Now that you know the truth about animals and suicide check out this video and find out What Really Happens to a Person When They are Tarred and Feathered: ua-cam.com/video/1ncL0miC_NQ/v-deo.html
Simon. In order to commit "suicide" ie the intentional ending of your own personal life-there must needs be a sense of consciousness that exceeds animal nature. Unless you believe at a base level in the "soul" and original sin-there can be no suicide. Only an end to consciousness.
I don't think you disclosed the "truth", just itemized the data and factors in the debate. It seems the answer lies in a person's bias, either they believe animals have intelligence or they don't. Actually, it pertains to humans too. If they think animals only follow instinct, then there is no suicide. if they understand the consequences and make decisions, ie, not instinct or predeterminism, then yes, it is suicide. I would say that since there is so much similarity in genetic makeup of humans, yet there are vastly differing views, that much of behaviour is learned and not purely instinctual. Therefore suicide is a real thing. Also for animals. Of course discount accidental suicide like the dogs on the bridge, but the refusal to eat? Come on, that is fighting so hard against instinct what else could it be? Do animals know they will live if they eat? Do they know they will make babies if they make babies? Do they know they will die if a predator catches them? You could boil all this down to "do animals think" or "are they self aware"?
Please add a 24/7 helpline/website to your video and in the description. People drawn to watch videos on the topic that are on the edge of suicide or harboring suicidal thoughts need the out reach. I know this is not a report but you should follow the media recommendations for when they report on suicide. reportingonsuicide.org/recommendations/#dodonts - Jessica RN
Penguins in Antarctica sometimes leave their group and wander into the mountains to die alone. Apparently people have tried to return the penguin to its group, but it just leaves again anyway.
sometimes an octopus in captivity will refuse to eat until it dies, they're one of the few creatures smart enough that I do wonder if they don't fully understand the consequences... and thus have it qualify as suicide.
I knew someone who, after taking an antidepressant for six-months, started having persuasive "I should kill myself" thoughts. He felt ecstatic for those six months but then came the thoughts and nightmares which stopped after he stopped taking the pills. So my point is, if there's a brain circuit for self-destruction in other animals, then a tumor or some mutation could cause their suicides.
While not suicide, Dogs will often refuse to go inside or run away before they die. I assume it's a habitual instinct to not die in a den, where a rotting corpse could make a den or the surrounding area unusable for the rest of the pack.
Another one is tarsiers. They have a very thin skull and will bash their heads to death when threatened. If this isn't also a myth, it does seem intentional.
If there's nothing they can bash their heads against, they drown themselves. If the have no water to drown themselves. Welp, then they smash their heads against things.
Why did the chicken cross the road? Maybe he was sad or lonely, or knew what his fate was, and so he decided to take control and end it himself, and crossed the road to get to "the other side".
I had a rat in one of my psychological studies that repeatedly ran its skull into the side of the cage until it killed itself. That said, when we took a look at its brain, we found that only one hemisphere of its brain was developed, so it was definitely an outlier.
Randall Slaughter i had a neighbor dog do the did the something when his friend died that was a dog. He would laid in the middle of the road. I save him from getting hit a few times some plp would see him and get out the way. I get up bc I realize he just wanted to die which he did for a car hit him one day when he was laying in the road. He was to much depress dog i show in my life. When his friend died his personality completely changed.
UM ... And the dolphin that killed itself after a romantic relationship with it's trainer was ended and its trainer imprisoned? This story hops around a lot, making the rounds
Josef There was a real dolphin that seduced a human woman and then died, seemingly from "a broken heart" after they were separated. There have been other accounts of dolphins dying by asphyxiation for no apparent reason besides emotional distress. I think there's enough evidence of dolphin intelligence to presume these are suicides, but we can't know for sure.
Yep, was going to mention this specifically. The Dolphin was part of a series of experiments done by John C Lilly, who later got pretty heavy into psychoactive drugs. Lilly wrote a book on his experiments called The Mind of the Dolphin. The story of the dolphin who 'died of a broken hear' was used as inspiration for the game Ecco the Dolphin.More info on the game and the story behind Lilly's experiments here: ua-cam.com/video/0xUvhUK8Dv8/v-deo.html
One of the original Flipper dolphins, named Kathy, may also have committed suicide (at least according to Ric O'barry)... It lead to Ric becoming an activist after Kathy killed herself in front of him.
Yeah, I'm thinking this video is a little... Basic in its approach and not well researched, Dolphins and Whales are seen to have remarkable intelligence compared to most other animals out there. There's multiple instances of dolphins and whales seemingly killing themselves and especially with dolphins, this is often done by simply stopping their own breathing. Which is a conscious act as they have to consciously breathe unlike us, who CAN consciously breathe, but also can do it unconsciously.
Chris Dobbelaere the animal doesn't necessarily need to be able to talk for us to prove anything about them. After all there are countless examples of things we are completely certain about already without having to ask animals, for example bloodhounds have the strongest nose of any dog (I'm referring yo dogs you can keep as a friend don't bring up wolfs.), the blob fish's weird shape isn't weird because at the deep parts of the sea where it lives it actually compresses their body into a terrifying shape, dung beetles use the stars to navigate etc.
Frans Snyman yeah those are examples of basic stuff, like the stuff you just said makes no sense in the argument. Those are things that you can study and do research about but self awareness isn't just how good you can sense smells and how you look at stars.
Chris Dobbelaere There is actually a self-awareness test and elephants passed it. So did chimps. It's where you place a mirror in front of the animal. The animal has a dot painted on it and if it uses the mirror to touch or find the dot on its body, it's self aware.
Z0LSTICE I know there is a self awareness test, I missed my own point by mentioning it what I was trying to say is that elephants and dogs are different animals so you can't just say that if elephants have something dogs have the same but I noticed I am not the only one who knows to much useless stuff
When I was very young (maybe 4 or 5) I found a bird on the ground. It was also young but had all of its feathers. Looking up I could see a nest and assumed it fell or was learning to fly. I picked the bird up and upon standing up it attempted to fly. It left my hand and (while flapping its wings) made it about 10 feet horizontally but descended the whole time during its unsuccessful flight. I decided to help it learn and gave it a vertical, gentle toss. I repeated this about 4 times, and each time the little bird failed to fly. On the last landing the little bird tucked its head underneath its wing and hopped several times. Each time it (what seemed purposely) landed sideways on the wing it had tucked his head until it broke its own neck. I am not sure why it did this, but I remember crying over the little bird. I never again touched a young bird on the ground.
dolphins ... they have been well documented to kill themselves by refusing to breath one such dolphin was a dolphin that was part of a science experiment in seeing if dolphins could be taught to speak english. once the experiment was abandoned the dolphin became so depressed by being separated from the human it grew up with it killed it's self EVEN FLIPPER KILLED ITSELF
My parents told me when I was little that my dog committed suicide. She kind of did, but didn't mean to I'm sure now. She tried to jump over the fence in our backyard, but the chain got caught on the fence and she hung herself on the fence.
The Flea I wish your mother hadn't said that, and I'm sorry for your dog. Suicide is dying by choice, what happened to your dog was merely an accident. Rest in peace buddy.
You forgot squirrels. These nasty little beasts are cruel to each other. The males will fight and the winner will neuter the loser. These fights happen around the same time as there is an increase in squirrels standing up in the middle of traffic. Food for thought.
I read a short book once about a guy with a broken leg watching the summer wildlife outside his window while he healed. He told the story of a squirrel that lost an eye and therefore didn't have any depth perception. This severely limited the squirrel's daily activities and it became more and more timid, depressed even. He watched it climb to the top of a tall tree one day and launch itself into thin air. It died on impact. Now, you could say the squirrel just misjudged his leap and didn't mean to commit suicide, but the author didn't think that was so. He'd watched those animals all summer and was convinced the squirrel wanted to die.
