I lived in NZ for several years when I was younger..Maori people are amazing ,their woodwork is breathtaking and legends are great too..the saddest part is that a lot do not use their language and only use English..If you ever want a holiday of a lifetime it’s a beautiful place to visit 😀
Kia Ora (hello) from AOTEAROA (new Zealand) ..Te Two (language of Maori) has become huge..it's used in some of our news channels..there is a dedicated Maori tv and is taught in our schools Couldn't be better Now for Maori history to be taught in our schools..the government should make it compulsory!!! Small steps I suppose..
I am pleased that this is happening .I went out with a Maori whilst on School holidays . He was a real nice chap ,he was telling me about how his family and the small community were very close, they would not have liked him seeing me..I am going back over fifty three years ago.Things were different then,especially in the Small communities .I was so surprised though that he could not talk in his native tongue..I have always remembered him after I went back home to Auckland ,then finally coming home with my very young daughter about 7yrs later..Although I never traveled again after returning NZ has always left a warm spot in my heart 😀
@@christineingram55 You do realize the native language was outlawed don't you? My mother was not allowed to speak Maori in school. My grandparents had to teach their kids to speak only English, otherwise they'd be given the strap in school for speaking Maori.
As a child growing up in Eurlope I was very fortunate to be able to explore many wonderful museums and appreciate their collections. After attending university in my mid-thirties I came to hold the opinion that any item of material culture possessed by another sovereign entity should be repatriated to their places of origin. We are very fortunate to be able to send exhibits around the world, so returned items can be placed on display in other countries, provided they are stable enough to ship. Considering that we can now use 3D printers to make replicas of the more contentious items, we should be returning artifacts to their places of origin. Human remains, however, really should be returned without question. My opinion about personal and private collections is much more rigid. No matter how much money a person has, no individual should own the great masterpieces of art, and most especially not material culture from around the world. I hope we are headed that way in a natural progression.
This is one of the most emotional documentaries for me very profound! I think what touch me the most was at the end , when the curator of the French museum was given a tattoo symbolizing he himself and his journey to New Zealand!
Its funny but always thought NZ was a lovely country, and never really knew about Maori people growing up in England, until I travelled to OZ back in the 90s. Then somehow got chatting to a few Maori people online on FB during first lockdown and they taught me ALOT about the world that I never knew and also taught me bits about their culture/practices. I thought I at least knew somethings from travelling the world, but they appeared very knowledgeable and wise people. I would love to spend real time face to face. they sent me some footage of them singing and celebrating. I have spent time with south american and also north american tribes. all v interesting and deeply profound experiences, teaching how to live in community and with nature. Good to hear that there is a revival. also that people are respecting Aboriginal people too and their wisdoms. my friend gave up nursing to study with the Aborigines. I spent a day with my friend at a sacred site in England drumming, gratitude, singing and dancing for mother earth, on the day of the Uluru sacred ceremony, to give blessings to mother earth, and I think alot of people were doing that in 2020 in various countries on that specific day.
@@captaincracker8980 that narrative is white for sure. The assumption that Maori alone behaved in such a way is both ignorant and arrogant. I actually do hold the commercialisation of Maori heads on the patriachy alone.
What if you gave them back their head and in exchange ask them to help decipher their myths and legends. A body is not just a "museum piece", it one had life and it's spirit deserves to be at rest, have it's peace, in pieces or otherwise.
Char-Lee Wiebe though I agree the tribe should have their remains returned to them, saying this body’s spirit is not at rest is where you dive into falsity that you cannot prove. It had life, it had purpose. But it’s life is long gone, and it’s purpose is now left to the those left around. Whether that be burial, or used to learn and educate in museums.. it’s up to those who found it to make the decision. I’m not saying it’s right by any means. But it’s better than letting remains rot in the ground
@@chrisblester37mate I was born in Aotearoa more than 50 years ago grew up where every 2nd person is Maori like my kids. Kaumatua came to our primary school in the early 70's and told us stories about who was here before the Maori. The education system says very little about that now. Still no need to disrespect the remains of any person. Its a good thing that tipuna can be brought home to rest in peace.
@11:40 This vid 'loudly' omits that the market was rich enough that sometimes the traders did not "come back in 2 years" to get the head of someone who was still alive. Instead, the owner of the head in question was killed on the spot, so the head sale could proceed. The victims were usually prisoners/slaves taken in inter-tribe raids. The Maori were very astute traders.
In this day and age there is absolutely no excuse for causing pain and distress by keeping body parts of anyone! We can recreate anything! Well done France!
In Maori history a tribe called Tuhoe use to cut heads off put them in a cave on top of a mountain and make them look towards the village and make them watch over
@@zavierwhite5767 woah! That would be scary to see. Do you mean the heads of enemies, or people of the village who have died! We’re they there to, um like scare bad types away or what? What do you mean by watch over the village. I find this stuff fascinating. My comment referred to other countries keeping body parts of other cultures, like mummies, ect. We all have our own customs toward the dead, and they should be respected, imo
My heart bleeds for my ancestors whos heads were taken from their 'whenua' (land/home) and 'whanau' (family), there is major 'tapu' (spiritual significance) surrounding objects of this nature. But 'nga mihi' (thank you/acknowledgment) france for letting them be returned and made whole. I know our stories, culture and art are 'tino ataahua' (very beautiful) and we generously share it.. but take only memories and leave only footprints. Kia Ora ❤
@@captaincracker8980 It wasn’t meant to be sold, it was taken by European settlers in exchange for fire arms in a highly volatile Maori society. Then European interest in such items drove up the market and lead to mass headhunting practices.
Thank you I do too but actually like the Samoan ink the birth of poly swagg I'm seeing this trend with the NZ born Tongans & Samoans their utilising concepts from te ao Maori to revive tattoo art traditionally buried by white missionaries.
Ta Moko is carved flesh ,whakairo .Mana is shown through whakapapa (Geneology),ranking whether warrior ,priest etc,it is a language of no words,so when seen you can read who he was,but this reading of ta moko it only known by few.Not to forget different tribal styles and how skillful the tohunga whakairo (Master carver)was. Tihei mauriora.
Maori tattoos are based on Celtic artwork as the people who inhabited New Zealand before the Maori where Celts from either Wales or the Basque lands in norther Spain. There was another people from the Indus Valley region who also had red hair and green eyes but no tattoos and with the Maori being Polynesian their artwork only evolved into what you see today through the introduction of Celtic artwork to them when they arrived in New Zealand 800 years ago. Google Celtic artwork and see how similar all the swirling patterns are and you can see how the Maori incorporated it.
I've also always found Maori tattoos to be very beautiful. I never realized they were so rich with meaning and told such a deep life story, though. What a beautiful way of displaying who you are and where you're from on your body for everyone to see! It shows the pride this culture has in who they are, where they came from, and what their traditions are.
The Phantom Safety Pin even though they may just look like swirly lines, points, and arrows ALL Polynesian tattoos tell a very significant story. Its sacred. This is why its viewed almost as taboo to have an ignorant person with a “tribal” tattoo. Its not because only one culture deserves the right to wear it, its because there’s meaning to it rather than just “looking cool” im born and raised on Oahu, my cousin does killer Hawaiian tribal. Its especially annoying when people talk down on the face tattoos out of pure ignorance. I always get a kick out of though because i think “its ok, your ancestors couldve had superhuman strength and still would not have been as powerful or as great as the Polynesian peoples”
Are u one of those white people who only like cultures if their people aren't dark skin cause if u realized the islands next to them have orignal black people there
@@Shel230 no I think all cultures are beautiful, i love learning about other cultures. Expect white people cause truthfully we don’t have culture. There Irish, Scottish culture but that’s about it. I’m not one of those white people.
Not enough focus on the very end which was awesome. Having a tribal tattoo myself it’s one thing to walk into a shop and tattoo a Polynesian tattoo cause the designs look cool but to have a native that knows the significance of the patterns to apply a tattoo that tells your story takes on a whole other level of spiritual significance.
@@TheVeek192 Its obvious the museum staff are clueless about the tattoo on the subject skulls n photos they are reviewing and it seems as if no Maori alive can explain it to the French lol.
@@c.kainoabugado7935 No Māori alive would give out tapu information on a French TV programme. This 'head' is a tupuna. An ancestor. The French government pulled the plug the first time round because the NZ government would not agree to the tupuna being handed to Ritcjie McCaw when the All Blacks won the world cup. A full public handover accompanied with this culturally insensitive documentary. The french should stick to making documentaries about French things.
