Mate so true! Just got to compare a new rider in their 30s with a few quid, overthinking and over spending and riding like a drip compared to a new teen rider on whatever was in the shed sending it.
@@AyrtonsLoafers overspending is relative to income and riding style is a preference. I used to ride a relatively cheap bmx on dirt much more aggressively when i was a teen, i ride a much more expensive gravel bike nowadays but don't ride it with the same aggressiveness. I had to save up 6 months of my teenage allowance to afford the BMX, i had to save some of my salary for 1.5 months to afford the gravel bike as an adult.
There is no wrong or right mtb bike if you are just riding for fun.. But if you are an athlete, participating in a competition, then that's the time you need to buy the right bike to compete.. But to tell you frankly, all mtb bikes are all the same.. Hard tail bikes are the original beast in the mountains.. It's all about making huge money nowdays that's why there's a lot of different types of mtbs right now in the market, robbing your pockets..But great info though..tnx!
Trail bike is always a good option as your first dual suspension mountain bike. They allow you to progress your skills and handle tougher terrain without slowing you down on the road or gravel paths
This is probably the most sensible down to earth presentation (with out the Terminology Hype of any one riding style ) of the various types of bikes I have ever viewed. Well done.
This is the best explanation of MTB categories I've found so far. So many of the other videos simply discuss the differences in geometry and suspension. I'm thankful for an actual explanation of the types of riding the bikes are intended for.
Seems to me trail bikes are a bit of a joke. I can understand the difference between xc and downhill, but xc, trail and maybe enduro all seem to mush into one.
I started with XC hardtail bike, then i bought in 2015 trail bike (Giant Trance) and i was blown away by what oportunities full sus bike gave me. Than i saw my friends Giant Reign enduro bike and i fell in love with it. 2 year later i bought 2017 Reign. This year i gave it some serious beating by starting riding bikeparks and hitting downhill tracks there. So now i ended up with brand new YT Tues downhill bike :D (and bought a new Reign also :)) Now i am patiently waiting for the first ride with my DH after i broke a wrist on a jump....
@@IneedMoneyDK well my incomes are above average. Here in eastern Europe we are also not that fucked up with high rents and services but it is getting worse by time…..
Elie Haers 2019, Scott Scale 980. It’s a fine ride. I just don’t think it’s as aggressive as I’d like. Although I haven’t been in the bike scene in a good while, I grew up racing motorcross, I raced expert and super class BMX in the 90’s (NBL and ABA), I road raced motorcycles... essentially what I bought is probably not exactly what I needed and anticipated. I need something that can take some hits and jumps a tad better. The steering angle is somewhat steep on my bike and I prefer something slightly more slack. I wish I would have done a tad more research prior to buying.
@@AverageRider1 Yeah maybe not the best option for what you're looking to do. The Scale is a fine XC hardtail but it can get overwhelmed. A Commencal Meta, Kona Honzo or Specialized Fuze may have been better suited to you. May as well enjoy the speed of the scale and get something a bit slacker and longer travel down the road.
I was in BMX and MX as well back then...plus 4x background...so what i did was made my GT chukker all mountain bike...its like a bike made between my preferred riding style... Since you have MX background...build a bike that feels like an MX bike...or a bike that will suit the trail your riding... Have fun....yeeeeew 🤘😂
Well done with explaining the subtle differences. Coming from more of a cross country / trail rider this helps with choosing my next bike. As cool as the enduro bikes are I think I'm leaning more towards a trail bike. I currently have a hard tail but want to have another bike for more versatility. Thanks again, excellent video.
@Arianit Krasniqi thanks I agree. I have a road bike for fitness but might get an affordable 300-500£ bike for moving around and doing trails even if its once a month.
@Arianit Krasniqi lolzzz. Same here. Am same age and I honestly would do just light trail riding nothing epic or big. What am really focused on is working on my fitness and then looking at starting trail riding next year.
And the main reason why some xc racers choose a hardtail, is mainly the weight, not only the stifness. And also full suspension XC are not only for amateurs, nowadays we can see more pros with fullys than with hardtails.
@@GoatyHerps I never said it didnt go out of its classification. I was referring to the average xc course, one that falls inside the normal classifications of xc.
