The ID.4 I test drove last year felt really underpowered compared to the weight of the car. That was the RWD version with 0-62 in 8.5 seconds. It's also got a bit more of a fossil car feel to it, I think VW are aiming to make it a smooth transition from something like a Tiguan. Pretty good choice for the suburbs or even as the single family car (depending on the charging infrastructure). The Ioniq 5 RWD I ended up buying feels a lot more powerful, even though 0-62 is only a bit faster at 7.4 seconds. In terms of cargo space, the Ioniq 5 is surprisingly large, especially when you slide the rear seats forward. And in the EU RWD the frunk is bigger and actually useful. However, if you need the legroom in the Ioniq 5 and don't slide the seats forward, the ID.4 definitely has a bigger and more useful boot. What clinched it for me is the faster charging, as I do a lot of mileage per year, including long day trips. having the shorter charging sessions means not having to hang around waiting for the car to charge. It's done charging in the time it takes us to go to the loo, have a coffee and stretch out for a couple of minutes. No time loss compared to the regular breaks we did with a fossil car. There are a couple of things I don't like that much in the Ioniq 5 however: - poor aerodynamics which really impacts motorway range, - only getting the 72.6 kWh battery in Europe (compared to the 77.4 kWh battery you're getting in the USA), - no OTA updates for the drive systems (OTA will only be enabled for Infotainment and Navigation) - the placement of the Bose subwoofer in the underfloor compartment is frankly moronic, - there's some interior rattling that still needs to be fixed, - the fact that you have to use the USB port under the dash for Android Auto (not the one in the console. Although supposedly wireless Android Auto should be enabled by an update), - no automated trip planning with charging stops (although might come with an update), - slower charging in cold conditions (update has been promised by Hyundai to preheat the battery). Overall pretty happy, and also happy to report that there have already been some updates to the Infotainment and Navigation (although not yet OTA). Biggest disappointment is the fact that they cancelled the automatic pop-out door handles in the Netherlands (and some other countries as well). These manual door handles are very hard to use in the dark; they're the same colour as the door and there's no welcome light shining on them. Anyway, I'm getting some refund for that omission.
@@bilgyno1 I have booked an AWD ID.4. Hopefully the AWD will help with the underpower issue of RWD. Ioniq 5 seems interesting, but I am not a big fan of the hatchback cars and the interior design such as big bezel screens and circular shape handle. I do like the rear vents location and fast charging. I just prefer a SUV style of ID.4. I don't go on road trips much, and I can charge at home, so I think I can get by with ID.4.
@@acefr8816 yes, if you can charge at home, work or on the street nearby the ID.4 is a very good choice too IMO. It's just great that we finally have more choice
I’m a VW guy but bought the Ioniq 5. I’m a road tripper so the crazy fast 800 volt charging was a game changer. 10 to 80% in 18 minutes. I have seen 233kw! The car is so smooth and quiet and I love the roomy comfy interior.
Haven't driven, or even seen, either car but from reviews and on paper I feel I'd go Ioniq 5 just for a bit more potential future proofing. I also think it's the best styled car I've seen in a couple decades.
Hey Forrest, I am buying an Ionic 5 today. I had an ID4 for 3 months and got hit back in December. After two months they finally decided to total it. What do you find are the big plusses of the i5 over the ID4 for you?
@@michaeljflagg In no real order…charging speed, infotainment (minus for not being wireless, but I use an adapter), driver aides are smoother, brakes don’t make noise, one pedal driving that’s very customizable, driver aides that remain off when I turn them off. I did go from RWD ID4 to AWD I5 so power is awesome, but not apples to apples. It’s not that the ID was terrible, it just small things added up to being unhappy with it. 1,000 miles in with I5, very pleased.
I'm from Canada and I just ordered an Ionic 5 Long Range with the Ultimate package. I did a test drive and I just fell in love. I'm a big fan of Tesla and I was hopping for the come back of the Model Y Standard Range. Apparently not this year. But who cares! The Ionic 5 is even better at many aspects. Thanks for the nice review. It confirmed my choice ;-)
After 4 VWs in a row I ordered an ID4 and got the phone call from my dealer that it had arrived. So excited. Went with checkbook in hand and did my test drive and instead of taking it home, I waited 7 more months and got an EV6 instead. I didn't like the ID4's gradual power delivery. Seemed frustratingly limited by software. Also couldn't stomach the ergonomics for climate control and on steering wheel. The EV6 I'm extremely happy with. I am addicted to the comfort and instant passing ability.
@@DeniJasmina that's great news! Auto-hold in the ID.4-- now we just need to see the reveal of the ID Buzz! (Hopefully vw will have vehicle to load feature)
And Just for your correction on the Ioniq5 HTrac configuration, Even when in ECO MODE, THE AWD IS ALWAYS ACTIVE full time from a start, until 15MPH is reached. THEN disconnects, hence expected range drop. This is clearly shown on the main speedometer screen with the 4 wheel power distribution regen graph.
Can’t wait for the BIG test! You’ll probably be the first reviewers to do a mega test with loads of EVs together. I think Carwow has come closest so far, but it was really only a range test. I reckon I already know the winner…something with a 6 in the name.
The basic idea of the rear drum brakes in MEB cars is not low cost as much as it is rust prevention. The brakes, expecially rear brakes are used so much less in an EV than an ICE car because of regenning that at least in some climates the disk brakes tend to get rusty. Living in a country with such a climate I would also miss a rear screen wiper in the Ionic 5. But both are great cars, although I'd go for the EV6 rather than the Ionic 5 simply because of the styling.
After 3 winters of horrible squeaky surface-rusted disc brakes on my Kona, I'm good and ready for some drums. It sounds like a 20 year old Pontiac when I'm in parking lots. During winter months, every morning I need to shift into neutral while driving at 50 km/h and slam the brakes just to get the squeaky surface rust and grit off the rotors.
The lack of a rear wiper on the Ioniq 5 is a major drawback in comparison with the Id.4. To my way of thinking, it is a safety issue. Authorities don't allow cars without rearview mirrors. Why should they allow them with rear windows made opaque by poorly engineered designs?
Kyle, I'm currently waiting for my I.D. 4 Pro S. I locked my order about three weeks ago. The waiting time is about 3 to 4 months! Below, there is part of an email I have received from VW: •ID.4 Pro starting MSRP of $40,760 •Expected improvements to the range and DC fast charging speed compared to MY21 •Latest software with benefits such as Auto Hold and Over-the-Air software update capability. •3 years of included 30-minute charging sessions at Electrify America DC Fast Charging Stations at no additional cost. So, It should have an Auto Hold function!
Same thing, locked in a pro gradient awd a few weeks ago after ordering in late October. Same email. But delivery is mid year. Which now makes me want to go scout the Hyundai dealer here.
I am on the list for Ioniq 5 Limited. I am 5'11" and Ioniq 5 is the only car that doesn't bother my knees hitting or rubbing against the center console. It is so much more comfortable on all driving conditions.
