The Rise and Fall of Mindless Self Indulgence and Jimmy Urine - What happened?
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- Hey, this is a different type of video! Please leave your opinions in the comments if you want!
Notes: Just to be clear, I do stand with Jane Doe and I dont believe that jimmy is as good as we thought he was and I dont support him. I apologize if I put things a bit confusingly/like i was defending him in the video, I know Jimmy was wrong and I just wanted to explain the full context so yall can get your full opinion. Also don’t mind the british AI voice 💀. By the way, sorry if it was a bit boring, the next time I make a video like this i’ll definitely add music in the background!!!
Allegations sources:
www.rollingsto...
Full Jimmy lawsuit text: bit.ly/3Pb6Ujk
I also used reddit. I hope you enjoyed this video, I worked really hard on this. Tysm for watching and if you want more videos like this, or have a video idea, please comment it.
EDIT: I know in this video I mention If is my “favorite album of theirs”, but I just wanna say I don’t listen to them anymore.
THE CHAOTIC CONTROVERSIES OF PANIC! AT THE DISCO: ua-cam.com/video/L99PlUvZ7GQ/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
ALSO: I love hearing all of your opinions in the comments! This video was my first video to blow up and it’s cool to see so many people interested in this case & my vid!
EDIT: For anyone looking for updates, there is a pinned thread on the subreddit r/MSI. Jimmy has been served by an investigator, after pretending to not be home 4 times.
EDIT 2: The case is now dismissed. Also I edited the description :)
its so weird and eerie that after this whole case the members just, vanished from the public eye so you dont even know what theyre up to these days or ANYTHING. i would love to know what happened to them but i guess they just want to be left as a memory.
Which does psychologically say that they know something. Otherwise they would stand by him in truth. Far too many "coincidences" Jimmy and his friend yarvo are absolutely pedophiles. Breaks my heart. I've been a fan since 1999. I got their first album on limewire. So bizarre to think back
this is pretty old now, but ive been trying to stay neutral on it until we get a final answer on if he was guilty of it or not!! i still enjoy the music the band made though
He’s guilty . For sure
that's kinda messed up tho
@@str8_2_video I’ll still listen. I can’t fn help it he’s a diaper sniper. I do beleive he is tho. Don’t get me wrong,I won’t be able to support anything urine does from here on out and i know it’s true. I’ve been to shows and grew up with a girl that went to many. Jimmy knew her by name. Trust me. He is absolutely into very young girls
After 2017, it's especially important to take allegations like these with a grain of salt.
He’s guilty. I grew up listening to them and going to shows. Take my word for it, seriously. He is fn guilty
No I don’t have proof. Didn’t gather receipts Ofcourse,as I didn’t see it as fd up. There’s that power dynamic and we were all young,Sept his creep ass.
@@CondosNkarens And how do you know? He isn't proved innocent or guilty
@@madgiez3114 I saw it with my own eyes
@@madgiez3114 look. Idc if you believe me, I’m being honest. I introduced a girlfriend of mine to msi and ..she got hooked and got to know Jimmy. Guess what? She was 13 and fourteen years old,he was in his mid forties and I watched him suck tongue with her. I’m telling you it’s true
Mainly Jimmy is the one I'm most concerned of, but the lawsuit states that the rest of the band knew about Jane but just didn't do anything, so I'm iffy on the rest of them too.
I'm not sure. Innocent until proven guilty is important because mob hunts literally do nothing good, but he's also done some weird shit in the past. I know he likes being shocking and edgy, which was absolutely a common thing up until the mid 2010s or so.
But it's been decades, and there's only one case of this against him from what I know, which has to use music lyrics in the lawsuit?
I've been a MSI fan since 2006, so it's pretty weird to see all this. I don't personally think this is true, BUT none of us are lawyers/judges. If it ends up true, I'll be wrong but a creep will be outed/put away. (Which is a good thing, IF it is true.)
If someone’s such a popular and controversial figure there’s bound to be someone making allegations… just like what happened to Justin bieber
@@Mushroom871Eminem never has sex allegations and he is both popular and controversial!
I heard the girl that sued him needed money for a surgery and this is the way she was trying to get it, and that crap happens to famous people a lot
Source?
how do you know that ?