Thank you for the very clear explanation. Some people use a HT for all three for very good reason, but at 68yrs, I am moving from my line of HTs to FS. P.S. This is a video that I can show my BF/wife (likes to ride around neighborhood and camp) and she will understand.
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Clear explanation and the editing was top notch. We need more videos like this!
150mm and above ebikes are truly the jack of all trades, and the added weight will make you work harder on the descents and spend that energy you saved in the climb, however, you might miss the playfulness and raw feeling of a trail bike. Comes down to preference, budget and accessibility of lifts and the terrain. Skill outweighs the bike, so you're better off spending money on lessons and training. Great video!
Great video content and a huge thumbs up to your editing team as well, the footage was great and the animations etc were brilliant too, but not overdone.
With the first Focus xc bike you can do almost anything,except aggresive downhil,some years ago we named trail bikes those with the 120mm.A light f/s 120 mm bike is the best bike
Bikes at my local bike shop don't get cheaper than $5k USD. Most sit around $7k and I've seen some in the $14k's. I don't know what happened to the world.
For $14,000, that bike better be able to really go across the country. When the price of the "mountain" bicycle exceeds the cost of a motorcycle, I'm out unless somebody wants to pay me to race a bicycle down an arranged trail. I'd much rather be riding on a scenic highway.
Excellent demonstration! That really helped me. I was worried that the 68 degree head angle that is the geometry of the HT I ordered was going to be slack enough. But now I’m pretty sure that for the type of riding I do it will be fine (mostly trail + some technical).
Or get an eMTB...3in1... HT are too taxing on my aging body and I have a 2x on my trail bike 22T(climbs) and 32T(speed). 160mm fork is my sweet spot for riding all trails. Most rear suspension has lock out, some with remotes to stop bob when climbing. Good brakes and tyres essential... Best modern tech is the dropper post..if riding blue/black its a must have, when mixed with flat and climbs. A good rider can ride anything..for the rest the more suspension will soak up bad line choices and mistakes...get out of jail card..
It’s also important to consider where you live. When you can’t afford to travel to Bikeparks too often and you don’t have access to serious mountains, then you should rather buy a trail bike or even aggressive xc bike
I ride xc type trails mostly. I have a 26 and 29er of similar weight. Both are fun but I can definitely accelerate out of tight turns better on the 26. I dont know if thats true for 27.5 also because I dont have one.
Two things to be considered: - budget: likely not limited you can buy three bikes - racing: if 3 to 5 seconds difference on 20 km race makes difference then you need to choose carefully Trial is compromise and if you ride for pleasure only will suit ascent and descent perfectly 🤔
Tobad no1 told me about this b4 i bought my bike. I wanted to go on the trails.. but seller didnt mention the different types of MTB's. So I got an XC bike. But hey it works fine, but sometimes it feels wrong.
@@purpleturtle8841 Wow we have the same bike and I'm lovin every parts of it! 140mm for for me is just enough for now for my rideing style. I have a couple of videos of my ride in my UA-cam channel. Feel free to watch sir!
Great video. Now if only more bike manufacturers explicitly stated what category their bike is in, and if bike shops labeled it that way as well. My local bike shop didn't even seem to know hardtail trail bikes exist and before I knew better they sold me a marlin 6 when I wanted an aggressive trail bike. Rode it for a year or two and after thoroughly destroying it and learning much more about bikes switched to a nukeproof scout and even though they're both hardtails the difference is indescribable. It's like the difference between offroading in a prius vs a 4x4. Would have saved me a lot of headaches if it just had "cross country" written on it somewhere, or if the bike shop had known better and told me that's what it was, I would have known immediately it wasn't what I wanted. More people need to see videos like this before purchasing their first bike! Not everyone has a friend they can lean on to steer em in the right direction, or a local shop that knows what they're talking about.
Best buck for your money, I recommend the Polygon Siskiu T7 $1800.00 I have a Diamondback hardtail. $750.00 love it, but I wanted to move to a full suspension. For a beginner, I believe the Siskiu T7 is a good start. Do your own research though.
Well, I do about 70% of my riding just cruising on asphalt roads, and some dirt roads. Followed by simple trails. So I guess an XC bike is right for me?
