I agree a trail bike is good enough but be mindful of having enough travel for your weight. I'm 210 pounds with at least 10+ pounds and gear and I barely have enough travel for hard hits. I'm at 27.5 w/150/140. I'd love to get a long travel 29er w/ 160+, front and back!
@@justsayin3600 Proper setup matters, short travel and high weight (I have two stone on you) still works quite well - the only reason that logic still persists is that then you're in real Clyde territory, you need overbuilt, and those parts tend not to come on shorter travel options.
Me one month ago: “I’d like to buy an MTB to enjoy the trails lesser traveled near where I live. I bet it’s gonna be a simple purchasing decision”. Me now: “I wish I’d never started researching MTB’s.”
Ibis Ripmo, hands down best all arounder. I know several people who own one. If that's out of your price range, a hardtail might be a good option depending on where you live, the Kona Honzo is pretty nice.
Mountain bikers can be so snobby. I see kids cooking a lot of mountain bike trails on cheap old mountain bikes. Don’t let not having a fancy downhill or enduro rig stop you from shredding. Love this video.
@@arranroberts1463 Snobs get everywhere, you'll find them in every aspect of life. They will often be nice to your face, and laugh behind your back. Just enjoy riding what you have and upgrade when you can afford to, if you really feel the bike is holding you back. A good bike does not a good rider make.
About 50 years ago my buddies and I wanted to ride our bikes off road in the woods downhill. So we took our standard upright kids bikes and stripped off the mudguards and put these big cow horn handle bars on. Then we proceeded to quickly destroy our bikes in the woods … but it was fun 🤣
@@arranroberts1463 being snobbish doesn't necessarily mean being a dick. But the judgement flows like water if you bring up the right, or wrong, subject with folks. I talked to a very nice man on the lift last month who talk as if anyone with a bike under $10k shouldn't be allowed on the mountain with him. I don't even think he got the irony of telling that to me on my $3.5k bike.
Yes to trail bikes! I had a Santa Cruz Heckler from 2007 that took me everywhere: downhill racing, skislope shredding, long epic rides and even around the Annapurna circuit. With 26" wheels! Then I got a hardtail Specialized Fuse with 27.5 plus wheels and it blew my mind, for how capable it is and how fun, and even slacker than the heckler! With this bike I haven't been riding ski slopes, neither racing downhill, but it still could do it, maybe not very fast, but fast enough to have tons of fun. After all, is not about the bike, but also the rider's skills... To finish, I'd say: just ride whatever works for you, have fun and respect other bikers choices. Happy trails!
I rode a short travel 29er everywhere. I rode double black, steep backcountry descents, whole enchilada. It's what I had, and I could often keep up with people who rode much more aggressive bikes. I switched to an enduro this year, but I'm convinced that you really don't need that much travel to get down pretty much any trail, it's just nice to have if you're trying to rip downhill.
I started (back in '98) on a RIGID. By 2000 I was riding a hardtail. I then rode an XC bike with... wait for it!... 90mm of travel on the rear and a 100mm fork at the front, complete with a manual lockout (for climbing) and NO anti-bob features at all. As I pass the half-century mark, I'm just now upgrading to a new (21st Century) trail bike.
Have to agree with this video! Absolutely love my enduro bike but I can ride my trail bike on all the same trails. The trail bike just makes you pick your line a little more thoughtfully
I gues it also depends a lot where you live. As for me, living in the middle of the alps, I'm more happy with my current enduro that my previous trail bike ...
I live in flat terrain and even here I prefer my enduro bike. I m easy with carrying that extra kg for not thinking about flat landings or chicken lines once I m in a bikepark.
I live in the rhine valley which has a few notoriously gnarly trails. I ride a 130 mill trail bike with really grippy enduro tires, and i am totally happy with it, even though everyone else is riding enduro bikes.
It'd always be a XC hardtail for me. Not only as a only mountain bike but also as a only bike full stop. Enough to chase friends on gravel and road bikes, enough to ride all my local trails and also just about enough to go outside the comfort zone in the 'gnar' :P
Agreed. Here in the Mid-West, even with Esker-Kame topography, a smartly equipped XC Hardtail, with a variety of wheelsets given the occasion, should be the only bike one needs.
@@REVMuscleCars Some people make a big deal out of XC frame geometry with the steeper head tube angle and the shorter axle to axle length of the bike being a negative for rougher, technical terrain and downhills. I was thinking of getting an XC bike anyway for an all-arounder. As an XC hardtail rider, what do you think of all that?
@@madcapper6 Read PK's reviews on Commencal Meta TR - an trail bike tilted towards enduro! I love mine!!! I also bought lower end SRAM and upgraded derailleur (not cassette) and shifter to GX.
I have a Scott Spark 940, and it's the best hybrid of XC and Trail. It can handle absolutely anything technical, while retaining some incredible cross country efficiency.. And it looks gorgeous!
Absolutely. 1 week of ownership with a GT Sensor 29er has convinced me that I really don't need another bike. Bike park laps, singletrack, XC loops, does it all.
I love mine because of the versatility - I can lighten it up to be more XC focused by putting on lighter wheels and tires, or I can put on heavier, more robust wheels and tires to make it capable of a lot more aggressive terrain. It does a little bit of everything well enough for my needs.
I only own XC bike, but yeah, feels like a trail bike is a real do-it-all without much drawbacks here and there. If I had option for 2 bikes, that'd probably be gravel and trail
Nice I've just got a 805 people on full susses tell me it's bad for what I ride but it's so fun even when it gets rough from the challenge and there's no better feeling then beating that 40 year old on his 7k bike saying it's impossible on a ht
My perfect trail bike is a 27+ Hardtail with a 120-130mm travel fork, that's why I am picking mine up on Friday after the shop builds it up. Friday = New Bike Day 😁
Trail bikes are good enough for almost everything but if you do ride a lot of DH tracks the overall greater durability of enduro and DH bikes will definitely be appealing
Great point. One thing is that you can 100% ride a 130 mm trail bike down most of downhill tracks. But its bearings, bushings, rear wheel wont like it at all.
This is why bikes like the Ripmo and Sight are perfect all-conditions bikes. Can do anything short of riding off a cliff with them. Enduro monster trucks are just too much bike 95% of the time. That said, if it climbs decently who cares....
