The New 2016 Tube Map
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- Опубліковано 25 тра 2016
- There's a new tube map out for June 2016, and TfL has added something quite substantial to it.
We talked through these drastic changes with Jon Hunter, head of design at TfL and asked him what it's like being the person responsible for designing the tube map.
You can see the new map here: londonist.com/2016/05/new-2016...
I want to ask him if he's played Mini Metro :D
Lavender Harmony same 😊
Oh yes. That's a game of train maps
I have played mini metro! It’s a good game
But you can't save them which would make the game SO MUCH
BETTER!
It's nice to know that the head of map design is as much a transport geek as you are Geoff and doesn't treat it as just a job...
gasp.... Geoff spoke of the Elizabeth Line
Just saw this video (after the "New 2015 Tube Map" vid), learning that (and why) Trams had just been added in 2016. I also want to add (to my comment under the other video) that yes, it is quite helpful to have these additional services included. At least some of them, I would say.
Yay, recognition for the tram after all these years!
This thing about colours got me thinking: For a colourblind person, reading a Tube map must be a nightmare
That's a white and black map on the website
***** Well, isn't that different for each kind of colorblindness?
I am red/green colour blind. I can see it perfectly fine but mine is only a mild case
VINCI It looks easy to read
+wwwooouuuttteeerrr97 I didnt really mean to ask for your opinion, sorry, I rather meant to show you that there is already a black and white map. But then I realized people above me already told you that.
Have a good one
The Underground is so fascinating to me, it is so cool that you had the opportunity to do this, thank you for sharing!
I can imagine your reaction when he said the 'elizabeth line'!
train announcer "this is a Elizabeth line train to ......"
Terrible Name. Keep it Crossrail
But Central and District lines also use mainline railways on the west and east ends. With the passage of time, they gained exclusive use/their own tracks, of course, but we've done this sort of thing before in London, with the tube.
I do wish we tried to stop trying to get London's network to conform to French/Germanic distinctions between different types of urban rail - the distinction is much less sharp in London than, say, Paris. Especially to the end user.
Timewise you will be on a Crossrail train from Liverpool Street to Reading (1h1) for less time than any Met train to Chesham (1h6 fast, 1h12 slow) or slow Met train to Chalfont & Latimer (1h2) and Amersham (1h6). A fast Met to Amersham is 1h0, which is not really noticeably different to Reading wrt how transit users measure distance. For the passenger, the only noticeable differences between getting a Crossrail to Reading and a fast Met to Amersham are that the trains are shorter (and differently coloured) on the Met, and that Reading is beyond zone 9 so more expensive.
Different colour roundels will make things clear enough for the type of people who want to create Metro/RER style split in London. And for the average punter, no real functional split of that sort exists in London (as much of the network falls into grey area between the two) and so calling Crossrail the Liz Line is (save for the name itself, where there's legitimate questions) a good idea, to help integrate it into the main TfL network.
i think Elizabethan line would work more
Surprised you didn't ask about the ever expanding Overground maps, and when will we need to differentiate all those different Orange lines.
always find these vidios interesing
Pls look madrid underground :)
+Carel Sánchez
irrelevant
:(
I wonder how much harder it would have been to design a tube map pre-computer era.
Glad they've added the trams. Thanks for the heads up
The LU is a very complex metro system and I think Mr. Hunter really does do a good job making the maps and stuff. P.S. I love those Londonist vids, especially the ones about the Tube :)
I could watch your videos all week thanks!
I find these videos so interesting for some reason. I always wondered who designs the tube maps.
Agreed,
For those who want to know, the design program they use is called Adobe Illustrator CC 2015 - perfect for vector-based maps like the Tube! :-)
Do you also know how he adds the single served tube stops on there? F.E Russel Square where a small line ejects from the Picadilly Line without adding a single rectangle onto the line you've drawn.
Very cool. Also fresh trim Geoff!
You talked about Paris, the current colours appeared about 1995, and they were chosen to be the most distinct possible, so even colourblind people can't mix them up. More colours have been added for the regional trains and the trams. I'm trying to redesign the network map entirely using Inkscape, it's a horrific nightmare.
Interesting to hear his views on the map and all of the factors that come into play when creating the map or maps. Thanks Geoff
Fascinating. As a designer myself, this is so iconic.
Very interesting video. Great job Geoff and Londonist!
Your series of videos are superb; I love them ! Well done.
Thank you for adding Trams to the map
brilliant, thanks Geoff, good to finally see Beckenham on the map!
I'd love to see what Jon thinks of the Boston map!
Thank you for this film.
Well done on giving blood, too!
