"What I remember about the rise of the Empire is... is how quiet it was. During the waning hours of the Clone Wars, the 501st Legion was discreetly transferred back to Coruscant. It was a silent trip. We all knew what was about to happen, what we were about to do. Did we have any doubts? Any private, traitorous thoughts? Perhaps, but no one said a word. Not on the flight to Coruscant, not when Order 66 came down, and not when we marched into the Jedi Temple. Not a word." - Operation: Knightfall "Knightfall" - Star Wars Battlefront II (2005)
I really wish Rudyard’s cohost would ask interesting questions, build up the conversation with tidbits that he may know but it wasn’t mentioned, or just flow better with Rudyard’s train of thought. I would rather see either just Rudyard doing this solo or have someone who does “color commentary”, like mentioning interesting facts based on the current topic. As an example, at 2:27 ask something like “why did Japan want to capture China to create a new empire similar to China’s?” As someone who absolutely loves to continue learning about history and who really the topics of @Whatifalthist videos, with how he uses multiple disciplines to present an amazing breakdown of historical events. Maybe get a 3rd host to be the “color commentator”, like how the UFC has Rogan to expand on the events taking place. He doesn’t call the fights, but whenever possible, interjects his thoughts/opinions. That would be a dream job in my opinion 😊
It’s just a WIAH video with occasional interjections. Rudyard shouldn’t have to pause to ask questions, the interviewer should be asking him- leading into other points. It’s lazy, and comes off like the interviewer doesn’t care. Like check 34:00 when the interviewer only asks about the US part of the Pacific War. It’s like, that’s the only thing he cares or knows about? I’m not a fan of WIAH, personally. I listen to this because picking it apart makes me a better historian. If I’m saying it comes across as lazy and forced, I can’t imagine that people who agree with Rudyard think it is either.
Yeah, the co-host should at least keep track of where we are chronologically. Ask questions that inform the listener what year we are on by now etc "So it's early 1942 and the US just entered the war, why did the Japanese....?" I've listened to a few episodes and he provides next to nothing.
A few mistakes I caught: Pearl Harbor was the 7th of December (8th in Japanese time), not the 11th. Midway was in June 1942, not the beginning. The beginning of 1942 was when Japan was getting really good results against the U.S. The Solomon Islands campaign was after Midway, not before. The part about Kamikaze was part right, part wrong. Very few experienced pilots flew Kamikaze, most had died in the Solomon Islands fighting. The bulk of Kamikaze pilots were drafted college students, so the point about throwing away their best and brightest certainly stands.
Shout out to general Wainwright the highest ranking American captured, who was the leader when they surrendered in the Philippines. Dude survived the death march and survived the pow camps till the end of the war. Then the dude actually continued his service till he was forced to retire.
I like this series, but you need to get a better recording setup. It is so annoying hearing your neighbors driving around. I think last episode Eric just got up and walked around his house with his laptop in the middle of the podcast.
@@Bamawagoner Not really because WWII had the Holocaust and the brutal attacks the IJA had done to Korea, China and SE Asia in which you don't see that in WWI. So that's why I stated that WWI began out pure ego and WWII began out of pure evil.
Another great video, Rudyard. I noticed Dave isnt present much in the video, which I knew you would address in editing. The cigar really threw me off, but it's funny that you're doing this on what looks like a porch. I don't want to assume, but it looks like that's your first cigar, or at least, you certainly light it like a beginner. You scorched it and it canoed. I'd recommend not heating it up so fast. I wish I had more to say with the rest of your video, other than "Yes", "I agree", or "That's interesting". Sorry for being a bad student. EVERYONE should have a friend like Rudyard!
