Slavoj Žižek: Where is Balkan?

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  • @spe3dy744
    @spe3dy744 2 роки тому +862

    Maybe the real Balkans are the friends we all made along the way

    • @125discipline2
      @125discipline2 2 роки тому

      more like the civilians we kill along the way

    • @renzoraschioni3886
      @renzoraschioni3886 2 роки тому +71

      *the friends we genociced along the way

    • @hyro3292
      @hyro3292 Рік тому

      Balkan love is fake. Before yugoslav civil war we loved each other. Did rock and roll concerts, and had fun. How was it possible to have war and hate each other until this day? It was fake love and never trust balkan friendship again. I am a pessimist same like Slavoj and I think we are all fake with that balkan bs.

    • @jaimelannister4852
      @jaimelannister4852 Рік тому +1

      Lmao

    • @fineguy4209
      @fineguy4209 9 місяців тому

      Made my day, what a wholesome comment.

  • @Maximmuss_
    @Maximmuss_ 2 роки тому +552

    >Bad times make strong Slavs
    >Strong Slavs make bad times
    >Bad times make strong Slavs
    and repeat

  • @Mastakilla91
    @Mastakilla91 2 роки тому +662

    People are misunderstanding what he's trying to say.
    It's not about actually being from the Balkans or not, that's the whole point.
    "Balkan" is a projection of one's own failures, fears and insecurities onto neighbours you consider even worse.
    That's why it's expandable to France on the one side and even the middle east on the other (Turks considering Arabs e.g. Syrians as lesser)

    • @ZeekoWay
      @ZeekoWay 2 роки тому +25

      More than that it is just a joke, that you should not take too serious

    • @kostaborojevic498
      @kostaborojevic498 Рік тому +1

      You are clearly from the Balkan. Stupid and everything.

    • @sharymitidieri4632
      @sharymitidieri4632 Рік тому +21

      Yes exactly, this is the paradox: "Balkan" is always somewhere else, depending on who you ask, but "Balkan" is also everywhere if you take it as a synonym of disorder, backwardness and disunion.

    • @vve2059
      @vve2059 Рік тому +2

      If Yugoslavia wasn't a failure everyone would want to call themselves a valkan

    • @fff5081
      @fff5081 Рік тому +3

      ​@@sharymitidieri4632 Only Bulgaria will never deny it is Balkan

  • @morpheusfreeman5209
    @morpheusfreeman5209 2 роки тому +166

    "Brussels is the new Istanbul", I love this man.

  • @nemesis962074
    @nemesis962074 Рік тому +213

    You could make a similar joke about who's Middle Eastern. Turks will claim that everyone below them is Middle Eastern for they are truly, Europeans. Egyptians will say that their civilization goes much further back, to the pyramids and pharaohs, thus they aren't truly Middle Eastern. The Lebanese will say that they're truly Phoenicians and that their culture is much too distinct to be merely Middle Easterner. Saudi Arabia, Oman, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, and Bahrain will say that they're Gulf States, with class and wealth that truly separates them from the Middle East. Iranians, much like the Egyptians, will remind you that they're a much older culture and civilization, that they don't even speak Arabic, and thus cannot be Middle Eastern. Georgians and Armenians will say that they're Christian, and that the Caucasus is European. And Israelis will be offended by the question, and pretend that they're a country in Mediterranean Europe.

    • @treyebillups8602
      @treyebillups8602 Рік тому +11

      I think the Caucasus can be safely excluded from the Middle East because it’s very rare that someone refers to it that way and this is all a matter of culture and politics anyway

    • @nemesis962074
      @nemesis962074 Рік тому +5

      @@treyebillups8602 I'm Mexican and live in LA, I find it that we think of Armenians as "Middle Eastern" since to us they share more similarities with similar diasporas here, like the Persians and Arabs of LA, than they do to Anglo Angelenos.

    • @treyebillups8602
      @treyebillups8602 Рік тому +1

      @@nemesis962074 Interesting perspective, I’m from upstate New York so I’m not equipped to contest it any further

    • @ExploradorMundialX
      @ExploradorMundialX 3 місяці тому +1

      @@treyebillups8602Depends… what about the Azeris though?

    • @treyebillups8602
      @treyebillups8602 3 місяці тому +2

      @@ExploradorMundialX Why would they be Middle-Eastern? Because they're Muslims? Then wouldn't Albanians and Bosniaks be Middle-Eastern too?

  • @worganfreeman2694
    @worganfreeman2694 Рік тому +102

    "Slovenia, balkan begins; slavic = primitive..so on" LMFAO this is hilarious.

  • @bojanvrangeloski
    @bojanvrangeloski 2 роки тому +105

    Balkan isnt a state .... its a state of mind :)

    • @putinstea
      @putinstea 2 роки тому +4

      Perhaps Yugoslavia was doomed to fail since it's foundation after the Great War.

  • @DudeWatIsThis
    @DudeWatIsThis 2 роки тому +210

    "Where are the Balkans?"
    Me, a Spanish person: **lives in a mountainous country with several nationalistic independence movements**

    • @VersusARCH
      @VersusARCH 2 роки тому +9

      Soon...

    • @maximhornby5493
      @maximhornby5493 2 роки тому +3

      What are the ones other than catalonia? Muslim grenada?

