Will I switch? What an VW Id.3 owner thinks of the Renault Megane e-Tech
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Just on looks and infotainment alone, the Mégane easily takes the win.
Great series with the Megane, everything covered, good job!
The Megane is leagues ahead in terms of interior/exterior design, infotainement compared to the ID3.
Today I'd pick the Renault. VW has proven that they don't know what they are doing with software.
I just came from a test drive with the Megane. My own will come in December. All the travel assists are great. The drive with the Cupra Born last December was also great but at the meantime the travel assist can't order anymore, also the 360° Camera is a great Feature. But can't anymore be ordered for the Cupra. So I make my decision to go with the Megane.
The comparison is a bit to your personal taste, that is, it seems that you want to leave Id3 in a better place because it is your car. But in terms of the driving position, the Megane far exceeds the Id3 in terms of qualities. And we don't even talk about infotainment anymore... Inside the Id3 it looks like a toy car. And by the way, the Megane does have rear air vents in all versions except the basic one.
I love everything about how the Megane drives, it is just awesome. I don't agree that it is boring to drive in any way, in fact I think many will prefer the stability of the front wheel drive. What was a letdown for me was the seating position and space (or lack thereof) for legs and feet both in the drivers seat and in the back seat. So try before you buy. If you fit well, go for it.
There is always a taste factor and everyone has a different opinion, but front wheel drive is not more stable than red. It is the opposite.
But glad you like your Megane.
@@BatteryLife I didn't order one yet, and probably won't because of the space problem. If you are looking for a sporty car, rwd may be more rewarding to drive hard, especially if the car lets you drift it. The average person though wouldn't like that happening in the wet and snow during normal driving. That's what I mean by stability, and what I think the average driver would call stability. A rwd car gets more traction off the line, and with an electric car with traction control even slippery conditions may not be an issue. Just most people prefer a car that is naturally and consistently understeering, that's what I'm saying.
@@itekani traction control in id3 and my mothers cupra born is very good. I have never had problems last winter with snowy roads uphill. I even took an icy road uphill for some time. The cars feel very stable.
@@BatteryLife it has been my experience that FWD EVs have fared better in difficult snowy and icy situations here in Iceland even though EVs have ca 50-50 weight distribution.
Reason is directional stability. When you drive a wheelbarrow and face tough conditions you turn it around and drag it.
FWD also offers considerable weight savings in cables and cooling. The weight difference between the cars is much higher than the video suggests.
Good and concice comparison. Here in the Nordic countries, as someone already mentioned, I think the front wheel drive will be appreciated, since it generally gives you a calmer behaviour in winter conditions, e.g. when overtaking. Most people are accustomed to front wheel drive now, but off course rear wheel drive is more "fun".
I already ordered the Megane and the reason was the towing capability. I like to get the Google system and that it is lower in height. I cannot understand VW for lacking the towing hook and additionally the bike rack is uncomfortable high. Not to compare with the practicality of a Golf. VW has to change that.
In July, Renault sold more Megane etech than VW ID.3s.
I do not want to sound as a Renault fan, but the design of the Megane is much better looking inside and out than an id3.
You are entitled to your opinion.
@@BatteryLife Thank you. And I drive a VW😁
Absolutely perfect comparison, Chris!
They are close concurrents but Megane is a bit better on many points.
Renault has several years advantage in experience with EV.
Megane feels more mature while ID3 feels more younger.
Great review. The way you compare them with your phone between the cars and you put all the numbers on the screen. Do more reviews with electric cars like that.
Thanks. Can you give me more cars to compare 😉
I have a Dacia Spring for daily use and a Renault Captur for longer Journeys. I am looking for replacing the Captur in 2023 or 2024 with an EV. I like more id3 for rear wheel drive, larger windows with better visibility, a litlle more spacious inside, and more regular car like to drive than SUV-ish Megane e tech
I like though more the interior of Megane e tech and their infotainment
I have also the ID.3 1st and the same problem with the break. Regen is OK but real breaking is to weak.
