When Did Teen Girls Stop Commonly Getting Married?
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In the Western world (and generally speaking) before imperial Rome, girls were deemed sufficiently mature for marriage and sex when they first started menstruation (and boys, by the way, when they developed pubic hair). Marriage was relatively unregulated by the state then, and instead was seen as a private family matter, so it is presumed these boundaries were flexible.
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Why haven't you mentioned Hajnal line?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajnal_line
Given that at the time of Rome the median age of death was 26 ish so the low age of consent is in context
My grandma and great grandma were both 16 when they were married
@@nataliewisdom4790 my grandmother was younger and grandfather was older
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Reckless Roges wowfam 😂
@@recklessroges I'm baked and that just blew my fucking mind bro. I never thought of it like that lol
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No joke, my grandparents got married when my grandma was 17 and my grandad was 29. He had to lie to her parents that he was 21. This was in 1948 three years after my grandad nearly died in WW2. His entire platoon was killed and the only reason he didn't die was because he was playing dead. He got a german bayonet in the back for his trouble. Spent the rest of the war learning how to knit on the French Riviera.
Sam Lucas 3 years after 1948?
Sam Lucas Your grandpa has an awesome story.
I agree with winterwolf211
Sam Lucas Lovely story friend. Someone needs to make it into a movie or at least a memoir or adventure novel.
If your grandma's feet got cold, grampa could whip up some warm booties for her.
I’m glad Simeon hit in the 50% divorce myth.
College degrees, sharing the same faith, and age all play big roles in reducing the number too.
He's so right!
When researching my own family's genealogy I hit upon many things that dumped my impression if the world that my fore-mothers lived in on its head.
I was told that women were married off young, but I found that ALL of my female ancestors from the mid-1700's on didn't marry until they were at least 22. 28 was the oldest first marriage that I could find.
I was told that women couldn't own property, but I have a long line of business owners, shop owners, and landlords to prove otherwise. They were working, saving and investing long before they said 'I do.'
Women couldn't open savings accounts without their husband's permission? Then how did all of these women have accounts and manage their affairs long before they were married? They weren't living with their parents. Census records prove that.
Contrary to the idea that women were considered their husband's chattel, these women kept all of their property and investments as their own personal property after they were married and their husbands had NO power to touch it. (This confirms what my great-aunt told me about being a 'wise' woman.)
Going back more than 200 years, I didn't find one illiterate ancestor.
They weren't rich people, but the women were smart and thrifty. They worked for security and never invested more than they could afford to lose. They were independent and opinionated and they worked. They didn't get married until they'd established themselves and had a nest egg of their own.
The Boomer women of my mother's generation were the ones who got married as teenagers and that's when everything went to hell.
Women didn't have LEGAL rights, but socially they had more rights than men and always have. Men are disposable women aren't that's why no society sends women to die in battle. The changes towards defacto equality are much more recent and happiness ratings on all sides have decreased over all. Most of the women in my family every generation run some sort of business or another, though before the 1900's everyone just sewed clothes, had children, and taught them calculus, or medicine. The men in the family joined the military, or govt, or did lots of sports. So there was a difference in freedoms of course. But the women weren't mistreated or disrespected as subhuman or wot not. Just different roles in a different time.
Equality has changed in meaning over the years, in the past we were all equal in our different ways, now a days we must be the same or else you're a bigot etc etc.
Generic Scout
Equality doesn't mean we are the same people...rather it means we have the same rights to opportunities and respect.
Some women aimed for World Domination destroying what women used to stand for. We are the Caregiver the world is already have short and the comfort of women makes everything worth it. Now girls are Dishonored when they care more than men.
I have put a lot of thought into how my relationship is structured, as i am actually quite content with male female gender norms (i wont make that decision for others, but i can make it for myself) The problem is the reason men support women is because they raise their children. I have health and pain issues that would be unfair to pass on so i don't intend to breed. As someone who has one fur baby (a rottweiler) but no human children, why should a man take care of me financially? So in my 7 year relationship i have financially supported myself, will never get legally married, and have no rights to my partners money or stuff. (which is all fair) The problem is as the woman, i still do all the women's work (cooking cleaning, buying groceries, laundry, vacuuming, cleaning bathrooms, gardening, yard work, etc..) So as a female i financially support myself and do ALL of the housework. My only expectation was that the home repairs would be handled by the man. Yet every time the roof leaks, Toilet breaks, stairs need to be repaired, he hands me tools and says "figure it out" I think he's somewhat of a feminist in expecting me to do mens work. I just thought women either worked outside of the home, or worked inside of the home, i dont know how many women do both or what is socially acceptable in that department. I was always raised that women did the housework. Yet i also believe it would be wrong to be with a man for his money or have financial expectations. but with my health issues it's literally killing me to do both. I keep hearing about how women were happier working at home, but than men complaining about how all women are gold diggers. Is It even possible to find a middleground or do the two just not get along?
NymphetaminexXxGrrrl Many women do both work and housework. Tell your partner that you can’t handle everything because of your health issues. And I have never heard that women are happier as housewives. The housewives I see get very bored, and either end up cheating or investing their time in questionable hobbies.
"Menestration"? 00:31 :D
Zolpi 😂😂
It sounded like he was naming a pasta. lol
Don't try this at home, kids, I'm a professional. ;-)
Menestration: the processing making Minestrone soup.
