Excellent Video by George The Plumber!! My friends and I enjoy his videos. Very informative, and I'm glad I seen him using this Moen Chateau product because that was the solution I needed! I was contenplating trying to repair the old valve assembly which is an antique. Previous owners upgraded bathroom, but not the faucet! I just installed a Moen Chateau. My faucet assembly was shifted to the right of the spout and showerhead (not all aligned like in the video, so I knew going into this project I may need to open the wall in the closet which I had to do. I previously seen on an "Ask This Old House" episode that with the new plunger diverter on the spout (to send water to showerhead) that sometimes the showerhead will dribble when filling the tub because the water pressure in the house is too high so you need to lower the pressure just to the tub which requires dedicated valves to the tub so you are not reducing pressure other places. After seeing this, I was talking to a friend who also had this experience at his previous house so he had added valves, so my plan was to add valves up front just in case. Ultimately, I did not need to lower pressure so valves were not needed, but they are there now. Better safe than sorry. ***** My other experience was the pipe from the showerhead was too short after removing the old valve! The original American Standard mixing valve from 1980 had threaded fittings into the valve assembly, so these fittings were threaded into the valve and then the copper pipes were soldered into these fittings, so when I un-soldered the shower head pipe from the fitting the pipe was a little more than 1/2" too short for the new Moen valve. I could have further shortened the pipe and then used a 1" long piece of 1/2" copper along with a straight couplingn sleave (no stop type), but then iId be soldering up inside the wall which presented a much higher risk of fire. The wall was built with 2x3, not 2x4 (who does that!?. I decided to open the wall and do everything from the closet which made a much bigger project. I ended up framing and adding a piece of plywood for an access panel if needed in the future. Painted closet and that further added an improvement. To do it over, I would cut the access in from the closet from the start and not make such a large cutout in the shower wall. Nevertheless, this Moen product provided a great solution and upgrade. I definitely recommend this product! I'd also like to mention, I cut the hole in the wall using my Dremmel tool. Bathroom wall was a manufactured product that looks like marble.
Fantastic work George! I do these once every couple of months now that I'm on my own. Used to do 1 or 2 per week when I was working for the local corporate company. I'll be doing this exact job next week. Nice to brush up and prepare myself by watching this video! Thanks for posting!
I know, it looks like the beauty plate just screws into the valve body and that's what's securing it depth wise. Maybe I missed something in the fast forwarded portions.
That plate behind the handle, can you tell me how wide it is left to right? I forget what that's called but I have a two handle Moen set up, very old, and I hope this kit will cover the hole in the wall.
Master of masters, thanks for sharing your videos with us who haven't done this model replacement ; ) .... nice work, fire spraying, and cooling with spray after waiting the critical natural cooling to avoid cracks .... enjoyed watching it .... I use a board to protect the tub after learning that accidents do happen even to the experienced .... the world is already better with people like you and I.
@JesusHernandez-ll5ok you are yet another master of masters... thanks for noticing and pointing it out .... we have learned from you too master of masters .... we do learn even from the hating idi ots, don't we? ...
My tub spout versus the new chateau kit seems pretty close, think i could cut the cutouts a little high and move the valve up a bit? Im assuming i can redo the spout connection and add some space between the two
@@alancastle3917 the body is brass and don’t need to wrap it with wet rag I don’t use sharkbite what so ever and when a house is copper I put back copper
@@GeorgeThePlumberThanks! Is there a brand of diamond blade you like? What size is your angle grinder? I’m going to cut open ceramic tile tomorrow, I just make sure I’m prepared lol.
If 3/4 inch galvanized pipe was used for the tub spout as well as the pipe leading to the shower arm, can I replace those from the hole in the shower or will I also need to open up the wall behind the shower?
There’s a total rebuild kit for this Price Pfister valve that will last 10-15 years. New everything including handles. $38.00. Takes about 45 mins to install.
@@GeorgeThePlumber Hand me a set of plans and I’ll plumb that custom home from from the ground up, by myself. I ran tract housing jobs from 1979 to 2008 while plumbing customs on the weekends. Mostly major remodel since. Too expensive to build new custom homes here in Southern California … much more profit in remodeling existing homes.