Two great EVs! After watching all these videos for so long and finally getting my AWD ID.4 (after a year on the reservation list), I've got to say that Out of Spec's videos have been the most bang-on and useful. I juxtaposed those reviews against what I had decided was and was not important to me. Its been bang on. I've been so happy playing around with this vehicle! The modern relevancy of your comments make me feel a bit old. Even though I'm a total tech nerd (programmer and digital circuit design my whole life). Sure, I've driven Tesla's and newer Audi's (my brother is big car nerd), but for my personal ownership I'm basically coming from a 22 year old gasoline A6 2.7T. Not a meek car by any means, but a lot has changed over the last 22 years! I loved your comment about USB-A. I still use USB-A (!)(!). Only two of our devices are USB-C (a newer mac and newer ipad). All of our lightning and micro-usb cords are USB-A, so I had to buy a few adapters for the ID.4's USB-C ports. It took me about a week to get used to the extreme level of integration too. On the ID.4 with wireless car-play and proximity key sensing I don't have to take anything out of my pockets or fiddle. Not my phone, not my keys, nothing. I just walk up to the car, open the door, get in, and go. The ID.4 is ready to drive in literally 2 seconds. By the time I get to the stop sign at the end of the street, its GUI is fully operational and car-play has connected and is showing the map. All without me having to fiddle with anything. But then we get into other things that I don't care about so much. I like to drive... lane keeping is something I might use occasionally but frankly it isn't as smooth as manual driving for my passengers. I was initially unimpressed with the radar following cruise control, but eventually found a decent setting using custom mode. I love comfort mode for the accelerator peddle but use sport mode for everything else. For sure. The seats are to die for... they're really nice on the trim level I got (since I wanted the King's Red, I pretty much went all-out on the AWD trim and I don't regret it at all). The biggest surprise I had was that ... I wound up really not caring about the slowness of the UI and infotainment system. I barely need to touch it since everything I care about runs from my iphone. That was probably my biggest worry going in because so many UA-cam channels remarked on it. But its been a total non-issue for me (the car came with 2.1. I am eagerly, but not rabidly, awaiting OTA updates). Coming from a gasoline car.. or more specifically, a manual gasoline sportscar, figuring out the D mode, B mode, and braking action was probably my second worry. It isn't perfect by any means, but I think criticisms were also overstated on various UA-cam channels. To be honest, I far prefer D mode over B mode. I think I would like B mode better if there were a little more play in the peddle for coasting but it flips into regen too quickly as you lift your foot off and is not nearly as smooth for passengers as D mode where you coast. I don't mind hitting the brakes for regen. When I intend to regen a very long time I either let the cruise control handle it or I flip it into B mode. But for most everyday driving D mode is both more comfortable and appears to be more efficient too (when one can judge when coasting works, its going to be more efficient than cycling the electric motor). I would like VW to work on regen-v-physical-brakes mixing. The brake peddle is tuned fairly well but it could be better. If there were anything on my wish list at all it would be to have a manual traction control where I could tell the car which wheels to drive (have the car just clamp the brakes down on the wheels that I don't want to turn). True 4WD is not something I want in a vehicle like this, but having fine control in 'stuck' situations would be a nice thing to have. -- For me the IONIQ 5 was intriguing, but a bit too new and untested. Kinda like the Mach-E. I wound up trusting VW's ability and promises more than I did Hyundai or Ford (I have a particular distrust of Ford, to be honest). I also like the lines of the ID.4 far better. Its a beautiful vehicle that really shows in the King's Red that I got. As an electrical engineer I knew for absolute certain that the IONIQ's 800V architecture would maintain power to the motors better and be able to charge faster, but those are mostly non-issues for me these days. The IONIQ is definitely a more geeky car and if I were 20 years younger I'd probably have chosen it instead. But my days of going 154 mph are long over (and I survived so.... feather). Kinda like when I was a slalom skier in my 20's and switched to snowboarding in my 30's because I was just having to go too fast on skis to have fun, whereas on the snowboard one can have fun going just about any speed (and ripping it down a freshly groomed slope, or on fresh powder, is actually more exciting on a snowboard than on skis). Same with cars, it seems. Fancy that! Keep up the videos! -Matt
The ID.4, Ionic 5, and EV6 are all on my list to look at used in maybe 3 years. We'll see what else pops up between now and then, but I would love either one of these. Nice video, I appreciate hearing the honest opinions.
Three years is a great timeframe to buy a used EV, assuming used car prices are back to their pre-covid levels. (Sure seems like they should be by that time, right ?!?
I drove an ID.4 when I was cross-shopping, and though it's a fine car, I found it a tad slow and I wasn't crazy about the infotainment design and about VW's approach to managing regen. I eventually bought a car before the IONIQ went on sale but it is a very intriguing car indeed along with its KIA sibling.
Have an id4 awd pro gradient on order due in mid 2022. Had sat in the Hyundai last fall at an EV show here in Denver. Liked it but not being sold so we ordered the VW. Watched your reviews and comparisons today. Still think I like the VW but will be checking in with the Hyundai dealer later this week. Thanks. Really like your reviews. So much fun. And happiness.
As for the roof racks: in Europe there are already some options to put roof racks on the Ioniq 5. The roof is rated to carry up to 80 kg / 175 lbs load while driving.
I will say that I am a bit bummed out by the roof rack situation with the Hyundai. For a family road trip we would need to put a box on it with some cargo up there. I suspect that would exceed 175 pounds very easily. Sounds like the European solution you mention is more for bicycles and stuff like that
@@amigajoe actually, most roof boxes here are rated for 75 Kg, and the roofs normally can carry 100 Kg. So, the I5 is rated for a bit less, but it's easy to just put lighter items in the box, and stay within the rated capacity. This is the load while driving, and when stationary it should be possible to mount a roof tent (but obviously no company rates their roofs for that use).
The Hyundai is more premium, better charging technology and better warranty. As a someone who drives from north to Florida regularly, the winner is clearly the Ioniq.
@Kumar This is a very ignorant comment. I drive a 3 series. My Santafe is a lot better and definitely more premium. My Hyundai has genuine nappa leather, the BMW has artificial leather.
For me, I wouldn't own a Hyundai. EV or not. Have owned several VW's and all have been flawless. Picked up our 2023 ID 4 PRO S AWD yesterday 7/25/23. $12,500 off this vehicle on a 3 year lease. $7,500 EV Credit and $5,000 dealer discount. So very affordable. Has the newest software I have heard about, 3.5.0. Isn't "Buggy" actually works flawless. It's not laggy at all. So there ya go.
ID.4 in B-mode has adequate one-pedal driving - a bit on the weaker side but well balanced and easy to adopt to. In Europe you can couple it with the adaptive regen also, so that it will regen for cars, roundabouts etc in addition to lift of regen. In D mode it will coast but use regen on the brake pedal until a certain threshold where mechanical brakes is used.
Thanks for this vid. This made me have a better understanding of the Ioniq 5 and would prefer it over the ID4. Love that non-metallic gray on the Ioniq 5.
I’ve been living with the ID.4 for about 3 months now, and while I appreciate many things about it (interior space, the unlimited free EA charging for 2021 models, the versatility and ride height), the IONIQ5 is clearly a superior product by almost all measures. I know it’s a sore subject at this point, but the ID.4 infotainment is borderline unusable. It has been desperately in need of a software update for almost a year now. Anecdotal, but my particular ID.4 has spent almost two entire weeks at the dealer (and is currently there now), fixing random rattles and creaks; build quality issues that historically haven’t plagued Korean products as much as VW.
Anecdotal my ID.4 has no issue after the first week. There was a check engine ( yes they use check engine icon ) after three days it was declared a non-issue. Have not had an issue since. And I think the noise from the breaks Kyle mentioned is on all of them. It is on mine.