Ohhh, that makes more sense! 😆
Oh, so girls were mature enough for marriage when they learned to make this soup! Thanks for clearing that up! :D
Grandma was 16 when Grandpa met her, and he told his best friend, "That's the girl I'm gonna marry." He was 26. They were chaperoned when he started courting her, but when she was 18 they got married and got to be alone together. . . .for 9 months. They had 3 kids, 8 grandchildren, and were together 52 years. Long after Grandpa died, Grandma once reminisced about the day they met. "He was so-o-o handsome!" she said, beaming.
Mark T. Aww that's so sweet. :)
@Mercuri
Today's society is so sensitive you can't even make dark jokes without getting criticized
@@nevik9199 Don't get mad if my 18-year-old daughter wants to marry a polite and respectful 28-year-old churchgoing man with a steady job, like my grandpa? OK, I won't.
Looking at the birth and marriage certificates of my family going back a few generations it would appear that premature births run in the family... How else could so many of them been born five or six months after the wedding? :-D
My aunt was 14 and my uncle was (I believe) 19. They "dated" at her house when her parents were home. He'd go over for dinner several nights a week and then they'd watch tv. Still together 50 years later.
On December 21, 1968 a young woman, aged 17, and a young man, aged 21 exchanged vows. We are now 66 and 70 years old, and still married.
Kudos to you and your wife sir! My parents have been married for 44 years, they were 23 and 26.
Thank you. It's all to God's glory.
Happily married, I hope.
So I'm told. Ü
Congratulations heavy weights! We're middle weights. My husband and I were 19 when we met at a bar in Northern Michigan. We wed 6 months later, no engagement, no rings. We've been married 38 years now. We will remain so till the day we die, happy and loving life together.
We had 3 boys 4 yrs apart starting at 26 yrs. It's been a great 38 yrs.
How about a show on how averages work? Seems whenever you include averages, people can't help themselves from pointing out how they fall outside of the average.
Meanwhile, it takes above, at, and below to make an average.
Personally, I never do that! No, wait...
There is Mean,Median and Mode.Basic mathematics.
Issac 313 what about the geometric mean?
Oftentimes averages aren't really a good representation... Averages mostly work well if, about people at least, if the persons in the sample size are fairly similar. So, the average income of the middle class is a far better representation of a middle class citizen than the average income of everyone (because extremes "damage" the statistic). Of course, mathematically speaking, an average is always correct. However, we use averages for other purposes than just to find out the average. Averages can be very useful, but also very misleading. Let's say, you look at a mormon village. You get an average of 8 children per family. This is failry accurate for this mormon village. But then you declare this is accurate for the whole area surrounding the village. This is what happens a lot: averages taken out of the exact context and misused (oftentimes by articles who say "a study found....)
14 year-old marries a 74 year-old rich guy. Sure it will be a hard 2 years, but once he's moved on, at least she'll be be a wealthy widow.
Maskedduelist 13 a "hard" two years LOL
Then he leaves everything for his kids and she's left out of the will.
Maskedduelist 13 Unless he lives 20 or 30 years more like rich dudes that can afford the best medical care are sometimes known to do.
Maskedduelist 13 that depends on the time period. During Middle Ages women had no rights to inheritance not the wife nor the daughters all went to the sons or brothers
Oh no, she's gonna be 16 or 17, her parents or a lawyer can still claim her unfit to manage the fortune and snatch all the money from her. Has happened to an orphaned kid in Brazil, the son of a wealthy businessman who died (along the mother, if I recall it correctly) died on an accident. His father's lawyer and best friend was designated on the father's will to be the financial tutor of his not small heritage. When the boy reached 18 and requested the money to go to college, surprise surprise... He had ZERO on his name. No properties, no money, not a penny.
On another case, this time here in Portugal, the parents were the ones who got away with the kid's money. He was a star kid who performed as singer and child artist since 12 yo, skipping school altogether to help to raise his siblings. He became the breadwinner of the family, with his parents managing his career and account. When he reached 18 and asked for his money, the parents simply left him - and his 5 or 6 other siblings! - with nothing and ran away to London. When the Justice officials found them, they had simply spent all the money to restart their life anew.
Speaking about the declining divorce rate, the only reason the divorce rate spiked so high in the first place was because of the introduction of the no-fault divorce in the late 20th century. Before that time, at least in the US, the only way to obtain a divorce was to prove that your spouse was guilty (or "guilty") of some sort of wrongdoing. Some couples did just that, staging events so that they wife would come home "unexpectedly" to find her husband in bed with another woman, so both could testify in court that that's what happened. Some spouses didn't go that far, and would perjure themselves in court claiming that their spouse was abusive or the like. But both those methods were pretty desperate, and most couples just stuck it out and remained unhappily married. Then, when no-fault divorce became available, and all you had to do was go to the judge and announce that you didn't want to be married anymore to obtain a divorce, suddenly all those people rushed to the courthouse to do just that. For a few decades, divorce rates shot through the roof, before evening out.
Caitie Foster Worth knowing that at the time, there was no way for any two people who were married to be deemed to not be able to not give consent to sex. I guess technically some women might have used that for their own purposes, but most often it was used to defend marital rape. We thankfully got rid of that idea, although somehow there are still some people who didn't get the message.
Sound very simplistic because no it seems everything was men's fault. There were many men unhappy about the marriage as well. The more late you will marry the higher you would have chance to get divorced because when you are 30 yourd mindset is conclusionary and that's why you can't live with another 30 plus because it's hard to change or adapt for a relationship and learn new ropes.
Caitie so somehow things are not so simple and carefree. Spouses, usually the female, takes the divorce to court and takes the guy to the cleaners - getting half his worth and a high alimony.
