I don't hate Marinete, I just get a little frustrated with some of her actions and the other characters too, since her friends and family could help, like, some of the things she does are kind of wrong but sometimes it's okay to pass, but when none of the characters disapprove of what she does it's a little hard to not feel frustrated. Marinete doesn't have to be perfect but she could improve some things with time in the right way, like control her anxiety and obsession with Adrien so they can interact in the right way.
@Cacau Massipan Oficial I agree with you. Some of Marinette's actions are not okay but it's just what all characters do. Marinette is definitely not obsessed. What do you mean by "her friends and family could help her"?
@@maximilianschussler8126 I mean in the sense of pointing out something that is wrong or saying when something doesn't feel right, every time she creates a crazy plan no character questions and does everything she wants even in wrong or dangerous situations, like when she wanted to break into Adrien's house and the fireman helped her instead of saying no since it looked dangerous, or when Alya pushed Marinete into the elevator so she could go with Adrien when her ex boyfriend, Adrien's ex and one more person were there and it would be a very embarrassing situation, but Alya didn't think about it and did what Marinete usually does in her plans, or when Marinete caused explosions at the beginning of the fourth season and her parents believed it was a school project because she told them so, but she did it many times and even made the house shake and knocked everything down, and still they didn't question anything. I just wish that Marinete's friends and her parents give a better solution when she has some idea that is too complicated or even dangerous, even if Marinete had a hard time accepting it, it would at least show that she thinks about it and that her friends and family care for what happens to her if she tries to do what she wants.
I agree, Felix is a bad character, but I wouldn't call him evil. I think there is some good in him but he is too proud to show it. I really hope that we will see some character development in season 5. I know it sounds weird but he is actually my favorite right now because he has so much potential😂
No felix is not a bad character It is not about if he is evil or not but he is an interesting character compared to other miraculous ladybug characters.
Félix is a pretty nice and interesting character. I don't think we shall call him a bad character. The question is if he's really evil. I'm curious what he wants with the Peacock Miraculous. Félix has definitely much potential
To be honest I kind of like Felix in the sense of character and purpose, but not as a super villain, I would like him to continue as an antihero, someone who does bad things because they have a goal to fulfill without caring about others because it's very important to them. I don't judge who is angry for what Félix did, but he always has an impact when he arrives and that's his purpose.
We have to make the difference between a bad person and a bad character: XY is both, just a forgetable jerk, Zoe is a bad character, she is boring and has no flaws, Felix is a bad person, but a good character, he's mysterious selfish and smart.
@@maximilianschussler8126 Bro have you been paying attention to her room? Look at ALL the pictures she has of him in her room. She knows where he is every second and she made so many presents for his future birthdays. She also stalks him and knows his schedule which is kinda creepy
Not to mention that Gabriel had the opportunity to change the timeline if he listened to Natalie, saving her, Emilie, and multiple others if he gave his younger self the flash drive. BUT INSTEAD HE CONTINUES TO FIGHT WITH TWO 14 YEAR OLDS FOR SOME REASON AND GETS SURPRISED WHEN NATALIE IS PISSED OFF.
There's a difference between a bad person and a bad character. Felix is absolutely a bad person, but I'd argue that he's actually a very good character. He's interesting, which is more than I can say about 90% of the main cast. It's a similar thing with Lila. I hate her guts, but that's part of what makes her great. She makes a fantastic villain, someone who is intelligent (relatively speaking anyway) and threatening and adds a lot to the plot. I despise her, but the show would be a lot less interesting without her in it. (I will say though, unlike Lila I do actually like Felix. Like I said before, he's interesting. And, despite his frankly appalling behavior, he's not _completely_ evil. He has lots of empathy for sentimonsters. _All_ sentimonsters, not just the human-looking ones. Not even Adrien can make that claim. And in "Emotion" Felix seems to legitimately sympathize with Marinette when she's being judged by the people at the diamond dance. He also gets really upset when he thinks that he accidentally made Marinette disappear. So yeah, he's definitely not a good person, but he does have a couple sparks of decency in there. That's more than Lila can say.)
I actually like Felix's character. He's so interesting and dynamic, and had a lot of potential. Also(spoiler alert) He does get a redemption arc and becomes a hero. I think the way his father treated him was why he was so cold to the other characters
I think that a lot of people have confused a bad character with a bad person. According to professionals, a bad character is one without any traits that move the viewer or to whom we can’t relate. Another thing that constitutes a bad character is if their existence in itself creates plot holes. Let’s take Zoe, for example. I personally don’t hate her, in fact, I think that she created a rare sister-to -sister relationship within the show that we haven’t seen before. Plus, she’s relatable. However, her character lacks spice and feels too spontaneous, and her backstory lacks depth and creates plot holes. I won’t say that Thomas has a thing against Chloe, because that’s just ridiculous, and utterly so, but I will say that it was clear to me from the get-go that the writers were going for a different execution, one that works in theory, but really fails in practice. We had no idea of her existence until season 4. As for Felix, he’s far from a bad character, he pushes the plot forward and challenges both the protagonist and the antagonist. That’s a **good** character, but yes, an antagonistic one. Marinette, on the other hand, has some weird habits before her improvement in season 4 and honestly, it’s because she was written by middle aged men. However, that doesn’t mean she’s a bad character, especially because those actions are written as comedy, and thus should not to be taken at face value. As I stated before, she is a dynamic character, not a static one. She has different sides to her, she can do cutesy things and more serious ones as well. She has an incredible sense of justice which she uses as Ladybug. She’s incredibly relatable which is why outside of the hate side of the fandom, there are people who love and appreciate her.
I strongly suspect the reason Chloe and Zoe and Lila's plots don't make much sense if because they have been exchanged - Zoe got Chloe's redemption arc & Chloe got Lila's plots in Season 4. That is why certain things make more sense if you swap them back - like it would make more sense for Lila to be butting heads with Bob Roth than Chloe - they had to change Andre's reaction to things to allow Bob to even be a jerk to Chloe, Also Lila is a wannabe so even Queen Banana would make more sense with Lila wanting to be the movie star as that one's plot - if Lila was doing what Zoe was doing that would have worked too - and keep Chloe as a wrong'en. But yeah I suspect some things got shifted between characters in season 4. As for Marinette I may have some issue with her but they have nothing to do with her Stalkerish tendencies (other than the Shanghai Special as that was super bad) but for her endangering other people for her own convenience over and over - and how horrible she is to Cat Noir - we kinda found out that she knows him hardly at all much as with Adrien and when when had that Reveal in Ephemeral it felt un-earned and irrational. Marinette needs to act like a better person, be a friend to Adrien and learn about Cat Noir as a person too - then she can grow into a proper relationship - she doesn't have that though. for me that doesn't work, and I kinda don't like how she treats her classmates either. Marinette can be selfish and it makes he look like a bad leader - heck she was even a jerk to Alya too. & shes never once noticed Nino is struggling as a hero either. Unfortunately rather than Fix Marinette's behaviour - they decided to make Adrien act as poorly as she did and that is disasterous unless they own up to it prior to a reveal and admit that they both have acted poorly. The problem is though when your protagonists act poorly doesn't it just EXCUSE Chloe acting bad and also make you ask tricky questions like "Maybe Kagami would be a better team leader".
I always thought gabriel was just in love with emile and would do anything for her like most people would for there wife but when he chose the miraculous over emile in season five it really hit hard and basicly made it look like his motivation is not emile anymore
To me I don't hate Lila because she's funny & makes me laugh sometimes. She's pretty much an SMG4 character who makes me laugh. The first time she appeared I hated her for how she was, but after I started to like her for being funny. I feel like this girl has a sad story & lies to hide it & this theory could be true. I feel bad for Lila, but I like her & she's funny.
Well , actually, i agree with you in all of them , but mari’s one not so much , i mean ofc its so wrong to stalk your crush like how mari do , but she don’t deserve to be a bad character just for this , and she saves paris with chat everyday , we can look at the good side that she changed , that’s my opinion idk , and finally, love your vids! Keep going ❤️
I love the show Miraculous, but I hate a lot of the characters. But before I get really started, I think the show can have one improvement. Making the characters so gullible! Here's a list of people I think are awful. Sabrina is number nine. She isn't exactly evil like Lila and Chloe, but her actions in episode 14, season five are very, very uncalled for. Gabriel is number eight, because he's a terrible parent. Miss Bustier is number seven, because just like Alya, she's taking Chloe and Lila's side. Alya is number six, because she's always taking Lila's side. I mean, I get it, everyone thought Lila was a nice girl, but that doesn't mean she has to blame Marinette. Chloe is number five, because her actions were cruel. Even though I hate Marinette, no one especially Marinette deserves to feel the way she did in eighth grade in the flashback of season five episode 14. Ladybug is number four, because she's a terrible partner! She is so rude to Cat Noir, and she doesn't seem to feel bad. She also lied to him, too. Lila is number three, because she lies and knows that she's hurting people's feelings. Tikki is number two, because she does say rude stuff to Marinette and she doesn't seem to help Marinette when she needs it. Marinette is definitely number one, because her actions are awful!! I mean, I get it, everyone has a crush, but she has a huge obsession over Adrien. I mean knowing his schedule for the next 15 years?! Come on! I'm not trying to be rude, I don't even know why Master Fu chose Marinette.
Marinette is the worst bcs she's meant to be the role model of the show. She's meant to be relatable. But the writers made her whole character revolves around a boy for 4 seasons, where from S1-3 she has no development whatsoever, and even got worse in S3 Zoe's whole existence is really just to replace Chloe and for someone new to be Queen Bee. Honestly, with Alya's identity as Rena Rouge being uncovered, it would be much reasonable if Alya was the next Queen Bee instead, while also being Rena when the situation requires The thing about Lila is the she's meant to be the bad guy, and aside from the fact thay everyone lost their brain cells whenever she appears, she's doing a good job. Problem is that she only appears bcs the plot demand so, so she's literally just another plot device and not a character People who hate Felix were just pissed that he betrayed Ladybug, and also for his debut episode, which i also agree thats the worst (then again, S3 is terrible in every way). He's an interesting character, especially after S4. But like Lila, he's a plot device and not a character
Oh. How typical. There're many "fans" who think Marinette is the worst character. Nobody needs to like Marinette but if you think she's creepy, a stalker or something like that, you have zero idea and you can't be a true Miraculous fan
I can't be a "true miraculous fan" because of stating how she is? Anyways I don't care, miraculous is a very boring show for me. I'm only watching it to see the reveal.
@@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm3093 She's not a stalker or creepy at all. Some of actions seem a bit strange but that's not stalking. People can think whatever they want but if they write it in the comments, they have to expect that fans like I'll tell them the truth
I don't hate Marinette, I guess she must stop knowing Adrien's plans by heart and I think Lila is the worse character in miraculous ladybug then in the second place gabriel. With gabriel, every time I see him in his lair I don't oh on what are we going to do instead I think can't wait to see him again but, when it comes to Felix and Lila I feel like something not good is going to happen.
The thing with Mari is she does so many wrong things yet she doesn't have any consequences. Like she stole people's phones for 3 times, so obsessed with Adrian that she doesn't even let him be alone with a girl, she accused her friends of being a thief, when it comes to Adrian she just forgets about her friends like "party crasher" episode, she disguise herself and lie her way up to Adrian's house, she's too fast to judge people, she lies to her parents to go see Adrian, she doesn't ask for permissions when she handed those cakes and cookies to Zoe I mean her parents ofc would've said yes but I totally think she should've asked, she doesn't care about people's boundaries like the time in "guiltrip" when she told everyone about Juleka when she clearly didn't want people to know AnD go on.. Her character is really really a very bad written idea, she's just got too many things she should've been pushined for yet she's here being the main character of the show.