Actually, it isn't really known if women attempt suicide more often, as the studies that show this use suicide prevention networks, in which besides the fact men use psychological services less often, also those services then to focus on women. Basically it's a case of not finding by not looking at it. Though it can be possible. Other theories is that this discrepancies come from the fact that most "attempts" aren't attempts at all but cries for help, and since cries for help only work if someone is listening to it then it would make sense that women dis-proportionally would use "attempts" as a cry for help and men more frequently use the attempt with the intent of ending one's life and therefore succeed more often. I tend to doubt the second, as most of those non-fatal suicide attempts come from pharmaceutical overdose of legal medication, and for those attempts not to be serious it would mean that a good chunk of the population knows that the DL50 in most drugs isn't about single use, but chronic use, which I highly doubt.
Great presentation Simon! Always a fan; you help me out, especially when I'm commuting or wake up from a sleep paralysis episode and need to calm down! Thanks brother-man. Be easy.
Was it kept in crittertrail or a 10 gallon tank? A lot of cages sold for hamsters are actually to small for them and doesn't provide enough space to roam or mentally stimulate them.so they go insane from trying to escape and bordem.
star and fox It was a really, really large former aquarium. Two other hamsters, also Teddy Bears, had lived full, if boring, solitary lives there. Also, this was the 70s, so, memory fades. Except for the horror.
I remember being a kid and seeing a video in school where a queen bee was removed from her hive. The bees immediately began using royal jelly to produce a new queen. Upon hatching and assuming the place of the new hive queen, the old queen was returned to the hive and the 2 queens engaged in a fight to the death. The younger proved to be stronger and during the fight, the older queen stung herself to death which was confirmed by the narrator of the film.
It depends on your definitions. "Tame" implies intentional domestication, and since the word "intentional" is hard to apply to any animal that refuses to answer interview questions, it's entirely reasonable to say that ants don't actually have _tame_ aphids, just aphids they evolved to live with symbiotically.
As some people mentioned, there are ants that farm aphids. They will herd them into certain areas they want them to be, will clip the wings of the reproductive aphids so they don't fly off to other plants, and they protect the aphids from predators. And there are the ants that enslave other ants.
Many parasites technically force other living being into living a certain way so that they can reproduce or spread. I know some insects kidnap other species and keep them alive while their offspring grow inside them and end up eating them. My explanation sucks but tl;dr: Nature is dark and scary. What we do to cows is clean AF compared to what some insects go through
Can an animal, like an insect, that is driven purely by instinct really be said to do anything willingly? Insects don't really choose to do this or that, at least not in the way we choose. Insects just don't have the ability to consider the consequences of their choice. (added later) So many people are commenting on my comment, telling me how smart bugs are. I want to draw everyone's attention to a specific part of my comment. "AT LEAST IN THE WAY WE (humans) CHOOSE!" This means that they may indeed "choose" but they do NOT carefully consider the reproductions of one choice against another in the way humans do. Insects are so far removed from human experience I don't think we can ever understand the world in the way insects experience it. Sure insects can respond to changes in the environment and even tell time. But this doesn't mean they are trainable in the same way a dog is.
Eric Taylor hive minds kinda violate how we understand thought...the hive mind knows what will happen but the individual doesn't...even though the individual is the hive mind
+Patrick Grochowy what makes you think that they aren't? There's no way to know for sure, although we can make guesses based on study. Anyway, It's pretty likely that some animals are more conscious than others, and if this is the case, insects are probably on the low end of the spectrum,
Observation and experience in living together with animals. As you say, there is no way to tell for sure. But it seems very likely, that (self-)consciousness is gradual property. I wouldn't say, that insects are on the "low" end, they are but very far away from our known behaviour patterns (it's more easy to find similarities in mammal-behaviours for us, because we are mammals ourselves). But it's arrogant to deny insects consciousness, just because their behaviour is so alien to us.
You mentioned bees, but not their most ordinary way of ending their life - stinging an animal that is 4 times as big as itself or bigger. When they sting, their barbed stingers lodge in the stung animal, and the bee is killed when pulling loose. This opens the question: Does it know that the action of stinging will end its life? Either way, it's the same as with the ants. Even if the bee knows that it will die if it stings, the individual bee will sacrifice itself for the good of the hive.
Yeah, just reflecting on how people associate races with colors, but really though, black people aren't black, they are brown, and white people aren't white, even though some can get pretty close to it
They were toys to begin with, unless you see it as a 'tool' to snatch up as much green as possible from naive consumers. A board game solely for spooky party entertainment, exploiting the obsession with spiritualism in America at the time of it's conception. Back then, seances were the to-do thing; So naturally, a board game playing on this was an epic-level success.
A big problem in your video is do people really understand the consequences of Suicide. You mentioned how a dog may stop eating when depressed. People do it to. Some people die. If you told someone who was Super depressed that they need to eat or they will die will they care? Suicide can be linked to depression. Depression can be seen in other animals like dogs, or even dolphins. I doubt that the ability to understand the consequences is what makes something suicide. Because many people who commit Suicide Just don't care. When someone depressed jumped off the golden gate bridge about half way down he thought maybe this was a bad idea, and survived. So in the moment before he jumped, he didn't think about the Consequences. Don't you think that a few of the jumping dogs thought to themselves Rut Rooo about half way down? You even compared the bees to a solder jumping on a grenade. But even in that moment the solder dosen't think about the consequences of his actions. He willingly sacrifices himself just like the bees. So maybe the act of Suicide is based in nature and not something special to just the people.
Ignorance can be bliss sometimes. Animals such as dogs have no real understanding of their own mortality. They have zero clue that they themselves will one day cease to exist. My dog probably thinks he will just be happy and live with me forever.
That's not true. All animals understand the eternal nature of their being. They actually accept the transition that humans call the death experience quite easily. They don't fight it like we do. They allow it.
dolphins ... they have been well documented to kill themselves by refusing to breath one such dolphin was a dolphin that was part of a science experiment in seeing if dolphins could be taught to speak english. once the experiment was abandoned the dolphin became so depressed by being separated from the human it grew up with it killed it's self EVEN FLIPPER KILLED ITSELF
Do you know, lovebirds do suicide when no partner around in a terrible way They will not eat their food even they were forced Thats why my bird die, he didnt brink his water and gone heat stroke
I wrote this before I saw your comment but yeah dolphis and parrots are well documented suicides dolphins ... they have been well documented to kill themselves by refusing to breath one such dolphin was a dolphin that was part of a science experiment in seeing if dolphins could be taught to speak english. once the experiment was abandoned the dolphin became so depressed by being separated from the human it grew up with it killed it's self EVEN FLIPPER KILLED ITSELF
Curtis Jones "In their mind" being the key word. People who commit suicide often think people will be "better off without them". Most people convince themselves their actions are virtues, that doesn't make those actions "sacrificial". Live grenades and disease are physical, immidiate threats, civilians in a public area minding their own business are not.
Almost all suicide is thought by the person "for the greater good" suicide is defined as killing yourself on purpose while understanding what killing yourself means....not killing yourself for selfish or non beneficial reasons
LOL, I wasn't trying to morally justify it. If someone believes that it is a greater purpose than I believe that is the same. From the mind of the person doing the deed, it may preserve life for their family or kill an otherwise unbeatable enemy.
What about dolphins? The dolphin trainer from the tv show Flipper claimed one of the flipper actor dolphins committed suicide in his arms by intentionally stopping breathing & this was why he switched from trainer to activist. I was expecting this video was going to talk about that :( I want to know if it's true!