@@stephenpowstinger733 Ha! Tell that to my mom. She got nothing but the kids and he didn't even bother paying child support most of the time!
That shit is only true for people with money. Poor people can't afford good lawyers, or sometimes any lawyers, so women get shafted a lot. They might be more likely to get the kids, but that isn't always a benefit, especially when they get them by default because the dad doesn't want them.
I don't think you can entirely just blame the fact that you can as the reason. Generally speaking, most children reach sexual maturity with boys mostly having nonexistent ideas of what a real relationship is & girls usually having disfunctional ideas of what a real relationship is. Sometimes, they keep forcing this narrative in their minds, no matter what, & then when things don't work out for one or the other, they either reach a breaking point where they will kill this person if they don't get away from them, or they become bitter, or desperate to recapture what they believed a relationship was supposed to be before. Of course, that's assuming they never grew the fuck up prior to their first marriage in the first place.
Menústation, when a young woman gets her menu
Barf..😧
@J Bones I've got a better idea it's a really New Concept; it's Fab, it's trendy, it's gnarly, it's the hottest latest thing. It's called freedom of choice! It's called Liberty! I've got a really interesting idea that's going to make your smartphone look like a stone age tool, why not let people decide for themselves instead of you deciding for them?
You know you're going to be a hell of a lot happier when you stop trying to control the world. Maybe one day you will decide to realize that people have the self-evident an unalienable right to be responsible. Because responsible, personal responsibility amount to Freedom. Stop confusing responsibility with power and control over others and understand the Stark reality that it is a god-given right synonymous with Liberty. What a concept huh?
@@prodigalson6166 you are influenced by your neighborhood, you are influenced by your government, your are influenced by corporations, analytic information on you is sold and bought as a commodity in a market for influence and the best you have come up with is refusing your influence on those you hold dearest to you. Well done american.
@@90hijacked YOU are a slave, if you think your influences control you. You are a fool if you believe the tripe that you don't have free will.
@@prodigalson6166 actually there is no such thing as freewill, it is literally impossible.
The decline in divorce rate is relative to the amount of individuals in the younger generations deciding to hold off marriage as long as possible or not get married at all..
JP Productions there's evidence against that. It's likely more to do with loosened divorce laws like no fault and changing societal perceptions
Too many had their parents' generation marry young and divorce while they were still kids. Wiser to wait until you've established yourself a bit, I think.
The decline is also result of not having a large number of people in need of a divorce but unable to get one. As the laws changed many people in bad marriages that they couldn't get out of suddenly got a way out and took it, causing a spike. It is like opening the flood gates of a dam. There is a lot coming out at first because of the backlog but once that is clear the flow slows way down.
+gam mal Where the fuck do you get 50%? At its peak, the divorce rate was 40%, and has been dropping ever since.
@Mega www.apa.org/topics/divorce/
Clearly says 50% right now. And data from some regions shows it's 90% - 85% for mostly blacks. Then there's the fact that people who divorce generally do so again, and their children do also so some communities might be unaffected while others are driving the statistics. Same thing for child abuse, the abused become abusers growing up more often than not like 85%.
And the drop as mentioned before is mostly from people being more picky and selective before getting married. Generally I see it as the society that gets married like the White fundamentalists still do. And they don't divorce. While the mainstream in society has stopped getting married thus the overall divorce rates have dropped because only the ones who stay together get married relatively speaking. Eitherway it's mostly hookup culture and fuck buddies now. If you've gotten laid and aren't still together then you're part of it too.
So you’re saying that it _wasn’t_ common for 14 year old girls to be married in the middle ages, interesting *side eyes that one creep we all know*
It all depends on class. When lower class people (most of the population) wanted to marry, they had to wait until they could support a family, and that meant working until they had a nest egg, which meant they would no longer be teenagers. There were stupid people who didn't take that precaution, but that often ended in tragedy.
Muhammad married a six year old. Gave her regular baths and then copulaited at age 9.
@@EasytheGoon eww
@@edennis3202 lower class people did not wait until they could "support a family." Barely anyone could support a family throughout Middle Ages' lower classes. Families lived together for very long time and nobody "moved out." If people wanted to marry, they went and married, and then "moved in" with their parents.
@ sam dragonborn - '' side eyes that one creep we all know ' , lol , noone else has asked so whom ?
I was in NC when a friend told me "around here we go by weight not age".
Could you do a video about the Habsburgs? Like about the still living ones, or about the true scale of their power?
Diana Pristavu rip Otto
Hohenzollern pls
That sounds like a conspiracy theories.
gread idea
Too many Ottos. I got confused by Otto II count of Habsburg and Otto II Holy Roman Emperor who's father was Otto I of Saxony. Also, there was Otto III son of Otto II. Different houses.
Good heavens, even tho I was bleeding at 12, sure as hell wasn't ready for sex and marriage.
Polleej your body is not sexually mature till 15. Even then it's still messed up.
In general, your ancestors would have agreed with you. But, if you'd decided you wanted to have sex anyway, they would have preferred you did it as part of a marriage.
It's important to understand though that by age 10, 50% of children would have lost one parent and 25% would have lost both. Thus, for a girl of age 12 in a lower income family, it would have been important to find employment by age 10 in some fashion so as to be able to economically support yourself as soon as possible. All those fairy tales about wicked step-parents very much are about the consequences of not being able to support yourself, and for a girl facing a situation like that marriage was incredible escape hatch as the father of your children was vastly more likely to be kind to you than a step-parent who saw you as an obstacle to the success of their own offspring.
@qwdfvbtyhjm iklkjuy Well thats a factor I forgot to take into account.