I would like to elaborate on the time before warlord, RoC and the nationalist You have mentioned multiple times that after the revolution china went straight into warlordism. Practically yes, but that ignores the attempt of making the republic in first decade of RoC It was planed and set up to be a libral democracy, but ultimately failed. For those interested, there's one person that related to a lot of early RoC history, Yuan Shikai(袁世凱), for what I know he is one of the reason why the revolution worked, the set up of the republic and the eventual warlordism. As for why the ideology of the nationalist is inconsistent for what I know one must take into consideration that the party (KMT) was the direct lineage of the revolutionary, which the most well known is Sun Yatsen, but the nature of the revolutionary movement for what I know is more to the anti qing empire than anything else. It's interesting to see that in Taiwanese textbook, RoC(1912-1927) and RoC(1927-1937 or 1949) after Chiang united the warlord is almost considered two separate entity.
Please have Curtis Yarvin on the show. I can’t recommend him enough. If I have to, I will spam the comments section with requests for the Curtis Yarvin interview
39:45. That reminds me of an old quote from Isoroku Yamamoto in the film, Tora! Tora! Tora! It goes "I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with terrible resolve."
It's the short version. WIAH, at least in the beginning, was tailored to people who are already interested in and knowledgeable about history. This is like Intro to Historical Topics for Tech Bros.
China got more material aid from Germany then Japan got so a situation where China was Axis and Japan somehow remained aligned with the British wouldn't be too hard to write.
@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971 that has got to be the most stupid take the japanese aren't absolved from pearl harbor or the bataan death march even if fdr knew they still planned it and carried it out they deserve everything they got in the war
@@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971that has got to be the most stupid take even in the chance fdr knew japan would still be completly responsible for the planning and carrying out pearl harbor and the bataan march
Even if fdr knew the japanese would still be completely responsible for planning and then carrying out pearl harbor and the other things they did to american citizens
Yamamoto Isoroku studied at Harvard, not UCLA, and hardly even to did whatever he want at IJN (perhaps except briefly between Pearl Harbor and Midway).
23:55 Chiang was captured by the warlord from the North-east (you know where), Zhang Xueliang and Yang hucheng. They were by no means communists but they did want to propose the peace deal.
How the hell do say peal harbor happened on December 11th? This episode is sub par you where jumping around to much misdated several events completely disregarded the fact that battle ship where still very much decisive for the entire war
He also said the pilots flew from Hokkaido. They didn’t. Maybe people will start to realize that Rudyard doesn’t really know what he’s talking about, and just makes gross generalizations. He isn’t a trained historian, and twists facts to fit his world view. He is definitely a bright fucking kid, but misled. As much as I once loathed college, it’s a great place to meet people who know what they’re talking about and have the credentials to back it up.
Nor really, maybe in WW1 and before did. But the sinking of the Yamato by torpedoes shot from planes made sure to everyone to know that battleships were an outdated concept. Even more after the creation of Cruise missiles.
What should have been the start of Australian civilisation ended up heralding it's demise. It's one of history's greatest mysteries you see. Oh the vulgarity of our fortunes.
I see the Japanese wars of expansion, somewhat similar to Russias today. They're sprinting through a perceived advantageous strategy, for a world that doesn't exist anymore, finding they may be the biggest shark in their reef, but not in the ocean.
25:52 if their are only 2 books in English but more Chinese literature, couldn't someone just push literature through an online translator to then understand more if only from Chinese perspective.
there* Online translators lack nuance that human translators can parse. This is coming from somebody who has had to read a French book on 16th C. Lyon printshops via Google Translate. Sure, it worked for the basic facts. But anything beyond that?
The problem with the Chinese perspective is that is overly nationalistic and filled with emotions. A good way to understand how the Chinese view It though.
Japan knew it needed resources that it didn’t possess natively to modernize but the western powers had already claimed most of them. This left china as the primary source to colonize and exploit. The US then sided with China in the conflict for various reasons, and then embargoed Japan’s oil imports which threatened its military & therefore its national self image / existence. At that point war against the western powers became inevitable. However their quick strikes against the European powers where wildly successful & had Japan not attacked the US but only the European colonies it would have had the resources and empire it craved. But as it turned out they planned to attack all western powers simultaneously and so everything unfolded as we know it today. That being said, Japan could have probably held on in the war much longer and maybe even ‘win’ as they defined it, if they had utilized their forces and advantages better.
