Short barreled shotguns were not included in the NFA because of any particular association with crime, that is a myth, the real reason they, along with short barreled rifles, were included was because the NFA was originally going to apply to pistols as well, as they were the weapon most associated with crime, it was thought that people would find a loophole around this by sawing off their shotgun or rifle to give it the same concealability as a pistol. At the last second, the NRA lobbied to have the regulation on pistols removed, but the part about short barreled rifles and shotguns was kept for some reason.
Not a firearms expert here but a political science and nursing major (never put All your eggs in one basket especially when the classes ain't that expensive, University of Texas for the win) The reason is quite simple, the politicians of the time had already made too much noise about the new law, usually what would happen is that the law would have been quietly killed without people ever hearing about it, politics are at the end of the day just a Play, a game of popularity, so if nobody knows nobody cares, and if nobody cares you don't have voters going to your opponent or forcing you out of whatever office you might hold. the problem is the NRA took too long, too many politicians had demonized fire arms and had made their career around this law, it was way too public to simply kill it since a lot of people's careers wouldn't survive the backlash. So the law was nerfed tremendously, it no longer included handguns and it made it relatively easy to get the stamp to buy or modify a rifle into an SBR. Honestly politicians don't care about gun laws or gun violence, it's just another card to play, another sheath of music for the masses, We have A population of 300 million, do you honestly think they care about a couple thousand dead every year? No it doesn't even show up in the freaking death stats, like we're talking about something like 7 or 10 out of 100,000 people, That is such an infinitely small percentage as to be considered a rounding error and yet the gun debate takes up around 50% of screen time in politics. It's literally the definition of a free point, it's a useless, insignificant debate point that affects such a tiny percentage of people that win or lose it doesn't matter, And that's why it's so popular because it doesn't matter but everyone will gladly pick a side and spend All of their time arguing about it and ignore arguments that actually affect people, like The absolutely disastrous state of healthcare in the US, or the ensuing Housing crisis, or even the ever growing cost of higher education and the ever decreasing value of a college diploma.
Do you believe government works for you an individual citizen? Are still that childish? End goal of any government is disarm citizens completely because how they gonna enslave them as perfectly like North Korea. You all expect a dacoit who loots less then what could be looted in an invasion and protects only because invader gonna wack them first as your wellwisher Or someone like a parent.
Is that right? I don't exactly know what a tax stamp is. (Probably just a way of showing you were taxed I imagine). But if you go by the 2A, then everything is legal right? The 2A doesn't say "well you can have this gun, but not that other one.." or "you can definitely have one cannon, but not two!" God the left must go ape shit over the fact that they can't restrict gun ownership unless of course your middle name is Hunter!
They were the go-to weapons for bank robbers and hardcore thugs here in the UK, in the post war decades. You dont really see them used anymore but in 70s they were ubiquitous. A famous career criminal MacVicar used one in post officer robberies. Famously he would usually walk in, announce it was a robbery, and then shoot someone at random. He was in and out before anyone realised that he would load the cartridges with a reduced powder load and rocksalt. Im sure it wasnt very pleasant but at least nobody sustained permanent injury.
And now, knife crime has skyrocketed in the UK, and the people have only cameras to defend themselves with. And they would rather film an attacker attacking a victim rather than assist the victim fight off the attacker.
@TheLoverOfYourMother1 100% OF GUN LAWS IN AMERICA ARE ILLEGAL TREASON. IMBUE THAT INTO THE FOUNDATION OF YOUR PSYCHE! DO NOT LET THEM CONTINUE TO GASLIGHT AND LIE AND PRETEND THAT TAKING YOUR RIGHTS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH PROTECTING ANYONE YOU WANA KNOW WHY THERE IS SO MUCH GUN CRIME, LOOK TO THE APS THE KIDS ARE ON AND PROGRAMS LIKE MK ULTRA, plus all the absentee parents.... ALL GUN LAWS ARE TREASON FIGHT THEM, LIKE OUR VERY COUNTRY, SOUL, CHILDREN, AND LIVES DEPEND ON IT MANY MEN HAVE DIED FOR YOU TO HAVE THOSE FREEDOMS AND RIGHTS
Short barreled, short-gripped shotguns are widely available in the US and perfectly legal in any number of states. The Mossberg Shockwave, Remington TAC-13 & TAC-14, and Charles Daly Defense Honcho are, for all intents and purposes, sawed off shotguns and you can buy them just about anywhere in Texas.
@@Mikhail-Tkachenko walks like a duck sounds like a duck Swims like a duck. Shit that's a chicken. I love how that works. My favourite is the OA-15 the 1997 vs the 1998. A ar-15 pistol which was banned in the 1998 assault weapons laws. But all the did was read the new laws and change 4 of the 5 requirements. Weight of gun , detachable magazine, muzzle brake and ????? Same gun 1 year later just need a Dremel and a drill to install a new magazine catch and cut of some JB weld. And then at the same time they banded the Terminator a single shot break action 12 gauge shotgun because it had features on there list. Funny how that works. To very different guns but both as dangerous as each other...........hard to believe a single shot is anywhere near a sem auto.
@@bdwilcox I would call it horse piss. But what they say in ,all bourbon is whiskey, but not all whiskey is bourbon. All 12 inch shotguns are SBR but not all SBR are saw offf.. I was trying for something there don't think it works....... Some stupid thing of if it never had a stock or long barrel as manufacturers then it's NFA ..... Same reason why you register a 40mm as a machine gun rather than a destructive device. A machine gun can be any size but anything over 12.5 mm is a DD ....so you can own a machine gun but not a DD .
@@bdwilcox which I find hillaurs that you can't own a 20 mm skr Russian pump shot gun but you can own a 20 mm auto AA gun. Or you can own a 50mm(???I forget) Hunting shot gun but along as it black powder then it's just a small cannon. You can own cannons and machine guns and AA guns but a 12 inch 20mm pump shotgun is where they draw the line.....
