolls and aggressive players. Now I'll stay away from public servers for fear of being permabanned for accidentally saying something that might be inappropriate for Timmy's toxically overprotective parents.
The worst part is that basically puts you into a self permaban out of fear of being banned
It’s in private servers also. Make sure people you play with won’t troll and report you
God forbid you say anything remotely critical of someone who happens to be lgbt. now you can get permabanned for hate speech!
How dare you assume Timmy has parents! Reported!
It likely to be used by ppl with no life who want to use the crumbs of power they're given to (try to) ban people
Add it to the pile of things that Microsoft have done to Mojang & Minecraft, that show they are entirely out of touch with their community.
The march of wokeness goes on, and our rights are in the way.
"hey guys, how much can we ruin our game that has worked for the past decade"
@@hydromancer4916 Yelp exactly
Well said, AntVenom
reported for hate speech
Looks like my prediction regarding Microsoft account migration was SPOT ON. You now have to agree to Microsoft's terms, which are VASTLY DIFFERENT from the ones you originally accepted when you made your Mojang account. Most people turned a blind eye to it. Now here we are...
Hi
Yeah. And next thing you know it'll be like Roblox all over again.
Hello Daddy
good thing mojang accounts still work at least on older versions (i havent migrated at all)
migration has already "officially" ended but there is no announced date for when the old authn servers will be shut. hopefully it stays up, like how legacy mc accounts (pre-mojang account) are still able to log in
Hey your here
We just need to tf2 them, get a ton of bots and then just make them spam report eachother. Tf2 implemented something similar, and it got so bad they had to remove it. If these are truly manually reported, bots can report faster.
Yes
tf2 is a f2p game no ones gonna pay 30$ per bot
@@josephg1125 idk, gamers can be extremely dedicated and willing to spend money. Considering how hardcore the 2b2t community is I could see this happening
@@josephg1125 minecraft is the biggest game in the world by FAR, I still think report botting like this on a significant and effective scale is quite possible.
@@josephg1125 ... 2B2T Players: Let us introduce ourselves. >:)
There should be a "mature" setting in the server settings, and when turned on, the server is exempt from the reporting feature
I think there should be basically what should be called " Anarchy PLAY "... As it should be 100% exempt from pretty much reports, or straight up saying " You're willing to accept harassment, horrific image, we are not responsible for at all!... "
You both have great points
or a "kid-friendly" setting to censor chat messages and such...
or both of these things so the default setting for a minecraft server is not 18+ but not aimed only towards kids...
“No swearing on my Christian Minecraft server” has now become an actual threat
Lol
@@Alexander666W I'm dialing 911
@@7AM.Adrian on yo mamma?
@@Alexander666Wgood
@@Alexander666W w-why choose Minecraft for that bruh? What the frick?
Step 1: Force every player to migrate to a Microsoft account to continue playing the game they loved and played for years
Step 2: Make players agree to a new terms and conditions, either agree or never play Minecraft ever again
Step 3: Start implement these "features", players get mad
Step 4: Just say "BUT YOU AGREED TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS!"
Seriously, Microsoft needs to just back off and let Mojang handle the game before they destroy what the game had built for itself.
exactly, I didn't want to agree to their terms but I had to in order to keep playing. It's so manipulative and sad
Well under EU GDPR at least that's not valid. You can't force people to agree to sharing their data by saying they can't use your service otherwise. In this case the terms of service have no legal weight, and in fact by collecting your data, I believe they are breaking the law. The problem is that EU courts seem incapable of actually enforcing these rules.
“Problem?”
@@Seaweeduu agreed. Microsoft is destroying Minecraft servers’ (and players’) freedoms. The audacity in this “regulation” and manipulation is not visibly finite. This is why I don’t play on the new versions.
@kite man Their terms, that seemed like they were made to wreck the game into its formerly avoidable downfall. I don’t know which of the people on this planet decided that this was not breaking the law. I think it was. They were basically saying “agree to our terms that nobody’s gonna read or never play the game that YOU paid for, again”.
If Microsoft touches a product, it's bound to be destroyed and become a shell of what it was.
Conker and Rareware remembers this.
Are we falling into 2nd Minecraft dark age? First the 1.19 disappointment and then now possibly getting false banned. This is not making Minecraft safer,this is actually making it less safe to the average player and adding stress to fun experience’s.
i mean the minecraft is literally like it was in that era, look at minecraft in youtube, mr beast is what the annoying orange was like in 2013.
Don't forget how they're forcing us to move our accounts...
yes
@@sirspongadoodle Annoying Orange was actually funny.
@@iodias it wasnt
This doesn't need to exist. Multiplayer is run entirely by the community and big servers have been refining their systems for literally years. They don't need Microsoft to step in and provide a way for people who don't deserve power to have it over others via the report system. Admins, Moderators, and Helpers do their jobs already. The possibility of permanent or even temporary bans by the whims of other people is ludicrous. The people running their servers should be allowed to be the ones running their servers and not Microsoft.
reported for hate speech
@@Matt-ul7pr lmao
So, you wan't communities to set their own rules as they see fit? Sorry, we don't do that here. Just American Things.
@@5-0ed bro minecraft boutta become twitter 2.0 Rlcraft verison
@@Matt-ul7pr lmaoo
I hope the community throw a huge fit about this - Everyone is tired of internet censorship and taking it into our private minecraft servers is just one more step across the line
These days it doesn't matter if Twitter gets mad
@@Amokra cause it never mattered unless mainstream news sites picked it up lmao
FLOOD THE SYSTEM WITH FALSE REPORTS
Just one step? How about a mile run across the line!
the only way anything will be done about it is if hypixel shuts down it's servers or something at that scale
As a bedrock player, this ruins certain aspects of Java. I've always thought of Java as the mature version, and bedrock as the family version. If I had a PC, I'd play Java. It just feels like they're trying to turn it into bedrock.