Honestly I think people don't give xc bikes enough credit. My experience is that with proper technique an xc bike can tackle most of what a trail bike can. And for most areas near me anything more than 140mm is overbiked. I've really grown up riding xc bikes though so I may be biased.
i have a GT avalanche hardtail 650b and uh i hit some steep descents. it climbs great and when i adjust my air pressure my tires bite nicely. i do drops and stairs roots and rocks nothing too fast but i'm getting there
Based on this video I think trail bikes would be good for a beginner correct? They fall in between XC and Enduro so who wouldn't want something in between until they figure out their true discipline or favourite style to ride.
This is the best explanation/clarification between the three styles of mountain bikes.
AGREE 100%
Couldn't agree more! Thanks for very graphic and idiot proof explanation.
There’s more than three types
@@ethanmoehn9376 for instance!???🤔
Downhill bikes for instance
Okay, now all I need is a video on how to afford one.
Sell organs 😂
Or sell your body in other ways ;)
Calibre bossnut, that's how.
Go with aluminum frame instead of carbon. Much cheaper.
Looking for bargains on second hand market. I bought on half price a top end unused XC bike. Its hard but luck is always there
Great video. But just a reminder... people ride the Megavalanche on hard tails... so the moral of the story is... get your bike and go and ride it!
I ride pretty crazy stuff with a full rigid mountain bike with a steel frame and 29 inch + tires... tough but doable!!
Mate so true!
Just got to compare a new rider in their 30s with a few quid, overthinking and over spending and riding like a drip compared to a new teen rider on whatever was in the shed sending it.
@@AyrtonsLoafers overspending is relative to income and riding style is a preference. I used to ride a relatively cheap bmx on dirt much more aggressively when i was a teen, i ride a much more expensive gravel bike nowadays but don't ride it with the same aggressiveness. I had to save up 6 months of my teenage allowance to afford the BMX, i had to save some of my salary for 1.5 months to afford the gravel bike as an adult.
After watching countless videos about the subject, you actually provided answers. Thank You
There is no wrong or right mtb bike if you are just riding for fun.. But if you are an athlete, participating in a competition, then that's the time you need to buy the right bike to compete.. But to tell you frankly, all mtb bikes are all the same.. Hard tail bikes are the original beast in the mountains.. It's all about making huge money nowdays that's why there's a lot of different types of mtbs right now in the market, robbing your pockets..But great info though..tnx!
Trail bike is always a good option as your first dual suspension mountain bike. They allow you to progress your skills and handle tougher terrain without slowing you down on the road or gravel paths
Not if you live in the mountains! If you need a lot of travel and beef, then that's what you should buy.
This is probably the most sensible down to earth presentation (with out the Terminology Hype of any one riding style ) of the various types of bikes I have ever viewed.
Well done.
This is the best explanation of MTB categories I've found so far. So many of the other videos simply discuss the differences in geometry and suspension. I'm thankful for an actual explanation of the types of riding the bikes are intended for.
i´m riding a 29" fully, 130mm travel front and rear, 2x11 gears. i´m very happy with it. It offers a lot of versatility and never let me down ;)
Good video, cleared up the difference between trail and enduro MTBs for me.
Seems to me trail bikes are a bit of a joke. I can understand the difference between xc and downhill, but xc, trail and maybe enduro all seem to mush into one.
@@RoScFan They all look the same to me.
I started with XC hardtail bike, then i bought in 2015 trail bike (Giant Trance) and i was blown away by what oportunities full sus bike gave me. Than i saw my friends Giant Reign enduro bike and i fell in love with it. 2 year later i bought 2017 Reign. This year i gave it some serious beating by starting riding bikeparks and hitting downhill tracks there. So now i ended up with brand new YT Tues downhill bike :D (and bought a new Reign also :)) Now i am patiently waiting for the first ride with my DH after i broke a wrist on a jump....
Petr38 you rich?
@@IneedMoneyDK well my incomes are above average. Here in eastern Europe we are also not that fucked up with high rents and services but it is getting worse by time…..
This helped me understand what enduro trail and XC in mountain biking terms meant a year ago
Yep... pretty sure I bought the wrong bike.