There's no choke, but the pattern isn't any wider than it is out of an 18-26" barrel without choke (aka: cylinder bore). I have tested this quite extensively. It's a total myth. I can easily shoot skeet just fine with my sawn off. The same is even true with rifles. Short barrels are just as accurate but have a bit less maximum range. Technically, 10-12" rifle barrels experience less variance/drift, have better harmonics, and less "barrel whip" than a 16-20" barrel does.
@@dark2023-1lovesoni It also can spread depending how the end is cut. The last 4 inches(or4 lengths of the projo) of a rifle matters more than what was before that 4 inches.
Well, yeah, if the barrel isn't properly crowned, it can damage accuracy. Just cutting a barrel with a hacksaw is unlikely to be a straight or clean cut. However, if you REALLY want to increase the spread significantly use a rifled barrel or rifled choke. These are commonly meant to be used with non-rifled slugs but they will force the shotcup to spin and produce a wildly large spread. The only issue is that it's a bit random. The spread might be off to the right on one shot and then to the left on the next. All of the .410 revolvers have rifled barrels and therefore present similar randomized wide spread patterning with standard shot loads.
@nickmcdonald8674 you don't lose as much velocity in a 10.5 inch barrel as you think. I'm still at 2600 with a suppressor. I train alot and have deployed as a sniper team leader. I got no problem going to work with an sbr and engaging targets past 300
Almost all guns seem to be mostly illegal in most countries except the US. In the UK I only ever knew of people in the countryside owning a small 22 rifle or (long) shotgun. Japan only allows shotguns (with a hard to get license) and China doesn't even allow people to speak (or leave their homes sometimes).
that is completely untrue. in the vast majority of (civilized) countries you can legally own guns. the process of acquiring one legally might just be lengthier and/or costlier depending on the country in particular.
There are some sawed off shotguns that don't necessarily have to be NFA There's some loopholes in the NFA where they call certain guns quote firearms Things like the Mossberg shockwave and Henry 410 axe come with short barrels from the factory and basically considered pistols under the law However if I took a regular shotgun and sawed it off myself that would be a felony because apparently you cannot take a rifle or a shotgun and configure it into a pistol under the 1934 NFA
Technically, any gun that fires a shotshell but has never had a stock (from the factory) and is at least 26" total length isn't considered a pistol, shotgun, or rifle. It's legally just a "firearm" (which has no barrel length requirement). To legally be a shotgun or rifle it must be fireable from the shoulder, meaning it has a stock. Technically, smoothbore pistols are also NFA items, that's why the Tarus Judge and all .410 revolvers have rifled barrels. Lastly, you CAN legally cut any shotgun or rifle down to any length you like. You just have to register it under the NFA as an SBR/SBS first (Short Barrel Rifle/Shotgun). This is done using an ATF Form 1 and only cost $200. Lastly, they generally approve these requests in under 45 days.
@@dark2023-1lovesoni yeah no thanks I don't wanna pay $200 for a stamp that gives me permission to exercise what should be my rights. And if I get denied after waiting for months for bureaucrats to actually do anything what's to stop them from busting down my door? because I just told them I had a firearm that I intended to turn into a NFA item. not only that I'm also volunteering to put on a list and fingerprinted?!? And now this puts a target on my back because I can't so much as breathe around a police officer because they are just begging to have a reason to confiscate and destroy those NFA items. And now the government not only knows who I am they also know what guns I have so that they eventually confiscate them when Washington finally gets the balls to do it which probably won't be for a long time or might never happen but let's not get too optimistic. prepare for the worst hope for the best. Really it's just a headache and not even really worth the effort especially when your tax stamp cost about as much as some of cheap shotguns people like to cut down for this reason
Demolition ranch debunked your statement in a recent video, sawed off shotguns still have a decent effective range and the shot does not spread as much as games and movies make it seem
In the US anybody with a mailing address can have a short barrel shotgun or pistol that can be purchased online by any person 18 years of age. They have pistol versions too. They are legal to own an any part of the US including California, I think. But these sawed off shotguns are black powder muzzle loaders. Black powder guns are not classified as a firearm so they can be purchased online and delivered to one's mailing address or home.
You can easily get a short barrel shotgun in the US. There are multiple shogun shell firing guns that have a barrel length under 18 inches and an overall length of 26 inches, but aren’t considered shotguns. They are non NFA firearms and are only labeled “firearm”. Not a shotgun, rifle, or pistol. Just a “firearm”. You can also get a double barrel 12 gauge black powder pistol that isn’t considered a firearm and will ship straight to your door. They are muzzleloaders but still really cool and very fun sawed off shotguns.
In Canada you can have a short barreled break action shotgun but only so long as the overall length is roughly 30" (so a full shoulder stock and a 10" barrel would be legal) and it comes from the factory with the short barrel. Cutting the barrels down on your own or going to a gunsmith get it done is illegal. So like most gun laws it was written by politicians who don't understand them to reassure people that "something is being done about gun crime".
@@wannabecarguy it was because he fell for a trap and sawed it off a millimeter under the legal limit. The informant had to pesture him 3 times to shave off 1 more millimeter and dumbass randy weaver never bothered to ask himself why the hell the informant wanted it reduced by a millimeter so damn badly
I hope you carry that attitude if you ever cross the border into Canada. A long jail sentence is what you will get. You have no idea how many stupid Americans cross the border with concealed/undeclared weapons thinking that a permit issued in butt fuk Texas has any clout in a foreign country with sane gun laws.
@@RickMyBalls Common knowledge in the gun community. Check out any of the NFA or firearms subreddits to see folks who have gone though the process and share them.