@@kronosaurelius yeah, I’ve had a few odd dash errors over the past few months, but none seemed to persist. The strangest one had to do with the directional headlights being disabled. The brake noise was kind of to be expected given the rear drums, so no issue there. The less tolerable noises were the sounds coming from the expanding/contracting of the tail light panel (which comes almost completely unseated on cold days), pano moonroof issues, etc.
The 2021 infotainment system sucks. I think it is limited by the poor processor and software. Software may help a little, and I hope it will make it more usable.
I test drove an id4 for the first time recently, and an ionic 5 the same day. I prefer the higher ride height of the ID four, but the info ment system is just a dealbreaker for me, which I think is amplified by the fact that I’ve driven a Model3 for the last three years. It really felt like an infotainment system pulled out of a four year old car. Some software improvements could happen, but I strongly suspect that it just doesn’t have much processing power in there, and thus the lag etc.
Areas I'm interested in during car comparison you mentioned at beginning of video... After Tesla V11 and Kia EV6 having to choose between controls for media or HVAC in center controls, I'm interested how easy and how well displayed are normal functions. Fan temp/speed, media volume, defroster, heated seats, viewing wh/mi efficiency, trip odometer while driving. How easily accessible and well presented are these necessary common functions. Also, which cars have heat pumps and well thought out battery temperature management.
IIRC on the Ioniq 5 only the AWD has a heat pump. What's more important IMO is who still keeps using PTC with a heat pump. The leaf got that right - Bjorn says it uses the PTC until the heat pump is ramped up.
I originally reserved both ID.4 and Ioniq 5, the Hyundai dealer want to add $5k markup, hate it, now I am happily driving my ID.4 around, really no complain
I live on a lake and have a 17’ motorboat to put in and take out of the water. The ID4 can trailer about 2000 lbs. It’s plenty fast for legal driving and I can put a roof rack on for skis and bikes. I’d enjoy the auto hold which I had on my BMW X3, but that’s not a deal breaker. Love the free charging on EA and can use Tesla destination chargers for free at lots of locations. ( I can drive 90 miles to a ski area, hook up while skiing, and it’s like free petrol!)
Can’t wait till you get an R1T to test more in depth! I’m all here for the “nerdy ev vibes” and am curious of what you think after you run your tests outside of a First Mile event
Thanks for your great review. I'm looking forward to your future review of the AWD ID.4 "power meter" and how quickly it gets to 60MPG if charged to 100%, 90%, 80% etc.
Leaning towards the ID4 at the moment as I see it as the most rounded and practical car and better value. Test drove one last week and also noted the lack of any way to put the parking brake on when stopped, then found what you mentioned: Europe has it. It looks like it's a software thing - will North American cars get an OTA for this and/or will newer models get it??
Definitely the best 'value' of the choices out there right now, especially if you figure-in the fact that with a little dealer-shopping and your reservation, id4's can apparently be had without dealer markups or add-ons in many cases. Also the best 'looking' EV, in my opinion. I just can't get past the infotainment system. Coming from three years in a Model 3, my expectations in that regard are really high.
My local Hyundai dealer in the Seattle burbs just got in a few of these 5s. I was actually glad to see the upper spec model without glass roof. Can't help but think of extra weight, noise intrusion and solar intrusion (despite what all the OEMs say).
Can the forward collision be turned off on the ioniq 5? On the 2019 kona ev it almost killed me by slamming on the brakes on the highway for no reason. It could only be turned off per drive, not permanently. Or another question is, have they improved it? The bolt ev has what I would consider much better forward collision. It warns me and only slams on brakes if 100% necessary.
My next ev I'll need range for longer traveling. Currently I have 22 MiniSE. Not into just charging to 85% too. Wouldn't faster charging degrade battery in IONIC 5? vs a relatively slower DC charge?
Just got my ID4 after binge watching your ev videos for a few months. And I absolutely love it!!! The ONLY thing I don’t like about it is the sun visors lol 😂 otherwise, love it
I discovered the power of Hyundai engineering when I worked for them a while back. Korean engineering is outstanding. With Hyundai's signature of exploring the future of mobility, they will contribute fairly in shaping the world transition to EVs and beyond.
Nice review Kyle. I've heard that the Ionic 5 only can update the infotainmentsystem over the air and not the rest of the car. Do you have other information?
If you drive the Ioniq 5 in the colder climates and if that door handle freezes over with ice...good luck getting it open. ID 4 door handle for the win.
Hi, Love your reviews. I am ready to get my first EV car. Have been driving my escape hybrid for the last 15 years and ready to upgrade. Deciding between the ID4 and the Ioniq 5 but my main concern is the seating height. I do not like low seats, it's harder to get in and out of the vehicle. Which of the 2 have a better seating height? Thank you.
Oh damn, the lane scooching thing was a complaint I had with my Subaru Eyesight system. The lane centering works great... until I'm next to a Semi and don't want to be exactly in the middle of the lane.
Picked up my ID4 about 6 weeks ago - very happy with it. More ground clearance, AWD, and looks were my major decision points. Some of us prefer the more traditional look of the ID4. As for charge speed - normal daily charging from home makes this irrelevant - on road trips, by the time I take my nature break and get back to the car it is charged so really not a factor.
@@torocars9227 They advertise it for what it can do - output for a power tool etc... One good use would be charge a home backup battery so you can keep the home fires burning. The real advantage will come, as Hyundai develops their V2H system with home inverter etc..
This is helpful! We have an ID.4 1st Edition that will be bought back by VW due to the lemon law. Debating whether to get an IONIQ 5 SEL or another ID.4. At the end of the day, it's largely about availability.
I found it much easier to find a ID4 at sticker than a Hyundai or Kia, in fact it's was difficult to find ANY dealer at $5k over, most were $8-10k over, add in the $3.5k price difference and were talking an extra $10 grand or $150 a month on a lease, so for $150 a month, they SHOULD be way better cars, the real question is are they worth $150 per month more.
On England the sticker price is the price, if a dealer should try and up the price he would get battered, I ordered my Id4 52 kw for £31000 and hopefully will get the car in April.
I'd like to know which ones have the lowest dealer markups. That Ioniq 5 is really $57K. I'm getting the ID4 Pro S at sticker for $48K. That's a $9K difference between the two.
Following the blogs, it seems that if one is patient, and lucky, an Ionic 5 SE or SEL can be had for $2,000 or $3,000 over MSRP, so as low as $48,000 or so. BUT, yes, my ID4 reservation is lined up with a dealer that is 'only' adding on a $995 paint protection package, and I have read plenty of blog posts that say that RWD id4's can be had without markup or addons. I'm leaving the reservation in place for now, because it's probably 6 - 8 months out, but I likely will not get an id4 because I much prefer the Ionic 5 and Ariya specs. (Much prefer the id4 looks though !)
These are the two I was down to. However the MAP pricing on the Ioniq pushed me into the ID4. Total price gap is currently about $10k all in. You can easily get the top of the line ID4 for less than the mid tier Ioniq.
I’m still waiting for my AWD id4 that I ordered since April 2021! So I’m getting a 2021 model in 2022. I wanted to cancel my order a long time ago but I can’t get anything in place of it cuz you can’t find a new car today. Very frustrating!
Bought VW id 4 pro S with 82kwh battery in December. Was able to get it for under 46k Pretty happy with it so far. Getting true mileage of about 180 miles for 80% charge. Like the one pedal drive and auto brake feature. Interactive system not as good as other car makers but not horrible. Fairly roomy interior. Great car for in town driving. Not sure it would be great for anything further than 150 miles. Free charging for 3 years is unlimited but only available in 30 minute increments. This was deal breaker for me. No more gas for me.