I don't own pets but still it would be common sense on a car that costs half as much as my house that there would be a button to keep the AC running for 5 minutes while I'm in the store getting chips and beer. At this point the car companies have to be r-word to not create this kind of common sense functions. Another example that comes to mind is a button to toggle crawling, these are EVs and it would be a simple software piece, I don't need a random guy in a suit sitting at a desk to decide if my expensive EV should or should not have an immutable crawl mode.
Its so rare to see such extremely good and informative comparison! Thank you!
Thank you for the nice comment.
A very good comparison… actually the best I have seen…👍
In the ID.3 for the travel assist you just need to touch the steering wheel, it is a capacitive steering wheel.
I know, I was wring. But way stronger touch.
For a test I'd just compared the Cupra Born with the Megane -.... I've ordered the Megane mainly because of the deep trunk, (the wheelchair of my mother can stand inside) an I ordered with the detachable trailer coupling... will come in december 22 (for the Cupra Born it would be june/july 23)
Thanks for the great video
I think I will wait for the mk2 id3 ! It just look’s so cheap inside ! The software would drive me mad 😡
good idea. it will probably offer LFP batteries too. faster hardware for infotainment, etc.
Now that is a great comparison. Awesome. Thank You.
great comparison review. Chris your videos are improving.
Megane is my favorite ID3 alternative from now on.
Thank you for the great and very useful review. Having tested both cars I'd say the more recent project of the Megane gives some advantages, software in particular. The main disadvantage of the Megane is the rear space: leg space is too limited and seating position not as comfortable like in the ID3. I found it also quite claustrofobic with black interior and such small rear windows. At least the Megane has ventilation for rear seats, this is quite important if you have children for example. Additional advantages for the Megane are: battery preheating selecting a charger in the navigation system, in winter in particular; charge port position allow to easily charge at Tesla supercharger without interfering with Tesla users.
Charge port position isn't a problem for Tesla chargers? Correct me if I'm wrong but it's similar to the etron position and they're often parked awkwardly to access the Super chargers. What's the difference that makes Megane better on this front?
Regards to the Charging port position. The charge port switches sides to the left side front on UK so is on the opposite side to that of the driver. This is ideal I guess for kerbside charging in each country, but is the most awkward side for UK cars in Tesla Charging Stalls
What a great review - Love it. One other area I was impressed with on your previous review was the adaptive headlamps (pig sick my one will not have it) but amazing feature on your id3 - Thanks for a very thorough review
Thinking the renalt mergain e
As with in 10 miles off me i got 10 22kw ac chargers
Stop & charge & lunch for hr = 88 miles added
Tescos 22 kw is free too
Like your licence plate on your ID3. It’s paid, it’s an ID3, and it’s your number 01Electric car 😀😀
Excellent comparison and it was interesting to hear of the subtle differences. Disappointing that Renault have dialled back on the E-Tech’s initial acceleration because my take is that the E-Tech has been designed as more if a coupe/sports car whereas the ID.3 is more of a family car. Personally I am not sure that I could live with the very dark and oppressive interior of the E-Tech. I would have loved to have seen a panoramic roof or sunroof as an option but I guess that is not going to happen. Failing that it needs a light head lining. TBH whilst I love the tech in the Renault I am not sure I can live with the E-Techs short comings.
Love your videos. You are very honest talking about the pros and cons. Thnx
ID.3 has capacitive sensors in the stearing wheel, so no need to move the wheel when using travel assist (auto steering), so this should be the same for both cars.
Nice comparison video 👍
No, in VW you have to press way harder.
@@BatteryLife in my ID.4 I just touch the steering wheel and the car detect the presence.. Sometime I touch only with the leg and the car is happy
@@BatteryLife Maybe you have to press harder. But it's still capacitive. No need to turn the steering wheel. Just hold it stronger.
@@BatteryLife Moin Chris! Das stimmt schon, was Lars Hansen sagt. ID.3 mit TA hat ein kapazitives Lenkrad, was Du nur berühren musst. Es ist nicht notwendig, daran rumzurütteln oder ähnliches. VG
PS: In der WeConnect ID-App kannst Du auch die Route planen.
@@BatteryLife Not true Chris. A few fingers is a soft grip on the steering wheel is enough in the ID.3. No active steering or firm grip is needed in ID.3.