    • @arkle519
      @arkle519 2 роки тому +11

      @@maximhornby5493 Basque Country, Galicia and of less prominence, Leon, Asturias and Cantabria.

    • @DudeWatIsThis
      @DudeWatIsThis 2 роки тому +10

      @@maximhornby5493 Jesus Christ. No?
      Have you heard of the Basque? ETA? Spain's IRA, essentially?
      Also Galicia has a little separatist movement. And Asturias, Aragon, Navarra, Valencia, the islands, and Andalucía do have their own cultural thing going as well.

    • @maximhornby5493
      @maximhornby5493 2 роки тому

      @@arkle519 no idea they were going for independence. Basque and galicia are the only ones ive heard about

  • @teehubruum6844
    @teehubruum6844 Рік тому +28

    "Where Balkan begins...Slavic, Primitives, etc"
    Love this guy

  • @ilija200
    @ilija200 2 роки тому +208

    Slavoj Žižek: ceo of the funny zone

  • @VersusARCH
    @VersusARCH 2 роки тому +135

    Only the Bulgarians can't find an excuse not to be in the Balkans since the Balkan mountain that gave its name to the peninsula is in Bulgaria.

    • @mimisvet8671
      @mimisvet8671 Рік тому +16

      Yet no one considers them Balkan lol

    • @MultiTheBestGirl
      @MultiTheBestGirl Рік тому +17

      @@mimisvet8671 What? Literally anyone but you lol

    • @HaraldSjellose
      @HaraldSjellose Рік тому +2

      @@mimisvet8671 wat

    • @kundbalint4091
      @kundbalint4091 Рік тому +6

      They'll tell you, that they're part of the EU and they're not even slavs, but descendents of the great Bulgarian Empire.

    • @fff5081
      @fff5081 Рік тому +4

      ​@@kundbalint4091 But they will never deny that Bulgaria is Balkan.

  • @bankerduck4925
    @bankerduck4925 2 роки тому +223

    History, geography, a dash of social-political humour and Žižekian joking around...
    What a video!

  • @lukethomeret-duran5273
    @lukethomeret-duran5273 2 роки тому +103

    The king of ideology. He truly shows how deeply rooted ideology is in words like Balkan

  • @eddieademi
    @eddieademi 2 роки тому +400

    This is actually very accurate lmao

    • @santa173
      @santa173 2 роки тому

      Why?

    • @astrolillo
      @astrolillo 2 роки тому +18

      @@santa173 How you ever talked with a Slovenian or Croatian?

    • @nolanski8902
      @nolanski8902 2 роки тому

      @@astrolillo can confirm as someone with a Slovenian parent lmao

    • @dcinput7645
      @dcinput7645 2 роки тому +1

      Very inaccurate - Sava and Danube are convention border between balkan and mitteleuropa

    • @vasekk.8168
      @vasekk.8168 2 роки тому +16

      @@dcinput7645 So Romania is in mitteleuropa, ja?

  • @markoiugdefsuiegh
    @markoiugdefsuiegh 3 місяці тому +6

    Slavoj’s intellectual discussions are second to none, especially geopolitical. What he says in the video, the way he says it, might seem superficial at first, but there is a deeply rooted human psychology message that he is trying to convey. Brilliant

  • @user-yr3zp2br3y
    @user-yr3zp2br3y 2 роки тому +63

    And still no one talks about how actually all of yugoslavia is technically, based on concrete and innocent physical geography/topography, corresponding to the dinaric alps, while the actual balkan mountains are for 90% of their territorial extension in bulgaria, which interestingly is a country always forgotten when talking about the balkans...

    • @theo3357
      @theo3357 2 роки тому +2

      the real question is romania. geographically speaking it doesn't seem balkan, but clearly balkan.

    • @user-yr3zp2br3y
      @user-yr3zp2br3y 2 роки тому +2

      I guess we can just label it inside the wider grographical zone of "eestern yourope", because if romania is balkan at this point even countries like Slovakia or Moldova are balkan, but they clearly aren't imo. Maybe carpathian?

    • @theo3357
      @theo3357 2 роки тому

      @@user-yr3zp2br3y i don't think balkans include eastern europe. greece and albania are clearly not eastern europe, and there are other discussable parts.

    • @Mastakilla91
      @Mastakilla91 2 роки тому +3

      Yugoslavia is remembered because it stood for several ideas and did things differently.

    • @y.b4251
      @y.b4251 2 роки тому

      @@theo3357 Romania is as balkan as ones can imagine. Its so underrated, it flew under the underrated talks.

  • @annehebert510
    @annehebert510 2 роки тому +106

    Except the British also believe that Northern Ireland is "Balkanized"

    • @sprig3432
      @sprig3432 2 роки тому +9

      Any non Anglo nized nations are primitive "Balkans" not including Germanic nations
      They are a synonym for tribal or primitive Europeans which are stuck in the pre colonial era

    • @Support-your-local-team
      @Support-your-local-team 2 роки тому

      Most British people don't even know Northern Ireland is in the UK. Only Americans are worse at geography than us.

    • @ousarlxsfjsbvbg8588
      @ousarlxsfjsbvbg8588 2 роки тому

      @@sprig3432 does that include the Iberian nations and Italy?