Twill Ongenbone thats the thing with my yeti sb6 it pdeals like a dream with no bobbing or anything and you can even ride some tours on it without being hindered too much but if it comes to trails you can just shred whatever you want and there are almost no limits so perfect bike for me
I think it's all about the rider. The MTB scene here in Melbourne is a cesspit of kids with 10 grand full squishes who can't even hit the smallest jump in the bike park or pick a line down a rock garden. I ride a Trek Marlin 5 and despite being the worst possible tool for anything over a hard blue trail, I somehow managed to drag it down a double black tech trail with a 10-foot double where you land on wet, mossy rocks. Trust me, it's not fun but it did the job, and though you probably want something with a bit more travel, but the best XC racer could probably drag a DH bike up, and a DH racer could probably drag an XC bike down. For me, I would go enduro just because they climb ok and you can also take it to a bike park like whistler. thanks for reading this long comment :)
Great comment, I ride a Marlin 5 too, trhew Mavic Crossirde wheels on it, Shimano SLX Groupset and brakes + Rockshox Recon solo air front fork. Solid and nice frame and 1x11 groupset gives great response. This bike is like a unicorn, every time I go out a guy or two on the trail ask me to pull over to check it out with their own eyes :D
Yep, great comment. I know what you mean about those kids. I just got a Marlin 7 but would like to spec it up just a bit so it could handle some moderate DH stuff but not too crazy .. what upgrades would you do if any?
Jerry Martin I would recommend an air fork and a 1x, they are relatively cheap and if you are progressing a lot and want to stay on the same bike then they do bits for you on the trail. I had a bit of money saved so I bought a nice trail bike but a hardtail with upgrades are great. Oh, and also chuck some good tires on it, it’s super great to have grip on a trail.
@@hc90256 thanks mate, I have the 1x as its a 2021 so got a head start there. Yes, I was looking at an air fork but not sure on 120 or 130? I think it can only fit 120? Tyres are a definite, it comes with 2.2 but maybe looking at 2.3? I'm probably over thinking it too much, too many bloody options! Otherwise other option is ride the wheels off it as is and save for a trail bike 🤙
The best bike is the one you feel good about it. I've seen radicals that go to gravel group rides in DH bikes because they just love their bikes and they're not considering getting a more "appropriate" bike, or people that never got used to full suspension bikes (yeah, I've seen them, in DH racing). I agree that trail bikes are "great for everything, best for nothing". Factors like aesthetics also comes to play in this game, I dare to say many of us are looking for the most beautiful, badass, cool, nice bike.
I'm still riding a 2011 giant trance x2 26" wheel bike, nice and light. I had a fully decked out niner wfo 9 I built, manitou triple,, Hammerschmit, dropper post, she was big, heavy and just too much bike for my trails.
Did you see any taking part in the Tour de France? How about in Trials riding, extreme downhill or cyclo-cross? How about the daily commute, carrying the shopping or cycle touring? Your idea of the "ultimate machine" is different to most. 🙄
I've been riding my Patrol and I really like riding with more travel than I need. I really enjoy the added confidence. Of course, it is a bit of a chore winching myself up hills on it...
yes, I am a novel at MTB and my fist time in a bikepark was also the first time I rode my Giant reign 160mm I was landing everyjump, even if my technique was bad I would not fall since the 160mm would save me everytime; I sold the bike to get a size more of my fitting but covid happened and there's just no bikes anywhere, I borrowed my brother's old 26inchs specialized with 120mm; I crashed my first jump, an small jump and I went over the bike
This has got to be one of the best reviews I've seen because I have agree on all the points you guys made about the TRAIL BIKES I LOVE MY TRAIL BIKE THANKS GUYS!
I recently sold my trail bike for a "down-country" style xc bike. It basically works as a short travel trail bike. And can get some what deep into enduro territory, while still being a light weight KOM beast
Ahah down country. I love my giant anthem x1. Still a trail bike but lighter and shorter travel. Good at climbing while not sacrificing too much dh capability
@@twinshock175 yeah, but in all honesty with this geo, the xc model is plenty enough trail bike for me. I'll probably try the longer fork and shock at some point though.
I have a trail bike Marin Rift Zone 2. I changed my fork to Yari but reduced travel to 150mm and changed the tires to DHF/DHR combo. Worked wonders for me. Still a trail bike in a sense
My all arounder has been my 2009 Trek Remedy 8 . I have no complaints since doing the coil swap on the lyric 2 step fork and putting a fox on back. Has been a great all around bike. I also love my 2008 S-works ht for any xc . Both are still running strong
Let’s face it, whether a bike is going to feel sketchy as shit once you push it is more dependent on geometry (most importantly), stem length, tires, brakes, having or not having a dropper, and handlebar width moreso than than 30 or 40 mm of travel. More travel will allow a rider to go faster through gnarlier stuff, and will open different lines, but the amount of suspension is not going to allow or prevent someone from safely doing most trails or features. And the beauty of a trail bike is that if you ride more XC type stuff you can get one more oriented towards that end of the trail riding spectrum, and if you like to do some enduro type stuff a bit you can get one oriented more towards that end of the spectrum.
I upgraded from an older pure XC race hardtail 100/0, to XC full suspension 100/80, to a trail bike 130/130 in the span of 2 summers. Where I live the trails are covered in giant sharp rocks. The FS trail bike feels SO MUCH NICER. I reckon that if I swap to a 160 or 170mm fork someday in the future I’ll almost have an enduro/freeride bike. No amount of upgrading was going to make either of my XC bikes comfy on super gnarly lines... but since I can barely jump and have no business riding downhill there’s no need to ever go bigger than a trail bike.
Just upgraded my department store "trail" hardtail with 60mm of travel (when the shock wasn't seized up :O ) to a new Norco Fluid FS 3 the other day! Suits my riding needs perfectly. Enough travel to be comfortable on the technical singletrack, and to hit some jumps at the park. Good bike that does it all. Definitely agree that for most mountain bikers, a trail bike will do what's needed. But overall, the best bike is the one that's ridden. I certainly had as much fun as everyone else on the trails with my old department store bike.
For me its a modern long travel slack hardtail. 160mm fork 64 deg ha. Extremely capable and under rated bikes. You really have to ride one to appreciate just how capable they are. The ability to build Speed by pumping on flow tracks is beyond compare, is equally at home at the bike park, very responsive bikes, a bit like riding an over sized bmx bike. And on top of that less maintenance.
I have one gravel bike with road tires and knobby 700c 40 tires to swap between and one full sus trail bike with two stem sizes to adjust ride position for DH or trail. That's all I need anything more is overkill imo
I took a Banshee Darkside which came to me with 180mm front and rear, 222x70 coil rear and DVO Onyx SC fork and made it into more of a trail/enduro/park bike by reducing the fork to 170(will be going down to 160), and putting a DVO Topaz T3 air shock(216x63.5) which reduced my rear travel to around 164. I also adjusted the drop out flip chips so that the bike is less slack. Fit where and how I ride but because it all adjustable I can easily go back to 180 front and rear and slacken it out if need be. The frame also allows, well, is more meant for a 200mm dual crown fork so I can go that route too if needed. I can also get some dropouts for 26" wheels and make a mullet or a 26er if I wanted. Many bikes all in one.
Sometimes I love to ride my NINER AIR 9 hardtail (2014) with 120 mm front fox, carbon wheels, and sometimes I love my SC HIGHTOWER C. Depends on my mood and how crazy I want to get. I will admit, the fun factor for my aluminum hardtail is hard to ignore, so quick and nimble. BUT the Hightower, lets get crazy on the rough/downhill stuff.
