Rouge decks were still floundering even if they had access to Baronne. Top tier decks were summoning her with far greater consistency. Don’t underestand the “but my rouge pile needed barrone” sentiment
The argument is that it supports old strategies without having to make archtype-specific monsters. It’s hard to keep old players into the game that won’t let go of their favorite decks. I been okay with generic boss monsters if they aren’t too broken. My issue with the hits is that they did them now because of rarity collection. Savage was crazy in d-link formats but never hit. Tear ended in baronne but never hit. Its only now.
@@MikePhoenixHEROthey should make archetype specific monsters tho? Shouldnt the support of older archetypes be encouraged? Its not a good thing Halq was generic or Verte or Auroradone. Baronne was just as much of a problem and has been abused for too long. Im a budget player and I agree it sucks to see it hit after it became affordable but the way i see it its a small price to pay for salvation. Konami when making new support should make things not generic idc if Dark Magician or something was making baronne we dont need more isolde’s.
I agree that Konami should make good boss monsters for their decks, but my argument is boss monsters can only be so different. If every archetype was given a in-archetype-lock boss monster that had an omni-negate, why not just make a generic one that all can use. Also i love decks that stick to their own archetype, which is why i love HEROes. I never liked the Isolde and Summon Sorceress build of HEROes, i love pure HERO.
@@MikePhoenixHEROthe sad thing is even with baronne most rogue decks stay rogue even if an extra omni helps. If the deck is lacking new support or is fundamentally flawed or both the onmi’s cant fix em.
I always say that overpowered card that are generic are a problem, so banning Barrone and Borreload is perfectly fine, they are like Verte Anaconda, Appollousa etc. They should make these op cards archetype speciffic. Barronne would be a totally fair card if there was a resticrion to make it playable in Fleur decks .
Tbh Baronne didn’t really need a ban as it really only needed an errata. The reason a lot of people hate it is because it’s an Omni negate that takes generic materials. If it just had a restriction on its summon like needing Fleur Synchron then it would’ve probably dodged the ban list
@@trevorrose3769 that's exactly what I said. I played it in tear decks for a long time as the only synchro monster because it's very easy to get out ... And that's an issue. It's a very good card but because it's generic alot of decks can exploit that. (Same as they did with Verte or Halqi). And Appolousa is next on the chopping board, after the reprint in rarity collection 2.
@@Phoenixillusion18 Appo is annoying but I’ll give credit where credit is due. At least with Appo you have to put in a little bit of thought on how you are going to summon it. It’s a little annoying but not as bad as Baronne imo
I agree with you. My reason for calling it trash was when these cards were really abused (tear, d-link, etc) they were okay. It’s only now that most of the player base can afford them (thanks rarity collection) is why it’s being hit.
Yeah snake-eyes not being hit directly is a clear indicator that Konami is a troll company. Horrible banlist. Mali and Thunder Dragon going back to being hit in a future banlist.
@@ygolocals7672 summon limit has always been something that shouldn’t have been a thing, its sole purpose is to make the game unplayable, limiting anti-spell was also a good move
If konami is anti-floodgates, i agree it should have been hit way sooner than now. I always fight against summon limit and skill drain like every week at locals and some regionals. I forsure know Skill Drain is going to be abused at locals
Heres the bit for all the crying players over Baroone and Savage. if YOUR deck isn't good with out these cards IT NEVER was. other decks make it better. Apoo and IP should fallow suit and be in our winter banlist, Lowering the ceiling for the entire game is a good thing.
I also predicted IP along side Linkuriboh but i guess i was wrong on the timing lol. And yeah Apol is next after Konami finishes milking Rarity Collection 2
Tbh Baronne didn’t really need a ban as it really only needed an errata. The reason a lot of people hate it is because it’s an Omni negate that takes generic materials. If it just had a restriction on its summon like needing Fleur Synchron then it would’ve probably dodged the ban list
Linkuriboh’s gy effect to tribute on quick effect speed just enabled snake eyes players to combo/extend more on your turn 8 axis ft owner’s seal is fine without Baronne
I think prefect is too far of a reach. They didnt hit skill drain and shifter (which most people want banned). Protos and Colossus were interesting floodgates to bring back and yes i can see it being annoying but to be fair, MD has Colossus and the top decks dont play it
I don't think you should look at every change as a counter measure against snake eyes. Also i think if they continue with their anti generic negate strategy and maybe ban niburu, the game could be in its best state it ever was.