    • @Alfred5555
      @Alfred5555 2 роки тому

      @@sprig3432 As an anglo i can tell you this is not how we think of or use the word "Blakan"

    • @Alfred5555
      @Alfred5555 2 роки тому

      No we don't, no one in Britain ever says "northern Ireland is balkanised" or would consider part of their own country to be so. The only context in which British people use the word Balkanised, is when referring to the event of 1 or multiple nations, breaking up into smaller and smaller nations, usually when those following smaller countries are even less functional and more problematic than before, especially when this process happens rapidly, this is what we commonly refer to in Britain as "balkanisation". For example if the UK suddenly all became independent as N.Ireland, Wales and Scotland, England would consider that to be balkanisation. I have no idea where you have gotten this idea from.

  • @pandarosso96
    @pandarosso96 2 роки тому +24

    I'm Italian and I feel like professor doesn't call me for oral exam. That kind of relief.

  • @taslien
    @taslien 2 роки тому +50

    This was so magnificently true as a Turk living Toronto by myself, i can confidently confirm this guy's each line is a fact. Additionally basically describing Balkans being the magnetic point of Europe.

    • @Ante_Knezevic
      @Ante_Knezevic 2 роки тому

      The serbs are your children

    • @uncannysnake
      @uncannysnake 2 роки тому +8

      Yes, the point everyone wants to stay away from

    • @mimisvet8671
      @mimisvet8671 Рік тому

      Point of exploitation and frustration, area they wanna spit on to feel better about themselves - Europe is quite pathetic

    • @Ante_Knezevic
      @Ante_Knezevic Рік тому

      @@mimisvet8671 Odakle si😘

    • @vaahtobileet
      @vaahtobileet Рік тому +2

      The Balkans are the magnetic point of Europe? The theory of electromagnetism isn't enough to describe the region accurately, because the Balkans are a black hole.

  • @sd5241
    @sd5241 2 роки тому +10

    Every country has its own balkan neighbour.

  • @wheniwasfuckingmydogmycatc6322
    @wheniwasfuckingmydogmycatc6322 Рік тому +17

    And you ask an American and they will tell you, "What's a Ballcan?"

  • @bryanweimer7381
    @bryanweimer7381 Рік тому +7

    "where are the balkans you ask? I'll tell you...
    ...the real balkans are in your heart"

  • @paranormalcro
    @paranormalcro Рік тому +9

    We in Croatia have a saying; "Što južnije to tužnije" meaning the southerner the sadder, guess other nations think the same way

  • @sortingoutmyclothes8131
    @sortingoutmyclothes8131 6 місяців тому +7

    As an Argentine, I think Balkan is everything north of Paraguay and east of Uruguay.

  • @Tommy20136
    @Tommy20136 2 роки тому +13

    The same works with where Eastern Europe starts as well

  • @Ante_Knezevic
    @Ante_Knezevic 2 роки тому +41

    I'm balkan 100% no problem

  • @Dragonman998
    @Dragonman998 Рік тому +5

    The area between cities of Vienna and Istanbul is the Balkans.

  • @milospopovic819
    @milospopovic819 2 роки тому +6

    Balkan is all the independent countries we made along the way

  • @cat_city2009
    @cat_city2009 2 роки тому +11

    This attitude has existed since the Medieval Period.
    According to Tuchmann's book A Distant Mirror, The English and French nobility considered Germans etc to be cruel and barbaric people.

    • @spikem5950
      @spikem5950 Рік тому +3

      Which is a bit odd considering the Holy Roman Empire (Germany, Austria, and Bohemia) was arguably more civilized. Same deal with the Romans calling the Gauls cruel and barbaric when there's a case to be made the Gauls were just as if not more civilized.

    • @veritasvirtuslibertas3787
      @veritasvirtuslibertas3787 3 місяці тому

      @@spikem5950 Versailles palace had no toilets until 18th century.Civilization starts with your own hygiene.

  • @merocaine
    @merocaine 2 роки тому +2

    Beautiful

  • @jovanmladenovic8775
    @jovanmladenovic8775 Рік тому +4

    It is true to some extent. He is referring to the term Balkans in terms of politics, philosophy and understanding Balkans as a place of wars and bad stuff, non-civilization etc. That doesn't correspond with the geographic limits of the Balkan Peninsula, which has its limits in southern Slovenia and Central Croatia, but also in the Central Serbia (Belgrade, for example, is the last Balkan city in Serbia, everything north from the Danube and Sava rivers is Central Europe).
    But here he talks about cultural conceptions of Balkans. I, as a graduate of anthropology, have been exposed to these theories for almost a decade now and while none all of them are completely accurate from a strictly geographical point of view, they are definitely there as a psychological borders between the "Barbaric" and "Civilized" world. And he is also right, because Slovenia Serbia and Croatia are very, very European countries (Vojvodina and Macva occupy around 40 percent of Serbia, maybe even more), and also he is right because there is always a projection of our INNER BALKANS, our INNER SELF, which we are trying to place somewhere in the subconscious.
    From that standpoint, every place has its own Balkans-The US had the Old West, now the South as the least wealthy and "civilized" place, Germany has Austria and Bavaria, Croatia has Dalmatia... Balkans is a place from where we all originate, we love that place and also we are ashamed to be a part of that place (but nevertheless we all come back to enjoy it).