I've watched this video three times, but I rarely use the tube. Always been fascinated by the underground even though I dont live that close to London
Thanks Geoff, very interesting - as usual. :)
I watched this at a bus stop and missed the bus because I was so interested but it was worth it
Tube should get rid of the 'step-free' icons on the map. There must be a simpler way to mark these stations.
agreed
Quality vid as always!
wow what a powerful guy and he wasn't wearing a suite, he seems like one of us and doesnt mind getting his hands dirty. On a different tangent, You have been doing soooo much for and with T,F,L and british rail over the years and all the advertising you do for them. I do hope you get a decent cheaper "perhaps staff" fare or discount card plus you do know a few powerful people!
I have one of these early Underground Maps in my collection, also its predecessor - much smaller red covered and blue covered 3-panel card maps where the lines are laid out geographically and pre-date W.C.Beck's map - which this one illustrates. Also produced in 1937 was a 24 panel gigantic map, printed on both sides, extending to Stanmore, Watford, Watford Junction, Uxbridge Hounslow West, Wimbledon, Morden, New Cross Gate and New Cross, Becontree (to Upminster, Tilbury and Southend), Chigwell Lane (to Theydon Bois, Epping. Ongar) Cockfosters, the Authorised extensions to Alexandra Palace, Barnet, Edgeware. This map folds up to the same dimensions as the W.C.Beck map and must also have been one of his productions - even though geographically, not geometrically, laid out. There were also numerous London Tramways Transport maps (which included Trolleybus and timetables) from 1934 to 1940 which is a drab two-tone map reflecting the early War years.
This man is my god :O
tut tut
ayo wagwan hernandez
Great editing at 0:48!
What
Things I want to do if I go to London:
1. Go to all the Tube stations!
just a warning, that'll take time
I think it's still beautiful
Why is there no comments on the fact this man's superhero idol is Uncle Ben?
+Londonist - I'd love to know *if* there's a 3D map of the underground!?! Perhaps as a piece of art, or in a TfL museum (if there is one??)
There is an old map of the District Railway in ceramic tiles on the wall of the booking hall entrance to Victoria Station, it shows the actual route the line takes, which is quite different to the schematic variant, sadly this is covered by the modern paneling, preserving it for the future.
Great video, and great haircut!
Sydney: get some consultancy to re-design the network map, and all network branding in fact. End up with less information, harder to way find through complex stations in the name of simplicity, and harder to navigate the network map. The map implies trains run all stations. Yet there are a few different stopping patterns because it is largely a suburban rail system. I admire that TfL keeps this crucial function in house. God my city is going down a very stupid path at the moment. The network map is obviously but a very small part of this.
Wow, the map needs to get bigger!
Haha,I love ur videos. Such great insights
thank Alexandra! Give us a subscribe? just still plenty/so much more to come we have planned...!
When UA-cam reccomends you this years later...
Is it possible to explain briefly about some of the changes on the new Tube Map? For example, I've noticed that there's a new zone, Zone 2/3, which seems to be an area that can be interpreted as either Zone 2 or Zone 3. How does that work in practice? And what led to those changes?
londonist.com/2015/11/tfl-fares-for-2016-announced
Wich program they use?
Seems to be Adobe Illustrator. Not sure which version.
Why do some stations like Euston Square and Barons Court not have connector blobs but they are interchange stations?
great video.
interesting, thanks for the share
If Penge West is moving to Zone 3, perhaps you could have him move Colorado to Zone 5. Cool interview
All they need to do now is get the app providers to keep updated with the current map as far as accessible stations goes
Why is the overground still just orange? Surely if the underground has different colours, then the overground should as well
Mathew Fiford The overground is one big line so yeah..
@@dx_ream9277 There are six overground lines.
Jethro Q. Walrustitty doesn’t the district line have 5 lines?
@@dx_ream9277 If you'd like to count lines that way, then there are twelve overground lines.
Seriously though, there are six different timetables for the six different lines which serve different stations, many of them without the possibility of direct interchange at the same stations. You can have a look at the timetables here: tfl.gov.uk/modes/london-overground/london-overground-timetables
You should take a cab ride and make a video? i'm going on another cab ride sometime in the summer, you should, it's an amazing experience!
haha. get wrecked mate! he moved you to zone 5 haha! (love it!)
"Colourblind tube map" is my favorite. Free at the App Store
All that talk about different colours reminds me; when I was very young my Grandad (who lived in outer NE London) had an A-Z and on the back there was a B&W tube map.. rather than colours all the lines where in different patterns. I don't remember all of them.. Northern line was filled in black so just like on the colour mar.. District was a line of joined up black circles
(Temporarily) RIP gospel oak to barking line ;-;
was that a tree joke?
No, it's just being closed for a while.
i love your name
Dear people of UA-cam, do you guys know what programme Mr Hunter used to make the map? I want to make a train map of my own.