Sawn off shotguns are not illegal or banned in the US. They are typically an NFA weapon that needs to be registered as an SBS or AOW depending on certain factors.
Back when I was 16, I bought a sawed off 12 gauge from one of the managers at the movie theatre I worked at. Paid $15. Pulled it out at the public gun range and got some hilarious looks, lol. Eventually, I sold to the police at a gun buy-back for $150. Thanks Greg
Why is the gun the only constitutional right that everyone will fight for? Out of all the amendments of the constitution. It's the only right everyone will go crazy over.
@ImmaSayKOOHWIP im black I totally understand what your saying. My issue is if the constitution trumps all in this country why not all the amendments get the same fight?
@@edwardchristian9529 every one of em deserves to be fought for, but the 2nd one is the one they wanna take first. which is why in today's world it needs a lil more attention
It all started with the blunderbuss. Usually they had larger than a 12 gauge bore and they were almost always filled with several buck shot or any type of metal chunks they had lying around. Over 70 caliber blunderbuss were very common in the 1700's and even the 1600's. Some were even 100 caliber, 12 gauge are only .729 caliber.
Yes but it's a myth that they'd be stuffed with nails or scrap metal. Most of them had brass barrels. It would be sadistic to load it with anything harder than the barrel material. Most of the online "facts" about blunderbuss use are just repeating the same myths over and over. For instance, "nails", as we know them, did not exist in the 1500s. Nails had to be made by hand, one at a time. This is why older homes were built without nails. During the revolutionary War, Washington's troops would recover any nails from the ashes after a fort or settlement was burned. Nails were expensive. What that means is, even if the owner really didn't care about destroying their barrel, it is extremely unlikely that he'd have access to enough random nails that he'd get the idea to use them as ammo. Unless he was a blacksmith or ferrier, engaged in the reshoe of horses' hooves.
@ignaciobriceno9870 yes, in modern times. Nobody would have done that when the blunderbus was common. By the 1700s, that barrel shape was seldom produced any longer. Being good with any muzzleloading weapon means having to consistently recreate the same load and projectile weights/type. This is impossible if you are loading your barrel with just anything you happen to find. Flintlocks weren't cheap, and they take a long time to shoot. People weren't going to Cabelas and getting a blackpowder blunderbus for 1/4 week's pay like itnwas 2007. These things were like a year's salary when they were being made. Nobody is going to spend a year's salary on a machine, and then ram rocks down the brass barrel, ruining the machine and the chance of hitting their target with a known outcome.
@@RequisiteFunction "Nobody would have done that." When you ran out of ammo and it is the difference between life and death people will try anything. Also, these were very often used in close combat because they had limited accuracy, they weren't rifled, they rarely hit what they were aiming at over 15 feet. It was to prevent someone from getting close enough to use their sword on you, and 15 feet is further than someone can stab you from.
Perfectly legal in Poland, as long as such modification doesn't change the gun's caliber and/or purpose Edit: such modification is illegal if it also changes the gun type
Sawing of a shotguns isnt illegal anywhere, IMHO. What happens is that there is a minimum requirement on how small a shotgun can be, aa sawing of is usually done to carry the shotgun below that range.
@@rockid7970 I've cheked the Polish gun laws a bit on the internet. It seems that the rules are more concerned with the gun owner, not the gun itself. Interesting.
With practice it can be done or use a speed loader for tube fed and I have seen plent of videos where guys and gals feed 2 shells at a time into a double barrel break action shotgun
Shotguns have a looong reload time in games and usually you don’t fill them to capacity when you’re in “danger”. I’m really not sure why someone would need a shotgun. When I think of a shotgun, it would be to ensure what I’m firing at dies. I’d imagine you’d only need one or two shots to kill or incapacitate with most respectably sized handgun rounds. Using a shotgun might be better suited to defend against bigger animals, sure, but most situations wouldn’t require more than a personal sidearm… and those situations may never arise in your life if you’re smart, respectful, and talk things over.
Never heard of the Stalker series but the Evil Dead franchise has had a sawn off Shotgun as one of the corner pieces of Ash’s Arsenal since the second movie and was even a prominent weapon in all of the video games!
Bruce uses a different gun in each of the Evil Dead movies. A generic single-shot 20-gauge in TED (possibly a Harrington & Richardson, but don't quote me on that), a Stevens 311 in ED2:DbD (barrels trimmed from 28" down to about 12" which you shouldn't and can't really do with a chainsaw, plus you need to sand the burs off the muzzles afterward), and an IGA/Stoeger Coach Gun (20" barrels) in AoD. "Bruce Campbell is the finest man to grace a silver screen." ~Psychostick
"the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" unless its an assualt rifle or a high cap magazine or a sawed off shotgun or if you are near a school or if you have forbidden kind of ammo and you have our permission and you keep the gun and ammo in sperate places locked up and as long as its not something military might use like grenades or missles or something and of course as long as you pay a 200$ tax for each item and as long as its used only for sport or self defense inside your house and you pass a back ground check each time you get one freedom "you keep using that word i do not think it means what you think it means."
Where in Canada are you? Peaceful protests happen everyday in Montreal and Toronto, and everywhere else in Canada. As for bashing Trudeau, it seems to be a national pastime...