  • @meme.interzone
    @meme.interzone Рік тому

    Excellent clip

  • @DacLMK
    @DacLMK 2 роки тому +64

    No matter who says where the Balkan is, all of them can agree that R.Macedonia and Albania (and probably Bulgaria) are the Balkan. I don't know about Albania, but we here the Macedonians have always considered ourselves Balkaners. Pozdrav do svima Balkanci, od Makedonija!

    • @theillyri8339
      @theillyri8339 2 роки тому +16

      As an Albanian, I can confirm we indeed see ourselves as Balkans .
      But we dislike the term Eastern Europe, we prefer south eastern Europe, or western Balkans XD

    • @Windsofchange99
      @Windsofchange99 2 роки тому +1

      As another albanian I would agree but also we have this weird lack of self-criticism but we can be self-depricating compared to western europeans and americans so its strange we are in that sense really balkan.

    • @seaghan6412
      @seaghan6412 2 роки тому

      @@Windsofchange99 The UK are ethnic europeans and are europeans no matter what some anglicans might be kept awake at night about. UK comedy is relatively famous for being self deprecating and self attacking, darkish.

    • @sprig3432
      @sprig3432 2 роки тому +8

      @@Windsofchange99 as a Balkaner and a fluent English speaker I must say I am impressed that you as an ethnic Albanian can formulate such compex and well structured sentences, this in turn makes me believe that perhaps some Albanians are capable of higher linguistic thoughts and abstract concepts that may put some of you on the same level as most modern humans thus shedding the well established stereotypes of being medieval mountain peoples

    • @the_local_bigamist
      @the_local_bigamist 2 роки тому +4

      @@sprig3432 I hope that this was a joke, because I laughed. If it isn't, you are the kind of person that gives the Balkans a bad name.
      But you're obviously joking and being ironic, in which case, kudos.

  • @rikardstevvon3618
    @rikardstevvon3618 5 місяців тому +1

    In sweden the version of this is the southernmost part and west coast are somewhat social and amicable places whereas everything else is stone cold quiet robot land.

  • @cristianromanoschi6963
    @cristianromanoschi6963 10 місяців тому +3

    Romania here. We are in Balkans because we are poor

  • @lilid95
    @lilid95 Рік тому +2

    Even the map is shaking like an addict

  • @wolfieblack32
    @wolfieblack32 2 роки тому +18

    The image and imagination of Balkan depends on your historical knowledge level on your consciousness level

  • @userlpI13645
    @userlpI13645 2 роки тому +5

    Scientists are still trying to answer this question.

  • @user-mr5on2le4i
    @user-mr5on2le4i 2 роки тому +6

    In Greece we also say that we are in Balkans, we don't exclude our country of this region.

    • @HaraldSjellose
      @HaraldSjellose Рік тому +1

      %70 of greece is not located in balkan. you go south of thessaloniki and its a mixture of south europe and levant

    • @user-mr5on2le4i
      @user-mr5on2le4i Рік тому +1

      @@HaraldSjellose I would say Balkan peninsula is till Attica, Peloponnese and the islands maybe not in Balkans geographically,so you mean 70% is in Balkans, the rest may be not

    • @HaraldSjellose
      @HaraldSjellose Рік тому

      @@user-mr5on2le4i I could also say %70 of Turkey is actually culturally and historically located within europe. But some politician guys say otherwise

    • @user-mr5on2le4i
      @user-mr5on2le4i Рік тому

      @@HaraldSjellose Personally, idk the exact percentage, but indeed Turkey also has a European part, the one part of Thrace so in terms of land and historically, and because idk many of Turkish culture,but i can assume we have common aspects, yes Turkey has also a portion of Europe's and Balkan's identity

    • @mehmetdagdelenli5838
      @mehmetdagdelenli5838 Рік тому

      @@HaraldSjellose vay amk soyadımız aynı

  • @kraatarin8226
    @kraatarin8226 2 роки тому

    brilliant

  • @RhiannonSenpai
    @RhiannonSenpai Рік тому +1

    Geography-wise the Balkan mountains are mostly in Bulgaria and Eastern Serbia.

  • @dimkk605
    @dimkk605 3 місяці тому +1

    Sorry for being witty, but as a Greek I TRULY believe that the Greeks are not Balkan.
    At least, lets say we are the best of the Balkans or an extra-ordinary category of Balkan.
    And that's due to the fact that the Greeks undeniebly contributed by far the most in the formation of the European and the Western civilization (Europe and America and Australia etc).
    We had a great civilization. Everhbody has its own vreat civilization. But, lest face is: somw civilizations are STARS.
    Like Chinese, ancient Egyptians, Romans and a few more...
    The Greeks were AWESOME and the proof for that is that still today so many countries copy the ancient Greek civilization modus vivendi: eg science, philosophy etc
    Its not that we Greeks are better than Slavs...nowadays...Nope. Thats not the case. Its just... Our ancestors did a GREAT JOB. FREAKING AWESOME JOB!
    Maybe in 2250 Slavs will have their own chance in History.
    Maybe the historians of 3.400 AD will talk about the Great Slavic Civilization that overshadowed everybody ever since.
    I am sorry to tell you this... But I truly believe that the only one who can compare to the Greeks are the Anglosaxons. The did great. They outsmart us. They are no. 1 in the whole History of Humanity. Not Greeks. Not Chinese. Not Indians. Not Persians. The Anglosaxons!
    After 5.000 years people are still gonna talk about them.
    Modern Greece is a piece of sh@t ofcourse. We feel ashamed in comparison to ancient Greeks Thats the hard reality.

