Balkan love is fake. Before yugoslav civil war we loved each other. Did rock and roll concerts, and had fun. How was it possible to have war and hate each other until this day? It was fake love and never trust balkan friendship again. I am a pessimist same like Slavoj and I think we are all fake with that balkan bs.
People are misunderstanding what he's trying to say. It's not about actually being from the Balkans or not, that's the whole point. "Balkan" is a projection of one's own failures, fears and insecurities onto neighbours you consider even worse. That's why it's expandable to France on the one side and even the middle east on the other (Turks considering Arabs e.g. Syrians as lesser)
Yes exactly, this is the paradox: "Balkan" is always somewhere else, depending on who you ask, but "Balkan" is also everywhere if you take it as a synonym of disorder, backwardness and disunion.
@@maximhornby5493 Jesus Christ. No? Have you heard of the Basque? ETA? Spain's IRA, essentially? Also Galicia has a little separatist movement. And Asturias, Aragon, Navarra, Valencia, the islands, and Andalucía do have their own cultural thing going as well.
You could make a similar joke about who's Middle Eastern. Turks will claim that everyone below them is Middle Eastern for they are truly, Europeans. Egyptians will say that their civilization goes much further back, to the pyramids and pharaohs, thus they aren't truly Middle Eastern. The Lebanese will say that they're truly Phoenicians and that their culture is much too distinct to be merely Middle Easterner. Saudi Arabia, Oman, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, and Bahrain will say that they're Gulf States, with class and wealth that truly separates them from the Middle East. Iranians, much like the Egyptians, will remind you that they're a much older culture and civilization, that they don't even speak Arabic, and thus cannot be Middle Eastern. Georgians and Armenians will say that they're Christian, and that the Caucasus is European. And Israelis will be offended by the question, and pretend that they're a country in Mediterranean Europe.
I think the Caucasus can be safely excluded from the Middle East because it’s very rare that someone refers to it that way and this is all a matter of culture and politics anyway
@@treyebillups8602 I'm Mexican and live in LA, I find it that we think of Armenians as "Middle Eastern" since to us they share more similarities with similar diasporas here, like the Persians and Arabs of LA, than they do to Anglo Angelenos.
Slavoj’s intellectual discussions are second to none, especially geopolitical. What he says in the video, the way he says it, might seem superficial at first, but there is a deeply rooted human psychology message that he is trying to convey. Brilliant
This was so magnificently true as a Turk living Toronto by myself, i can confidently confirm this guy's each line is a fact. Additionally basically describing Balkans being the magnetic point of Europe.
The Balkans are the magnetic point of Europe? The theory of electromagnetism isn't enough to describe the region accurately, because the Balkans are a black hole.
And still no one talks about how actually all of yugoslavia is technically, based on concrete and innocent physical geography/topography, corresponding to the dinaric alps, while the actual balkan mountains are for 90% of their territorial extension in bulgaria, which interestingly is a country always forgotten when talking about the balkans...
I guess we can just label it inside the wider grographical zone of "eestern yourope", because if romania is balkan at this point even countries like Slovakia or Moldova are balkan, but they clearly aren't imo. Maybe carpathian?
some people don't seem to understand what he's talking about, so just to explain: he isn't talking about actual borders, he's talking about xenophobia/racism
Any non Anglo nized nations are primitive "Balkans" not including Germanic nations They are a synonym for tribal or primitive Europeans which are stuck in the pre colonial era
No we don't, no one in Britain ever says "northern Ireland is balkanised" or would consider part of their own country to be so. The only context in which British people use the word Balkanised, is when referring to the event of 1 or multiple nations, breaking up into smaller and smaller nations, usually when those following smaller countries are even less functional and more problematic than before, especially when this process happens rapidly, this is what we commonly refer to in Britain as "balkanisation". For example if the UK suddenly all became independent as N.Ireland, Wales and Scotland, England would consider that to be balkanisation. I have no idea where you have gotten this idea from.
It is true to some extent. He is referring to the term Balkans in terms of politics, philosophy and understanding Balkans as a place of wars and bad stuff, non-civilization etc. That doesn't correspond with the geographic limits of the Balkan Peninsula, which has its limits in southern Slovenia and Central Croatia, but also in the Central Serbia (Belgrade, for example, is the last Balkan city in Serbia, everything north from the Danube and Sava rivers is Central Europe). But here he talks about cultural conceptions of Balkans. I, as a graduate of anthropology, have been exposed to these theories for almost a decade now and while none all of them are completely accurate from a strictly geographical point of view, they are definitely there as a psychological borders between the "Barbaric" and "Civilized" world. And he is also right, because Slovenia Serbia and Croatia are very, very European countries (Vojvodina and Macva occupy around 40 percent of Serbia, maybe even more), and also he is right because there is always a projection of our INNER BALKANS, our INNER SELF, which we are trying to place somewhere in the subconscious. From that standpoint, every place has its own Balkans-The US had the Old West, now the South as the least wealthy and "civilized" place, Germany has Austria and Bavaria, Croatia has Dalmatia... Balkans is a place from where we all originate, we love that place and also we are ashamed to be a part of that place (but nevertheless we all come back to enjoy it).