How was it that the japanese were struggling against china, but later could fight china and take over all the colonies of the west and fight a land war against the british in india? If they had all thise troops youd think that they could beat china in a war
My understanding is they got a lot of backing, particularly initially, from anti colonial rebel groups, who changed their mind as Japan was less helpful than sold.
The Nationalists were pretty much backed by the US and Communists by the USSR. No wonder, and as he said, waves of people do matter in war, despite the high mortality rates.
In both the battles the British Indian Army fought against the Japanese, the Indians lost significantly less soldiers than the Japanese. Don't see the human waves here.
I was trying to look into what could possibly posses japan to do what it did during ww2 and it looks like its chalked up to ego and a notice me senpai complex lol Crazy
@@TomoTakinoFanClub Japan only came to control Manchuria two decades later after the 1931 Manchurian Incident, after which they would establish the puppet state of Manchukuo, with the former Qing emperor as it's figurehead. But of course you wouldn't know that, bonkurasu.
jfc if you listen closely, you can hear the sound of 10,000 japanese veterans rolling over in there graves...i'm beginning to think he doesn't know what he is talking about lol!
What part does seem like he doesn't know what he is talking about? Because if It is about the recognition of nations about the potential of the Aircraft carrier, I might agree.
??? Brother, how could you not believe in evolution in the year of our lord 2024 AD? Is this the type of crowd Rudyard ropes in?? Your poor daughter, man.
That cigar canoeing so hard bro
I was about to say 😭 it’s boating so hard I just want to pull it away and fix it for him
Dude, it’s distracting me so much. I can’t even even listen to what he’s saying.
@@Trash_Boat007 lol make it look like the exhaust pipe from the batmobile 😈
Why is everyone suddenly a cigar expert
"What I remember about the rise of the Empire is... is how quiet it was. During the waning hours of the Clone Wars, the 501st Legion was discreetly transferred back to Coruscant. It was a silent trip. We all knew what was about to happen, what we were about to do. Did we have any doubts? Any private, traitorous thoughts? Perhaps, but no one said a word. Not on the flight to Coruscant, not when Order 66 came down, and not when we marched into the Jedi Temple. Not a word." - Operation: Knightfall "Knightfall" - Star Wars Battlefront II (2005)
“Fire on flight deck R”
I'm happy to see Rudyard enjoying a cigar, but there was something about opening the video with it that made me think of Zuck's "sweet baby rays"
I really wish Rudyard’s cohost would ask interesting questions, build up the conversation with tidbits that he may know but it wasn’t mentioned, or just flow better with Rudyard’s train of thought.
I would rather see either just Rudyard doing this solo or have someone who does “color commentary”, like mentioning interesting facts based on the current topic.
As an example, at 2:27 ask something like “why did Japan want to capture China to create a new empire similar to China’s?”
As someone who absolutely loves to continue learning about history and who really the topics of @Whatifalthist videos, with how he uses multiple disciplines to present an amazing breakdown of historical events.
Maybe get a 3rd host to be the “color commentator”, like how the UFC has Rogan to expand on the events taking place. He doesn’t call the fights, but whenever possible, interjects his thoughts/opinions.
That would be a dream job in my opinion 😊
It’s just a WIAH video with occasional interjections. Rudyard shouldn’t have to pause to ask questions, the interviewer should be asking him- leading into other points.
It’s lazy, and comes off like the interviewer doesn’t care. Like check 34:00 when the interviewer only asks about the US part of the Pacific War. It’s like, that’s the only thing he cares or knows about?
I’m not a fan of WIAH, personally. I listen to this because picking it apart makes me a better historian. If I’m saying it comes across as lazy and forced, I can’t imagine that people who agree with Rudyard think it is either.
Absolutely agree. The other guy really needs to step up his game.
Yeah, the co-host should at least keep track of where we are chronologically. Ask questions that inform the listener what year we are on by now etc "So it's early 1942 and the US just entered the war, why did the Japanese....?" I've listened to a few episodes and he provides next to nothing.
This stuff is better than the actual whatifalthist content
Rudyard canoed the fuck out of that cigar
I know I mean did he use a blowtorch to light that cigar?