They can't sell us mods on java, they're free. That's why they do all they can to ruin the java minecraft.
Microsoft hates hates HATES Java players don't EVER forget this. I was around for the buyout and the aura around the game has never been the same.
They HATE that there is a group of people who are playing a version of their intellectual property, that don't have to pay money for crappy skins, can download their own mods, their own texture packs.
This freedom of choice without monetary consequence makes Microsoft SEETHE. They have had terrible intentions since the buyout and have been rolling out these tiny littld unpopular changes since all those years ago. But they are punching themselves in the head for not having a clause in their contract that said "JAVA EDITION WILL BE PERMANENTLEY OVERHAULED WITH OUR NEW ANTI CONSUMER BEDROCK EDITION EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY".
@@invisibleloki26 What update/version of the game was the first as owned by microsoft? If you know
@@shinyguy3766 can't say I remember the exact version but the buyout happened in 2014. I'm sure you can trace the exact date to what was the most recent version at that time
@@invisibleloki26 Version 1.8 was the final version before the cursed buyout.
Servers should be allowed to choose if they want this "feature" or not and it shouldn't even be on private servers at all.
And if someones get banned because of it it should be on that specific server, not all of multiplayer.
Why should Microsoft ban any Minecraft accounts? This shouldn't exist anywhere. From the beginning, Operators have been able to kick and ban players at their whim without needing any of this safe-space nonsense. It shouldn't be optional. It shouldn't be in the game.
"Extreme violence or gore."
Ah yes, Minecraft. A game that definitely needs moderation for gore which 100% exists in-game.
Oh no someone is roleplaying in chat about mutilation!!!!!
Oh no someone is making pixel art of severed balls!!!!!
Problem would be people sending links to gore, not gore in game
Sorry, left some Redstone Dust on the floor. Lemme pick it up real fast...
@@paulinapeak then this demonstrates how out of touch Microsoft is. Huge public Servers with young adult and child demographics in mind tend to have link filters that scrub links from chat, or disable clickable hyperlinks.
It is also up to the server owner to enforce these rules.
I dislike Microsoft more by the day for this
@@fluffypinkpandas there just trying to kill mine craft so they can sell s sequel
The "family friendly" initiative is the worst thing I've ever seen, I hate that notion. It's up to parents and guardians to keep an eye on their kids, forget this stupid report system.
mojang did the same brilliant thinking with the glowing 2 pixels
instead of putting effort into thinking of ways to remedy the issue of poisonous fireflies they just straight up booted them from 1.19
What does mojang think kids would do with fireflies? Shove a giant jar of them in the mouth of frogs? Animals dying from poisonous animals is natural cause that's evolution
Sorry i brought fireflies into this discussion about report systems but the way they did it was why
@@anthonybenson2469 it's even more stupid because you can just.. y'know.. *Remove the interactions between Frogs and Fireflies, as opposed to obliterating fireflies from existence*
"oHh BuT mY BRaND ImAGE"
They just use that as their excuse. They don’t give a crap about kids being safe they only care about their wallet.
Think of the children is the excuse for all bullshit rules
Microsoft doesn’t even CARE! You can tell because of the report system itself- you can select ONE CHAT out of context. That means that nearly anything can be reported. There are so many better ways- toggleable and changeable chat filters, a better report system, specifically child-safe servers, or just LETTING THE SERVERS THAT ALREADY MANAGE MODERATION EFFECTIVELY MANAGE THEMSELVES!
Microsoft once again, fixing something that isn’t broken…
For real
8:02 “The NSA already knows your irl coords” bro 💀💀
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It honestly feels like Microsoft is actively trying to get people off Java edition. They were handling the game pretty well for quite some time, but recently, the higher ups and executives have been pushing way too far.
If mojang wanted to make Java look worse than bedrock then bedrock wouldn’t have had this same moderation system for 2 years
@@stuffedanimalwars7692 they are trying to drag Java down to bedrocks hell level
@Subject Zero ha
maybe in the future they will axe java edition.
@@SimonBauer7 That's been the plan from the very start, and what everyone suspected as soon as Microsoft bought the game.
I think we all need to immediately start working on mods and plug-ins that completely disable the reporting feature, server owners and administrators have had the ability to mute or ban people for breaking rules, it's not Mojang or Microsofts place unless its THEIR server being used.
Edit: ive been informed the plugin was already made, I freakin love the mc community.
we need to push optifine tbh
@@computerize 1 problem i can't use optifine because java won't run so i can't install forge so i can't mod java minecraft
We should make a bot that spams the report system
@@hsbdbsjsjebbdbsbsb370 those accounts would just get banned.
except it is, it is THEIR game and they can implement any feature they want despite how shitty it is
As a Minecraft veteran, I think this is where my adventure ends. Goodbye Minecraft
ya i think this will be it for me as well.. tired of these "games". this is not a game anymore. it's a vehicle for surveillance, data-collection, propaganda, and marketing to trends... but not a video game.
I already left minecraft around 2 years ago. its safe to say i did a good choice
Same. I was gonna get back into it, but not if I can get banned
Is there a way to play a previous version that isn’t under Microsoft’s control?
@@82hellas Sorta. That's one of the frustrating parts too. Deleting the old authentication servers breaks all the old clients. So you'll have to run a hacked client. That said, part of the fun is servers, and I fully expect that at some point down the line there will be a user friendly way to spoof the login.
Banned on my own single player world from calling a creeper a child Predator in a book :)
For real?
This is the perfect example of "If it wasn't broken, don't try to fix it." Microsoft are assholes. Minecraft should've always stayed indie or at least be owned by a more competent company
I mean Not that I dont agree with you, but you telling me you wouldnt take that 1,000,000,000$ payout?