Lilac Lizard I saw an interview with him about it, but we kind of have to take his word for it. However Peter the dolphin is also alleged to purposefully stop breathing after being separated from the human woman he'd had a sexual relationship with. This second story lends credibility to the first account in my opinion.
noun 1. the intentional taking of one's own life. 2. destruction of one's own interests or prospects: Buying that house was financial suicide. 3. a person who intentionally takes his or her own life. verb (used without object), suicided, suiciding. 4. to commit suicide. verb (used with object), suicided, suiciding. 5. to kill (oneself).
Voo_Hu I don't see the psychology of jumping on a grenade scenario in any of those definitions. If I jump on a grenade I'm not thinking "okay I'll kill myself". I'm thinking "oh shit, I need to block this thing from these other guys". I'd never have the chance to think about dying.
The bridge dog thing doesn't actually make mink sense in that so much as sounds like an excuse. The bridge for one, is known for being haunted and no matter what kind of dog, they always kill themselves, even after being rescued or restrained. The minx thing is just sorta stupid. Like saying, oh..uh there was candy there or bacon or a squirrel - to which there are such things everywhere anyway and u don't see dogs offing themselves in most other places. Altruistic or not, it's still suicide by definition. Also most humans who kill themselves are also selfless - or their pov, in the sense they don't care about themselves and feel their death would improve the lives of others somehow/or they'd be happier w.o them. (Depression sucks :-( )
This is one of the best and most well done channels on youtube! You guys really go the extra mile for the facts. Not sensationalism for clicks. Great stuff!
When i was a kid i had 2 birds, a male and a female. The female died and the male stopped eating, drinking or do anything. What's interesting about it is that he also lost all sense of preservation. When we used to open cage to change something he would always try to fly away or would stay away from our hands. But this time i remember opening his cage and him just staying there. As a desperate kid i even tried to hand feed him but with no success. He died shortly after. I don't know if he knew he would die the only thing i know is that he didn't care if he did. Btw i might sound cold when i talk about but i truly loved those birds and was devastated when they died. And they taught me that animals are way more complex than most people think.
There was that story about a bile bear that killed her cub and then herself by ramming into a wall repeatedly. She could have just been psychologically traumatized from the way bile bears are treated but it may have been intentional to get both and her cub out of a horrifying place, better dead than tortured your whole life only to be killed and sold for parts when you can't produce bile anymore.
Before watching the video: Dolphins are known for commiting suicide. For them breathing is a voluntary act, there's no involuntary system that can take over and force them to breath, several captive dolphins have commited suicide in the arms of their trainers, including 2-3 of the ones who played Flipper, on the TV series by the same name(I forget if it's 2 or 3).
Who is ago when I was quite young, my family was traumatized by the loss of the father. The father had a cat that adored him. About a week after his death, it dawned on the family that the cat was also affected. It had not eaten since it’s owner died suddenly. Because of their own personal trauma, no one really noticed the suffering of the cat. The cat was rushed to the vet. Given shots of vitamins and nutrition, and water under the skin. She was also dehydrated. It was not long and the cat stopped moving entirely... and died. Please note, this is a story of a cat, not a dog. I’ve heard of dogs also willing themselves to an early death after the loss of a love one. But I’ve not known anyone who’s had a dog that has died of a broken heart. I don’t know if you call the suicide, but I do.
When I was a baby, my family had two chihuahuas - a mother and daughter. The daughter was... slow, and drowned in a shallow pond we had on our property. About a week later my dad was backing the car out of the driveway when the mother dog, who had been laying dejectedly on the verandah, suddenly ran like a bat out of hell toward the car aimed right for the wheels. My dad was horrified. Prior to this she had avoided cars like the plague. I'm not saying it was a suicide, but it sure was unusual.
Had a friend who had a brother. His brother had a dog. His brother left to another country and left the dog at his family home. Nobody cared about the dog except for feeding him. The dog tried to jump a bunch of times from the third floor. There was no wall so he could actually see the edge. He also tried a bunch of time to escape and go stand on the middle of a four lane road. It was bad. I once asked my friend what was going on, he told me they had taken the dog to a vet and that the dog was basically depressed and suicidal. Not sure anyone else has a similar story? But I believe animals can be so depressed they let themselves die or even provoke it.
I had a cat who was very scared of the 2 male kittens we got from an animal shelter. She never went anywhere near them and if they approached she would hiss and go hide somewhere. Some months later her attitude changed completely. The 2 brothers usually stayed in the lounge room and she came in and laid down right in the middle of the room. She didn’t seem herself. We took her to the vet who found her body riddled with cancer. I wonder if she was so ill that she hoped the 2 male cats would kill her? It always makes me sad thinking about it.
We tried to rescue a young wild rabbit that lost its mother. Though not necessarily suicidal, it gave up living after a day. It wouldn't eat, move, or even respond to our attempts to interact with it. It was depressing.
Can you find out why cars (in America) now have "bucket" seats or "captain" seats -individual seats -instead of the former bench seats that characterized the Early 1970's cars and before?
After my father died his/my dog went to a neighbor's fence hole where a dog that he knew would attack him grab him by the neck and pull him through the small hole. The neighbor told us in the middle of the day that his dog was swinging our dog around by the neck. He was broken and a awful way to go. He really loved my dad and two weeks after his death he decided to suicide.
Kathy, one of the bottle nosed dolphins that played Fliipper in the 1960's TV show, became depressed with her living conditions, and refused to surface and drown.
My Dog a Jack Russell Terrier Commited Suicide right in front of me. I adopted her and was abusive. We were out for a walk. Under a bridge and train passed overhead. My Dog noticed another dog and chased into moving train... The first dog died and my dog was near my side quiet and still. I hit my stick on her back extremely hard and my dog walked away from me up to train. Got Danger close looked backed and said; "No more abuse...." And jumped into train and died on the scene.
When I had to travel for work, my pet sitter would complain about my cats' refusal to eat for the first few days I was away. As stated, sadness suppresses true hunger.
Well thats a fun story. I imagine this is how you bring it up in conversation, "Hey, did I ever tell you about the time where Disney threw a bunch of animals off a cliff for a documentary?"
Imagine being like "a man throwing himself on a grenade is the same as a ant sacrificing itself for the colony." Bro different species different goals, there's a reason why it's expected of ants but when a human does it he gets a medal, show some respect to the people who can dedicate that amount of self-sacrifice because unlike ants humans aren't likely to do it.
I heard from a student collauge from El Salvador that they as child had a strange plesure of finding scorpions, then they made a ring of petrol around the scorpion and set the petrol ablaze, first the scorpion tried desperatly to find a way out of the ring, when it noticed it was impossible, the Scorpion stung it self. AKA it commited suicied.
A friends dog a few months ago was tied up on his deck, the leash was attached to the collar around his neck, and he jumped off the deck and hung himself. I just hope that he fell hard enough to snap his neck, dying quickly instead of slowly and painfully suffocating to death... which made me curious about whether he knew what he was doing or if he had no idea he would die.
No joke, I do knew of a dog using water for suicide that I witnessed myself. My friends dog was riddled with cancer and she refused to put the poor dog down. The dog went into her neighbor's Pond. It was a very shallow Pond. The dog walked out into it and laid down. I went out to get the dog but she tried to bite me. My friend's father eventually was able to get her out of the pond. As soon as he did the dog went right back in and laid down again. At that point her father got her out of the pond again and brought her to the vet and had her put down. It was sad.