@qwdfvbtyhjm iklkjuy Nah its okay u weren't sounding angry.
AFAIK even the reports we have on noble girls who got married at that age didn't actually start having babies until they were about 18. The first Black Adder season was actually surprisingly accurate in that regard.
Just anecdotal evidence of one of the outliers. My great grandmother, a farm girl in Ohio, was married at 14. She had her first kid at 16, was a grandmother before she was 45, and great grandmother before 65. By the time she died in her 90's one of her great granddaughters was pregnant with her first great great granddaughter. She was 2 months away from delivery. Many family members often opine, that it was a shame she didn't hold on for a couple of months, cause everyone wanted to have a family photo with 5 generations of women. She had 12 children 10 reached adulthood. My grandfather, one of the youngest surviving, had the fewest number of children, three. My mother has 45 first cousins.
She sounds like a walking environmental disaster.
p0llenp0ny Eh, they didn't know back then. And at that time you needed a big family the keep the farm going. And while most of her kids and big families, many her grand kids and great grand kids aren't even having any children. My aunt didn't, my uncle adopted, many of their cousins pursued careers instead of families. It's almost like a microcosm of the American birthrate for the last 100 years lol
TheCyberwoman We have had 5 generations living for 16 years now with only one of those being a teen mom. And that was my own mother, so not a "cultural norm" sort of thing. So counting living biological children, a woman born in the early 20s has 2 children, 5 grandchildren, 2 great grandchildren (so far) and 9 great great grandchildren (so far).
It's not an outlier story actually, rural families typically married super young to help expand the family. Even just 6 or 7 generations ago. Girls as young as 12 were married off in the rural community to add 1 more hand to the farm, and so she could be turned into a farmhand factory. This element to the video was largely glossed over. Before farming equipment that could plow and entire field with one person in a single day this was how farm owners produced.
Wow!
People getting married in 1950 were not baby boomers. That generation was just starting and they were small children at the time.
Yeah those would have been the parents of the baby boomers. I don't know what the proper term for that generation is but "greatest generation" is common.
"Silent Generation" is one term I heard.
I thought he said "baby boomer parents" So I figured it was just a misspeak.
I thought they are called WWII generation.
Yeah, I picked up on that too. Baby boomers were born in the years following WWII, so they were very small children, or not even born yet in 1950
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Husband and I are only getting married now at the ripe young age of 36 and 34. Weddings are just so expensive and really, who needs those kinds of expensive just to have a massive party when you are just starting out? We are using our wedding as a giant family reunion at a nearby lake.
Larima Tolaganon
Please don't circumcise an kids you may have. It's cruel.
Larima Tolaganon Using your weeding as an occasion for a family reunion is very nice!
Two people from my school had plastic cups, and plastic rings when getting married. They spent like 80 bucks.
Larima Tolaganon Did you know that people in the early 1900's wore their Sunday best when getting married. It was only the rich who bought a dress they'd only wear once. It was seen as impractical to buy something that expensive you'd only use once. Same goes for wedding rings too. And family and friends would be involved with the decorating and food for the reception afterwards. If people went back to doing that, there'd be more marriages.
Are you planning on getting children?? If so, you should do so as soon as possible, bc once you hit mid 30s and getting on to your 40s there's an increased chance your children can be born with birth defects. And the risk rate increases exponentially. Has to do with how the eggs in a woman start to deteriorate in fitness...
My aunt got married at 16 and was married for over 50 years until my uncle died.
Ian K T Graham my grandma got married 18 and my grandpa was 32 also stayed 55years until he died
19 grandma and 32 grandpa.
Eastern Europe is a different story.
@@stephaniebaca7529 did she even have the option to leave him to begin with?
I feel like looking at the average age for anything is somewhat screwy when it comes to humans since the REALLY old and really young tend to skew these numbers so as to not be an accurate representation of age for any given property. For example there is this running notion that people commonly only lived to their 40s and the middle ages when infact if you discount infant deaths the age actually jumps to 60 or so. Infant mortality was stupidly high back in the day.
I cannot imagine that marriage at 25 is a new thing and so to bring the average age down to 19 you would need a fairly large group of sub 19 year old marriages to balance it out.
*cough* Islam *cough*
In response to some comments below-
I suspect that this video only talked about western marriages for the following reasons; The first being the availability of data and studies on the topic, the second being the general audience of these videos living in the western world, and the third being the sensitivity of religious/political relationships with marriage in other areas.
Also, the switch between median and mean throughout the video is most likely coming directly from studies. Whatever the studies decided to base their findings on is what the TIFO team had to work with. Hundreds of historical studies are bound to use different measures.
well you are corect about that after a bit of research i found the Hajmal line and yes in the E thee adg age is much lower
My grandparents were both teens when they got married, my grandpa was 17 and my grandma was 14, they had my mom two years later, and my aunt the year after that, this was in the 70's
My grandmother got married at 15 grandfather was 18. This was at least 80 years ago. It was not common for girls that young to get married but it wasn't frowned upon.
Modern society does alot of things that are counter intuitive to success. Which is why people are stratified and unhappy. With the highest suicide rates in a long time. Honestly having the law dictate this or that is just limiting potential. There should be more emphasis on programs to help younger people join the workforce at younger ages or to better associate within the environment to make money. Everyone pushes off mairriage until their 40's because that's how long it takes for a good career. Any other work related program that doesn't fix this so by the time you're 20 you can become a PH'D'd Engineer is broken.