I will be converting my shower stall from the old two handle valve to this single handle Moen conversion kit. The valve that came with the kit has a four port valve. I do not have a tub so should I be using a three port valve? I realize I can cap the tub port but will that change the performance of the four port valve? Thanks for the help.
You’re going to create mold conditions , wetting the wall that much !! And from the looks of it . There was already some blacking on the paper , which may be black mold .
What a great way to guarantee that the pipes will be clanking in the winter and they’ll have to call you to fix it. This is a horrible way to replace that valve.
With the Pex pipes,this transition could have been done faster without doing all that soldering with Cooper, time consumption was too long, with Pex, probably only 15 minutes, I must admit that you did a good job but with the new products on the market (Pex with sharkbite system is less time and quick installations
If the home had pex I would have used pex but sharkbite that’s a hard no All are home are copper and with that minimal space I’m working find copper in the easiest I have even pressed them but took longer on the install Time frame for install soldering is just over a hour
Excellent Video by George The Plumber!! My friends and I enjoy his videos. Very informative, and I'm glad I seen him using this Moen Chateau product because that was the solution I needed! I was contenplating trying to repair the old valve assembly which is an antique. Previous owners upgraded bathroom, but not the faucet! I just installed a Moen Chateau. My faucet assembly was shifted to the right of the spout and showerhead (not all aligned like in the video, so I knew going into this project I may need to open the wall in the closet which I had to do. I previously seen on an "Ask This Old House" episode that with the new plunger diverter on the spout (to send water to showerhead) that sometimes the showerhead will dribble when filling the tub because the water pressure in the house is too high so you need to lower the pressure just to the tub which requires dedicated valves to the tub so you are not reducing pressure other places. After seeing this, I was talking to a friend who also had this experience at his previous house so he had added valves, so my plan was to add valves up front just in case. Ultimately, I did not need to lower pressure so valves were not needed, but they are there now. Better safe than sorry. ***** My other experience was the pipe from the showerhead was too short after removing the old valve! The original American Standard mixing valve from 1980 had threaded fittings into the valve assembly, so these fittings were threaded into the valve and then the copper pipes were soldered into these fittings, so when I un-soldered the shower head pipe from the fitting the pipe was a little more than 1/2" too short for the new Moen valve. I could have further shortened the pipe and then used a 1" long piece of 1/2" copper along with a straight couplingn sleave (no stop type), but then iId be soldering up inside the wall which presented a much higher risk of fire. The wall was built with 2x3, not 2x4 (who does that!?. I decided to open the wall and do everything from the closet which made a much bigger project. I ended up framing and adding a piece of plywood for an access panel if needed in the future. Painted closet and that further added an improvement. To do it over, I would cut the access in from the closet from the start and not make such a large cutout in the shower wall. Nevertheless, this Moen product provided a great solution and upgrade. I definitely recommend this product! I'd also like to mention, I cut the hole in the wall using my Dremmel tool. Bathroom wall was a manufactured product that looks like marble.
I was wondering to do them not sped up for people to see the actual install
Great video! Learned a lot. Not a plumber but a homeowner who enjoys seeing this work done.
@@jimcarpenter2623 thanks will keep them coming
Nice I have been plumbing for 30 years and I learned something from your video thanks
Great kit
I'm not a plumber. But I just installed a garbage disposal in my shower. I now save so much time in the mornings😂
Haha
Okay Kramer!
You watch too much Seinfeld 😂
Fantastic work George! I do these once every couple of months now that I'm on my own. Used to do 1 or 2 per week when I was working for the local corporate company. I'll be doing this exact job next week. Nice to brush up and prepare myself by watching this video! Thanks for posting!
@@stevemarkovic9326 it’s really one of my favorite jobs
The cutoff tool is really nice. I gotta get those too. Less mess and cleaning.
Way less dust
Nice work! Lots of valuable information...Thanks a bunch!!!