Hate when people post stuff without receipts
@@koraymamoreno570wait till you find out the whole lawsuit only had a birthday card as proof
where'd u get that from ?
Played a show with MSI and I got more the vibe from the crowd that they wanted to bang him more then he wanted to bang them. It always seems more like he was amazed with the reaction, of course seeing MSI play with coal chamber is what even inspired me into making more ridiculous music and going live. So mixed feelings. Keep writing music Jimmy. Thanks for making a fair video @ToMeItzN0thing.
Damn that’s really cool that you played a show w/ them! I do agree that MSI makes good music, sucks what jimmy did though. It’s sad, but it does happen with many great artists unfortunately.
@@thebirdie32 yeah it was a good time. My band was just part of my real interest with is psychology and sociology type stuff. Why we do what we do and why we’re such hypocrites. ua-cam.com/video/Fv0JCAajGas/v-deo.html so it’s fitting it still involves Msi and what’s going on there as part of my looking back. I hope to clip and react to this video as part of that if you don’t mind.
@@inph1del Yes, it’s fine with me! Thanks so much by the way for watching (& subscribing:))
Dude I would love to see msi with coal chamber. What year was that?
@@dalemaherwoodlock3383 oh man I wish I could remember. They only had tight and fsgwss at the time. It was at toads place in Hartford.
Frankenstein Girls is such a good fucking album. It definitely makes my top 5 ughhhh
I completely missed out on all this shit. For me, as a punk rocker growing up in fucking Kentucky in late 90's early 2000's, I might as well have grown up in the 50's in Candyland. MSI gave me a certain amount of power over the hateful things people said about me and the things my community hated. Calling me gay when I wasn't, accusing me of drug abuse when I was straight edge and just thought and talked differently. All of the hyper judgmental christians that I grew up with couldn't hang when I blasted MSI's songs about cocaine, sex and just about every single topic that the grown adults around me pretended didn't exist. For that, I will always listen to their music and understand its importance to my own personal perspective. Imo, lyrics, poems, books, are all safe from censorship. We can agree on which artists we show support for, but we don't get to silence the artists we don't like.
As far as allegations go, I do take it with a grain of salt and understanding that if someone was hurt, that should be validated and respected. They're very serious allegations, but also from a long time ago. If he made some mistakes in his life, that's his life and his lessons to learn from. I don't think it's my place to judge him for the rest of our natural lives. Fuck knows Ive made mistakes; a decade of alcoholism leaves me glad that I didn't live under the miscroscopic scrutiny of the fucking ravenous masses the whole time. I'd probably still drink all the time tbh, but luckily, I'm sober for over a year and finally have my life back from the madness.
Anyways, i hate writing fucking essays online but this shit hit me some kind of way and I just wanted to voice it.
Im in kentucky lolz
I had a WHOLE phase of MSI since 2021, in 2022 when I discovered that Jimmy was a bad person I was traumatized and sad, because there are A LOT of their songs that are so catchy...sometimes I still listen to them because I liked their songs (Only the songs that are from my favorite albums)
Now I discorvered new bands that helped me to forget about msj, stuff like kmfdm, system of a down, korn, TV Girl... it's hard to try ignoring something that you loved and then discovering that it's a bad thing.
(Sorry for my bad eng
Check out Biffy Clyro. The albums Puzzle and the rare vinyl Lonely Revolutions...or just any of their stuff. Experimental and great lyrics.
Cant we separate the art from the artist 😭😭🙏
I’m mad that he didn’t really defend himself and didn’t even reply or give any of his fans like a reason to still be interested in defending him. Maybe he jus accepted that he can’t have a comeback? I don’t know..
Edit: stop replying to this comment yall , I was hyperfixated on msi at the time. 😭 - 10/19/23
Maybe his lawyers or whatever just recommended for him to stay quiet. The most we heard from the MSI members was lyn-z with posting art once and she removed “msi” from her bio. Kitty’s brother is also on tiktok but besides that we got nothing.
Don't be. Legally it's not a good idea. I promise his lawyers gave him that advise, and he listened to it. Probably didn't get anywhere as he and his wife moved to NZ, had babies and parent the hell out of them now
@@thebirdie32 Hes alright now, the lawsuit was dropped. Google it
It's because he's a creep. There's nothing to defend.