@@lisareweti8319 awesome 👌 I was right, cuz no true Maori would tell them any information n just want it back. tells me cultural values won that nosy bout! Mahalo nui for your mana'o. No Culture-No Respect; Know Culture-Know Respect
Much respect to that museum's staff,and absolute shame on those government officials (and those responsible for making and upholding those laws and regulations). Most museums flat out refuse to return artifacts and bodies, even ones that have a very strong meaning for their ancestors. This is even when many have a very dubious history of theft. If you don't understand let's try an example. If you're from the US how would you feel if I stole your declaration of independence, took it to my country, and displayed it, making money off it? What about if I took the body of someone you consider important in your culture and history, and displayed it, making money out of it? Even worse, what if my country was quite discriminatory, or even prejudiced towards your culture whilst displaying and making money from your culture?
Good on you mate... Unfortunately when you encounter the inevitable sociopathic petty bureaucrat creature's, things become rather complicated... Patience, education, understanding of human foibles and utterly relentless pursuit of the acceptable outcome, pay dividends when done rationally and intelligently...
News 24 headline: "Shock over Maori infant brutality" They have been scalded, burned with cigarettes, raped, had bones broken and been beaten unconscious, sometimes to death. Horrific cases of Maori youngsters - some under two years of age - being tortured, abused and KILLED BY MEMBERS OF THEIR OWN FAMILIES Among the grisly headlines that have dominated the nation's media over recent weeks are stories of a 28-month-old Maori girl in a coma after suffering severe head injuries, a broken arm, cuts, bruises and cigarette burns over most of her body. The toddler's 52-year-old grandmother was being held in prison on assault charges. Police in the central North Island town of Carterton are investigating the death a week ago of 23-month-old Maori girl Hinewaoriki Karaitiana-Matiaha who was sexually abused, scalded with hot liquid and beaten before being taken to hospital by relatives. The child, who was put in the care of her grandmother by the Child, Youth and Family Service after consultations with the toddler's family just short of her second birthday, was dead on arrival at Masterton Hospital late on Sunday, July 23. And last week, a coroner in the east coast town of Tauranga found that two-month-old Marcus Te Hira Grey died from a brain haemorrhage following a severe beating by his father. These cases follow the recent release of a report into the gruesome killing last April of four-year-old James Whakaruru, beaten to death by his stepfather for failing to call him Dad. The stepfather had been jailed once for assaulting the boy, but the youngster endured a lifetime of horrific beatings, despite being under the eye of various child welfare agencies, and his hellish existence went unnoticed. The proportion of extreme cases of brutality towards children among the Maori population - which makes up about 15 percent of New Zealand's 3.8 million citizens - is far higher than for any other ethnic group.
News headline from the Rotorua Daily Post newspaper: " Child, 2, dies after Rotorua driveway accident, family member steals from doctor trying to save child's life" As hospital staff tried to save the life of a 2-year-old boy run over in a Rotorua driveway, a family member swiped a doctor's two phones and a bank card and went on a spending spree. The child died a short time later but Melissa Herewini (A MAORI) had already taken the bank card to four stores in Rotorua and bought alcohol, food, petrol, phone credit and cigarettes.
@@ourpeople-g7rRemember this ya 🤡??? On 16 August 2023, Dickason was found guilty of murdering her children in the Christchurch High Court. Following 15 hours of deliberation, the jury reached a majority verdict (11-1) to convict Dickason of three counts of murder... You remember her, the WHITE doctor... Or this??? The Christchurch mosque shootings were two consecutive mass shootings on two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand on 15 March 2019. They were committed by Brenton Tarrant who entered both mosques during Friday prayer, firstly at the Al Noor Mosque at 1:40 p.m. and later at the Linwood Islamic Centre at 1:52 p.m... Remember that one... 51 New Zealanders MURDERED... Most horrific crime committed in modern New Zealand history? That's right... Pulled off by another RACIST WHITE person... Ya absolute BELL-END.
Very Good Program and worth a view or two , I have been to see the Te Papa museum in Wellington and that is a great Historical Resource to and of the Maori People and Culture .
@@naomiroberts750 One his Daughters, My GG Grandmother, Mereana Married my GG Grandfather, Ngapuhi and Terarawa Chief, Haare Nepia TeMorenga to Keep peace between the Tainui/Maniapoto/Waikato Tribes and the Ngapuhi After a long series of wars ,Especially when the northern Tribes gained access to Muskets. The Muskets were ,Often obtained by swapping the tattooed heads for Muskets with Whaling ship captains .Despite Tawhiao's appearance to European eyes today, He was a man of peace .
@Mercmad Arohamai my deepest apologies, my comment was sarcastic. Thank you for responding in a manner of mana. Also thank you for teaching me to reflect. Ngā mihi nui
What a great Documentary. thrilling to watch and almost feel apart of your journey. What a beautiful culture and its a joy to see modern people try to correct the wrongs of their forefathers. Thank You . Funny note... My DNA test says I'm Pacific Islander. I thought I was just European and African. Crazy!!!
it is well known that if the white man couldn't defeat someone with the sword then they would cheat with the pen, that's the problem with today's generation, they think they're well knowledged in history...somebody else's version of ones history
@@janenoyy7488 So true have only just learnt what life standing Irishmen stood GROUND on Easter Sunday Is unnecessary Deaths like all tragic WARS Check out Bateman's NZ Book Professional Accounts given from Historical fiction's..
It's funny how museum artefacts can become political and it's because there are scholastic specialists who like to sound intelligent and smart and disconnect themselves from their fellow human beings.
The narrator says, “As to why Monsieur (?) chose to be such a generous benefactor is unclear". I think some clarity weighs in from the quote of the monsieur 15 seconds earlier: “it (head) has brought us bad luck”. Wouldn’t monsieur have been very eager to get it off his hands and not risk further bad luck from keeping it, selling it, etc? But this “generous benefactor” hadn’t cared if, in turn, it may bring bad luck to people associated with the museum. Rather, at that point, he should’ve shipped it back to NZ and the rightful Maori tribe.
@@captaincracker8980 Broadly saying, there are generally no property rights for someone trading or receiving stolen or embezzled property. A Maori tribe had the right to reclaim the head of their tribesman from the possession of it of an enemy warring tribe, based on a reference (Robley) given in my post below. Can you support your blanket claim?
@@captaincracker8980 So I retract the word “rightful” in case you are correct, though I’m not convinced you are. My opinion was from a moral viewpoint rather than based on any legal issue. A large number of heads were stolen or taken by grave robbing. It’s possible that’s what had happened to this head. If it had been traded, from a tribe which had taken it as revenge in battle against an enemy tribe, would the tribe have had a right to have done that? It was ESSENTIAL for a victorious tribe after a battle to retain heads, as their return would eventually be required in order to make peace with that enemy (Robley, 1896: 138). The remains, property and burial places of the dead were permanently tapu (Oppenheim, 1973: 15).
Here in America when they find Native American we return them to their people , close to my home we’ve a giant serpent mound made by fort ancient’s , but many tribes lived here , it’s good you gave it back to his people
you're lumping all maori together as one. surely those whose ancestors were killed, tattooed and sold should be able to ask for their ancestors' remains to be returned?
The Māoris traded these things for alcohol & weapons. The trade was so prominent they tattooed slaves & killed them when the tattoo scabs had fallen off.
you're lumping all maori together as one. surely those whose ancestors were killed, tattooed and sold should be able to ask for their ancestors' remains to be returned?
I'm a bit annoyed actually. The culture of 'returning' the heads from around the world back to NZ where people cannot see and learn about the art. They cannot see the history when Maori peoples did the trading spoils it. Unfortunately in modern day, the same goes for Organ donations. Thankfully a lot of families are donating organs and don't believe in the requirement to be 'whole' and its saving lives. Only reason I can understand the returning is because the heads actually WERE mostly slaves and murder victims killed by Maori from rival tribes.
They can learn about it by doing some research on it in a library. In addition these days, with the internet, there is no reason to keep the remains of these people's ancestors. You wouldn't appreciate someone keeping the remains of one your grandfathers would you?