Great video! Thx for sharing
Did you use 45's to street 90's? Good tip on the 2.25 inches all the way around
I'm going to do it myself wish me luck 🤞🤞 never done before but $800 is too much money man thanks for the video will keep you posted
Take your time and spray inside the wall with water and keep a fire extinguisher handy
800 is about right, once u cut the wall up u dont know what is in there.
I live in St. Louis Mo. that job is $1300.00
Did the job and yes a lot of work!!needed some help but everything came out ok thanks for the video again 👍👍✌️
George if valve is too much inside wall, moen sells extenders right?
No need to support valve?
I know, it looks like the beauty plate just screws into the valve body and that's what's securing it depth wise. Maybe I missed something in the fast forwarded portions.
the difference is the connections and usually the piping is supported right below and above
How much was a job like that cost?
Came here to ask the same thing!
Did you say that these Moen valves come with the stops in the closed position or open, by default?
Whats the model for the Posi-Temp Pressure Valve? Im thinking about giving this a shot. Thanks!
Great video thank you
That plate behind the handle, can you tell me how wide it is left to right? I forget what that's called but I have a two handle Moen set up, very old, and I hope this kit will cover the hole in the wall.
Master of masters, thanks for sharing your videos with us who haven't done this model replacement ; ) .... nice work, fire spraying, and cooling with spray after waiting the critical natural cooling to avoid cracks .... enjoyed watching it .... I use a board to protect the tub after learning that accidents do happen even to the experienced .... the world is already better with people like you and I.
Master of mustard?
What happen to the sealer on the kit plate so the water don't leak trough the tile groves??
"Muster of monsters"
😔😖😡🤬
@JesusHernandez-ll5ok you are yet another master of masters... thanks for noticing and pointing it out .... we have learned from you too master of masters .... we do learn even from the hating idi ots, don't we? ...
was there no need for backing support for the valve?
That looks awesome! 👍🏻🇺🇸
Right on
Need a heat shield
What do you charge for this?
wonderful job.
dont many like you around
Thanks you
Question what type of tile is that?
@@navindwarika4064 just basic ceramic 4x4 tile
Good work!!
@@RickYelley thank you
My tub spout versus the new chateau kit seems pretty close, think i could cut the cutouts a little high and move the valve up a bit?
Im assuming i can redo the spout connection and add some space between the two
I have cut the hole up height instead of center I have the bottom of the template to line up with the holes
@GeorgeThePlumber gotcha makes sense, thank you
How does the water divert between the shower and tub, doesn't it need a separate handle for that?
Tub spout is the diverter
How does he avoid turning the valve to toast? Wouldn’t you at least wrap the valve with a soaking wet wash rag? Pex would work even sharkbite?
@@alancastle3917 the body is brass and don’t need to wrap it with wet rag
I don’t use sharkbite what so ever and when a house is copper I put back copper
What's valve you used for this? Can you share a link too?
Let me get you the link to the Moen
amzn.to/454i3KL
This is the trim kit make sure you get the body
Sorry I meant the body. Just want to make sure it's compatible.
@@jasonl8391
amzn.to/442Qnoh
@@jasonl8391 it’s. Positemp body
Thanks so much, this video is helpful. What blade did you use for the angle grinder?
Diamond
@@GeorgeThePlumberThanks! Is there a brand of diamond blade you like? What size is your angle grinder? I’m going to cut open ceramic tile tomorrow, I just make sure I’m prepared lol.
If 3/4 inch galvanized pipe was used for the tub spout as well as the pipe leading to the shower arm, can I replace those from the hole in the shower or will I also need to open up the wall behind the shower?
Spout I always replace with 1/2 copper and if the head is galvanized I snake down pex and cut galvanized out piece by piece
There’s a total rebuild kit for this Price Pfister valve that will last 10-15 years. New everything including handles. $38.00. Takes about 45 mins to install.
I do offer that as well with the ceramic stems
But converting is a safer option with the balance spool
@@GeorgeThePlumber yea, I've changed out over 2 hundred old valves to Moen Pressure Balance. I just don't like those huge chrome plates.