  • @MESvenssonpost
    @MESvenssonpost 8 місяців тому +1

    Actually it starts in Syldavia. Although the Syldavians says it starts in Borduria.

  • @noonstars
    @noonstars Рік тому +3

    for all of the croatians celebrating their entrance into the EU: the goal post is always moving...

  • @ivanmilanov8386
    @ivanmilanov8386 2 роки тому +33

    Bulgaria is the true Balkan! :D

    • @derp8184
      @derp8184 2 роки тому +3

      i was thinking what excuse can he say for bulgaria its even in their anthem xd

    • @peterpetrov4809
      @peterpetrov4809 2 роки тому +1

      @@derp8184 The word "Balkan" is nowhere in the lyrics.

    • @derp8184
      @derp8184 2 роки тому +6

      @@peterpetrov4809isnt this how it starts?
      "Proudly rise the Balkan peaks,
      At their feet Blue Danube flows;
      Over Thrace the sun is shining,
      Pirin looms in purple glow."

    • @peterpetrov4809
      @peterpetrov4809 2 роки тому +1

      @@derp8184 It's bullshit translation.

    • @peterpetrov4809
      @peterpetrov4809 2 роки тому +2

      @@derp8184 The lyrics is "Горда Стара планина, до ней Дунава синей".

  • @NLJeffEU
    @NLJeffEU Рік тому +1

    The dutch: lmao, brits 😂😂

  • @salmarcano4057
    @salmarcano4057 27 днів тому +1

    I'm Greek and i don't call my country balkan !!

  • @karmabeast
    @karmabeast 7 місяців тому +1

    real "post the most racist joke ya got" energy here, i love it ❤

  • @papertoyss
    @papertoyss 9 місяців тому +3

    I saw this video about a year ago and I didnt comment.
    The term "Balkans" *did not existed* in the area prior the Ottomans and when we speak about the "Balkan Peninsula" this was named by *a mistake* made by an early 18th German geographer, who confused the span of the Balkan mountains considering them dominant in the wider area. "Balkans" is an Ottoman term which is not being accepted by all.
    The reasons why this ~500yo term is not being accepted by for example the Greeks (and as a Greek myself I can argue on this) is because *on one hand* the Greeks have their own name for this area which *predates* the term "Balkans" by *3-4,000yo (if not more),* and on the *other hand* this term "Balkans" is being used for vastly political and cultural reasons which does not apply to Greece; *while there's also one more* reason, a more devious one *for all peoples of this area that includes the Greeks:* it is being used by foreign politics, politicians and diplomats as a slang word, in order to describe some uncivilized and primitive kinds of people which stand as an example to avoid. These the latters should be reminded that each and everyone of them played a small or bigger part into actually making a mess of this area for close to a century and even as we speak, and all this time *they stand aside laughing.*
    Anyways, the term Balkans is not just a toponym and it may refer to one's history or not.
    As a Greek it does not refer to my history, culture and historical toponyms all of which *predate* any Ottoman term by many millennials.
    Im sorry Slavoj, you know you cant be 100% right in everything you suggest.

    • @me213516
      @me213516 8 місяців тому +2

      "I saw this video about a year ago and I didnt comment." You should have stuck with that.

    • @papertoyss
      @papertoyss 8 місяців тому +2

      @@me213516 Yeah, I know... I had *the exact same reaction* with the bs Slavoj said on this video. He's no God you know. In the beggining of the 1821 Greek War for Independence, a great movement of Philhellenes emerged in Europe and the US. For example, the German Legion was a military body, consisting of German and Swiss Philhellenes and its purpose was the military reinforcement of the rebel Greeks. *All these* Philhellenes were motivated by the Greek History and by hundreds of some of the most significant scholars their time (eg Lord Byron) who were calling them to aid the Greeks in their struggle for freedom and into reclaiming the _Greek Peninsula,_ *not* the south Balkans.

    • @Kiki-ov2xw
      @Kiki-ov2xw 7 місяців тому +1

      Average Triggered Balkaner

    • @papertoyss
      @papertoyss 7 місяців тому

      @@Kiki-ov2xw Average triggered mo***n

    • @ayararesara6253
      @ayararesara6253 2 місяці тому

      So how do you call the peninsula?

  • @christian2M
    @christian2M Рік тому +3

    I am Romanian si for me, so if you call me Balkans, it is Ok. I am very Ok to be from Balkans. And I am ok if you say that I have some Slavic blood inside my veins. I like very much all Slavic people. So I am ok, do you understand me?

  • @Memento-_-Mori-_-982
    @Memento-_-Mori-_-982 Рік тому

    I'm surprised that he left us, the Albanians, out! You guys should watch the long version.

  • @aswler
    @aswler 2 роки тому +1

    It is so confusing to read about west Balkan countries applying for the EU membership.