I had a “water dragon” lizard commit suicide. My best friend’s lizard did the same thing. Mine tried to commit suicide first by leaping into my pool, and then refusing to swim... then later on, I put a water bowl in his inclosure with warm water (because he liked to bathe in warm water), and when I came back and he had decided to drown himself in water only deep enough to barely submerge his body halfway. However, at that point in his life he was suffering from a mouth ailment and had tried to stop eating. I got him eating again, only for that to happen.
My grandfather left gave away his dog who has been with him for 7+ years. His new owner tied him in the neck so it won't go away, my grandfather left and the dog ran in the direction my grandfather went while he's tied. The dog ends up choking himself and died.
When my grandfather died, his dog ran out of the house directly into traffic. Even thought it is against the law, the funeral home put the dog in the casket with pa. They were together 110% of the time when they were living. They are still together today.
I once saw a bee walking in circles on the floor and it wouldn't fly. I put him on a wall so that nobody would step on him. He stopped spinning, but turned around and jumped off the wall, I put him back up but he jumped again, this happened over and over again. I think it was some sort of parasite, I know there is some sort of parasite that goes into bees head but I can't remember what it's called.
Cats and dogs don't exactly commit suicide but when they think they're dying (usually of old age), they'll leave the house and allow themselves to die somewhere. If they can't leave the home, they'll hide. Seagulls also fly away from their nests and let themselves drown in the sea when they get old.
Thank you for talking about Overton bridge! I heard about this many years ago and had forgotten about the (supposed) phenomenon. P.s. always good to hear a British accent!
My boy’s hamster gnawed a hole through a 2nd story mesh screen and jumped. Didn’t die. Brought him back inside, did the same thing the next day and died on impact
Very surprised at Simon and daven as well as the other researchers for not mentioning the incident involving one of the dolphins who played flipper. There was an incident involving the trainer involved with handling the (I believe 3) dolphins known for playing flipper. One dolphin presented an extremely depressed demeanor before taking a final breath at falling to the bottom of the tank never to resurface. This point(connecting to suicide) is made more intense being that dolphins have to consciously take each breath and are aware that failure to do so is catastrophic.
I'm not sure that many of the people that have committed suicide understood the implication that the act will end their existence. there are many people that believe in life after death
When I was young my neighbors dog was chained outside and mostly forgotten classic case of neglect in all weather and when he got a bit older and temps began to drop I believe he felt he couldn't survive another winter he strangled himself at the end of his chain instead of freezing to death as he lost weight in his older age
"For an act to be classified as a suicide, the agent must know that what it is doing will end its life." So, what if you're a character in the movie SAW, and you have to make a Sophie's choice-esque decision but it's with your own life? Does not say, pulling your eye out to live mean that you're committing suicide? Or is that an exception due to duress? Or, what about this situation - what if you're driving and trying to beat a train. You could live and barely make it, or get smashed by the train. Is that committing suicide if the agent knows that there's a _chance_ of dying? And, what about this scenario - new recruits facing the fiercest campaign of the Vietnam War know that statistically, they stand a better chance of dying over living, yet they must fight. For sake of argument, let's say it's 80% vs 20%, dying vs. living, respectively. If those soldiers know that the chances are against them and they fight, then is that suicide? Or, is this an exception given that the soldiers have no practical choice except to get court martial?
Once, when my cat brought a mouse she thought was dead to my back porch, the mouse got up after she put it down and jumped off of the porch and died. I know it was probably just trying to get away from the cat and misjudged the jump, but I felt it was relevant.
My dog stopped going to the bathroom and eating for about 4 days while my family and I were on vacation, and almost died. I could believe that dogs get depressed when their owners die
Now that you know the truth about animals and suicide check out this video and find out What Really Happens to a Person When They are Tarred and Feathered:
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Simon. In order to commit "suicide" ie the intentional ending of your own personal life-there must needs be a sense of consciousness that exceeds animal nature. Unless you believe at a base level in the "soul" and original sin-there can be no suicide. Only an end to consciousness.
Degus (Chilean squirrels) will starve themselves or jump from heights if they are the last ones of their family left.
I don't think you disclosed the "truth", just itemized the data and factors in the debate. It seems the answer lies in a person's bias, either they believe animals have intelligence or they don't. Actually, it pertains to humans too.
If they think animals only follow instinct, then there is no suicide. if they understand the consequences and make decisions, ie, not instinct or predeterminism, then yes, it is suicide.
I would say that since there is so much similarity in genetic makeup of humans, yet there are vastly differing views, that much of behaviour is learned and not purely instinctual. Therefore suicide is a real thing.
Also for animals. Of course discount accidental suicide like the dogs on the bridge, but the refusal to eat? Come on, that is fighting so hard against instinct what else could it be?
Do animals know they will live if they eat? Do they know they will make babies if they make babies? Do they know they will die if a predator catches them?
You could boil all this down to "do animals think" or "are they self aware"?
Please add a 24/7 helpline/website to your video and in the description. People drawn to watch videos on the topic that are on the edge of suicide or harboring suicidal thoughts need the out reach. I know this is not a report but you should follow the media recommendations for when they report on suicide. reportingonsuicide.org/recommendations/#dodonts
- Jessica RN
You didn’t link the Disney video
Penguins in Antarctica sometimes leave their group and wander into the mountains to die alone. Apparently people have tried to return the penguin to its group, but it just leaves again anyway.
sometimes an octopus in captivity will refuse to eat until it dies, they're one of the few creatures smart enough that I do wonder if they don't fully understand the consequences... and thus have it qualify as suicide.
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Ah, the deranged penguin
I knew someone who, after taking an antidepressant for six-months, started having persuasive "I should kill myself" thoughts. He felt ecstatic for those six months but then came the thoughts and nightmares which stopped after he stopped taking the pills. So my point is, if there's a brain circuit for self-destruction in other animals, then a tumor or some mutation could cause their suicides.
Maybe he's walking away from Omelas.
I once owned a chicken in minecraft that threw itself into the fireplace.
I had the same experience to i had a peace of cookie and i ate it. i ate it!!!!!! Im a monster and so is my skin
I think the chicken was not committing suicide, it was probably doing sacrifice to keep you fed.
Evan Brunner puahahaha 😂😂
Bahahaa that's a wtf moment
Evan Brunner Thats all the proof I needed.....thanks guy!!!
While not suicide, Dogs will often refuse to go inside or run away before they die. I assume it's a habitual instinct to not die in a den, where a rotting corpse could make a den or the surrounding area unusable for the rest of the pack.
My dog was old and had several mental disorders so she decided not to eat to die and no longer be in pain
Yeah my dog stayed out in the rain when he was dying.
@The main cause of warps in all of reality People DO sacrifice themselves sometimes. You confusing suicide and sacrifice again.
@@dingdong6757 hunger is pain... probably he was too old or sick than not eating was a lesser pain.
@@dingdong6757 or maybe like when people w dementia dont feel like eating.
Saw the title and thought "ah yes, a bed time story from Mr. Whistler."
I just decided that this would be be last video before bed.
It has to be.
Same!
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Another one is tarsiers. They have a very thin skull and will bash their heads to death when threatened. If this isn't also a myth, it does seem intentional.
Antbal0415 I asked a tarsier this and he just stared at me. So I guess we'll never know for sure.
Weird Explorer lol
Weird Explorer and did it do this due to some disease or parasitic infection that drove it to do that?
If there's nothing they can bash their heads against, they drown themselves. If the have no water to drown themselves. Welp, then they smash their heads against things.
Antbal0415 do you have one? Assuming you live in Cebuz
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Maybe he was sad or lonely, or knew what his fate was, and so he decided to take control and end it himself, and crossed the road to get to "the other side".
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Brendan O'Toole dafuq?
That's where the original quote is from, vsauce.
I was pretending it was a jeopardy question.
