Why Women Fainted So Much in the 19th Century
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Dropping like flies (or at least as far as many stories indicate), it seems as if well-bred ladies in the 1800s struggled to maintain consciousness when faced with even the slightest emotional or physical shock. Over the years there have been several theories as to why this seemed to happen, from the women’s garb to simply conforming to societal expectations.
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Out of genuine curiosity I'm interested in your thoughts of this video:
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I've watched your video 3 times now, back to back, trying to understand your views on the corset's relation to fainting and on a particularly random day I happened upon this aforementioned video and are curious if and how it effects your opinions and research.
Corset to tight couldn't breath.
Btw they did not tight lace their corsets then. The corset just made the curves more defined and the had bum rolls to exaggerate the shape. Also in the photos you see of women in the late 19th century is the very early stages of photoshop.
"How's about we get to my place so I can....relieve your hysteria"
-Some guy in the Victorian Era
Their version of Netflix and chill.
Sorry that was me, I’m the guy. I’m sorry for what I did please forgive me.
I think that the profession of gigolo could have been mixed with profession of doctor, what could have been pretty convenient if you don't consider the fact that they showered once per year.
Vulcan Peace, M'lady?
pffft, did you hear him speak about what a chore it was to actually "relieve" her hysteria? In reality, you were probably just interested in your own hysteria, which could be relieved in a minute or two. Why do you think these women needed doctors to do it for them - the guys in their lives clearly weren't.
You know you have money when you have a room just for fainting in
lone wanderer
Your profile-picture is so fitting
Thank God Fallout exists!
Hurenson Internet I was gonna say that before i read your reply. XD
It’s called a bedroom...
KHALIIL01 lol yea sex drugs and rock and roll lol
It seems that US universities rediscovered idea of having such room for people claiming being in emotional distress, and called it "safe spaces".
A lady faints and someone shouts is there a doctor in the house?
-Every man in the room stands up!
Depending on the woman 😉
@@honey_bee65 You got that right.
Just imagine how embarrassed a "lady" would be fainting and no man showed up to help.☹️💔
@@wms1650 There actually was such embarrassments for not being asked to dance by any man in social gatherings.
If the implied reasoning here were true and men were so eager to think of women's needs, women would be more satisfied with heterosexual sex than they are
I feel faint.
For a time, during the 1960’s, I lived with my grandmother, and her mother. My great grandmother was born in 1875, during the Victorian era. By the time I knew her, she was mostly blind, partially deaf, and was unable to get around without assistance and in her upper 80’s. To help her with her needs, my grandmother gave her a beautiful bell, the sort that would call a someone for assistance, banish the thought! My great grandmother would ding-a-ling ring for my grandmother about every 5 minutes it seemed to me. It seemed that way to grandma too, so whenever I could after school I would answer the bell. I loved to do it because my great grandmother would tell me stories of her life. My grandmother also told me about the Victorian era, because her mother fancied herself a true Victorian lady, prim and proper, complete with dramatic fainting spells if her bell was left unattended when rung. Thank you for this piece. Very true to the cause.
I've always wondered why the victorian women in the movies fainted at the drop of a hat.
Hunter deja 😂😂
They were actually doctors that did this practice. They thought that the time that the womb traveled around the body, and it being out of place was one of the 'reasons' for hysteria. It was also one of the 'medical benefits' of corsets, trying to keep that uterus tame lol
It was actually because of gas lighting sucking up all the oxygen in the parlor where women sat all day. Women have been wearing corsets for over a thousand years and this fainting epidemic was only prevalent in Victorian times. This is also why fainting was more of a thing with middle and upper class women.
Because they just wanted a good fingering lol
I always though that it came from a comedy or such.
Oh no I'm gonna binge watch hundreds of these
At least you'll learn interesting things, unlike binge watching most channels on UA-cam. :-)
Are you suggesting that I won't learn interesting things from watching videos of kittens trying citrus fruits for the first time for four hours?
Today I Found Out I can't stop watching I must finish them all
He said most, you can learn a lot from that, everyone knows that it's the most intelligent thing to watch besides Rick and Morty.
Connor McGill haha and I love being your 700th like
Literally the day after I watched this, I fainted for the first time in my life. Coincidence? I think not.
I paused the video for several hours and fainted for the first time ever, it's definitely not a coincidence.
라이언천사의 I hope you're okay! 💚
sunicarus Thanks for asking I'm fine 😃
라이언천사의 Happy to hear it 😊
R/thathappened
As someone who does living history, I can say that a corset originally wasn't meant to slim the waist so much as support garments. Like he mentioned in the video, women wore a lot of clothing, so having a corset basically took the stress off of your hips when wearing heavy skirts. However, a corset doesn't so much shrink your waist, rather it changes it from an oval to a circular shape giving the illusion of a smaller waist (think of sticking out your belly). Additionally, fashion called for bustles and full sleeves, enhancing even more the look of a small waist. Obviously there were women who wore corsets to shrink their waist, and there still are extremists, but wearing a properly fitted corset I can comfortably move, breathe, and even dance. I don't believe a corset would have been a main reason for swooning during the Victorian era, rather other reasons that were suggested in the video. Check this out if you don't believe me that corsets are actually really comfortable: ua-cam.com/video/6_Ogeug8XPc/v-deo.html
THIS
I've also found that the stays are helpful to be sure the dress always fits - especially for close- fit bodices, it's helpful to have a garment that redistributes that last bowl of ice cream (why yes, I *do* speak from experience) 😁
Thank you. That's exactly what I was looking for
Keep in mind that he points out that there were lacing traditions and waist-training fashions that were SPECIFIC to the Victorian Era. Corsets have been worn in many forms, for many years, at many different times, by many different types of people, for many different reasons. It doesn't seem fair to compare your experience doing 'living history' with accounts of the time. Even if you reenact Victorian fashions (which I don't think you mentioned specifically, just that you wear a corset) I don't think they would be able to use garments that were so accurate that they contained the toxic or illegal substances that they contained at the time (whalebone/ivory, staining and dying chemicals, etc). Also, moving about in a corset for a limited period of time doesn't really compare to the sort of lifelong waist-training discussed in this video.