A few mistakes I caught:
Pearl Harbor was the 7th of December (8th in Japanese time), not the 11th.
Midway was in June 1942, not the beginning. The beginning of 1942 was when Japan was getting really good results against the U.S.
The Solomon Islands campaign was after Midway, not before.
The part about Kamikaze was part right, part wrong. Very few experienced pilots flew Kamikaze, most had died in the Solomon Islands fighting. The bulk of Kamikaze pilots were drafted college students, so the point about throwing away their best and brightest certainly stands.
Shout out to general Wainwright the highest ranking American captured, who was the leader when they surrendered in the Philippines. Dude survived the death march and survived the pow camps till the end of the war. Then the dude actually continued his service till he was forced to retire.
He and another commanding officer who went through the same POW treatment were onboard the ship when the Japanese formally signed the surrender.
@@douglasstewart4790the British Commanding General during the surrender of Singapore. Lieutenant General Arthur Percival.
Shoutout to Rudy for being too dorky to smoke a cigar properly
😂
I thought this was the japanese civilization video for a second
1 more week
This podcast is so good bro. Keep it up man!
I like this series, but you need to get a better recording setup. It is so annoying hearing your neighbors driving around. I think last episode Eric just got up and walked around his house with his laptop in the middle of the podcast.
15:16 Oh that was my question!! Amazing to see them looking at our comments and using them in the show!!
Bro, we need to get you some better cigars. Your content demands it
What do you mean? does cigar have to look good?
@@dusanstanisic-im4goit should at least taste good
Yeah what happened to his cigar?
@@notallowedtobehonest2539 lol i can taste how terrible that cigar must be from across the internet 😂
"Everybody was a good guy in WW1." -laughs in Turkish
The truth is that WWI began out of pure ego and WWII began out of pure evil.
@@jasonpalacios1363WWII was ego too. The bruised egos of the Japanese, Germans, and Italians lead to the rise of fascist systems.
@@Bamawagoner Not really because WWII had the Holocaust and the brutal attacks the IJA had done to Korea, China and SE Asia in which you don't see that in WWI. So that's why I stated that WWI began out pure ego and WWII began out of pure evil.
It's more complicated than bruised ego. Allied hypocracy was big part of it.
Laughs in Ottoman*
You need a new host.
Thats fascinating
Rudyard should really start looksmaxing. Bro looks like the Colosal Titan💀
Do you mean going to the gym? 😂
@@resurrectingexcellence Yeah, and probably shave that chest hair
I was thinking more so beast titan but this comment was still pretty funny
Another great video, Rudyard. I noticed Dave isnt present much in the video, which I knew you would address in editing. The cigar really threw me off, but it's funny that you're doing this on what looks like a porch. I don't want to assume, but it looks like that's your first cigar, or at least, you certainly light it like a beginner. You scorched it and it canoed. I'd recommend not heating it up so fast. I wish I had more to say with the rest of your video, other than "Yes", "I agree", or "That's interesting". Sorry for being a bad student. EVERYONE should have a friend like Rudyard!
Love these thanks for the upload.
Very honorabru
Underrated comment
Shane Gillis?
@@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971 fellow dawg?
So glad no one ever filmed me smoking my first cigar
Fix the end. flame the leafy portion on the lit end
Natural tobacco is the way to go if you have to do it, but you gotta do it right.
I would like to elaborate on the time before warlord, RoC and the nationalist
You have mentioned multiple times that after the revolution china went straight into warlordism.
Practically yes, but that ignores the attempt of making the republic in first decade of RoC
It was planed and set up to be a libral democracy, but ultimately failed.
For those interested, there's one person that related to a lot of early RoC history, Yuan Shikai(袁世凱), for what I know he is one of the reason why the revolution worked, the set up of the republic and the eventual warlordism.
As for why the ideology of the nationalist is inconsistent for what I know one must take into consideration that the party (KMT) was the direct lineage of the revolutionary, which the most well known is Sun Yatsen, but the nature of the revolutionary movement for what I know is more to the anti qing empire than anything else.