@@ariesfan If I was in a shitty situation, I would take it, but I feel like there was more passion in the picture when Notch was a part of it
@@_CPP_ I will definitely say when I played Minecraft the most, 1.6.4, it definitely had more charm. Though that might just be nostalgia talking. Then again today's mc is completely different in tone and feel
@@ariesfan MY MAN I WOULD SELL MY ENTYRE GAME, IDEAS, BRAIN, AND SCRIPT FOR 500.000$
@@ariesfan nope. look how much money Notch would be making now.
Minecraft is known for it's creativity, freedom, and server independence. With this report system added, every SINGLE one of those are now nearly irrelevant.
bedrock: first time? :)
just wait till they bundle the "no chat report" mod in forge. also 1.12.2
@@clementpoon120 EDIT: I had originally misread the comment I was replying to, so here's a better reply:
According to the creator of the 'No Chat Report' mod, Forge is AGAINST any method of blocking out the chat report feature and does not want to support nor endorse said methods, so no, it's not going to be automatically implemented into the Forge loader.
(Original reply: Mod loaders aren't officially affiliated by Microsoft/Mojang, so I doubt player interaction features (this includes chat reporting) will be bundled into mods.)
Agreed.
@@haskayneharry Bedrock should be completely separate from Java edition, we like the game how it is. If yall like bedrock then have fun.
I'm worried about things like if someone asks how to get to spawn in someone says kill yourself, that will be seen as encouraging suicide in real life. The game was fine without this system. It's not necessary. Server admins should be the ones managing their own community. Imagine if Microsoft word spied on you like this.
Who says it doesn't?
"Imagine if Microsoft word spied on you like this." Don't give them ideas.
The scariest thing is the "false information" one with how often the lable "misinformation" gets used to censor things proven to be facts.
The actual solution would be for parents to flag their child's account as only being able to access moderated servers, but instead let's make everyone behave like villagers.
I cannot express the depths of my disgust with this feature so I won't bother.
Well said
Me too, abolsutely disgusting. I'm actually thinking about quitting Minecraft...
@@alphalance9408 already have moved on to other games, hope hytale makes minecraft look like a joke
Maybe i will make a new game like minecraft.
yeah this is probably gonna be the final move for me to quit minecraft. unless there is plugins and such that disable it
a year from now im just gonna see a fitmc video that’s about 2b2t dying due to chat report exploiters and think “this could have entirely been avoided”
yeah its gonna happen
if they keep this update going, which microsoft obviously will, i expect that same thing
nah i think its gonna be instant death for 2b2t lol
It really could happen
The part that makes me sad it this will servers I had experience with... Barbercraft Hypixel, and countless others. The kind of severe limitations they are trying to enforce is downright atrocious and displays that they have lost touch with the Minecraft Java Community
I can already see the modding community figuring out a way to bypass the bans
They did. Sadly it didn't work and the mods were taken down
and minecraft lied to us about the game having no rules again💀💀💀💀☠️
Yeah, straight up.
Next update:
"We disabled the option to hurt and kill animals since we want to keep our game family friendly and violence-free, also villagers will no longer trade with you unless they are in an open space since we don't support slavery"
_- sincerely, Microsoft_
I hate how this could actually happen. Next up, WE REMOVED SWORDS BECAUSE THEY ARE VIOLENT
We remove piglins from the game, because they can turn into a zombie, and it's very hurtful thing to do for living beings. We remove zombies because corpses aren't family friendly. We remove creepers because they promote terrorism. We remove bats because they spread covid. We remove all enemies because they can hurt player, if player is a kid, it's count as childe abuse. We remove mining and crafting because if player is a kid, it counts as childe labor.
@@anastasiaalimova5452 We will be removing Minecraft from all platforms showing it is not a child friendly game
"Violence-free"
There goes my nitwit villager "relocator"
Honestly, I sometimes fear that they may actually discourage the killing of animals that provide like they did wit dolphins, goats, turtles, etc.
I really don't like how ever since Microsoft bought Mojang they were tightening their grip on the game and the community. Minecraft used to be a really open environment and even though it still is, it seems like with every update it gets less so.
It was bound to happen. Every big corp that buys out an indie dev ruins the franchise.
It’s like china and Hong Kong… Microsoft is china and Hong Kong is mojang…
@Allah man Same, it's kind of frightening how little people believed us back in the day, but here we are...
Micro and Soft is well known for being one of the most incompetent players in the corpo play of "buying oneself out of obsolescence". Where corpos like AMD bought chip manufacturers because they needed the fast response of their purchase for their work and plused their and their purchase's profits, Incompetents like Micro and very Soft ruin everything they touch. They're the OS equivalent of EA. Nokia's mobile arm, a veritable gold mine of technology with R&D that rivaled the best of the best for years (stuff like battery tech that Samsung blatantly stole at the start, bendable phone, yes, bendable phones, fully functional, there's a demo at a conference you can look up here on YT and many, many other things) Halo (which is a radioactive pit now that's slowly dying of gangrene) and now MineCraft. The modding community has been pushing 'updates' on their own that far surpass anything Mojang has been able to push on their own under Micro and Soft.
TLDR, incompetent micro is at it again.
Hi Rosa lol
Hope there won’t be a day when we’ll have to say “Remember when Minecraft was the game where “no one can tell you what you can or cannot do” was true?”.
It is already that day my friend. True freedom is no more
unless java single player or old versions
@@MrPromethium0157 So they can tell you not to play multiplayer unless you talk like - let's make a zoomer reference - the smooth, clean spongebob.
I know you most likely won’t see this Fit, but I REALLY appreciate you explaining that it’s not the developers fault. As someone who is pretty far into learning, it’s refreshing to know people understand this, even if it’s some people.
ikr. Mega corporations are behind this kind of crap. the devs at mojang are basically sitting at their computers with microsoft guns held to their heads being forced to do this lol.
At this point "Mojang" is just a name, it's just Microsoft now.