@@saroyafanniel8932 I am Maori and I wouldn't really mind it. But I'm biased cos I'm into pathology. Although I'm for returning because these men were usually killed for trading purposes after all. Legal trades at the time, but not the nicest. Each Iwi reacts to different situations.
My ancestors, slaves or not, are not for gawking at by people who don’t give a fig for our people today. They are precious to us and belong to the land that gave them life. Take your colonial ideas some place else.
@@Niwareka88 inter-tribal warfare is hardly colonialism. And Maori slaves taken by other enemy Maori isn't either. I said I'm for returning them but seems im not entitled to my own opinion.
@Aro Ha You explain it up as if I'm not Maori lmao. I wouldn't have said anything if I wasn't. Already explained I am happy for them to be returned ^ They could be my ancestors but as they said, they cannot trace them to certain tribes by DNA.
That ancestor gave the donor bad luck because of Tapu , may all those that posses the sacred heads of Māori ancestors suffer in DREAD ! Give our ancestors BACK !!!
Havent finished watching this yet but I read the comments. To me it would have made more sense to do a dna analysis and attempt to find the closest living relative and return it to that family line so they could properly care for their own as they see fit.. Sometimes people baffle me :/
To do that, a huge part of his skull will have to be destroyed which breaks tapu. The repatriation team at Te Papa are incredible. They will find his family. without smashing him to bits.
And what will they find out? It's male We know that It's Polynesian We know that It's dead We also know that DNA testing is expensive Who wants to pay for it? Huge expense, no new information and destroys the specimen. What's the point? I've been working in museums for years I know how this goes.
What a fascinating documentary. I just wish this had been made in the era of 3D-printing. Maybe then a replica could be made to keep in France, and the real head could return back to New Zealand. That way the history of the artifact could be explored for generations to come, and then the warrior that bore that head could also return home. :)
They did a ton of 3d scans on the original head plus others that have been also been returned for future study, the head you see in this film is a pretty close replica so no need for 3d printing, no doubt they have the ability to recreate but continuing to display would be very frowned upon amongst Maori as they hold their ancestors to high regard and probably wouldn't appreciate this
Kupe the first to travel to the islands and circumnavigate landed at various places and there was no evidence of occupation.. He had other travelers with him and in my own peoples case were left behind to be the guardians as such until the next wave came through. Word had passed through the pacific nations that would regularly meet at Taputapuatea and soon traveled in search of Aotearoa. There were many tribes and mixed races of pacific people that eventually reached Aotearoa before the famed "Great Migration". In reference to ones question we are a ocean going native people of the Pacific Islands and consider ourselves to be such so after nigh on 1000 yrs of naming every nook cranny, plant and animal I believe that we can claim to be indigenous to this land of Aotearoa.
@@tipenemokaraka-hiriwa8074You say Maori first occupied and circumnavigated NZ i think you ought to see new evidence.. Look up... New Zealand Skeletons in the Cupboard- Under The Carpet.. on u tube the truth is obviously more complicated than most think. Theres 3 parts, fully facinating.
There were multiple other groups living peacefully *until the Maori came and mass slaughtered them and assimilated their customs - and their genes can be traced from all over the globe
The producers really should have checked they had the correct Māori pronuncitation! Something of this level should not have missed that. Marae at 39:53 and 40:06? Bro
Sad the tattooed woman was used as an object not as a person. Certainly thank France for being caring of the Māori culture and others and move to return those items that really rightfully belong to these people. I hope it inspires other countries to follow their lead. Thank you
If I ever had the luck of being the head of a museum of any kind, before "returning" a piece or an artifact I would try and work with it's claimants as closely as possible to help come to a mutual understanding that I would do my best to show whoever entered the museum their little piece of history and how important it is. I am at my true heart of hearts a collector, and part of being that is showing off my collection with the best information available.
They make big fuss over these Maori heads, that Maori back in the day were killing other tribes to sell there heads to Europe ... but the people before Maori, the South American red heads, there bobby hidden or destroyed! That’s the reality of the fact!.
Wiremu WAITANGI WAITOMO WAIPOUNAMU Seek you may find your Bobby WAIKATO lands What GREY KILLED 4 Canons exploded from British boats docked on the Waikato River as the slaughter continued on killing Women Children rapage thence in a straightline villages tragically burned hapu in Wharekarakia their fams Churchs ..
Sorry but the teeth of the warriors head are real they belong to him and not of an animal that was stated by the so called expert. Does he not know that the Maori had some of the finest teeth of existence. This warrior was killed in war, his eyes were gouged out and eaten by the victor. This was done to devour the soul of the dead to cease their existence in the afterlife. To prevent their soul departing to the heavens and becoming a star living for eternity. For the eyes of the maori lives the soul. He was then beheaded and embalmed his lips were not sowen together stating he was killed by his enemy and did not die of natural causes.
I see the importance of continuing to live and carry on our different cultures however, we should really come together as a group when being represented at international organizations. The importance here is that we should begin to protect all of the South Pacific as an entire region not only within our borders. We would be represented as a group of people and not as smaller individual countries who have less of a chance of surviving in the world individually.
Remember the unfabulous story of the kahui twins, babies who were murdered together, yes thats right together, and Maori witnesses stood by in silence while the killer walked.A curse on the tight twelve
Which is what happens when culture is encouraged to be ignored by the conquerors for 175 years. Once Were Warriors in full effect for the very reasons you just bitched about. Because the killers ancestors if alive would have killed them for it. A curse on those that think they can live in the land without the respect of the land in which they call home..
Kia ora , if the mouth and teeth and eyes are not sewn closed the head in question was either a Maori prisoner, the enemy, a loved one has no teeth showing or eyes , so this is a enemy killed and placed for all to see so to ward off bad people , we shrunk heads to the size of a fist baffling science, get ya facts right, , tattoes- ta moko , identify iwi rohe where he came from. Its Tapu - sacred. Don't touch a makutu- curse is placed on it
Maoris are not natives, native means you don't find it anywhere else such as plants. Maoris came from the Polynesian Islands, in fact the Celts and Greeks civilised NZ first in small communities until the savages came and killed and ate them. The severed head of the maori man was no doubt carried out by their own people who lived a stone-age primitive life until Colonialism saved the day. Those who do not live here have no right to tell some fake story, what has come out recently is the proof other people were living here way before the so called natives came on their so called tiny canoes that never existed. They came on European ships, caught a ride or worked on the ship and decided to stay, don't believe their oral stories because they do not tell the facts of how they really lived and how they murdered and ate people that came to visit or were living there already.
Dreaming! What makes your UN-scientific, unproven narrative more reliable than what's currently on the table? You said the severed head was in "No Doubt" carried out by one of their own? Where's your evidence to show that occurred on this particular instance? Europeans have been severing heads since the dawn of time. Ask EVERY indigenous nation on the planet who the enemy really is...they won't say the Māori people, will they? All your claims are speculative and wishful thinking...but that's no surprise 😩
No European set foot in New Zealand until 1769. The first people of New Zealand were the eastern Polynesian ancestors of Māori, arriving from around 1250AD. Stop spreading fantasy nonsense.
Obviously lacking in basic comprehension... I would encourage you to pick up a dictionary and read the literal meaning behind the word native... And thoroughly look into occupation of Terra Nullius... Before displaying your obvious stupidity... Simpleton.
@@captaincracker8980 IDIOT ...THINK B4 U SPEAK..THERE WOULD B NO NEED FOR THE RETURN OF ANYTHING IF PAKEHA HADNT TRIED RAILROADING MAORI..THEY SHOULD HAVE LEARNED THE CULTURE WHEN THEY DECIDED TO TAKE LAND AND THEY SHOULD HAVE LEARNED TO LISTEN TO THE LEADERS OF THE TIME..THE TWO CULTURES SHOULD HAVE WORKED TOGETHER.. THANK THE MIGHTY SPIRIT THEY DO TODAY
@@captaincracker8980Te PU In Waitangi under Te Paraikete that Hone Heke down maybe eaten by Te Keore who jumped here from HMS Ships docked for King George of Engari 28 Oct WHAKATUPURANGA INDP-Declaration 1833 in Far North Waitangi Seas...