@@HaraldSjellose I would say Balkan peninsula is till Attica, Peloponnese and the islands maybe not in Balkans geographically,so you mean 70% is in Balkans, the rest may be not
@@HaraldSjellose Personally, idk the exact percentage, but indeed Turkey also has a European part, the one part of Thrace so in terms of land and historically, and because idk many of Turkish culture,but i can assume we have common aspects, yes Turkey has also a portion of Europe's and Balkan's identity
This attitude has existed since the Medieval Period. According to Tuchmann's book A Distant Mirror, The English and French nobility considered Germans etc to be cruel and barbaric people.
Which is a bit odd considering the Holy Roman Empire (Germany, Austria, and Bohemia) was arguably more civilized. Same deal with the Romans calling the Gauls cruel and barbaric when there's a case to be made the Gauls were just as if not more civilized.
No matter who says where the Balkan is, all of them can agree that R.Macedonia and Albania (and probably Bulgaria) are the Balkan. I don't know about Albania, but we here the Macedonians have always considered ourselves Balkaners. Pozdrav do svima Balkanci, od Makedonija!
As an Albanian, I can confirm we indeed see ourselves as Balkans . But we dislike the term Eastern Europe, we prefer south eastern Europe, or western Balkans XD
As another albanian I would agree but also we have this weird lack of self-criticism but we can be self-depricating compared to western europeans and americans so its strange we are in that sense really balkan.
@@Windsofchange99 The UK are ethnic europeans and are europeans no matter what some anglicans might be kept awake at night about. UK comedy is relatively famous for being self deprecating and self attacking, darkish.
@@Windsofchange99 as a Balkaner and a fluent English speaker I must say I am impressed that you as an ethnic Albanian can formulate such compex and well structured sentences, this in turn makes me believe that perhaps some Albanians are capable of higher linguistic thoughts and abstract concepts that may put some of you on the same level as most modern humans thus shedding the well established stereotypes of being medieval mountain peoples
@@sprig3432 I hope that this was a joke, because I laughed. If it isn't, you are the kind of person that gives the Balkans a bad name. But you're obviously joking and being ironic, in which case, kudos.
@@spiritbond8 Being a balkaner is about having a corrupt and conservative mindset. It doesn't matter if you're from Bulgaria or Slovenia. You can be even in country like America and stil lbe balkaner. It's something to be ashamed of btw if you can't tell...
In sweden the version of this is the southernmost part and west coast are somewhat social and amicable places whereas everything else is stone cold quiet robot land.
Nope. Croats and Slovenes want to push this joke since they feel inferior to western and central europe, but all other balkan nations are proud balkan nations. That’s the truth. This joke comes from their shame of being balkan and it’s funny but not true. True only for Slovenia, Croatia and Hungary or should I say catholic countries that always wanted to be separated from Muslim and Orthodox Balkan nations.
@@hyro3292true. It even gets weirder when a Croat from Herzegovina or Dalmatia will say he's Central European, but a Serb from Vojvodina admits to be proud of being Balkan, when Vojvodina is way more "Central European"-ish than Dalmatia or Herzegovina and arguably fits better in Central Europe than Balkan.
What is Eastern Europe? - German will say that their country is West Europe and to the east is Eastern Europe. - But Poland would say they are not Eastern Europe, but they are Central Europe, and east of them is Eastern Europe. - According to Belarus, there are no Central Europe and say that they are the border between East and Western Europe. - But in the when you go far enough to Russia, they will say that all of the country in the east of Germany is Eastern Europe. They will even claim that former East Germany is actually a buffer zone between East and West Europe.
@@peterpetrov4809isnt this how it starts? "Proudly rise the Balkan peaks, At their feet Blue Danube flows; Over Thrace the sun is shining, Pirin looms in purple glow."
I am Romanian si for me, so if you call me Balkans, it is Ok. I am very Ok to be from Balkans. And I am ok if you say that I have some Slavic blood inside my veins. I like very much all Slavic people. So I am ok, do you understand me?
Idk, aside from the Croats, I think everyone else I've met from the area (Serbs, Bosnians, Albanians, Bulgarians, Macedonians, etc) admits that they're from the balkans.
Even inside Germany itself there's this division. We "Prussians" in the North don't really consider Bavaria part of the civilized world. They're too religious and in some ways backwards, they are part of the "weird mountain guys", together with Austria. Bismarck once said "The Bavarian is the missing link between human and Austrian". In Bavaria itself, the northern part of the state, there's a region called Franken/Franconia, around Nuremberg, the people there get very angry when you call them Bavarian, because they really are closer to the neighboring states Hesse and Thuringia in terms of culture and dialect and just happen to not get their own federal state after WW2 and have to stick with Bavaria now. Even inside Cologne, there are jokes between people who live on the left and right bank of the Rhine river. The Romans founded Cologne (as a colony, hence the name Colonia -> Cologne), but the Empire's border went precisely along the Rhine, so that left-Rhinish Cologners are either civilized or weak, and right-Rhinish Cologners barbarians or part of the strong resistance, depending on who you ask of course. I also know that there's a division between northern and southern France too, but I'm not French. All I know is the North prefers butter and the South olive oil.