Probably the only celebrity to listen to lawyers / PR
it's a weird situation, lol. the case does seem suspicious after all with the evidence being song lyrics and nothing concrete, but jimmy's reaction to that was also kind of weird? hopefully we'll find out more.
Two videos that I feel do really well with explaining what happened with Jimmy are Edwin's Generations video and Heavy Metal Slumber Party's video.. they both explained it pretty well
"with all consequence I will do it again"
He must have got very big-headed off of his impunity. All those years alongside R Kelly, with NO consequence for what he did must have tricked him into a false sense of security.
When the backlash came, he didn't have anything to defend himself with, so he blanked it. His victim was voiceless until then, but once the lawsuit was out and he didn't have anywhere to run, everything stupid he'd done for the last 25 years was going to come to light and be seen in that light.
He's trying to salvage the family man her decided he wanted to be all along. He can only do that by playing dead.
Personally, I think he has a lot to answer for with the kind of stuff he was filling his fan's heads with. Laughing at jokes that weren't really jokes, stewing in that filth, wasn't a good look for us.
lawsuit was dismissed due to lack of evidence you can delete your fanfic now
This is some scary stuff. People like you exist in large numbers. Wreaking havoc on even the hint of blood in the water.
@@manulittle LMAO that's hilarious really. I'm happy to hear that update. "He's got a lot to answer for" Judging people off rumors, what a CLOWN! 🤡
Maybe it is true, maybe it is not, maybe band members knew, maybe they did not. It is all speculative & that is them as people. Them as musicians are songs like 2 Hookers & an 8-ball, so how much you choose to speculate on girls from seven-eleven & how much of the night they stay up & who gets discounts is all just on you. If you wish to hear Molly & think of 15y.o. being fed booze then that is what you are going to do & that is not anything I can control just like you can’t control that I feel Molly is a song about someone whom feels safer living in a closet under the weight of their life of lies & it is sad, but a peppy beat makes it a great reminder that it is always a choice to either live your truth or live their lies & that message is ageless & applicable to a lot more than just one’s sexuality. That being said, Jimmy Urine marketed himself as a singing erection so expect & accept that those are the songs he believed an erection would sing.
I know this was a year ago! I just wanna share my personal opinion!! Since Jane Doe & Jimmy agreed to settle the court case, I really hope we atleast get some sort of answer whether he's innocent or not, it'd be nice to get a small update!! I don't think he's innocent, however i cant exactly label him guilty since there was a lot of evidence used against Jane Doe leading to them being false allegations 😭
Found this while trying to see if there's any updates after watching another video mentioning what happened a year ago. The lawsuit seems kind of suspicious. From what I heard the only real evidence is a birthday card that says Happy fifteenth. I'm not saying this person is lying but am I not one birthday card away from having the same evidence to use against him too?
Doesn't explain why he hid away from the whole thing
@@tolincasey839 Hopefully the whole truth comes out but I could see it being from his side that it don't look good for him when you write the kind of songs that you wrote. I didn't think much about it at 17 but now looking at Panty Shot....damn
@@drfdrf Yeah, I really fuckin' hope it was all a lie cause he's awesome, but looking at his music, connecting the dots and then his one song on his new album talking about "fuck everyone" when he leaves and how "they'll never find out about our love" (Don't remember the exact lyrics) it all is quite crushing.
Being a musician and seeing this done COUNTLESS times to others, AND having to be a witness in a case against a dear friend from another band, when one gets cases like this, the first thing the lawyers command... i mean COMMAND is no social media presence, especially In relation to the case. Everything you've ever said or will say is used against you..
MSI and Jimmy Urine are the personification of "I remember when I had MY first beer".
This is an amazing video but I think most people prefer it if it wasn't an automated voice
What difference does it make
I’m late asf but I was scrolling thru the comments & saw this, I am hoping to rerecord this one day to make it higher quality & use my actual voice :]
@@Tucker_Tries its a bit jarring
YOU GUYS HEAR ME OUT. SEPARATE THE ART FROM THE ARTIST 😍😍😍😍 YES???? PLEASE
i just wanna say, i like the left rights but god i cannot look at their first album cover, its so disgusting
5:54 I FOUND IT STRANGE TOO?? why the HELL would you use PUBLIC INFORMATION as evidence? it's just plain odd.