What bike did you buy
Elie Haers
2019, Scott Scale 980. It’s a fine ride. I just don’t think it’s as aggressive as I’d like. Although I haven’t been in the bike scene in a good while, I grew up racing motorcross, I raced expert and super class BMX in the 90’s (NBL and ABA), I road raced motorcycles... essentially what I bought is probably not exactly what I needed and anticipated. I need something that can take some hits and jumps a tad better. The steering angle is somewhat steep on my bike and I prefer something slightly more slack. I wish I would have done a tad more research prior to buying.
@@AverageRider1 Yeah maybe not the best option for what you're looking to do. The Scale is a fine XC hardtail but it can get overwhelmed. A Commencal Meta, Kona Honzo or Specialized Fuze may have been better suited to you. May as well enjoy the speed of the scale and get something a bit slacker and longer travel down the road.
I was in BMX and MX as well back then...plus 4x background...so what i did was made my GT chukker all mountain bike...its like a bike made between my preferred riding style...
Since you have MX background...build a bike that feels like an MX bike...or a bike that will suit the trail your riding...
Have fun....yeeeeew 🤘😂
Lol
I'm about to buy a trail bike. This video confirmed it's what I'll need for my riding style. Excellent work!
If you aren’t sure contact your local bike store and they’re try to sell you whatever they need to get rid of even if it doesn’t fit you
damnnn ... they got me too 🙃
Well done with explaining the subtle differences. Coming from more of a cross country / trail rider this helps with choosing my next bike. As cool as the enduro bikes are I think I'm leaning more towards a trail bike. I currently have a hard tail but want to have another bike for more versatility. Thanks again, excellent video.
Oh my god, this editing is amazing and the explanation is great. Awesome video!
Best advice came towards the end: "go out and try one". Nice video, thanks
Very good video. I expanded my knowledge by more than i expected. Deserved sub
Thanks for this, glad that you liked it
Love it that you used the FOCUS MTBs for this video. Beautiful machines. Thx for the explanations. They’re very useful.
By far the best video I've seen on the subject. Well done!
Best ever video about this subject. Well done.
So I need a trail bike but since I would love a lighter bike I need a XC styled Hardtail. Thanks so much for this video.
@Arianit Krasniqi thanks I agree. I have a road bike for fitness but might get an affordable 300-500£ bike for moving around and doing trails even if its once a month.
@Arianit Krasniqi lolzzz. Same here. Am same age and I honestly would do just light trail riding nothing epic or big. What am really focused on is working on my fitness and then looking at starting trail riding next year.
@Shadowman84FS for real, like 28 would be too old for this stuff 😂 they just search for excuses doing lame stuff only
This was incredibly helpful. Very thorough, in-depth, and made a world of difference. Thank you!
This channel is more informative than others, you really provide answers
I think that modern XC does not have only “non technical trails”
And the main reason why some xc racers choose a hardtail, is mainly the weight, not only the stifness. And also full suspension XC are not only for amateurs, nowadays we can see more pros with fullys than with hardtails.
Modern xc is about as non-technical as it gets, second to riding fireroads.
He very clearly stated that they can all go outside of their classification. Good job.
@@GoatyHerps I never said it didnt go out of its classification. I was referring to the average xc course, one that falls inside the normal classifications of xc.
@@graysonadams2485 - I was responding to original post.
This is what I’m looking for… nice explanation, simple and very understandable 😎👍🏼
That’s mean my bike is enduro 😊
Thanks bro!
Now I’m a subscriber 😉
Thank you for the very clear explanation.
Some people use a HT for all three for very good reason, but at 68yrs, I am moving from my line of HTs to FS.
P.S. This is a video that I can show my BF/wife (likes to ride around neighborhood and camp) and she will understand.
Clear explanation and the editing was top notch. We need more videos like this!
150mm and above ebikes are truly the jack of all trades, and the added weight will make you work harder on the descents and spend that energy you saved in the climb, however, you might miss the playfulness and raw feeling of a trail bike. Comes down to preference, budget and accessibility of lifts and the terrain. Skill outweighs the bike, so you're better off spending money on lessons and training. Great video!