Not saying that some corsets can't be comfortable, or that the other reasons mentioned in the video may not have been the real primary causes for Victorian ladies fainting, but half the comments are people making jokes about masturbating doctors and the other half are all testimonials from ladies saying "but corsets are comfy!" He goes into very specific detail about why that simply was not true for the time, or why "comfort" may have been irrelevant in the face of health factors, and also makes sure to include a dissenting opinion of the time as well that talks about how only people who don't know how to wear corsets would say not to wear corsets. Just... no one is attacking your ability to wear corsets. It's okay.
bluesira Hi I’ve done Victorian Historical Re-enactment. A few things tight lacing was only done by the upper class and they could afford custom made corsets which means it would be comfortable for them. Also it’s possible to make a corset that significantly reduces the waist size without causing any stress on one’s hips or ribs. I know this from making and knowing various people who make corsets. I’ve also worn a Victorian styled corset for days in a row where I was constantly walking, dancing, singing, etc.
Now if that isn’t enough there’s a UA-camr that essentially grew up wearing a corset and has done extensive research into corsets. Here is Her take, since it would be the most similar to those who have done lifelong waist-training: m.ua-cam.com/video/rExJskBZcW0/v-deo.html
So what I learnt from this was, if you were a lesbian in the Victorian era, be a midwife
Or hire one.
I always laugh when I'm alone.
When Mr Poopybutthole started talking about how much he accomplished between seasons and faulted the viewers for probably having achieved nothing at all in the same time, .... I LOLed
its just saying most cases of lauphter are small quick social ques rather than full blown lauphter
skyblade bloodheart Laughter* c:
its a hard word sue me XD lol
skyblade bloodheart To be fair to you, in English a -gh- doesn't (normally) make a "F" sound.... except in laughter
What I learned: masturbation is not a sin if you are reliving Hysteria
Corsets are like shoes. Cheap ones aren't comfortable. Expensive ones made by experts on your body size are heaven on earth.
BlackCroft666LP true
A modern, properly tailored and fitted corset isn't really the wearable, wrap-around bench vice it used to be back then though. It's not so much for squishing your innards into a Brazilian lift ^^,
3:05 this was already addressed
@@pr0xZen actually modern corsets (waist trainers really) are very rarely actually fitted properly _especially_ when compared to the careful craftsmanship of historical corset makers. Also there is actually _no_ evidence that would suggest that ribs were removed, organs permanently displaced, digestive system ruined and the like. If you can find one skeleton that suggests this kind of impact was made hmu. Corsets were designed to be comfortable and practical as a priority. Despite what this bloke says, tight lacing was actually _very_ rare and greatly frowned upon by most respectable women. It was actually opposers to the suffragette movement that invented most of the myths about corsetry and targeted tight-lacers claiming they were the rule rather than the anomaly to give women less validity in this movement.
@@DuchessOfDoofus it took 2 minutes on Google scholar to find illustrations and studies showing permanent deformation and damage...
If someone faints from tight lacing
Do they get waisted?
Internet Bear that was smart lol
Internet Bear yes
Well played.
Internet Bear ha!
Internet Bear
An ostrich in the audience:"Ha haaaaa".
Victorian era time travel tips: Do NOT lick the wall paper, Do post a resume on being a "pelvic masseuse".
they don't want pelvic masseuses, they only want pelvic masseurs!!
Given the habits of personal hygiene in those days, I seriously doubt that anyone from today would want to stand very close to the pelvic area of those ladies...
Jose Silveira LMAO
But the snozberries taste like snozberries. I have to lick the paper!
Well, it probably isn't worse than licking the said ladies (I leave the exact spot for you to chose).
Lesbian in the Victorian era.
"Call the midwife, I shall be in my fainting room."
Lmao
But in the Victorian era, people hated LGBTQ so that means nobody was gay or lesbian
@@crabbearyscottage9899 Well, people were, they just weren't allowed to show it for fear of being cast out, imprisoned, or worse. But that didn't mean they didn't KNOW of their attraction to their own gender, they simply didn't have a word for it.
Jester
Ok 👌🏻
I feel there's a subreddit someone should be referencing here
"I wear this for comfort."
It was a lie then and it's a lie now.
This is why I stopped wearing clothes
I find them comfy, especially when having menstrual cramps and back pain. It also just feels like a nice hug haha
Imagine the smell of the Vagina with all that clothing under wear. Because showers were not a norm & baths were few and far between. Did you ask yourself underwear? Hahahahaha
They just wanted to be under cover whores, getting orgasminzed.
Tomoko Kuroki explains your pic
Renske050 lucky
So now we know why Victorian women always faint when an attractive man is around.
Is this also where the term "playing doctor" comes from?
TheStabbyBrit 😂😂
That is a really good question!
TheStabbyBrit could be!
That actually makes of lot of sense.
Good point,, is there a doctor in the house!!??
Personal vibrators eliminated the position of "Hysteria Treatment Professional"
*_automation claims another job_*
i believe that much of the fainting can be attributed to arsenical wallpapers. back then green was an extremely sought after colour, and when Scheele’s Green, the original green arsenical paint, was made, many others came after it and everyone wanted a vivid arsenical green in their homes, resulting in a lot of sickness and a lot of death by arsenic poisoning. i myself lived in a home with arsenic wallpaper- the wm. buttrick house in peperell, circa late 1700s-early 1800s. someone at some point had put arsenical wallpapering in my room, my sister’s room, and the kitchen. the owners before us didn’t live in the house, it was supposedly a family home they wanted to keep. they sold it to us and within a week of staying i was constantly fainting, had migraines every day, and could hardly get out of bed.
How did you end up realizing what the problem was, and resolving it?
Hypnotoad very late, but maybe it's because they that the house was Victorian and the walls were a specific color of green
Oh, my god. I'm so glad you realized! Many ppl have never even heard of it. I only knew bc I'm a huge history buff and love William Morris designs.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention the connection between the Greek word for uterus, and hysteria. Hysteria was thought to be centered in and caused by the uterus, and thus a unique and inevitable failing of women.