  • @multicrogamer
    @multicrogamer 2 роки тому +2

    Hello youtube algorithm, this will blow up.

  • @spiritbond8
    @spiritbond8 Рік тому +3

    At least no one disagrees Bulgaria is Balkan.

    • @user-di8kl4cc5u
      @user-di8kl4cc5u Рік тому

      I do, we don't have that much in common with other Balkans countries, we're not really that balkan

    • @spiritbond8
      @spiritbond8 Рік тому +1

      @@user-di8kl4cc5u You are the definition of Balkan, if you think you're not like other countries that makes *them* un-Balkan.

    • @user-di8kl4cc5u
      @user-di8kl4cc5u Рік тому

      @@spiritbond8 Being a balkaner is about having a corrupt and conservative mindset. It doesn't matter if you're from Bulgaria or Slovenia. You can be even in country like America and stil lbe balkaner.
      It's something to be ashamed of btw if you can't tell...

    • @spiritbond8
      @spiritbond8 Рік тому

      @@user-di8kl4cc5u You have been duped! It's the capitalist imperialists who corrupt your politicians that should be ashamed, not their victims!

    • @arianb.6174
      @arianb.6174 Рік тому

      ​@@user-di8kl4cc5u Balkan is primarily Kosovo and Bosnia, but also Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia. Basically all non-EU States.

  • @JJ-ts6zo
    @JJ-ts6zo 2 роки тому +2

    /r/2balkan4you Origins.

  • @vve2059
    @vve2059 Рік тому

    Another episode of Trial of Civilization

  • @ahmedabdelftah6326
    @ahmedabdelftah6326 9 місяців тому

    MAYBE THE REAL BALKAN IS THE FRIENDS WE MADE ALONG THE WAY

  • @thelusogerman3021
    @thelusogerman3021 Місяць тому

    And then you go to the iberian peninsula and every country outside the peninsula is balkan and we're the true rulers of the world

  • @bart5158
    @bart5158 2 роки тому +9

    A bit exaggerated to say the least

  • @luciabrunette
    @luciabrunette Рік тому

    Now there is even a verb in politics "to balkanize".

  • @Tomoko_Kuroki888
    @Tomoko_Kuroki888 2 роки тому +4

    Imo standard its atleast the former yugoslav countries, bulgaria, romania and greece. Maybe hungary also

  • @DabaksolGuardPost
    @DabaksolGuardPost 2 місяці тому

    What is Eastern Europe?
    - German will say that their country is West Europe and to the east is Eastern Europe.
    - But Poland would say they are not Eastern Europe, but they are Central Europe, and east of them is Eastern Europe.
    - According to Belarus, there are no Central Europe and say that they are the border between East and Western Europe.
    - But in the when you go far enough to Russia, they will say that all of the country in the east of Germany is Eastern Europe. They will even claim that former East Germany is actually a buffer zone between East and West Europe.

  • @gstephenson9442
    @gstephenson9442 4 місяці тому

    I know just how enraged they get at being called “Eastern Europe”, didn’t know Balkan was also a problem.

  • @MetalUndergroundDemo
    @MetalUndergroundDemo 2 роки тому +7

    Most Greeks consider Greece to belong to the balkans

  • @krealyesitisbeta5642
    @krealyesitisbeta5642 2 роки тому +1

    So basically, *The balkans refuses to admit* that it exists.

    • @hyro3292
      @hyro3292 Рік тому +4

      Nope. Croats and Slovenes want to push this joke since they feel inferior to western and central europe, but all other balkan nations are proud balkan nations. That’s the truth. This joke comes from their shame of being balkan and it’s funny but not true. True only for Slovenia, Croatia and Hungary or should I say catholic countries that always wanted to be separated from Muslim and Orthodox Balkan nations.

    • @mimisvet8671
      @mimisvet8671 Рік тому

      No

  • @Marauder1981
    @Marauder1981 2 роки тому +1

    TLDR: in Germany 2028

  • @bulgarian0016
    @bulgarian0016 2 роки тому +3

    Bulgaria???!!!

  • @user-wo3yj6jm3l
    @user-wo3yj6jm3l 7 місяців тому

    Even inside Germany itself there's this division. We "Prussians" in the North don't really consider Bavaria part of the civilized world. They're too religious and in some ways backwards, they are part of the "weird mountain guys", together with Austria. Bismarck once said "The Bavarian is the missing link between human and Austrian".
    In Bavaria itself, the northern part of the state, there's a region called Franken/Franconia, around Nuremberg, the people there get very angry when you call them Bavarian, because they really are closer to the neighboring states Hesse and Thuringia in terms of culture and dialect and just happen to not get their own federal state after WW2 and have to stick with Bavaria now.
    Even inside Cologne, there are jokes between people who live on the left and right bank of the Rhine river. The Romans founded Cologne (as a colony, hence the name Colonia -> Cologne), but the Empire's border went precisely along the Rhine, so that left-Rhinish Cologners are either civilized or weak, and right-Rhinish Cologners barbarians or part of the strong resistance, depending on who you ask of course.
    I also know that there's a division between northern and southern France too, but I'm not French. All I know is the North prefers butter and the South olive oil.

  • @baller84milw
    @baller84milw 2 роки тому +6

    Idk, aside from the Croats, I think everyone else I've met from the area (Serbs, Bosnians, Albanians, Bulgarians, Macedonians, etc) admits that they're from the balkans.