Biggy Sml Notorious Tu Pac Snoop DOG Dre Puff Dadi totally take the Maori flow float on RAPSTER music promo as similarities to likness Articulated symbolically MANA enlightenment in existence Iowa te Tama ko Ihu Karaitiana Amini
These were all Upoke slaves, tattooed and killed to order. Upoke females were normally killed and eaten at birth but on arrival of the Europeans -( trade was for Upoke boiled male heads carved with European arabesques eg 'Maori Moko designs - all European) but with a shortage of that & the trade being policed - the Maori Ariki turned to selling young Upoke slave girls to the sailors and settlers for guns. Often as records show, the Ariki would line up the young Upoke on the beach or field and then tell the Europeans they would all be slaughtered and eaten unless the European met their demands.
I am maori. This makes me feel really sick ....learnt this when i was a bit younger but couldnt remember most of it and now i know why my brain probably didnt want to retain this ...
As a descendant of the Ngati Tama Tera tribe, an ancient guardian family of a paradise peninsula, now called Coromandel, would like to say thanks for returning our ancestors faces back to us. However I would assume you have the rest of the bodies and skeletons and wonder if you intend to return those also. As a great grandson of a very dedicated man, who from his great grandfather, inherited the heads of Englishmen and the like, who were smoked dry and put on display, as was the custom back then, displays of victory if you will. So if you could find the bodies of our ancestors, maybe we could trade. Kia Kaha Aotearoa aue!
Coming from China? I don't think so. Lumeria yes Australia yes.Maybe the very old Joman people of Japan who cultivated and ate Taro and Yams. If you look at the skulls they look different then the Chinese. I'm glad the Elders made it back home. Now they can truly rest in peace
So, I guess they are going to return their Egyptian collection to Egypt, and further, return all artifacts (including bones of people) to what ever culture they robbed them from? Nope, they won't. So, why play favorites?
10 Years of Restoration work? A bit slow, aey? *Politically incorrect?* Its a museum, that's what they do. *The statement beginning @ **31:49** - an example of "a worthy of Museum display Footage/Audio"* for it marks a point in time when "Humans have reached balanced Mature Thought" and the same is *"Reflected in Government"* Obviously, given the plethora of statements relative to this point, made daily in the Media and on Twitter in the USA and by the "potus", this measure of evolved thought has yet to be fully achieved worldwide. That individual's head is definitely a potential for "Study" and to be catalogued under: *"Overt-Narcissist Personality Disorder" of the 20-21st centuries.* (This statement is an example of 3 points: Truth, Political Humor/"Tongue-n-Cheek"", and Political Incorrectness)
If I had to chose between being a soldier on the eastern front or a young warrior of a smaller tribe in 16th century pre-contact North Island; I would have to go with the former. Better chance of not meeting a violent end.
steel ratana, apologies I was being cheeky so im sorry too. I dont like the pride of a warrior. War is a flippen horrible thing. Using a patu or trench club for real, would remain in ones mind for life and thereafter. Some men thrive on it though in my opinion these men become mentally sick.
what a nonsense, the time and money invested in some old head??? - these maori have far too much time on their hands! once were warriors, now time wasters. people are far too precious about this kind of thing, stuff that happened hundreds of years ago. foolishness incarnate.
Bang on DOOBY Should be TUHOE RAIDS OF MILITANT ARMED FORCES 2ND INVADE UNLAWFUL INJUSTICE OF TRIBAL HISTORY Elders Women Children Whanau hapu Iwi Gun point strip searched ..What else Dooby waste of 7.5 Millii NZ taxpayers $ on Warfare WEAPON'S Ammunition to Ukraine to KILL & the following of 340 civilians to seek refuge with families here in NZ If Russians residing here applied for their families from Russia to come here well be interesting aye Dooby Non Voluntary is a WARRI or 1 for Warrior
This is a very interesting documentary, which I am pleased to have watched. But on so many levels such a weirdly inaccurate representation of "the Mowree people".
I lived in NZ for several years when I was younger..Maori people are amazing ,their woodwork is breathtaking and legends are great too..the saddest part is that a lot do not use their language and only use English..If you ever want a holiday of a lifetime it’s a beautiful place to visit 😀
There's a revival of Te Reo Māori happening right now and it's brilliant
Kia Ora (hello) from AOTEAROA (new Zealand) ..Te Two (language of Maori) has become huge..it's used in some of our news channels..there is a dedicated Maori tv and is taught in our schools
Couldn't be better
Now for Maori history to be taught in our schools..the government should make it compulsory!!!
Small steps I suppose..
I am pleased that this is happening .I went out with a Maori whilst on School holidays . He was a real nice chap ,he was telling me about how his family and the small community were very close, they would not have liked him seeing me..I am going back over fifty three years ago.Things were different then,especially in the Small communities .I was so surprised though that he could not talk in his native tongue..I have always remembered him after I went back home to Auckland ,then finally coming home with my very young daughter about 7yrs later..Although I never traveled again after returning NZ has always left a warm spot in my heart 😀
Ka taea e au te kōrero Māori e whaea! Ehara au anakē, ko ngā mano ktk (Not only I but many of us can speak Māori...)
@@christineingram55 You do realize the native language was outlawed don't you? My mother was not allowed to speak Maori in school. My grandparents had to teach their kids to speak only English, otherwise they'd be given the strap in school for speaking Maori.
As a child growing up in Eurlope I was very fortunate to be able to explore many wonderful museums and appreciate their collections. After attending university in my mid-thirties I came to hold the opinion that any item of material culture possessed by another sovereign entity should be repatriated to their places of origin. We are very fortunate to be able to send exhibits around the world, so returned items can be placed on display in other countries, provided they are stable enough to ship. Considering that we can now use 3D printers to make replicas of the more contentious items, we should be returning artifacts to their places of origin. Human remains, however, really should be returned without question. My opinion about personal and private collections is much more rigid. No matter how much money a person has, no individual should own the great masterpieces of art, and most especially not material culture from around the world. I hope we are headed that way in a natural progression.
This is one of the most emotional documentaries for me very profound! I think what touch me the most was at the end , when the curator of the French museum was given a tattoo symbolizing he himself and his journey to New Zealand!
Its funny but always thought NZ was a lovely country, and never really knew about Maori people growing up in England, until I travelled to OZ back in the 90s. Then somehow got chatting to a few Maori people online on FB during first lockdown and they taught me ALOT about the world that I never knew and also taught me bits about their culture/practices. I thought I at least knew somethings from travelling the world, but they appeared very knowledgeable and wise people. I would love to spend real time face to face. they sent me some footage of them singing and celebrating. I have spent time with south american and also north american tribes. all v interesting and deeply profound experiences, teaching how to live in community and with nature. Good to hear that there is a revival. also that people are respecting Aboriginal people too and their wisdoms. my friend gave up nursing to study with the Aborigines. I spent a day with my friend at a sacred site in England drumming, gratitude, singing and dancing for mother earth, on the day of the Uluru sacred ceremony, to give blessings to mother earth, and I think alot of people were doing that in 2020 in various countries on that specific day.
Ataahua what an amazing story, nga mihi France for letting us bring back our ancestors to their homeland. Truly amazing story.
Ae tika
Made me cried seeing my people return to Aotearoa my ancestors belong back home. Tangata whenua Aotearoa!!!✊✊✊
sonny paongo quite sad that your ancestors were chopping off heads and trading them really, and you can’t blame the white man for that one can you...
@@captaincracker8980 that narrative is white for sure. The assumption that Maori alone behaved in such a way is both ignorant and arrogant. I actually do hold the commercialisation of Maori heads on the patriachy alone.
@@captaincracker8980 id like to hear of the barbaric things your ancestors did.
@@captaincracker8980
Except for driving up trade and igniting the market for mokomokai...
Lets all pretend kaitangata didnt happen also
The tattoo at the end was the perfect way to tie everything back together. Loved the meaning of it, that felt really special.
Ae, tika. (Yes, true)
What if you gave them back their head and in exchange ask them to help decipher their myths and legends. A body is not just a "museum piece", it one had life and it's spirit deserves to be at rest, have it's peace, in pieces or otherwise.