This is the best explanation I've seen yet. Thankyou.
Great video content and a huge thumbs up to your editing team as well, the footage was great and the animations etc were brilliant too, but not overdone.
yup, that tracking is very well done
This is the best explanation video ever !!
Very very very good video. There are a lot of videos explaining this 3 concepts but by far this one is the best !
With the first Focus xc bike you can do almost anything,except aggresive downhil,some years ago we named trail bikes those with the 120mm.A light f/s 120 mm bike is the best bike
No doubt, but having more travel will be much more forgiving in case you mess up. Hence a better option for those of us that ride more recreationally
Bikes at my local bike shop don't get cheaper than $5k USD. Most sit around $7k and I've seen some in the $14k's. I don't know what happened to the world.
Buy used
@@noliemigGreat. Thanks. You are smart. I'm sure all your friends come to you for your insight...... I didn't ask for advice dipshit.
For $14,000, that bike better be able to really go across the country. When the price of the "mountain" bicycle exceeds the cost of a motorcycle, I'm out unless somebody wants to pay me to race a bicycle down an arranged trail. I'd much rather be riding on a scenic highway.
Best explanation I've heard 👍🏾
Great to read this! Thanks
The picture was all I needed thank you!
I live in Michigan n dont have super enduro trails just bought anthem one nx with 67.4 head tube angle 130 front 110 rear loved it
Excellent demonstration! That really helped me. I was worried that the 68 degree head angle that is the geometry of the HT I ordered was going to be slack enough. But now I’m pretty sure that for the type of riding I do it will be fine (mostly trail + some technical).
Thanks for your feedback and we are glad it helped you :)
For me this Video is the best explanation. easy for me to understand for each type
Or get an eMTB...3in1...
HT are too taxing on my aging body and I have a 2x on my trail bike 22T(climbs) and 32T(speed).
160mm fork is my sweet spot for riding all trails. Most rear suspension has lock out, some with remotes to stop bob when climbing.
Good brakes and tyres essential...
Best modern tech is the dropper post..if riding blue/black its a must have, when mixed with flat and climbs.
A good rider can ride anything..for the rest the more suspension will soak up bad line choices and mistakes...get out of jail card..
That was a really good explaination of each style
Finally I understand......thank you. And no thanks at all to all the other videos out there that only confuse the issue further....
Best explanatory video ever!
Wow this video is the first one that actually helped with the questions I had. Thanks!!
Thank you for the informative video - great info. I had no idea what the difference was, after looking into buying an Orange bike!
Used my XC in some hard trails (pretty much harsh trails) which led me to crash 2 times but it was pretty much fine.
A great and informative video, not sure what the thumbs down people were expecting.
Great video, explained things really well for me and confirmed my choice in bike
It’s also important to consider where you live. When you can’t afford to travel to Bikeparks too often and you don’t have access to serious mountains, then you should rather buy a trail bike or even aggressive xc bike
Or, if you also want to go up the hill and not just down.
Clear, concise information...love it
Categories really well explained, thank you so much for this great video ☀️
Glad you liked it!!
This has been a great help. Thank you.
Great video on the subject at last, thanks
This is the only video that can solve my confusment. Thank you so much. And, btw are xcs good for commuting? Mine is the pacific ecotic 2618 ah
VERY helpful, thank you. Clear and concise.
I ride xc type trails mostly. I have a 26 and 29er of similar weight. Both are fun but I can definitely accelerate out of tight turns better on the 26. I dont know if thats true for 27.5 also because I dont have one.
Fantastic video that i found very helpful. Nice work!
Perfect overview!
Thank you so much. This is exactly the info I need.
Now I know I like Trail! Thanks for the explanation!
Thank you very much ! Realy good video !
So just remember that if you wanna race long flat terrain in lycra suit, you might need a big DH bike, obviously in single speed
LOL
Great video! Straight to the point 👍🏼
Two things to be considered:
- budget: likely not limited you can buy three bikes
- racing: if 3 to 5 seconds difference on 20 km race makes difference then you need to choose carefully
Trial is compromise and if you ride for pleasure only will suit ascent and descent perfectly 🤔
Concise and informative. Thanks!