Generic Scout
Higher suicide rates are perhaps the result of a more corporate society and reliance on technology Wich limits social interaction and the time we spend outside. Not a result of people marrying at an older age
Similar to my grandparents... grandma was 15 grandpa was 27. They got married because grandpa was getting shipped off to WWII and wanted grandma to get benefits if he died in war.
Generic Scout There’s nothing bad about getting married at 40
@@phreak1118 when i see this kind of examples i can't help but think about how creepy is a grown man of 27 , closer to his 30's than to his 20's, being interested like that in a 15 year old teen girl. he is almots double her age.
SUPER fascinating one! Thanks for taking the time to make all these, they're great :D
They need to clarify the difference between "mean" and "median" age. It almost seems like they're using these interchangeably.
My great grandma was married at 13 and my grandfather was 15. They were married for 72 years.
Broken Quill92 when were they married
What country?
Laura Z The United States
Broken Quill92 I meant what state
Laura Z Arkansas
My grandpa was 15 when he married his 13 year old wife. They built their own house and farm immediately after their honeymoon of walking over 100 miles through dense forest to a cabin. That took months. They returned home built their farm and stayed their until they died at a very old age.
At least your grandparents were very close in age-and their story sounds a lot like "Little House on The Prairie" (humming show's theme song)
@@nancyomalley9959 I was thinking of that.
@@nancyomalley9959 Honestly why is two immature minds better than one? This whole idea that age gaps are predatory is just a prejudice brought on by feminism. For 99% of human history if you said the best way to compensate a 13 year old bride's childish and immature mind was with another childish and immature husband, people would look at you like you were insane and then laugh in your face. Take the movie Forest Gump. Does anything Jenny was a predator for having such a more mature intellect than him? Does anyone think he would be better off with another retard as a partner.
@@Dennis-nc3vw Back then, teens were not as 'immature' as they are now. But when there was a large age gap (where the male is considerably older) there is an imbalance of equity in the marriage, and some (not all) might have used that to control his much younger wife
@@nancyomalley9959 I don't know, it sounds like a lie we tell ourselves to excuse throwing people in jail for being icky and creepy. I remember when I was 11 I was ludicrously manipulated by a friend to believe he was getting stalked by a mad scientist. While he took advantage of my youthful gullibility, he was the same age as me. It seems you should either trust someone's judgement when they reach a certain age, or you don't. No one would say Marylin Van Strauss marriage was non-consenual because she was so much smarter than her husband.
"Average divorce rate of first marriage is only 41%"
ONLY ?? you call that "ONLY"???
Nice vid! Thanks again.
I married when i was 18 because you know:), With help from family a was able to finish Uni. Was married till 3 years ago when i became a widow. Never regretted a minute of it. Love from Amsterdam..
sorry for your loss
I don't know, can you explain pls?
Here in Portugal, it was quite common for the older generation (55 and above years old) to get married at around 16-17. From everyone I know of that age, I do know many because we're a country filled with older people, the reason is too clear to be a coincidence. They all said that it was because they could only stop living with their parents by getting married. But they also say that they endured a lot of physical and verbal abuse, even nowadays because the men they're with are also from that time, when it was "okay" to beat women and keep them cleaning the house and looking after the children, many while maintaining a job or two. That "tradition" still happens today with the 40 year-old couples that are a bit closed off from today's mindset.
Eika Pumpkin it was Salazar fault, kinda of
Wonderful video! I found it really informative.
Thank you, Simon. Appreciate your great news casts and presentations.
When you mentioned the baby boom generation getting married in 1950, I assume you mean the parents of baby boomers. Just so everything is clear...
An “average”, “mean”, or “median” expressed as a range makes me question the qualifications of the researchers.
Ranges make since for median averages though. You can have multiple equally common ages to get married. Say if you have a sample of 20 couples and 5 of them got married at 19, 5 at 20 and 5 at 21 and the rest are outliers. Since people don't typically get married on their birthdays either it seems sensible to then say the average age is 19-21. Of course you can take the mean of the median and say they get married around 20, but a range of equally valid ages is more representative.
Your Teachings are Great, Thanks
Another interesting and informative video starring Simon. The Brit accent alone is worth tuning in to. But these short videos never fail to not only entertain they also, in the brief amount of time, educate about some topic I never even thought about! Thank you Simon!
My aunt married at fifteen, and her daughter at fourteen. Several others of my aunts didn't make it to twenty-one. I suspect that the ages skew low for small town America, the poor, and the 1950s.
Baby boomers weren't getting married in 1950 - we were being born around then.
Was just thinking the same.
no...? you're not a baby boomer
junipa, maybe there was a spike of marriages due to women getting pregnant? Being an unwed mother was still frowned upon, and marriages of convenience were not unheard of.
The baby boomers were born from 1946-1964, so yeah, the oldest baby boomers were 4 years old at this time.
Ah! The answer to a question I never thought to ask! Thanks Simon!
Good info!
I have never met my wife. I'm 63. Now what?
Would’ve liked to see the topic expanded to more than just Europe
@Scientific Humanist He was a true gentleman, he waited till she was ripe
I’m addicted to your videos!
Thank you for not having an ad in the middle of the video.
In New France (now the province of Québec) in the early 17th century marriages between very young girls and much older men were common. But this is due to an important imbalance of the sex ratio. New France was mostly dedicated to the fur trade so a much larger number of men immigrated to the colony. There were so few women that Louis XIV had to send about 800 “Fille du Roy” at the request of the intendant Jean Talon to be married in the colony.