Hacked clients having an auto-report system might actually have a good side. If there are so many false reports, then it becomes harder to find real ones and it becomes so much harder and time (and money) consuming, making it unsustainable. The only way to stop this may be with floods of false reports which is just a sad situation I think.
You’re smart
Until hidden chat messages can be sent as other players and they start spamming hard r as you and promptly report it every tick.
then they will start to use ai
@@nurihan4764 Just what I wanted to say.
This would the worst ending, Microsoft implementing algorithms or AI to auto moderate the reports, and i just hope it's not going to happen.
@@cheesedabber you say that as if they care
Microsoft is a massive company do you really think that it cares about anyone outside of profits?
I'm telling y'all, this is probably the downfall of Minecraft thanks to Microsoft. After forcing the devs into cancelling some of the most anticipated things and postponing updates, we now have to be careful what we say on our OWN SERVERS, that we PAY FOR. What a sad end to such an amazing game...
@@deoxribonucleicacid8746 There's not gonna be any "we"
sheeps will fall in line and Microsoft will get what they want.
@@deoxribonucleicacid8746 Theres no way we can organise a ‘strike’ big enough for Microsoft to even notice, never mind care. No, Microsoft ruining minecraft has been a long time coming and they are not going to go back on a single thing they do.
@@ludbud57 sadly I’m inclined to agree. Microsoft has been acquiring games and game studios preparing for the huge virtual battle that’s already in the works (with epic and apple and ‘meta’ and valve). Their response to Minecraft completely flopping would most likely be “Steve who?”
oh i don't pay for my own server, my computer pays it's CPU and RAM for it
@@albertlong3492 you still payed for the pc, that's the point.
"Devs are just doing their jobs..." There were also people 70 years ago "just doing their jobs" and are still hunted to this day.
Like the doctors and police that set up medical aparthied the last 2 years? Still no justice yet. "Just doing their jobs" We have less power than you think.
do you mean ww2?
@@Nova-1936 ukraine are the modern nazi. funded by western traitors.
@@Nova-1936 He’s mentioning the Nazi guards at death camps.
@@coachacola3755 oh
I remember being on a server with a somewhat overzealous censoring system. Writing 'grass' or 'glass' would have the last three letter censored guess what common denominator is. Imagine a system like that across Minecraft?
It sounds rather similar to the "You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide" concept.
When I heard about this, I Immediately knew it was gonna be bad. Leave this stuff up to server owners. I thought Microsoft wouldn’t touch this version. Looks like they are trying to tighten their grip around our community.
Although I've been a bedrock player for nearly 8 years now (because I'm not used to Java) I've never heard of chat reports though I don't play on servers that much but I feel bad for the Java players that they have to go through this now. And this makes me wanna avoid servers more
In my opinion, this should be an disable/enable feature
Yeah java is slowly getting absorbed into the minecraft Microsoft wants (bedrock). They just can't do it in one go because they know the community won't accept it.
@@randomyoutuber3826 chatting in bedrock edition is annoying enough. They count certain common words in my language as a bad word and censored it which is annoying af.
@@jerungbiru55 yeah I agree
Lets go to a place where everything is made of blocks. Where the only limit is your imagination. Lets go wherever you want to go. Climb the tallest mountains. Adventure down to the darkest caves. Build anything you want. Day or night. Rain or shine. Because this is the most significant sandbox you'll ever set foot in. Build a majestic castle. Invent a new machine. Or take a ride on a roller coaster. Play with friends. Build your own little community. Protect yourself with the strongest armor that you can craft and fight off the dangers of the night. No one can tell you what you can or can not do. With no rules to follow, this adventure its up to you.
F in the chat for Mojang
I guess that was just a lie then.
@@Mradeptant It's not a lie, it was truth back then.
But since Microsoft bought the game, it aged like milk
@@shapeswitch_mood7221 hey, if it sells better as a kids game, then they will capitalise on that. its just business
@@bobsmith12345 yet at the same time i feel that a system that cannot survive critisism or obsevation shouldnt.
When the social screen and blocking players were initially introduced, I was very against it, I hated it. Now the (hopefully) full extent of those social “features” are revealed.
As the owner of a small server, I would block joins from any version with this feature and even use plugins that disable it.
Those rules we're terrible, but there's something worse. PERMANT BAN FOR SAYING "/Time set Night"
They REALLY need to add an "opt-out" option to private java servers, so we don't have to worry about people getting each other perma-banned from the game, just cause the server's has more mature rules than Microsoft does..
indeed but microsoft is a massive corporation that only cares about money and power so they won't do that
Someone could make a mod.
@@sorrow2305 Yeah, a mod that just removes that function from the game. You don't even get the option to report. That mod would likely be added to every modpack/private server. Nobody wants this.
Based PFP.
very true
There's a mod called "No Chat Reports" that disables the cryptographic signatures that are assigned to chat messages. It works on both the client and server and is available for both Forge and Fabric!
lol. i know i can always count on the modding community
This is technically a bypass if Cilent lmao
I agree with this, but REALLY hope Microsoft doesn't pull a GTAV and use this mod to justify nuking the modding community.
With client side, how does it work?
Can always count on the modding community to save us.
@@ProtocolAbyss just get a ton of the really experienced and popular modders to recreate minecraft as a point and see how many people would switch to the one microsoft DOESNT own
obviously this wouldnt be a permanent measure as copywrite exists but it would show that microsoft is nuking the worlds best selling game
Big corporations don't want freedom of speech. A game where anyone and everyone can get on and speak to anyone else on the platform freely is a major danger to established ideologies. It's not about the safety of individuals
Their logo is literally a hate symbol that pushes sexuality to children. they have no moral ground its all for control.
i really enjoyed the spot on rendition of what people would type in the box after clicking report x D
"We have to consider all threats to be serious and credible ones simply because the way the internet works these days."