As far as I can tell, the VW site doesn't tell you range or efficiency where you build and price the ID4. Seems odd to not know the range when buying one.
Cool watching your channel. I just moved away from Fort Collins. Watching these videos make me miss it. I’m guessing you guys live or do business out of FOCO
From the spec, they both are great. I just can't get into my head that either a Hyundai or Kia is even the price. wise worth the cost. I am in line for an ID.4. And the charging curve for me is very good for the ID.4. Coming from a Bolt.
Our purchasing choice for 2022 is going to be between the Ionic5 and the Ariya. Sure hope that we have a chance to drive the Ariya before an ionic five limited is offered to us with no mark ups or add-ons
Just got a 2023 id.4 pro s comming from 2020 TLX A-Spec I love the suv feel of the ID.4 daughter just turned 1 I needed a bigger car that was high of the ground to access baby car seat easily where ionic 5 I felt was a little too small from the inside rear room space
Very good review of what I perceive as 2 very good cars. Believe I would go for the Hyundai. Together with Munro you are one of just a few US UA-camrs making sense.
I think a comparison of the most road trip worthy one. I have a Mach e and model y and I’m considering which is best for road trips, not only a network thing, though it is a factor, but the ability to add accessories like a roof rack or camping in the car and the ability to keep ourselves entertained or quicker charging. Maybe I’m asking for things I can already answer somewhat, but I’m asking anyways for that comparison. I think if we could add wheels into the comparison so there could be light off-roady things thrown at it… just some thoughts.
Great Review - one question reviewers never answer - how does the EV cope with High Heat environments? My Nissan Leaf recently cut my available HP/Power due to hot batteries - am not long distance road tripping, was just urban driving around town, 114 degrees outside and the thing cut into tortoise mode with no warning and it was very frustrating as the last leg was freeway for 3 miles to get to my exit, how do these cars cool batteries whilst driving?
Hello. I have put in my reservation on the ID4. Maybe you could get VW to come on your channel and explain and help update their reservation portal with better updates and status. Their site is horrible. We should be able to see where we stand on the reservation time line. I almost cancelled and bought a model 3. Thank you for all the great videos.
How's the ergonomy? I'm asking because I've notice in the Ioniq 5 that you seems to have the knees almost in the dash. Could be because you had a tall person behind you but the wheel seems too close to the dash to be confortable if you were to move the seat further back. Situation could be the same in the ID4, haven't notice. I had a prius 2010 and now a prius V 2017 and it's one thing I dislike about toyota despite having the trim with telescopic wheel. Like I hear someone said: with toyota, you either need long legs or short arms... thanks
IONIQ 5 is what I’d pick. ID.4 is great, but the 800v system, the sick styling, and the spacious interior are phenomenal, and it’s just an overall fantastic package. It’s the best attempt from an automaker that isn’t Tesla at capturing that “iPhone of vehicles” vibe.
I believe it is I-70 between the West Denver foothills and Frisco. I think it is on the West (Frisco side) of the Eisenhower Tunnel - EDIT Somebody below said Fort Collins so I'm not sure.
One benefit of ID is that you get 3 year free ev fast charging with electrify canada, and a lot of vw dealers in Canada have a fast charge at their parking space. some are free and some are exclusive for VW cars depends on which dealer. I live in a condo, there is no way I can charge it at home. So locations of those chargers is kinda important so, leaning more towards Id.
My daily commute to work is 65 miles one way and I drive on average 140 miles a day 5 times a week. With that said, I cruise around 70MPH most of my commute. I have a Model Y ordered, but I do like what Hyundai/Kia is offering with the Ioniq 5 and EV6. I just don't have enough input and hope that you can guide me to the right platform. I did own a 2021 Model Y, but I was just not ready for a EV then. Now I think it is time.
Two of my favorite EVs in this segment. What a hard choice! No wonder so many of you ask me about which to buy 🚙💨
The ID.4 I test drove last year felt really underpowered compared to the weight of the car. That was the RWD version with 0-62 in 8.5 seconds. It's also got a bit more of a fossil car feel to it, I think VW are aiming to make it a smooth transition from something like a Tiguan. Pretty good choice for the suburbs or even as the single family car (depending on the charging infrastructure).
The Ioniq 5 RWD I ended up buying feels a lot more powerful, even though 0-62 is only a bit faster at 7.4 seconds. In terms of cargo space, the Ioniq 5 is surprisingly large, especially when you slide the rear seats forward. And in the EU RWD the frunk is bigger and actually useful. However, if you need the legroom in the Ioniq 5 and don't slide the seats forward, the ID.4 definitely has a bigger and more useful boot.
What clinched it for me is the faster charging, as I do a lot of mileage per year, including long day trips. having the shorter charging sessions means not having to hang around waiting for the car to charge. It's done charging in the time it takes us to go to the loo, have a coffee and stretch out for a couple of minutes. No time loss compared to the regular breaks we did with a fossil car.
There are a couple of things I don't like that much in the Ioniq 5 however:
- poor aerodynamics which really impacts motorway range,
- only getting the 72.6 kWh battery in Europe (compared to the 77.4 kWh battery you're getting in the USA),
- no OTA updates for the drive systems (OTA will only be enabled for Infotainment and Navigation)
- the placement of the Bose subwoofer in the underfloor compartment is frankly moronic,
- there's some interior rattling that still needs to be fixed,
- the fact that you have to use the USB port under the dash for Android Auto (not the one in the console. Although supposedly wireless Android Auto should be enabled by an update),
- no automated trip planning with charging stops (although might come with an update),
- slower charging in cold conditions (update has been promised by Hyundai to preheat the battery).
Overall pretty happy, and also happy to report that there have already been some updates to the Infotainment and Navigation (although not yet OTA). Biggest disappointment is the fact that they cancelled the automatic pop-out door handles in the Netherlands (and some other countries as well). These manual door handles are very hard to use in the dark; they're the same colour as the door and there's no welcome light shining on them. Anyway, I'm getting some refund for that omission.
@@bilgyno1 I have booked an AWD ID.4. Hopefully the AWD will help with the underpower issue of RWD. Ioniq 5 seems interesting, but I am not a big fan of the hatchback cars and the interior design such as big bezel screens and circular shape handle. I do like the rear vents location and fast charging. I just prefer a SUV style of ID.4. I don't go on road trips much, and I can charge at home, so I think I can get by with ID.4.
@@acefr8816 yes, if you can charge at home, work or on the street nearby the ID.4 is a very good choice too IMO. It's just great that we finally have more choice
@@bilgyno1 Slow, not underpowered. No problems keeping the pace up a steep hill at any speeds.
I can’t wait for you to test the Texas Model Y with 4680 and the new AMD cpu and whatever else it’s hiding.
I’m a VW guy but bought the Ioniq 5. I’m a road tripper so the crazy fast 800 volt charging was a game changer. 10 to 80% in 18 minutes. I have seen 233kw! The car is so smooth and quiet and I love the roomy comfy interior.
How much price you paid for IONIQ5? In Seattle dealers are asking for 10k above asking price which is way too much for me.
@@haroonmansi it's a sellers market. if you want it you will pay for it.