A trail bike is generally a very good choice for most riders. Mine (Pivot 429) is great for both backcountry XC and also works fine for bike park tech and small to medium drops. But if I live in a really flat area, I'd likely just get a XC bike. If I lived next to a bike park, I'd likely make an enduro my main ride.
100% agree 👍 My first bike was a 140 travel front and back budget trail bike. When shopping for my second bike I only demoed enduro bikes cause I bought into the hype. and yes they descended better but didn’t climb nearly as good as my trail bike. I live in Southern California and we do a lot of climbing for our descents. I demoed the Santa Cruz MT, Scott Ransom, and Norco S. I ended up buying the Norco Optic and glad I did.
I was thinking the same thing a while ago, but with how capable in all ways possible bikes have become, IMHO the do it all MTB nowadays is an All mountain full suspension bike, with 130-140mm rear travel, and 140-150mm front travel... Or a beefed up trail bike with 150mm travel in front, if looking to upgrade
I am totally with you guys, but i would say that there are a few mor beefier trail bikes which are, in my opinion, the do-it-all-bikes. Eg Canyon Spectral, YT Jeffsy, Ibis Ripmo,.... You got all the advantages you mentioned in the video but still a tiny bit more travel for the rougher stuff
I can ride my hardtail Whyte 905 anywhere I can on my Orbea Rallon. Sure I get beat up by the lack of suspension more and some sections I have to be more careful, but I am still having loads of fun. But on the flipside, I ride my Rallon on XC trails sometimes and even though it is overly plush and not as playful on those trails, I am still having loads of fun. Point is, bikes are fun, enjoy what you have!
My friend went full XC for a while and did some big races, Leadville for example. So much training became a burden and he got burnt out. He won’t ride with me because the trails are too rough for him/ bike. My 140 mm full sus 29er treats me well and I’m riding the crap out of it ( though I do wish for that XC bike when I’m earning my down-hill runs).
I think a 160/150 mm travel bike is the sweet spot if you really want to ride all trails and even bike parks. I got a canyon spectral recently, and while it’s not the best climber, it’s still adequate. It can do everything
The majority of weekend riders don’t just do enduro, downhill or XC. They ride their local trails and they look for versatile. Something with a geometry that can climb as well as it descends. I use to ride my local favorite (Skeggs) on an 160MM travel enduro bike. It was super fun on the descent, but found myself walking my way back up which was a long way. I decided to sell my Canfield Balance and purchased a Turner Flux 4.0. Was hesitant at first wondering if the 130mm of travel would hold up at Skeggs, especially through Manzanita trail, which has huge rock piles. I slowly rolled over the first set and flew through the next and it held up just fine. The climb back up was easier (not easy), but I powered my way back to the top with minimal walking. Was even thinking of going down to 120MM.
I'd agree before I got my '20 Specialized Enduro. It handles techy climbs, rocky jank and tight switchbacks better than most trail bikes, and isn't nearly as far behind in efficiency as you'd think. Then on the way down it's almost magical. I can't imagine a better overall bike to cover challenging trail riding all the way through laps at the dh park. I just want a light 130mm version of the exact same thing for all day long distance epics...
Then the Specialized 2020 Stumpy ST Alloy 29er is for you, not too pricy not too heavy very upgradable (if your into that) and looks like a runway model. My Stumpy can handle anything I can throw at it and she's so much fun to be on.
5:13 At 265lbs Super Boost has a home on MY bike - a 2019 Pivot Switchblade with Santa Cruz Reserve rims/Onyx hubs, Santa Cruz carbon bars, XTR and an eeWings crank, at 26.9lbs it's incessant joy, and at home on the climbs, gnarr, flow, boulders, fast downward runs and short flights high above terra firma. Having added a 170mm x 42mm offset fork to the front (sans 17mm spacer) it's even more capable while still retaining the snappy quick handling it was known for. Suits me.
I ride enduro trails o an XC hardtail with my buddies. It's not the fastest but it can get through alright so in my opinion saying a full sus trail bike is not capable just means you need to push your skills a little more
How’s Powerline? I used to love that ride. We would start from Spenard, ride all the way up the powerline, over the pass and down to Indian, and then back into town on the highway. Good ride; about 55 miles.
I feel like a trail bike is like a good jackknife. Is it the best tool for every job? Of course not, but it does everything good enough for my needs. I'm not a racer, and there isn't much in the way of DH in my local area. If I could, I'd own a bike for every discipline, but you know there's things like a mortgage, and a car payment to think about... so I have a decent commuter bike for around town, and a 130mm trail bike which is plenty for any of my local trails.
The trail bike allows you to make great mtb routes, going up almost as good as an xc bike, and going down almost as good as an enduro bike. Buut you won't win an xc race nor enduro race.
Bottledincork - I tried racing a few times. Pay to ride, wait and be told when to start, lines for the bathroom, crowded trails. Not for me, I ride for the fun and freedom. I guess a trail bike is best for me too.
I used to race DH 15 years ago when Steve Peat was King. Moved to a city and just rode an old Kona with slicks to get around. I had no idea how much things had changed. Moved to the country this year and looked at getting a new freeride type of bike and am amazed how things have moved on. A modern 'trail' bike has better brakes than an 06 DH bike, bolt thru axles, similar headtube angle, stem length, bar and tyre width, and as much travel as an old freeride bike, and weights the same as an old FS XC bike, and has bigger wheels that roll over bumps way better than anything from 2006. Long story short, I'm pretty sure my new trail bike can get a decent time down Fort Bill.
Trail bikes are basically just the best compromise. I ride a 456 built up strong and it does everything. Just about strong and slack enough for DH, just about light enough for distance stuff. Love it.
My trusty Stumpjumper takes me up the steepest trails on colorados front range. It also just got me thru my first trip to a proper downhill bike park. I would agree, if you’re a one-bike biker, trail bike is hard to beat.
Couldn't agree more. My Specialized camber is a ride anywhere bike, which is perfect for all the bike parks in my area, Brisbane Australia. as well as the local rail, when I like to take it easy. Only mods have been switch from a Sram 11 speed to a Sram Eagle, and a 30t oval chain ring. Carbon handle bars, and a dropper post. Future upgrades may be carbon wheels.
Enduro bike for me. As for affordability, my 2020 Whyte G-170s cost less than my 2019 Giant Trance 2. However, my 2019 Transition Patrol is more expensive and cost just a bit over $3000. I have rode many Enduro bikes, the G-170s is the best climber and descender. It's amazingly stable on the fast, loose DH trails. The climbing feels effortless on both the Trance 2 and G-170s. Whereas, the Patrol feels like I'm towing a tank.