Well I guess me and my friends joking about being in each other's walls is going to be taken seriously, despite being physically impossible. As another commenter said, leave it to these community moderators to put the "Soft" in "Microsoft"
wisdom right here. also i got a virus from somebody on your discord server and will hold that against you forever even though you are entirely not at fault
Now that’s something wise. If Microsoft considers all threats to be serious then the game will really be bland. I hope they remove this system or at least make it less serious
on god
Well, Minecraft is facing the roblox problem. Hypercensored chat. And nobody can speak. And it's filled with toxic little kids. RIP Minecraft, Hello RoMine "The joke is that Minecraft is becoming more like Roblox."
like, just let the admins, mods, and owners of individual servers deal with it their own way. Every server has their own rules for the people affiliated with the server to enforce, not some jerkoff "mod" from a higher team.
I completely agree here, Microsoft is ruining the game with this update. Unless it’s able to be turned on or off per server, I think the community needs to make it clear this needs to be removed.
even if thats the case it will ban you from every server as it disables the multiplayer button
@@blazmatic1216 lol if it disables the multiplayer button can't even play on LAN?
@@aaron-gz Yep, if you get banned because someone got butthurt and spamreported you for doing nothing wrong, you can't even play with friends on your local network anymore. As with most such ban systems, this is a huge overreach on what it should have an effect on. It should only have an effect on realms that choose to opt in / not opt out of it, and absolutely not on regular servers. But what it does instead is completely lock you out of all multiplayer.
You don't seriously think M$ gives a damn about the community right?
Well imma just stay in bedrock and make unlimited accounts lol
This is awful. Me and my mate have a realm us two play, and we wrote down on a sign some unholy things messing around and got banned on our own server. We didnt even report each other.
The mod community which made a mod countering this are like angels coming down to save us
The insanity of forcing the “family friendly“ attribute onto every platform is becoming worse and worse.
it's going to destroy these platforms if they keep pulling it tbh. eventually regular people are going to get completely fed up and leave and it'll be nothing but little kids and corporations
It all leads back to COPPA, doesn't it?
im sorry but kids ruin everything for the rest of us online
@@thymii6946 Well this is why we need kids to be taught better internet safety, or have a parent or guardian watch what they do. Kids don't know what they're doing, and they either need to be a certain age to use the internet, or they need to offer classes in school discussing how to use it properly.
@@thymii6946 Either by toxicity or by features that make it better for them but not the adults.
the official trailer for minecraft literally says: "no one can tell you what you can or cannot do, with no rules to follow this adventure is up to you"
wow, and look what microsoft is doing.
@Allah man microsoft is a parasite
Minecraft was better back when it wasn't owned by Microsoft.
There's only one thing that can save the game: 1.20 being a great update.
@@ascendantchameliasapostle2580 Nothing is good when owned by Microsoft. I wouldn’t be surprised if they add ‘DLC’ so you can’t be reported.
I can’t even play my own solo world for doing literally nothing and getting 14 day suspension :/
i have the feeling that the more blunders Microsoft makes,
soon someone will make a spiritual successor of Minecraft, or a "pirated" fork on the deep web.
If mojang forces YOU to pay for/host the server then they should let you do the necessary moderation you want in your server.
Wait, do you have to pay for a minecraft server? I don't think so, no?
*EDIT:* So from all the answers I understood nothing, other than one comment saying that "In Minecraft java the servers the server admin will pay for hosting of that server.", which does answer my question in the opposite way, meaning that if you host it yourself you do not have to pay for it, which I knew, since I've done it. The other answers didn't really touch my question, which was "do you have to pay Microsoft for a server".
@@h-0058 yes you have to.
In Minecraft java the servers the server admin will pay for hosting of that server.
They are probably referring to realms
Mojang pays for the authentication servers, if you want to use them you should have to comply with their rules. You're free to set offline mode and not use them at all.
@@jlgf3148 No. You can also rent a server to host your SMP. You could host your own, but it’s a pita and if you don’t have a symmetrical connection, it can be trying, depending on your speeds.
Most people find it easier to give $3-$10 a month for a small server, and up to about $100 for a larger, more demanding player base.
Java is very very laggy.
I think Fit broke a personal best.
He didn’t say “the oldest anarchy server in Minecraft” for 30 seconds.
it was 52 seconds in another video from the other day.
@@surgeonso4345 MrBeast video
No.
Lol
Broke his personal best*. Nope this is not his personal best.
Imagine someone suddenly getting banned but not having used chat in years. If this happens to me, I'll be very upset.
This needs a workaround just like the youtube dislike workaround - so an addon or a client or a program to run side by side with minecraft that takes all chat and funnels it through itself, so effectively people are still chatting but as far as the mincraft message scraper can see no one is talking, because it all seamlessly passes through the workaround.
You know anarchy players are going to spam report their enemies so this is an outrageous idea by Microsoft
hopefully the report spam would get so overwhelming that trying to run the system becomes too much work to make sense paying employees for but that could be unlikely to end up being the case
not even anarchy players alone would do it, I can see tons of people doing it
Even outside anarchy this is a problem since the servers are probably out of the loop for these reports
@@ixorix There will almost certainly be clients with a report spammer, these new rules are a terrible idea.
Or better yet, use scripts to mass report people at inhuman speeds
They LITERALLY gave trolls the ultimate weapon
poo
yup
Yeah...
I feel like cracked minecraft will become VERY VERY popular.
"It's not the devs pushing for this"
>looks at the launch screen messages
>looks at their treatment of Notch
Yeah lol, keep telling yourself that.
Could you explain this pls?
@@Samuel-qc7kg The dev team took Notch out of the credits, when he said something politically incorrect on twitter. And in recent years have started adding woke messages on the launch screen. (for BLM for example)
So I highly doubt they are oh so innocent, when it comes to censoring politically incorrect speech.
@@HalbdaemonKite bro, the game devs are not the "devs". who you describe as "devs" are the ones in the ivory castle in New York City ie; Microsoft corporation. the game devs are the ones using blood, sweat, and pixels to create these beautiful games. The world you find so endearing was created by Mojang employees and Notch. These decisions have absolutely NOTHING to do with either of them.