Very well explained, now I understanding the difference thanks men
Tobad no1 told me about this b4 i bought my bike. I wanted to go on the trails.. but seller didnt mention the different types of MTB's. So I got an XC bike. But hey it works fine, but sometimes it feels wrong.
Same but I get a lot of speed
Great video. Very helpful explanation!
Which is best for extreme offroading
Finally, i understand! Great clear explanation and comparison. Now....did i get the right bike for me....
Lovin my Enduro Hardtail = )
@@purpleturtle8841 Wow we have the same bike and I'm lovin every parts of it! 140mm for for me is just enough for now for my rideing style. I have a couple of videos of my ride in my UA-cam channel. Feel free to watch sir!
@@purpleturtle8841 really been looking at the Scout 275... But i also really adore the Dartmoor Hornet and the Commencal Meta HT... HELP
Theres nothing like an enduro hardtail
What a great video thank you!
Thankyou for this video. It helps me a lot about the differences between trail bike and enduro bike. Godbless 😇
Great video, thanks for the explanation.
Thanks for the upload very informative! 🇬🇧
Great video. Appreciate!
Excellent!!! Just what i need to know. Thanks a lot!!
I got a carver strict 150 ...its a bicycle between worlds of XC and Trail... Special class
That was a really good video I am getting the enduro comp
Finally all is clear now...great video :)
It's a very clear and wonderful video.
Thank you I was getting confused
Great video. Now if only more bike manufacturers explicitly stated what category their bike is in, and if bike shops labeled it that way as well. My local bike shop didn't even seem to know hardtail trail bikes exist and before I knew better they sold me a marlin 6 when I wanted an aggressive trail bike. Rode it for a year or two and after thoroughly destroying it and learning much more about bikes switched to a nukeproof scout and even though they're both hardtails the difference is indescribable. It's like the difference between offroading in a prius vs a 4x4. Would have saved me a lot of headaches if it just had "cross country" written on it somewhere, or if the bike shop had known better and told me that's what it was, I would have known immediately it wasn't what I wanted.
More people need to see videos like this before purchasing their first bike! Not everyone has a friend they can lean on to steer em in the right direction, or a local shop that knows what they're talking about.
Best buck for your money, I recommend the Polygon Siskiu T7 $1800.00 I have a Diamondback hardtail. $750.00 love it, but I wanted to move to a full suspension. For a beginner, I believe the Siskiu T7 is a good start. Do your own research though.
Well, I do about 70% of my riding just cruising on asphalt roads, and some dirt roads. Followed by simple trails. So I guess an XC bike is right for me?
All those kind all u need is a hardtail right ?
I definitely want an enduro, I love the big huge jumps and this vid definitely tells me that enduros can handle that with ease
Thank you for a very informative video. Short and precise:-)
Honestly I think people don't give xc bikes enough credit. My experience is that with proper technique an xc bike can tackle most of what a trail bike can. And for most areas near me anything more than 140mm is overbiked. I've really grown up riding xc bikes though so I may be biased.
i have a GT avalanche hardtail 650b and uh i hit some steep descents. it climbs great and when i adjust my air pressure my tires bite nicely. i do drops and stairs roots and rocks nothing too fast but i'm getting there
Hard tail for life!
Anyone remember when you just had a bike. Soon they will have different bikes for dirt, slightly muddy, muddy, grass lol
U have different tyres for that, and fat bikes for sand and snow
They already do. The Fox Live Valve suspension.
@@joecrocker794 easy rookie
We already do. You need fatbike for mud.
The bike will be like your car and have a knob to switch for modes, snowy, rocky, sandy and mud
Based on this video I think trail bikes would be good for a beginner correct? They fall in between XC and Enduro so who wouldn't want something in between until they figure out their true discipline or favourite style to ride.
Yes!
One problem I see is that cross country isn’t just smooth trails where I live cross country is super rough and techy both uphill and downhill
Same here, XC racing is the most technical and demanding bike discipline here
Crystal clear thanks
nice explanation ... got what i wanted ...ty :D
Glad it helped!
thanks for the information! :)
Thanks for this♥️
Great vid. Thanks.
Would like to know how Downhill bikes fit in though.