Theres a kid in Chihuahua mex who rides a cheap hardtail on tourist trail who is a guide and people with 6000 dlls enduro bikes and can't catch up.... My point is what ever works for you
Just got back to mtb after 25 years and totally agree trail bikes are the way to go as far getting back into riding totally happy 😊 with my Stumpy 27.5 carbon EVO 🤙🏾
I have a 2020 Canyon Spectral. it has 160mm front, and 150mm rear travel. 12 speed NX drivetrain, 200mm front and rear rotors, with 4/2 piston calipers. Ive done everything with it so far from riding down the street, to chucking it on a downhill park. i find more often than not, its me that is limited not the bike. and for a (just) sub $3k bike, its insanely impressive and capable.
I own a Norco Fluid HD3, with a carbon bar, better grips and a 27.5 X 2.35 set of tires and a 34 tooth chain ring. Trying to speed it up and lighten it up a bit. Approaching 69 yrs young and not liking the big uphills. But I still love biking. Have a great day.
I have to agree, I used to own a 2016 trek remedy 8 29, 140mm 67.5 head angle, and I used to ride steep double blacks on it, until my mates brought enduro bikes then it became too sketchy for me trying to keep up with them on the remedy, so I brought a 2017 slash 9.8 29, 150mm/160mm, 65.1 head angle, but now some of those mates have moved away and I no longer have the need to ride steep double blacks fast, so I brought a 2019 norco fluid fs1 29, 120mm/130mm, 66.5 head angle, and its the most fun bike I've ever owned, really agile and lively with plenty of pop, yet it has almost the same stability as the slash, pedals well too, I reckon it would handle steep double blacks ok, just not fast, I reckon for 90% of my riding its better than an enduro bike.
+1 agree with the Trail allrounder concept. I would be happy with 120-130 travel, have out grown the XC I am on now, but as price point for next purchase is whats holding me back for now.
You can argue til the cows come home, but you won't get people to agree, because they all want something slightly different. And people tend to argue that what they currently have is ideal... pride and ego are huge obstacles to overcome. 😁
Awesome review but one key problem the Jeffsy is more of an enduro rig and an all mountain bike rather than a traditional trail bike. I’m getting the Izzo pro, sick machine 🤘🤘. great review
I just bought a siskiu n9 but I’ve been riding my 1980s cannondale hardtail for 2 years on blue and black diamond trails, I’m not an awesome rider but you can use almost any bike as long as you take your time and don’t get in over your head
IMHO the best all-rounder is a full suspension XC bike. They feel great on XC trails (duh), are reasonably good at jumps, provided you don't hit anything bigger than like 5 feet or so, and they're decent for riding downhill if fitted with a dropper.
You can argue the same with most bikes... they can do some things well and some things adequately. There isn't one type of bike that is very good at everything. Just accept that they all have limitations, and you can get on and just enjoy riding.
At the moment I don't get out much with my child about. So I have an enduro bike which makes up for my lack of practice and skills/fitness which have declined over the onset of fatherhood. Safer option.
What do you think about our reasons? Do you agree? Or perhaps we are all wrong! As always, let us know in the comments.
The reasons are sound, but there's a reason why the 'All Mountain' category exists, and is named as such.
I agree a trail bike is good enough but be mindful of having enough travel for your weight. I'm 210 pounds with at least 10+ pounds and gear and I barely have enough travel for hard hits. I'm at 27.5 w/150/140. I'd love to get a long travel 29er w/ 160+, front and back!
@@tehllama42 myeah, but for some brands trail=all mountain.
160mm then its okey like the ibis ripmo
@@justsayin3600 Proper setup matters, short travel and high weight (I have two stone on you) still works quite well - the only reason that logic still persists is that then you're in real Clyde territory, you need overbuilt, and those parts tend not to come on shorter travel options.
Me one month ago: “I’d like to buy an MTB to enjoy the trails lesser traveled near where I live. I bet it’s gonna be a simple purchasing decision”.
Me now: “I wish I’d never started researching MTB’s.”
Same here
I‘d go whit the new rockhopper from specialized
Ibis Ripmo, hands down best all arounder. I know several people who own one. If that's out of your price range, a hardtail might be a good option depending on where you live, the Kona Honzo is pretty nice.
Dont overthink it dude. Just buy a bike and have fun. 🤙🏽
@@farbenfrohesgrau4056 the rockhopper is woefully under equipped. it doesnt even have modern standards when it comes to axles.
The perfect mountain bike is the one that gets ridden. Doesn’t matter what it is. If it’s being used, it’s good enough
Way less selfish way to look at it than I was. Perfect mountain bike is mine lol no matter what it is.
This i agree with, as i own an 05 kona and i fucking love it
There's always a comment like this who doesn't it....
So true
Word!
Trail bikes. The jack of all trades but master of none but I don't care coz I don't race and I just wanna have fun meeting and riding with my mates.
thats why I also love My trail bike - having fun is key to Me :-)
Mountain bikers can be so snobby. I see kids cooking a lot of mountain bike trails on cheap old mountain bikes. Don’t let not having a fancy downhill or enduro rig stop you from shredding. Love this video.
I dunno man, mountain bikers have been some of the best and friendliest people I’ve ever met and most of them are really humble
@@arranroberts1463 Snobs get everywhere, you'll find them in every aspect of life. They will often be nice to your face, and laugh behind your back. Just enjoy riding what you have and upgrade when you can afford to, if you really feel the bike is holding you back. A good bike does not a good rider make.
About 50 years ago my buddies and I wanted to ride our bikes off road in the woods downhill. So we took our standard upright kids bikes and stripped off the mudguards and put these big cow horn handle bars on. Then we proceeded to quickly destroy our bikes in the woods … but it was fun 🤣
@@arranroberts1463 being snobbish doesn't necessarily mean being a dick. But the judgement flows like water if you bring up the right, or wrong, subject with folks. I talked to a very nice man on the lift last month who talk as if anyone with a bike under $10k shouldn't be allowed on the mountain with him. I don't even think he got the irony of telling that to me on my $3.5k bike.
I'm reminded of the old engineer's adage/joke, "the great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from."
😂 Love it!
Exactly
I liked the “you want it light, strong, or cheap? Pick two”
Meanwhile Sam Pilgrim blasts down double diamon trails in Whistler on 200$ Walmart bike.
I'm quite sure trail bike can deal with most you throw at it.
You’re right
Most people aren't Sam Pilgrim
@@Strider362 Most people dont have "Whistler" to their availability
Once! I need something that lasts the abuse
But the majority dont have the skill set to take and shred a trail bike on gnarly trail or lift assisted parks 😏
Yes to trail bikes! I had a Santa Cruz Heckler from 2007 that took me everywhere: downhill racing, skislope shredding, long epic rides and even around the Annapurna circuit. With 26" wheels!
Then I got a hardtail Specialized Fuse with 27.5 plus wheels and it blew my mind, for how capable it is and how fun, and even slacker than the heckler! With this bike I haven't been riding ski slopes, neither racing downhill, but it still could do it, maybe not very fast, but fast enough to have tons of fun.