Wdym she doesn't let" Adrien be alone with a girl" have you even watched heart hunter she literally left so kagami and Adrien could be together. In "Party Crasher" she just wanted to see what the boys were up too since all of them were giving really lame excuses. Accusing her friends of being a thief like anyone could have taken it everyone was suspicious like why would Adrien take it he's rich. She told everyone about Juleka because like she needed people to cheer her up she was sad.
She's not to fast to judge people like if that would have happened to me I would have acted like that too. And like she doesn't really lie to her parents. SHE was doing a good thing for Zoe she just came in town and everything that happened she felt bad and decided to give her something. Like stop hating on Marinette
@@adrinette_stan see I get that you care about her character but really if you can explain something doesn't mean it's true. In heart hunter she left yes but it didn't last long as ladybug she couldn't bear to let them be, so again she lied to Kagami and put her in danger. Like I don't get it didn't Master fu told her secret identities must be protected at all costs? And that it'll put people's lives in danger? Her friend needed help but she just made another lame excuse and left them all alone, that's not curiosity its noisiness. Well.. Every one in that school is super rich, it's a super fancy school. She could've just said " it's not me, I didn't do that you can check my bag and see if it's there, plus some one else might have mistakenly put it in their bag, shouldn't we let all students search for it as well?" See.. You're not allowed to accuse people at any cost and just get away with it
@@adrinette_stan and I'm really sorry if it sounded like I was spread hatred on her. It's my fault for not being careful enough not to choose the right words for me to say my opinion on her. I just wanted to address her wrong doings, things that were rude and cruel of her. Being rude, cruel and some sort of lying doesn't mean you're a bad person nor deserve to be hated. That just mean like any other human being you did wrong ~ Sincerely sorry again if I sounded rude to you~
10? I can only think of a few characters that are truly worth hating. *Chloé is basically a spoiled disaster maker. *Gabriel is a terrible selfish father & an abusive power-hungry monster. What will it take to snap him out of it!? Emily finally waking up & being terrified of the monster he has become!? (And I wouldn't be surprised if he sacrifices Natalie to bring Emily back). *Sabrina is such a clingy brown-nose that I would feel sorry for her, if she noticed that Chloé is just gaslighting her as an assistant than a friend. *The mayor is a total doormat, and doesn't even punish Chloé enough to shape her up. *If you thought Chloé was bad, she gets her attitude & manners from her mother. *And let's not forget that one idiot who almost Marinette's mom sent to jail over a story he didn't believe.
1. I don't need Zoe to hate Chloe 2. Marinette is my favorite character, and I can relate her a lot, especially in season 4. I can relate to both Marinette and Zoe, I don't think Zoe is pick me.
Yeah I think Marinette is a great character and is not a stalker because to be a stalker you have to follow some one frequently and send them wired messages and just be a nutcase plus online you can find any celebrity's calendar of what they are doing 💖❤️💖❤️
Tbh in my opinion I think that lila is too over hated . Like I get it she lies a lot, shes mean, and might be annoying to some people, but I do not see why she gets that much hate. tbh she is one of my favorite characters because she affects the plot maybe not in season 4 but she did in other seasons
I don’t hate Lila cause she’s mean or rude I actually like that’s she kindve another thing to look forward with all the mystery surrounding her but I also agree with the one comment talking about her disappearance in like s3. She could’ve had build up and a great arc but they just kindve threw her character in a corner till like the end of s4. Hope she gets better in the future:/
Okay. I don't think Lila is specifically badly written but she did have potential and she kinda interesting but they just make her writing forced . Her lies don't make sense but they still believe her. I believe zoe is the worst character because she is useless to the plot and she has no personality. Master fu is also a very bad character. Marinette is one of thd worst protagonists I had ever seen She is getting some development but that didn't change that she has such forced writing. Gabriel is supposed to be a sympathic villan but he is not. He is a horrible person and a bad character. Those are the worst characters for me. I don't mean Lila ( she is not that good but she is not one of the worst characters).
hi CatblancX princess justice can you please do a theory video on the miraculous London special which is coming soon? I think I saw a teaser video on youtube. I think all of your fans would love an amazing theory video on what you think about miraculous london special I am so excited to see what happens there in miraculous ladybug london special! 😃🥰
@secret superstar/s If the producers and writers are that incompetent and if it's such a bad written show, don't watch it. No one forces you. People like you can only complain. You should be happy that this wonderful show even exists
@@maximilianschussler8126 they are just saying their opinion that the producers and writers are trash. Do yk what a wonderful show is, well its a show with a good plot, nicely written characters, no racism, and a great plot, and if an animation nice animation. You can not tell me that is miraculous
I feel like Nino should have been there he was soo good in season 1 very friendly funny calm and outgoing through season 2 then at the end of season 3 the writers completely ruined his character to a point where I wasn't much interest in him and then in season 4 the way writers portrayed Nino was bad they made him look dumb and stupid he was one of the reasons of Gabriel knowing who rena rouge was and completely obsessed with alya to a point where he was jealous of chat noir and git akumatized for it what a waste of time and to a point where ruined everything in the season. Hopefully I'm able to watch season 5 to know more about the series.
In defense of miraculous ladybug characters 10 - Zoe Lee - The main problem with her is people are saying she was written just to replace Chloe, she is a pick me, and that she is bland with no personality. Zoe was not added to replace Chloe as the temporary holder of the bee miraculous and she is not a pick me. Zoe`s character does not revolve around attention. Being a pick, me means you desperately seek attention from other character. In the episode Sole Crusher, the first thing we see Zoey do is form a friendship with Marinette when they form that friendship, we see that Zoey is caring, sweet, and forgiving. This shows that Zoey does have a personality and is not bland. After seeing Zoe create a friendship with Marinette. We see Zoe meet her mother (probably from the first time in years) and we see Audrey Bourgeois treat her horribly. Then we see Chloe demanding everything Zoe should say and do and Zoe gives into it at school. Honestly, I don`t think anyone can blame Zoe for giving in she had never been to Paris before, the only family she has is the Bourgeois family, Chloe can be intimating, and unlike in school Zoe does have anyone to stand up for her. By the end of episode, we see Zoe realize she does not Chloe accepting her, and she moves this proves that she is not a pick me. The other big complaint about Zoe is that she is just added to replace Chloe as the temporary holder of the bee miraculous. This is not a fair comment because Zoey might have been intended to help Chloe realize that is not good for her to act like Audrey Bourgeois. When you abuse a child there is only set in stone way for the child to behave. It has been heavily hinted that Audrey verbally and emotionally abused Chloe her whole life and this is why Chloe behaves the way she does. Zoey might have been brought in to help Chloe realize that acting Audrey just makes you feel even more alone than ever. A good example of this concept is the 3rd season of the TV show Avatar the Last Airbender. During the 3rd season of that show the character Zuko made a huge shift from being an antagonist into being a protagonist. Zuko made this shift because his uncle Iroh influenced him and ultimately helped him realize the kind of person his father fire lord Ozai truly is and the consequences of following in his footsteps. One of the biggest theories I have had since the episode Sole Crusher aired for the first time is that we would see this concept apply to Chloe, Zoey, and Audrey with Chloe taking Zuko`s role, Zoey taking Iroh`s role, and Audrey taking Ozai`s role. I hope we see this in season 5 or maybe even season 6 or season 7. It would a great character arc for both Chloe and Zoey. 9 - Marinette - The biggest problem with her is that she is obsessed with Adrien. Let`s look at how she developed an obsession with Adrien. Before she met Adrien for the first time all she knew about him was that he was a famous model and friends with Chloe. She initially thought that he was going to be a carbon copy of Chloe which led, to her instantly disliking him when she saw him for the first time. Later in the episode he tells her that he never really had friends before and we see him give her an umbrella. From this point she develops a crush on him because he showed her, he was a lot more than just another pretty face. Marinette is only 14 years old, Adrien is probably her first crush, and she has bullied her whole life. It is understandable that she wouldn’t know how to deal with her first crush. It also understandable that she would make mistakes and do things that ultimately are not good for her and for him in the process. I just re-watched season 1 and 2 she does not stalk Adrien as many people claim she does. Marinette also a tendency to be irrational and impulsive at times episodes like antibug and Volphina are good examples of that. This also applies to her intense crush and obsession with Adrien. There are times when her obsession with Adrien has consequences that she regrets the episode cat blanc is a good example of that. Marinette does have flaws, isn’t it good for any protagonist to have flaws? Some protagonists like Alex Russo from Wizards of Waverly Place were actually praised for not being presented as perfect. Marinette does know it was not good for her or for Adrien to obsess over him she just has not admitted it because that’s one of her flaws. She is allowed to have flaws and make mistakes. Stop hating on Marinette. 8 - XY - deserves to be higher up on list. XY seems to have no purpose in the story and also seems to a rude selfish jerk to everyone for no reason. 7 - Mrs. Tsurugi - deserves to be higher on this list she seems to be cold and cruel to everyone for no reason and she also seems to be replacing Nathalie 6 - Felix - is a hated character but he is supposed to be a hated character. He is a villain people including me love to hate. He is an antagonist, The big problem I have with him is that his only real advantage over other antagonists is that he looks like Adrien. I feel like if you take that away from him, he will make much of an impact in the story right now, that might change later. 5 - Chloe Bourgeois - I have always hated her even when she queen bee. Her actions are definitely due to her mother`s treatment of her but, that is not excused to make everyone`s lives miserable. Plus, I feel like she did not know how to be a better person and Marinette and Zoey both tried to help in the queen`s battle and in queen banana but ultimately, she rejected the help she needed which makes hate her even more. I hate seeing people see she was getting a redemption arc during her time as queen bee. She never got a redemption arc at once in the series. In order for her to get redemption arc she would have to desire to help others she only wanted fame and glory. If my theory I talked about during my defense of Zoey Lee came true then maybe I would start hating her less but, it`s just a theory 4 - Audrey Bourgeois - she should be higher up on this list. I have always hated her from the second we see her from the first time in season 2 she seems just been mean and cold and selfish to everyone even her own family just for the sake of it with no real rhyme or reason. She seems to add anything to the story she is just kind of there which makes me hate her more. 3 - Bob Roth - also should be higher on this list he is hated by other characters in the show, and he seems to rude and selfish for no reason at all 2 - Lila - she is a villain we all love to hate. She is hated but she is supposed to be hated so it makes sense she would be high up on this list. I think her being absent during season 4 was the writers setting her up for a bigger role in season 5 and possibly season 6 1- Gabriel - like Lila he is a villain we all love to hate. He and maybe Nathalie is supposed to be the most hated character. So, it makes sense he would be high up on this list. I think he is the second worse parent in the show with Audrey and Mrs. Tsurugi actually being worse parents than him in my opinion. I feel like the main reason he has been defeated is because characters like Nathalie, Lila, Felix, Mrs. Tsurugi are all helping him and if lost all of them he would be easy to defeat.
I love the show Miraculous, but I do hate the characters. These are the characters I do like. Nathalie is number three, because she's not really terrible, she's just sad. And she wants to be there for people, too. Plagg is number two, because he is also kind, and is funny. Cat Noir is number one, because he is really kind.