Apart from that tiny glitch - Brilliant comparison .
As dog owner i think that its a shame that the climate cant run more than 10 minutes. I can add that i dont trust our id3 at all when it comes to this function either. Several times it has turned the climate off and i have had to return to the car to "save" the dog.
Never had that happen ever. It even shows the time of the climate in the app.
Renault Megane e-Tech is the better one - when you highlight the pros and cons. For a German though, slightly better suspension and better steering at very high speed might weigh more and maybe enough to go for ID3?
Important is Not the Country u come from.
Important is what Each Individuum likes.
Strange Rassism-building words
@@hotowesi5037 I'm only thinking about the option Germans have to floor it (max speed) on the motorway that all other countries don't have.
@@hotowesi5037 for a swiss though, vw id3 is better in winter condition. And surley also for a southafrican and a man from senegal having holidays here.
Great review, very informative and insightful. I’m hoping you will be able to conduct a similar review of the id3 v the new Niro EV.
Thank you for a GREAT review! 🚙 I have seen a lot of other Megane e-Tech EV reviews, but you gave me a lot of ‘Daily driver information’ that I never heard before, and which is not written anywhere. Some of this might actually be dealbrakers, because it can be very annoying when driving the car daily, eventhough I might not observe all of it during my 1 hour test drive nearby a car dealer. ☀️ Thank you! Please continue making reviews.
I personally want to switch to RWD cars, and Megane is no-go for me. Waiting for Smart No.1, that could be interesting.
I'd person have the Cupra Born over the ID3, a better equipped car as standard, nicer styling touches and beautiful to drive, waiting on a test drive of the Megane e so can't comment on it yet, it looks a beautiful car visually though.
Megane seems bo the better choice in this case. I absolutely hate the touch buttons by VW, they've lost their compass by interior design.
Also why bother developing OS for the infotainment. By the time it will be on the market it wilo already be old. Renault has took a better approach and gave it to google. 100000x better than VW.
Thanks for the summary info!
If megane e tech had rwd i would prefer it but in the winter time in switzerland i need an e- car with 4wd or at least rwd. And driving in the winter does my id3 very good on the snowy streets way up.
Thanks for your videos. You are doing a great job. I like that you are very analytical. If you would have make a pick between the id3 77 and megane 60 what’s would be your choice?
Something that you did not mention is that it’s not aloud for id3 to put a roof rack, which is really annoying.
There was no data if the Megane can have one.
Excellent review, thank you.
I've had a VW ID.3 on order since last December and saw the e-tech Megane in France and started to think maybe I should switch my order.
Your review tells me I made the right decision.
I don't suppose VW will switch to Google Maps etc, having invested so much in their own system and some reviews actually say the VW infotainment is the best in class.
Well, related to VW infotainment as being the best in class, that is an overstatement. Cars are ok, software is not up to date.
I have read, that VW will switch to another infotainment system in 2024. Wether it is a new system developed by VW, they don’t say, but on the other hand they didn’t rule out shifting to Android Automotive.
@@jesperhald3969I think the ID5 has the new one. The others are not getting it yet.
Just test drove a Mégane back to back with the Cupra Born and it was better in pretty much every way other than having a preference for rear wheel drive.
Not tried the VW ID3 yet but assuming the driving experience would be almost identical to the Born.
I would go with the Megane just because of the Google infotainment. I don't care about the other things.
Great direct comparison video. Not just seeing one car being reviewed with positive and negative points.
I don't see that. VW drives great, Renault great software. Rest very similar.
@@BatteryLife you misunderstood what I meant. All other videos seem to be showing only one car but talk vaguely about others, while your video shows both. Your style is much better.
Nice comparison. Shame the Megane is small feeling inside.
I’ve had an ID.3 for a year and now I have a Megane.
Build quality deffo better on the VW,
Design (especially interior) deffo better on the Renault.
Of the ID.3 I hated the clumsy infotainment system, the dark buttons you couldn’t see at night and the weird toy-like speedometer.
Of the Megane I’m hating all the annoying noises inside the cabin.
This is my 4th Renault (a Clio mk4, a Zoe ZE40, the new Zoe GT line and now this Megane) and they ALL share the annoying noisy rattling plastics.