After all, is not about the bike, but also the rider's skills...
To finish, I'd say: just ride whatever works for you, have fun and respect other bikers choices. Happy trails!
I rode a short travel 29er everywhere. I rode double black, steep backcountry descents, whole enchilada. It's what I had, and I could often keep up with people who rode much more aggressive bikes. I switched to an enduro this year, but I'm convinced that you really don't need that much travel to get down pretty much any trail, it's just nice to have if you're trying to rip downhill.
Been using a short travel plus trail bike for the last couple of years and it’s been more than enough for me.
Hi what frame have you been using. I have a Cannondale cujo with 150mm fork, but I'm after a full sus with about 120mm but has to be a plus size..
I started (back in '98) on a RIGID. By 2000 I was riding a hardtail. I then rode an XC bike with... wait for it!... 90mm of travel on the rear and a 100mm fork at the front, complete with a manual lockout (for climbing) and NO anti-bob features at all. As I pass the half-century mark, I'm just now upgrading to a new (21st Century) trail bike.
Have to agree with this video! Absolutely love my enduro bike but I can ride my trail bike on all the same trails. The trail bike just makes you pick your line a little more thoughtfully
I gues it also depends a lot where you live. As for me, living in the middle of the alps, I'm more happy with my current enduro that my previous trail bike ...
Agreed! Madeira to chunky for trail bikes
Lucky... ;)
I live in flat terrain and even here I prefer my enduro bike. I m easy with carrying that extra kg for not thinking about flat landings or chicken lines once I m in a bikepark.
I live in the rhine valley which has a few notoriously gnarly trails. I ride a 130 mill trail bike with really grippy enduro tires, and i am totally happy with it, even though everyone else is riding enduro bikes.
I agree with you same situation here I live in Switzerland and my new enduro bike feels so much better in the alps than my trail bike
I went from 180mm coil to 130R/140F air, and I love it! So much easier to pedal, though you do feel the bigger stuff a bit more.
It'd always be a XC hardtail for me. Not only as a only mountain bike but also as a only bike full stop. Enough to chase friends on gravel and road bikes, enough to ride all my local trails and also just about enough to go outside the comfort zone in the 'gnar' :P
Agreed. Here in the Mid-West, even with Esker-Kame topography, a smartly equipped XC Hardtail, with a variety of wheelsets given the occasion, should be the only bike one needs.
@@REVMuscleCars Some people make a big deal out of XC frame geometry with the steeper head tube angle and the shorter axle to axle length of the bike being a negative for rougher, technical terrain and downhills. I was thinking of getting an XC bike anyway for an all-arounder. As an XC hardtail rider, what do you think of all that?
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Read PK's reviews on Commencal Meta TR - an trail bike tilted towards enduro! I love mine!!! I also bought lower end SRAM and upgraded derailleur (not cassette) and shifter to GX.
I have a Scott Spark 940, and it's the best hybrid of XC and Trail. It can handle absolutely anything technical, while retaining some incredible cross country efficiency.. And it looks gorgeous!
Absolutely. 1 week of ownership with a GT Sensor 29er has convinced me that I really don't need another bike. Bike park laps, singletrack, XC loops, does it all.
I love mine because of the versatility - I can lighten it up to be more XC focused by putting on lighter wheels and tires, or I can put on heavier, more robust wheels and tires to make it capable of a lot more aggressive terrain. It does a little bit of everything well enough for my needs.
I only own XC bike, but yeah, feels like a trail bike is a real do-it-all without much drawbacks here and there.
If I had option for 2 bikes, that'd probably be gravel and trail
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Unless you're climbing. Then you'll realize an XC bike with a steep head angle and short wheelbase is the better choice.
@@alicangul2603 the topic is about do-it-all-good, not do-one-thing-perfectly
@@alicangul2603 dude come on. Modern geo on 130ish bikes is perfectly fine for climbing.
Depends where you live but I've just gone back to a hardtail (Whyte 905 V2) after 15 years of full suspension and I'm loving it.
Nice I've just got a 805 people on full susses tell me it's bad for what I ride but it's so fun even when it gets rough from the challenge and there's no better feeling then beating that 40 year old on his 7k bike saying it's impossible on a ht
@@adrianszabelski8105 absolutely!
That’s what I went with after much thought and consideration. After a few years couldn’t be happier with my choice👍
My perfect trail bike is a 27+ Hardtail with a 120-130mm travel fork, that's why I am picking mine up on Friday after the shop builds it up. Friday = New Bike Day 😁
My son has a Trek Roscoe and we just shod it with 2.8 Nobby Nicks here in wellington NZ, Awesome grip on his rig and climbs well also.
Trail bikes are good enough for almost everything but if you do ride a lot of DH tracks the overall greater durability of enduro and DH bikes will definitely be appealing
Great point. One thing is that you can 100% ride a 130 mm trail bike down most of downhill tracks. But its bearings, bushings, rear wheel wont like it at all.
This is why bikes like the Ripmo and Sight are perfect all-conditions bikes. Can do anything short of riding off a cliff with them. Enduro monster trucks are just too much bike 95% of the time. That said, if it climbs decently who cares....
Twill Ongenbone thats the thing with my yeti sb6 it pdeals like a dream with no bobbing or anything and you can even ride some tours on it without being hindered too much but if it comes to trails you can just shred whatever you want and there are almost no limits so perfect bike for me
I think it's all about the rider. The MTB scene here in Melbourne is a cesspit of kids with 10 grand full squishes who can't even hit the smallest jump in the bike park or pick a line down a rock garden. I ride a Trek Marlin 5 and despite being the worst possible tool for anything over a hard blue trail, I somehow managed to drag it down a double black tech trail with a 10-foot double where you land on wet, mossy rocks. Trust me, it's not fun but it did the job, and though you probably want something with a bit more travel, but the best XC racer could probably drag a DH bike up, and a DH racer could probably drag an XC bike down. For me, I would go enduro just because they climb ok and you can also take it to a bike park like whistler. thanks for reading this long comment :)
Great comment, I ride a Marlin 5 too, trhew Mavic Crossirde wheels on it, Shimano SLX Groupset and brakes + Rockshox Recon solo air front fork. Solid and nice frame and 1x11 groupset gives great response. This bike is like a unicorn, every time I go out a guy or two on the trail ask me to pull over to check it out with their own eyes :D
Yep, great comment. I know what you mean about those kids. I just got a Marlin 7 but would like to spec it up just a bit so it could handle some moderate DH stuff but not too crazy .. what upgrades would you do if any?
Jerry Martin I would recommend an air fork and a 1x, they are relatively cheap and if you are progressing a lot and want to stay on the same bike then they do bits for you on the trail. I had a bit of money saved so I bought a nice trail bike but a hardtail with upgrades are great. Oh, and also chuck some good tires on it, it’s super great to have grip on a trail.