Us Greeks were never bothered by the Balkan tag though. In the ‘90s when former socialist countries tried to get rid of anything that reminded of their past and coined the (stupid) term “southeast Europe” (Georgia is southeast Europe), Greeks were well entrenched members of western institutions like NATO and EU for decades already. Although culturally only the northern part of the country is actually Balkan. Rest is more euro med/sunny south.
I'm Hungarian descent in America and my Dutch boyfriend called Hungary balkan and I was like, for real? Then Hungarians call themselves Central Europe, but here in the states it's Eastern Europe, and then you're like: who bloody cares. Is Balkan just a term for European countries once occupied by the Ottomans? In that case, Hungary qualifies.
Balkan is a peninsula therefore it is geographically defined. That's the most precise way to describe it. Hungary is not a part of this territory. Your Dutch boyfriend probably used the term in a cultural sense which proves Zizek's point. In this case "Balkan" means culturally inferior, primitive etc. Tell him he's wrong and be proud of your ancestry.
Kosovo is as Serbian as England is American. Americans know that their culture originates from there, but do they beliefe England should be part of the USA? No.
@@ekesandras1481Wrong. The US and the UK are 2 seperate fully internationally recognised states and members of the UN. Kosovo, the Serbian province and heartland, according to United Nations SC resolution 1244, is Serbian sovereign territory, currently de facto under control by local Albanian sepatarists and occupied by nato (the US).
Zanmljiva mi je karta Jugovine od Žižeka, nema autoceste, nema granica republika, Bjelovar je neka selendra kojom se dolazi samo iz Križevaca i nema dalje. Tema Balkan je već stara otrcana, Žižek ju samo obradio. Cijeli svijet je Balkan-balkon.
😂 Vi ste Balkan uvijek bili i ostali. Hrvatska vojna granica ?😂 Austrijska vojna granica , a ne hrvatska... 200 godina je 2/3 Hrvatske bilo pod turskom vlašću. Skoro 1000 godina Hrvatska je bila pod mađarskom vlašću, a Mađari su iz Azije( porijeklom Turci)
Greeks are Balkans as much as British are European. For geographic reasons mainly. And MAYBE for historical/cultural reasons a little bit. Mostly for geographic reasons
Actually the main determinants for Balkan in culture wise is the influence of the Ottoman Empire and having historical grievances with your neighbours (Balkan chaos). Greece has all of the cultural Balkan elements: The old chaos namely the grievances towards Turkey, the name wars with Macedonia, territorial disputes, plus the total Ottoman heritage on its food, music and culture. Greece is not just geographically Balkan, but also culturally.
@@pistolpetetc No ! Balkan-geographical term. Balkan-orthodox christans mostly, but there is muslims and catolics too. Balkan- birthplace of Europe(Lepenski Vir,Vinča, Starčevo, Old Greece, Constantinopol...)
Žižek is on point about the "they" and the "we" thing, but otherwise: historically Balkan was a term that one German geographer used for Ottoman European territories, named after a mountain in Bulgaria which is named Balkan (Turkish for a mountainous forested terrain) because he thought that mountain range was all over the region, which is wrong. Balkan penninsula is wrong as well - it doesn't fit with scientific determinaton of a pennisula (wrong ratio between water and land borders). Balkan is in fact a geopolitical term, that is mostly obsolete, it doesn't reflect cultural, historical and geographical realities in their fullest, but only (past) political ones. To make everything short - Balkan is a very vague term that most of people wrongly use as a fixed defenition. Edit: Žižek in video is using the river Ljubljanica as the border for Balkan, when in fact Slovenia was never under the Ottoman rule and before the end of WW1 was never thought of as a Balkan region. Even Serbian geograpers in times of Jugoslavia were using river Sava (and Danube) as the border of Balkan - their goal was to enlarge the borders of Balkan for unitarian purposes (there are many defenitons of Balkan borders).
Serbs wouldn’t say serajevo, Bosniaks are lighter than us, this is western propaganda to make it seem like Bosniaks are more minority than us and thus deserve sympathy
Read about the Dinaric race The Dinaric race is largely present among the Serbs, so they appear to have olive skin Many also have Balto-Slav ethnicity The Russians even have a denarius race
From most Europeans the Balkans are all the former Yugoslavian republics. Even if technically Greece, Albania, Bulgaria and Romania should be included because they are part of the geographical balkan peninsula, most of us don't consider it as such
@@bulgariainsight429 I thought that it was the peninsula going from the top of the adrian sea to the black see. Looking it up that seems be the definition with the addition that it is only the mountain region. There are also the Balkan mountains wich are much smaller and the word itself seems to come from Asia at some point and was used to simply refer to mountains.
Maybe the real Balkans are the friends we all made along the way
more like the civilians we kill along the way
*the friends we genociced along the way
Balkan love is fake. Before yugoslav civil war we loved each other. Did rock and roll concerts, and had fun. How was it possible to have war and hate each other until this day? It was fake love and never trust balkan friendship again. I am a pessimist same like Slavoj and I think we are all fake with that balkan bs.