Char-Lee Wiebe though I agree the tribe should have their remains returned to them, saying this body’s spirit is not at rest is where you dive into falsity that you cannot prove. It had life, it had purpose. But it’s life is long gone, and it’s purpose is now left to the those left around. Whether that be burial, or used to learn and educate in museums.. it’s up to those who found it to make the decision. I’m not saying it’s right by any means. But it’s better than letting remains rot in the ground
Until the moari peoples respect the premoari people of nz remains they should not have there fore fathers remains respected what's good for the goose
@Chris Lester you sound like a moron. As a Maori I'd like to make you the next Moko mokai
@@chrisblester37mate I was born in Aotearoa more than 50 years ago grew up where every 2nd person is Maori like my kids. Kaumatua came to our primary school in the early 70's and told us stories about who was here before the Maori. The education system says very little about that now. Still no need to disrespect the remains of any person. Its a good thing that tipuna can be brought home to rest in peace.
@Tyrah Haami tu ryte tyrah 2fuknright homie
@11:40 This vid 'loudly' omits that the market was rich enough that sometimes the traders did not "come back in 2 years" to get the head of someone who was still alive. Instead, the owner of the head in question was killed on the spot, so the head sale could proceed. The victims were usually prisoners/slaves taken in inter-tribe raids. The Maori were very astute traders.
steve hazard ...the other white meat..
Create your own doc if you find this one lacking.
In this day and age there is absolutely no excuse for causing pain and distress by keeping body parts of anyone! We can recreate anything! Well done France!
In Maori history a tribe called Tuhoe use to cut heads off put them in a cave on top of a mountain and make them look towards the village and make them watch over
@@zavierwhite5767 woah! That would be scary to see. Do you mean the heads of enemies, or people of the village who have died! We’re they there to, um like scare bad types away or what? What do you mean by watch over the village. I find this stuff fascinating. My comment referred to other countries keeping body parts of other cultures, like mummies, ect. We all have our own customs toward the dead, and they should be respected, imo
I agree totally... This is so insane of human...God Bless the Family who belongs to this Person...🙏😇🌈🌈🌈
Witch Mountain was Hansel & Gretel main menu was Hookahs Pookahs for Terrorist Murdering PALE Face Invaders of The Lost Urine...
These people literally have the story of their lives written on their faces! It's fascinating!
Alot of uz av nice comments an supportive im a native of new zealand and belong to the tuhoe tribe
Kia ora ra cuz
Thank you to that French man. He deserves so much respect from Aotearoa
My heart bleeds for my ancestors whos heads were taken from their 'whenua' (land/home) and 'whanau' (family), there is major 'tapu' (spiritual significance) surrounding objects of this nature. But 'nga mihi' (thank you/acknowledgment) france for letting them be returned and made whole. I know our stories, culture and art are 'tino ataahua' (very beautiful) and we generously share it.. but take only memories and leave only footprints. Kia Ora ❤
So macabre . I had to do a wiri and cry . I wonder how many still sit waiting to come home
Navajo Auckland as a Maori this makes me extremely uncomfortable
ShaneyBot why did maori cut off other Maori peoples head then sell them?
@@captaincracker8980
It wasn’t meant to be sold, it was taken by European settlers in exchange for fire arms in a highly volatile Maori society. Then European interest in such items drove up the market and lead to mass headhunting practices.
I think Maori tattoos are so fascinating and beautiful.
Thank you I do too but actually like the Samoan ink the birth of poly swagg I'm seeing this trend with the NZ born Tongans & Samoans their utilising concepts from te ao Maori to revive tattoo art traditionally buried by white missionaries.
Ta Moko is carved flesh ,whakairo .Mana is shown through whakapapa (Geneology),ranking whether warrior ,priest etc,it is a language of no words,so when seen you can read who he was,but this reading of ta moko it only known by few.Not to forget different tribal styles and how skillful the tohunga whakairo (Master carver)was. Tihei mauriora.
remember the Kahui twins
Maori tattoos are based on Celtic artwork as the people who inhabited New Zealand before the Maori where Celts from either Wales or the Basque lands in norther Spain. There was another people from the Indus Valley region who also had red hair and green eyes but no tattoos and with the Maori being Polynesian their artwork only evolved into what you see today through the introduction of Celtic artwork to them when they arrived in New Zealand 800 years ago. Google Celtic artwork and see how similar all the swirling patterns are and you can see how the Maori incorporated it.
@@dreddykrugernew was going to say exactly the same thing.
I'm glad everyone was persistent in this case. I can't imagine how awful it would be having a relatives mummified body on display in a museum :(
Chur brahs. I used to backpack in Opotiki. Cheers from Canada.
Chur bro"z going there tomorrow for the weekend to do some whitebaiting
Chur brutha
Kia Ora from AOTEAROA..hope u had a gr8 time in our beautiful country.
@@tinasnewzealand Kia ora. Yes I did have!
@J Mz Kia Ora Bro. Definitely loved your country! Had many maori friends, one was from taitapanui tribe of taneatua, i still remember 👍
Excellent documentary. Respectfully presented. Merci Rouen Museum.
This was great! The tattoo at the end was so nice I love the meaning as well
I've also always found Maori tattoos to be very beautiful. I never realized they were so rich with meaning and told such a deep life story, though. What a beautiful way of displaying who you are and where you're from on your body for everyone to see! It shows the pride this culture has in who they are, where they came from, and what their traditions are.
The Phantom Safety Pin even though they may just look like swirly lines, points, and arrows ALL Polynesian tattoos tell a very significant story. Its sacred. This is why its viewed almost as taboo to have an ignorant person with a “tribal” tattoo. Its not because only one culture deserves the right to wear it, its because there’s meaning to it rather than just “looking cool” im born and raised on Oahu, my cousin does killer Hawaiian tribal. Its especially annoying when people talk down on the face tattoos out of pure ignorance. I always get a kick out of though because i think “its ok, your ancestors couldve had superhuman strength and still would not have been as powerful or as great as the Polynesian peoples”
Are u one of those white people who only like cultures if their people aren't dark skin cause if u realized the islands next to them have orignal black people there
@@Shel230 no I think all cultures are beautiful, i love learning about other cultures. Expect white people cause truthfully we don’t have culture. There Irish, Scottish culture but that’s about it. I’m not one of those white people.
The ads ruin it.
Use the browser Brave and it gets rid of them. I love you tube now because no more adds.
Not enough focus on the very end which was awesome. Having a tribal tattoo myself it’s one thing to walk into a shop and tattoo a Polynesian tattoo cause the designs look cool but to have a native that knows the significance of the patterns to apply a tattoo that tells your story takes on a whole other level of spiritual significance.
You find fault that it didn't give you enough of what YOU are interested in. That's just YOU, not everyone. It's not a legit criticism.
@@TheVeek192 Its obvious the museum staff are clueless about the tattoo on the subject skulls n photos they are reviewing and it seems as if no Maori alive can explain it to the French lol.
yeh I don't have a tattoo, but would perhaps consider it if that man offered to do one, v special.
@@c.kainoabugado7935 No Māori alive would give out tapu information on a French TV programme. This 'head' is a tupuna. An ancestor. The French government pulled the plug the first time round because the NZ government would not agree to the tupuna being handed to Ritcjie McCaw when the All Blacks won the world cup. A full public handover accompanied with this culturally insensitive documentary. The french should stick to making documentaries about French things.
@@lisareweti8319 awesome 👌 I was right, cuz no true Maori would tell them any information n just want it back. tells me cultural values won that nosy bout! Mahalo nui for your mana'o.
No Culture-No Respect; Know Culture-Know Respect
Much respect to that museum's staff,and absolute shame on those government officials (and those responsible for making and upholding those laws and regulations). Most museums flat out refuse to return artifacts and bodies, even ones that have a very strong meaning for their ancestors. This is even when many have a very dubious history of theft. If you don't understand let's try an example. If you're from the US how would you feel if I stole your declaration of independence, took it to my country, and displayed it, making money off it? What about if I took the body of someone you consider important in your culture and history, and displayed it, making money out of it? Even worse, what if my country was quite discriminatory, or even prejudiced towards your culture whilst displaying and making money from your culture?
Good on you mate... Unfortunately when you encounter the inevitable sociopathic petty bureaucrat creature's, things become rather complicated... Patience, education, understanding of human foibles and utterly relentless pursuit of the acceptable outcome, pay dividends when done rationally and intelligently...
These heads were actually traded by Maori...this article is more emotive than factual.
i didnt realize that new zealand had tribes this is facinating and wonderful.
LAURA WHITE yes, google ‘the Boyd massacre’ very interesting piece of nz history.