It's interesting to see that in Taiwanese textbook, RoC(1912-1927) and RoC(1927-1937 or 1949) after Chiang united the warlord is almost considered two separate entity.
Please have Curtis Yarvin on the show. I can’t recommend him enough. If I have to, I will spam the comments section with requests for the Curtis Yarvin interview
Need to put History 102 in the Thumbnail, keep missing them
39:45. That reminds me of an old quote from Isoroku Yamamoto in the film, Tora! Tora! Tora! It goes "I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with terrible resolve."
I still don't understand how this channel differs from WIAH in any substantive way
?? It's clearly a lot more personal and we get to see more of Rudyard
No text walls
It isn’t. It’s WIAH with a random uninterested pedestrian trying to go about his day unmolested lmao.
Production quality is lower so they're easier to make. Adds volume to his brand imo
It's the short version. WIAH, at least in the beginning, was tailored to people who are already interested in and knowledgeable about history. This is like Intro to Historical Topics for Tech Bros.
Rudyard rocks the Slavic necklace like a boss.
Nice background change :D!
China got more material aid from Germany then Japan got so a situation where China was Axis and Japan somehow remained aligned with the British wouldn't be too hard to write.
“THE MEN ARE FATIGUED MY LORD!! AND SOME MUST REST!!”
Dan Carlin’s podcast Supernova in the East on this topic is legendary. It’s free here on UA-cam which we’re incredibly lucky for, easily worth a buck.
Kotkin says there was no lucky break for the Russians; Stalin simply decided he rather has Japan take Siberia than to lose Moscow
Nation of shopkeepers was referred to the British not the Americans
People keep saying this about Poland with Churchill , very intriguing
-When you spill your spaghetti so hard, you forget how to smoke
Been on a WIAH marathon all day!
Poor ROC was already fighting the Communists in 1929 before WW2 started.
Good old Rudyard "Of course I like human rights" Lynch
yamamoto went to harvard, not ucla
“SHAMEFURRRR DISPLAYYYYY!!”
Real life example of fuxk around and find out.
Don't touch the boats!
FDR let it happen and instigated the war on both fronts. He also helped orchestrate Weimar when he was a banker on Wall Street
@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971 that has got to be the most stupid take the japanese aren't absolved from pearl harbor or the bataan death march even if fdr knew they still planned it and carried it out they deserve everything they got in the war
@@igotfriendsinlowplaces2971that has got to be the most stupid take even in the chance fdr knew japan would still be completly responsible for the planning and carrying out pearl harbor and the bataan march
Even if fdr knew the japanese would still be completely responsible for planning and then carrying out pearl harbor and the other things they did to american citizens
@@mendelkorf639 you’re stupid for not knowing anything about the topic. Cope
Im from Bangladesh originally and I have grandparents who loved through the war. The British sprayed herbacide on our land to stop corp growth.
We need to see Rudyard smoke weed on next episode
Good luck, he’s living in Texas at the moment
Explaining jamaican civilization
Yamamoto Isoroku studied at Harvard, not UCLA, and hardly even to did whatever he want at IJN (perhaps except briefly between Pearl Harbor and Midway).
23:55 Chiang was captured by the warlord from the North-east (you know where), Zhang Xueliang and Yang hucheng. They were by no means communists but they did want to propose the peace deal.
How the hell do say peal harbor happened on December 11th? This episode is sub par you where jumping around to much misdated several events completely disregarded the fact that battle ship where still very much decisive for the entire war
He also said the pilots flew from Hokkaido. They didn’t.
Maybe people will start to realize that Rudyard doesn’t really know what he’s talking about, and just makes gross generalizations.
He isn’t a trained historian, and twists facts to fit his world view. He is definitely a bright fucking kid, but misled. As much as I once loathed college, it’s a great place to meet people who know what they’re talking about and have the credentials to back it up.
Nor really, maybe in WW1 and before did.
But the sinking of the Yamato by torpedoes shot from planes made sure to everyone to know that battleships were an outdated concept.