...tough crowd.
I couldn't help but notice that you didn't address the whale in the room...
I sea where this is going
I don't know, it seems pretty fishy
water you doing? Thats not a pun
He Pacifically didn't mention them
Because we still don't know why stranding happen. A topic we have yet to breach.
I'm not even gonna watch this one. Don't want my dog getting any ideas.
Three Percenter Try listening with headphones
Yo man its giving me ideas.
Is your dog suicidal?
Fluffy, put the gun down.
Lol
I had a rat in one of my psychological studies that repeatedly ran its skull into the side of the cage until it killed itself. That said, when we took a look at its brain, we found that only one hemisphere of its brain was developed, so it was definitely an outlier.
horrifying story, bro
My grandma's dog wandered into traffic after she was murdered. Before that he never went near the road.
holy shit sorry for your lost
Randall Slaughter Sorry for your loss. It could also be rabies. When having rabies, dogs tend to forget their surroundings.
Randall Slaughter i had a neighbor dog do the did the something when his friend died that was a dog. He would laid in the middle of the road. I save him from getting hit a few times some plp would see him and get out the way. I get up bc I realize he just wanted to die which he did for a car hit him one day when he was laying in the road. He was to much depress dog i show in my life. When his friend died his personality completely changed.
Katrine Petersen so the grandmother died, and then the dog magically got rabies?
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UM ... And the dolphin that killed itself after a romantic relationship with it's trainer was ended and its trainer imprisoned?
This story hops around a lot, making the rounds
Was about to ask this, definitely want to know if this is a myth or not
Josef
There was a real dolphin that seduced a human woman and then died, seemingly from "a broken heart" after they were separated. There have been other accounts of dolphins dying by asphyxiation for no apparent reason besides emotional distress. I think there's enough evidence of dolphin intelligence to presume these are suicides, but we can't know for sure.
Yep, was going to mention this specifically. The Dolphin was part of a series of experiments done by John C Lilly, who later got pretty heavy into psychoactive drugs. Lilly wrote a book on his experiments called The Mind of the Dolphin. The story of the dolphin who 'died of a broken hear' was used as inspiration for the game Ecco the Dolphin.More info on the game and the story behind Lilly's experiments here: ua-cam.com/video/0xUvhUK8Dv8/v-deo.html
One of the original Flipper dolphins, named Kathy, may also have committed suicide (at least according to Ric O'barry)... It lead to Ric becoming an activist after Kathy killed herself in front of him.
How does a dolphin attract a woman "sexually"? Describe in detail.
i swear he was going to say "Vsauce here"
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Hey Vsauce, Simon Here.
What about whales and dolphins mass beaching? There also was a dolphin that drowned itself when its trainer was arrested
Yeah, I'm thinking this video is a little... Basic in its approach and not well researched, Dolphins and Whales are seen to have remarkable intelligence compared to most other animals out there. There's multiple instances of dolphins and whales seemingly killing themselves and especially with dolphins, this is often done by simply stopping their own breathing.
Which is a conscious act as they have to consciously breathe unlike us, who CAN consciously breathe, but also can do it unconsciously.
The dolphin did kill himself afte rthe trainer was arrested for... uh... beastiality... sooo...
Golden Heart It does not change the fact that the dolphin kill himself because of lossing the trainer, sooo
Diego De Luque V was I saying it was proof against that?
You know dolphins are rapists its a well know fact that they have sex in large violent gangs
Elephants know what death is they even mourn their lost ones so idk maby a dog knows this too
That's a different animal you can't prove self awareness tho if you can't talk
Chris Dobbelaere the animal doesn't necessarily need to be able to talk for us to prove anything about them. After all there are countless examples of things we are completely certain about already without having to ask animals, for example bloodhounds have the strongest nose of any dog (I'm referring yo dogs you can keep as a friend don't bring up wolfs.), the blob fish's weird shape isn't weird because at the deep parts of the sea where it lives it actually compresses their body into a terrifying shape, dung beetles use the stars to navigate etc.
Frans Snyman yeah those are examples of basic stuff, like the stuff you just said makes no sense in the argument. Those are things that you can study and do research about but self awareness isn't just how good you can sense smells and how you look at stars.
Chris Dobbelaere There is actually a self-awareness test and elephants passed it. So did chimps. It's where you place a mirror in front of the animal. The animal has a dot painted on it and if it uses the mirror to touch or find the dot on its body, it's self aware.
Z0LSTICE I know there is a self awareness test, I missed my own point by mentioning it what I was trying to say is that elephants and dogs are different animals so you can't just say that if elephants have something dogs have the same but I noticed I am not the only one who knows to much useless stuff
When I was very young (maybe 4 or 5) I found a bird on the ground. It was also young but had all of its feathers. Looking up I could see a nest and assumed it fell or was learning to fly.
I picked the bird up and upon standing up it attempted to fly. It left my hand and (while flapping its wings) made it about 10 feet horizontally but descended the whole time during its unsuccessful flight.
I decided to help it learn and gave it a vertical, gentle toss. I repeated this about 4 times, and each time the little bird failed to fly.
On the last landing the little bird tucked its head underneath its wing and hopped several times. Each time it (what seemed purposely) landed sideways on the wing it had tucked his head until it broke its own neck. I am not sure why it did this, but I remember crying over the little bird. I never again touched a young bird on the ground.
Ofcourse animals won't commit suicide even if they understood its ramifications because they don't have to attend school or university
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There are no ramifications to suicide. All living things return back to that source energy, every time.
dolphins ... they have been well documented to kill themselves by refusing to breath one such dolphin was a dolphin that was part of a science experiment in seeing if dolphins could be taught to speak english. once the experiment was abandoned the dolphin became so depressed by being separated from the human it grew up with it killed it's self EVEN FLIPPER KILLED ITSELF
My parents told me when I was little that my dog committed suicide. She kind of did, but didn't mean to I'm sure now. She tried to jump over the fence in our backyard, but the chain got caught on the fence and she hung herself on the fence.
The Flea Poor dog.
tree fiddy :( I know...it was really sad bc I found her as a kid... But I do have a very important question to ask you...can I get about tree fiddy?
The Flea I wish your mother hadn't said that, and I'm sorry for your dog. Suicide is dying by choice, what happened to your dog was merely an accident. Rest in peace buddy.
I never know whether to upvote these kinds of comments or not...
Prince Sheogorath But...the Prince of Madness always knows what the answer is...even if it's CHEESEEEE....
You forgot squirrels. These nasty little beasts are cruel to each other. The males will fight and the winner will neuter the loser. These fights happen around the same time as there is an increase in squirrels standing up in the middle of traffic. Food for thought.
I read a short book once about a guy with a broken leg watching the summer wildlife outside his window while he healed. He told the story of a squirrel that lost an eye and therefore didn't have any depth perception. This severely limited the squirrel's daily activities and it became more and more timid, depressed even. He watched it climb to the top of a tall tree one day and launch itself into thin air. It died on impact.
Now, you could say the squirrel just misjudged his leap and didn't mean to commit suicide, but the author didn't think that was so. He'd watched those animals all summer and was convinced the squirrel wanted to die.
Neuter the loser Jesus squirrels are evil
Hamsters occassionally do the same thing and cats rabbits and guinea pigs eat their young if people handle them while young
I've seen twice a squirrel jump off a high branch and impact the ground. Neither died, so that probably means it was an accident.
Ducks try to drown other ducks sometimes, it's pretty brutal.
Actually, it isn't really known if women attempt suicide more often, as the studies that show this use suicide prevention networks, in which besides the fact men use psychological services less often, also those services then to focus on women.
Basically it's a case of not finding by not looking at it. Though it can be possible.