@@Averageskillthe right way would be open and retile but hard sell for customers
@@GeorgeThePlumber Hand me a set of plans and I’ll plumb that custom home from from the ground up, by myself. I ran tract housing jobs from 1979 to 2008 while plumbing customs on the weekends. Mostly major remodel since. Too expensive to build new custom homes here in Southern California … much more profit in remodeling existing homes.
@@AverageskillI can say I have never done track work have my share of rough work in the 90s but found I like service work
I will be converting my shower stall from the old two handle valve to this single handle Moen conversion kit. The valve that came with the kit has a four port valve. I do not have a tub so should I be using a three port valve? I realize I can cap the tub port but will that change the performance of the four port valve? Thanks for the help.
Yes just cap off the bottom
Thanks man.
What happen to the sealer on the plate kit and the lower faucet, so the water don't get trough the tile grooves? 😖😡🤬😓
That remodel plate had a gasket behind
Good to learn
What’s the name of the grinder you used to cut the tiles ?
It’s the Milwaukee 3” m12 grinder
Why you don’t use a pexi plex
What’s plexi plex
@@GeorgeThePlumber an alternative way to do plumbing. Less complicated. No welding just clamped.
@@marcoestrada2714I do press them in but found takes longer trying to layout to fit ring jaws in there
I would not spray water on joints after soldering , you can end up with cracking joints and can lead to leaks
I just like cooling off and spraying in the wall to make sure nothing is hot
👍👍👍
Thank you
@@GeorgeThePlumber 🙏
why not replace the carriages on the original?
Customers want to convert
what the price for a job like this with materials
Any where from 800 to 1600 depending on wall
If galvanized water lines could definitely cost way more than
What is an estimate for this type of job, please
From 1100 to 1500
Whats the cost ?
From 700 to 1400
when a customer call me and ask for a price on the phone, i tell them if you have to ask me a price then i dont think u can afford it.
@@um8440 thats crazy. you could be shooting yourself in the foot with that logic.
@@um8440😂😂😂😂 then they call the next one on the list. Clever way to give others business! 😂😂😂
You’re going to create mold conditions , wetting the wall that much !! And from the looks of it . There was already some blacking on the paper , which may be black mold .
@@theantichrist4267 I don’t see any mold in the video and it’s not a lot of water it’s just enough to not create a fire
What a great way to guarantee that the pipes will be clanking in the winter and they’ll have to call you to fix it.
This is a horrible way to replace that valve.
Really I do so many of these and never went back for clanking pipes
My valve doesn’t stick past the wall enough me to get the cover kit and handle on, trying to avoid beating the wall up
Here is a extension kit
amzn.to/3wv92hS
@@GeorgeThePlumber thanks a lot, saved me from damaging my wall
@@dabighomeyeazytv8853 I keep them on the truck make it so way
My plumber wants 800$ to do this, does that seem right?
@@brucepoole8552 actually a good price I charge more
In USA you can be in big trouble if you’re doing under professional business license
How I’m in NJ and a licensed plumber how would I get in trouble
That should have been installed from the back side all you did was help the mold to grow
Some times that’s not possible
Why not just cut out 6 square tiles instead of cutting out an oval shape.
Not to inconvenience the customer and they have the shower back same day
Smitty
Lol thats a clunky looking conversion kit. Should have just updated the valve hardware.
It’s a great option to give the customer the safety of pressure balance and scald guard
The old valve doesn’t provide that
Dude way to go open heart surgery!!
One of my favorite jobs
you are nuts
@@reggiepotts3437 thanks
No vheck for leaks before putting the cover?
Water leaks always
With the Pex pipes,this transition could have been done faster without doing all that soldering with Cooper, time consumption was too long, with Pex, probably only 15 minutes, I must admit that you did a good job but with the new products on the market (Pex with sharkbite system is less time and quick installations
If the home had pex I would have used pex but sharkbite that’s a hard no
All are home are copper and with that minimal space I’m working find copper in the easiest
I have even pressed them but took longer on the install
Time frame for install soldering is just over a hour