Yep! That's why a hysterectomy is called such. The root of the word is hysteria as it pertains to the uterus.
Duh. (Failing?????)
Priscilla Wilson
Yep, a failing. A reason why women weren’t allowed to own property, hold most jobs, or sue for divorce. They had a uterus, which messed with their brains. In the Middle Ages, it was believed that the uterus would float up towards the brain, interfering with its functions. The cure? Sit on perfume and sniff dung to encourage it to go back down.
Quote Queen Elizabeth I’s speech at Tilbury: “I know I have the body of a weak, feeble woman; but I have the heart and stomach of a king”.
Women were considered inferior, and part of it was their internal organs.
(Which is obviously complete BS)
Accurate
so the cure for fainting is masturbation?
Colin Wolcott not necessarily but ever since ancient Greece, the only treatment available in the west aside from being jacketed and committed was forced orgasm. Whether done by masturbation, vibrator or one of those ancient versions of the modern cry...cybil...I forget the name but the machine that replicates a thrusting penis a woman aligned her passage up to. its only been like 75 yrs that this was totally phased out as quackery. in fact the turn of the century to the 1950s or so saw horrible torture in the form of treatment too (well the "too" only if you agree that today such treatments mentioned would be assault) cuz that's when electroshock treatment was big as were lobotomies which had huge famous cases like JFKs sister and were so popular they had do it at home kits that people use to this day if they are really into the whole drilling holes in the scalp trend I forget the name but man is it extreme and stupid
Benji Villeneuve Drilling holes in the skull is called trepanning.
Benji Villeneuve ...
Guess that's why I never faint
Maybe that explains why I never faint... 8^)
No, cure for fainting is NOT masturbation!
Girl: Henry come over
Boy: I can’t I’m building a railroad
Girl: I’m thinking about fainting later
Boy: 🏃
To the wonderful person who invented the vibrator, my histeria thanks you a million times over.
There's actually a movie out about the doctor responsable for it.
Ew
You're welcome David. This is David right? 😱
I still say women are lucky in this regard. Not only can you have multiple ones without a big deal, but toys are so much better. Toys for men don't really seem to work or do anything. They just seem like a way to rip you off.
@Van Tazz Fuck off, ya prude. The 1950's are over buddy.
As someone who worked for three years at a living history museum set in 1845, I totally agree on the “too many layers of hot clothes“ thing. We didn’t have to wear corsets (unlike women of the day), and we only had to wear one petticoat instead of the usual 4 to 6, but in the summer those floor-length gowns are brutal. Plus the “day cap” on your head to control the hair, keep it clean & for “modesty”. Lots of heat gets lost through the head, or trapped there in this case.
I had to carry a hand fan at all times, because for historical accuracy we couldn’t have electric fans or air conditioning, and I still often felt like I was going to pass out. And I was lucky, working in buildings where I didn’t have to have a fire lit at all times. Just imagine cooking for your family over a hearth fire, for hours, while wearing five layers of skirts at minimum! And those skirts are made of cotton, so if you get too close to the fire, you can catch fire and die.
(That’s not hyperbole. I was helping to move a heavy pot full of dyeing wool off a fire one day and my gown caught flame. I knew to stop, drop and roll and one of my co-workers dumped water on me, but they didn’t know that back then. And the cotton burns FAST. Only reason I wasn’t injured was the wool leggings I was wearing that October under my gown, since wool is naturally fire-resistant.)
And the kicker? These were not wealthy women. These outfits were the standards for the middle class in rural upstate New York! If you wore fewer than four petticoats, It was possible that the shape of your legs would be visible, and you would be seen as a “loose woman”, and socially ostracized. These ladies couldn’t afford the more breathable hoop skirts. Also, the middle class didn’t get fainting couches or fancy vibrators. They had smelling salts.
Instead of “here, let the nice doctor massage your lady bits”, it was “here, smell this ammonia (which smells a bit like Windex or urine) so it stimulates an inhalation reflex and you can breathe again.”
Ajehy That's exactly what happened to Oscar Wilde's younger and only, sister. Her dress caught fire in the drawing room, lounge, and spread so quickly she died from her injuries.
Ajehy that's a really awesome anecdote! thank you!
Ajehy
WOw, bless any and all souls who had to endure such atrocity in many cases as was shown having the reorganization of ones organs and all causing their own problems plus all of the pain, the inability to breath and eat regularly, not only was there pain from being bound so tightly there were many times where the boning would stab the woman in most cases causing mild to severe pain while in others instances to varying degrees the woman would or could be stabbed by the boning, either due to sizing issues, too large but usually too small causing if she were to bend or swoop down to do or retrieve something the bone could literally stab her but in other cases especially where sticks were used then next bone rarely with ivory the boning could be old and dried out and or brittle if not care for properly and therefore causing many to splinter in two usually causing a pointed and sharp edge perfect for stabbing the lady for simply sitting down or heaven forbid should she faint, and the really really crappy thing is it was all done for fashion and women let themselves be dictated to via usually a man in the fashion field anyway to tell them something so ridiculous, unnecessary, and painful should be all the rage and therefore must be worn!
Sorry but this woman would have never fit into those eras, heck I still don't fit in but anyway, no man or woman is going to tell me anything is or is not fashionable, nor will I allow anyone to dictate and tell me I am happy or sad if I don't have this or that status type symbol and I absolutely refuse even if given one to live in a mansion and or have expensive vehicles like lamboghini, land rover, etc... Give them to me free and clear and then Watch me change the world with the funds I would get from selling it all! I would for one do away with all of the elite, with All Banksters, the pope and vatican, and any priests practicing pedophillia, the queen and whole royal family plus all other royal families Practicing these evil dark Arts of pedophillia, the drug kings the human trafficking kings the clintons obamas the plus the cia the pentagon and all black ops the people at cern and shut it down and reverse what has be done so far!