Nib makes going second bearable it needs to not be banned ban all of the negate monsters and I can get behind nib being banned but until then if you going first want to make me not able to play then you should not be able to special summon without restraint
That is true but i truly think when Konami gives tier 0 formats a slap on the wrist, the unlimits/unbans are there to combat the meta. I think it will be fun seeing what old-strategies people will mix in to fight Snake-Eye. Also without nib, how do you combat combo deck? Most decks can’t out a fully established board. Unless do you think we need more blowout board-breakers?
subbed, for me the banning of baronne and savage was dumb for it hurting rogue decks, also nib is gonna ravage this format and im not looking foward to it
Thanks for watching and subbing. Thats something i forgot to mentioned but you are totally right, most of the time the omni-negates were used for Nib protection. I guess this will really keep combo decks in check more with Nib.
m8 i have been saying for years that monsters in an archtype need to either be locked to their archtype or to their typing. No one would really be playing Baronne if you need a warrior tuner or De Fluer monster as material. Im glad someone else sees that these type of monsters should not be generic.
@@MikePhoenixHERO I literally tried improving my Rokket D Link deck 1 hour before the banlist dropped then in the middle of building it around 8pm30 news started popping up on YT and I was like "ok I guess I can stop.." Borrelload was on so many non Dragonlink Dragon decks like Dinosaurs and SE which was also somewhat "illogical" to see Super Tyranno Conductor plus Apollousa plus Borrelload
I’m glad someone else agrees on the list. I absolutely despise their choices. The only thing I enjoyed was harp horror to 3. But orcust had baronne as an end board piece and now it doesn’t. Dlink had savage and baronne now they can only end on dis pater, borrelend, seals and maybe like Draco berserker. Colossus coming to 1 is a literal joke. Snake-Eyes got hit hard but instead of hitting the problem cards in the archetype they ruin rogue decks chances of being able to put up a halfway decent board or breaking a scary board by banning the ED staples that everyone plays. Super lame list imo and it felt terrible taking linkuriboh, baronne and savage out of all my decks lol
Yeah this is Konami tcg mindset. They weaken every rogue deck by hitting the generic boss monsters that both meta and non-meta used. But they unlimit other stuff in hope that rogue will use them. Maybe mali to three will help rogue deck, maybe thunder dragon will.
You guys realize from a company standpoint players would be super upset if they dropped a ton of money to play the best deck and it got nerfed hard right away right? Like…I dont like Konami a lot of times and I do think SE shouldve gotten a limit or two as well as the linkuriboh ban but if they killed the deck players wouldve been understandably upset (im not defending snake eyes). Goodbye to generic omni bozos no more setting up negate as 5th summon nib insulation. Yes it hurts rogue decks (tho funnily enough as a rogue andy I dont play any deck with baronne or savage except psy-frame and scareclaw) but these cards always needed to go. Does it suck cause now they are affordable? Yes. But its better for the health of the game that these generic omni’s and floodgates go. Colossus to 1 I dont see realistically doing anything except bad bm’s that mess with pre-established good combos. Protos will maybe see some relevance but Swordsoul is def not changing its position in the meta. The unlimit’s were based and as a HERO player Mali to 3 wasn’t something I thought I’d see in a while. Now just awaiting the apo ban in a few months and we’ll be golden. Nib will obv be more prevalent which sucks for a Salad player like me but at the same time if it keeps meta decks in check as well I can handle that. I’d rather both rogue and meta struggle with the same thing than one have a clear advantage. For the record I dont like SE or Tier 0 in general and I loved the diversity of last format. Baronne extended its stay tho and idc if Blue-Eyes was making it or not generic omni’s arent healthy. Konami just needs to print better archetypal support. People have been stockholmed into relying on these generics for their deck to be good instead of asking for good in archetype support instead.