One way to make a "shorty" type of shotgun (whether sawed-off or made short) with a stockless pistol grip more ergonomic is to give it a rubberized grip with a contoured backstrap. Don't know why that's not a regular thing. 0:20 That's not a sawed-off. Bruce used a different shotgun in each of the Evil Dead movies. That one's an IGA/Stoeger Coach Gun. It's not a Remington like he says. Remington hasn't made a side-by-side in a long time. Remington sporting doubles certainly aren't budget-priced like he describes. Anyway, that Coach Gun he's brandishing has 20" barrels, a standard blued finish, Brazilian hardwood stock (and forearm), and double triggers. But it IS a 12-gauge double-barrel, so at least he got that much right. You don't really want a hair trigger anyway. 0:27 That one's a Stevens 311. Ash trims the barrels down from 28" to somewhere in the neighborhood of 12", something you can't really do with a chainsaw. IRL, it would ruin the barrel(s) AND the chain. Plus, whenever you shorten the barrel of a firearm (legal within certain parameters, mostly pertaining to barrel length and overall length, and typically done with smoothbore shotgun barrels), you have to sand off any burs that remain on the muzzle, as you would do after trimming ordinary metal pipes or whatnot. 1:00 Just under a foot, so my estimate was basically correct. 1:09 Those look like 20-inchers. 2:28 That's not how you do a McMillan Tilt. 2:39 If they're in possession of their senses, sure. But what if they're on PCP? I once read an article in a '90s issue of 'Guns and Weapons for Law Enforcement' on police combat shotguns and it mentioned a case where a perp took a buckshot blast to the chest that shredded their heart, but they were still able to run an entire city block before their body gave out (because drugs). 3:58 Or short-barrel shotgun (SBS). If it's made short, it's called a "short-barrel shotgun." If it has a short barrel and a stock, and it follows the design pattern of a proper combat shotgun, then it's called an "entry gun." Entry guns are ideal for home D-FENS. 4:04 (26") 4:07 Which is unconstitutional. 4:25 Which is also unconstitutional and serves as further proof that "Big Law" is in cahoots with "Big Money." It's all a scam that allows the government to bilk more money from The People like the parasitic Leviathan it is. 4:32 How much sense does it make that we have to pay MORE money for LESS gun?! 🤣 5:00 Vietnam War-era U.S. officer's OD green raincoat. Same kind of coat worn by Michael Biehn in 'The Terminator' and Richard Crenna in 'First Blood'. Kyle Reese even carried his Ithaca 37 M&P using a makeshift version of basically that same type of rig. That wasn't a sawed-off or short-barrel, though. He only cut off the stock to make it easier to stash under that coat. The gun depicted there counts as an entry gun since it has a stock. Hard to tell if the barrel was made short to begin with or if it was manually shortened. Police armorers can do that, btw. 5:21 False. Shortening the barrel doesn't really loosen the pattern. You do lose velocity, though, partially thanks to the relatively slow-burning nature of the powder used in shotgun shells. 7:19 The shot is sill contained in a wad. Really, it's the presence or absence of a choke that tightens or loosens the pattern. 7:44 That's about the maximum spread you get at room-length distances regardless of barrel length. 7:48 Good ol' S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl! Probably the best depiction of a "rabbit-ear" sidelock style of side-by-side ("rabbit ears" = double hammers, sidelock = older and more complex design than a boxlock, more Old West-style). That one there is a TOZ-66. Some mods have the full-length version as well as the trimmed-down one. Some mods put sawed-off shotguns in your pistol slot, and if they also have functional vehicles, that means you can wield a sawed-off shotgun while driving just like Mad Max! Yes, I can provide proof. 😁 7:57 Fact. I call that particular shotgun "Ol' Rabbit-Ears." 8:29 Most realistic depiction of a rabbit-ear type of side-by-side. Too bad they screwed it up in 'Clear Sky' and left it screwed up in 'Call of Pripyat'. Those hammers are made to be thumbed back with the thumb, not palmed back with the palm! 8:32 Breach-loaders don't have magazines. You load cartridges directly into the breach.
Remington did import Baikal shotguns that are pretty awesome for a few years. Even in coach guns styles with rabbit ears. That's what Hickok had. Maybe not that short. Anyway, they were great for the money and I have one as a field piece. There is no real reason for them on the NFA. They don't do much more damage, just makes them portable. It's like an SBD (SBR).
@@briangomoll5965 What's the latest double-barrel Remington has made? I'm guessing it's an over/under, likely available in different grades of fanciness. There's the Peerless, but I don't know if that's the latest.
I appreciate you for this very post. Lots of people seem dangerously misinformed on shotguns, their lethality, and effective range. When he said a sawed-off was only effective out to around 5 meters, I cringed so hard I almost dislocated my iaw.
@@martindrengenxbox360 Right?! A way-too-short barrel will cause a loss of damage potential, though, and a loss of effective range, but not due to any loosening of the pattern. That effect can be achieved with a rifled bore which has the opposite effect on a shot cluster as it has on a slug. Since shotgun shells use low-pressure/slow-burning powders (compared to rifle powders), a barrel that's too short or too long will affect performance. But on a combat shotgun, that's not usually a big deal since you still get plenty of punch, so a 14" barrel is perfect.
Its his BOOMSTICK! ATTENTION SCREW HEADS ha ha ha What a great movie. And all the shots he got off with it at the end of the movie and the old lady wasn't dead yet. What a bitch!
The ATF: You can't own a sawed off shotgun because they're too dangerous. Also ATF: You can own a sawed off shotgun as long as you register it with us and pay our $200 extortion tax.
They make sense just for convenience in portability. Like the carbine and the "ranch" or "scout" rifle are not full size, because you've got to pack it and lug it around. Like a pistol for most purposes, it's not intended for any ranged engagement, but the same room or thrown rocks distance.
@@F4Insight-uq6nt In Poland there is no length distinction on any firearms, with stock or not whatever, only the caliber matters. No legal definition of an SBS or SBR exist. These are all equal to other firearms of the same caliber. And under the right licensing you can legally conceal carry short rifles and short shotguns, loaded and chambered. Also slap a suppressor, fore-grip, binary trigger, bump-stock and a drum-mag on if you fancy. Still legal for license holders.