Maybe we could get Chloe's character development for redemption arc back when her half-sister Zoe and possible future love interest Luka become the biggest highlights of it
The characters I can't stand in Miracolous: 1) Zoe Lee, I hate her not because she is the obvious replacement for Chloe, but because she is a hastily created character, devoid of flaws and a story of her own. 2) Marinette, I don't really hate her, just as you say she is really creepy when she starts stalking Adrien. 3)Felix, I don't know why it never struck me as a character.
I agree Felix is not that good but he is alot of fans and we want to see more from him he is my favorite now and no hate Think about it Felix is clever if he was good all the time maybe he could have been a miraculous holder he could have had tikki, Black's and other kwamis Maybe he could have already took shadow moth down
I like Zoe, but they are right about her charecter. Except for the reason she is useless because she has one use, she is someone that can have the bee miraculous. The writers ruined Chloe with the season 3 finale, so they had to have a new Chloe So she have a use Did anyone think of that?
saying lila's the worst character in miraculous ladybug is an understatement. she's literally the worst character I have seen in any type of media. seriously, name one character worse than Lila from...anything, really. the thing is, the creators could have made her be a manipulative jerkass and still have her charming moments without making it so obvious. That's one of the main reasons why I fucking hate the miracuclass believing lila over marinette saga, it's literal edge and the writers telling us to hate Lila because "only marinette and adrien against the rest of the class" bullshit. That's also why Oni-chan and Revelation are actually good Lila episodes in comparison In oni-chan, we get to see a "bit of her perspective" (which turns out to be bs because of YET ANOTHER edgy ass story line the writers want to add) and also her messing with Kagami (because she's a love rival, duh). This is an apisode in which Lila actually has a weakness, in which Adrien gets convinced that she's a strait up bad person, and would later do something about it. It's also one of the best "liladrien" episodes (as in, we get to see how they really feel about each other, and I like the 'ship' because they both foil each other so well) In revelation, it's radically different, and is like the average poorly-written class-salting Lila episode, but we also get another side of Lila's (other than 'haha marinette i am so powerful and evil i will destroy you') which focuses on her 'conflict' with Gabriel and how she values herself. While "aww! she's so sad because Gabriel cannot let her have a place in this world" does not count as an excuse for doing all this bullying to Marinette, keep in mind that she projects herself a lot while lying (like how she basically exposes her strategy to manipulate and tells Kagami it's Marinette doing so), so if anything I guess she's looking for some sort of control she could have living (so that she could have more power, hence agency, rather than the responsibility it's emphasized for Marinette) This was also one of the episodes of which you could genuinely say she was quite smart, because while it was open to Gabriel that she hates Marinette, information she barely discloses to the public, he'd easily expect Lila to be a foolish attention seeker. But she's taken the opportunity to listen to Gabi speaking to Nathalie in strike back, and connects the dots and even confirms Gabriel actually being hawkmoth. And since Gabriel was an ass towards her, she decided to say "fuck it!" and make hawkmoth believe that it was Marinette she was targeting, while it was, in fact, Gabriel himself. Lila now has all the information about Gabi, and then gets to the mansion herself to collect the butterfly while she's at it. This then makes a new theory arise - Since Lila has info about Gabriel, could she use it to tell Adrien the truth about his father before Marinette does? Could it lead to a corruption arc for Adrien? And will Chrysalis actually stop Nooroo from communicating with her, or does she have to care for her kwami as it's the only way she could recharge, because she's a teenager (and NOT actually a 30-year-old woman with a genetic disorder - seriously, those theorists piss me off!!) ? As for now, her character has gone to absolute shit. We see more screentime of "my dog got stung by a bee :("-esque scenes than her scenes which are actually meanacing and scary. WE see the classmates iqs drop to -300 as we're given no context about Lila being trustworthy (over MARINETTE OF ALL PEOPLE, maybe it's supposed to be telling that 'sometimes people who play the crying puppy will manage to steal your friends from you, no matter how ridiculous they sound'). She's literally the edgy teenager version of Tohru Adachi (in a bad way)
You think maybe Ladybug and Cat Noir will take Kagami to grand master Su-Hun to take care of her and keep her miraculous when they get that one back from Monarch and she chooses to leave her mother after the merger of her and Gabriel's companies and the transmitter rings?
You know what does she give credit to Chloe her character has like the worst day ever worse mom is like not accepting her and then that Dad is not even Brave man I was like come on give Chloe a chance try, and feel bad for Chloe's character
Honestly I find Felix a really interesting character. He is a villain and I get why people hate him that much. I also don't like him but he's actually really well written and he is smart af. He is not stupid unlike Gabriel. About Lila: Lila is one of the most annoying and evil characters I've seen. However she is a well written character and she is really important in the whole plot of mlb. Ofc this doesn't change tha fact that she is a villain
And although so many people say that she's being a bad partner to Cat so it's her flaw, yeah I know she's doing absolute bad to him but at least it can be explained a bit.. What about her other characstic.. Like that doesn't make any sense.
OMG I WAS MENTIONED anyways I probably agree with all of these except Marinette and Chloe , like for marionette her personality doesn’t actually appeal to me to the point I wouldn’t see her in my top ten Favourite characters but although she is a little *strange* she still has a kind heart, and literally risks her life everyday to save some random people she doesn’t know from a childish psychopath (Gabriel), keep in mind, martinette is ladybug, and we see the confidence in ladybug that marionette is missing which is good, because if ladybug didn’t have that, marinette would be in my least Favourite characters. Secondly, and mostly, I do NOT agree with Chloe NO EXPLANATION needed she is HANDS DOWN my second fave character (after chat noir;)) She has ze SPICE, she has ze ATTITUDE! Anyways this video was so funny and fun to watch!!! I enjoyed every second of it and I was smiling SO MUCH when I was mentioned like omg tysm!!! Also, you are like my fave UA-camr!!! Anyways so ya I am a little over the top bc I never got mentioned in a video before but ilysm!!!!💕💕
Honestly i think that lila is the worst character because she is just pure evil. Gabriel had a reason to become a villain but lila doesnt. Although lila is a very well written character her character is not doing it for me.
Marinette's behaviour is not stalking. Stalking is something completely different. It's actually insulting for real stalking victims to call Marinette a stalker. Some of her actions seem a bit strange but that's not stalking and she's just 14 years old. There's a explaination for all her actions which are typical for her age. She has Adrien's schedule since he always has the same one (nearly everyone in that age wants a schedule of his/her crush but that's impossible since nobody has the same schedule every week). And Marinette didn't even know when Adrien had fotoshootings, she didn't know Adrien wanted to Shanghai, she didn't know if he could meet his friends, etc. Is it forbidden to make future presents for your crush? It's okay if she want to make future gifts. It's okay if you (I mean all fans) don't like Marinette but she's not a stalker, creepy or obsessed at all
Yeah I agree to be honest I did do some things she did not all but some when I had a crush at around her age not the calendar thing but I definitely stuttered ❤️💖😅
@@maximilianschussler8126 Only if you haven't read my comments. :D And like I said, thinking she's creepy is an opinion, but she clearly is obsessed as well. Whether she is outright a stalker is debatable, but her actions are very much like what a stalker would do. It's more of a crazy fan type. But I was just saying that to annoy you there ;)
*MY OPINIONS THAT PROBABLY NO ONE CARES ABOUT BUT IM WRITING THIS ANYWAYS* *ZOE* - I agree. She has no flaws and acts pick me sometimes. Although she is nice I do feel like she’s a replacement for Chloe. She’s not really necessary for the plot. I feel like she just makes Chloe look worse than she already did. *MARINETTE* - idk. Just I’m glad she improved from season 1! *XY* - I agree. He’s a forgettable character. *MS. TSURUGI* she’s one of those characters we don’t really know much about. Maybe something happened in her past that caused her to be like this that we don’t know about. Personally for *ME* she’s one of my favorite characters. But putting biasedness aside, yeah she’s mean to people for literally no reason. How she acts towards Kagami sometimes is not okay. I can see why people wouldn’t like her for that. Some say she is replacing Natalie but I find her more interesting than Natalie (sorry guys 🥲) *FELIX* in the older seasons I would’ve said he is a bad character. He did wrong things but he seems to have developed in season 5. But I really don’t know. *CHLOE* I like Chloe but her personality is getting boring (like you said) can we have character development please and not mess it up this time???? Please TOMHAS ASTRUC???????? 🙏🙏🙏he clearly hates Chloe. *AUDREY* she treats Chloe and Zoe like crap. Definitely the worst parent in Miraculous in my opinion. She acts like Chloe and Zoe don’t even exist and only acts like she loves them when she has a benefit in the situation. I agree Chloe idolizes her mom and WANTS to be like her. *ROB ROTH* yup! A rich jerk. He literally framed an innocent band full of 14 year olds. I don’t have anything else to say. *LILA* pick me. She makes me cringe. *GABRIEL* not surprising he’s first.
Lmao I like Marinette I just don’t like how she does shit but doesn’t get consequences but if another character does something that might not even be as bad they would get consequences
Well you might have an "actual" team of heroes rather than the almost disposable short term convenience Marinette was treating them. Ironically they said having the Miraculous in one place was what the problem was - and Marinette's inability to delegate and trust lost her Trixx too whom she'd otherwise have retained. Remember this is the Girl who left the Miracle Box in a cupboard and went to America for a week.
@@90lancaster Ladybug is a perfect leader and the whole team is amazing. Marinette/Ladybug was kind to everyone and did mistakes like every character. It was a good decision to give Trixx to Alya permanently. She didn't even want to and Master Fu permitted it. Hawk Moth was in America too. Every hero takes vacation and Marinette is just 14 years old. Your comment is more than ridiculous
@@maximilianschussler8126 You misunderstand - I am criticising her for taking Trixx away just in time for him to be captured by Felix & handed over to Gabriel - if she'd not been bickering with Alya - then she'd at least not lost that one too..
@@90lancaster Oh, okay. But she only took it away because Shadow Moth knew that Alya was still active. It was for her own safety. It was a bad coincidence but Ladybug couldn't have known that Félix would steal all Miraculous from her. It's not her fault
@@maximilianschussler8126 Alya had her Miraculous after Hawkmoth Doorstepped her - she just took the role of Rena Furtive - I guess that is the indiscretion - that Shadowmoth (somehow) saw her - despite not being anywhere near her - possibly via the sentimonster - I don't think Froggy (Risk) saw her though.. There is also the question that taking her Miraculous away means she's left with no means to defend herself and just look how many times Luka's family was targeted in Season 4 - it is almost like the show is punishing him for breaking up with Marinette at times it's so often.
Ok Felix is a good character not a good person but written good he is a villan to and anti hero he claps 4 akumatized people at the drop of a hat he protects kagami and is smarter then everyone in Paris combined he’s a 4D Chess player that didn’t want to get thanous snapped out of existence fair , also cat noir also tried to kiss lady bug with out her consent in the episode prime queen and he’s a hero and also Felix joins the hero teem
Hey, @CatblancxPrincessJustice I have a question about the passion episode. so I watched it now and I noticed that even if Adrien took off his ring Plagg was still floating in the air, how is that possible? When Marinette took off her earrings the first time she used them as ladybug in season 1 Tikki was no longer visibly floating in the air like the qwamis do when the holder seems to be wearing the miraculous. Can you please explain?