Other theories is that this discrepancies come from the fact that most "attempts" aren't attempts at all but cries for help, and since cries for help only work if someone is listening to it then it would make sense that women dis-proportionally would use "attempts" as a cry for help and men more frequently use the attempt with the intent of ending one's life and therefore succeed more often.
I tend to doubt the second, as most of those non-fatal suicide attempts come from pharmaceutical overdose of legal medication, and for those attempts not to be serious it would mean that a good chunk of the population knows that the DL50 in most drugs isn't about single use, but chronic use, which I highly doubt.
I once read about a dog in a research laboratory that escaped and jumped off of the roof.
The bee heat ball thing is amazing.
Great presentation Simon! Always a fan; you help me out, especially when I'm commuting or wake up from a sleep paralysis episode and need to calm down! Thanks brother-man. Be easy.
Yeah sure everybody does this
Obi-Wan Kenobi They had the high ground....
Not everyone gets themselves killed by a lightsaber on purpose
i killed myself 420.69 times, lol hurry up and get used to the taste of clorox already
im edgy and want to die
Orbs [GD] please don't die
Obi-Wan Kenobi hello there
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My sister's hamster ate both its own forelegs down to whittled bone points. Not recoverable. No moodiness had been noted.
mtilford was it being fed?
Jords Nz Yep. Water, food, clean living quarters. "They just do that," said vet, but weird and disturbing.
Was it kept in crittertrail or a 10 gallon tank?
A lot of cages sold for hamsters are actually to small for them and doesn't provide enough space to roam or mentally stimulate them.so they go insane from trying to escape and bordem.
star and fox It was a really, really large former aquarium. Two other hamsters, also Teddy Bears, had lived full, if boring, solitary lives there. Also, this was the 70s, so, memory fades. Except for the horror.
Dang dude
I remember being a kid and seeing a video in school where a queen bee was removed from her hive. The bees immediately began using royal jelly to produce a new queen. Upon hatching and assuming the place of the new hive queen, the old queen was returned to the hive and the 2 queens engaged in a fight to the death. The younger proved to be stronger and during the fight, the older queen stung herself to death which was confirmed by the narrator of the film.
yeah im sure this is scientifically correct
Was Jean-Claude Van Damme in this production?
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Are there any known animals other than humans that tame, and farm other animals? Like how we farm pigs and tame horses
There are ants that ‘keep’ aphids and even milk them as though they are cows to humans.
It depends on your definitions. "Tame" implies intentional domestication, and since the word "intentional" is hard to apply to any animal that refuses to answer interview questions, it's entirely reasonable to say that ants don't actually have _tame_ aphids, just aphids they evolved to live with symbiotically.
As some people mentioned, there are ants that farm aphids. They will herd them into certain areas they want them to be, will clip the wings of the reproductive aphids so they don't fly off to other plants, and they protect the aphids from predators. And there are the ants that enslave other ants.
Many parasites technically force other living being into living a certain way so that they can reproduce or spread. I know some insects kidnap other species and keep them alive while their offspring grow inside them and end up eating them. My explanation sucks but tl;dr: Nature is dark and scary. What we do to cows is clean AF compared to what some insects go through
hobo_billy sicadelic chimpanzeesdo display animal husbandry
Can an animal, like an insect, that is driven purely by instinct really be said to do anything willingly? Insects don't really choose to do this or that, at least not in the way we choose.
Insects just don't have the ability to consider the consequences of their choice.
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So many people are commenting on my comment, telling me how smart bugs are. I want to draw everyone's attention to a specific part of my comment. "AT LEAST IN THE WAY WE (humans) CHOOSE!"
This means that they may indeed "choose" but they do NOT carefully consider the reproductions of one choice against another in the way humans do.
Insects are so far removed from human experience I don't think we can ever understand the world in the way insects experience it.
Sure insects can respond to changes in the environment and even tell time. But this doesn't mean they are trainable in the same way a dog is.
Eric Taylor hive minds kinda violate how we understand thought...the hive mind knows what will happen but the individual doesn't...even though the individual is the hive mind
Well more the individual doesn't care even if they were capable of knowing
What makes you think that animals are purely driven by instinct?
+Patrick Grochowy what makes you think that they aren't? There's no way to know for sure, although we can make guesses based on study. Anyway, It's pretty likely that some animals are more conscious than others, and if this is the case, insects are probably on the low end of the spectrum,
Observation and experience in living together with animals. As you say, there is no way to tell for sure. But it seems very likely, that (self-)consciousness is gradual property. I wouldn't say, that insects are on the "low" end, they are but very far away from our known behaviour patterns (it's more easy to find similarities in mammal-behaviours for us, because we are mammals ourselves). But it's arrogant to deny insects consciousness, just because their behaviour is so alien to us.
Badgers always jumping under my tyres!
And then u get blamed for it
People are so dumb. Badgers kill themselves
F33l G00D INCORPORATED yep always tell them that
tires* And deer are always jumping in front of my car, one ran in front then past it and then turned around and jumped back.. It died bad
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Milk came out of my nose when he said "Bees will intentionally explode their own penises", the image in my head was fucking ridiculous
May not be a bad idea to leave a hotline number for those who are depressed
Elijah Marshall If anyone needs to talk, do so here, with a stranger, your doctor, friends etc. There are people who want to help and understand you.
i was surprised and disappointed when he didn't...
Lex Luthor When you're in a bad sometimes a stranger's compassion can make all the difference
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You didn't mention the Flipper dolphin. That's widely considered to be suicide.
You mentioned bees, but not their most ordinary way of ending their life - stinging an animal that is 4 times as big as itself or bigger. When they sting, their barbed stingers lodge in the stung animal, and the bee is killed when pulling loose. This opens the question: Does it know that the action of stinging will end its life? Either way, it's the same as with the ants. Even if the bee knows that it will die if it stings, the individual bee will sacrifice itself for the good of the hive.
"Y'all white people look the same, y'all black people look the same, y'all yellow people look the same" -Worker ant of the nest next to my house 2017.
Nico Francis your fucking gay
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btw I don't own a gay, what did my gay do anyway?
Yellow people?
Yeah, just reflecting on how people associate races with colors, but really though, black people aren't black, they are brown, and white people aren't white, even though some can get pretty close to it
Flies I swear want to die when they buzz around me. Argh!
Can you go over the history of the Ouija board. How they went from almost tools to toys.
They were toys to begin with, unless you see it as a 'tool' to snatch up as much green as possible from naive consumers. A board game solely for spooky party entertainment, exploiting the obsession with spiritualism in America at the time of it's conception. Back then, seances were the to-do thing; So naturally, a board game playing on this was an epic-level success.
JustAnotherUA-camr Watch the company man he made a video on that
john medina thanks, I’ll check it out!
JustAnotherUA-camr did you end up watching it?
I did actually. It was a really interesting video, thanks for introducing me to it!
A big problem in your video is do people really understand the consequences of Suicide. You mentioned how a dog may stop eating when depressed. People do it to. Some people die. If you told someone who was Super depressed that they need to eat or they will die will they care?
Suicide can be linked to depression. Depression can be seen in other animals like dogs, or even dolphins. I doubt that the ability to understand the consequences is what makes something suicide. Because many people who commit Suicide Just don't care.
When someone depressed jumped off the golden gate bridge about half way down he thought maybe this was a bad idea, and survived. So in the moment before he jumped, he didn't think about the Consequences. Don't you think that a few of the jumping dogs thought to themselves Rut Rooo about half way down?
You even compared the bees to a solder jumping on a grenade. But even in that moment the solder dosen't think about the consequences of his actions. He willingly sacrifices himself just like the bees.