Microsoft taking the "No swearing in our Christian Minecraft server" a bit too seriously.
Easily the most unnecessary update ever, especially considering the fact that every single multiplayer server tends to have a staff team or filter in place. Even the small servers hosted on platforms like Minehut that average 10 concurrent players have staff teams dedicated to dealing with these issues. On top of that, those staff members are probably going to be a lot more effective in keeping their servers clean than Microsoft will be considering they'll have to deal with potentially millions of reports. Clearly this is just a grab for power by Microsoft.
But why is the word afk banned on minehut?
@@49asvk Most of servers have swears and other stuff blurred or if u say it mute or ban
Servers that don't exist. You'd think you'd know that with how often fit talks about one that explicitly permits even *literally illegal* behavior.
It's unnecessary to the players yeah,they are probably doing this to look better to their investors as by adding it as a feature they can say something like "look at how safe and child friendly our game is" to them.
u mean millions of reports every hour. the amount of people reviewing reports will be an insane amount. even a thousand people wont be enough.
Minecraft's report system makes Roblox's report system actually good. 💀
It'd be nicer if they just stored a log of messages for admins of different servers to deal with their own personal ban decisions. I think there was a plugin like that once.
Imagine being banned for something like "spamming in all caps" and not being able to enter a server that allows it
Minecraft is turning into Roblox.
@@toxicityuser god I hope not
@@verdun16 unless
*Alice:* _Is this new policy GDPR compliant?_
*Mojang:*
*Bob:* _lul_
*Mojang:*
**crickets**
@@toxicityuser but at least roblox's report system is useless (even if not intended 2 be), so this could be even worse
If they ever continue this path, I'm guessing Cracked Minecraft and Cracked Servers are going to increase in popularity, due to how bad it truly is and how bad it can be. Imagine you, not being able to join your OWN server.
Are cracked clients still a thing? I remember back when I was a kid, my friends and I would use cracked clients and use logmein hamachi with online-mode=false. Only downside is that you would need to get some sort of login plugin for public servers, which would be annoying af. Even worse, is that now harassers can just change their username and ip and rejoin that way.
@@adrycough yes. Tlauncher is one big cracked minecraft downloader out there
@@adrycough iirc online-mode=false is still a thing in official server you get, and as back then it removes skins form paying players... that you can fix again with a mod or a plugin.
@@adrycough yes, and private servers run just fine. We even have troubles with people who use official client, so they has to switch. I'm from Russia so for many children and people now it's the only way to play Minecraft.
@@adrycough yep, SK launcher is the only one i trust atm, but they are pretty "volatile" from update to update
But atm anything is better than this bs from microsoft
Remember when they said “how will this affect the pvp community!” And he said it won’t. Hmmmmm looks like someone lied!
Wow, this is my first time hearing about it, since i don't even play minecraft. But that is exremely bad, and not even the intentions are good here! I think that the server owners should be the only ones to decide which rules their server has! Otherwise, it is just limiting the freedom for everyone. The player who might get offended by such things always just have the option to not play on these servers.
exactly, it's just common sense. you don't even play minecraft yet you immediately went "this is bullshit"
Idea: Someone make a mod that just deletes vanilla chat and adds a new one without reporting functionality. It could be like optifine where everyone has that and microsoft can't do anything about it
That could work, actually. I've seen a VC mod a few years back. If that's possibly another text chat should be easy to make.
If 2b2t doesn't get this then it will die.
I would like to, but I don't know java otherwise I can program literally anything
Might actually happen if Microsoft decides to literally ruin the vanilla chat like this. They’re definitely overstepping their bounds with this one
there already is a mod that strips the signatures from your messages before sending them to the server/have the server strip them out before sending chat to other users/bypass secure chat, making the report functionality essentiallyuseless since your messages wouldn't be attributed to you, can't wait for servers to start requiring it
This reminds me of UA-cam where they are just so out of touch with their community that they make everyone disappointed and dissatisfied with their choices
In the attempt to please everyone, they pleased no one
yeah, it'll become just like UA-cam
because large companies think they can decide what's best for us
the age of internet freedom has ended guys
@@jgamer2228 attempting to please those who want to feel powefull, pleases no one but the people who don't care about you at all
@@jgamer2228 *pleased -∞ people
@@hargssgrah4738 "pleases no one but the people hate you"
Is more correct.
My favorite part about this was migrating my account not because I agreed with anything Microsoft was doing. Or because I really wanted to. It was because they put a metaphorical gun to my head by threatening the deletion of my account if I didn't do it before a certain date. Very cool
Seriously it should be give a warning to people when they join the server that content might happen and you enter at your own risk.
None of this report feature crap only to the admin of the server.
The thing is minecraft is meant to be that one game where you can do whatever you want. Servers like 2b2t are prime example of this. But by adding the report system, not only is the 'feel' of minecraft ruined, but its just gonna backfire and lead to massive amounts of false reports and bans. Microsoft needs to remove this, or mainstream mods like Optifine need to add a feature that removed this system entirely.
Sadly, this is a question of profit. It's a question of power. The media giants are little different from the empires of history (or the modern empires, for that matter). They won't give in until they are torn apart from the inside by power struggles, go completely bankrupt, or succumb to invasion (not sure what the equivalent for a company would be. Probably a competitor?).
Things are still tolerable enough for me to use Windows myself, but my next computer is going to be a Linux first, with windows being demoted to a purely gaming device on it's own dedicated hard drive. I won't entirely abandon Windows until indie games gravitate towards linux.
Or, y'know, a mod could automatically report everyone on the current server whenever they send a chat message for every possible infraction, so it DDoS'es the reporting system
it seems like a perfect compromise to make a "microsoft protected server" pop-up when joining a server, and the ability for the server owner to change it. kinda like VAC protected servers by steam. games can use Valve Anti Cheat in their games, and if a player is banned, they are banned on all VAC protected servers and games. but you can still play non-VAC servers and games.
microsoft and their infinite wisdom...