Don't understand his comment regarding the Megane feeling much slower in the acceleration as compared with the id3. The 0-60 times are virtually identical.
But the Megane starts very slowly. Try it.
@@BatteryLife explain the same times for 0-60mph, 7.4 secs versus 7.3 secs. Are Renault not being truthful?
Travel assist on my ID.3 doesn’t require jerking the wheel. Just grip it firmly and the warning goes away.
Sorry, that is what I wanted to say. Firmly, in the Megane, slight touch is enough.
Megane e-tech is a better car, but that is also because the ID.3 was in the market from 2020, and the Megane went to market in 2022.
i don't see that. in the ID.3 you get RWD and a 77kWh battery because it is not based on an ICE car. in two years you might get 58-60kWh LFP in an ID.3 - theoretically, while this is not possible in the megane because of limited space for the battery.
@@stefanweilhartner4415 both cars have the same exterior dimensions, so both can get similar batteries.
I own an ID.3.
The only thing that is definitely missing from the ID.3 is the towing bar. Huge mistake.
@@alexandru-florea the battery modules in the MEB are 14cm in height, the modules in the e-tech are 11cm in height. that is exactly the missing space to go from 60kWh to 77kWh. so, with the same energy density it is not possible to put a 77kWh battery in the e-tech. very big mistake in my eyes.
with a higher energy density it is possible but that would be more expensive.
VW owns a majority of Gotion high-tech, a big battery producer with modern LFP tech. with more space for the battery, it is also possible to use cheaper LFP tech for medium range.
Great comparison but you didn’t say whether you would switch cars?
My e-Golf has regen levels too and i quite like that. In the city I drive in B-Mode, on countryroads regen level 2 and on a highway D-Mode. Hopefully VW could update the software and give the ID. Models more regen levels and even one pedal driving. Please VW implement more driving options with 3.0 or 3.1...
I do not understand why VW removed this feature...
Because of rear wheel drive
@@BatteryLife Very interesting
Excellent comparison. And seemed like you tried to be very fair. Thank you. I hope the sw ver 3.0 does some wonder. I sat in a new VW caddy and the system was way quicker than in.my golf 8... had a matt screen too.
You also need better hardware for good software. Existing ID3 and ID4 might not get the whole stack of software because of the weak(er) computer behind.
How come acceleration in Megane is supposedly so much worse, when in the official specs it's 7.4 sec for Megane vs 7.3 sec for ID4?
0.1 second difference is indistinguishable (and it's still faster than most of the ICE cars)
Try it out. In my test it is slower than my Id.3 and it doesn't feel good.
@@BatteryLife What's the time difference you have seen in 0-100?
The ID.3 motor has a slightly higher torque…and the gearing could make a difference, too.
The 7.4 is to 60 mph. I think the Megane software constrains acceleration from 0 and it then ramps up later. So Megane accelerates slower at lower speeds.
I'm seeing lots of Megan's around here, they are beautiful. I was curious if they are just as good on the inside + the "car" parts.
Yes, the are
I see Renault offers roof bars on the Megane e-tech but VW doesn't offer this option on the ID.3.
A few roof-bar companies offer roof bars for the ID.3 but there is some discussion on the forums, some say VW say it's no problem to fit bars and apparently there are marks on the car to show where they should be fitted. Other opinions say VW does not approve of bars being fitted.
Please can you tells us the facts of this, Chris?
No roof bars allowed because of the weight. The structure won't hold it.
VW went too early and hastily to catch up with Tesla that the final product is underwhelming.
Think other EV automakers saw this coming and got the message to improve a bit more.
No heat pump on rhd version for Megane uk and Ireland . Price is just a killer when now compared to tesla model 3 and mg ev4
Did test drive them both, Megane is superior to the id3. Cabin noise and especially the controls are just better, vw should drop the touch buttons....
Cabin noise was not different in my drives.
While talking about the range it should be stated that ID.3 may have a bigger battery - 77 kWh.
Can have. But also than more expensive
Why did you pick the ID3 instead of the Cupra Born with much better quality interior a better looking shape not to mention the whole built quality?