Find out exactly who is pulling all of everybodys strings and sit them down and have a chat as well as anyone still left in isis and boko haram as well as these george soros antifa and kkk and other groups, blm that he and hillary have created and shut them all down! I would aprehend hillary and bill clinton as well as michale and barry soetoro aka obama as well as all cia, fbi, pentagon, fema, irs, dhs and dhs, nsa
Ajehy You can thank Queen Victoria for all of that.
Oh god. Please learn to use punctuation! That is the longest run on sentence ive ever seen...
Corsets may have been terrible, but at least something good "came" of it.
i see what you did there....
Jane Murphy ay b nice profile picture ;)
🥁🥁, *crash*
Cricket noice cricket noice
Blood of Gaea jezuz
"The only people who speak out about x issue, are people who have never tried" wow, people don't change their arguments do they?
No, they don't. I always answer that by asking them, "In that case, it is pointless to have literature or theater."
That is completely beyond the point of that letter. At that time, many were spreading misinformation about corsetry (and still are), claiming they had all the answers because they wore it for a day but the fact of the matter is that to _actually_ understand what life was like in a corset they had to have worn it regularly and _properly._ She was simply defending the garment that had given millions of women imperative support for hundreds of years from knobheads who had no understanding of ecological validity
It is a very convenient argument because it allows the person to dismiss anyone who challenges their point of view. Anytime someone speaks out they are dismissed as someone who lacks the adequate experience to complain regardless of how experienced they actually are.
@@NoName-ms8jb sure, if it was being used as a placeholder argument. The point is not to dismiss all points of view given by the inexperienced but to dismiss claims of truth. These people were not just spreading ideas but rather claiming they had indisputable truth which inherently can't be gotten without a primary or credible (often expert) source. It's like if I claimed that Botox caused rashes and pain even though I have never had it nor do I know anyone who has or anyone in that area of expertise. I could hypothesise or express concern about such a thing but it would not be appropriate to proclaim it as truth without substantial or credible evidence from someone who has knowledge or experience.
I'm sorry if this came off as hostile, I tend to get a bit heated about these topics, just know that I just want to stop the spread of stigma and misinformation about historical clothing, particularly corsetry. 😊
Freudian Slippers My sentiments exactly.
I laugh by myself literally all the time, does that make me special?
No it makes you a real funny gurl.
Same
introverted?
Not so much "special" as "hysterical". I think you need a doctor to "attend to" your problem.
I am doing that too
For a moment there, I thought he was going to say that it became common for women to feign hysteria just so they had a socially acceptable excuse to get fingered. Given how prudish the Victorian era was, God only knows how much sexual tension the typical person had to keep bottled up, so it would make sense if at least a few sly women figured out how to have a good time without being judged for it!
Honestly, that likely IS the case, but it's not very well documented because it wasn't exactly proper for women to admit to wanting and finding sexual pleasure from what was supposed to be just a medical procedure.
Pretty sure that was the subtext.
I was totally thinking along those lines too. I wonder how many well-to-do women were basically having affairs with the family doctor this way. . .
(nods)
"My husband is getting some on the side, so why shouldn't I ?"
They had their own fingers, no need for a doctor.
the same is happening to this day with high heels, it has been proven that it causes harm to a woman's feet and body, but for fashion, and out of tradition and status quo, the proper formal lady attire still includes high heels..
So true but we still wear them. While I don't do it regularly and not for like 2 years after I sprained one of my ankles badly. I can't deny that they make your legs look so pretty that a lot of women are willing to take the risk
I wore high heels as soon as I got in high school. I wore them everywhere up until arthritis took up residence in my left foot 15 yrs after tearing my left acl skiing at age 38. I even wore them in my home while cooking and washing up. Before the arthritis, heels provided no discomfort. Average height was 3 inches. Loved them and miss them.
Some jobs even *require* women to wear high heels!
I hate high heels and will not wear them.
I had a teacher that always wore high heels. She told us how we should never do it because she can't walk without them anymore. She said the tendon in her ankles were ruined and hurt when her feet were flat on the floor.
Subbed. Well presented, interesting and apparently well researched...and you did it in a mature manner which is incredibly refreshing on YT.
This was fun and informative (as usual) thank you! :D
omfg..... people used to make complaints about "You just don't understand if you are not a part of us" rants for so long, not even the format has changed nowadays!
Just goes to show people hardly change.
mode changes
people dont
I am in shock! I am 65 and when I was a teenager my grandmother died. My mother and I helped clear out the house after her death and I found a machine just like the one above. I asked what it was and my mother and Aunts scurried about gathering the box out of my hand, saying that it was an early hairdryer. I always wondered what the fuss was about!!! My grandmother was a great one for "having the vapours" and she retired to her room often. Now I know what she got up to. Pity she hadn't shared her secret with my poor old grandfather who accepted that once the heir and spare had been born, there was a No Entry sign put up. Poor old thing!
isbsey 😂😂😂
😂 Maybe Grandpa’s key had lost its, um, firmness.
Damn..I feel sorry for your old grandfather...
We'll never know now, poor old dear. Some men seemed to just accept this. Once my husband was born his mother put on the barbed wire knickers and his father went along with that. He was never unfaithful and nursed her until her death in their 80s, never complaining, telling everyone he had a wonderful wife and mother to his chldren - which she was. Sex doesn't seem to have been the most important thing in a lot of long lasting marriages, but I think that was in generations before good contraception.
So he just stopped being horny? Yes, right. He found other avenues... believe me.
You make great content brother, thanks for all the great vids.
Where do I apply for the job of hysteria reliever?
Someday, when you grow hair on places than just your head, you will learn the answer.
Job interview........
Job interviewer. Are you a professional?
Me. Uhm...yes a professional....an expert you might say....you might even say I enjoy my job. If I can help even one lady get rid of her hysteria I think my job will have been well worth it.
Job interviewer. Well you seem to be the perfect choice then. Your job starts now..
Me. shouts "YES"
@@bigbill2444 uhh, dude looks like he's 40...