@@hc90256 thanks mate, I have the 1x as its a 2021 so got a head start there. Yes, I was looking at an air fork but not sure on 120 or 130? I think it can only fit 120? Tyres are a definite, it comes with 2.2 but maybe looking at 2.3? I'm probably over thinking it too much, too many bloody options! Otherwise other option is ride the wheels off it as is and save for a trail bike 🤙
Well done with this video. You don't need the best of the best to have fun and middle ground works just fine for some poppy fun!!!
Agreed. When you reach 60 of age but you still feel wants to hit the trail like when you was 16,then suspension does matter. Believe me.
Looking to buy a MTB. Just turned 65. I got a downhill course just 500 feet away with a chairlift from where I live. Waterville Valley
@@roadracer517 that's the spirit, sir!
The best bike is the one you feel good about it. I've seen radicals that go to gravel group rides in DH bikes because they just love their bikes and they're not considering getting a more "appropriate" bike, or people that never got used to full suspension bikes (yeah, I've seen them, in DH racing). I agree that trail bikes are "great for everything, best for nothing". Factors like aesthetics also comes to play in this game, I dare to say many of us are looking for the most beautiful, badass, cool, nice bike.
how about great for everything, best for versatility?
i ride a 2016 stumpjumper for 3 years already and its all good.
just enjoy every ride with friends 😊
I'm still riding a 2011 giant trance x2 26" wheel bike, nice and light. I had a fully decked out niner wfo 9 I built, manitou triple,, Hammerschmit, dropper post, she was big, heavy and just too much bike for my trails.
Hell yeah. I just got the new Trance 27.5. It's so much bike it's ridiculous.
Scott Spark RC XC bike is the ultimate machine.
Did you see any taking part in the Tour de France? How about in Trials riding, extreme downhill or cyclo-cross? How about the daily commute, carrying the shopping or cycle touring? Your idea of the "ultimate machine" is different to most. 🙄
@@another3997 Lets race and see what happens #VATO.
I've been riding my Patrol and I really like riding with more travel than I need. I really enjoy the added confidence. Of course, it is a bit of a chore winching myself up hills on it...
yes, I am a novel at MTB and my fist time in a bikepark was also the first time I rode my Giant reign 160mm I was landing everyjump, even if my technique was bad I would not fall since the 160mm would save me everytime; I sold the bike to get a size more of my fitting but covid happened and there's just no bikes anywhere, I borrowed my brother's old 26inchs specialized with 120mm; I crashed my first jump, an small jump and I went over the bike
add a little 250w front hub motor and small battery where the drink bottle goes and cruise up the climbs..
This has got to be one of the best reviews I've seen because I have agree on all the points you guys made about the TRAIL BIKES I LOVE MY TRAIL BIKE THANKS GUYS!
I recently sold my trail bike for a "down-country" style xc bike. It basically works as a short travel trail bike. And can get some what deep into enduro territory, while still being a light weight KOM beast
May I ask what “down country” bike you got?
@@hambruhger3764 I have the intense sniper xc. So its probably on the smallest end of the spectrum, but all the geo is there for it to be a slayer.
So in XC form has 100mm travel, and there is the same bike with 120mm travel called the Trail, go figure.
Ahah down country. I love my giant anthem x1. Still a trail bike but lighter and shorter travel. Good at climbing while not sacrificing too much dh capability
@@twinshock175 yeah, but in all honesty with this geo, the xc model is plenty enough trail bike for me. I'll probably try the longer fork and shock at some point though.
Super Chuck reference...solid!
Solid comment, thanks for watching!
I have a trail bike Marin Rift Zone 2. I changed my fork to Yari but reduced travel to 150mm and changed the tires to DHF/DHR combo. Worked wonders for me. Still a trail bike in a sense
I ride singletrack on my cyclocross. It requires way more finesse and care but it's doable.
My all arounder has been my 2009 Trek Remedy 8 . I have no complaints since doing the coil swap on the lyric 2 step fork and putting a fox on back. Has been a great all around bike. I also love my 2008 S-works ht for any xc . Both are still running strong
Me, Chuck Norris and the Techno Viking :)
Let’s face it, whether a bike is going to feel sketchy as shit once you push it is more dependent on geometry (most importantly), stem length, tires, brakes, having or not having a dropper, and handlebar width moreso than than 30 or 40 mm of travel. More travel will allow a rider to go faster through gnarlier stuff, and will open different lines, but the amount of suspension is not going to allow or prevent someone from safely doing most trails or features. And the beauty of a trail bike is that if you ride more XC type stuff you can get one more oriented towards that end of the trail riding spectrum, and if you like to do some enduro type stuff a bit you can get one oriented more towards that end of the spectrum.
I've got a trail bike and a gravel bike - they can cover a huge variety of riding styles without overlapping too much.
I want an enduro bike next but I agree with this, new trail bikes are more than competent on most trails.
I upgraded from an older pure XC race hardtail 100/0, to XC full suspension 100/80, to a trail bike 130/130 in the span of 2 summers. Where I live the trails are covered in giant sharp rocks. The FS trail bike feels SO MUCH NICER. I reckon that if I swap to a 160 or 170mm fork someday in the future I’ll almost have an enduro/freeride bike. No amount of upgrading was going to make either of my XC bikes comfy on super gnarly lines... but since I can barely jump and have no business riding downhill there’s no need to ever go bigger than a trail bike.
Just upgraded my department store "trail" hardtail with 60mm of travel (when the shock wasn't seized up :O ) to a new Norco Fluid FS 3 the other day! Suits my riding needs perfectly. Enough travel to be comfortable on the technical singletrack, and to hit some jumps at the park. Good bike that does it all. Definitely agree that for most mountain bikers, a trail bike will do what's needed. But overall, the best bike is the one that's ridden. I certainly had as much fun as everyone else on the trails with my old department store bike.
Just got the same 2020 model too
For me its a modern long travel slack hardtail. 160mm fork 64 deg ha. Extremely capable and under rated bikes. You really have to ride one to appreciate just how capable they are. The ability to build Speed by pumping on flow tracks is beyond compare, is equally at home at the bike park, very responsive bikes, a bit like riding an over sized bmx bike. And on top of that less maintenance.
I thought a gravelbike was the only bike I needed? The bike industry is a confusing place...
It’s a fucking money racket
Confusing and pricey !!
Do as your told!
Honestly do what you want we’re always being told what’s good and what’s bad just ride ur bikesss
I have one gravel bike with road tires and knobby 700c 40 tires to swap between and one full sus trail bike with two stem sizes to adjust ride position for DH or trail. That's all I need anything more is overkill imo
For an average joe like me, who only rides to stay in a reasonably good shape, 4-5 times a week in various trails, a trail bike is perfect.