What about Adrien who's just a creeper just oozing with nice guy vibes and begging from affection? Especially after in "Cat Blanc" when he cheated his way to being in a relationship with Marinette when he figured out her secret identity and didn't second thought about the other fangirls whose hearts were probably broken as long as he got what he wanted and when that didn't work when Gabriel and Nathalie got involved it cost him everything and went completely crazy because of the fact that he had to leave with that loss for weeks especially after he attacked an alternate reality version of Marinette that was retrieved by Bunnix before she could head back to her friends and tried to steal her miraculous from her to fix what he had done before he was deakumatized by her and restored the timeline
Yeah, I agree that Chat can be a creep, but you couldn’t have chosen a more worst example. What Adrien did in Chat Blanc was nowhere near his fault. Yes, he asked Marinette out, but I don’t think he was using her, as he was asking her out as Marinette, not as Ladybug. Also, why would he care about a bunch fangirls that don’t even care about him, when he could get the girl he actually likes? If anything, Chat Blanc was all Gabriel’s doing.
@@toastysweaters5692 okay well what about Chloe who's been there for him in childhood when his dad wouldn't let him out of the house or go to any actual public schools and make other friends? Yes I know she's not perfect and honestly I can understand that reason why that is, but at least she was always there for when no one else was because his dad wouldn't let him out to keep him sane while his old man's just slowly deteriorated because of his comatose terminally ill wife. I mean did that mean nothing to Adrien to stop and at least think about how it probably effected her? And what about Kagami before he and her even started to date at all? I mean this timeline before that ever happened imagine how betrayed she must've felt when she find out on the news. And what about Lila who probably felt betrayed as well? I mean she wanted to make him her's and yet he choose to be what someone who wanted to ruin, humiliate, and expose her at first and became at war with, don't get me wrong I don't like what she does either neither the same with Chloe for that matter but at least we can understand why they do the terrible things they do in their lives and we might learn more so about Lila when she starts teaming up with Felix and ends her alliance with Gabriel and those two become the next bad bads of the show. Just imagine how devastated they all were, man
@@hunterrousseau3770 Again, Adrien is in the wrong a times, but you have yet again pulled out the worst examples. CHLOE was the one to break off their friendship, not Adrien, and I get it, I don’t like the direction Chloe is heading in, but their friendship ending was not Adrien’s fault. I agree, that Ladybug went too far with humiliating Lila, but Adrien is in no obligation to date Lila, since she has proved to go too far, example being trying to get one of his friends expelled. The only example you pulled that makes sense, is with Kagami, since Adrien did treat her horribly.
@@toastysweaters5692 okay. I know Chloe broke things off with Adrien but at least he had someone there for him when no one else was because his dad wouldn't let him out of the house much, like did that mean nothing to him? Also, even after Marinette was at her worst at times he don't seem to mind when she humiliated her in front of him like that okay maybe he did but yet he still choose to stand by her side despite when she committed acts like that when she goes out of her way to abuse her power as Ladybug for her own purposes, you can't say things like that she did are about pretty much as selfish as anyone else in the world would, right?
@@hunterrousseau3770 Since was I defending Ladybug/Mari? I never even mentioned her. I agree that Ladybug can be bad at times, but again, it’s Adrien’s choice who wants to hang out with. Also, we barely see Chloe and Adrien hang out at all? I’m pretty sure they had an arranged friendship going on. I like Chloe, but Adrien was in the right for letting her go, since she was acting too irrational.
Do you understand what does " badly written" mean? I mean most of these characters are badly written but when you say it I don't think you understand its meaning.
@@maximilianschussler8126 Well Good writing has rules and a character should be written in a way that fits the character and its role so it can be called well written. There are characters that are Well written and badly written it is from a writing perspective However there is no character that is objectively bad .
@@rawdasalmataman7908 I know what you mean and I agree with you. Every character makes mistakes and does bad actions. But I don't think that can be a reason to call a character badly written. All characters can improve and evolve, exactly like every person
@@maximilianschussler8126 I think you don't get it. Zoe for example is badly written because she is analyse with no flaws. Marinette is a bad character because she is not interesting she doesn't develop even she is developing alittle in season 5 it won't save her. She is a marysue because she has forced writing and A marysue is not just a flawless character but character with forced writing.
Imagine if Amelie is just as bad as her own son right now since she only visited Gabriel to get the rings back after he refused and never returned any of her calls and not to just visit him and Adrien
Being honest, I think that Felix and Lila will team up, and they will fight against Ladybug and Cat Noir because Lila will get the Butterfly miraculous, and Felix already has the peacock miraculous. And I think that after Season 5 they will be the main villains.
Listen, having an immature crush onto someone doesn't give them the right to stalk them, come up with plans to be with them, breaking and entering (Chat Blanc), etc. I have tons of crushed back in my youth and I was never like this.
I think it would be strange if Adrien didn't know Marinette but he does and also Subrina came straight into Marinette's bedroom without Marinette wanting her too
In Chat Blanc all she wanted to do was give Adrien a gift. She doesn't even stalk Adrien she doesn't go to his room at night and watch him sleep🙄. Yea she's knows his schedule but no one knows how she knows. so just like stop assuming things. She has plans to be with him because like she's just imagining it like some people do with their own crushes.(So Stop Hating On Marinette)
Hey @CatblancXPrincess Justice I think you know that there is another spoiler picture From season 5 of Miraculous with a carbon copy of LadyBug and Marinette not having the earrings on her. Please go check it out when you have the time and I hope you can make another analysis video on it. I would love to know your thoughts on this new spoiler picture from Mundo Gloob.
(SPOLIERS!!!). I agree with having a love hate relationship towards Mari because yes she is bad and she has done some absolutely insane stuff to adrien like stalking his calendar etc.. BUTTT in s4 she actually starts to get a grip on everything and then in s5 she actually starts to focus more on herself and getting the miraculous back instead of constantly crushing/obsessing over adrien all the time. I don’t hate Mari but until she’s gets better I’m not exactly gonna hate her but I’m not gonna LOVEEEE her. 🤷♀️
WOW!? like ADRIEN is perfect. Yeah ADRIEN is obviously not a problem. Well he is kind to everyone and handdsoome annndd cUutEe like how Marinette describe him. Okeh ☺☺ like i said yeah he is not one of the worst character, unlike Marinette(just kidding😅😅).
Hi @CatblancxPrincessJustice. I want to let you know that we have a new video from miraculous. A rise of the Sphinx game video. So I was wondering if you could please do an analysis or something on this in your next video please? Because I think all of your followers would like to know about what you think about this new game. Like what are your thoughts? Thank you !
Here's the thing I don't like that girl marinate it's like the least favorite character of mine she's a stalker she's a predator and she's like has anxiety she's just like those girls. who are freaking like a fan of every boys like oh my goodness you got to stop it and the same time she's not a nice person she's a mean person we have seen her making weird faces to girls in anger and then started saying mean things while no one's seeing like this is not a hero this is a villain
ewww not you supporting someone who abuses his child and other kids. and is obsessed over making teenagers evil to get his dead wife in the basement alive. Also supporting a guy who sexual assaulted someone. SMHHH
This video is kinda rude, I mean you can't just make mean theories on these characters...most of them a barley know. Unfortunately I unsubscribed after this video.
Hi! So I know that Many of the miraculous characters are terrible but I have a solution that might help, what if I was the character for Miraculous ladybug and I have a voice actor to play me it's Nikki Valadez 😊😉☺
I just hope Nathalie can snap him out of it when she angrily reveals her former romantic feelings for him and make him rethink his life over and be a better father to Adrien for him it be a nice change for Gabriel to be more afraid of Nathalie than she was of him friend zoning her she be like the boss lady of the Agreste family if she became his step-wife and Adrien's stepmother
I don't hate Marinete, I just get a little frustrated with some of her actions and the other characters too, since her friends and family could help, like, some of the things she does are kind of wrong but sometimes it's okay to pass, but when none of the characters disapprove of what she does it's a little hard to not feel frustrated. Marinete doesn't have to be perfect but she could improve some things with time in the right way, like control her anxiety and obsession with Adrien so they can interact in the right way.
Yeah I agree ✋ 💯 👍
I think in season 5 Marinette will change for the better.
Yes I agree if I hated her I wouldn't watch
@Cacau Massipan Oficial I agree with you. Some of Marinette's actions are not okay but it's just what all characters do. Marinette is definitely not obsessed. What do you mean by "her friends and family could help her"?
@@maximilianschussler8126 I mean in the sense of pointing out something that is wrong or saying when something doesn't feel right, every time she creates a crazy plan no character questions and does everything she wants even in wrong or dangerous situations, like when she wanted to break into Adrien's house and the fireman helped her instead of saying no since it looked dangerous, or when Alya pushed Marinete into the elevator so she could go with Adrien when her ex boyfriend, Adrien's ex and one more person were there and it would be a very embarrassing situation, but Alya didn't think about it and did what Marinete usually does in her plans, or when Marinete caused explosions at the beginning of the fourth season and her parents believed it was a school project because she told them so, but she did it many times and even made the house shake and knocked everything down, and still they didn't question anything. I just wish that Marinete's friends and her parents give a better solution when she has some idea that is too complicated or even dangerous, even if Marinete had a hard time accepting it, it would at least show that she thinks about it and that her friends and family care for what happens to her if she tries to do what she wants.
I agree, Felix is a bad character, but I wouldn't call him evil. I think there is some good in him but he is too proud to show it. I really hope that we will see some character development in season 5. I know it sounds weird but he is actually my favorite right now because he has so much potential😂
No felix is not a bad character
It is not about if he is evil or not but he is an interesting character compared to other miraculous ladybug characters.
@@rawdasalmataman7908 I totally agree with u
Félix is a pretty nice and interesting character. I don't think we shall call him a bad character. The question is if he's really evil. I'm curious what he wants with the Peacock Miraculous. Félix has definitely much potential
@@maximilianschussler8126 Okay felix is not a nice person but he is an interesting character.
@@rawdasalmataman7908 True. But he could be a good character or team up with Ladybug in the future
To be honest I kind of like Felix in the sense of character and purpose, but not as a super villain, I would like him to continue as an antihero, someone who does bad things because they have a goal to fulfill without caring about others because it's very important to them. I don't judge who is angry for what Félix did, but he always has an impact when he arrives and that's his purpose.
Yeah I agree ✋ 💯 👍
Yeah, I like Felix too. 100% agree
He's one of my favourite characters
We have to make the difference between a bad person and a bad character: XY is both, just a forgetable jerk, Zoe is a bad character, she is boring and has no flaws, Felix is a bad person, but a good character, he's mysterious selfish and smart.
I don’t understand how you can judge zoe when she only had 3 episodes where she had a major role.
@@boredasf4856 Felix had only 3 episodes as well
Ty lol
Omgg, someone finally said that
Zoe is a a joke made at Chloe's expense.
I really hope Marinette admits that her obsession for Adrien was wrong I'm actually waiting for an episode where that happens
Yeah me too ✋ 😄 😎
She won't since she doesn't have an obsession
@@maximilianschussler8126 yes she does. Have you been watching miraculous ladybug?
@@questionable42 No, she doesn't. That's what I could ask you. Marinette is not obsessed with Adrien
@@maximilianschussler8126 Bro have you been paying attention to her room? Look at ALL the pictures she has of him in her room. She knows where he is every second and she made so many presents for his future birthdays. She also stalks him and knows his schedule which is kinda creepy
Not to mention that Gabriel had the opportunity to change the timeline if he listened to Natalie, saving her, Emilie, and multiple others if he gave his younger self the flash drive. BUT INSTEAD HE CONTINUES TO FIGHT WITH TWO 14 YEAR OLDS FOR SOME REASON AND GETS SURPRISED WHEN NATALIE IS PISSED OFF.