I bought last week Ioniq 5 limited so nice car ,, paid ,,$60K In NJ
@@jinlee2155 60k before tax credit? If so around 54k is great price for that vehicle. I would love to get one at that price :)
@@haroonmansi nj ev car no tax and fed tax credit $7500
I really enjoy my ID.4, but I want an Ioniq 5.
Haven't driven, or even seen, either car but from reviews and on paper I feel I'd go Ioniq 5 just for a bit more potential future proofing. I also think it's the best styled car I've seen in a couple decades.
I put 15,000 miles on my ID4. Sold it and bought Ioniq 5. It does everything the ID does but slightly better. I don’t miss the ID at this point.
im dead lol
Did you get to keep your 3 years free charging?
@@mavcruise no. Best I could tell, it was tied to the VIN of the VW.
Hey Forrest, I am buying an Ionic 5 today. I had an ID4 for 3 months and got hit back in December. After two months they finally decided to total it. What do you find are the big plusses of the i5 over the ID4 for you?
@@michaeljflagg In no real order…charging speed, infotainment (minus for not being wireless, but I use an adapter), driver aides are smoother, brakes don’t make noise, one pedal driving that’s very customizable, driver aides that remain off when I turn them off. I did go from RWD ID4 to AWD I5 so power is awesome, but not apples to apples. It’s not that the ID was terrible, it just small things added up to being unhappy with it. 1,000 miles in with I5, very pleased.
Tested both, bought an Ioniq 5, having had it a week, no regrets, its better in every way
I'm from Canada and I just ordered an Ionic 5 Long Range with the Ultimate package. I did a test drive and I just fell in love. I'm a big fan of Tesla and I was hopping for the come back of the Model Y Standard Range. Apparently not this year. But who cares! The Ionic 5 is even better at many aspects. Thanks for the nice review. It confirmed my choice ;-)
After 4 VWs in a row I ordered an ID4 and got the phone call from my dealer that it had arrived. So excited. Went with checkbook in hand and did my test drive and instead of taking it home, I waited 7 more months and got an EV6 instead. I didn't like the ID4's gradual power delivery. Seemed frustratingly limited by software. Also couldn't stomach the ergonomics for climate control and on steering wheel. The EV6 I'm extremely happy with. I am addicted to the comfort and instant passing ability.
Auto-hold braking at intersections + 1 pedal driving are major advantages of the Ioniq5/EV6 (especially in busy cities)!
The next OTA update for the ID.4 will enable auto hold
@@DeniJasmina that's great news! Auto-hold in the ID.4-- now we just need to see the reveal of the ID Buzz! (Hopefully vw will have vehicle to load feature)
@@R56Cooper Funny that the ID.4 doesn't have auto hold, given that it is on the e-Golf.
And Just for your correction on the Ioniq5 HTrac configuration, Even when in ECO MODE, THE AWD IS ALWAYS ACTIVE full time from a start, until 15MPH is reached. THEN disconnects, hence expected range drop. This is clearly shown on the main speedometer screen with the 4 wheel power distribution regen graph.
Can’t wait for the BIG test! You’ll probably be the first reviewers to do a mega test with loads of EVs together. I think Carwow has come closest so far, but it was really only a range test. I reckon I already know the winner…something with a 6 in the name.
You're an amazing guy.
Very honest reviews. Very...Very honest.
Simply...one of the best on UA-cam
The basic idea of the rear drum brakes in MEB cars is not low cost as much as it is rust prevention. The brakes, expecially rear brakes are used so much less in an EV than an ICE car because of regenning that at least in some climates the disk brakes tend to get rusty. Living in a country with such a climate I would also miss a rear screen wiper in the Ionic 5. But both are great cars, although I'd go for the EV6 rather than the Ionic 5 simply because of the styling.
Yeah, VW says they are lifetime brakes on the rear. Whether that winds up the case is obviously unknown.
They should just delete the rear brakes like formula e is about to do with the new gen 3 car. Then move the front brakes to inboard designs.
After 3 winters of horrible squeaky surface-rusted disc brakes on my Kona, I'm good and ready for some drums. It sounds like a 20 year old Pontiac when I'm in parking lots. During winter months, every morning I need to shift into neutral while driving at 50 km/h and slam the brakes just to get the squeaky surface rust and grit off the rotors.
The lack of a rear wiper on the Ioniq 5 is a major drawback in comparison with the Id.4. To my way of thinking, it is a safety issue. Authorities don't allow cars without rearview mirrors. Why should they allow them with rear windows made opaque by poorly engineered designs?
Kyle, I'm currently waiting for my I.D. 4 Pro S. I locked my order about three weeks ago. The waiting time is about 3 to 4 months! Below, there is part of an email I have received from VW:
•ID.4 Pro starting MSRP of $40,760
•Expected improvements to the range and DC fast charging speed compared to MY21
•Latest software with benefits such as Auto Hold and Over-the-Air software update capability.
•3 years of included 30-minute charging sessions at Electrify America DC Fast Charging Stations at no additional cost.
So, It should have an Auto Hold function!
Same thing, locked in a pro gradient awd a few weeks ago after ordering in late October. Same email. But delivery is mid year. Which now makes me want to go scout the Hyundai dealer here.
I am on the list for Ioniq 5 Limited. I am 5'11" and Ioniq 5 is the only car that doesn't bother my knees hitting or rubbing against the center console. It is so much more comfortable on all driving conditions.
Two great EVs! After watching all these videos for so long and finally getting my AWD ID.4 (after a year on the reservation list), I've got to say that Out of Spec's videos have been the most bang-on and useful. I juxtaposed those reviews against what I had decided was and was not important to me. Its been bang on. I've been so happy playing around with this vehicle!
The modern relevancy of your comments make me feel a bit old. Even though I'm a total tech nerd (programmer and digital circuit design my whole life). Sure, I've driven Tesla's and newer Audi's (my brother is big car nerd), but for my personal ownership I'm basically coming from a 22 year old gasoline A6 2.7T. Not a meek car by any means, but a lot has changed over the last 22 years!
I loved your comment about USB-A. I still use USB-A (!)(!). Only two of our devices are USB-C (a newer mac and newer ipad). All of our lightning and micro-usb cords are USB-A, so I had to buy a few adapters for the ID.4's USB-C ports. It took me about a week to get used to the extreme level of integration too. On the ID.4 with wireless car-play and proximity key sensing I don't have to take anything out of my pockets or fiddle. Not my phone, not my keys, nothing. I just walk up to the car, open the door, get in, and go. The ID.4 is ready to drive in literally 2 seconds. By the time I get to the stop sign at the end of the street, its GUI is fully operational and car-play has connected and is showing the map. All without me having to fiddle with anything.
But then we get into other things that I don't care about so much. I like to drive... lane keeping is something I might use occasionally but frankly it isn't as smooth as manual driving for my passengers. I was initially unimpressed with the radar following cruise control, but eventually found a decent setting using custom mode.
I love comfort mode for the accelerator peddle but use sport mode for everything else. For sure. The seats are to die for... they're really nice on the trim level I got (since I wanted the King's Red, I pretty much went all-out on the AWD trim and I don't regret it at all). The biggest surprise I had was that ... I wound up really not caring about the slowness of the UI and infotainment system. I barely need to touch it since everything I care about runs from my iphone. That was probably my biggest worry going in because so many UA-cam channels remarked on it. But its been a total non-issue for me (the car came with 2.1. I am eagerly, but not rabidly, awaiting OTA updates).