Lmao
Made my day, what a wholesome comment.
>Bad times make strong Slavs
>Strong Slavs make bad times
>Bad times make strong Slavs
and repeat
slav never weak, but no good time
except slovenia where weak men create femboys
You mean slaves?
@@kostaborojevic498 No Slaves. Slavs.
Slav, Slavs from Slava (glory).
Glorious people (Slavs) from glorious land (Slavia).
And so on and so on
"Brussels is the new Istanbul", I love this man.
I think he meant Constantinople
bro explained Brexit mentality beautifully 😅
People are misunderstanding what he's trying to say.
It's not about actually being from the Balkans or not, that's the whole point.
"Balkan" is a projection of one's own failures, fears and insecurities onto neighbours you consider even worse.
That's why it's expandable to France on the one side and even the middle east on the other (Turks considering Arabs e.g. Syrians as lesser)
More than that it is just a joke, that you should not take too serious
You are clearly from the Balkan. Stupid and everything.
Yes exactly, this is the paradox: "Balkan" is always somewhere else, depending on who you ask, but "Balkan" is also everywhere if you take it as a synonym of disorder, backwardness and disunion.
If Yugoslavia wasn't a failure everyone would want to call themselves a valkan
@@sharymitidieri4632 Only Bulgaria will never deny it is Balkan
"Where are the Balkans?"
Me, a Spanish person: **lives in a mountainous country with several nationalistic independence movements**
Soon...
What are the ones other than catalonia? Muslim grenada?
@@maximhornby5493 Basque Country, Galicia and of less prominence, Leon, Asturias and Cantabria.
@@maximhornby5493 Jesus Christ. No?
Have you heard of the Basque? ETA? Spain's IRA, essentially?
Also Galicia has a little separatist movement. And Asturias, Aragon, Navarra, Valencia, the islands, and Andalucía do have their own cultural thing going as well.
@@nostur4984 no idea they were going for independence. Basque and galicia are the only ones ive heard about
You could make a similar joke about who's Middle Eastern. Turks will claim that everyone below them is Middle Eastern for they are truly, Europeans. Egyptians will say that their civilization goes much further back, to the pyramids and pharaohs, thus they aren't truly Middle Eastern. The Lebanese will say that they're truly Phoenicians and that their culture is much too distinct to be merely Middle Easterner. Saudi Arabia, Oman, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, and Bahrain will say that they're Gulf States, with class and wealth that truly separates them from the Middle East. Iranians, much like the Egyptians, will remind you that they're a much older culture and civilization, that they don't even speak Arabic, and thus cannot be Middle Eastern. Georgians and Armenians will say that they're Christian, and that the Caucasus is European. And Israelis will be offended by the question, and pretend that they're a country in Mediterranean Europe.
I think the Caucasus can be safely excluded from the Middle East because it’s very rare that someone refers to it that way and this is all a matter of culture and politics anyway
@@treyebillups8602 I'm Mexican and live in LA, I find it that we think of Armenians as "Middle Eastern" since to us they share more similarities with similar diasporas here, like the Persians and Arabs of LA, than they do to Anglo Angelenos.
@@nemesis962074 Interesting perspective, I’m from upstate New York so I’m not equipped to contest it any further
@@treyebillups8602Depends… what about the Azeris though?
@@ExploradorMundialX Why would they be Middle-Eastern? Because they're Muslims? Then wouldn't Albanians and Bosniaks be Middle-Eastern too?
Slavoj Žižek: ceo of the funny zone
Balkan isnt a state .... its a state of mind :)
Perhaps Yugoslavia was doomed to fail since it's foundation after the Great War.
Slavoj’s intellectual discussions are second to none, especially geopolitical. What he says in the video, the way he says it, might seem superficial at first, but there is a deeply rooted human psychology message that he is trying to convey. Brilliant
History, geography, a dash of social-political humour and Žižekian joking around...
What a video!
Only the Bulgarians can't find an excuse not to be in the Balkans since the Balkan mountain that gave its name to the peninsula is in Bulgaria.
Yet no one considers them Balkan lol
@@mimisvet8671 What? Literally anyone but you lol
@@mimisvet8671 wat
They'll tell you, that they're part of the EU and they're not even slavs, but descendents of the great Bulgarian Empire.
@@kundbalint4091 But they will never deny that Bulgaria is Balkan.
The king of ideology. He truly shows how deeply rooted ideology is in words like Balkan
"Where Balkan begins...Slavic, Primitives, etc"
Love this guy
And so on
Etcetera etcetera
This is actually very accurate lmao
Why?
@@santa173 How you ever talked with a Slovenian or Croatian?
@@astrolillo can confirm as someone with a Slovenian parent lmao
Very inaccurate - Sava and Danube are convention border between balkan and mitteleuropa
@@dcinput7645 So Romania is in mitteleuropa, ja?