Great video!
I watched the whole video but I think I missed the answer for the question in the title. Where is it?
A little correction. I have an ID3 with travel assist. You don’t have to move the steering wheel to confirm your attention. A simple touch is enough.
Yes, I was wrong, but firm touch. Megane needs only soft touch
Great review!
What's your source for the weight of the Renault? According to Renault homepage the weight is 1636 kg for the larger pack. Ca 150 kg lighter than the ID.3. I could certainly feel it when I through into corners, much more agile than the heavy ID.3.
EV database. I did not feel that it is any better through corners. Opposite with the fwd
@@BatteryLife ev-database says 1711 kg but you say 1783? And also I would rather use official data from the manufacturer.
Renault says 1636 kg.
Every reviewer (apart from you) that I've seen comparing the cars have mentioned the Megane being more agile, which aligns with my experience. So I'm surprised about your opinion. :)
@@thorsev6960 On German Renault page it says exactly 1783kg for 60kWh/160kW version.
@@JPetr94 French Renault site brochure has it at 1636 kg.
@@thorsev6960 lol, in Polish website it's 1708 kg (60kWh/160kW version). What's up with Renault throwing masses all over the place?!
Renault💪🔝🔝🔝❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Did you have the same power delivery feeling in sport mode?
Yes
@@BatteryLife 🙏
Weird, your comment about travel assist. In the enyaq you just need to grip the wheel and it recognises you're there. I assumed the ID cars would be the same
They are. I was wrong. What I meant to say was you need to press tight, in the Megane even a light touch does it.
Renault Megane 😍
Was told Megane not available for cash in n Ireland so they want the interest to correct for lower price
Tha main question: is the 22kW onboard charger similar to Zoe, or is it a separate AC/DC unit like in most EVs?
onboard! (same technology as the zoe)
Besides the occasional time I could use tow hook. I still like my Born better as choice than the Mégane. Was better priced too.
Renault is the best
Megane looks bigger while being tiny smaller. Still I like the id3 more.. Its more an ev model where the megane still looks like a petrol car. Its too bulky as well
Infotainment screen is smaller in id3 and you think that’s a good thing the phone holder makes it feel more cramped 😂 all the things that are better about the Megane you call a negative 😂 it’s obvious you own an id3 and the arm rests are a lot harder on the id3 I’ve tried both, next time don’t compare what you already have as you are incapable of not being biased
Yes, I own an Id.3, but I am not biased at all.
I know the strengths and the weaknesses of it.
I only had the Megane for a few hours though.
But I said what I personally find better and worse.
It doesn't have to be your opinion.
I even sat in both right after each other when it comes to the armrest softness 😉
Would the Megane be better in snow because its front wheel drive?
Yes, for sure.
Renault MegE much better looking inside and out. Drive? I'll have to test that out...
Much better car than the Zoe. VW need to step up the game for WLTP range of the mid range battery.
In my 130 range test, id.3 had more range
@@BatteryLife but still not enough
@@BatteryLife on smaller tires though?
almost the same range per kWh. if you need more range, buy the bigger battery. you can't get that from renault. most people prefer the bigger battery.
@@stefanweilhartner4415 the problem is that the 77kWh battery comes with restrictions, like no 18" or glass roof.
Megane has the looks, it is sexier, VW looks like it was cut with an axe
French engineering beating German engineering? Who would have thought…
Just software 😉
No info and comparison on ground clearance:(
Sorry, no idea on both cars.
@@BatteryLife ID3 is 150mm. I made a screenshot from your video about owner's manual. 😁 Thank me later. 😉
very similar, but the ID.3 offers a bigger battery with 77kWh and this is where Renault has it's limits and that of course will show in the number of sold cars. most of the ID.3 users buy the 77kWh long range version.
my personal preference is rear wheel drive, and front wheel drive does not make sense in an electric car. that shows that renault did not start with a clean sheet to make an EV. it is still based on an ICE platform.
i am sure that the megan e-tech sells well and it looks nice, but VW saw the potential for their pure electric car lineup years ago and had trust/confidence in this development where renault is obviously still struggling with their decision and have to compromise at the end.
it will be interesting how renault is doing as a whole company in 2025, when ICE sales are down to 50% and the ICE market gets extremely tight and no one in europe will make profits from ICE cars anymore.
only the companies who make good profits with EVs can survive.