@@r3dp9 I can garantee you that whichever game you're thinking of either already narively supports Linux, or has a way to run on it. Mainly via Wine and updated graphics drivers
@@woubulbus this configuration already exist.
Online-mode.
if true you can't use piracy Minecraft.
if false you can use it.
There is a simple fix. Instead of sending the report to microsoft. The report should go the server host. So they can apply there own server rules. It whould make anargie better.
The server host wont care
@@alex2005z says who?
@@alex2005z if they dont care than that must be because it doesnt break server rules, so if you dont like it you can quit. Microsoft should not be controlling the rules on private servers
That's actually a much better idea, It beats me that Microsoft wouldn't take that approach. It would do the same thing, and not require them to have chat moderators 24/7.
Yes
I know this is a few months old now, but I literally haven't played on any public servers since this decision was implemented because I'm terrified of having my account banned. And I usually play on really "family-friendly servers" anyway. I just don't trust that people won't be banned for the stupidest things and then you end up losing the ability to play the game you PAID FOR. Its ridiculous.
Microsoft's classic EEE strategy - Extend, Embrace, Extinguish. It'll soon be time for an open-source MC fork, maybe hopefully with a parallelized server and regular numeric item IDs instead of item names so we can get back the old server performance!
look up minetest
This was one thing I had always liked about Minecraft; it never had a system like this. Minecraft was the one game where you could do whatever you liked and didn't have to worry about having features taken from you, if you got banned from a server that was pretty much the extent. I feel this is going to deter people from using public servers in fear of having their ability to play online taken away completely. Mojang/Microsoft is so out of touch from the community it's unreal.
Microsoft, not mojang imho
I mean it's not even surprising. A multi-nation, multi-billion dollar company only cares for one thing and it's definitely not the community. I haven't played Minecraft since Notch sold it, but I can definitely see a drop in player count once they start rolling this feature. Absolutely sickening this is.
I've played Minecraft since 2011 and honestly I hate to see my favourite game like this now I've made the decision to never play modern versions unless I'm actually forced to because of Microsoft and Thier stupid additions to the game
yh its sad
@@Wp-jv5ed i wouldn't be surprised if microsoft forced you to play latest version, they're destroying the game
The combination of the phrases "No appeal system" and "We have to consider ALL threats to be serious and credible" belongs in a George Orwell book, not the mouth of a spokesperson for a video game. And I can already think of a way to get around this with a server plugin where all chat isn't sent to the chat directly, but instead the server itself repeats everything people type and who typed it. So everyone can chat as normal, but the report function will only see messages from the server, not from any account.
this is actually a really good solution which would work :0
I'm pretty sure you've never read an orwell book
Hasn't hypixel already been doing that for a while?
@@LuluTheCorgi I’m pretty sure he did, I don’t know what type of taste you have in reading, but this is very accurate
@@LuluTheCorgi it's literally an example of authoritarianism, the main topic of Orwell's most famous book, it fits perfectly. If you've read it that is, and you clearly haven't.
Another plus for the old players of minecraft, that plays the 1.12.2 version or under. Ive played minecraft since 2017 and i still kinda like the older versions
i heard someone on bedrock got account suspended when playing on his mothers realm for saying her name Nigel 💀
I’m really getting tired of companies in general pretending to have a moral compass and deciding what is and isn’t ok for people to say and do.
They say they want to avoid backlash, but they are getting the very thing they claim to avoid
I ever thought about it like that. They’re acting like they care, meanwhile they sell our personal data and know literally everything about us.
well said bro
Why do you think coporations ever care about us anyway? they sell our data online and know everything about us anyway. Yet there is still no government intervention
It’s all to attract investment under the ESG score system.
The worst part is: you are forced to migrate. Or at least I was.
The game literally would not let me log in via Mojang, whenever I tried it would tell me to migrate my account to continue.
If that's true then you should sue. Small claims, the cost of the game when you bought it, plus inflation. Will cost m$ more money to send their lawyers, and you can sell your story to any gaming news publisher or UA-camr to pour more fuel on the fire.
Same here. Does no one remember the fact that they wanted to shut down unmigrated Mojang accounts? if you didnt migrate, you couldn't play. Additionally, migrating made me lose one of my accounts to a bug which made neither Mojang nor Microsoft able to recover it, and they did nothing about the bug other than tell me I cant get the account back and have to get a new one. RIP Opallion.
@@5ONAL1TY I deleted my account when I couldn't play anymore. You're telling me they reversed the requirement to migrate to play? Whatever, 11 years with Minecraft was good enough for my $30.
They literally locked my og mc account cause I couldn't/didnt migrate...
@@CosmeAcajor You can still migrate, I think... maybe. I don't know me and my friend migrated prior to the stuff.
I foresee the "2B2T Profanity War" on the horizon. Players strategically banning other players using the new feature or just trolling. This is gonna get hectic.
I thought the same thing. ROBLOX has exploits that allow players/games to trick the client into thinking another player said a bad word, and thus getting them banned.
robots has a much more robust and secure chat filter than Minecraft and it was weaponized. Just imagine what 2B2T players will do. They're going to make book bans look like a joke
2b2t will avoid adding this feature because it ruins the server’a premise and keep on 1.18 or use the mod.
I wonder if a plugin can be programmed that proxies all player messages through the say command.
It'll make all messages pink and have [SERVER] in front, but at least people can't report each other the usual way.
The fact that they consider banning an innocent player a "false positive" tells you everything you need to know
Yep.. its the sad truth
Apparently guilty until proven innocent has become a trend or something
@@i30 worse than that, actually. guilty until proven guilty, because there's no appeal process.
Of course, they are commies!