😆
You'd first need a time machine. Wrong century now, unfortunately. :-)
I don't know why people romanticize the Victorian era. It was so screwed up!
Jive Junior And modern times aren't?
spartan70055 OP’s statement did not, in any conceivable manner, imply the current world isn’t screwed up.
Honestly, I like Victorian-era styled CLOTHING that's made modern-day and that's about it. Even so, I wouldn't wear it often and I do use those styles for certain costumes, but... Yeah, you're right. This time was really weird and super screwed up.
uuamenator I'd say it's a big toss up between the two.
Haven't read a bit of history have you! You romanticize contemporary media slop---everything is a copy of a copy of a copy...movies, televisions programs, self-help books, and let's not forget the I.Q. level exhibited by Yahoo /UA-cam comments. The Victorian era was where it was socially approved to improve yourself...they really had no modern conveniences - very uncomfortable so they spent time vocalizing idealism...Freud you know.
Who wouldn't want a fainting chair?
Who wouldn't want a feinting doctor ;)
stanleycoleman a man
Not Rarity, evidently
Today they're more like a hangover chair.
I would rather my chair not fall over from fainting...
3:36
"It is difficult to imagine a slavery more cruel or far-reaching in it's injurious consequences than that imposed by fashion..."
Wait, this was said in 1891?
...When literal slavery was still a thing?
I think it means that authentic slavery is impossed by others and a slave has no choice, whereas the fashion was choosen by the women, and theoretically nobody made them to wear them
19century whalebone corsets for a small waist or Japanese wooden metal screw feet binding for cute tiny holves.Fashion is fun to socialy masquerade but by the end of the night Vanity kills in some way or another..and tight shoes are a mf.
Ever actually worn one? I’ve worn multiples from multiple time periods for theater. Thus still not as much as many layers. I blacked out and had to learn to breath differently. What is positive
What is positive. Good posture.
Slavery was abolished in 1865 you fucking moron.
And don't give me any of that "but people were still treated like slaves and blah blah blah." Bullshit, because that shit still happens to this day.
"It is difficult to imagine a slavery more senseless, cruel or far-reaching in its injurious consequences than that imposed by fashion on civilized womanhood during the last generation." I'm sure there's a number of true slaves that would've eagerly traded places with those women.
I scrolled specifically to see if anyone else caught that LOL
This might be the quintessential instance of white privilege.
Fredster !! I completely agree, damn near gasped..like reallllllly reallllllly now...we couldn't think of anything worse..hmm interesting 🤔
WHITE LIVES MATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@jackuzi8252 yes it did they were doing it for the gratificationation of men
You also forgot to mention that hysteria was never real, and is no longer considered a medical condition/diagnosis. You may assume people would know, or figure this out, but there you would be mistaken...
Today we call it being horny
Bunni Bunns you have not met my friend Melissa. Hysteria is the only way I can think of describing her character
There's a difference between crazy and hysteric. Everyone's got a little bit of crazy in them.
I am pretty sure the video was attempting to describe... "hysteria" ... without using any inappropriate language or be overtly risqué
Hysteria was cause to put women in the psych ward for life, where they would die from the shitty treatment there. It seems silly and like a joke now, but it was very serious and sometimes dangerous to be diagnosed with hysteria. It was also a way for men to keep women down since if your husband, brother or father or even non family members sometime said you had hysteria and wanted you to go to the psych ward you were going and there was no way you could get out of it because they thought women didn't know what the hell they were talking about.
Actually I heard a historian teach that women's corsets actually did provide support for holding babies on their hips, carrying buckets of water, baskets of laundry, and carrying heavy iron kettles.
Arguably, their muscles were so atrophied from relying on the corset that they needed the corsets for support to do those things.
doubtful they were talking about the super-tightly-laced upper-class ladies. they had servants to do all that stuff. for the lower-classes, the support provided by a less-torturous corset would accomplish what that historian suggested.
the N.Ayisha the upperclass corsets weren’t so tortuous. They were quite comfortable due to the fact that it was tailored to their body type. They also wore soft linens beneath as to stop chafing (you know how you wear socks before wearing wellies to stop blisters?). Tight lacing was as common and frequent back as wearing a full latex garment is nowadays. As in, rare and only used as fetish wear.
Ash is also right about the atrophy. The only problem a corset caused was upper body muscular atrophy. And that was due to corsets being worn by women since childhood (which by the way don’t worry child corsets were intended to support rather than give a mature shape)
I've also heard a rather grimmer explanation - that the socially-enforced stunted emotional development of many of the women of the time from higher social classes meant that they reacted in a childlike manner to stress, and that included fainting. Witness the many adult women in Jane Austen's books having temper tantrums and freaking out over the slightest provocation.
I mean... a lot of young women are still being taught to act in a childlike manner to things they don't like, usually in university.
at least they weren't holding witch trials, so then, progress.
While not a psychology text book on the subject Jane Austin does get the idea of how society was at that time with a descent measure of accuracy...that and she is a great author.
Jane Austen wrote parodies. I doubt her books were 100% realistic.
So you mean, exactly like it is today?
If you don't see how women across the board over react in this day an age I am truly baffled by you.
Very informative
It'a ok, ma'am, I'm a hysterologist.
Aj Dembroski ohohohooooo hubba hubba
Hysterology is actually a real thing. It is the study of uterus.
I'm not a hysterologist, but I'll take a look.
Aj Dembroski That's hilarious! U should get a badge made up for it.
I'm not a hysteriaologist, but i did stay at a HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS last night.
didn't husbands find it suspicious at all that doctors who treated 'hysteria' were often doing something that quite resembled what the husband did to the wife when they were making babies? Were there no instincts of "hey there, get off my wife, that's my job damnit!"
They didn't care about the women getting off and didn't even think it was a thing. They knew nothing of the clitoris and thought that only men felt pleasure from sex so I'm pretty sure they didn't do it to their wives
Hajar Mdn even though I already knew this, reading it just made me sad
+Hajar Mdn How quaint that they never thought to ask their wife.
TheRedRaccoonDog quaint is not the word i would use.