There's a difference between a bad person and a bad character. Felix is absolutely a bad person, but I'd argue that he's actually a very good character. He's interesting, which is more than I can say about 90% of the main cast.
It's a similar thing with Lila. I hate her guts, but that's part of what makes her great. She makes a fantastic villain, someone who is intelligent (relatively speaking anyway) and threatening and adds a lot to the plot. I despise her, but the show would be a lot less interesting without her in it.
(I will say though, unlike Lila I do actually like Felix. Like I said before, he's interesting. And, despite his frankly appalling behavior, he's not _completely_ evil. He has lots of empathy for sentimonsters. _All_ sentimonsters, not just the human-looking ones. Not even Adrien can make that claim. And in "Emotion" Felix seems to legitimately sympathize with Marinette when she's being judged by the people at the diamond dance. He also gets really upset when he thinks that he accidentally made Marinette disappear. So yeah, he's definitely not a good person, but he does have a couple sparks of decency in there. That's more than Lila can say.)
I actually like Felix's character. He's so interesting and dynamic, and had a lot of potential. Also(spoiler alert)
He does get a redemption arc and becomes a hero. I think the way his father treated him was why he was so cold to the other characters
I think that a lot of people have confused a bad character with a bad person. According to professionals, a bad character is one without any traits that move the viewer or to whom we can’t relate. Another thing that constitutes a bad character is if their existence in itself creates plot holes.
Let’s take Zoe, for example. I personally don’t hate her, in fact, I think that she created a rare sister-to -sister relationship within the show that we haven’t seen before. Plus, she’s relatable. However, her character lacks spice and feels too spontaneous, and her backstory lacks depth and creates plot holes. I won’t say that Thomas has a thing against Chloe, because that’s just ridiculous, and utterly so, but I will say that it was clear to me from the get-go that the writers were going for a different execution, one that works in theory, but really fails in practice. We had no idea of her existence until season 4.
As for Felix, he’s far from a bad character, he pushes the plot forward and challenges both the protagonist and the antagonist. That’s a **good** character, but yes, an antagonistic one.
Marinette, on the other hand, has some weird habits before her improvement in season 4 and honestly, it’s because she was written by middle aged men. However, that doesn’t mean she’s a bad character, especially because those actions are written as comedy, and thus should not to be taken at face value. As I stated before, she is a dynamic character, not a static one. She has different sides to her, she can do cutesy things and more serious ones as well. She has an incredible sense of justice which she uses as Ladybug. She’s incredibly relatable which is why outside of the hate side of the fandom, there are people who love and appreciate her.
Oh also XY is a boring and annoying character, a useless one (XY fans, I stand in peace ☮) jk no one likes him lmao
@@breyerhorsestudios2964 rip XY stands
I strongly suspect the reason Chloe and Zoe and Lila's plots don't make much sense if because they have been exchanged - Zoe got Chloe's redemption arc & Chloe got Lila's plots in Season 4.
That is why certain things make more sense if you swap them back - like it would make more sense for Lila to be butting heads with Bob Roth than Chloe - they had to change Andre's reaction to things to allow Bob to even be a jerk to Chloe, Also Lila is a wannabe so even Queen Banana would make more sense with Lila wanting to be the movie star as that one's plot - if Lila was doing what Zoe was doing that would have worked too - and keep Chloe as a wrong'en.
But yeah I suspect some things got shifted between characters in season 4.
As for Marinette I may have some issue with her but they have nothing to do with her Stalkerish tendencies (other than the Shanghai Special as that was super bad) but for her endangering other people for her own convenience over and over - and how horrible she is to Cat Noir - we kinda found out that she knows him hardly at all much as with Adrien and when when had that Reveal in Ephemeral it felt un-earned and irrational.
Marinette needs to act like a better person, be a friend to Adrien and learn about Cat Noir as a person too - then she can grow into a proper relationship - she doesn't have that though. for me that doesn't work, and I kinda don't like how she treats her classmates either.
Marinette can be selfish and it makes he look like a bad leader - heck she was even a jerk to Alya too. & shes never once noticed Nino is struggling as a hero either.
Unfortunately rather than Fix Marinette's behaviour - they decided to make Adrien act as poorly as she did and that is disasterous unless they own up to it prior to a reveal and admit that they both have acted poorly.
The problem is though when your protagonists act poorly doesn't it just EXCUSE Chloe acting bad and also make you ask tricky questions like "Maybe Kagami would be a better team leader".
Mari hasn't stalked Adrien at all in season 4.
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Oh how wrong you are.. good sir (I’m not saying you’re male) have you seen Mr. Pigeon 75?? cuz like, if that’s not stalking, I don’t know what it is.
There’s also the one with Marinette being a butler
That's wrong
I mean yeah but it doesn’t change what she did in the past
When Gabriel chose revenge and miraculous instead of saving Emily
Yeah that was really wrong of Gabriel 😒
Yea Gabriel has always been horrible but this just made it 100x worse
Me...he'll change...
That happens...
Also me...NO REsPECt
Yeah that makes me so 😡😡😡
I always thought gabriel was just in love with emile and would do anything for her like most people would for there wife but when he chose the miraculous over emile in season five it really hit hard and basicly made it look like his motivation is not emile anymore
I always blame Thomas instead of Chloe when it comes to her character developement!
but its still her… shes a fictinal charcter
Mmmhm...we share brains...lol
To me I don't hate Lila because she's funny & makes me laugh sometimes. She's pretty much an SMG4 character who makes me laugh. The first time she appeared I hated her for how she was, but after I started to like her for being funny. I feel like this girl has a sad story & lies to hide it & this theory could be true. I feel bad for Lila, but I like her & she's funny.
Same
i'm glad Marinette was here, but after watching Glaciator 2 she's worse than Chloe
Wait your telling me someone that saves lives everyday is worse than someone who turns people evil???
Also Marinette was cute in that episode
better listen her again and compare it to Chloe
You literally make no sense 😂
That makes no sense you probably just hate Marinette for no reason
Marinette is the terrible because she made luka heartbroken and used him when she was sad but she never loved him truly I hate the person who made her
Hi! Do you think Marinette think will get akumatized in season 5?
Ooh yes I think Marinette will be akumatized in season 5 😉😏
YES - I'll tell you why - look at the conversation she has in ephemeral it's totally foreshadowing it.
Yes ❤️💖
Yas I feel better sharing my opinion on this
no
Well , actually, i agree with you in all of them , but mari’s one not so much , i mean ofc its so wrong to stalk your crush like how mari do , but she don’t deserve to be a bad character just for this , and she saves paris with chat everyday , we can look at the good side that she changed , that’s my opinion idk , and finally, love your vids! Keep going ❤️
Yeah we support you 😊😉
Yes that's true without her millions probably would have died 👍
Yesssssss tyyy
@@maddoxledgerwood8955 your welcome 😊☺
@Qamar 🤓 You're right and I agree with nearly everything you say. But Marinette is not a stalker. She has never stalked Adrien or anyone else
I love the show Miraculous, but I hate a lot of the characters. But before I get really started, I think the show can have one improvement. Making the characters so gullible! Here's a list of people I think are awful.
Sabrina is number nine. She isn't exactly evil like Lila and Chloe, but her actions in episode 14, season five are very, very uncalled for.
Gabriel is number eight, because he's a terrible parent.
Miss Bustier is number seven, because just like Alya, she's taking Chloe and Lila's side.
Alya is number six, because she's always taking Lila's side. I mean, I get it, everyone thought Lila was a nice girl, but that doesn't mean she has to blame Marinette.
Chloe is number five, because her actions were cruel. Even though I hate Marinette, no one especially Marinette deserves to feel the way she did in eighth grade in the flashback of season five episode 14.
Ladybug is number four, because she's a terrible partner! She is so rude to Cat Noir, and she doesn't seem to feel bad. She also lied to him, too.
Lila is number three, because she lies and knows that she's hurting people's feelings.
Tikki is number two, because she does say rude stuff to Marinette and she doesn't seem to help Marinette when she needs it.
Marinette is definitely number one, because her actions are awful!! I mean, I get it, everyone has a crush, but she has a huge obsession over Adrien. I mean knowing his schedule for the next 15 years?! Come on! I'm not trying to be rude, I don't even know why Master Fu chose Marinette.
Marinette is the worst bcs she's meant to be the role model of the show. She's meant to be relatable. But the writers made her whole character revolves around a boy for 4 seasons, where from S1-3 she has no development whatsoever, and even got worse in S3
Zoe's whole existence is really just to replace Chloe and for someone new to be Queen Bee. Honestly, with Alya's identity as Rena Rouge being uncovered, it would be much reasonable if Alya was the next Queen Bee instead, while also being Rena when the situation requires
The thing about Lila is the she's meant to be the bad guy, and aside from the fact thay everyone lost their brain cells whenever she appears, she's doing a good job. Problem is that she only appears bcs the plot demand so, so she's literally just another plot device and not a character
People who hate Felix were just pissed that he betrayed Ladybug, and also for his debut episode, which i also agree thats the worst (then again, S3 is terrible in every way). He's an interesting character, especially after S4. But like Lila, he's a plot device and not a character
I don’t think Marinette and Zoe are the worst! But I agree about Gabriel…he’s the real monster of the show!
That's his point... but he is still bad tho. He is the worst villain I see.
I actually love Chloe and Felix. They don't make my hatred list. Zoe is definitely my least favorite character of all time
Same.
Oh. How typical. There're many "fans" who think Marinette is the worst character. Nobody needs to like Marinette but if you think she's creepy, a stalker or something like that, you have zero idea and you can't be a true Miraculous fan
wdym
She is a stalker though. She isn't causing Adrien any harm so it's excusable but people are allowed to think she's creepy. :)
I can't be a "true miraculous fan" because of stating how she is? Anyways I don't care, miraculous is a very boring show for me. I'm only watching it to see the reveal.
@@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm3093 She's not a stalker or creepy at all. Some of actions seem a bit strange but that's not stalking. People can think whatever they want but if they write it in the comments, they have to expect that fans like I'll tell them the truth
@@tobiolusanya3518 I don't know what you mean
I don't hate Marinette, I guess she must stop knowing Adrien's plans by heart and I think Lila is the worse character in miraculous ladybug then in the second place gabriel. With gabriel, every time I see him in his lair I don't oh on what are we going to do instead I think can't wait to see him again but, when it comes to Felix and Lila I feel like something not good is going to happen.
The thing with Mari is she does so many wrong things yet she doesn't have any consequences.
Like she stole people's phones for 3 times, so obsessed with Adrian that she doesn't even let him be alone with a girl, she accused her friends of being a thief, when it comes to Adrian she just forgets about her friends like "party crasher" episode, she disguise herself and lie her way up to Adrian's house, she's too fast to judge people, she lies to her parents to go see Adrian, she doesn't ask for permissions when she handed those cakes and cookies to Zoe I mean her parents ofc would've said yes but I totally think she should've asked, she doesn't care about people's boundaries like the time in "guiltrip" when she told everyone about Juleka when she clearly didn't want people to know
AnD go on..
Her character is really really a very bad written idea, she's just got too many things she should've been pushined for yet she's here being the main character of the show.