This was so magnificently true as a Turk living Toronto by myself, i can confidently confirm this guy's each line is a fact. Additionally basically describing Balkans being the magnetic point of Europe.
The serbs are your children
Yes, the point everyone wants to stay away from
Point of exploitation and frustration, area they wanna spit on to feel better about themselves - Europe is quite pathetic
@@mimisvet8671 Odakle si😘
The Balkans are the magnetic point of Europe? The theory of electromagnetism isn't enough to describe the region accurately, because the Balkans are a black hole.
And still no one talks about how actually all of yugoslavia is technically, based on concrete and innocent physical geography/topography, corresponding to the dinaric alps, while the actual balkan mountains are for 90% of their territorial extension in bulgaria, which interestingly is a country always forgotten when talking about the balkans...
the real question is romania. geographically speaking it doesn't seem balkan, but clearly balkan.
I guess we can just label it inside the wider grographical zone of "eestern yourope", because if romania is balkan at this point even countries like Slovakia or Moldova are balkan, but they clearly aren't imo. Maybe carpathian?
@@Мразъ-с5я i don't think balkans include eastern europe. greece and albania are clearly not eastern europe, and there are other discussable parts.
Yugoslavia is remembered because it stood for several ideas and did things differently.
@@theo3357 Romania is as balkan as ones can imagine. Its so underrated, it flew under the underrated talks.
"where are the balkans you ask? I'll tell you...
...the real balkans are in your heart"
As an Argentine, I think Balkan is everything north of Paraguay and east of Uruguay.
Word up for trying
The same works with where Eastern Europe starts as well
some people don't seem to understand what he's talking about, so just to explain: he isn't talking about actual borders, he's talking about xenophobia/racism
We in Croatia have a saying; "Što južnije to tužnije" meaning the southerner the sadder, guess other nations think the same way
In Sweden, Korea, Norway it is the opposite
@@NikolaPetrović-v4s in UK and Finland it is the opposite too. Arguably Greece as well.
I'm Italian and I feel like professor doesn't call me for oral exam. That kind of relief.
E l'Istria?
@@federicoclaps5099 Balkans too. Trieste too
Except the British also believe that Northern Ireland is "Balkanized"
Any non Anglo nized nations are primitive "Balkans" not including Germanic nations
They are a synonym for tribal or primitive Europeans which are stuck in the pre colonial era
Most British people don't even know Northern Ireland is in the UK. Only Americans are worse at geography than us.
@@sprig3432 does that include the Iberian nations and Italy?
@@sprig3432 As an anglo i can tell you this is not how we think of or use the word "Blakan"
No we don't, no one in Britain ever says "northern Ireland is balkanised" or would consider part of their own country to be so. The only context in which British people use the word Balkanised, is when referring to the event of 1 or multiple nations, breaking up into smaller and smaller nations, usually when those following smaller countries are even less functional and more problematic than before, especially when this process happens rapidly, this is what we commonly refer to in Britain as "balkanisation". For example if the UK suddenly all became independent as N.Ireland, Wales and Scotland, England would consider that to be balkanisation. I have no idea where you have gotten this idea from.
Every country has its own balkan neighbour.
Romania here. We are in Balkans because we are poor
Scientists are still trying to answer this question.
Actually it starts in Syldavia. Although the Syldavians says it starts in Borduria.
Beautiful
It is true to some extent. He is referring to the term Balkans in terms of politics, philosophy and understanding Balkans as a place of wars and bad stuff, non-civilization etc. That doesn't correspond with the geographic limits of the Balkan Peninsula, which has its limits in southern Slovenia and Central Croatia, but also in the Central Serbia (Belgrade, for example, is the last Balkan city in Serbia, everything north from the Danube and Sava rivers is Central Europe).
But here he talks about cultural conceptions of Balkans. I, as a graduate of anthropology, have been exposed to these theories for almost a decade now and while none all of them are completely accurate from a strictly geographical point of view, they are definitely there as a psychological borders between the "Barbaric" and "Civilized" world. And he is also right, because Slovenia Serbia and Croatia are very, very European countries (Vojvodina and Macva occupy around 40 percent of Serbia, maybe even more), and also he is right because there is always a projection of our INNER BALKANS, our INNER SELF, which we are trying to place somewhere in the subconscious.
From that standpoint, every place has its own Balkans-The US had the Old West, now the South as the least wealthy and "civilized" place, Germany has Austria and Bavaria, Croatia has Dalmatia... Balkans is a place from where we all originate, we love that place and also we are ashamed to be a part of that place (but nevertheless we all come back to enjoy it).
Balkan is all the independent countries we made along the way
"We and what country."
In Greece we also say that we are in Balkans, we don't exclude our country of this region.
%70 of greece is not located in balkan. you go south of thessaloniki and its a mixture of south europe and levant
@@HaraldSjellose I would say Balkan peninsula is till Attica, Peloponnese and the islands maybe not in Balkans geographically,so you mean 70% is in Balkans, the rest may be not
@@ΣτέφανοςΒκς I could also say %70 of Turkey is actually culturally and historically located within europe. But some politician guys say otherwise
@@HaraldSjellose Personally, idk the exact percentage, but indeed Turkey also has a European part, the one part of Thrace so in terms of land and historically, and because idk many of Turkish culture,but i can assume we have common aspects, yes Turkey has also a portion of Europe's and Balkan's identity
@@HaraldSjellose vay amk soyadımız aynı
Even the map is shaking like an addict
This attitude has existed since the Medieval Period.