You need to prove the burden of Innocent while having no way to defend yourself... simple to their "elevated, big brain" eyes.. hard for actual sane people.
Skype used to have call centers to dispute conflicts between the users and the product. After bought by Microsoft, they removed the call centers and replaced it with automated voice actors. Now even if there is an overcharge or a bug in Skype that wiped my credit, there is nowhere to appeal to.
Here's a fix idea: all messages instead of being sent will be directed to the server as a command, and then printed out as a /tellraw, so It wont count as a player message
this is sort of what paper does. they intercept the messages and send it as a 'system message', which bypasses the signing garbage, and makes it as if every message has been sent by the server
@@AveryChow can you give more detail on that? how to get it working etc?
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No Chat Reports mod:
Doesn't make it as painful as possible for MS/Mojang.
We don't want it sidestepped, we want them to pay for this, monkey paw style...
Who would have thought minecraft a game where we grow up with each other knowing what is bad word and how to ignore when people making fun of you turned into absolute over protective mom when you already know how to take care of yourself
The reason we behave the way alot of the time on the internet is due to the safety net it provides as we aren't personally saying these things in front of a crowd of actual people in person. This simple monitor that's wired to my PC hooked up to the internet is separates us from reality. As such we usually act alot more brazenly.
I think everyone should take this time to start using the "no telemetry" mod that disables the snooper once more. I don't expressly mind the data collection, but I do very much mind that they sneakily re-added it with no option to turn it off.
I do mind it period, so thank you for sharing this.
Thanks, I hope there will be a mod that somehow circumvents this new system aswell, although I have my doubts
Good to know. I hope others will find it too
The report system is simply an excuse to collect even more data through chat messages. They only try to disguise it as report system.
@@markhoitsma4468 There is already a mod that does both - No Chat Reports.
Any company talking about 'safety' on the internet is a massive red flag. Seriously. Even if this 'feature' is used the way it is intended, which is already highly unlikely, there's no company I would trust with deciding what kinds of behavior are 'acceptable', especially not Micro$oft.
It's for the avoidance of liability, lawsuits and all that.
@@adamthomson922 Lawsuit for what? Because some nobody called another nobody a bad name and because of how thin skinned one of them is, he commits seppuku over what some nobody said about him? Karen's can sue all they want, If I were the developer of a game, I'm not responsible with how people choose to behave within the world/game I've created, especially because nothing I made in the game promotes people's shitty behavior towards one another, so why should I feel responsible?
@@VulpinetideCuteTimes0w0 I don't disagree with you, but shit like that happends to companies especially in countries where it's easy to file lawsuits like USA. It's still Microsoft who's selling the product for XBOX, PC and Mac and when it comes to consumer protection it is indeed a valid case to file a lawsuit against a company. And also do not forget the Child Protection Act, which also forced UA-cam to take measures that were appropriate. I think this shit sucks too, they're clearly not doing it for the safety of their consumers but for the safety of their money, and that's also why my point still stands.
@@adamthomson922 Than why can't they just separate mature platforms and Kids platforms?
I'm pretty sure there are things they can write down in their policy's or terms of use that can make them less liable if anything illegal happens, which in that case it be police departments job or the fbi to track the person down, and the companies responsibility to take the images or conversations down.
Companies shouldn't be responsible for terrible parenting too. I mean, isn't that why we have ratings? A parent can't sue a company after realizing they bought a rated M game for their 10yo, because it was the parent's responsibility to know or ask what the rating is, or the game seller to explain what the rating is if they don't understand. What would be the point of the rating system if I could just sue a company for letting children play rated M games?
@@VulpinetideCuteTimes0w0 Look, terrible lawsuits are still filed and won and instead of taking the difficult route; companies do what is most cost effective, it's a business! no matter how stupid this shit is. And again, Child Protection Act is still something relevant too.
Stuff like this is what’ll kill the Minecraft player-base. Perhaps the online community can try to popularize an alternative game through various media outlets. However, how long before influence changes things? And will Microsoft intervene, pulling out their legal card on that too?
you also get censored in singleplayer, you can't even use what microsoft considers to be cuss words in Ｓ Ｉ Ｎ Ｇ Ｌ Ｅ Ｐ Ｌ Ａ Ｙ Ｅ Ｒ on a sign or a nametag, and to give an indication of what microsoft considers a cuss word, the word "crap" will be changed to ****.
They're even proudly saying they'd rather ban 100 innocent people than let a single rulebreaker get away. For a policy meant to make the experience family friendly it ironically reminds me of the modus operandi of a certain german police force you would surely get banned for mentioning
And the exact opposite of first president of the united states George Washington
It's about social control, and social engineering. Just like basically all social media platforms.
this, they dont mind banning 100 innocent, becouse they know most of them will just buy a new account to continue playing. Its a win win situation for microsoft. It truly shows the old generation of business has been changed with the new. The new only thinks about makng big bucks fast, and completly ignore the long game.
@@lisa_moonless317 yes I completely agree, also UA-cam censored your comment from public view so that means ot must be the truth
@@williamjones1325 how do you view hidden comments?
If this is implemented badly, this could genuinely be beginning of the end for Minecraft. A lot of people play MC to hang out with friends, and being suddenly told that you talk about weed or swear will genuinely break the experience.
if you are playing only to play with friends than just use an out of game chat or a private server.
With friends you can talk all fo that because they will not report
@@itsnatemate7697 lol "skype"
I mean most chat in small servers is relegated to Discord and other voice chat programs already, so it won’t effect small group servers. But for big servers it could very negatively effect the experience
@@paul_particularlyunhappynut What??
there are too many different rules on so many different servers that this system would not work. it honestly would be a lot better if servers could just choose to have it moderated on their server or be able to select certain rules this system enforces and other rules it shouldn't enforce
I was just banned for "hate speech" and I only ever play on a private realm with one other person who I know IRL and was my former room mate...