Wdym she doesn't let" Adrien be alone with a girl" have you even watched heart hunter she literally left so kagami and Adrien could be together. In "Party Crasher" she just wanted to see what the boys were up too since all of them were giving really lame excuses. Accusing her friends of being a thief like anyone could have taken it everyone was suspicious like why would Adrien take it he's rich. She told everyone about Juleka because like she needed people to cheer her up she was sad.
She's not to fast to judge people like if that would have happened to me I would have acted like that too. And like she doesn't really lie to her parents. SHE was doing a good thing for Zoe she just came in town and everything that happened she felt bad and decided to give her something. Like stop hating on Marinette
@@adrinette_stan see I get that you care about her character but really if you can explain something doesn't mean it's true.
In heart hunter she left yes but it didn't last long as ladybug she couldn't bear to let them be, so again she lied to Kagami and put her in danger.
Like I don't get it didn't Master fu told her secret identities must be protected at all costs? And that it'll put people's lives in danger?
Her friend needed help but she just made another lame excuse and left them all alone, that's not curiosity its noisiness.
Well..
Every one in that school is super rich, it's a super fancy school.
She could've just said " it's not me, I didn't do that you can check my bag and see if it's there, plus some one else might have mistakenly put it in their bag, shouldn't we let all students search for it as well?"
See..
You're not allowed to accuse people at any cost and just get away with it
@@adrinette_stan and I'm really sorry if it sounded like I was spread hatred on her.
It's my fault for not being careful enough not to choose the right words for me to say my opinion on her.
I just wanted to address her wrong doings, things that were rude and cruel of her.
Being rude, cruel and some sort of lying doesn't mean you're a bad person nor deserve to be hated.
That just mean like any other human being you did wrong ~
Sincerely sorry again if I sounded rude to you~
10? I can only think of a few characters that are truly worth hating.
*Chloé is basically a spoiled disaster maker.
*Gabriel is a terrible selfish father & an abusive power-hungry monster. What will it take to snap him out of it!? Emily finally waking up & being terrified of the monster he has become!? (And I wouldn't be surprised if he sacrifices Natalie to bring Emily back).
*Sabrina is such a clingy brown-nose that I would feel sorry for her, if she noticed that Chloé is just gaslighting her as an assistant than a friend.
*The mayor is a total doormat, and doesn't even punish Chloé enough to shape her up.
*If you thought Chloé was bad, she gets her attitude & manners from her mother.
*And let's not forget that one idiot who almost Marinette's mom sent to jail over a story he didn't believe.
Because that's what they're point. Except Gabriel. They try to make him sypathethic. He is not. Also he is a terrible villain.
1. I don't need Zoe to hate Chloe
2. Marinette is my favorite character, and I can relate her a lot, especially in season 4.
I can relate to both Marinette and Zoe, I don't think Zoe is pick me.
Yeah I think Marinette is a great character and is not a stalker because to be a stalker you have to follow some one frequently and send them wired messages and just be a nutcase plus online you can find any celebrity's calendar of what they are doing 💖❤️💖❤️
@@bloomeraklyon5842 You legit just summed up what she did. Great job there.
@@Anwor1 Not true because I like this show💖
Have you ever been stalked if the answer is No then shut up
if the Answer is yes Then I legit feel sorry for you 👍
@@tabathabuhler9519 Ok how does this have anything to do with miraculous??
Tbh in my opinion I think that lila is too over hated . Like I get it she lies a lot, shes mean, and might be annoying to some people, but I do not see why she gets that much hate. tbh she is one of my favorite characters because she affects the plot maybe not in season 4 but she did in other seasons
I don’t hate Lila cause she’s mean or rude I actually like that’s she kindve another thing to look forward with all the mystery surrounding her but I also agree with the one comment talking about her disappearance in like s3. She could’ve had build up and a great arc but they just kindve threw her character in a corner till like the end of s4. Hope she gets better in the future:/
Okay.
I don't think Lila is specifically badly written but she did have potential and she kinda interesting but they just make her writing forced .
Her lies don't make sense but they still believe her.
I believe zoe is the worst character because she is useless to the plot and she has no personality.
Master fu is also a very bad character.
Marinette is one of thd worst protagonists I had ever seen
She is getting some development but that didn't change that she has such forced writing.
Gabriel is supposed to be a sympathic villan but he is not.
He is a horrible person and a bad character.
Those are the worst characters for me.
I don't mean Lila ( she is not that good but she is not one of the worst characters).
I love both you and your sister ♡♡! Yall are both amazing 👏 💗
hi CatblancX princess justice can you please do a theory video on the miraculous London special which is coming soon? I think I saw a teaser video on youtube. I think all of your fans would love an amazing theory video on what you think about miraculous london special I am so excited to see what happens there in miraculous ladybug london special! 😃🥰
Thomas Astruc and miraculous ladybug writers are Incompetent & Out of Touch
If you want bad writing I will show you bad writing try watching the last seasons of winx 💖 miraculous looks like a masterpiece compared
@secret superstar/s If the producers and writers are that incompetent and if it's such a bad written show, don't watch it. No one forces you. People like you can only complain. You should be happy that this wonderful show even exists
@@bloomeraklyon5842 that's like compering GARBAGE to diarrhea
@@maximilianschussler8126 also this show feels like a CW now it's that BAD
@@maximilianschussler8126 they are just saying their opinion that the producers and writers are trash. Do yk what a wonderful show is, well its a show with a good plot, nicely written characters, no racism, and a great plot, and if an animation nice animation. You can not tell me that is miraculous
I feel like Nino should have been there he was soo good in season 1 very friendly funny calm and outgoing through season 2 then at the end of season 3 the writers completely ruined his character to a point where I wasn't much interest in him and then in season 4 the way writers portrayed Nino was bad they made him look dumb and stupid he was one of the reasons of Gabriel knowing who rena rouge was and completely obsessed with alya to a point where he was jealous of chat noir and git akumatized for it what a waste of time and to a point where ruined everything in the season. Hopefully I'm able to watch season 5 to know more about the series.
In defense of miraculous ladybug characters
10 - Zoe Lee - The main problem with her is people are saying she was written just to replace Chloe, she is a pick me, and that she is bland with no personality. Zoe was not added to replace Chloe as the temporary holder of the bee miraculous and she is not a pick me. Zoe`s character does not revolve around attention. Being a pick, me means you desperately seek attention from other character. In the episode Sole Crusher, the first thing we see Zoey do is form a friendship with Marinette when they form that friendship, we see that Zoey is caring, sweet, and forgiving. This shows that Zoey does have a personality and is not bland.
After seeing Zoe create a friendship with Marinette. We see Zoe meet her mother (probably from the first time in years) and we see Audrey Bourgeois treat her horribly. Then we see Chloe demanding everything Zoe should say and do and Zoe gives into it at school. Honestly, I don`t think anyone can blame Zoe for giving in she had never been to Paris before, the only family she has is the Bourgeois family, Chloe can be intimating, and unlike in school Zoe does have anyone to stand up for her. By the end of episode, we see Zoe realize she does not Chloe accepting her, and she moves this proves that she is not a pick me.
The other big complaint about Zoe is that she is just added to replace Chloe as the temporary holder of the bee miraculous. This is not a fair comment because Zoey might have been intended to help Chloe realize that is not good for her to act like Audrey Bourgeois. When you abuse a child there is only set in stone way for the child to behave. It has been heavily hinted that Audrey verbally and emotionally abused Chloe her whole life and this is why Chloe behaves the way she does.
Zoey might have been brought in to help Chloe realize that acting Audrey just makes you feel even more alone than ever. A good example of this concept is the 3rd season of the TV show Avatar the Last Airbender. During the 3rd season of that show the character Zuko made a huge shift from being an antagonist into being a protagonist. Zuko made this shift because his uncle Iroh influenced him and ultimately helped him realize the kind of person his father fire lord Ozai truly is and the consequences of following in his footsteps.
One of the biggest theories I have had since the episode Sole Crusher aired for the first time is that we would see this concept apply to Chloe, Zoey, and Audrey with Chloe taking Zuko`s role, Zoey taking Iroh`s role, and Audrey taking Ozai`s role. I hope we see this in season 5 or maybe even season 6 or season 7. It would a great character arc for both Chloe and Zoey.
9 - Marinette - The biggest problem with her is that she is obsessed with Adrien. Let`s look at how she developed an obsession with Adrien. Before she met Adrien for the first time all she knew about him was that he was a famous model and friends with Chloe. She initially thought that he was going to be a carbon copy of Chloe which led, to her instantly disliking him when she saw him for the first time. Later in the episode he tells her that he never really had friends before and we see him give her an umbrella. From this point she develops a crush on him because he showed her, he was a lot more than just another pretty face.
Marinette is only 14 years old, Adrien is probably her first crush, and she has bullied her whole life. It is understandable that she wouldn’t know how to deal with her first crush. It also understandable that she would make mistakes and do things that ultimately are not good for her and for him in the process.
I just re-watched season 1 and 2 she does not stalk Adrien as many people claim she does. Marinette also a tendency to be irrational and impulsive at times episodes like antibug and Volphina are good examples of that. This also applies to her intense crush and obsession with Adrien. There are times when her obsession with Adrien has consequences that she regrets the episode cat blanc is a good example of that.
Marinette does have flaws, isn’t it good for any protagonist to have flaws? Some protagonists like Alex Russo from Wizards of Waverly Place were actually praised for not being presented as perfect. Marinette does know it was not good for her or for Adrien to obsess over him she just has not admitted it because that’s one of her flaws. She is allowed to have flaws and make mistakes. Stop hating on Marinette.
8 - XY - deserves to be higher up on list. XY seems to have no purpose in the story and also seems to a rude selfish jerk to everyone for no reason.
7 - Mrs. Tsurugi - deserves to be higher on this list she seems to be cold and cruel to everyone for no reason and she also seems to be replacing Nathalie
6 - Felix - is a hated character but he is supposed to be a hated character. He is a villain people including me love to hate. He is an antagonist, The big problem I have with him is that his only real advantage over other antagonists is that he looks like Adrien. I feel like if you take that away from him, he will make much of an impact in the story right now, that might change later.
5 - Chloe Bourgeois - I have always hated her even when she queen bee. Her actions are definitely due to her mother`s treatment of her but, that is not excused to make everyone`s lives miserable. Plus, I feel like she did not know how to be a better person and Marinette and Zoey both tried to help in the queen`s battle and in queen banana but ultimately, she rejected the help she needed which makes hate her even more. I hate seeing people see she was getting a redemption arc during her time as queen bee. She never got a redemption arc at once in the series. In order for her to get redemption arc she would have to desire to help others she only wanted fame and glory.
If my theory I talked about during my defense of Zoey Lee came true then maybe I would start hating her less but, it`s just a theory
4 - Audrey Bourgeois - she should be higher up on this list. I have always hated her from the second we see her from the first time in season 2 she seems just been mean and cold and selfish to everyone even her own family just for the sake of it with no real rhyme or reason. She seems to add anything to the story she is just kind of there which makes me hate her more.
3 - Bob Roth - also should be higher on this list he is hated by other characters in the show, and he seems to rude and selfish for no reason at all
2 - Lila - she is a villain we all love to hate. She is hated but she is supposed to be hated so it makes sense she would be high up on this list. I think her being absent during season 4 was the writers setting her up for a bigger role in season 5 and possibly season 6
1- Gabriel - like Lila he is a villain we all love to hate. He and maybe Nathalie is supposed to be the most hated character. So, it makes sense he would be high up on this list. I think he is the second worse parent in the show with Audrey and Mrs. Tsurugi actually being worse parents than him in my opinion. I feel like the main reason he has been defeated is because characters like Nathalie, Lila, Felix, Mrs. Tsurugi are all helping him and if lost all of them he would be easy to defeat.