The reason we have laws on short-barreled rifles and short-barreled shotgun (or sawed off shotguns) was it because of gangsters it was too close a potential loophole to a law that had not gone into effect The 1934 NFA which ads the tax stamp involves registration requirements to short barrel rifles in short barreled shotguns along with things like machine guns (which the registry was closed in 1986 preventing any new machine guns from being registered after that date) and suppressors as well as destructive devices (aka usually heavy explosives and things like grenade launchers) However the original draft of the 1934 NFA had a provision to add handguns to this list but due to lobbying at the time they were removed. The law for short-barreled rifles and shotguns was originally meant to close a loophole because if handguns were banned people would just saw off rifles and shotguns. But they managed to keep the provision short-barreled rifles and shotguns in law because the politicians thought of them as gangster guns. Meaning that the law does not make sense because if pistols are legal and rifles are legal why is the middle ground regulated? I would argue that a pistol is a far more practical weapon than a sawed shotgun And is even more concealable
100% OF GUN LAWS IN AMERICA ARE ILLEGAL TREASON. IMBUE THAT INTO THE FOUNDATION OF YOUR PSYCHE! DO NOT LET THEM CONTINUE TO GASLIGHT AND LIE AND PRETEND THAT TAKING YOUR RIGHTS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH PROTECTING ANYONE YOU WANA KNOW WHY THERE IS SO MUCH GUN CRIME, LOOK TO THE APS THE KIDS ARE ON AND PROGRAMS LIKE MK ULTRA, plus all the absentee parents.... ALL GUN LAWS ARE TREASON FIGHT THEM, LIKE OUR VERY COUNTRY, SOUL, CHILDREN, AND LIVES DEPEND ON IT MANY MEN HAVE DIED FOR YOU TO HAVE THOSE FREEDOMS AND RIGHTS
The main issue with them is their concealability, especially in countries where other concealable weapons, like pistols are restricted. The reason criminals used them as it was easier to saw off the abrrel of a shotgun then to get an illegal pistol in many countries.
It used to be 18 for both rifles and shotguns but apparently because the government had a bunch of surplus m1 carbines they needed to get rid of that had 16 and a half inch barrels they changed the law I guess the government can change a law but only if it benefits them monetarily
@@dariodicarlo8745 that may be true for longer rifles but short rifles are light handy good for close-quarters because of size and maneuverability as well as being easier to transport making them great for bags or vehicles and while longer rifles are better for a good portion of applications every gun has a purpose
@@ThesupremeEDGElord I mean ig but it’s hard for me to think that as far as compact goes you’d need anything shorter than like 14.5 inch m4 barrel or mayb like an 11.5 inch car15 barrel going any shorter than that you basically lose all the ballistic advantages of a rifle I personally like 16 inch the most cause it’s not super long and in my opinion quite maneuverable light and compact enough for tight spaces while still having excellent ballistic performance I think it’s best of both worlds but I see the point to be made for a 14.5 inch barrel or even an 11.5 inch barrel but any shorter than that I’d just call it a personal preference than to try to argue it’s effectiveness in any way
They've been restricted since 1934 in the U.S. but you can still submit an application to buy one or to build one. I plan on making my own. As long as Uncle Sam gets your money for a tax stamp, you can own one once your paperwork gets approved. It's considered a short-barrelled shotgun if the barrel is less than 18" OR the overall length is less than 26". Rifles also need to be at least 26" long, but the barrels only need to be 16". It was 18" for rifles too, then the government let people buy surplus M1 carbines that only had 17.75" long barrels. The government was violating the NFA by letting people buy short-barreled rifles, so they changed the law and said rifles only needed to have 16" barrels.
You didn't tell us anything specific about the range or lethal potential of a sawn off shotgun (sawed off is only a term used by individuals with a poor grasp of the English language) versus a normal legally barreled shotgun. I believe this video was more to score likes and hits than to provide any useful information on the topic.
In the game barotrauma the boom stick [probably a reference to army of darkness] it is a potant gun but chews up ammo and its a sci-fi gun so I can see it being an old hunting gun that was cut down due to the cramped spaces of the sub
I understand the anarchist sentiment but think about what you even mean by that. You are literally a governor of your own personal property up until the point where the bigger government can project authority, coerce or gain cooperation. Should we get rid of you? Or prevent you from turning too much property into personal or private property that you become a bigger governor? Individuals are fundamentally different to governments, but they tend to develop alongside concentrations of people for a reason.
I find it funny how most banned weapons are actually the most useless and least dangerous compared to some that are legal. "Switchblades" for example. Illegal in my state because they're "scary" but utterly useless, even in a self defense situation. If you hit the blade against some hard enough (i.e. stabbing), the spring inside will break and the knife will be rendered useless. I found this out when I broke my $200 Microtech on a damn pumpkin. A full tang hunting knife is far more dangerous and deadly than any so-called "switchblade". Don't even get me started on suppressors... Oh sorry, I mean "silencers" that indeed do NOT make a gun silent. They just make it bulky and harder to conceal and manipulate. Sometimes they even weigh down the barrel and prevent the slide from chambering another round. Lastly, there's brass knuckles. Obviously they can cause some serious damage, but then again... so can a rock. And who the hell is actually using a pair of brass knuckles? All these things that are illegal and supposedly "dangerous" aren't worth any more than their cool factor. Which is all people buy them for anyway
Shotguns with very short barrels are legal to own here in South Africa, assuming you went through the proper licensing process, but it wouldn't be different to any other firearm in that regard. You could even have a barrel shortened, as long as it's done by a licensed gunsmith and you inform the CFR of the alteration made. There are no special taxes or anything you have to pay like the NFA requires in the USA.