Yes then on youtube next watch, New Zealand skeletons in the closet part 1 😊🛶🌀🌅
@@captaincracker8980 yes absolutely terrible
Ethan Allen yup, when I smell a hangi, it always makes me feel a bit queasy.
@@captaincracker8980 you're
"I lived in NZ for several years when I was younger..Maori people are amazing .." Yes, all of them. No exceptions
News 24 headline: "Shock over Maori infant brutality" They have been scalded, burned with cigarettes, raped, had bones broken and been beaten unconscious, sometimes to death. Horrific cases of Maori youngsters - some under two years of age - being tortured, abused and KILLED BY MEMBERS OF THEIR OWN FAMILIES Among the grisly headlines that have dominated the nation's media over recent weeks are stories of a 28-month-old Maori girl in a coma after suffering severe head injuries, a broken arm, cuts, bruises and cigarette burns over most of her body. The toddler's 52-year-old grandmother was being held in prison on assault charges. Police in the central North Island town of Carterton are investigating the death a week ago of 23-month-old Maori girl Hinewaoriki Karaitiana-Matiaha who was sexually abused, scalded with hot liquid and beaten before being taken to hospital by relatives. The child, who was put in the care of her grandmother by the Child, Youth and Family Service after consultations with the toddler's family just short of her second birthday, was dead on arrival at Masterton Hospital late on Sunday, July 23. And last week, a coroner in the east coast town of Tauranga found that two-month-old Marcus Te Hira Grey died from a brain haemorrhage following a severe beating by his father. These cases follow the recent release of a report into the gruesome killing last April of four-year-old James Whakaruru, beaten to death by his stepfather for failing to call him Dad. The stepfather had been jailed once for assaulting the boy, but the youngster endured a lifetime of horrific beatings, despite being under the eye of various child welfare agencies, and his hellish existence went unnoticed. The proportion of extreme cases of brutality towards children among the Maori population - which makes up about 15 percent of New Zealand's 3.8 million citizens - is far higher than for any other ethnic group.
News headline from the Rotorua Daily Post newspaper: " Child, 2, dies after Rotorua driveway accident, family member steals from doctor trying to save child's life" As hospital staff tried to save the life of a 2-year-old boy run over in a Rotorua driveway, a family member swiped a doctor's two phones and a bank card and went on a spending spree. The child died a short time later but Melissa Herewini (A MAORI) had already taken the bank card to four stores in Rotorua and bought alcohol, food, petrol, phone credit and cigarettes.
no exceptions"😂😂😂😂😂
@@ourpeople-g7rRemember this ya 🤡???
On 16 August 2023, Dickason was found guilty of murdering her children in the Christchurch High Court. Following 15 hours of deliberation, the jury reached a majority verdict (11-1) to convict Dickason of three counts of murder...
You remember her, the WHITE doctor...
Or this???
The Christchurch mosque shootings were two consecutive mass shootings on two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand on 15 March 2019. They were committed by Brenton Tarrant who entered both mosques during Friday prayer, firstly at the Al Noor Mosque at 1:40 p.m. and later at the Linwood Islamic Centre at 1:52 p.m...
Remember that one...
51 New Zealanders MURDERED...
Most horrific crime committed in modern New Zealand history?
That's right...
Pulled off by another RACIST WHITE person...
Ya absolute BELL-END.
Or white paint is too bright for my kanohi. Color identification verified
With our technology, there is no reason for anyone to display human remains anymore.
Thankyou that comment is the most true
AGREED FROM BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Clout?🤷🏻♂️, we living in trying times, you lucky if ya get your head pickled
i hope they returne the momies from the canary island to my country as well
Very Good Program and worth a view or two , I have been to see the Te Papa museum in Wellington and that is a great Historical Resource to and of the Maori People and Culture .
44:38 is my koro, my GGG grandfather ,Tawhiao, the Second Maori King ,He is also a GGG great uncle on my Fathers side.
Your special
@@naomiroberts750 One his Daughters, My GG Grandmother, Mereana Married my GG Grandfather, Ngapuhi and Terarawa Chief, Haare Nepia TeMorenga to Keep peace between the Tainui/Maniapoto/Waikato Tribes and the Ngapuhi After a long series of wars ,Especially when the northern Tribes gained access to Muskets. The Muskets were ,Often obtained by swapping the tattooed heads for Muskets with Whaling ship captains .Despite Tawhiao's appearance to European eyes today, He was a man of peace .
@Mercmad Arohamai my deepest apologies, my comment was sarcastic. Thank you for responding in a manner of mana. Also thank you for teaching me to reflect. Ngā mihi nui
He was everyones Koro apparently, gonna need more than whakapapa to prove that mate.
Mean maori
What a great Documentary. thrilling to watch and almost feel apart of your journey. What a beautiful culture and its a joy to see modern people try to correct the wrongs of their forefathers.
Thank You .
Funny note... My DNA test says I'm Pacific Islander. I thought I was just European and African. Crazy!!!
Perhaps all history is incorrect. Hidden in museum vaults, too many missing history pieces.
Well there is over 100 embargos on New Zealand Archelogical sites. So yeah you cant take New Zealands History seriously!!
ua-cam.com/video/PBFpGayPATs/v-deo.html the official channel was purged from youtube.
it is well known that if the white man couldn't defeat someone with the sword then they would cheat with the pen, that's the problem with today's generation, they think they're well knowledged in history...somebody else's version of ones history
@@dadaiay6132 sadly in england we aren't told the truth in school at all. most people when they know are horrified.
@@janenoyy7488 So true have only just learnt what life standing Irishmen stood GROUND on Easter Sunday Is unnecessary Deaths like all tragic WARS Check out Bateman's NZ Book Professional Accounts given from Historical fiction's..
It's funny how museum artefacts can become political and it's because there are scholastic specialists who like to sound intelligent and smart and disconnect themselves from their fellow human beings.
kia ora from aotearoa and whakawhetai koe (thank you) for uploading this.
The narrator says, “As to why Monsieur (?) chose to be such a generous benefactor is unclear". I think some clarity weighs in from the quote of the monsieur 15 seconds earlier: “it (head) has brought us bad luck”. Wouldn’t monsieur have been very eager to get it off his hands and not risk further bad luck from keeping it, selling it, etc? But this “generous benefactor” hadn’t cared if, in turn, it may bring bad luck to people associated with the museum. Rather, at that point, he should’ve shipped it back to NZ and the rightful Maori tribe.
peter h wrong, the Maori sold the head therefore have no rights to it.
@@captaincracker8980 Broadly saying, there are generally no property rights for someone trading or receiving stolen or embezzled property. A Maori tribe had the right to reclaim the head of their tribesman from the possession of it of an enemy warring tribe, based on a reference (Robley) given in my post below. Can you support your blanket claim?
@@captaincracker8980 So I retract the word “rightful” in case you are correct, though I’m not convinced you are. My opinion was from a moral viewpoint rather than based on any legal issue. A large number of heads were stolen or taken by grave robbing. It’s possible that’s what had happened to this head. If it had been traded, from a tribe which had taken it as revenge in battle against an enemy tribe, would the tribe have had a right to have done that? It was ESSENTIAL for a victorious tribe after a battle to retain heads, as their return would eventually be required in order to make peace with that enemy (Robley, 1896: 138). The remains, property and burial places of the dead were permanently tapu (Oppenheim, 1973: 15).
Check accounts was received from English British very little interests of acquiring 1875 ....
Here in America when they find Native American we return them to their people , close to my home we’ve a giant serpent mound made by fort ancient’s , but many tribes lived here , it’s good you gave it back to his people
Most of the heads were willingly exchanged for guns so the Māori could kill their rival tribes
you're lumping all maori together as one. surely those whose ancestors were killed, tattooed and sold should be able to ask for their ancestors' remains to be returned?
Therefore the tribe who's ancestor got sold should be able to return their ancestor home right?.
There must of been awful traffic if it took a hour to get to Titahi Bay from the city although it made me so proud to be a Bay kid.
Haha I thought the same thing too, usually takes a 20 minute drive as a Porirua East dweller.
Chur
Neat alright I absolutely loved this. Thank you for the return of our tupuna ❤️
Why didn't they explain those weird looking full skeletons when they showed the babies in formaldehyde? What the heck?
Welcome home warrior
Arohanui Aotearoa! ❤️✨ I am of Ngati Te Ata Iwi ❤️ xo
Kia Kaha and much Aroha from Aotearoa.