Even more after the creation of Cruise missiles.
It seems thats timeline 47, where he started smoking.
What should have been the start of Australian civilisation ended up heralding it's demise. It's one of history's greatest mysteries you see. Oh the vulgarity of our fortunes.
🙂
I see the Japanese wars of expansion, somewhat similar to Russias today. They're sprinting through a perceived advantageous strategy, for a world that doesn't exist anymore, finding they may be the biggest shark in their reef, but not in the ocean.
Neat
blud needs a higher quality cigar and learn how to light it
25:52 if their are only 2 books in English but more Chinese literature, couldn't someone just push literature through an online translator to then understand more if only from Chinese perspective.
there*
Online translators lack nuance that human translators can parse. This is coming from somebody who has had to read a French book on 16th C. Lyon printshops via Google Translate.
Sure, it worked for the basic facts. But anything beyond that?
The problem with the Chinese perspective is that is overly nationalistic and filled with emotions. A good way to understand how the Chinese view It though.
Japan knew it needed resources that it didn’t possess natively to modernize but the western powers had already claimed most of them. This left china as the primary source to colonize and exploit. The US then sided with China in the conflict for various reasons, and then embargoed Japan’s oil imports which threatened its military & therefore its national self image / existence. At that point war against the western powers became inevitable. However their quick strikes against the European powers where wildly successful & had Japan not attacked the US but only the European colonies it would have had the resources and empire it craved. But as it turned out they planned to attack all western powers simultaneously and so everything unfolded as we know it today. That being said, Japan could have probably held on in the war much longer and maybe even ‘win’ as they defined it, if they had utilized their forces and advantages better.
Didn’t say no spoilers
How was it that the japanese were struggling against china, but later could fight china and take over all the colonies of the west and fight a land war against the british in india? If they had all thise troops youd think that they could beat china in a war
My understanding is they got a lot of backing, particularly initially, from anti colonial rebel groups, who changed their mind as Japan was less helpful than sold.
The Nationalists were pretty much backed by the US and Communists by the USSR.
No wonder, and as he said, waves of people do matter in war, despite the high mortality rates.
Based Rudyard 😂
The pacific to be specific.
In both the battles the British Indian Army fought against the Japanese, the Indians lost significantly less soldiers than the Japanese. Don't see the human waves here.
He used a butane lighter
I was trying to look into what could possibly posses japan to do what it did during ww2 and it looks like its chalked up to ego and a notice me senpai complex lol
Crazy
Debate undead chronic whatifautist
This might be Andrew Tate
Howdy
Owari da
Japan did NOT control Manchuria in 1914.
Yes it did, liar
@@TomoTakinoFanClub Japan only came to control Manchuria two decades later after the 1931 Manchurian Incident, after which they would establish the puppet state of Manchukuo, with the former Qing emperor as it's figurehead. But of course you wouldn't know that, bonkurasu.
Speaking live really confuses people.
He is far more coherent in videos since he can correct those unintentional errors.
@@emilioperez6888 I was referring to the map he shown in the video, which he made and was mostly accurate.
Ah yes, the Co-Poverty Sphere.
So you don't think they knew the aircraft carrier was so strong!? You think they made the most expensive craft on accident!?
Battleships where far more expensive than carriers during the war.
@@ZontarDow I would double check that if I were you
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jfc if you listen closely, you can hear the sound of 10,000 japanese veterans rolling over in there graves...i'm beginning to think he doesn't know what he is talking about lol!
What part does seem like he doesn't know what he is talking about?
Because if It is about the recognition of nations about the potential of the Aircraft carrier, I might agree.
You can thank Darwin for imperial Japan and nasii Germany. Thats where evolutionary biologys end point is. Some are more equal than others.
??? Brother, how could you not believe in evolution in the year of our lord 2024 AD?
Is this the type of crowd Rudyard ropes in??
Your poor daughter, man.
No
Didn’t do that much actual genocide? The rape of nanking? The testing on the Chinese? I’m beginning to doubt your knowledge
Rudyard really reporting from the front this time