Alfa Romeo will be one of the car brands that might die. No EV so far.
Toyota will also collapse in Europe. Maybe Mazda too.
The Toyota BZ4X is extremely disappointing regarding charging speed, despite their problems that wheels are falling off.
The Mazda electric CX-30 has an absolutely inferior range. no one is buying it.
Megane e-tech and Nissan Ariya share the same platform and other tech ☺️
The megane e tech platform was made for AWD. The reason why megane is FWD is space in the trunk. The new Scenic will feature AWD as well as 87kwh battery just like the nissan Arya.
Renault Mégane E-Tech the best ! Belgium. 😉
The question is how good will be Renault after 10. years, I had Megane III it is not bad car but many things I have to changed (clutch, sensors, gaskets etc :-) ) with 150000km it was too much :)
Megane.
"It takes all the fun out of an electric car" (12:48) ... How many times in the lifetime of a car do you test the 0 - 100 km/h? 🤔🤣
Not 0-100, but 0-50 almost every day.
@@BatteryLife Oh, that childish behavior after a red light... OK, you win... 😝
Do we have to take this review serious….😮 The ID3 (and also the ID4) is just a poor attempt of Volkswagen to join the EV market. The quality of the used materials is really horrible, and still, after two years of struggling all the software issues are mostly unresolved.
Yes, you do. That is just your opinion. I am fine with the materials, the software issues have been minor for me.
And it drives just great. That is my opinion.
My concern on Renault is the lack of quality but in NZ both are horrendously over-priced. The Renault marque has a poor reputation its built for 70years, no thanks. Towing is a huge plus otherwise.
The Nissan Ariya is built on the same platform and shares a lot of tech with Megane e-tech. Autogefühl was really taken by the quality feeling of the interior of the Nissan Ariya at the presentation in Sweden.
I tried the megane and the quality is excellent when compared to VW i know. The styling of the ID3 interior is cool but quality wise it is not on par with the german car's reputation.
How do people memorise those number plates
They don't 😉
The first letters before the "-" is the area (city) in this case Passau and Regensburg
Then there are one or two letters which means in the city or outside
and then 1 to 3 numbers.
The E at the end means electric.
This guy is totaly missing the point. There is no comparison between those two cars because ID3 is such an ugly duck with its plastic interior finish from a Lada. Nobody with a bit of sense would buy an ID3 instead of a Megane.
reality shows otherwise. there are people with other priorities, like RWD or 77kWh battery,...
Megane kills the vw .as you are tall passengers normally ok
can you make a review of new MG4 great 👍 👌 Ev for the money 💰
we are all waiting for your honest review thanks
I am waiting to get one in my hands
@@BatteryLife good news I think for price it will shake up the market and other manufacturers the working man's Ev 😀
But But But you didn't answer the question - Will you switch? I enjoyed the comparison. On paper, I prefer the ID3.
I think I did with the Acceleration problem of the Megane and how much better the Id.3 handles.
Renault looks better, better interior, good infotainment. ID3 looks insade and outside budget for the high price. Sorry VW, ID3 is not the future! Its bad looking, bad infotainment, bad materials, high price... Its the bigest mistake since Dieselgate!
Never compare German machine with others cars
Of course you can. The Megane is great. No need to be built in Germany.
I would never buy another French car. They always look cool but are never reliable. I had a E208 before the ID3 thinking they had pulled their socks up but it has so many electrical faults and rates to rattle after the first year. VW is a much better built car.
ID3 is much much better!
Mercedes !
You'd have to be absolutely mad to think a French vehicle is better than a German one for sure.
I think so, in any case this one is better than an ID3, as the new 308 is better than a Golf since vw has reoriented itself towards design type hearse
Megane is way new-er tech. We shall compare again Megane e tech with 2023 id3 facelift
It is called opinion 😉 why should Renault not build a great EV?
You're ignorant. French have also talented engineers.
Renault are French ….Great reason to avoid/ignore!