There might've been ones who put two and two together and never called the doctor again, instead treating their wives' "hysteria" themselves. We can only assume as people tended to not discuss what went on in the bedroom in those days.
Just saw this one from 3 years back. I love how Simon Whistler manfully strove to (almost) keep a straight face right until (almost) the end. Ah, euphemisms!
"It is hard to imagine a slavery more senseless and cruel than that of fashion."
-19th century, American newspaper
Just putting this out there. A properly fitted, lightly tightened corset is surprisingly comfortable.
And how does it affect your organs and circulatory system? There is a video online of a woman taking a stress test in a corset and the difference was dramatic. Just because you don't feel sick doesn't mean you aren't doing yourself harm. Even Spanx has been shown to increase the number of cases of acid reflux.
That’s good to hear, but I bet people shouldn’t wear them often. I find corsets absolutely beautiful.
Lilly Dragon It's comfortable for walking and standing with a straight back but I struggle sitting longer comfortably in a corset.
Lilly Dragon but they used "tight lacing" back then, which does not sound "lightly tightened" to me.
The problem stems from repeated use. Just like everything else, too much of something will be detrimental to ones health. I put on a corset on occasion and as long as it's not tightly laced it's comfortable and relieves a lot of my back pain.
"hey, u up? my place 4 netflix and hysteria relief?"
very interesting, thanks
This is great! you even linked where original information came from; you are great. I can find new websites for various information.
Spending your days giving the finger to women sounds like an... interesting sort of job lol
Seraph that is until you find out that them wearing all those clothes made the ol front butt, the equivalent version of today's swamp balls.
Seraph it depends how clean they weren't or were
waderz nutz nobody was clean back then my dude
Sure, if you don't mind that they took only one shower per year.
How good it would have been to relieve some hysteria from 4 or 5 80 year old ladies in the morning.
With their organs being misplaced and reshaped over time is it no wonder death at child birth was so common.
No idea if tight lacing had really any effect on that, but regardless if women wore corsets or not, death by birth was common in general in all eras and cultures around the globe before modern medicine and hygiene standards.
Doctors and midwifes then didn't know they had to disinfect and wash their hands and instruments after every operation or birth. Not only mother and child but even the medical staff was in constant danger, as it wasn't rare to catch a deadly infection through contact with body fluids of sick patients or corpses.
cptkilgore it's still common 😒
nigga child birth is not common
Hoovy - Is it necessary to use racist terminology?
Hoovy Not in the developed world, but a large chunk of the world, most of it in fact, doesn't follow the same health standards you'll find in Europe, the US, Japan, Canada, etc.
I laugh more often when alone. I have always been self-conscious of my laughter and so rarely really let it out around others.
I am HYSTERICAL with laughter after the second half of this video. THANK YOU FOR THAT! I had better call the doctor so he can "relieve" my symptoms.....
i can honestly say ive never had a cramped hand after "releiving a woman of her hysteria" lololol
But what if you had 10 "clients" lined up back to back on a single day! ;-)
i sir accept that challenge :) and keep up the great work
they've lined up and they all look like dolly parton xD
I've been known to get a sore jaw but it's worth it to see such grateful patients.
You evidently haven't done it for long enough.
found one of these in grandmas basement... lol she was always calm
It might be worth something!
hahahahaha please oh god no.
Did she let you use it?
IP0T - well _you_ managed to take it to the next level.
My grandmother was so old school. Hers had a hand crank.
Oh no! Now my partner is telling me that batteries for her Rampant Rabbit,should be available on prescription.🤣🤣
Nice video.
I just assumed it was a socially acceptable way to fuck off from a conversation or situation 😂
Mari Wright I mean, they probably did it for that reason too. The socially acceptable way of saying "you're annoying I don't wanna deal with you right now" lol
Mari Wright
Well you pretty much said it in exactly the correct format and explanation, but to reword the same words you used, they wanted to get out of a conversation and told the doctor to get her off to remove her bordom and clear her airways, so she could be socially acceptable, you know because one had to be polite when excusing themselves from company because they liked the company of a doctor more than the company of their husband....lmbo!!!
They were effing off while removing themselves in a polite manner from a conversation to call their secret crush to come over and take care of the fact they were "in heat" you know being the middle of summer and all!!! But all the while forgetting to tell the good doctor they were in love with him and not their husband!!! Lmbo!!!!
Mari
I think there might have been raised eye brows had you couched in those terms but other than that........ I might just try now...
Would it work for a male as well?
I just makes sooooooo much sense.
Mari Wright "fuck off" double entendre. XD
+Mari - On a lot of occasions it was. Not all ladies "retired in a faint" to relieve themselves sexually. Most would come to, loosen themselves slightly, and breathe a sigh of relief to have gotten out of a boring or awkward situation. It wasn't socially acceptable, however, to do it too often, or at a time that would be embarrassing to her husband's social or financial standing - like in front of important people, and certainly never in front of any of the Royal Family however lowly. That was their prerogative lol
more likely everybody laughs while they're alone but nobody would know about it.
Cayanna P it's like that old saying. If a tree falls in the woods on a person laughing and no one's around do you hear the person screaming from the tree falling on them while they were laughing.? I mean that's the way that my grandmother told that one to me right before bed.
I laugh when I'm alone
I laugh by myself all the fkng time!!! And especially in response to humor. I love watching Stand Up videos, among many, many other topics.
3:35 - Chicago Tribune 1891 article:"It is difficult to imagine a slavery more senseless, cruel or far-reaching in its injurious consequences that imposed by fashion on civilized womanhood during the last generation."
Every Black person in America in 1891: "Is it really? Can't think of any other examples? Really?!?"
Well, as much as I hate to say it, that was technically not senseless. It had a purpose. Just like using a gun to clear a room by shooting everyone. It fucking works, but you should be hanged for what you did. That said, lacing was the same in terms of sense. It has a purpose, but hanged, again
So, "fainting rooms" and "fainting couches" (basically chaise lounges) were totally a thing. You know you have a problem when you have to have a whole room dedicated to caring for the side effects of your fashion choices.