It shows his fn character
They just released an album a few days ago chat
Technically its not an album, they just released some songs from their EPs. This is called a B-SIDE
How can u be called “mindless.invader” with a msi pfp when u dont even know about another mindless rip off.. 😭 basically unreleased msi songs
@@heizousfingers Theyre probably a new fan
Jimmy cracked corn and I don't care mindless self indulgence 4life
i dont believe it cuz elektra one the first half of the case then it got dismissed for awhile, thats just me tho.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that elektra won the first half. There’s a way to see the full text of the new documents too but you need to pay, I wish I was able to see them but its expensive af 😂
So the case got dismissed against him? If so this sounds like a Marilyn Manson situation
Even if Jimmy won , to me it doesn’t mean shit since it’s very common in court to not take rape victims seriously. I mean, the whole Depp and Heard case showed it to me that as long as you’re an influential man, you can pretty much get away with a lot of shit. Jimmy isn’t a Depp of course, yet he is a grown man who has a cult following and shaped punk rock music in the early 2000s. You gotta play the right cards and the victim stands alone as the loser. As long there is no proof that any of this did or didn’t happen, I will believe the victim as this can destroy a life. But apparently there are letters Jimmy wrote to her and stuff he allegedly said to her that can be proven
@@LR-jo7ci Amber Heard was literally a crazy girl bro she took a crap in his bed, a lot of people turned on Johnny for a long time. She was a psycho b****. Then they try to prosecute Manson the same way, and he won his case and it got dismissed before I even got the court the lawyer dropped the case because of some inconsistencies with the story and the girl retracted it, and one of the girls that was dating Evan Rachel Wood made up the story. There are girls that try to take advantage of celebrities. I think with the Amber Heard case what it came down to was she was trying to be vindictive and it backfired.
@@LR-jo7ciThis can't be a real comment. There is not one chance on earth you watched Depp and Heard have their entire private lives and every single dumb ass fight broadcasted to the entire world, and SOMEHOW came out thinking that Depp was the problem.
Lol what the fuck.
SAD that he's not coming back to States. He just needed a great attorney.
. Apparently he and family are happy in NZ.But how can he be happy forever not playing out?
i know its incredibly sad. I truly hope he tours at least one last time
You owe it to everyone, to post how this case was dismissed, with prejudice.
Which means more than you may think.
Yo... have any of these people listen to insane clown posse??🤣🤣🤣
You talking about to catch a predator?
@@jimmymetal713 IMAO
I do 😈
Lmfao... they're all murderers now! Better sue!
Apparently a lot of people that listen to them are pedos or psychos?
“Oh so he didn’t do anything bad, it was just rumours.” “Until”
Cool video, hope you keep making more content.
Thank you! I would like to make more videos like this, I was just really brainstorming a lot. I’m thinking something panic at the disco related, since a lot of stuff happened with them that I can turn into a vid like where I can explain it.
he got married. that's what happened.
legit saw him go from drinking his own piss on stage while wearing fairy wings to...whatever they are now.
Oh god I forgot he did that… man he was whack even without the lawsuit
4:07 Jimmy turned Saul Goodman
So I’m not the only one who thinks they look similar
0:45 how? if their's a video of them live in 1997
there is a video of them live in 1997 this is the link ua-cam.com/video/wvhwSK70DoQ/v-deo.html
@@w0rQik, that's what I'm talking about
i tought u meant smething else@@modifidious
omg, your video is awesome! keep it up, buddy!
Tysm!!
I needed this
James just flew too close to that depraved sun and well... he got burned. Time to take him out back of the chemical shed. Can we do Jimmy Page too?
This is one of my favorite bands one two I live by n punk and push the envelope so to speak this is one band like Sucidal tendencies and other bands oingo bongio to name few there Lori s and sound is awsome but if you are a person of options then you won’t get this language sorry but not offend but this song is music that speaks from a different place
The album art for tight is just gross. The art plus the title is pretty disqusting.