The Māoris traded these things for alcohol & weapons. The trade was so prominent they tattooed slaves & killed them when the tattoo scabs had fallen off.
you're lumping all maori together as one. surely those whose ancestors were killed, tattooed and sold should be able to ask for their ancestors' remains to be returned?
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Maybe this was a good gesture by france after blowing up the Green Peace ship the Rainbow Warrior while moored in a New Zealand port.
I'm a bit annoyed actually. The culture of 'returning' the heads from around the world back to NZ where people cannot see and learn about the art. They cannot see the history when Maori peoples did the trading spoils it. Unfortunately in modern day, the same goes for Organ donations. Thankfully a lot of families are donating organs and don't believe in the requirement to be 'whole' and its saving lives.
Only reason I can understand the returning is because the heads actually WERE mostly slaves and murder victims killed by Maori from rival tribes.
They can learn about it by doing some research on it in a library. In addition these days, with the internet, there is no reason to keep the remains of these people's ancestors. You wouldn't appreciate someone keeping the remains of one your grandfathers would you?
@@saroyafanniel8932 I am Maori and I wouldn't really mind it. But I'm biased cos I'm into pathology. Although I'm for returning because these men were usually killed for trading purposes after all. Legal trades at the time, but not the nicest. Each Iwi reacts to different situations.
My ancestors, slaves or not, are not for gawking at by people who don’t give a fig for our people today. They are precious to us and belong to the land that gave them life. Take your colonial ideas some place else.
@@Niwareka88 inter-tribal warfare is hardly colonialism. And Maori slaves taken by other enemy Maori isn't either. I said I'm for returning them but seems im not entitled to my own opinion.
@Aro Ha You explain it up as if I'm not Maori lmao. I wouldn't have said anything if I wasn't. Already explained I am happy for them to be returned ^ They could be my ancestors but as they said, they cannot trace them to certain tribes by DNA.
That ancestor gave the donor bad luck because of Tapu , may all those that posses the sacred heads of Māori ancestors suffer in DREAD !
Give our ancestors BACK !!!
Can’t go in cargo on an airplane must be 1st class... what’s wrong with the overhead locker?
Daniel Olsen haha
Chur unkle Mark Kopua
Now they've seen an understand our Maori traditional ways..
Alien Weaponry brought me here \m/
so?
Havent finished watching this yet but I read the comments. To me it would have made more sense to do a dna analysis and attempt to find the closest living relative and return it to that family line so they could properly care for their own as they see fit.. Sometimes people baffle me :/
babydoll8em69 Maori people are against DNA tests, do you know why?
@@captaincracker8980 no I don't know why. why?
To do that, a huge part of his skull will have to be destroyed which breaks tapu. The repatriation team at Te Papa are incredible. They will find his family. without smashing him to bits.
@@lisareweti8319 the skull still contained hair roots, no need to "destroy" the skull
And what will they find out?
It's male
We know that
It's Polynesian
We know that
It's dead
We also know that
DNA testing is expensive
Who wants to pay for it?
Huge expense, no new information and destroys the specimen.
What's the point?
I've been working in museums for years
I know how this goes.
What a fascinating documentary. I just wish this had been made in the era of 3D-printing. Maybe then a replica could be made to keep in France, and the real head could return back to New Zealand. That way the history of the artifact could be explored for generations to come, and then the warrior that bore that head could also return home. :)
Māori are horrified that their ancestors have been displayed in museums for people to gwarp at.
They did a ton of 3d scans on the original head plus others that have been also been returned for future study, the head you see in this film is a pretty close replica so no need for 3d printing, no doubt they have the ability to recreate but continuing to display would be very frowned upon amongst Maori as they hold their ancestors to high regard and probably wouldn't appreciate this
maori would hate this, any replication of their anscestor is disrespectful,
Is it accurate to call the Maori an "indigenous" people (7:48)?
Kupe the first to travel to the islands and circumnavigate landed at various places and there was no evidence of occupation.. He had other travelers with him and in my own peoples case were left behind to be the guardians as such until the next wave came through. Word had passed through the pacific nations that would regularly meet at Taputapuatea and soon traveled in search of Aotearoa. There were many tribes and mixed races of pacific people that eventually reached Aotearoa before the famed "Great Migration". In reference to ones question we are a ocean going native people of the Pacific Islands and consider ourselves to be such so after nigh on 1000 yrs of naming every nook cranny, plant and animal I believe that we can claim to be indigenous to this land of Aotearoa.
Of course it is no others wer here b4 us
Moriori were in new zealand before the maori..
@@tipenemokaraka-hiriwa8074You say Maori first occupied and circumnavigated NZ i think you ought to see new evidence.. Look up... New Zealand Skeletons in the Cupboard- Under The Carpet.. on u tube the truth is obviously more complicated than most think. Theres 3 parts, fully facinating.
There were multiple other groups living peacefully *until the Maori came and mass slaughtered them and assimilated their customs - and their genes can be traced from all over the globe
OMG, this is so well done! Just the right amount of creep, with a dash of history!!!!!!!
The producers really should have checked they had the correct Māori pronuncitation! Something of this level should not have missed that.
Marae at 39:53 and 40:06? Bro
Berlin Dahlem museum has no excuses to give the most artifacts back.
Sad the tattooed woman was used as an object not as a person. Certainly thank France for being caring of the Māori culture and others and move to return those items that really rightfully belong to these people. I hope it inspires other countries to follow their lead. Thank you
If I ever had the luck of being the head of a museum of any kind, before "returning" a piece or an artifact I would try and work with it's claimants as closely as possible to help come to a mutual understanding that I would do my best to show whoever entered the museum their little piece of history and how important it is. I am at my true heart of hearts a collector, and part of being that is showing off my collection with the best information available.
Those heads got cut off
They make big fuss over these Maori heads, that Maori back in the day were killing other tribes to sell there heads to Europe ... but the people before Maori, the South American red heads, there bobby hidden or destroyed! That’s the reality of the fact!.
Blonde hair pigmy, fear skinned patupairehe, and 7 foot cannibal
@@tanakomene6678 Why is the history of the precious red heads hidden in NZ?
That is a fairy tale from the maori pakepakeha fairy people
Wiremu WAITANGI WAITOMO WAIPOUNAMU Seek you may find your Bobby WAIKATO lands What GREY KILLED 4 Canons exploded from British boats docked on the Waikato River as the slaughter continued on killing Women Children rapage thence in a straightline villages tragically burned hapu in Wharekarakia their fams Churchs ..
these were trade goods. normally slaves who were tattooed, then killed and bartered for guns etc. NO one knows who this is or what tribe they are.
Sorry but the teeth of the warriors head are real they belong to him and not of an animal that was stated by the so called expert. Does he not know that the Maori had some of the finest teeth of existence.
This warrior was killed in war, his eyes were gouged out and eaten by the victor.
This was done to devour the soul of the dead to cease their existence in the afterlife.
To prevent their soul departing to the heavens and becoming a star living for eternity.
For the eyes of the maori lives the soul.
He was then beheaded and embalmed his lips were not sowen together stating he was killed by his enemy and did not die of natural causes.
I see the importance of continuing to live and carry on our different cultures however, we should really come together as a group when being represented at international organizations. The importance here is that we should begin to protect all of the South Pacific as an entire region not only within our borders. We would be represented as a group of people and not as smaller individual countries who have less of a chance of surviving in the world individually.
Should return the scared belongings of their people to the land where they belong.
I don’t quite understand why it wouldn’t have been returned when it was asked to be...
Be thankful that they keep it safe for a long time..
Remember the unfabulous story of the kahui twins, babies who were murdered together, yes thats right together, and Maori witnesses stood by in silence while the killer walked.A curse on the tight twelve
Which is what happens when culture is encouraged to be ignored by the conquerors for 175 years. Once Were Warriors in full effect for the very reasons you just bitched about. Because the killers ancestors if alive would have killed them for it. A curse on those that think they can live in the land without the respect of the land in which they call home..
Shaun Templey agree, the Maori are cursed because they don’t respect the white man who made things better for them. That’s the curse of the Maori
@@captaincracker8980 Troll
@@captaincracker8980 The curse of White people is you want your kids to learn 100 gender's 😂
What's your point pedo
Music is maddeningly irritating. Could not listen to it.