I have been studying my family tree for a few years and the average age of female marriage is 18. Some as early as 13 and a few older than 20. Now, the data quoted in this video might be off because many married a second time in their 20's because their husband died one way or another. The figures go for the men as well. Most married around 18, rarely younger than that unless they were of noble birth. A good number also had 2nd marriages due to the death of their first wife.
That top button on his shirt is struggling 😂 anyway, very insightful, great channel
I like the list of sources , more channels should do this.
Median averages is fine, but I think what would have been very helpfulness would be common range, how much older or younger were people getting married?
Interesting video, glad they went back to the older style, didn’t like the basement style of the kinder eggs video...
Good video!
In 1963 my parents got married. She was 15 and he was 24. They're still together all of these years later. I got married at 16 (in 1985) and my husband was 33. He died when I was 19. I was the youngest widow in the family since my fathers side immigrated here from Ireland. My great grandmother was widowed at 18 (with two children) when my great grandfather was killed in the Easter Rising. He was 27.
if I may ask what is your opinion on the matter (legitimately curious) as in do think it/was positive or negative / preferable or in certain situations or do you think the culture has changed and it was ok then but not now ?
so what I gather is that it wasn't that it was common practice for older men to marry younger women or vice versa in earlier centuries but that there wasn't enough regulation to protect children during those times so though it seems to be a common occurrence because of the pictures and the media that we are shown it wasn't as common as we were led to believe. and we are being shown these things because they hitter resonating know in the world's and our adults perception on what the difference is between a child's mind and an adult's mind. I'm glad that children are protected I could never imagine marrying a 12 year old.
This is one of few reasonable comments on this video.
Children don't need protecting, they need teaching. Don't pass off the responsibility of parents onto the government.
If a 12 year old isnt ready for marriage, its because the parents failed in their duty, and care more selfishly about "keeping their special baby" than ensuring she grows up with the right toolset to deal with a life of her choice.
no sane man would want to marry a 12 year old but one must look at the situation and don't jump to conclusion...there was no government safety net at that time and the family was the safety net...life was hard (and still hard) at that time and sometimes betrothing a girl to a wealthier family may have been better then the girl living in poverty and the families probably knew each other too so it wasn't like total strangers
@@Thomas-ck1tm You pass judgement upon all of your forefathers, The Christian, Jewish, and Islamic religions, ancient Greece and Rome, among other ancient cultures, and tribal peoples everywhere. There are plenty of "sane" people, male and female who have, or desire to have, married a 12 year old male or female, in the long history of human society.
Are you a God, that your morality ought to be preferred to that of another?
I don't know if I could feel comfortable marrying someone who still watches Pokemon.
wouldn't matter to me if they're the same age.
Who cares what age the Pokemon are?
I didn't know you had to be a Pokemon to watch the show.
I don't know what we're talking about anymore.
* flips him off*
That’s crazy I was a few days after turning 17, that I got married . It’s been 12 amazing years and my mother also got married as a teenager for her first marriage. I’ve made it longer than she did in her first marriage , but dang. The median age has stayed around 19 years old . Wild! Now it’s most likely closer to 30 or never in this generation.
Congratulations and many happy years to you both ^_^
My Great Grand Mother was 14 when she married her husband who was 16 in December of 1917. They missed their 75th anniversary by less then 2 months. She passed away in 1992 and he passed away in 1994.
Both of my grandmothers got married when they were 15.
Congratulations on your lesbian grandmas
My great-grandparents got married when he was 21 and she was 13.
T H I C
David Buschhorn so they still alive?
Rainbow Dash nah, they died when I was in college, back in the early 90s.
Your great grandpa was a fucking weirdo
David Buschhorn damn son
my father's mother got married at 19, as she was expected to and as did her adopted sister a few months later, yet my mother's older sister, who is the same age as my paternal grandmother, got married at 21, despite great opposition from her parents as she was considered too young. I think it had a lot to do with social class, as my mother's siblings all went into secondary education at a time where you had to pay fees for it, and many went into higher education and got qualifications, yet my grandmother's family expected her to settle down, get a job and raise a family
Thank you. I've been wondering about those second and third marriage stats for a while. Although 41% for first marriages is still pretty high.
Literally 2 years ago when I had to go to bible school my churches priest started getting made at me and the other girls for “why aren’t you married by now?!” We were literally 12-14 years old. He kept saying “you should be married and have your first born son by now” so... yeah. I’m 16, single, and a failure in the eyes of god. 😂😂😂
Report him ASAP!
Nancy O'Malley I’m pretty sure he retired last year. But he wasn’t really mean per say just really old fashioned, which is to say he said stuff like that but luckily he never touched us or anything.
This seems like the kind of video that will bring out a ton of creeps in the comments. Bye bye gonna scroll back up.
Come back, you pu#$y!!!
You mean 99% of society for 500K years.
Hello!
I’m dragging you down here with me.
My parents got married at 24 in 1976 which was considered old for that time; a lot of their friends married straight out of high school and were divorced 3 or 4 years later; but my parents are still going strong after over 42 years! They met the first day of ninth grade; they were in the same class all the way through and were involved in a lot of extracurricular activities together including Red Cross, drama, student council (my mom made all my dad’s campaign posters), and so on!
In rural America early and mid 20th century, most got married as teens. I had a great aunt marry at 13 and she would play with the neighbors kids until her 16 year husband came home from the fields. My mother-in-law was 14, father-in-law 16. If you made it to 19, you were like an old maid.
"The Catholic Church had rules for just about everything."
Well, they still have, but they have fewer and less significant means of enforcing their rules, so people bother less, if at all, about it.