This video is basically you saying rouge decks needs broken genric cards to compete.. brother the deck is rougue for a reason the cards they banned are not healthy because the good decks make them and use them better than any rougue deck
I can’t speak for your area so I won’t try to invalidate your experience, but a couple of stores in my area have it. Even the sneak peek for AGOV was low attendance compared to PHHY (at the store i go to).
@@MikePhoenixHERO well believe me, targets used to carry it, and when it started getting around that "herfff derff, you can make your money back + off of AGOV boxes and be entreepenewer.stonks", it wasn't worth it to any store to carry it anymore. Even such game stores won't carry it anymore. Just like always, greedy sweaty fucks ruin things for everyone else. This was abq NM, but I doubt once the price skyrocketed for the set, anyone anywhere ever ordered it again
Regardless if this man tops ycs or not, the banlist was not it. And all the ycs ppl said they should have hit snake-eyes directly instead of what konami released. Crazy to be meat riding Komoney 😂🤣
A fan in denial. Thank for watching! Also like the other person commented, a lot of the pros said they wish they hit snake-eyes directly instead of this list.
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Rouge decks were still floundering even if they had access to Baronne. Top tier decks were summoning her with far greater consistency. Don’t underestand the “but my rouge pile needed barrone” sentiment
The argument is that it supports old strategies without having to make archtype-specific monsters. It’s hard to keep old players into the game that won’t let go of their favorite decks. I been okay with generic boss monsters if they aren’t too broken. My issue with the hits is that they did them now because of rarity collection. Savage was crazy in d-link formats but never hit. Tear ended in baronne but never hit. Its only now.
@@MikePhoenixHEROthey should make archetype specific monsters tho? Shouldnt the support of older archetypes be encouraged? Its not a good thing Halq was generic or Verte or Auroradone. Baronne was just as much of a problem and has been abused for too long. Im a budget player and I agree it sucks to see it hit after it became affordable but the way i see it its a small price to pay for salvation. Konami when making new support should make things not generic idc if Dark Magician or something was making baronne we dont need more isolde’s.
I agree that Konami should make good boss monsters for their decks, but my argument is boss monsters can only be so different. If every archetype was given a in-archetype-lock boss monster that had an omni-negate, why not just make a generic one that all can use. Also i love decks that stick to their own archetype, which is why i love HEROes. I never liked the Isolde and Summon Sorceress build of HEROes, i love pure HERO.
@@MikePhoenixHEROwhats ur take on 3 mali? Im debating still only running the two + denier as weird as that sounds
@@MikePhoenixHEROthe sad thing is even with baronne most rogue decks stay rogue even if an extra omni helps. If the deck is lacking new support or is fundamentally flawed or both the onmi’s cant fix em.
TBH this list would've been fine if we weren't in a tier 0 format
But Konami TCG doesn’t do these type of list when its a diverse format. They love unbanning old strategies when its to combat a tier 0 format.
I always say that overpowered card that are generic are a problem, so banning Barrone and Borreload is perfectly fine, they are like Verte Anaconda, Appollousa etc.
They should make these op cards archetype speciffic.
Barronne would be a totally fair card if there was a resticrion to make it playable in Fleur decks .
Tbh Baronne didn’t really need a ban as it really only needed an errata. The reason a lot of people hate it is because it’s an Omni negate that takes generic materials. If it just had a restriction on its summon like needing Fleur Synchron then it would’ve probably dodged the ban list
@@trevorrose3769 that's exactly what I said.
I played it in tear decks for a long time as the only synchro monster because it's very easy to get out ... And that's an issue.
It's a very good card but because it's generic alot of decks can exploit that. (Same as they did with Verte or Halqi).
And Appolousa is next on the chopping board, after the reprint in rarity collection 2.
@@Phoenixillusion18 Appo is annoying but I’ll give credit where credit is due. At least with Appo you have to put in a little bit of thought on how you are going to summon it. It’s a little annoying but not as bad as Baronne imo
I agree with you. My reason for calling it trash was when these cards were really abused (tear, d-link, etc) they were okay. It’s only now that most of the player base can afford them (thanks rarity collection) is why it’s being hit.