😱 how do u have time to write all that?!
If any of these Characters would be not there it will not be intresting because every of them has a rule in them to keep .
xy
I love the show Miraculous, but I do hate the characters. These are the characters I do like.
Nathalie is number three, because she's not really terrible, she's just sad. And she wants to be there for people, too.
Plagg is number two, because he is also kind, and is funny.
Cat Noir is number one, because he is really kind.
I think Marinette is different. She’s a bit like me so I don’t hate her. I like seeing myself in someone else
Maybe we could get Chloe's character development for redemption arc back when her half-sister Zoe and possible future love interest Luka become the biggest highlights of it
The characters I can't stand in Miracolous:
1) Zoe Lee, I hate her not because she is the obvious replacement for Chloe, but because she is a hastily created character, devoid of flaws and a story of her own.
2) Marinette, I don't really hate her, just as you say she is really creepy when she starts stalking Adrien.
3)Felix, I don't know why it never struck me as a character.
Amazing Video!! SOMETHING NEW.😇❤
I agree Felix is not that good but he is alot of fans and we want to see more from him he is my favorite now and no hate
Think about it Felix is clever if he was good all the time maybe he could have been a miraculous holder he could have had tikki, Black's and other kwamis
Maybe he could have already took shadow moth down
I like Zoe, but they are right about her charecter.
Except for the reason she is useless because she has one use, she is someone that can have the bee miraculous.
The writers ruined Chloe with the season 3 finale, so they had to have a new Chloe
So she have a use
Did anyone think of that?
saying lila's the worst character in miraculous ladybug is an understatement. she's literally the worst character I have seen in any type of media. seriously, name one character worse than Lila from...anything, really.
the thing is, the creators could have made her be a manipulative jerkass and still have her charming moments without making it so obvious. That's one of the main reasons why I fucking hate the miracuclass believing lila over marinette saga, it's literal edge and the writers telling us to hate Lila because "only marinette and adrien against the rest of the class" bullshit. That's also why Oni-chan and Revelation are actually good Lila episodes in comparison
In oni-chan, we get to see a "bit of her perspective" (which turns out to be bs because of YET ANOTHER edgy ass story line the writers want to add) and also her messing with Kagami (because she's a love rival, duh). This is an apisode in which Lila actually has a weakness, in which Adrien gets convinced that she's a strait up bad person, and would later do something about it. It's also one of the best "liladrien" episodes (as in, we get to see how they really feel about each other, and I like the 'ship' because they both foil each other so well)
In revelation, it's radically different, and is like the average poorly-written class-salting Lila episode, but we also get another side of Lila's (other than 'haha marinette i am so powerful and evil i will destroy you') which focuses on her 'conflict' with Gabriel and how she values herself. While "aww! she's so sad because Gabriel cannot let her have a place in this world" does not count as an excuse for doing all this bullying to Marinette, keep in mind that she projects herself a lot while lying (like how she basically exposes her strategy to manipulate and tells Kagami it's Marinette doing so), so if anything I guess she's looking for some sort of control she could have living (so that she could have more power, hence agency, rather than the responsibility it's emphasized for Marinette)
This was also one of the episodes of which you could genuinely say she was quite smart, because while it was open to Gabriel that she hates Marinette, information she barely discloses to the public, he'd easily expect Lila to be a foolish attention seeker. But she's taken the opportunity to listen to Gabi speaking to Nathalie in strike back, and connects the dots and even confirms Gabriel actually being hawkmoth. And since Gabriel was an ass towards her, she decided to say "fuck it!" and make hawkmoth believe that it was Marinette she was targeting, while it was, in fact, Gabriel himself.
Lila now has all the information about Gabi, and then gets to the mansion herself to collect the butterfly while she's at it. This then makes a new theory arise - Since Lila has info about Gabriel, could she use it to tell Adrien the truth about his father before Marinette does? Could it lead to a corruption arc for Adrien? And will Chrysalis actually stop Nooroo from communicating with her, or does she have to care for her kwami as it's the only way she could recharge, because she's a teenager (and NOT actually a 30-year-old woman with a genetic disorder - seriously, those theorists piss me off!!) ?
As for now, her character has gone to absolute shit. We see more screentime of "my dog got stung by a bee :("-esque scenes than her scenes which are actually meanacing and scary. WE see the classmates iqs drop to -300 as we're given no context about Lila being trustworthy (over MARINETTE OF ALL PEOPLE, maybe it's supposed to be telling that 'sometimes people who play the crying puppy will manage to steal your friends from you, no matter how ridiculous they sound'). She's literally the edgy teenager version of Tohru Adachi (in a bad way)
You think maybe Ladybug and Cat Noir will take Kagami to grand master Su-Hun to take care of her and keep her miraculous when they get that one back from Monarch and she chooses to leave her mother after the merger of her and Gabriel's companies and the transmitter rings?
You know what does she give credit to Chloe her character has like the worst day ever worse mom is like not accepting her and then that Dad is not even Brave man I was like come on give Chloe a chance try, and feel bad for Chloe's character
hahaha thats exactly like zoe said
zoe lee : but chloe will be so furious she supposed to be queen be
chloe fandom : agreed
agreed
Honestly I find Felix a really interesting character. He is a villain and I get why people hate him that much. I also don't like him but he's actually really well written and he is smart af. He is not stupid unlike Gabriel.
About Lila: Lila is one of the most annoying and evil characters I've seen. However she is a well written character and she is really important in the whole plot of mlb. Ofc this doesn't change tha fact that she is a villain
Hi @Catblancxprincess justice are you going to another theory video on the new season of Miraculous soon Miraculous Season 5 ?
And although so many people say that she's being a bad partner to Cat so it's her flaw, yeah I know she's doing absolute bad to him but at least it can be explained a bit..
What about her other characstic..
Like that doesn't make any sense.
I know
Ayy!! New video 👏💕
OMG I WAS MENTIONED anyways I probably agree with all of these except Marinette and Chloe , like for marionette her personality doesn’t actually appeal to me to the point I wouldn’t see her in my top ten Favourite characters but although she is a little *strange* she still has a kind heart, and literally risks her life everyday to save some random people she doesn’t know from a childish psychopath (Gabriel), keep in mind, martinette is ladybug, and we see the confidence in ladybug that marionette is missing which is good, because if ladybug didn’t have that, marinette would be in my least Favourite characters. Secondly, and mostly, I do NOT agree with Chloe NO EXPLANATION needed she is HANDS DOWN my second fave character (after chat noir;)) She has ze SPICE, she has ze ATTITUDE! Anyways this video was so funny and fun to watch!!! I enjoyed every second of it and I was smiling SO MUCH when I was mentioned like omg tysm!!! Also, you are like my fave UA-camr!!! Anyways so ya I am a little over the top bc I never got mentioned in a video before but ilysm!!!!💕💕
Felix ix one of my favorites LOL.
Honestly i think that lila is the worst character because she is just pure evil. Gabriel had a reason to become a villain but lila doesnt. Although lila is a very well written character her character is not doing it for me.
I am not even suprise that cat noir/adrien did not make it into this list
Marinette's behaviour is not stalking. Stalking is something completely different. It's actually insulting for real stalking victims to call Marinette a stalker. Some of her actions seem a bit strange but that's not stalking and she's just 14 years old. There's a explaination for all her actions which are typical for her age. She has Adrien's schedule since he always has the same one (nearly everyone in that age wants a schedule of his/her crush but that's impossible since nobody has the same schedule every week). And Marinette didn't even know when Adrien had fotoshootings, she didn't know Adrien wanted to Shanghai, she didn't know if he could meet his friends, etc. Is it forbidden to make future presents for your crush? It's okay if she want to make future gifts. It's okay if you (I mean all fans) don't like Marinette but she's not a stalker, creepy or obsessed at all
Yeah I agree to be honest I did do some things she did not all but some when I had a crush at around her age not the calendar thing but I definitely stuttered ❤️💖😅
I think Marinette is creepy and obsessed and a stalker. :P
@@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm3093 No, she's not. You don't even know what these things are. It's embarrassing that you don't have any arguments
@@maximilianschussler8126 Only if you haven't read my comments. :D And like I said, thinking she's creepy is an opinion, but she clearly is obsessed as well. Whether she is outright a stalker is debatable, but her actions are very much like what a stalker would do. It's more of a crazy fan type. But I was just saying that to annoy you there ;)
@@maximilianschussler8126 Oof, I still think she's creepy and obsessed though. :0
Everyone isn’t the worst character, well even if they are, they deserve the best.
*MY OPINIONS THAT PROBABLY NO ONE CARES ABOUT BUT IM WRITING THIS ANYWAYS*
*ZOE* - I agree. She has no flaws and acts pick me sometimes. Although she is nice I do feel like she’s a replacement for Chloe. She’s not really necessary for the plot. I feel like she just makes Chloe look worse than she already did.
*MARINETTE* - idk. Just I’m glad she improved from season 1!
*XY* - I agree. He’s a forgettable character.
*MS. TSURUGI* she’s one of those characters we don’t really know much about. Maybe something happened in her past that caused her to be like this that we don’t know about. Personally for *ME* she’s one of my favorite characters. But putting biasedness aside, yeah she’s mean to people for literally no reason. How she acts towards Kagami sometimes is not okay. I can see why people wouldn’t like her for that. Some say she is replacing Natalie but I find her more interesting than Natalie (sorry guys 🥲)
*FELIX* in the older seasons I would’ve said he is a bad character. He did wrong things but he seems to have developed in season 5. But I really don’t know.
*CHLOE* I like Chloe but her personality is getting boring (like you said) can we have character development please and not mess it up this time???? Please TOMHAS ASTRUC???????? 🙏🙏🙏he clearly hates Chloe.
*AUDREY* she treats Chloe and Zoe like crap. Definitely the worst parent in Miraculous in my opinion. She acts like Chloe and Zoe don’t even exist and only acts like she loves them when she has a benefit in the situation. I agree Chloe idolizes her mom and WANTS to be like her.
*ROB ROTH* yup! A rich jerk. He literally framed an innocent band full of 14 year olds. I don’t have anything else to say.
*LILA* pick me. She makes me cringe.
*GABRIEL* not surprising he’s first.
Lmao I like Marinette I just don’t like how she does shit but doesn’t get consequences but if another character does something that might not even be as bad they would get consequences
You guys are ruining the show. Without those characters, what is the show then?
Well you might have an "actual" team of heroes rather than the almost disposable short term convenience Marinette was treating them. Ironically they said having the Miraculous in one place was what the problem was - and Marinette's inability to delegate and trust lost her Trixx too whom she'd otherwise have retained.
Remember this is the Girl who left the Miracle Box in a cupboard and went to America for a week.
@@90lancaster Ladybug is a perfect leader and the whole team is amazing. Marinette/Ladybug was kind to everyone and did mistakes like every character. It was a good decision to give Trixx to Alya permanently.
She didn't even want to and Master Fu permitted it. Hawk Moth was in America too. Every hero takes vacation and Marinette is just 14 years old. Your comment is more than ridiculous
@@maximilianschussler8126 You misunderstand - I am criticising her for taking Trixx away just in time for him to be captured by Felix & handed over to Gabriel - if she'd not been bickering with Alya - then she'd at least not lost that one too..