According to Tuchmann's book A Distant Mirror, The English and French nobility considered Germans etc to be cruel and barbaric people.
Which is a bit odd considering the Holy Roman Empire (Germany, Austria, and Bohemia) was arguably more civilized. Same deal with the Romans calling the Gauls cruel and barbaric when there's a case to be made the Gauls were just as if not more civilized.
@@spikem5950 Versailles palace had no toilets until 18th century.Civilization starts with your own hygiene.
The image and imagination of Balkan depends on your historical knowledge level on your consciousness level
In Hamburg we say everything south of the Elbe river is Balkan xD
In Serbia we saying :" We are Balkan. We are not West, England, Germany, naz!s, colonial k!llers and colonial r0bbers".
Excellent clip
No matter who says where the Balkan is, all of them can agree that R.Macedonia and Albania (and probably Bulgaria) are the Balkan. I don't know about Albania, but we here the Macedonians have always considered ourselves Balkaners. Pozdrav do svima Balkanci, od Makedonija!
As an Albanian, I can confirm we indeed see ourselves as Balkans .
But we dislike the term Eastern Europe, we prefer south eastern Europe, or western Balkans XD
As another albanian I would agree but also we have this weird lack of self-criticism but we can be self-depricating compared to western europeans and americans so its strange we are in that sense really balkan.
@@Windsofchange99 The UK are ethnic europeans and are europeans no matter what some anglicans might be kept awake at night about. UK comedy is relatively famous for being self deprecating and self attacking, darkish.
@@Windsofchange99 as a Balkaner and a fluent English speaker I must say I am impressed that you as an ethnic Albanian can formulate such compex and well structured sentences, this in turn makes me believe that perhaps some Albanians are capable of higher linguistic thoughts and abstract concepts that may put some of you on the same level as most modern humans thus shedding the well established stereotypes of being medieval mountain peoples
@@sprig3432 I hope that this was a joke, because I laughed. If it isn't, you are the kind of person that gives the Balkans a bad name.
But you're obviously joking and being ironic, in which case, kudos.
I'm balkan 100% no problem
Ok Ante pogaži njima xD.
samo da ja nisam
exzellent, 1minute and he explain the real world😎
for all of the croatians celebrating their entrance into the EU: the goal post is always moving...
As an American, I wholeheartedly believe that the Balkans are everything to the east of the Atlantic Ocean
I'm surprised that he left us, the Albanians, out! You guys should watch the long version.
I know just how enraged they get at being called “Eastern Europe”, didn’t know Balkan was also a problem.
The area between cities of Vienna and Istanbul is the Balkans.
Exactly
Geography-wise the Balkan mountains are mostly in Bulgaria and Eastern Serbia.
Hello youtube algorithm, this will blow up.
At least no one disagrees Bulgaria is Balkan.
I do, we don't have that much in common with other Balkans countries, we're not really that balkan
@@ベース-l1f You are the definition of Balkan, if you think you're not like other countries that makes *them* un-Balkan.
@@spiritbond8 Being a balkaner is about having a corrupt and conservative mindset. It doesn't matter if you're from Bulgaria or Slovenia. You can be even in country like America and stil lbe balkaner.
It's something to be ashamed of btw if you can't tell...
@@ベース-l1f You have been duped! It's the capitalist imperialists who corrupt your politicians that should be ashamed, not their victims!
@@ベース-l1f Balkan is primarily Kosovo and Bosnia, but also Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia. Basically all non-EU States.
real "post the most racist joke ya got" energy here, i love it ❤
brilliant
MAYBE THE REAL BALKAN IS THE FRIENDS WE MADE ALONG THE WAY
It is so confusing to read about west Balkan countries applying for the EU membership.
The dutch: lmao, brits 😂😂
In sweden the version of this is the southernmost part and west coast are somewhat social and amicable places whereas everything else is stone cold quiet robot land.
So basically, *The balkans refuses to admit* that it exists.
Nope. Croats and Slovenes want to push this joke since they feel inferior to western and central europe, but all other balkan nations are proud balkan nations. That’s the truth. This joke comes from their shame of being balkan and it’s funny but not true. True only for Slovenia, Croatia and Hungary or should I say catholic countries that always wanted to be separated from Muslim and Orthodox Balkan nations.
No
@@hyro3292true. It even gets weirder when a Croat from Herzegovina or Dalmatia will say he's Central European, but a Serb from Vojvodina admits to be proud of being Balkan, when Vojvodina is way more "Central European"-ish than Dalmatia or Herzegovina and arguably fits better in Central Europe than Balkan.
What is Eastern Europe?
- German will say that their country is West Europe and to the east is Eastern Europe.