So maybe the act of Suicide is based in nature and not something special to just the people.
The stock photos in this episode where especially bad.
What? The whale with the suicide note was hilarious.
is there such thing as a good stock photo
I noticed that too!
*they made me want to kill my self.*
Reminds me of the stock footage of women applauding -_-
Ignorance can be bliss sometimes. Animals such as dogs have no real understanding of their own mortality. They have zero clue that they themselves will one day cease to exist. My dog probably thinks he will just be happy and live with me forever.
Banter Board no you're wrong.
Yeah cause dogs are just organisms bred with Williams syndrome
Sofia Gomez Stockholme, you mean.
That's not true. All animals understand the eternal nature of their being. They actually accept the transition that humans call the death experience quite easily. They don't fight it like we do. They allow it.
dolphins ... they have been well documented to kill themselves by refusing to breath one such dolphin was a dolphin that was part of a science experiment in seeing if dolphins could be taught to speak english. once the experiment was abandoned the dolphin became so depressed by being separated from the human it grew up with it killed it's self EVEN FLIPPER KILLED ITSELF
Do you know, lovebirds do suicide when no partner around in a terrible way
They will not eat their food even they were forced
Thats why my bird die, he didnt brink his water and gone heat stroke
Dictionary.
Ok then that’s technically your fault
Flipper I'd the first thing I thought about before the video started
I wrote this before I saw your comment but yeah dolphis and parrots are well documented suicides
dolphins ... they have been well documented to kill themselves by refusing to breath one such dolphin was a dolphin that was part of a science experiment in seeing if dolphins could be taught to speak english. once the experiment was abandoned the dolphin became so depressed by being separated from the human it grew up with it killed it's self EVEN FLIPPER KILLED ITSELF
Nicky s flipper was when I saw little but I still remember the story
Frogs they kermit suicide
Under this logic though suicide bomber don't count as suicide.
Curtis Jones how?
Because in their mind they are doing it for the greater good.
Curtis Jones
"In their mind" being the key word. People who commit suicide often think people will be "better off without them". Most people convince themselves their actions are virtues, that doesn't make those actions "sacrificial". Live grenades and disease are physical, immidiate threats, civilians in a public area minding their own business are not.
Almost all suicide is thought by the person "for the greater good" suicide is defined as killing yourself on purpose while understanding what killing yourself means....not killing yourself for selfish or non beneficial reasons
LOL, I wasn't trying to morally justify it. If someone believes that it is a greater purpose than I believe that is the same. From the mind of the person doing the deed, it may preserve life for their family or kill an otherwise unbeatable enemy.
British VSauce lol
What about dolphins? The dolphin trainer from the tv show Flipper claimed one of the flipper actor dolphins committed suicide in his arms by intentionally stopping breathing & this was why he switched from trainer to activist. I was expecting this video was going to talk about that :( I want to know if it's true!
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I saw an interview with him about it, but we kind of have to take his word for it. However Peter the dolphin is also alleged to purposefully stop breathing after being separated from the human woman he'd had a sexual relationship with. This second story lends credibility to the first account in my opinion.
hang on, a dolphin was having sexual relations with a human woman????????
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yes jumping on a grande to save others is still in the definition of suicide
noun
1.
the intentional taking of one's own life.
2.
destruction of one's own interests or prospects:
Buying that house was financial suicide.
3.
a person who intentionally takes his or her own life.
verb (used without object), suicided, suiciding.
4.
to commit suicide.
verb (used with object), suicided, suiciding.
5.
to kill (oneself).
Voo_Hu I don't see the psychology of jumping on a grenade scenario in any of those definitions. If I jump on a grenade I'm not thinking "okay I'll kill myself". I'm thinking "oh shit, I need to block this thing from these other guys". I'd never have the chance to think about dying.
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The bridge dog thing doesn't actually make mink sense in that so much as sounds like an excuse.
The bridge for one, is known for being haunted and no matter what kind of dog, they always kill themselves, even after being rescued or restrained.
The minx thing is just sorta stupid. Like saying, oh..uh there was candy there or bacon or a squirrel - to which there are such things everywhere anyway and u don't see dogs offing themselves in most other places.
Altruistic or not, it's still suicide by definition.
Also most humans who kill themselves are also selfless - or their pov, in the sense they don't care about themselves and feel their death would improve the lives of others somehow/or they'd be happier w.o them.
(Depression sucks :-( )
Huh. Neat
Yap Kai Yang That Dorkly reference.
Heh heh. Give this man a cookie
"about 3 times as many women attempt suicide as men"
Because most women attempting suicide don't want to die, they just want attention.
My brothers cat hung itself in a shoelace. Yeah, animals can be suicidal
Daniel Nicolas shoe-icide?
This is one of the best and most well done channels on youtube!
You guys really go the extra mile for the facts. Not sensationalism for clicks. Great stuff!
When i was a kid i had 2 birds, a male and a female. The female died and the male stopped eating, drinking or do anything.
What's interesting about it is that he also lost all sense of preservation. When we used to open cage to change something he would always try to fly away or would stay away from our hands.
But this time i remember opening his cage and him just staying there. As a desperate kid i even tried to hand feed him but with no success.
He died shortly after.
I don't know if he knew he would die the only thing i know is that he didn't care if he did.
Btw i might sound cold when i talk about but i truly loved those birds and was devastated when they died. And they taught me that animals are way more complex than most people think.
There was that story about a bile bear that killed her cub and then herself by ramming into a wall repeatedly. She could have just been psychologically traumatized from the way bile bears are treated but it may have been intentional to get both and her cub out of a horrifying place, better dead than tortured your whole life only to be killed and sold for parts when you can't produce bile anymore.
Yep, I was listening and was in the process of subscribing as you came up after the credits. The irony.
Before watching the video: Dolphins are known for commiting suicide. For them breathing is a voluntary act, there's no involuntary system that can take over and force them to breath, several captive dolphins have commited suicide in the arms of their trainers, including 2-3 of the ones who played Flipper, on the TV series by the same name(I forget if it's 2 or 3).
Who is ago when I was quite young, my family was traumatized by the loss of the father. The father had a cat that adored him. About a week after his death, it dawned on the family that the cat was also affected. It had not eaten since it’s owner died suddenly. Because of their own personal trauma, no one really noticed the suffering of the cat. The cat was rushed to the vet. Given shots of vitamins and nutrition, and water under the skin. She was also dehydrated. It was not long and the cat stopped moving entirely... and died.
Please note, this is a story of a cat, not a dog. I’ve heard of dogs also willing themselves to an early death after the loss of a love one. But I’ve not known anyone who’s had a dog that has died of a broken heart. I don’t know if you call the suicide, but I do.
When I was a baby, my family had two chihuahuas - a mother and daughter. The daughter was... slow, and drowned in a shallow pond we had on our property. About a week later my dad was backing the car out of the driveway when the mother dog, who had been laying dejectedly on the verandah, suddenly ran like a bat out of hell toward the car aimed right for the wheels. My dad was horrified. Prior to this she had avoided cars like the plague. I'm not saying it was a suicide, but it sure was unusual.
2:12 the eloquence of that statement is beautiful.
Really interesting. I hadn't thought of this topic before. Thank you for making.
This is the kind of thing that makes this channel so good- what a fascinating question
Had a friend who had a brother. His brother had a dog. His brother left to another country and left the dog at his family home. Nobody cared about the dog except for feeding him. The dog tried to jump a bunch of times from the third floor. There was no wall so he could actually see the edge. He also tried a bunch of time to escape and go stand on the middle of a four lane road. It was bad. I once asked my friend what was going on, he told me they had taken the dog to a vet and that the dog was basically depressed and suicidal.