Leopoldo Aranha Partly, the Catholic Church herself has said it only deals with issues of faith and morals.
A modern Catholic Priest once said to struggling Catholics
Yet, most of the western laws are still derived from the Catholic Church rules, nothing much changed.
The congregation may individually flaunt the Catholic rules but they still get you with tortuous feelings of sin and guilt.
I’m a strong Christian but..... The Catholic Church made up their own rules :/
Why is the first episode of a TV show called a pilot?
They are seeing how well it does when it is first aired.
i should further state that often a pilot won't be part of the story, but just be a rushed conglomerate of the concept of the show to see how people like it and if there are any changes needed to be made.
I don't actually know, but if I had to guess... something like, "to see if the concept flies."
It's the guiding the show: Origin early 16th century (denoting a person who steers a ship): from French pilote, from medieval Latin pilotus, an alteration of pedota, based on Greek pēdon ‘oar,’ (plural) ‘rudder.’
To see if the show will fly?
What's interesting is that the statistics show these stereotypes weren't reality, but people believed the stereotypes at the time! For example, in Persuasion (Regency Era), Lady Russell thinks Charles Musgrove's proposal would not have been nearly good enough for Anne when she was 19 but that it would be fine for her to settle for him at 22, as if she's already approaching old maidenhood. And this isn't Jane Austen portraying Lady Russell as silly -- the text treats Anne's age of 27 as tragically too old to find love now and her and Wentworth rekindling their love with her 27 as something she never would have hoped for.
Crazy think imma finally sub always end up watching these anyways lol
When reliable, cheap hormonal birth control became available.
i would not say it's cheap, but at least is affordable.
This probably still happens in southern red states. . .to second cousins.
I've lived in the deep South for 50 years, and never met anyone married to, divorced from, or dating a cousin.
My parents were cold-averse Pennsylvanians, so my own family history doesn't help, but no one I know is aware of any inbreeding in their families. If it ever actually happened outside Union propaganda and Hollywood, it seems to have long since gone out of fashion.
Got my first period at nine. SO FREAKING GLAD THIS ISN'T THE CASE NOW
I have 6 sisters. I had at least one or two get married before 20, but at least one got married after 25. Interesting video. ;)
My mom married at 14 in 1952 to a 25 year old man and no one said boo...no different than Loretta Lynn and her husband.
Juniper Jupiter where?
That's the one and only reason I wish I lived in the past. I wouldn't go as young as 14 but still.
My grandma got married at 17 because she got pregnant with my mom....but she was in an abusive home...so the only way out was to get married and she couldn't do that unless.she was pregnant (that's how a teen who's desperate, and in loves mind works) so...I jus put that in bc my grandma.wasn't a ho
There is also an excellent text entitled Marriage and Family in the Middle Ages by Frances and Joseph Gies first published in 1988.
My grandmother is in her 80's and she got married at 18 years old and had her first child at 19 years old.
I could not imagine getting married at 18
Sigh. As a medievalist I can assure you that TEENAGE marriage was NOT COMMONLY PRACTICED. The source-text you are discussing did not apply to the real-world practice. Only aristocrats were contracted at young ages but that was very specific to the royal class and not at all common in practice (and they weren't having sex at the age of ten for example). The norm is that women and men were married in the age range of 18-22 throughout the later Middle Ages and Renaissance. Reasons why? Many. It was considered to be the appropriate age-range for first sex and having children. There were many texts that actually strongly discouraged taking a wife younger than 19 or so as women (and men) were not thought to be stable until the age range I have described. The new couple had to be able to support themselves, and most men weren't prepared to support a wife and children until they had completed an apprenticeship and were guild members or had land to work. Even if the couple lived with extended family members the new wife worked -- and depending on her class, this would mean that she had to run a large household (lower aristocrats or wealthy merchants), run a shop or family business like selling wool (middle classes), work on land or hard labor such as washing, etc (working classes). Married women also frequently engaged in other forms of work to bring in income and managed the household finances (in fact women commonly controlled the household purse); young girls were not marrying and then running shops, etc.
You say he's wrong and then literally repeat what HE said. He literally said MOST marriages were around the early twenties. What's your point?
Guess who didn't watch the video.
I'm very suspicious you are really a "medievalist". The vast majority, like more than 85% of people, were farmers back then, and they usually spent their childhood working on the family farm, so they learned their income-earning trade during childhood.
I think you should also have included that divorce rates peaked in late 70s early 80 because women had could divorce. Depending on the state women could not divorce their husbands. Only men could ask for its. Once law past many women who were in abuse marriages could leagally seperate.
He could have, but that’s not what this video is ABOUT.
My grandmother was first married at 15; I guess around 1949-1950. She became pregnant and divorced him within 6 months. She married my grandfather at 16 and they were married for almost 60 years before he passed away. In her family my great-grandmother pushed all her girls to marry early. I'm not sure how much of a choice guy #1 was especially because Grandma had already met my grandfather when she was 12. My grandfather was drafted into the Marines and they married once he returned from war.
My grandfather was in his 30’s and my grandmother 17 when they were married in 1957, they were together until her death 40 years later.
Topic: When did teen girls stop commonly getting married
India: LOL
Lol
The Indian people have long maintained ancient traditions regardless of what various governments have tried to force on them.
My aunt was the last woman to get married as a teenager
lol nope
So no teenage women/girls are getting married anymore?
Nice video
Do you have another video on just divorce rates or can you do one for that topic? Good video!
Figures don’t lie but liars still do figure.