Haha true. I been saying this at my locals. Anything in rarity collection 2 is fair game to be on the chopping block like 3 months after release
Yeah snake-eyes not being hit directly is a clear indicator that Konami is a troll company. Horrible banlist. Mali and Thunder Dragon going back to being hit in a future banlist.
Snake-eyes is making us so much money why should we nerf it?
It's the same thing with Halqifibrax- ban EVERYTHING but the actual issue
are you so bad at the game? snake eyes is by far, the easiest to out tier 0 since 2015.
Baronne and Savage are 2 cards like have always been debatable to stay or not, Summon limit I wish went a lot sooner than it did
summon limit has only been a issue for like 3 months. your gonna complain about summon breaker in about 2 months
@@ygolocals7672 summon limit has always been something that shouldn’t have been a thing, its sole purpose is to make the game unplayable, limiting anti-spell was also a good move
If konami is anti-floodgates, i agree it should have been hit way sooner than now. I always fight against summon limit and skill drain like every week at locals and some regionals. I forsure know Skill Drain is going to be abused at locals
Heres the bit for all the crying players over Baroone and Savage. if YOUR deck isn't good with out these cards IT NEVER was. other decks make it better. Apoo and IP should fallow suit and be in our winter banlist, Lowering the ceiling for the entire game is a good thing.
I also predicted IP along side Linkuriboh but i guess i was wrong on the timing lol. And yeah Apol is next after Konami finishes milking Rarity Collection 2
Tbh Baronne didn’t really need a ban as it really only needed an errata. The reason a lot of people hate it is because it’s an Omni negate that takes generic materials. If it just had a restriction on its summon like needing Fleur Synchron then it would’ve probably dodged the ban list
Give it like 2 years and it will be off the ban list
@@austinclubb2093 if Firewall Dragon could get off the list then so can Baronne.
It’ll likely be errata’d later on. Hate what they did with ancient fairy dragon
@@STEPHxCAthat thing was a problem beforehand
Linkuriboh’s gy effect to tribute on quick effect speed just enabled snake eyes players to combo/extend more on your turn
8 axis ft owner’s seal is fine without Baronne
That’s right!! Let the whole world know of what a garbage banlist this was!!! S/o to you brother, let’s talk more on the next podcast!
Protos and Colossus unban might legitimately make me quit yugioh for this format. Everything else is perfect with the list.
I think prefect is too far of a reach. They didnt hit skill drain and shifter (which most people want banned). Protos and Colossus were interesting floodgates to bring back and yes i can see it being annoying but to be fair, MD has Colossus and the top decks dont play it
I don't think you should look at every change as a counter measure against snake eyes. Also i think if they continue with their anti generic negate strategy and maybe ban niburu, the game could be in its best state it ever was.
Nib makes going second bearable it needs to not be banned ban all of the negate monsters and I can get behind nib being banned but until then if you going first want to make me not able to play then you should not be able to special summon without restraint
That is true but i truly think when Konami gives tier 0 formats a slap on the wrist, the unlimits/unbans are there to combat the meta. I think it will be fun seeing what old-strategies people will mix in to fight Snake-Eye. Also without nib, how do you combat combo deck? Most decks can’t out a fully established board. Unless do you think we need more blowout board-breakers?
subbed, for me the banning of baronne and savage was dumb for it hurting rogue decks, also nib is gonna ravage this format and im not looking foward to it
Thanks for watching and subbing. Thats something i forgot to mentioned but you are totally right, most of the time the omni-negates were used for Nib protection. I guess this will really keep combo decks in check more with Nib.
finally a accurate reaction
Thanks for watching!
Borrelload shouldn't have been generic from the start period
m8 i have been saying for years that monsters in an archtype need to either be locked to their archtype or to their typing. No one would really be playing Baronne if you need a warrior tuner or De Fluer monster as material. Im glad someone else sees that these type of monsters should not be generic.