@@90lancaster Oh, okay. But she only took it away because Shadow Moth knew that Alya was still active. It was for her own safety. It was a bad coincidence but Ladybug couldn't have known that Félix would steal all Miraculous from her. It's not her fault
@@maximilianschussler8126 Alya had her Miraculous after Hawkmoth Doorstepped her - she just took the role of Rena Furtive - I guess that is the indiscretion - that Shadowmoth (somehow) saw her - despite not being anywhere near her - possibly via the sentimonster - I don't think Froggy (Risk) saw her though..
There is also the question that taking her Miraculous away means she's left with no means to defend herself and just look how many times Luka's family was targeted in Season 4 - it is almost like the show is punishing him for breaking up with Marinette at times it's so often.
Ok Felix is a good character not a good person but written good he is a villan to and anti hero he claps 4 akumatized people at the drop of a hat he protects kagami and is smarter then everyone in Paris combined he’s a 4D Chess player that didn’t want to get thanous snapped out of existence fair , also cat noir also tried to kiss lady bug with out her consent in the episode prime queen and he’s a hero and also Felix joins the hero teem
Hey, @CatblancxPrincessJustice I have a question about the passion episode. so I watched it now and I noticed that even if Adrien took off his ring Plagg was still floating in the air, how is that possible? When Marinette took off her earrings the first time she used them as ladybug in season 1 Tikki was no longer visibly floating in the air like the qwamis do when the holder seems to be wearing the miraculous. Can you please explain?
What about Adrien who's just a creeper just oozing with nice guy vibes and begging from affection? Especially after in "Cat Blanc" when he cheated his way to being in a relationship with Marinette when he figured out her secret identity and didn't second thought about the other fangirls whose hearts were probably broken as long as he got what he wanted and when that didn't work when Gabriel and Nathalie got involved it cost him everything and went completely crazy because of the fact that he had to leave with that loss for weeks especially after he attacked an alternate reality version of Marinette that was retrieved by Bunnix before she could head back to her friends and tried to steal her miraculous from her to fix what he had done before he was deakumatized by her and restored the timeline
Yeah, I agree that Chat can be a creep, but you couldn’t have chosen a more worst example. What Adrien did in Chat Blanc was nowhere near his fault. Yes, he asked Marinette out, but I don’t think he was using her, as he was asking her out as Marinette, not as Ladybug. Also, why would he care about a bunch fangirls that don’t even care about him, when he could get the girl he actually likes? If anything, Chat Blanc was all Gabriel’s doing.
@@toastysweaters5692 okay well what about Chloe who's been there for him in childhood when his dad wouldn't let him out of the house or go to any actual public schools and make other friends? Yes I know she's not perfect and honestly I can understand that reason why that is, but at least she was always there for when no one else was because his dad wouldn't let him out to keep him sane while his old man's just slowly deteriorated because of his comatose terminally ill wife. I mean did that mean nothing to Adrien to stop and at least think about how it probably effected her? And what about Kagami before he and her even started to date at all? I mean this timeline before that ever happened imagine how betrayed she must've felt when she find out on the news. And what about Lila who probably felt betrayed as well? I mean she wanted to make him her's and yet he choose to be what someone who wanted to ruin, humiliate, and expose her at first and became at war with, don't get me wrong I don't like what she does either neither the same with Chloe for that matter but at least we can understand why they do the terrible things they do in their lives and we might learn more so about Lila when she starts teaming up with Felix and ends her alliance with Gabriel and those two become the next bad bads of the show. Just imagine how devastated they all were, man
@@hunterrousseau3770 Again, Adrien is in the wrong a times, but you have yet again pulled out the worst examples. CHLOE was the one to break off their friendship, not Adrien, and I get it, I don’t like the direction Chloe is heading in, but their friendship ending was not Adrien’s fault. I agree, that Ladybug went too far with humiliating Lila, but Adrien is in no obligation to date Lila, since she has proved to go too far, example being trying to get one of his friends expelled. The only example you pulled that makes sense, is with Kagami, since Adrien did treat her horribly.
@@toastysweaters5692 okay. I know Chloe broke things off with Adrien but at least he had someone there for him when no one else was because his dad wouldn't let him out of the house much, like did that mean nothing to him? Also, even after Marinette was at her worst at times he don't seem to mind when she humiliated her in front of him like that okay maybe he did but yet he still choose to stand by her side despite when she committed acts like that when she goes out of her way to abuse her power as Ladybug for her own purposes, you can't say things like that she did are about pretty much as selfish as anyone else in the world would, right?
@@hunterrousseau3770 Since was I defending Ladybug/Mari? I never even mentioned her. I agree that Ladybug can be bad at times, but again, it’s Adrien’s choice who wants to hang out with. Also, we barely see Chloe and Adrien hang out at all? I’m pretty sure they had an arranged friendship going on. I like Chloe, but Adrien was in the right for letting her go, since she was acting too irrational.
Do you understand what does " badly written" mean?
I mean most of these characters are badly written but when you say it I don't think you understand its meaning.
No character is badly written
@@maximilianschussler8126 Well
Good writing has rules and a character should be written in a way that fits the character and its role so it can be called well written.
There are characters that are Well written and badly written it is from a writing perspective
However there is no character that is objectively bad .
@@rawdasalmataman7908 I know what you mean and I agree with you. Every character makes mistakes and does bad actions. But I don't think that can be a reason to call a character badly written. All characters can improve and evolve, exactly like every person
@@maximilianschussler8126 I think you don't get it.
Zoe for example is badly written because she is analyse with no flaws.
Marinette is a bad character because she is not interesting she doesn't develop even she is developing alittle in season 5 it won't save her.
She is a marysue because she has forced writing and A marysue is not just a flawless character but character with forced writing.
1st 😁🎊
Episode 18 of season 5 Lila found out that Gabriel is monarch
In the episode emotion it seemed like Felix starting to join the good side
Imagine if Amelie is just as bad as her own son right now since she only visited Gabriel to get the rings back after he refused and never returned any of her calls and not to just visit him and Adrien
OMG Iwas so suprised that gabriel was number 1😂😂😂🤣
Yeah he is the worst
I hate Kagami's mom, she is really working with agreste and that's... sh'e also a SUPER horrible mom!!
Being honest, I think that Felix and Lila will team up, and they will fight against Ladybug and Cat Noir because Lila will get the Butterfly miraculous, and Felix already has the peacock miraculous. And I think that after Season 5 they will be the main villains.
Maybe they will be a couple
@@bloomeraklyon5842 Agreed
Oh my gosh Felix
He’s one of my fave characters lol
Listen, having an immature crush onto someone doesn't give them the right to stalk them, come up with plans to be with them, breaking and entering (Chat Blanc), etc.
I have tons of crushed back in my youth and I was never like this.
I think it would be strange if Adrien didn't know Marinette but he does and also Subrina came straight into Marinette's bedroom without Marinette wanting her too
In Chat Blanc all she wanted to do was give Adrien a gift. She doesn't even stalk Adrien she doesn't go to his room at night and watch him sleep🙄. Yea she's knows his schedule but no one knows how she knows. so just like stop assuming things. She has plans to be with him because like she's just imagining it like some people do with their own crushes.(So Stop Hating On Marinette)
@@adrinette_stan
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Does this ring creep factors to you now?
Hey @CatblancXPrincess Justice I think you know that there is another spoiler picture From season 5 of Miraculous with a carbon copy of LadyBug and Marinette not having the earrings on her. Please go check it out when you have the time and I hope you can make another analysis video on it. I would love to know your thoughts on this new spoiler picture from Mundo Gloob.
Can u pls put a link to your new channel? I can’t seem to find it
(SPOLIERS!!!).
I agree with having a love hate relationship towards Mari because yes she is bad and she has done some absolutely insane stuff to adrien like stalking his calendar etc.. BUTTT in s4 she actually starts to get a grip on everything and then in s5 she actually starts to focus more on herself and getting the miraculous back instead of constantly crushing/obsessing over adrien all the time. I don’t hate Mari but until she’s gets better I’m not exactly gonna hate her but I’m not gonna LOVEEEE her. 🤷♀️
Agreed
Marinette is not bad and not a stalker
Yeah but I will never stop shipping Adrinette
Yeah
@@bloomeraklyon5842 Yeah but its kinda toxic
But doesn't adrien hit on ladybug?
so you mean chloe and adrien has a good and bad version
WOW!? like ADRIEN is perfect. Yeah ADRIEN is obviously not a problem. Well he is kind to everyone and handdsoome annndd cUutEe like how Marinette describe him. Okeh ☺☺ like i said yeah he is not one of the worst character, unlike Marinette(just kidding😅😅).
Zoe is literally the worst thank god they mentioned her
Hi @CatblancxPrincessJustice. I want to let you know that we have a new video from miraculous. A rise of the Sphinx game video. So I was wondering if you could please do an analysis or something on this in your next video please? Because I think all of your followers would like to know about what you think about this new game. Like what are your thoughts?
Thank you !
Can we do top ten fav ships of not just Marinette and Adrien but all of them 💖❤️💖❤️
Felix is too evil
Like what are the chances adrians cousin would be so evil for no actual reason 💀
At least Gabriel has a good reason
We don't know Félix' reason yet. Maybe he's good but just wants to finish his goal at all costs. We'll see
@@maximilianschussler8126 true
Yeah
lila
Here's the thing I don't like that girl marinate it's like the least favorite character of mine she's a stalker she's a predator and she's like has anxiety she's just like those girls. who are freaking like a fan of every boys like oh my goodness you got to stop it and the same time she's not a nice person she's a mean person we have seen her making weird faces to girls in anger and then started saying mean things while no one's seeing like this is not a hero this is a villain
Why is daddy gabe and bastie Chloe on the list they are the best
Also why felix he’s my bastie
ewww not you supporting someone who abuses his child and other kids. and is obsessed over making teenagers evil to get his dead wife in the basement alive. Also supporting a guy who sexual assaulted someone. SMHHH
This video is kinda rude, I mean you can't just make mean theories on these characters...most of them a barley know. Unfortunately I unsubscribed after this video.
I'm really sorry
Hi!
Zoé should have been the first
For me
1. Gabriel.
2. Audrey.
3. Anthony.
4. Adrien's mom.
5. Zoey.
6. Alex.
7 Alya.
8. Adrien.
9. Marinette.
10. Chloe.
Yeah same
Bro why adrien’s mom like nobody even knows her 😭
do you mean bad not worst
IS SEASON 5 OUTTTTTT AND WHEREEEEE
Am I to late???
I'll come back later to say ny least favs
Well...nm I realize it to late lol
I know a lot of people dislikes Mari but please she is not the worst character in the show so stop talking trash about my favourite kids show 😡
I think Felix is mean and the way he is mean bc of idk him.
Hi! So I know that Many of the miraculous characters are terrible but I have a solution that might help, what if I was the character for Miraculous ladybug and I have a voice actor to play me it's Nikki Valadez 😊😉☺
Hi!!
I just hope Nathalie can snap him out of it when she angrily reveals her former romantic feelings for him and make him rethink his life over and be a better father to Adrien for him it be a nice change for Gabriel to be more afraid of Nathalie than she was of him friend zoning her she be like the boss lady of the Agreste family if she became his step-wife and Adrien's stepmother
No Lila is worst lol
Maybe next time don't shake every photo you got, it really messes with my eyes. 😑
Brooooo is season 5 outttt