I took a Banshee Darkside which came to me with 180mm front and rear, 222x70 coil rear and DVO Onyx SC fork and made it into more of a trail/enduro/park bike by reducing the fork to 170(will be going down to 160), and putting a DVO Topaz T3 air shock(216x63.5) which reduced my rear travel to around 164. I also adjusted the drop out flip chips so that the bike is less slack. Fit where and how I ride but because it all adjustable I can easily go back to 180 front and rear and slacken it out if need be. The frame also allows, well, is more meant for a 200mm dual crown fork so I can go that route too if needed. I can also get some dropouts for 26" wheels and make a mullet or a 26er if I wanted. Many bikes all in one.
Sometimes I love to ride my NINER AIR 9 hardtail (2014) with 120 mm front fox, carbon wheels, and sometimes I love my SC HIGHTOWER C. Depends on my mood and how crazy I want to get. I will admit, the fun factor for my aluminum hardtail is hard to ignore, so quick and nimble. BUT the Hightower, lets get crazy on the rough/downhill stuff.
A trail bike is generally a very good choice for most riders. Mine (Pivot 429) is great for both backcountry XC and also works fine for bike park tech and small to medium drops. But if I live in a really flat area, I'd likely just get a XC bike. If I lived next to a bike park, I'd likely make an enduro my main ride.
I think a 140/150 trail bike would be the only bike you need
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@@terrorjackyterrorjacky4608 Hey! That’s what I got!
More travel makes going downhill better for me
This video answered so many questions… great summary and advice!
here in colorado we think that a trail bike is the only bike you need at all
100% agree 👍 My first bike was a 140 travel front and back budget trail bike. When shopping for my second bike I only demoed enduro bikes cause I bought into the hype. and yes they descended better but didn’t climb nearly as good as my trail bike. I live in Southern California and we do a lot of climbing for our descents. I demoed the Santa Cruz MT, Scott Ransom, and Norco S. I ended up buying the Norco Optic and glad I did.
I was thinking the same thing a while ago, but with how capable in all ways possible bikes have become, IMHO the do it all MTB nowadays is an All mountain full suspension bike, with 130-140mm rear travel, and 140-150mm front travel... Or a beefed up trail bike with 150mm travel in front, if looking to upgrade
I am totally with you guys, but i would say that there are a few mor beefier trail bikes which are, in my opinion, the do-it-all-bikes. Eg Canyon Spectral, YT Jeffsy, Ibis Ripmo,.... You got all the advantages you mentioned in the video but still a tiny bit more travel for the rougher stuff
The reason why I bought my trek remedy, 27.5 ,playful and a bit more travel💯.
I can ride my hardtail Whyte 905 anywhere I can on my Orbea Rallon. Sure I get beat up by the lack of suspension more and some sections I have to be more careful, but I am still having loads of fun. But on the flipside, I ride my Rallon on XC trails sometimes and even though it is overly plush and not as playful on those trails, I am still having loads of fun. Point is, bikes are fun, enjoy what you have!
Totally agree. There’s not a lot I can’t enjoy on my orange five. It’s rarely ideal but also rarely the wrong bike.
My friend went full XC for a while and did some big races, Leadville for example. So much training became a burden and he got burnt out. He won’t ride with me because the trails are too rough for him/ bike. My 140 mm full sus 29er treats me well and I’m riding the crap out of it ( though I do wish for that XC bike when I’m earning my down-hill runs).
I couldn't agree more!!! I ride my bike just about everywhere with my ride, and the price point doesn't break you.
I think a 160/150 mm travel bike is the sweet spot if you really want to ride all trails and even bike parks. I got a canyon spectral recently, and while it’s not the best climber, it’s still adequate. It can do everything
Is it good on urban riding?
The majority of weekend riders don’t just do enduro, downhill or XC. They ride their local trails and they look for versatile. Something with a geometry that can climb as well as it descends. I use to ride my local favorite (Skeggs) on an 160MM travel enduro bike. It was super fun on the descent, but found myself walking my way back up which was a long way. I decided to sell my Canfield Balance and purchased a Turner Flux 4.0. Was hesitant at first wondering if the 130mm of travel would hold up at Skeggs, especially through Manzanita trail, which has huge rock piles. I slowly rolled over the first set and flew through the next and it held up just fine. The climb back up was easier (not easy), but I powered my way back to the top with minimal walking. Was even thinking of going down to 120MM.
I went from 180 mm Capra as my first bike to a hardtail and then settled on a 150 mm stump jumper.
I'd agree before I got my '20 Specialized Enduro. It handles techy climbs, rocky jank and tight switchbacks better than most trail bikes, and isn't nearly as far behind in efficiency as you'd think. Then on the way down it's almost magical. I can't imagine a better overall bike to cover challenging trail riding all the way through laps at the dh park. I just want a light 130mm version of the exact same thing for all day long distance epics...
Then the Specialized 2020 Stumpy ST Alloy 29er is for you, not too pricy not too heavy very upgradable (if your into that) and looks like a runway model. My Stumpy can handle anything I can throw at it and she's so much fun to be on.
5:13 At 265lbs Super Boost has a home on MY bike - a 2019 Pivot Switchblade with Santa Cruz Reserve rims/Onyx hubs, Santa Cruz carbon bars, XTR and an eeWings crank, at 26.9lbs it's incessant joy, and at home on the climbs, gnarr, flow, boulders, fast downward runs and short flights high above terra firma.
Having added a 170mm x 42mm offset fork to the front (sans 17mm spacer) it's even more capable while still retaining the snappy quick handling it was known for. Suits me.
Yes, that's what I have a trail bike too. Trek Remedy 8!
The best bike is the bike you own, cause its the bike you are going to ride and enjoy ^^
I ride enduro trails o an XC hardtail with my buddies. It's not the fastest but it can get through alright so in my opinion saying a full sus trail bike is not capable just means you need to push your skills a little more
That’s an awesome comment.
Thats exactly my situation. I also have a hardtail XC, and my buddies full sus, but i can pretty much keep up with them.
How’s Powerline? I used to love that ride. We would start from Spenard, ride all the way up the powerline, over the pass and down to Indian, and then back into town on the highway. Good ride; about 55 miles.
I feel like a trail bike is like a good jackknife. Is it the best tool for every job? Of course not, but it does everything good enough for my needs. I'm not a racer, and there isn't much in the way of DH in my local area. If I could, I'd own a bike for every discipline, but you know there's things like a mortgage, and a car payment to think about... so I have a decent commuter bike for around town, and a 130mm trail bike which is plenty for any of my local trails.
The trail bike allows you to make great mtb routes, going up almost as good as an xc bike, and going down almost as good as an enduro bike.
Buut you won't win an xc race nor enduro race.
Whew. So stoked I don't race.
@@howdyitsdavid Then the Trail bike might be the best choice for you!!
@@Mick1714 It is and I am very happy with my SB130 :)
Bottledincork -
I tried racing a few times. Pay to ride, wait and be told when to start, lines for the bathroom, crowded trails. Not for me, I ride for the fun and freedom. I guess a trail bike is best for me too.