Coming from a gasoline car.. or more specifically, a manual gasoline sportscar, figuring out the D mode, B mode, and braking action was probably my second worry. It isn't perfect by any means, but I think criticisms were also overstated on various UA-cam channels. To be honest, I far prefer D mode over B mode. I think I would like B mode better if there were a little more play in the peddle for coasting but it flips into regen too quickly as you lift your foot off and is not nearly as smooth for passengers as D mode where you coast. I don't mind hitting the brakes for regen. When I intend to regen a very long time I either let the cruise control handle it or I flip it into B mode. But for most everyday driving D mode is both more comfortable and appears to be more efficient too (when one can judge when coasting works, its going to be more efficient than cycling the electric motor).
I would like VW to work on regen-v-physical-brakes mixing. The brake peddle is tuned fairly well but it could be better. If there were anything on my wish list at all it would be to have a manual traction control where I could tell the car which wheels to drive (have the car just clamp the brakes down on the wheels that I don't want to turn). True 4WD is not something I want in a vehicle like this, but having fine control in 'stuck' situations would be a nice thing to have.
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For me the IONIQ 5 was intriguing, but a bit too new and untested. Kinda like the Mach-E. I wound up trusting VW's ability and promises more than I did Hyundai or Ford (I have a particular distrust of Ford, to be honest). I also like the lines of the ID.4 far better. Its a beautiful vehicle that really shows in the King's Red that I got. As an electrical engineer I knew for absolute certain that the IONIQ's 800V architecture would maintain power to the motors better and be able to charge faster, but those are mostly non-issues for me these days. The IONIQ is definitely a more geeky car and if I were 20 years younger I'd probably have chosen it instead. But my days of going 154 mph are long over (and I survived so.... feather). Kinda like when I was a slalom skier in my 20's and switched to snowboarding in my 30's because I was just having to go too fast on skis to have fun, whereas on the snowboard one can have fun going just about any speed (and ripping it down a freshly groomed slope, or on fresh powder, is actually more exciting on a snowboard than on skis). Same with cars, it seems. Fancy that!
Keep up the videos!
-Matt
Amazing comment.
Love your detailed experience review. Thank You 😊
Thanks for that comment ❤️
The ID.4, Ionic 5, and EV6 are all on my list to look at used in maybe 3 years. We'll see what else pops up between now and then, but I would love either one of these. Nice video, I appreciate hearing the honest opinions.
Three years is a great timeframe to buy a used EV, assuming used car prices are back to their pre-covid levels. (Sure seems like they should be by that time, right ?!?
Horrible Idea buying used. You don’t get incentives or federal rebates
@@notyetperfect6769 All depends on the price, obviously.
In this current market, it is not ideal.
@@notyetperfect6769 Those are good points, we'll see what pricing looks like at the time. Buying new isn't always in the budget.
Will people STOP paying over MSRP!!!!!!!! That's just freaking DUMB!!!!!!!!!!
Thorough and very deep dive in both cars. Insightful explanations. Quality content. Great added value to my benchmark. Thanks
Thanks for this video, i was waiting for this head to head comparison because i also have a love for both cars!
I drove an ID.4 when I was cross-shopping, and though it's a fine car, I found it a tad slow and I wasn't crazy about the infotainment design and about VW's approach to managing regen. I eventually bought a car before the IONIQ went on sale but it is a very intriguing car indeed along with its KIA sibling.
Love your enthusiasstic and comprehensive reviews. I'd sure like to see a ID4 VS Audi Q4 Etron comparison.
Have an id4 awd pro gradient on order due in mid 2022. Had sat in the Hyundai last fall at an EV show here in Denver. Liked it but not being sold so we ordered the VW. Watched your reviews and comparisons today. Still think I like the VW but will be checking in with the Hyundai dealer later this week. Thanks. Really like your reviews. So much fun. And happiness.
As for the roof racks: in Europe there are already some options to put roof racks on the Ioniq 5. The roof is rated to carry up to 80 kg / 175 lbs load while driving.
I will say that I am a bit bummed out by the roof rack situation with the Hyundai. For a family road trip we would need to put a box on it with some cargo up there. I suspect that would exceed 175 pounds very easily. Sounds like the European solution you mention is more for bicycles and stuff like that
@@amigajoe actually, most roof boxes here are rated for 75 Kg, and the roofs normally can carry 100 Kg. So, the I5 is rated for a bit less, but it's easy to just put lighter items in the box, and stay within the rated capacity. This is the load while driving, and when stationary it should be possible to mount a roof tent (but obviously no company rates their roofs for that use).
I am very happy that I got my Mach E one year ago before the ADM frenzy. There's no way that I would hand any dealer $5000 or anything over MSRP.
Smart dealers gladly taking money from the dumb and wasteful market participants.
The Hyundai is more premium, better charging technology and better warranty. As a someone who drives from north to Florida regularly, the winner is clearly the Ioniq.
Except for a year LESS of free charging !
Hyundai and premium?!? lmao ok
@Kumar This is a very ignorant comment. I drive a 3 series. My Santafe is a lot better and definitely more premium. My Hyundai has genuine nappa leather, the BMW has artificial leather.
@@Kumar-bg6nr you must be 80 years old man???
Plastic koreean now is premium? Hahaha. I drove kona, man what a cheap car, felt cheaper than Dacia lol.
For me, I wouldn't own a Hyundai. EV or not. Have owned several VW's and all have been flawless. Picked up our 2023 ID 4 PRO S AWD yesterday 7/25/23. $12,500 off this vehicle on a 3 year lease. $7,500 EV Credit and $5,000 dealer discount. So very affordable. Has the newest software I have heard about, 3.5.0. Isn't "Buggy" actually works flawless. It's not laggy at all. So there ya go.
ID.4 in B-mode has adequate one-pedal driving - a bit on the weaker side but well balanced and easy to adopt to. In Europe you can couple it with the adaptive regen also, so that it will regen for cars, roundabouts etc in addition to lift of regen. In D mode it will coast but use regen on the brake pedal until a certain threshold where mechanical brakes is used.
Thanks for this vid. This made me have a better understanding of the Ioniq 5 and would prefer it over the ID4. Love that non-metallic gray on the Ioniq 5.
Thank you for this as it’s info that’s needed out there!
I’ve been living with the ID.4 for about 3 months now, and while I appreciate many things about it (interior space, the unlimited free EA charging for 2021 models, the versatility and ride height), the IONIQ5 is clearly a superior product by almost all measures. I know it’s a sore subject at this point, but the ID.4 infotainment is borderline unusable. It has been desperately in need of a software update for almost a year now.
Anecdotal, but my particular ID.4 has spent almost two entire weeks at the dealer (and is currently there now), fixing random rattles and creaks; build quality issues that historically haven’t plagued Korean products as much as VW.
Anecdotal my ID.4 has no issue after the first week. There was a check engine ( yes they use check engine icon ) after three days it was declared a non-issue. Have not had an issue since.
And I think the noise from the breaks Kyle mentioned is on all of them. It is on mine.
@@kronosaurelius yeah, I’ve had a few odd dash errors over the past few months, but none seemed to persist. The strangest one had to do with the directional headlights being disabled.
The brake noise was kind of to be expected given the rear drums, so no issue there. The less tolerable noises were the sounds coming from the expanding/contracting of the tail light panel (which comes almost completely unseated on cold days), pano moonroof issues, etc.