The entire idea of corseting makes me legitimately sick to my stomach. Honestly the damage that can be done to feet by high heels does too.
Indeed. My grandmother forced my mother to use high heels and now her feet have been bad (they got a bit better recently) for decades.
Chris agh tf is with women
More like tf is wrong with society really
ever read about chinese foot binding?
my mom loves high heels and wears them a lot so now when she wears flats for too long her feet and back start to hurt
Very intresting.
I'd be fainting and hysterical all day....massage away doctor.
I wonder if there were women who were receiving “preventative care” 😎
ღ ღ teeheehee!
Its known, that some doctors are even trying this today...its nothing more than rape.
TheHoustonSkeptic That could be said about men today, as well.
giggety
Justin Martyr you say this but you are white
I thought they fainted because they were over dramatic.
Oink ards they couldn't breathe. people back then were pretty dumb. Corsets' aren't supposed to be laced up so tight, to where you can't breathe.
Oink ards In the video it states that in some cases they pretended to faint to show that they're delicate so I guess that classifies as being overdramatic
Now today, people are dumb, when I mean that, I mean that hospitals are too cautious to allow younger people to be screened for certain cancers.
- They're afraid to be sued if: A colonoscopy scratches or ruptures the colon
- Doctors are scientist, they forget that they need to be curious and interest in such findings or possibility that this young adult has, "an old fart cancer"
Using short cuts(auto functions) to do critical thinking for you, example:
- Cashiers rely too heavily on computer calculations when dealing with change, when they enter the cash in, then a customer then brings up 5 cents to add to the payment, the cashier is dumb founded.
- We need to remember how functions work, rather than have it do things for us, it may look like we know what we're doing, but when something happens, we look like an idiot underneath a smart ass mask.
Now today, people are dumb, when I mean that, I mean that hospitals are too cautious to allow younger people to be screened for certain cancers.
- They're afraid to be sued if: A colonoscopy scratches or ruptures the colon
- Doctors are scientist, they forget that they need to be curious and interest in such findings or possibility that this young adult has, "an old fart cancer"
Using short cuts(auto functions) to do critical thinking for you, example:
- Cashiers rely too heavily on computer calculations when dealing with change, when they enter the cash in, then a customer then brings up 5 cents to add to the payment, the cashier is dumb founded.
- We need to remember how functions work, rather than have it do things for us, it may look like we know what we're doing, but when something happens, we look like an idiot underneath a smart ass mask.
Woman are just as dramatic as today. It’s kind of sexist to think that. It was probably a combination of all of his points in this video that woman fainted so much. The knowledge back then was much so limited than today
Good video
Very interesting
I would also like to add one more reason...it could've also been the opium, heroin, or laudanum that they took for everything back then.
dont forget cocaine !!!!....
Autumn Mille
The things they do for vanity..
Cocaine was in Coca Cola until early 1900
I don't think too many women were drug sniffin', opiod syrup carrying sluts back then. Not like the Little pigs of today. But they'd like you to believe that now wouldn't they, chums?
You didn't mention laudinum, the alcoholic medicine of the time containing 10% opium, that was used for basically any illness from coughing to headaches.
Yup...not to forget Coca Cola....with extract from the coca plant. It also contained alcohol back then. So people got high and drunk from that stuff that was sold as an all-round medicine.
Mr Remakes & Kalle Klæp :
The thing is, drug addiction and abuse did not exist in the socio-sphere of that time. Scientific ideas & medical opinions on the topics were laughed off. Just so incredibly interesting.
I'd say people and science were more careless back then. Even Heroin was sold without a prescription and seen as rather harmless. I've read about it was used in cough medicine for children...that's just hilarious.No one questioned that kind of high-risk drugs..a few tests were done..and that's it. Nowadays they seem almost too paranoid on some stuff, but ok ..it's better than beeing careless.
Yes, and opiates are known to cause shortness of breath which could contribute to the problem.
Weird how coke and heroin were given out back in the day but you would only hear about alcoholics.
Now that coke and heroin is illegal so many people are addicts.
Were there not a lot of people addicted to it back in the day?
Your pronounciation of controversy is pretty interesting
Very very interesting
It's amazing how clueless the Victorian era was. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you restrict the rib cage you can't breathe well, and if you can't breathe wall, you can faint! Thank god that fashion fad fell by the way side. some women still wear them today, but personally, I like breathing as much as I need to.
The Victorian was a dark sexist and ageist era for humanity and we may learn from there mistakes and use our fucking brains.
OK, hold on because today's version is women nicking and cutting their "down below region" to shave it because that's the style today even though there are reports of infections and other health problems associated with bacteria from human waste that wouldn't be present when shaving underarms or legs. Women and body morphing, it never changes.
Some people currently believe that being fat is healthy.Every age has clueless people, the only difference is that we get to see each kind more easily thanks to internet.
"It's amazing how clueless the Victorian era was"
And two hundred years from now people will say the exact same thing about our time.
Dave Casey Not really we live an an age were we actually use our brains.
I faint often and no one got me off.
Penguin Love, It's like PC gaming sooner or later what you have doesn't cut it anymore and you want to upgrade.
Maybe one day
Comment threads like this make me happy I clicked the click bait.
Malign Eldritch Abomination, Glad I made you laugh.
Paladin Boyd i HAD TO CHECK THESE REPLIES!!!
Done with a straight face... Bravo Simon lol
Tight lacing actually wasn’t as common as believed, it happened but very rarely, often times they used additional undergarments to build upon their bust and hips causing their waists to look smaller
that scrolling text made me uncomfortable
Agreed. I kept thinking it would scroll off before he finished. Maybe static text block flips would be better.
I hated it so much
Charlie D omg me too😂😂
same! And then I read it faster than his talking so I have to wait for him to finish saying what I had already read 10 seconds ago.
I nearly fainted
"Costs less than Imitators" pardon me, but isn't THAT the imitator? ;)
Phew! I thought those words would disappear to the top before he read them but he did it 👍great job!