As geeky as this sounds, I would love to have that program so I could build my own routes
you can also use Inkscape which is free
You need to pay Adobe's Creative Cloud subscription fee regularly. You can no longer buy perpetual license of its line of applications.
well you can always get illustrator without cash...
You can always go for the free month long trail. (with a different email every month...)
***** that doesn't work, I tried
How about a way to differentiate short distances, that would be easily walked instead of tubed?
I go on this side of UA-cam and after 30 seconds I've got a random 'with great power' quote.
I think there should be one pocket-sized map, with Tube and DLR services on one side and Overground and Crossrail (maybe trams too) on the other side. The Emirates Airline should be removed altogether too, I don't think it's necessary to be on the tube map
will it be in place on Sunday 29th May
2:20 What program is that, Illustrator?
Thanks.
I use illustrator to create my transport maps
Ooh, you create transport maps? Can I see some?
TFL Tube Map Creator CS6 v16.0.0 (32-64 bit) [thethingy] RUS-ENG
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100% Legal lads.
Leo M hey. I'm having trouble finding it. Am I searching it incorrectly? I just tried to copy the name you wrote.
how do you access that program
this is nearly 7 years old
I saw that they use a computer program to make the tube map. Is it proprietary, or is there somewhere that we can get it to make our own fictional maps?
Adobe Illustrator CC isn't free but there's a similar but free open-source programme called Inkscape which basically can do the same
New tube map need to get it when I go on the Underground again
Interesting use of the dirty two-shot. Interesting vid nonetheless
Why did you delete your evolution of the underground video? and if so, can I reupload it, that video was good!
It should be tfl map because overground underground D.L.R trams elizabeth line? It not only tube?
Maybe when the new branch of the Northern line opens, the West branch(Charing Cross& Edgware)should B called the Northern, &the East(Bank, High Barnet, Mill Hill East, should B the Londonist line, with Old Street being Londonist. Also, Geoff's station becomes Geoff Marshall Avenue.
Although the trains may call it "G-Off Marshall Avenwee" at best or "G-of-f Mars-halal aveenwee" at worst.
They've still got light green and magenta for unused colours (if you don't count the tram) or pushing it they could recycle orange and purple but in solid block form (unlikely) and after that they're screwed.
They guess after that they'd have to do some weird (diagonal) stripy thing...
***** No, Metropolitan is Maroon, Crossrail is Purple and Magenta is unused.
I've got a question! Would they have to change a tube colour IF they have similar coloured lines running next to each over?
We don't think that they would ever design a tube map to have matching colours like that!
+Londonist Ltd ok, thanks
This used to be so in the early maps - side-by-side the Piccadilly and District lines ran.
both were green!!
are there anymore new lines than just Crossrail.anyway good video
Both the Metropolitan and Northern Lines are being extende, and will open up (at the earliest) in 2019.
What is the the program that he use?
WHY Elizabeth line.Victoria line vs Elizabeth lane?
Good video But I like the way you change Penge West into Zone 5 I thought Zone 3 but good video
I hope Henry Charles Beck's concept will never be abandoned !
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Beck
When TFL take control of sub urban rail services and integrating this into London Overground, this is totally overwhelm the tube map? Surely it needs to be moved on a totally different map.
what program is that
Where purchase a large copy please.
Why not put Rickmansworth to Croxley in as a limited service line?
i have taken a look and it seems like morden is in a special fare zone pretty unusual to see that.
It's an error - it should be in zone 4. However the Tramlink zone gets in the way.
It seems that the fare zones are becoming increasingly complicated with each new map publication!
I really think the overground should be more colours
My grandparents say we’re lost we’re on the extended adventure
That was cool that he changed the map for you. I would have asked him to change it all completely and had a copy printed off. Ha ha
maybe we did! (but we just can't show it...) ;-)
+Geofftech did he give you the photoshop data? I'd probably die for that
Same
+Geofftech awh men that would've been to good to be true
i wish there was more trams in london and edgware
0:48 looks like no one wanted to match the audio up then
Did he say " dis-benefitting ?" Is that a word now? Talking about the Colours I´m red/green colour blind and always have problems with coloured maps charts etc.
link to the map?
One day i plan to move to london, and im designing my own tube map
The question unasked in this clip is "Why change the tube map?" If it ain't broke, don't try to repair it!!
Someone release that map do we can do our own!!!
Can colourblind people read a tube map easily?
not this particular map, but Tfl has their own version of map for colorblind people
content.tfl.gov.uk/bw-large-print-map.pdf
I'm a colourblind person in London and for the most part I completely ignore that colours. The blues and yellows are fine but the reds browns and greens hurt my brain.
It hurts my eyes! But don't get me wrong, it is pretty cool.
Ben Grant i dont bother with the colour.
I hate how Westminster and Waterloo are well away on the map from where they actually are
What's happening at Barbican station?
probably www.farringdonwithin.org/?p=1496