- But Poland would say they are not Eastern Europe, but they are Central Europe, and east of them is Eastern Europe.
- According to Belarus, there are no Central Europe and say that they are the border between East and Western Europe.
- But in the when you go far enough to Russia, they will say that all of the country in the east of Germany is Eastern Europe. They will even claim that former East Germany is actually a buffer zone between East and West Europe.
what is this from?
Bulgaria is the true Balkan! :D
i was thinking what excuse can he say for bulgaria its even in their anthem xd
@@derp8184 The word "Balkan" is nowhere in the lyrics.
@@peterpetrov4809isnt this how it starts?
"Proudly rise the Balkan peaks,
At their feet Blue Danube flows;
Over Thrace the sun is shining,
Pirin looms in purple glow."
@@derp8184 It's bullshit translation.
@@derp8184 The lyrics is "Горда Стара планина, до ней Дунава синей".
Now there is even a verb in politics "to balkanize".
Another episode of Trial of Civilization
I am Romanian si for me, so if you call me Balkans, it is Ok. I am very Ok to be from Balkans. And I am ok if you say that I have some Slavic blood inside my veins. I like very much all Slavic people. So I am ok, do you understand me?
❤️ 😅
/r/2balkan4you Origins.
Bulgaria???!!!
Idk, aside from the Croats, I think everyone else I've met from the area (Serbs, Bosnians, Albanians, Bulgarians, Macedonians, etc) admits that they're from the balkans.
I'm Croat and Balkan. Some just say that because of turks invasion
@@Ante_Knezevic slavs also invaded balkans, that's why you are in croatia and not in ukraine 👎🏼
@@nurErst0816 Yes but when we come here nobody was here
@@Ante_Knezevic Wrong, it was already an habited land. You just changed the language of the locals and made them new slavicized croats.
@@nurErst0816 Really who was here before Croatians
Even inside Germany itself there's this division. We "Prussians" in the North don't really consider Bavaria part of the civilized world. They're too religious and in some ways backwards, they are part of the "weird mountain guys", together with Austria. Bismarck once said "The Bavarian is the missing link between human and Austrian".
In Bavaria itself, the northern part of the state, there's a region called Franken/Franconia, around Nuremberg, the people there get very angry when you call them Bavarian, because they really are closer to the neighboring states Hesse and Thuringia in terms of culture and dialect and just happen to not get their own federal state after WW2 and have to stick with Bavaria now.
Even inside Cologne, there are jokes between people who live on the left and right bank of the Rhine river. The Romans founded Cologne (as a colony, hence the name Colonia -> Cologne), but the Empire's border went precisely along the Rhine, so that left-Rhinish Cologners are either civilized or weak, and right-Rhinish Cologners barbarians or part of the strong resistance, depending on who you ask of course.
I also know that there's a division between northern and southern France too, but I'm not French. All I know is the North prefers butter and the South olive oil.
Us Greeks were never bothered by the Balkan tag though. In the ‘90s when former socialist countries tried to get rid of anything that reminded of their past and coined the (stupid) term “southeast Europe” (Georgia is southeast Europe), Greeks were well entrenched members of western institutions like NATO and EU for decades already. Although culturally only the northern part of the country is actually Balkan. Rest is more euro med/sunny south.
serbs dont fit in this, they will tell you that Serbia is Balkan and Balkan is Serbia 😁
We are the epicenter of Balkan we dont have to prove anything lol
We Romanians also say that Europe civilisation started from Romania and that we are not Balkans either.
I'm Hungarian descent in America and my Dutch boyfriend called Hungary balkan and I was like, for real? Then Hungarians call themselves Central Europe, but here in the states it's Eastern Europe, and then you're like: who bloody cares. Is Balkan just a term for European countries once occupied by the Ottomans? In that case, Hungary qualifies.
Balkan is a peninsula therefore it is geographically defined. That's the most precise way to describe it. Hungary is not a part of this territory.
Your Dutch boyfriend probably used the term in a cultural sense which proves Zizek's point. In this case "Balkan" means culturally inferior, primitive etc.
Tell him he's wrong and be proud of your ancestry.
And then you go to the iberian peninsula and every country outside the peninsula is balkan and we're the true rulers of the world
where is West？
Slavoj, nice of you to mention our Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohija, Slovenians are always true friends.
Kosovo is as Serbian as England is American. Americans know that their culture originates from there, but do they beliefe England should be part of the USA? No.
@@ekesandras1481Wrong. The US and the UK are 2 seperate fully internationally recognised states and members of the UN.
Kosovo, the Serbian province and heartland, according to United Nations SC resolution 1244, is Serbian sovereign territory, currently de facto under control by local Albanian sepatarists and occupied by nato (the US).
What is this from
Your mother xaxaxaxaxa.
Zanmljiva mi je karta Jugovine od Žižeka, nema autoceste, nema granica republika, Bjelovar je neka selendra kojom se dolazi samo iz Križevaca i nema dalje. Tema Balkan je već stara otrcana, Žižek ju samo obradio. Cijeli svijet je Balkan-balkon.
A bit exaggerated to say the least
Wait so its all Balkan?