7:15 “People rarely laugh when by themselves”… ?! Whoever said this can not have asked any Norwegians.
Whoever did the study must be deadly boring. I laugh all the time by myself. I have thought of funny things and have laughed myself to tears. So, no I don't believe that study...
That's really just a poorly worded sentence.
The point isn't that people don't laugh when there alone. The point is that people rarely make themselves laugh.
It's kind of like how it's physically impossible to tickle yourself.
This also why it's generally considered lame to laugh at your own jokes.
@@GeneralNickles, I agree that this is not how a lot of people behave, but there are those of us that live a little bit outside the box. We are not insane, but we do have a very active imagination. I absolutely hate to be bored. Kind of like how some people can't stand a picture on the wall that is crooked. They have to realign it or it makes them crazy. While I love being around people, I am equally happy by myself and entertain myself frequently by creating stories, telling jokes, and even acting out scenes from movies. Fortunately, I do these things in my own home, so it is not on display for the rest of the world. As for how often I do this...every day, so it is not something that rarely happens. Do my friends know I do this? Most of my friends already know I am a bit "out there", and so this fact would probably not surprise them. While, I don't hide it, I don't do this in public. People have similar needs, but their personalities are very different. That is what makes the world an interesting place. If we were all exactly the same, think of how boring it would be. While I do not believe this is 100% accurate, this website below is something you may want to examine. www.16personalities.com. I am an ENFP. Don't let this scare you, we only account for like 7% of the world's population.
I keep getting anxiety when he talks and the words scroll up the screen, like talk faster don’t let the words go off the screen before you say them! Ah! Then he barley says it in time as the last word goes off.
Co Richards Sounds like you're... Hysteric about it...
I have this great doctor who could help you with that!
XD omg same, every fkin time.
Is this doctor good at fingering?
Someone please meat me in my fainting room!
fixed
Co Richards me too! I thought it was just me. the closer words got to the top of the screen, the more anxious i would get! I couldn't even concentrate on what he was saying even tho i was reading along.
"People rarely laugh by themselves". I'd like to see a citation for that, because I doubt the validity of that. If it is true, then that's very sad. If most people are living sad and depressing lives, that can't be good for the world. I often laugh aloud while by myself, usually while watching or listening to something funny, but I will occasionally laugh just from thinking about something funny. And I'm sure this goes from a lot of people, but if I am wrong, then let me know.
I don't laugh when alone nearly as much as I do with other people. I'll laugh even if I don't find a joke funny if other people are laughing.
awesomeferret I laugh too while by myself. I also talk to myself too.
awesomeferret seriously I laugh a lot all be my self alone.
I can just be daydreaming while trying to sleep and then start laughing from something I remembered. There's no one around of course...and last night I found a freaking hilarious video and laughed loudly all by myself. My brother also laughs loudly all by himself quite frequently, every single night. So yeah I do question the validity of that study.
Well let's start off with the fact that some are more blissfully happy than others by nature. Regardless, there is overwhelming data suggesting that laughter is mostly associated with social communication (in many species) so wouldn't necessarily be natural in solitude.
Interesting, that feinting room is :D
Tightly laced corsets causing problems is almost like a myth. They were probably wore by women equivalent to those modern ones who do so many plastic surgeries they barely look human.
If anyone wants to know real historical facts about corsets, from experts, watch some videos from Karolina Żebrowska
or Bernadette Banner.
Usually don't like this type of accent but you have a really nice speaking voice.. Thanks for info
Not my proudest relief of hysteria.
ALTON PLAYS wank??
that moments your comment has 69 upvotes, legendary.
jules smit the sex number, nice
Well memed
They were not filled with actual whale bone but with whale baleen, which is far more flexable. Cheaper versions usually used reeds, and a piece of wood in the center
Boy did this video take an unexpected turn 😂😂😂
Fashion historians actually say tight lacing was not very common. Corsets were basic foundation garments tailored to the shape of the wearer's body and provided support for the heavy layers of skirts and dresses. The tiny waists were an illusion created by padding in the bust and things like bustles and petticoats.
wait..
this is not Vsause..
AnnieMations Vsauce is kind of like philosophy. This guy is trivia.
*hey*
AnnieMations *its vsauce*
4:25 Oh, it was about fainting, not corsets. I forgot
Wearing a corset, especially done up restrictively, keeps bodily fluids like blood in the upper part of the body. If you lose oxygen from the brain, you can easily faint, because it is how the body keeps the brain supplied with oxygen when blood pressure to the brain drops. Keeping your head lower to the ground allows blood to flow to the brain and prevent hypoxia.
This might easily be the reason corsets were done up so tightly, to keep the brain supplied well with oxygen. The tighter the corset, the more blood flow to the brain.
And you can bet that sexual stimulation can cause blood pressure to rise.
And as far as menstrual blood, there were already methods to take care of that. Otherwise you would be out of the public eye for a week a month. The common woman could not afford to be out of commission for a quarter of her life. She had to work like the men did.
Priceless education!
Oh lord of the recommended page, what strange places have you taken me to at 2am?
Hmm, does this mean that I should be able to get my medical insurance to cover certain... personal care items? :D
Kat K I wish!
FAINT FROM WEIGHT , HEAT, AND TIGHTNESS THEIR POOR BODIES GLAD I WAS BORN IN 20TH CENTURY
Trent Ladson agreed
Trent Ladson guys what if 300 years from now people are like thank GOD i wasnt born in the 20th century... That was an insane time no one now could live through
Trent Ladson 21st dumbass
RIGHT, BUT I WON'T CALL YOU OUT OF YOUR NAME. GOD BLESS
KpopManiac4Life You might be the dumbass. Unless a person was born after the year 2000 it's 20th century not 21st. 20th century= 1901-2000. Not everyone is a millennial, kiddo.
3:15 next time i get into an argument imma just use this but replace "tight lace" with whatever im arguing for
I watched a documentary about this once. A young lady going to her doctors office to attended too this way. Seemed to be set in modern times though. It was very informative showing the practice in great detail.