Your spread is determined by your muzzle's bore dimensions, not your barrel length. A sawed off is open choke aka cylinder bore, which gives the same spread from a 10" barrel as it would a 30" barrel. You can have any length barrel choked to whatever choke dimensions suit you. The reason full size shotguns have differnt barrel lengths is because they swing and lead diffently. It has nothing to do with range.
The laws in Canada are kind of funny - as long as a shotgun is MANUFACTURED to be a total of 26.5" long (with stock), the barrel length doesn't matter. You can buy a double-barrel with 12" barrels legally - as long as it was made that way and not cut down.
There are guns for sale today in the US that looks like a sawed off shotgun but isnt because it was manufactured that way by design and is classed as a “firearm” whereas a sawed off shot gun is a normal shotgun that has been altered into illegal dimensions by an individual. The legal version was never any other weapon before. The receiver/ frame is newly manufactured along with all its other components. And so legal, and just as lethal as a sawed off shotgun.
We got fucked over by the Supreme Court because they also accepted the argument being that sawed off weapons weren't being used in trenches and had the bias of the judges being veterans. Little did the dumb judges know, sawed off weapons were very common in ww1 and the judges being non gunowners and fudds, had forgot that people were sawing their rifles in the trenches.
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !" Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam ." Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!" Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window ? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..." Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!" Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky." Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction." Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"
The problem is in portability and convenience. Most of these have relatively low capacity. Would be great in a tight space. Would be perfect for most home defense. Would be easier to live with one of those versus a long arm. Looks like a lot of fun to shoot, too.
A couple of men robbed a jewelry store with airsoft guns decades ago. Within a week of that incident some plucky lawmaker successfully got airsoft guns banned in my country to this day. In fact all imitation guns are considered as firearms so pointing a toy gun at another person can be construed as law breaking. The authorities cracked down on gel guns just before the pandemic while online sellers have to avoid calling their shell-ejecting foam shooting devices as toy guns.
You can easily (in the USA anyway) buy a 14" barrel shotgun right off a dealer's rack, no NFA paperwork, nothing different than buying any other civilian firearm. Everyone needs one.
American Gun Craft makes an 11" black powder 12 GA double barrel pistol. With each barrel loaded with 27 pellets of #4 buckshot and 70 gr of FFFg it is a fight stopper. You can order it online and have it delivered to your home. It's beside me at my desk, and it's my truck gun.
Sawn off shotguns aren't banned in every country. In many countries the modification wouldn't make them illegal the overall length would, so if it's sawn off it can still be legal in many countries.
The American National Firearms Act (1934) was intended to treat pistols as if they were machine guns. Pistols were the "evil" weapon of choice for people with crime on the mind. That intention was cancelled because the sponsors of the new law refused to share power--but remaining in the law were pistol substitutes: short barrel rifles and sawed-off shotguns. Any gun under 26 inches (about 68 cm) was deemed "concealable" and therefore "regulated." Along with this was a restriction on short barrels. When a criminal couldn't get a pistol, they'd substitute another firearm, often cutting down barrel and buttstock. This practice continues to the present. In 2009 I witnessed federal agents bringing confiscated criminally modified guns to a National Guard garage for destruction. The US ban on sawed off shotguns is a remnant of a failed pistol ban.
Short barreled shotguns were not included in the NFA because of any particular association with crime, that is a myth, the real reason they, along with short barreled rifles, were included was because the NFA was originally going to apply to pistols as well, as they were the weapon most associated with crime, it was thought that people would find a loophole around this by sawing off their shotgun or rifle to give it the same concealability as a pistol. At the last second, the NRA lobbied to have the regulation on pistols removed, but the part about short barreled rifles and shotguns was kept for some reason.
Source: ua-cam.com/video/lsE0naVApPU/v-deo.html
Not a firearms expert here but a political science and nursing major (never put All your eggs in one basket especially when the classes ain't that expensive, University of Texas for the win)
The reason is quite simple, the politicians of the time had already made too much noise about the new law, usually what would happen is that the law would have been quietly killed without people ever hearing about it, politics are at the end of the day just a Play, a game of popularity, so if nobody knows nobody cares, and if nobody cares you don't have voters going to your opponent or forcing you out of whatever office you might hold.
the problem is the NRA took too long, too many politicians had demonized fire arms and had made their career around this law, it was way too public to simply kill it since a lot of people's careers wouldn't survive the backlash.
So the law was nerfed tremendously, it no longer included handguns and it made it relatively easy to get the stamp to buy or modify a rifle into an SBR.
Honestly politicians don't care about gun laws or gun violence, it's just another card to play, another sheath of music for the masses, We have A population of 300 million, do you honestly think they care about a couple thousand dead every year? No it doesn't even show up in the freaking death stats, like we're talking about something like 7 or 10 out of 100,000 people, That is such an infinitely small percentage as to be considered a rounding error and yet the gun debate takes up around 50% of screen time in politics.
It's literally the definition of a free point, it's a useless, insignificant debate point that affects such a tiny percentage of people that win or lose it doesn't matter, And that's why it's so popular because it doesn't matter but everyone will gladly pick a side and spend All of their time arguing about it and ignore arguments that actually affect people, like The absolutely disastrous state of healthcare in the US, or the ensuing Housing crisis, or even the ever growing cost of higher education and the ever decreasing value of a college diploma.
Nice to know, sounds about right really.
You know too much about this topic
Do you believe government works for you an individual citizen? Are still that childish? End goal of any government is disarm citizens completely because how they gonna enslave them as perfectly like North Korea. You all expect a dacoit who loots less then what could be looted in an invasion and protects only because invader gonna wack them first as your wellwisher Or someone like a parent.
"Sawed off" shotguns are illegal and dangerous. Until you pay your tax stamp, then they are legal and just fine. (US only).