    • @Ante_Knezevic
      @Ante_Knezevic 2 роки тому +3

      I'm Croat and Balkan. Some just say that because of turks invasion

    • @Seyma0816
      @Seyma0816 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Ante_Knezevic slavs also invaded balkans, that's why you are in croatia and not in ukraine 👎🏼

    • @Ante_Knezevic
      @Ante_Knezevic 11 місяців тому

      @@Seyma0816 Yes but when we come here nobody was here

    • @Seyma0816
      @Seyma0816 11 місяців тому

      @@Ante_Knezevic Wrong, it was already an habited land. You just changed the language of the locals and made them new slavicized croats.

    • @Ante_Knezevic
      @Ante_Knezevic 11 місяців тому

      @@Seyma0816 Really who was here before Croatians

  • @allendish
    @allendish 2 роки тому +5

    Wonderful. Can you link the source here or in the description?

  • @serboslav1389
    @serboslav1389 2 роки тому +17

    Slavoj, nice of you to mention our Serbian province of Kosovo and Metohija, Slovenians are always true friends.

    • @ekesandras1481
      @ekesandras1481 Рік тому

      Kosovo is as Serbian as England is American. Americans know that their culture originates from there, but do they beliefe England should be part of the USA? No.

    • @pistolpetetc
      @pistolpetetc 6 місяців тому

      ​@@ekesandras1481Wrong. The US and the UK are 2 seperate fully internationally recognised states and members of the UN.
      Kosovo, the Serbian province and heartland, according to United Nations SC resolution 1244, is Serbian sovereign territory, currently de facto under control by local Albanian sepatarists and occupied by nato (the US).

  • @MrGagason
    @MrGagason Рік тому

    Croatians are right. Balkan starts and ends with Serbia for a very simple reason that serbs do not have problem with being Balkan. Everybody else does and would rather run away from its Balkan identity

    • @pistolpetetc
      @pistolpetetc 6 місяців тому

      Because those others have an identity crisis and several complexes. 😂

  • @gahdhsh623
    @gahdhsh623 2 роки тому +2

    serbs dont fit in this, they will tell you that Serbia is Balkan and Balkan is Serbia 😁

    • @mimisvet8671
      @mimisvet8671 Рік тому +1

      We are the epicenter of Balkan we dont have to prove anything lol

  • @coaiemandushman1079
    @coaiemandushman1079 5 місяців тому

    We Romanians also say that Europe civilisation started from Romania and that we are not Balkans either.

  • @dimkk605
    @dimkk605 3 місяці тому

    Greeks are Balkans as much as British are European. For geographic reasons mainly. And MAYBE for historical/cultural reasons a little bit.
    Mostly for geographic reasons

    • @salmarcano4057
      @salmarcano4057 27 днів тому

      Besides geography Greeks have nothing to do with the balkans

  • @robertcocklin314
    @robertcocklin314 2 роки тому

    But where is Belka?

  • @blagoevski336
    @blagoevski336 2 роки тому

    Lmao

  • @PurasamaMan
    @PurasamaMan Рік тому +1

    AM I A BALKAN OR NOT? ZIZEK?!

  • @brandonprofela6519
    @brandonprofela6519 Рік тому

    What is this from

  • @hopewiIIrise
    @hopewiIIrise 2 роки тому +4

    is he wearing a fucking zodiac message t shirt?

    • @antie5459
      @antie5459 2 роки тому

      OMG, this makes the whole thing even better.

  • @norahflower2357
    @norahflower2357 2 роки тому

    LOL

  • @valentintapata2268
    @valentintapata2268 Рік тому +2

    Žižek is on point about the "they" and the "we" thing, but otherwise: historically Balkan was a term that one German geographer used for Ottoman European territories, named after a mountain in Bulgaria which is named Balkan (Turkish for a mountainous forested terrain) because he thought that mountain range was all over the region, which is wrong. Balkan penninsula is wrong as well - it doesn't fit with scientific determinaton of a pennisula (wrong ratio between water and land borders). Balkan is in fact a geopolitical term, that is mostly obsolete, it doesn't reflect cultural, historical and geographical realities in their fullest, but only (past) political ones. To make everything short - Balkan is a very vague term that most of people wrongly use as a fixed defenition.
    Edit: Žižek in video is using the river Ljubljanica as the border for Balkan, when in fact Slovenia was never under the Ottoman rule and before the end of WW1 was never thought of as a Balkan region. Even Serbian geograpers in times of Jugoslavia were using river Sava (and Danube) as the border of Balkan - their goal was to enlarge the borders of Balkan for unitarian purposes (there are many defenitons of Balkan borders).

  • @surat0
    @surat0 Рік тому +1

    где бакланы, кароч

  • @Jeff-lf4hy
    @Jeff-lf4hy 3 місяці тому

    Post modern karl marx

  • @kondoric
    @kondoric 6 місяців тому +1

    Zanmljiva mi je karta Jugovine od Žižeka, nema autoceste, nema granica republika, Bjelovar je neka selendra kojom se dolazi samo iz Križevaca i nema dalje. Tema Balkan je već stara otrcana, Žižek ju samo obradio. Cijeli svijet je Balkan-balkon.