Kia ora , if the mouth and teeth and eyes are not sewn closed the head in question was either a Maori prisoner, the enemy, a loved one has no teeth showing or eyes , so this is a enemy killed and placed for all to see so to ward off bad people , we shrunk heads to the size of a fist baffling science, get ya facts right, , tattoes- ta moko , identify iwi rohe where he came from. Its Tapu - sacred. Don't touch a makutu- curse is placed on it
Maoris are not natives, native means you don't find it anywhere else such as plants. Maoris came from the Polynesian Islands, in fact the Celts and Greeks civilised NZ first in small communities until the savages came and killed and ate them. The severed head of the maori man was no doubt carried out by their own people who lived a stone-age primitive life until Colonialism saved the day. Those who do not live here have no right to tell some fake story, what has come out recently is the proof other people were living here way before the so called natives came on their so called tiny canoes that never existed. They came on European ships, caught a ride or worked on the ship and decided to stay, don't believe their oral stories because they do not tell the facts of how they really lived and how they murdered and ate people that came to visit or were living there already.
Dreaming! What makes your UN-scientific, unproven narrative more reliable than what's currently on the table? You said the severed head was in "No Doubt" carried out by one of their own? Where's your evidence to show that occurred on this particular instance? Europeans have been severing heads since the dawn of time.
Ask EVERY indigenous nation on the planet who the enemy really is...they won't say the Māori people, will they?
All your claims are speculative and wishful thinking...but that's no surprise 😩
No European set foot in New Zealand until 1769. The first people of New Zealand were the eastern Polynesian ancestors of Māori, arriving from around 1250AD. Stop spreading fantasy nonsense.
Obviously lacking in basic comprehension...
I would encourage you to pick up a dictionary and read the literal meaning behind the word native...
And thoroughly look into occupation of Terra Nullius...
Before displaying your obvious stupidity...
Simpleton.
They'd tatoo captives/slaves to satisfy the market.
50 min to say...'we should send it back'.
Return it all. The tauihu of the waka, the other whakairo, whakahokia nga taonga
Dufty-Kare Martin ok, do you have the muskets and blankets which you received in payment for the heads?
@@captaincracker8980 IDIOT ...THINK B4 U SPEAK..THERE WOULD B NO NEED FOR THE RETURN OF ANYTHING IF PAKEHA HADNT TRIED RAILROADING MAORI..THEY SHOULD HAVE LEARNED THE CULTURE WHEN THEY DECIDED TO TAKE LAND AND THEY SHOULD HAVE LEARNED TO LISTEN TO THE LEADERS OF THE TIME..THE TWO CULTURES SHOULD HAVE WORKED TOGETHER..
THANK THE MIGHTY SPIRIT THEY DO TODAY
@@captaincracker8980Te PU In Waitangi under Te Paraikete that Hone Heke down maybe eaten by Te Keore who jumped here from HMS Ships docked for King George of Engari 28 Oct WHAKATUPURANGA INDP-Declaration 1833 in Far North Waitangi Seas...
Are the Maori any part negroid? I have seen several who sppear as though they are descendent from black
No. They are Polynesian.
No Maori’s have no African ancestry
Biggy Sml Notorious Tu Pac Snoop DOG Dre Puff Dadi totally take the Maori flow float on RAPSTER music promo as similarities to likness Articulated symbolically MANA enlightenment in existence Iowa te Tama ko Ihu Karaitiana Amini
The ads ruined it.
These were all Upoke slaves, tattooed and killed to order. Upoke females were
normally killed and eaten at birth but on arrival of the Europeans
-( trade was for Upoke boiled male heads carved with European
arabesques eg 'Maori Moko designs - all European) but with a
shortage of that & the trade being policed - the Maori Ariki
turned to selling young Upoke slave girls to the sailors and
settlers for guns. Often as records show, the Ariki would line up
the young Upoke on the beach or field and then tell the Europeans
they would all be slaughtered and eaten unless the European met
their demands.
Dandy culture-SMH
I wouldn't say that england and france have alot in share..but this is bizarre.
What the narrator is saying isn’t entirely correct . The French professor was more correct in what he was saying than the English narrator
I am maori. This makes me feel really sick ....learnt this when i was a bit younger but couldnt remember most of it and now i know why my brain probably didnt want to retain this ...
With DNA technology, they can use familial ancestry to locate the descendants or relatives. Even if it is hundreds of years old.
thumbs down for all the ads
As a descendant of the Ngati Tama Tera tribe, an ancient guardian family of a paradise peninsula, now called Coromandel, would like to say thanks for returning our ancestors faces back to us. However I would assume you have the rest of the bodies and skeletons and wonder if you intend to return those also. As a great grandson of a very dedicated man, who from his great grandfather, inherited the heads of Englishmen and the like, who were smoked dry and put on display, as was the custom back then, displays of victory if you will. So if you could find the bodies of our ancestors, maybe we could trade. Kia Kaha Aotearoa aue!
The yellow race 😂, where brown or black some might say lol not yellow maybe now days some of us but thats only cause of colinization
Give it all back
This is all about exposing the trade of indigenous people of the world.
Thankyou to the french for finely giving him back 🙏
How many people named Sébastien work at this musem!?!?!
Coming from China? I don't think so. Lumeria yes Australia yes.Maybe the very old Joman people of Japan who cultivated and ate Taro and Yams. If you look at the skulls they look different then the Chinese. I'm glad the Elders made it back home. Now they can truly rest in peace
The music is terrible
OMG, its jacinda!
So, I guess they are going to return their Egyptian collection to Egypt, and further, return all artifacts (including bones of people) to what ever culture they robbed them from? Nope, they won't. So, why play favorites?
Exposed human remains
Playing favorites for publicity sake.
24 minutes in and 1 too many ads! Sure would have liked to have finished watching!
Have you tried AdBlock...?
Imagine if there was a robot voice narrating? Lol
10 Years of Restoration work? A bit slow, aey?
*Politically incorrect?* Its a museum, that's what they do.
*The statement beginning @ **31:49** - an example of "a worthy of Museum display Footage/Audio"* for it marks a point in time when "Humans have reached balanced Mature Thought" and the same is *"Reflected in Government"*
Obviously, given the plethora of statements relative to this point, made daily in the Media and on Twitter in the USA and by the "potus", this measure of evolved thought has yet to be fully achieved worldwide.
That individual's head is definitely a potential for "Study" and to be catalogued under:
*"Overt-Narcissist Personality Disorder" of the 20-21st centuries.*
(This statement is an example of 3 points:
Truth, Political Humor/"Tongue-n-Cheek"", and Political Incorrectness)
Who was the soul to whom that head belonged?
If I had to chose between being a soldier on the eastern front or a young warrior of a smaller tribe in 16th century pre-contact North Island; I would have to go with the former. Better chance of not meeting a violent end.
steel ratana, apologies I was being cheeky so im sorry too. I dont like the pride of a warrior. War is a flippen horrible thing. Using a patu or trench club for real, would remain in ones mind for life and thereafter. Some men thrive on it though in my opinion these men become mentally sick.
@@hopefilledsinner3911 Arohanui kia koe Matua
what a nonsense, the time and money invested in some old head??? - these maori have far too much time on their hands! once were warriors, now time wasters. people are far too precious about this kind of thing, stuff that happened hundreds of years ago. foolishness incarnate.
Bang on DOOBY Should be TUHOE RAIDS OF MILITANT ARMED FORCES 2ND INVADE UNLAWFUL INJUSTICE
OF TRIBAL HISTORY Elders Women Children Whanau hapu Iwi Gun point strip searched ..What else Dooby waste of 7.5
Millii NZ taxpayers $ on Warfare WEAPON'S Ammunition to Ukraine to KILL & the following of 340 civilians to seek refuge with families here in NZ If Russians residing here applied for their families from Russia to come here well be interesting aye Dooby Non Voluntary is a WARRI or 1 for Warrior
Wow this is amazing brave move by French few Thank you I’m sure my people are greatful
To the one who put this on my feeds: thank you for logging in at YT 👍 but I didn't ask for such a suggestion. Stay outta my home.
Now are they
going to bury those poor unborn babies????!!
Skeletor…………WAT?
This is a very interesting documentary, which I am pleased to have watched. But on so many levels such a weirdly inaccurate representation of "the Mowree people".
37:52 Harry Potter is moving up in the world!