Is that right? I don't exactly know what a tax stamp is. (Probably just a way of showing you were taxed I imagine). But if you go by the 2A, then everything is legal right? The 2A doesn't say "well you can have this gun, but not that other one.." or "you can definitely have one cannon, but not two!" God the left must go ape shit over the fact that they can't restrict gun ownership unless of course your middle name is Hunter!
bang bang got mine
They're always dangerous.
@@THE-X-Force way to miss the point
@@THE-X-Force So is every gun.
They were the go-to weapons for bank robbers and hardcore thugs here in the UK, in the post war decades.
You dont really see them used anymore but in 70s they were ubiquitous. A famous career criminal MacVicar used one in post officer robberies. Famously he would usually walk in, announce it was a robbery, and then shoot someone at random. He was in and out before anyone realised that he would load the cartridges with a reduced powder load and rocksalt. Im sure it wasnt very pleasant but at least nobody sustained permanent injury.
Everyone would feel it but one drops and the next shell's live?
@@GoHomeKamala Who wants to be the 2nd person to get shot?
Not me...
I love the McVicar movie, must have watched it 10 times.
@@Wheres_the_money_lebowski ~ "Sex case, sex case, hang him hang him hang him..."
And now, knife crime has skyrocketed in the UK, and the people have only cameras to defend themselves with. And they would rather film an attacker attacking a victim rather than assist the victim fight off the attacker.
in 5 minutes any shotgun can be sawed off. Laws affect only the law abiding.
Better make mrdr legal then.
@@DanJuega Murder is legal. As long as you have a badge.
@@franklofarojr.2969and good reason
Hacksaw and a file to make the end look nice!
5 whole minutes... you need to use a new hacksaw blade.
Save your time, this video tells you nothing, watch another one.
Yeah, which one?
When I was a kid (10-11), my uncle had a sawed off shotgun. He told me that it was illegal. I asked him why and he said because it was easy to hide.
Really narcin on your unc
@@VeryGemmy That was decades ago. Besides, he's an asshole anyway.
@TheLoverOfYourMother1Oh no. Please don't tell anyone.
@TheLoverOfYourMother1 Hell, the statute of limitations was up 35+ years ago anyway.
@TheLoverOfYourMother1 100% OF GUN LAWS IN AMERICA ARE ILLEGAL TREASON. IMBUE THAT INTO THE FOUNDATION OF YOUR PSYCHE! DO NOT LET THEM CONTINUE TO GASLIGHT AND LIE AND PRETEND THAT TAKING YOUR RIGHTS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH PROTECTING ANYONE
YOU WANA KNOW WHY THERE IS SO MUCH GUN CRIME, LOOK TO THE APS THE KIDS ARE ON AND PROGRAMS LIKE MK ULTRA, plus all the absentee parents....
ALL GUN LAWS ARE TREASON
FIGHT THEM, LIKE OUR VERY COUNTRY, SOUL, CHILDREN, AND LIVES DEPEND ON IT
MANY MEN HAVE DIED FOR YOU TO HAVE THOSE FREEDOMS AND RIGHTS
Short barreled, short-gripped shotguns are widely available in the US and perfectly legal in any number of states. The Mossberg Shockwave, Remington TAC-13 & TAC-14, and Charles Daly Defense Honcho are, for all intents and purposes, sawed off shotguns and you can buy them just about anywhere in Texas.
Those aren't sawed off shotguns those are "firearms" and recently AOW's with the new brace decision if braces are installed
@@Mikhail-Tkachenko
walks like a duck
sounds like a duck
Swims like a duck.
Shit that's a chicken.
I love how that works.
My favourite is the OA-15 the 1997 vs the 1998.
A ar-15 pistol which was banned in the 1998 assault weapons laws. But all the did was read the new laws and change 4 of the 5 requirements.
Weight of gun , detachable magazine, muzzle brake and ?????
Same gun 1 year later just need a Dremel and a drill to install a new magazine catch and cut of some JB weld.
And then at the same time they banded the Terminator a single shot break action 12 gauge shotgun because it had features on there list.
Funny how that works.
To very different guns but both as dangerous as each other...........hard to believe a single shot is anywhere near a sem auto.
@@JackTalyorD Mikhail-Tkachenko is the same guy who screams that Jack Daniels isn't a bourbon.
@@bdwilcox I would call it horse piss.
But what they say in ,all bourbon is whiskey, but not all whiskey is bourbon.
All 12 inch shotguns are SBR but not all SBR are saw offf..
I was trying for something there don't think it works....... Some stupid thing of if it never had a stock or long barrel as manufacturers then it's NFA ..... Same reason why you register a 40mm as a machine gun rather than a destructive device.
A machine gun can be any size but anything over 12.5 mm is a DD ....so you can own a machine gun but not a DD .
@@bdwilcox which I find hillaurs that you can't own a 20 mm skr Russian pump shot gun but you can own a 20 mm auto AA gun.
Or you can own a 50mm(???I forget) Hunting shot gun but along as it black powder then it's just a small cannon.
You can own cannons and machine guns and AA guns but a 12 inch 20mm pump shotgun is where they draw the line.....
As a legal sawn-off owner I can garuntee you that short barreled shotguns DO NOT have a significantly larger spread.
There's no choke, but the pattern isn't any wider than it is out of an 18-26" barrel without choke (aka: cylinder bore).
I have tested this quite extensively. It's a total myth. I can easily shoot skeet just fine with my sawn off.
The same is even true with rifles. Short barrels are just as accurate but have a bit less maximum range. Technically, 10-12" rifle barrels experience less variance/drift, have better harmonics, and less "barrel whip" than a 16-20" barrel does.
@@dark2023-1lovesoni It also can spread depending how the end is cut. The last 4 inches(or4 lengths of the projo) of a rifle matters more than what was before that 4 inches.