The 2021 infotainment system sucks. I think it is limited by the poor processor and software. Software may help a little, and I hope it will make it more usable.
I'm 15,000 miles in on my ID.4 that I bought in June. Not one issue yet. I think you got the one assembled right after lunch on a Friday.
I test drove an id4 for the first time recently, and an ionic 5 the same day. I prefer the higher ride height of the ID four, but the info ment system is just a dealbreaker for me, which I think is amplified by the fact that I’ve driven a Model3 for the last three years. It really felt like an infotainment system pulled out of a four year old car. Some software improvements could happen, but I strongly suspect that it just doesn’t have much processing power in there, and thus the lag etc.
Areas I'm interested in during car comparison you mentioned at beginning of video...
After Tesla V11 and Kia EV6 having to choose between controls for media or HVAC in center controls, I'm interested how easy and how well displayed are normal functions. Fan temp/speed, media volume, defroster, heated seats, viewing wh/mi efficiency, trip odometer while driving.
How easily accessible and well presented are these necessary common functions.
Also, which cars have heat pumps and well thought out battery temperature management.
IIRC on the Ioniq 5 only the AWD has a heat pump. What's more important IMO is who still keeps using PTC with a heat pump. The leaf got that right - Bjorn says it uses the PTC until the heat pump is ramped up.
Great comparison. I’m a hatchback guy at heart so I’d lean ioniq 5. Love the styling!
I originally reserved both ID.4 and Ioniq 5, the Hyundai dealer want to add $5k markup, hate it, now I am happily driving my ID.4 around, really no complain
Ioniq is the superior of the two, the EV6 is also an amazing-looking car.
you crazy?
@@tk6729 no, VW always have issues
I live on a lake and have a 17’ motorboat to put in and take out of the water. The ID4 can trailer about 2000 lbs. It’s plenty fast for legal driving and I can put a roof rack on for skis and bikes. I’d enjoy the auto hold which I had on my BMW X3, but that’s not a deal breaker. Love the free charging on EA and can use Tesla destination chargers for free at lots of locations. ( I can drive 90 miles to a ski area, hook up while skiing, and it’s like free petrol!)
You can put a Thule roof rack and roof box on the ioniq. They have a kit available.
Can’t wait till you get an R1T to test more in depth! I’m all here for the “nerdy ev vibes” and am curious of what you think after you run your tests outside of a First Mile event
Something to consider in comparisons is seat to ground height also in these CUV's
Thanks for your great review. I'm looking forward to your future review of the AWD ID.4 "power meter" and how quickly it gets to 60MPG if charged to 100%, 90%, 80% etc.
Leaning towards the ID4 at the moment as I see it as the most rounded and practical car and better value. Test drove one last week and also noted the lack of any way to put the parking brake on when stopped, then found what you mentioned: Europe has it. It looks like it's a software thing - will North American cars get an OTA for this and/or will newer models get it??
Definitely the best 'value' of the choices out there right now, especially if you figure-in the fact that with a little dealer-shopping and your reservation, id4's can apparently be had without dealer markups or add-ons in many cases. Also the best 'looking' EV, in my opinion. I just can't get past the infotainment system. Coming from three years in a Model 3, my expectations in that regard are really high.
Nice one just running comparo ourselves for 3 evs as well !
My local Hyundai dealer in the Seattle burbs just got in a few of these 5s.
I was actually glad to see the upper spec model without glass roof.
Can't help but think of extra weight, noise intrusion and solar intrusion (despite what all the OEMs say).
Its got clamshell electric closing glass roof shades. I'm a sucker for something like that.
Can the forward collision be turned off on the ioniq 5? On the 2019 kona ev it almost killed me by slamming on the brakes on the highway for no reason. It could only be turned off per drive, not permanently. Or another question is, have they improved it? The bolt ev has what I would consider much better forward collision. It warns me and only slams on brakes if 100% necessary.
My next ev I'll need range for longer traveling. Currently I have 22 MiniSE. Not into just charging to 85% too. Wouldn't faster charging degrade battery in IONIC 5? vs a relatively slower DC charge?
Just got my ID4 after binge watching your ev videos for a few months. And I absolutely love it!!! The ONLY thing I don’t like about it is the sun visors lol 😂 otherwise, love it
Which has the better headlights? And do either have front passanger seat lumbar support?
I discovered the power of Hyundai engineering when I worked for them a while back. Korean engineering is outstanding. With Hyundai's signature of exploring the future of mobility, they will contribute fairly in shaping the world transition to EVs and beyond.
It it was a while back.... Then they were rubbish. They only got their act together with this ONE EV.
Thanks for the video . Does id 4 youse more KWh with the roof box fitted?
Nice review Kyle. I've heard that the Ionic 5 only can update the infotainmentsystem over the air and not the rest of the car. Do you have other information?
If you drive the Ioniq 5 in the colder climates and if that door handle freezes over with ice...good luck getting it open. ID 4 door handle for the win.
Have a reservation for the id4 but chose it over the ioniq 5 for a couple reasons and one big one being the glass roof!
Ioniq 5 give you Taycan charging and super cool styling with 1/3 the price
Hi, Love your reviews. I am ready to get my first EV car. Have been driving my escape hybrid for the last 15 years and ready to upgrade. Deciding between the ID4 and the Ioniq 5 but my main concern is the seating height. I do not like low seats, it's harder to get in and out of the vehicle. Which of the 2 have a better seating height? Thank you.
i was waiting for this. Thanks Kyle!. I have an ID4 AWD on order. Ioniq 5 is really tempting.
Oh damn, the lane scooching thing was a complaint I had with my Subaru Eyesight system. The lane centering works great... until I'm next to a Semi and don't want to be exactly in the middle of the lane.
Picked up my ID4 about 6 weeks ago - very happy with it. More ground clearance, AWD, and looks were my major decision points. Some of us prefer the more traditional look of the ID4. As for charge speed - normal daily charging from home makes this irrelevant - on road trips, by the time I take my nature break and get back to the car it is charged so really not a factor.
Lane changing is suppose to be coming in 2022 to the ID.x in an over the air update.
The Ionic also has vehicle to load charging so it can almost act like a small home generator in a pinch.
False advertisement. It may run a few lampshades…. Ford is doing the same false advertisement on their F150 lighting.
@@torocars9227 They advertise it for what it can do - output for a power tool etc... One good use would be charge a home backup battery so you can keep the home fires burning. The real advantage will come, as Hyundai develops their V2H system with home inverter etc..
@@torocars9227 It can run a microwave, portable grill, and rice cooker at the same time.
@@torocars9227 F150 lightning v2l is 19.2kW (about 480 lampshades)
Hows the audio systems in these I need my S.O.S band and Kraftwerk?
This is helpful! We have an ID.4 1st Edition that will be bought back by VW due to the lemon law. Debating whether to get an IONIQ 5 SEL or another ID.4. At the end of the day, it's largely about availability.
How lemony is it?
I found it much easier to find a ID4 at sticker than a Hyundai or Kia, in fact it's was difficult to find ANY dealer at $5k over, most were $8-10k over, add in the $3.5k price difference and were talking an extra $10 grand or $150 a month on a lease, so for $150 a month, they SHOULD be way better cars, the real question is are they worth $150 per month more.
So far, I’ve seen lots of American test of the Ioniq5 but non show the vehicle to Load versatility and adapter?
On England the sticker price is the price, if a dealer should try and up the price he would get battered, I ordered my Id4 52 kw for £31000 and hopefully will get the car in April.