Well said
Made the switch from an enduro bike to a trail bike and I couldn’t be happier
I used to race DH 15 years ago when Steve Peat was King. Moved to a city and just rode an old Kona with slicks to get around. I had no idea how much things had changed. Moved to the country this year and looked at getting a new freeride type of bike and am amazed how things have moved on. A modern 'trail' bike has better brakes than an 06 DH bike, bolt thru axles, similar headtube angle, stem length, bar and tyre width, and as much travel as an old freeride bike, and weights the same as an old FS XC bike, and has bigger wheels that roll over bumps way better than anything from 2006.
Long story short, I'm pretty sure my new trail bike can get a decent time down Fort Bill.
I agree. My Escarpe is with me to the bike park, on long days out in the woods and just playing around in the parking lot to some closed warehouse.
Trail bikes are basically just the best compromise. I ride a 456 built up strong and it does everything. Just about strong and slack enough for DH, just about light enough for distance stuff. Love it.
My trusty Stumpjumper takes me up the steepest trails on colorados front range. It also just got me thru my first trip to a proper downhill bike park. I would agree, if you’re a one-bike biker, trail bike is hard to beat.
I love my stumpy evo. Slack, low travel, and just fun. Keep in mind, all the trails near me are techs.
great bike. I have a standard Stumpy I love but its 160/160 Enduro leaning now
Couldn't agree more. My Specialized camber is a ride anywhere bike, which is perfect for all the bike parks in my area, Brisbane Australia. as well as the local rail, when I like to take it easy. Only mods have been switch from a Sram 11 speed to a Sram Eagle, and a 30t oval chain ring. Carbon handle bars, and a dropper post. Future upgrades may be carbon wheels.
Enduro bike for me. As for affordability, my 2020 Whyte G-170s cost less than my 2019 Giant Trance 2. However, my 2019 Transition Patrol is more expensive and cost just a bit over $3000. I have rode many Enduro bikes, the G-170s is the best climber and descender. It's amazingly stable on the fast, loose DH trails. The climbing feels effortless on both the Trance 2 and G-170s. Whereas, the Patrol feels like I'm towing a tank.
Trail bikes are awesome! Love my Trek Fuel EX8, Ibis Mojo 3, and Yeti Sb4.5.
I love my Santa Cruz 5010 C. It does everything well and is much more capable than I am 😂
I have a 2011 Santa Cruz Blur LT. I have yet to reach its limitations.
Yes with $5000 tag price. I’m sure you can be happier than that.
@@aousaous65 I didn't pay that much. 3.2K, it's not the top spec. It's still better than I am though.
I just bought a trail bike....i was abit unsure at first but they are so snappy and fast and they make easy work of tech
Theres a kid in Chihuahua mex who rides a cheap hardtail on tourist trail who is a guide
and people with 6000 dlls enduro bikes and can't catch up....
My point is what ever works for you
Kinda depends where you live / ride, I've just gone for an XC race machine over a trail bike as my playground is panseyland Surrey / Sussex.
There is actually some gnar in the Surrey Hills if you look for it.
Trail bike for all environment is a COMPROMISE! AND I DO NOT compromise! Thus, I hace a XC bike and an Enduro bike : )
Agreed: the best all-rounder and perfect for the vast majority of rides in Britain.
Just got back to mtb after 25 years and totally agree trail bikes are the way to go as far getting back into riding totally happy 😊 with my Stumpy 27.5 carbon EVO 🤙🏾
I have a 2020 Canyon Spectral. it has 160mm front, and 150mm rear travel. 12 speed NX drivetrain, 200mm front and rear rotors, with 4/2 piston calipers. Ive done everything with it so far from riding down the street, to chucking it on a downhill park. i find more often than not, its me that is limited not the bike. and for a (just) sub $3k bike, its insanely impressive and capable.
I own a Norco Fluid HD3, with a carbon bar, better grips and a 27.5 X 2.35 set of tires and a 34
tooth chain ring. Trying to speed it up and lighten it up a bit. Approaching 69 yrs young and not
liking the big uphills. But I still love biking. Have a great day.
I have to agree, I used to own a 2016 trek remedy 8 29, 140mm 67.5 head angle, and I used to ride steep double blacks on it, until my mates brought enduro bikes then it became too sketchy for me trying to keep up with them on the remedy, so I brought a 2017 slash 9.8 29, 150mm/160mm, 65.1 head angle, but now some of those mates have moved away and I no longer have the need to ride steep double blacks fast, so I brought a 2019 norco fluid fs1 29, 120mm/130mm, 66.5 head angle, and its the most fun bike I've ever owned, really agile and lively with plenty of pop, yet it has almost the same stability as the slash, pedals well too, I reckon it would handle steep double blacks ok, just not fast, I reckon for 90% of my riding its better than an enduro bike.
Im 45 yrs old..
I found my old 160mm AM bike work great for me.. its in between of trail and enduro..
+1 agree with the Trail allrounder concept. I would be happy with 120-130 travel, have out grown the XC I am on now, but as price point for next purchase is whats holding me back for now.
Plus tyre 29er modern geo hardtail with a compliant rear end hits everyone of your points probably better tbh.
I like where you're going. Which bike are you thinking?
Ragley mmmmmbop baby!
You can argue til the cows come home, but you won't get people to agree, because they all want something slightly different. And people tend to argue that what they currently have is ideal... pride and ego are huge obstacles to overcome. 😁
Yes, my trail bike gets the most use for sure!
In covid world, the best bike is the one you can get your hands on!
How I wish I have the money to buy these kind of mtb bikes. I hope I can get one 1 day
Goodluck
Took me a while but I finally got my full suspension a week ago today! Best purchase I’ve ever made!
Awesome review but one key problem the Jeffsy is more of an enduro rig and an all mountain bike rather than a traditional trail bike. I’m getting the Izzo pro, sick machine 🤘🤘. great review
I just bought a siskiu n9 but I’ve been riding my 1980s cannondale hardtail for 2 years on blue and black diamond trails, I’m not an awesome rider but you can use almost any bike as long as you take your time and don’t get in over your head
Good to know I went right on my last bike purchase.
I just think of my SC Megatower as a trail bike!
IMHO the best all-rounder is a full suspension XC bike. They feel great on XC trails (duh), are reasonably good at jumps, provided you don't hit anything bigger than like 5 feet or so, and they're decent for riding downhill if fitted with a dropper.
You can argue the same with most bikes... they can do some things well and some things adequately. There isn't one type of bike that is very good at everything. Just accept that they all have limitations, and you can get on and just enjoy riding.
At the moment I don't get out much with my child about. So I have an enduro bike which makes up for my lack of practice and skills/fitness which have declined over the onset of fatherhood. Safer option.
As long as you like it that’s all that matters