What “statistics” were being used? For the purposes of those statistics, what definition of “marriage” was being used? A church organization? Civil government? Family Bibles? Did the statistics include women who were first married during the last half of their lifetimes? Did it include “common law” marriages?
My father was born in 1905. He told me that, in Yugoslavia where his parents met, the customary age for women to marry was mid teens. But he also told me that my Lutheran grandfather had to obtain “permission” from the Roman Church in order to marry my grandmother who was an adherent of that organization. My perception is that, in most of Europe in the nineteenth century and earlier, people were not considered married--even for the purpose of government statistics--until an ecclesiastical organization said they were married--which was sometimes many years after the couple themselves considered themselves to be married and had children.
Let’s say a in statistical sample of 12,000 women, 2/3 (8,000) are legally married when they are 16. 1/4 (3,000) are legally married when they are 30. The rest never get married. What is the “average” age for marriage in that sample? 21.8 years? Were half of the women married and half of them unmarried when they were 21.8 years old?
The term for periods is "menstruation". not "menustration". You research everything so thoroughly so when I hear you say things you really do need to watch pronunciation. Sadly, I've heard you use this word in other videos.
It would be awful if some kid somewhere picked up how to say something from hearing it on here and got it wrong for the rest of their days.
Please keep up the great work.
PS. I'm not a troll or a pedant: I just have rather a picky brain.
Hate to break it to you but you ARE pedantic. That's literally what it means.
@@LordofFullmetal no. She is just a bitch
One thing to keep in mind is that girls during those eras didn't go through puberty until 15 or later due to not consuming mountains of animal hormones.
Some girls were married young here in the USA, in the last century. I don't know the year, but my dad's sister was married at 13, and started having babies at 14. They had 8 children, and were happily married for over 40 years!
Congratulations to your family. It's a pity society doesn't support young ladies enough these days to empower more people to have such wonderfully happy homes.
@@Ggdivhjkjl lol you both support child marriage
Also the reason that divorce rates peaked in the seventies (and for baby boomers) is because that was when a divorce was made easier to get
Sally Shoaf also free love and the sexual revolution had something to do with it.
Ravens Shadow 2 yeah
I’m almost 20 and i’ve never even had a boyfriend.
KHALIIL01 the latter xD
Honestly now most men don't care about physical appearance for the purpose of making a relationship. It's more about initiating one. The men who do care about physical appearance are the minority, but they also get out more so they make up more of what you see. Most people are pretty reclusive in modern days. Generally speaking if you take an aggressive stance as a women in relationships like pushing a man down and taking him by the hand you can get really really far as a woman. When it comes to keeping a relationship though alot of factors come to play and appearance is a multiplier. If you're pretty everything you do will be worshipped and fawned over, if you're fat weighing over 300 Ib's then everything you do will be judged and criticized. The multiplier effect is diminished for men though so ugly men just get ignored, with some over disgust or even hated on, while ugly women are just ignored.
batty I didn't start dating until I was 21
If it is due to looks, though a bit of a weak reason for people to not at least give it a go, it is a reason. Luckily, it can be easily adjusted to some extent with good diet and exercise. But I have seen plenty of unpleasant looking people get married, even to people that look better. The biggest thing is to go out there and start talking to people.
I’ve got youtube cancer and memes so..i’m okay here :D
22 years ago I married. I was 18 and my husband 20. We are very happy and would not change a thing! We are the lucky and know it.
In the early 1900s my great grandmother married at 14. She was an immigrant to the US and was sponsored by a man from the old country who was already here but looking for a wife. I wonder how many stories are still the same around the world today ....
Rebellious Gen X'er here. I met my wife when I was 18 and she was 17. We're still together 24 years later.
Take that statistics, you can't tell me what to do!
Statistics aren't here to tell you what to do.
Livid Imp true, the thing is that people who divorce tend to not just one time but they tend to divorce multiple times which skews the statistics
The joke
Your head
You'd think with all your age and wisdom you'd know how averages work but apparently not lmao
+Callie S
You're as stupid as the other two...it was a fucking joke.
Haven't he slitghtly missed the point? "Average" older age doesn't mean that there weren't quite many marriages with young girls. Even if not 12, maybe 15/16 was more often. We need data for every age, not average number. But what's more, the issue is not only the numbers but the common view that it is ok, contrary to his modern view starting point. Think also, that girls could often got married as older than minimum age, but that border implies that generally sex with young girls wouldn't had been consider as nowadays. It might be seen as immoral beacuse of non-marriage but that's all, sometimes it might be even ok. At last - please notice that he haven't answer the question at all. Ok, even if it wasn't common, when did it stop? And when our view on this subject shifted so dramatically? Even if not so common as a fact, common was permission, by law and moral. He didn't answer when have changed facts, law, moral and mentality. So much lacking. My conclusion is this video is very misleading and bias, trying to make us think that our contemporary practice and view in that matter is not much different from the past, which is false.
No, there was a medievalist above who said it was actually even LESS common than Simon implies for teenagers to get married.
Good points.
Very interesting video. I had thought that maybe when high school graduations became more of a norm that that would have caused the younng marriages to be pushed to around 18 or so at the minimum since people started to be usually in school at ages younger than that.
I noticed when doing family tree research that many of the women from the 1700s and 1800s were in their mid-20s when they married. I only saw one case where the girl was 17 and one where she was 21. During the early 1900s, most of my female ancestors were actually around 30 years old when they married! Another interesting thing I found was that I'd always thought of the man as being older in general but I found several cases of the women marrying down a few years- not significantly younger, but, for example, a 21 year old husband with a 25 year old wife.