I'd like to know which ones have the lowest dealer markups. That Ioniq 5 is really $57K. I'm getting the ID4 Pro S at sticker for $48K. That's a $9K difference between the two.
Following the blogs, it seems that if one is patient, and lucky, an Ionic 5 SE or SEL can be had for $2,000 or $3,000 over MSRP, so as low as $48,000 or so. BUT, yes, my ID4 reservation is lined up with a dealer that is 'only' adding on a $995 paint protection package, and I have read plenty of blog posts that say that RWD id4's can be had without markup or addons. I'm leaving the reservation in place for now, because it's probably 6 - 8 months out, but I likely will not get an id4 because I much prefer the Ionic 5 and Ariya specs. (Much prefer the id4 looks though !)
3 years free charging too Ioniq 5
When you do the big comparison between all of the SUV/CUV, it would be nice if the info was on a spreadsheet that could be downloaded
When you do the suv ev comparison -- please show the cargo floor with seats down and measurement. Thx for all the great reviews.
These are the two I was down to. However the MAP pricing on the Ioniq pushed me into the ID4. Total price gap is currently about $10k all in. You can easily get the top of the line ID4 for less than the mid tier Ioniq.
This! This is why I went ID4. Plus, not super into the 80’s esq spacey design of the exterior of the ioniq
I’m still waiting for my AWD id4 that I ordered since April 2021! So I’m getting a 2021 model in 2022. I wanted to cancel my order a long time ago but I can’t get anything in place of it cuz you can’t find a new car today. Very frustrating!
Bought VW id 4 pro S with 82kwh battery in December. Was able to get it for under 46k
Pretty happy with it so far. Getting true mileage of about 180 miles for 80% charge.
Like the one pedal drive and auto brake feature. Interactive system not as good as other car makers but not horrible. Fairly roomy interior. Great car for in town driving. Not sure it would be great for anything further than 150 miles.
Free charging for 3 years is unlimited but only available in 30 minute increments.
This was deal breaker for me. No more gas for me.
As far as I can tell, the VW site doesn't tell you range or efficiency where you build and price the ID4. Seems odd to not know the range when buying one.
Cool watching your channel. I just moved away from Fort Collins. Watching these videos make me miss it. I’m guessing you guys live or do business out of FOCO
Kyle, On the ID4 was it colder in the car due to the glass roof?
Damn, I asked for this less than 24 hours ago. Nice
Which has the cheaper spare parts , especially the exteriors body parts?
Is a 0-100% DC charging curve for the ioniq 5 coming?
Great video 7 months with my ID4 still loving it.
I love the Ioniq 5 now question. Big difference between both in price as well.
From the spec, they both are great. I just can't get into my head that either a Hyundai or Kia is even the price. wise worth the cost. I am in line for an ID.4. And the charging curve for me is very good for the ID.4. Coming from a Bolt.
Would you buy a Ionic 5 if it couldn’t be serviced in your home state? I’m visiting Fl right now and live in Wisconsin.
I heard the suspension of the ID4 is not comfortable in many reviews; by comparing it to Ioniq 5 is there a big difference?
Our purchasing choice for 2022 is going to be between the Ionic5 and the Ariya. Sure hope that we have a chance to drive the Ariya before an ionic five limited is offered to us with no mark ups or add-ons
Just got a 2023 id.4 pro s comming from 2020 TLX A-Spec I love the suv feel of the ID.4 daughter just turned 1 I needed a bigger car that was high of the ground to access baby car seat easily where ionic 5 I felt was a little too small from the inside rear room space
Very good review of what I perceive as 2 very good cars. Believe I would go for the Hyundai. Together with Munro you are one of just a few US UA-camrs making sense.
I think a comparison of the most road trip worthy one. I have a Mach e and model y and I’m considering which is best for road trips, not only a network thing, though it is a factor, but the ability to add accessories like a roof rack or camping in the car and the ability to keep ourselves entertained or quicker charging.
Maybe I’m asking for things I can already answer somewhat, but I’m asking anyways for that comparison. I think if we could add wheels into the comparison so there could be light off-roady things thrown at it… just some thoughts.
Ionic 5 does not have a rear window wiper. Does it have a rear window defroster?
Great Review - one question reviewers never answer - how does the EV cope with High Heat environments? My Nissan Leaf recently cut my available HP/Power due to hot batteries - am not long distance road tripping, was just urban driving around town, 114 degrees outside and the thing cut into tortoise mode with no warning and it was very frustrating as the last leg was freeway for 3 miles to get to my exit, how do these cars cool batteries whilst driving?
Hello. I have put in my reservation on the ID4. Maybe you could get VW to come on your channel and explain and help update their reservation portal with better updates and status. Their site is horrible. We should be able to see where we stand on the reservation time line. I almost cancelled and bought a model 3. Thank you for all the great videos.
How's the ergonomy? I'm asking because I've notice in the Ioniq 5 that you seems to have the knees almost in the dash. Could be because you had a tall person behind you but the wheel seems too close to the dash to be confortable if you were to move the seat further back.
Situation could be the same in the ID4, haven't notice.
I had a prius 2010 and now a prius V 2017 and it's one thing I dislike about toyota despite having the trim with telescopic wheel. Like I hear someone said: with toyota, you either need long legs or short arms...
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IONIQ 5 is what I’d pick. ID.4 is great, but the 800v system, the sick styling, and the spacious interior are phenomenal, and it’s just an overall fantastic package. It’s the best attempt from an automaker that isn’t Tesla at capturing that “iPhone of vehicles” vibe.
Sick styling? How do you think that 60s space ship will look in 2 years. "dated" comes to mind
I just placed order for ID.4 AWD Pro because of good price, SUV ride, free charge, tax credit rebate,higher ground clearance, and good on snow.
V2L on the Hyundai - or is this only in the up-spec model?
I probably missed it in past reviews but where in Colorado was this filmed? Very scenic.
I believe it is I-70 between the West Denver foothills and Frisco. I think it is on the West (Frisco side) of the Eisenhower Tunnel - EDIT Somebody below said Fort Collins so I'm not sure.
Constructive and insightful comparison with a
sprinkle of EV nerdism - great video !
which one has better build quality and reliability?
As someone who lives in Arizona, I can only buy the Ioniq 5 Limited, very specifically for the air vents to the back row that are in a good location.
One benefit of ID is that you get 3 year free ev fast charging with electrify canada, and a lot of vw dealers in Canada have a fast charge at their parking space. some are free and some are exclusive for VW cars depends on which dealer. I live in a condo, there is no way I can charge it at home. So locations of those chargers is kinda important so, leaning more towards Id.
i prefer the lower seating also. I have a Tesla 3 LR now but the 5 would be a good choice when replacing.
Does the ID4 have ventilated seats? Personally, I’d take ventilated seats over massaging seats any day, but then again, I live TX, not CO. 😉
My daily commute to work is 65 miles one way and I drive on average 140 miles a day 5 times a week. With that said, I cruise around 70MPH most of my commute. I have a Model Y ordered, but I do like what Hyundai/Kia is offering with the Ioniq 5 and EV6. I just don't have enough input and hope that you can guide me to the right platform. I did own a 2021 Model Y, but I was just not ready for a EV then. Now I think it is time.
Hey Kyle, as a nerd it would be nice when you talk about 800v systems that you explain you only pay for amps in heat which affects charging speed.