@@MikePhoenixHERO I literally tried improving my Rokket D Link deck 1 hour before the banlist dropped then in the middle of building it around 8pm30 news started popping up on YT and I was like "ok I guess I can stop.." Borrelload was on so many non Dragonlink Dragon decks like Dinosaurs and SE which was also somewhat "illogical" to see Super Tyranno Conductor plus Apollousa plus Borrelload
clownkuriboh sounds like a real card xD
I’m glad someone else agrees on the list. I absolutely despise their choices. The only thing I enjoyed was harp horror to 3. But orcust had baronne as an end board piece and now it doesn’t. Dlink had savage and baronne now they can only end on dis pater, borrelend, seals and maybe like Draco berserker. Colossus coming to 1 is a literal joke. Snake-Eyes got hit hard but instead of hitting the problem cards in the archetype they ruin rogue decks chances of being able to put up a halfway decent board or breaking a scary board by banning the ED staples that everyone plays. Super lame list imo and it felt terrible taking linkuriboh, baronne and savage out of all my decks lol
Yeah this is Konami tcg mindset. They weaken every rogue deck by hitting the generic boss monsters that both meta and non-meta used. But they unlimit other stuff in hope that rogue will use them. Maybe mali to three will help rogue deck, maybe thunder dragon will.
How do you summon a baronne in orcust?
@@lustigerkeks3 Horus bystial orcust I run assault Synchron it’s not very hard lol
@@GinFaced well that's a different deck, isn't it
@@lustigerkeks3 I mean not really it’s orcust with 2 other engines in it
Snake eyes and fire king needs to get some cards banned and limited
You guys realize from a company standpoint players would be super upset if they dropped a ton of money to play the best deck and it got nerfed hard right away right? Like…I dont like Konami a lot of times and I do think SE shouldve gotten a limit or two as well as the linkuriboh ban but if they killed the deck players wouldve been understandably upset (im not defending snake eyes). Goodbye to generic omni bozos no more setting up negate as 5th summon nib insulation. Yes it hurts rogue decks (tho funnily enough as a rogue andy I dont play any deck with baronne or savage except psy-frame and scareclaw) but these cards always needed to go. Does it suck cause now they are affordable? Yes. But its better for the health of the game that these generic omni’s and floodgates go. Colossus to 1 I dont see realistically doing anything except bad bm’s that mess with pre-established good combos. Protos will maybe see some relevance but Swordsoul is def not changing its position in the meta. The unlimit’s were based and as a HERO player Mali to 3 wasn’t something I thought I’d see in a while. Now just awaiting the apo ban in a few months and we’ll be golden. Nib will obv be more prevalent which sucks for a Salad player like me but at the same time if it keeps meta decks in check as well I can handle that. I’d rather both rogue and meta struggle with the same thing than one have a clear advantage. For the record I dont like SE or Tier 0 in general and I loved the diversity of last format. Baronne extended its stay tho and idc if Blue-Eyes was making it or not generic omni’s arent healthy. Konami just needs to print better archetypal support. People have been stockholmed into relying on these generics for their deck to be good instead of asking for good in archetype support instead.
Hey I went to Broward too lmao nice hat
This video is basically you saying rouge decks needs broken genric cards to compete.. brother the deck is rougue for a reason the cards they banned are not healthy because the good decks make them and use them better than any rougue deck
What you should be mad about is Konami not making better cards for your rouge deck
Are you kidding? People jewed out over age of overlord so fucking hard you can no longer just buy a few packs at brick and mortar stores
I can’t speak for your area so I won’t try to invalidate your experience, but a couple of stores in my area have it. Even the sneak peek for AGOV was low attendance compared to PHHY (at the store i go to).
@@MikePhoenixHERO well believe me, targets used to carry it, and when it started getting around that "herfff derff, you can make your money back + off of AGOV boxes and be entreepenewer.stonks", it wasn't worth it to any store to carry it anymore. Even such game stores won't carry it anymore. Just like always, greedy sweaty fucks ruin things for everyone else. This was abq NM, but I doubt once the price skyrocketed for the set, anyone anywhere ever ordered it again
List is good, actual skill issue
W list❤ this trash bin has definitely never topped a YCS or anything in his life
Regardless if this man tops ycs or not, the banlist was not it. And all the ycs ppl said they should have hit snake-eyes directly instead of what konami released. Crazy to be meat riding Komoney 😂🤣
A fan in denial. Thank for watching! Also like the other person commented, a lot of the pros said they wish they hit snake-eyes directly instead of this list.
best ban list of the last 4 years