Fr worst album tbh
Playing a persona is one thing, naming an album tight and making the cover look like children’s underwear is gross asf. If this shit is true, I feel sorry for his little girls. Having parents like that must be hell
Okay groomer
if album was the end of their good music and the beginning of the what the fuck is going on era imo lol
They just made a new album oh no
Its not an Album they just released their Bsides
@@DrinktheEdgySauceNOW I know xd I just say album for short
thank you!!!
this is why separating the art from the artist is important
Left tights is superior
This was way back in the day too. Before he was known for all of the shock rock shenanigans, or as well known. No excuse saying he fell into a persona or got comfortable with the lifestyle. I didn't catch his age but she was 15, no excuse.
He was 27 at the time. I think an artist can of course be batshit insane on stage but not like that irl, yet I’m not sure playing into the whole paedophilia persona is something most people would have picked for themselves, and then allegations about him having been intimate with a minor is just gross and doesn’t make it any better. MSI’s fans were roundabout teens to young adults and that he was comfortable being very gross and sexual with so many minors around is also something that a person wouldn’t do if it wasn’t their aim, even if it’s your persona
Still no proof it actually happened
Except for the excuse that it didn't happen
Did you skip over Frankenstein girls?
i think jimmy is an ass but the msi music is just awesome, some lyrics are relatable some as in most of jimmys solos are meh tho
he left the country in 2018. . . . and i guess we know why now
I'm part of the crowd that pirates his shit now when I can lol. I gotta get my music files back tho, got a new phone.
No 😢
I was into them for a liittle bit in Early 2000
Anyone getting lostprophets Ian Watkins vibes?
Ian Watkin's situation was... Truly something. I don't know if Jimmy is on the same bar as him
Jimmy's case is no where near as bad as Ian's
Not really... he WAS a pedo. Not sued, dismissed, and resued with a song used as evidence
Dahvie vanity vibes too
WHAT ALBUM ARTWORK?
good video:)
WAS I FRIENDS WITH YOU AT ONE POINT IM SUBSCRIBED TO YOU
YEAH MY DISCORD ACCOUNT GOT DISABLED FOR NO REASON TWICE HAHAHAH
@@thebirdie32 homophobia
@@abandonedasfuck ikr
Nahhh fake, and even if its real, the music is magical, it makes you ascend to another dimension
I mean….this should have been obvious from day one. Guy has plenty of photo and video evidence doing gross things
So did Manson, skinny puppy, nin, etc all have been sued none of it stuck. One person gets butthurt and offended and this happens. I don't like them but i hope he does sue the life of of the family over this
I’ve known some girls that I never would’ve guessed were only 15. And I’ve known some guys in their 20s who were like teenagers. If they just dated I don’t see it is that horrendous. But I guess I need to look at the lawsuit.
Cam confirm, as with the many other people who grew up dating men in their 20s when they were 14-16 years of age. It is fucking terrible and that horrendous. The whole he is still mentally immature doesn't cut it... he preyed on teens because he wanted to prey on teens and normally these types of guys are manipulative, abusive and outright secually predatory and violent. Too many teen girls dating much older guys get scarred for life!
Especially if one lies about their age. It bring into question who at fault.
@sheenamims379 plenty of older guys lie about their age to get with teens and also, yes, some teens lie about their age to get with older people. As an adult, it's your job to actually confirm the age of the person you sleep with and date tbh.
In the lawsuit, I believe she confirms that Jimmy knew how old she was. I love MSI too, but you gotta be honest about the facts. Also, if I was completely innocent of a crime, I’m not disappearing into thin air…I’m defending my innocence and the innocence of my band!! But they all disappeared for a reason. It was the 90’s/2000’s…back then there wasn’t social media like we have now and it was cool for people like Jimmy to be edge lords and “idgaf” punk energy. This is a person that would drink his pee on stage and make out with fans (obviously not verifying their ages before doing so). You could easily get away with so much weird stuff pre-social media days, but we now live in a different day and age 🤷🏽♀️
@lisabrown8159 I mean... we had the MSI message board and some other alt social media... it was pretty feral and I absolutely believe that Jimmy did exactly what she claimed he did considering everything from back then and his lyrics and general "I am unapologetically unapologetic and ill do what the fuck I want to do" attitude.