Always has been 👨🚀 🔫
But where is Belka?
I think Croatian military border which stopped existing during the 19th century was what separated the Balkan from not Balkan.
😂 Vi ste Balkan uvijek bili i ostali.
Hrvatska vojna granica ?😂 Austrijska vojna granica , a ne hrvatska...
200 godina je 2/3 Hrvatske bilo pod turskom vlašću. Skoro 1000 godina Hrvatska je bila pod mađarskom vlašću, a Mađari su iz Azije( porijeklom Turci)
@@NikolaPetrović-v4s Die Kroatische Militärgrenze je bio puni službeni naziv tog teritorija. Istina, bili smo potlačeni 1000 godina od raznih sila.
Bolivian would say that all world except Yura village is Balkan
Imo standard its atleast the former yugoslav countries, bulgaria, romania and greece. Maybe hungary also
Not Greece
Albania?
@@ivanmacgar6447 yes
AM I A BALKAN OR NOT? ZIZEK?!
No.
is he wearing a fucking zodiac message t shirt?
OMG, this makes the whole thing even better.
tfw you are baltic but everyone assumes you are "balkan"
Greeks are Balkans as much as British are European. For geographic reasons mainly. And MAYBE for historical/cultural reasons a little bit.
Mostly for geographic reasons
Besides geography Greeks have nothing to do with the balkans
Actually the main determinants for Balkan in culture wise is the influence of the Ottoman Empire and having historical grievances with your neighbours (Balkan chaos).
Greece has all of the cultural Balkan elements: The old chaos namely the grievances towards Turkey, the name wars with Macedonia, territorial disputes, plus the total Ottoman heritage on its food, music and culture.
Greece is not just geographically Balkan, but also culturally.
@@pistolpetetc No !
Balkan-geographical term.
Balkan-orthodox christans mostly, but there is muslims and catolics too.
Balkan- birthplace of Europe(Lepenski Vir,Vinča, Starčevo, Old Greece, Constantinopol...)
Wonderful. Can you link the source here or in the description?
TLDR: in Germany 2028
Žižek is on point about the "they" and the "we" thing, but otherwise: historically Balkan was a term that one German geographer used for Ottoman European territories, named after a mountain in Bulgaria which is named Balkan (Turkish for a mountainous forested terrain) because he thought that mountain range was all over the region, which is wrong. Balkan penninsula is wrong as well - it doesn't fit with scientific determinaton of a pennisula (wrong ratio between water and land borders). Balkan is in fact a geopolitical term, that is mostly obsolete, it doesn't reflect cultural, historical and geographical realities in their fullest, but only (past) political ones. To make everything short - Balkan is a very vague term that most of people wrongly use as a fixed defenition.
Edit: Žižek in video is using the river Ljubljanica as the border for Balkan, when in fact Slovenia was never under the Ottoman rule and before the end of WW1 was never thought of as a Balkan region. Even Serbian geograpers in times of Jugoslavia were using river Sava (and Danube) as the border of Balkan - their goal was to enlarge the borders of Balkan for unitarian purposes (there are many defenitons of Balkan borders).
Serbs wouldn’t say serajevo, Bosniaks are lighter than us, this is western propaganda to make it seem like Bosniaks are more minority than us and thus deserve sympathy
what do you mean by lighter? skin-color?
@@slXD100 …yes?
Seres cedo
Read about the Dinaric race
The Dinaric race is largely present among the Serbs, so they appear to have olive skin
Many also have Balto-Slav ethnicity
The Russians even have a denarius race
From most Europeans the Balkans are all the former Yugoslavian republics. Even if technically Greece, Albania, Bulgaria and Romania should be included because they are part of the geographical balkan peninsula, most of us don't consider it as such
Who doesnt include Albania as part of the Balkans?
@@bulgariainsight429 I thought that it was the peninsula going from the top of the adrian sea to the black see.
Looking it up that seems be the definition with the addition that it is only the mountain region. There are also the Balkan mountains wich are much smaller and the word itself seems to come from Asia at some point and was used to simply refer to mountains.
True
@@HansPeter_ the Balkanians dont consider Albanians keen lol its true
but it still means that there are a center of balkan -- serbia
Caucasus is the new Balkan for Europe
где бакланы, кароч
Post modern karl marx
Most Greeks consider Greece to belong to the balkans
As a Greek I don't
EU = Yugoslavia? Oh gosh, what will happen if EU breaks up ...
He he heee 😈
Omg hahaha good comment hahahaha milošević will rise from his grave to join the feast.
Literally no ones says these
Serbia is the heart of the Balkans
Bulgaria is the heart of the balkans
Serbia is the heart of toilet
@@thehussar9399 no its testicle if you wanna be anatomicly correct
Kosovo xD.
In Romania we call ourselves balkans
This is so true, ask anyone in Vojvodina and they will tell you they are not Balkans...except in you are unfortunate enough to run into a dodjos
I am from Vojvodina and we are definitively agreeing up here we are Balkan with fancy touch
Balkan = parts of Europe that was a provinces of the Ottoman Empire