  • @vasekdrtic2760
    @vasekdrtic2760 2 роки тому +2

    Wait so its all Balkan?

  • @sidimightbe3246
    @sidimightbe3246 2 роки тому +2

    Serbs wouldn’t say serajevo, Bosniaks are lighter than us, this is western propaganda to make it seem like Bosniaks are more minority than us and thus deserve sympathy

    • @slXD100
      @slXD100 2 роки тому

      what do you mean by lighter? skin-color?

    • @sidimightbe3246
      @sidimightbe3246 2 роки тому

      @@slXD100 …yes?

    • @Ante_Knezevic
      @Ante_Knezevic 2 роки тому

      Seres cedo

    • @csypoygshovssutcgj9501
      @csypoygshovssutcgj9501 4 місяці тому +1

      Read about the Dinaric race
      The Dinaric race is largely present among the Serbs, so they appear to have olive skin
      Many also have Balto-Slav ethnicity
      The Russians even have a denarius race

  • @inimene3796
    @inimene3796 2 роки тому

    tfw you are baltic but everyone assumes you are "balkan"

  • @yumbam5546
    @yumbam5546 2 роки тому

    Those poor mountains.

  • @Billswiftgti
    @Billswiftgti 8 місяців тому

    Literally no ones says these

  • @MrStalkerhunter
    @MrStalkerhunter Рік тому

    Balkan has become a bad word

  • @Judah132
    @Judah132 2 роки тому

    EU = Yugoslavia? Oh gosh, what will happen if EU breaks up ...

    • @mimisvet8671
      @mimisvet8671 Рік тому

      He he heee 😈

    • @kostaborojevic498
      @kostaborojevic498 Рік тому

      Omg hahaha good comment hahahaha milošević will rise from his grave to join the feast.

  • @vietnamarmapedia8624
    @vietnamarmapedia8624 2 роки тому +1

    In Romania we call ourselves balkans

    • @thegarfield2414
      @thegarfield2414 6 місяців тому

      If you are from the south of Romania. Which yes, it is primitive compared with Transylvania and Banat.

  • @phantomsoldier497
    @phantomsoldier497 2 роки тому +7

    From most Europeans the Balkans are all the former Yugoslavian republics. Even if technically Greece, Albania, Bulgaria and Romania should be included because they are part of the geographical balkan peninsula, most of us don't consider it as such

    • @HansPeter_
      @HansPeter_ 2 роки тому +13

      Who doesnt include Albania as part of the Balkans?

    • @christopherstein2024
      @christopherstein2024 2 роки тому +1

      @@bulgariainsight429 I thought that it was the peninsula going from the top of the adrian sea to the black see.
      Looking it up that seems be the definition with the addition that it is only the mountain region. There are also the Balkan mountains wich are much smaller and the word itself seems to come from Asia at some point and was used to simply refer to mountains.

    • @mimisvet8671
      @mimisvet8671 Рік тому

      True

    • @mimisvet8671
      @mimisvet8671 Рік тому

      @@HansPeter_ the Balkanians dont consider Albanians keen lol its true

  • @zarathustra498
    @zarathustra498 2 роки тому

    This is so true, ask anyone in Vojvodina and they will tell you they are not Balkans...except in you are unfortunate enough to run into a dodjos

    • @mimisvet8671
      @mimisvet8671 Рік тому +1

      I am from Vojvodina and we are definitively agreeing up here we are Balkan with fancy touch

  • @kosiotzonev
    @kosiotzonev 2 роки тому +2

    Can't be more further from the truth. Balkan is the mountain which separates Northern and Southern Bulgarian. That's all. Therefore - You should simply ask a Bulgarian.

  • @thatoneshadyperson9648
    @thatoneshadyperson9648 Рік тому

    The map he's using is outdated...
    Just saying

  • @sidimightbe3246
    @sidimightbe3246 2 роки тому +6

    Serbia is the heart of the Balkans

  • @spacecadetred2388
    @spacecadetred2388 2 роки тому +8

    i dont even know if this guy actually knows what he is talking about or if he just is talking

    • @andredemony
      @andredemony 2 роки тому +21

      "This guy" is one of the mot relevant cultural theorists of the last 50 years who happens to be from "there", the Balkans. At least he was, since his country of birth is Yugoslavija. His point is that the concept of "Balkans" or "Balkanic" is a cultural concept that has to do with notions of identity and otherness rather than precise geo-political terminlogy.

    • @zearcher4633
      @zearcher4633 2 роки тому +5

      @@andredemony hes atheist, so not relevant

    • @skywillfindyou
      @skywillfindyou 2 роки тому +1

      @@zearcher4633 what a stupid thing to say

    • @andredemony
      @andredemony 2 роки тому +2

      @@zearcher4633 i don't think you understood the concept of Atheism? Or that atheist scholars are often better equipped to understand and explain religious phemonenae.

    • @zearcher4633
      @zearcher4633 2 роки тому +4

      @@andredemony do you understand that the biggest faces in science and philosophy were Christian, Žižek just uses archaic language to portray the thoughts of a 17 year old guy after he watches dead poets society for the first time

  • @SuperTommox
    @SuperTommox 2 роки тому

    To us italians everything east of Triste is Balkan.