Not sure anyone else has a similar story? But I believe animals can be so depressed they let themselves die or even provoke it.
Excellent as usual... what else could be expected from this channel and it’s affiliates.
I had a cat who was very scared of the 2 male kittens we got from an animal shelter. She never went anywhere near them and if they approached she would hiss and go hide somewhere.
Some months later her attitude changed completely. The 2 brothers usually stayed in the lounge room and she came in and laid down right in the middle of the room. She didn’t seem herself. We took her to the vet who found her body riddled with cancer.
I wonder if she was so ill that she hoped the 2 male cats would kill her? It always makes me sad thinking about it.
We tried to rescue a young wild rabbit that lost its mother. Though not necessarily suicidal, it gave up living after a day. It wouldn't eat, move, or even respond to our attempts to interact with it. It was depressing.
A note on the grasshopper bit, the parasites jump into the water doesn’t always kill the host.
New channel looks great, can't wait to see more great content! You should do a solar system series (and you better include Pluto lol)
Can you find out why cars (in America) now have "bucket" seats or "captain" seats -individual seats -instead of the former bench seats that characterized the Early 1970's cars and before?
If reincarnation exists, maybe it’s people who die, were born as the animal, somehow realize they used to be human, and decided life sucks now.
After my father died his/my dog went to a neighbor's fence hole where a dog that he knew would attack him grab him by the neck and pull him through the small hole. The neighbor told us in the middle of the day that his dog was swinging our dog around by the neck. He was broken and a awful way to go. He really loved my dad and two weeks after his death he decided to suicide.
Kathy, one of the bottle nosed dolphins that played Fliipper in the 1960's TV show, became depressed with her living conditions, and refused to surface and drown.
My Dog a Jack Russell Terrier Commited Suicide right in front of me. I adopted her and was abusive. We were out for a walk. Under a bridge and train passed overhead. My Dog noticed another dog and chased into moving train... The first dog died and my dog was near my side quiet and still. I hit my stick on her back extremely hard and my dog walked away from me up to train. Got Danger close looked backed and said; "No more abuse...." And jumped into train and died on the scene.
When I had to travel for work, my pet sitter would complain about my cats' refusal to eat for the first few days I was away. As stated, sadness suppresses true hunger.
I subscribed to your channel, very interesting stuff.
Well thats a fun story. I imagine this is how you bring it up in conversation, "Hey, did I ever tell you about the time where Disney threw a bunch of animals off a cliff for a documentary?"
Just discovered this channel- I love this host!
Imagine being like "a man throwing himself on a grenade is the same as a ant sacrificing itself for the colony." Bro different species different goals, there's a reason why it's expected of ants but when a human does it he gets a medal, show some respect to the people who can dedicate that amount of self-sacrifice because unlike ants humans aren't likely to do it.
Thank you bro!
Great show. Thanks
I heard from a student collauge from El Salvador that they as child had a strange plesure of finding scorpions, then they made a ring of petrol around the scorpion and set the petrol ablaze, first the scorpion tried desperatly to find a way out of the ring, when it noticed it was impossible, the Scorpion stung it self. AKA it commited suicied.
A friends dog a few months ago was tied up on his deck, the leash was attached to the collar around his neck, and he jumped off the deck and hung himself. I just hope that he fell hard enough to snap his neck, dying quickly instead of slowly and painfully suffocating to death... which made me curious about whether he knew what he was doing or if he had no idea he would die.
No joke, I do knew of a dog using water for suicide that I witnessed myself. My friends dog was riddled with cancer and she refused to put the poor dog down. The dog went into her neighbor's Pond. It was a very shallow Pond. The dog walked out into it and laid down. I went out to get the dog but she tried to bite me. My friend's father eventually was able to get her out of the pond. As soon as he did the dog went right back in and laid down again. At that point her father got her out of the pond again and brought her to the vet and had her put down. It was sad.
I had a “water dragon” lizard commit suicide. My best friend’s lizard did the same thing. Mine tried to commit suicide first by leaping into my pool, and then refusing to swim... then later on, I put a water bowl in his inclosure with warm water (because he liked to bathe in warm water), and when I came back and he had decided to drown himself in water only deep enough to barely submerge his body halfway. However, at that point in his life he was suffering from a mouth ailment and had tried to stop eating. I got him eating again, only for that to happen.
My grandfather left gave away his dog who has been with him for 7+ years. His new owner tied him in the neck so it won't go away, my grandfather left and the dog ran in the direction my grandfather went while he's tied. The dog ends up choking himself and died.
2:06 nooo that’s so sad I’m actually crying now but I’m glad I finally know why they did that. Before, people just said it was supernatural...
When my grandfather died, his dog ran out of the house directly into traffic. Even thought it is against the law, the funeral home put the dog in the casket with pa. They were together 110% of the time when they were living. They are still together today.
I once saw a bee walking in circles on the floor and it wouldn't fly. I put him on a wall so that nobody would step on him. He stopped spinning, but turned around and jumped off the wall, I put him back up but he jumped again, this happened over and over again. I think it was some sort of parasite, I know there is some sort of parasite that goes into bees head but I can't remember what it's called.
Cats and dogs don't exactly commit suicide but when they think they're dying (usually of old age), they'll leave the house and allow themselves to die somewhere. If they can't leave the home, they'll hide. Seagulls also fly away from their nests and let themselves drown in the sea when they get old.
Hi Matthew! never knew you had a third channel :D
Thank you for talking about Overton bridge! I heard about this many years ago and had forgotten about the (supposed) phenomenon. P.s. always good to hear a British accent!
My boy’s hamster gnawed a hole through a 2nd story mesh screen and jumped. Didn’t die. Brought him back inside, did the same thing the next day and died on impact
Very surprised at Simon and daven as well as the other researchers for not mentioning the incident involving one of the dolphins who played flipper. There was an incident involving the trainer involved with handling the (I believe 3) dolphins known for playing flipper. One dolphin presented an extremely depressed demeanor before taking a final breath at falling to the bottom of the tank never to resurface. This point(connecting to suicide) is made more intense being that dolphins have to consciously take each breath and are aware that failure to do so is catastrophic.
I'm not sure that many of the people that have committed suicide understood the implication that the act will end their existence.
there are many people that believe in life after death
When I was young my neighbors dog was chained outside and mostly forgotten classic case of neglect in all weather and when he got a bit older and temps began to drop I believe he felt he couldn't survive another winter he strangled himself at the end of his chain instead of freezing to death as he lost weight in his older age
4:55 LMAO I wasnt ready for that
"For an act to be classified as a suicide, the agent must know that what it is doing will end its life."
So, what if you're a character in the movie SAW, and you have to make a Sophie's choice-esque decision but it's with your own life? Does not say, pulling your eye out to live mean that you're committing suicide? Or is that an exception due to duress?
Or, what about this situation - what if you're driving and trying to beat a train. You could live and barely make it, or get smashed by the train. Is that committing suicide if the agent knows that there's a _chance_ of dying?
And, what about this scenario - new recruits facing the fiercest campaign of the Vietnam War know that statistically, they stand a better chance of dying over living, yet they must fight. For sake of argument, let's say it's 80% vs 20%, dying vs. living, respectively. If those soldiers know that the chances are against them and they fight, then is that suicide? Or, is this an exception given that the soldiers have no practical choice except to get court martial?
Once, when my cat brought a mouse she thought was dead to my back porch, the mouse got up after she put it down and jumped off of the porch and died.
I know it was probably just trying to get away from the cat and misjudged the jump, but I felt it was relevant.
My dog stopped going to the bathroom and eating for about 4 days while my family and I were on vacation, and almost died. I could believe that dogs get depressed when their owners die