Well, yeah, if the barrel isn't properly crowned, it can damage accuracy. Just cutting a barrel with a hacksaw is unlikely to be a straight or clean cut. However, if you REALLY want to increase the spread significantly use a rifled barrel or rifled choke. These are commonly meant to be used with non-rifled slugs but they will force the shotcup to spin and produce a wildly large spread. The only issue is that it's a bit random. The spread might be off to the right on one shot and then to the left on the next. All of the .410 revolvers have rifled barrels and therefore present similar randomized wide spread patterning with standard shot loads.
nor is it hard to get a extorsion stamp for it. my last 2 form 1s took 10 business days.
@nickmcdonald8674 you don't lose as much velocity in a 10.5 inch barrel as you think. I'm still at 2600 with a suppressor. I train alot and have deployed as a sniper team leader. I got no problem going to work with an sbr and engaging targets past 300
" Sawed off shotgun hand on the pump, sippin on a 40 smokin on a blunt"
~Confucius
Sounds like some of that funky Cypress Hill Sh..
Pistol grip pump on my my lap at all times..............
@@BETTERWORLDSGT Redman from the song The Rocwiller featuring Method Man
@@bronxishomenomatterwhereig3149 it's a Cypress Hill lyric from 1991
@@herson7171 Well I just got schooled. Thanks for the correction.
Almost all guns seem to be mostly illegal in most countries except the US.
In the UK I only ever knew of people in the countryside owning a small 22 rifle or (long) shotgun. Japan only allows shotguns (with a hard to get license) and China doesn't even allow people to speak (or leave their homes sometimes).
Here in Czechia it is not terribly hard to get a license, at least for pistols and semiauto rifles.
China just has mass stabbings...
that is completely untrue. in the vast majority of (civilized) countries you can legally own guns. the process of acquiring one legally might just be lengthier and/or costlier depending on the country in particular.
ah, i'm not counting the UK as a civilized country by the way.
You'd have far fewer violent crimes in Britain if the citizens were allowed to carry and fire at will.
Criminals: Use a gun.
Politicians: Well, guess no one can use it now
Funniest part is that the criminals don't care about laws anyway, so now it's primarily criminals using these banned or restricted weapons :)
@@alexithymia6288 But still countrys withe strickter gun laws have far lower murder and crime rates. Funny right?
Literally this is Europe.
Whole Europe is like this, can't have freedom m8
Sounds like infringement to me
There are some sawed off shotguns that don't necessarily have to be NFA
There's some loopholes in the NFA where they call certain guns quote firearms
Things like the Mossberg shockwave and Henry 410 axe come with short barrels from the factory and basically considered pistols under the law
However if I took a regular shotgun and sawed it off myself that would be a felony because apparently you cannot take a rifle or a shotgun and configure it into a pistol under the 1934 NFA
Technically, any gun that fires a shotshell but has never had a stock (from the factory) and is at least 26" total length isn't considered a pistol, shotgun, or rifle. It's legally just a "firearm" (which has no barrel length requirement). To legally be a shotgun or rifle it must be fireable from the shoulder, meaning it has a stock. Technically, smoothbore pistols are also NFA items, that's why the Tarus Judge and all .410 revolvers have rifled barrels.
Lastly, you CAN legally cut any shotgun or rifle down to any length you like. You just have to register it under the NFA as an SBR/SBS first (Short Barrel Rifle/Shotgun).
This is done using an ATF Form 1 and only cost $200. Lastly, they generally approve these requests in under 45 days.
The Shockwave isn't considered a pistol it's an "Any other weapon" by law. Also not a sawn off, just short barreled
@@dark2023-1lovesoni yeah no thanks I don't wanna pay $200 for a stamp that gives me permission to exercise what should be my rights.
And if I get denied after waiting for months for bureaucrats to actually do anything what's to stop them from busting down my door? because I just told them I had a firearm that I intended to turn into a NFA item.
not only that I'm also volunteering to put on a list and fingerprinted?!? And now this puts a target on my back because I can't so much as breathe around a police officer because they are just begging to have a reason to confiscate and destroy those NFA items.
And now the government not only knows who I am they also know what guns I have so that they eventually confiscate them when Washington finally gets the balls to do it which probably won't be for a long time or might never happen but let's not get too optimistic. prepare for the worst hope for the best.
Really it's just a headache and not even really worth the effort especially when your tax stamp cost about as much as some of cheap shotguns people like to cut down for this reason
@@illeagle9560 Shockwaves are a firearm not an AOW by law. AOW's are an NFA weapon and require a tax stamp and be registered.
@@bad74maverick1 ahhh I thought you needed a stamp for them too, thank you for the correction boss
Demolition ranch debunked your statement in a recent video, sawed off shotguns still have a decent effective range and the shot does not spread as much as games and movies make it seem
Demo ranch is ghay
Video games nerf shotguns to gave a range of 2 neters in every game because they'd be op
Yeah they had to literally saw it off to like 2 inches for it to be even remotely close
@@clydedoris5002 except Siege. That game does justice to shotguns without making them underpowered or overpowered
@@GameFuMasteryeah right, they shoot at five meters max instead. Just a bit more and you’d be better sticking to an smg
The most legendary sawed of shotgun in gaming has to be the one from Doom.
Doom 2
@SuperBozz BOOM BOOM
*BOOM* clack cluck clack
sawed on from ultrakill
Blood
In the US anybody with a mailing address can have a short barrel shotgun or pistol that can be purchased online by any person 18 years of age. They have pistol versions too. They are legal to own an any part of the US including California, I think. But these sawed off shotguns are black powder muzzle loaders. Black powder guns are not classified as a firearm so they can be purchased online and delivered to one's mailing address or home.
You can easily get a short barrel shotgun in the US. There are multiple shogun shell firing guns that have a barrel length under 18 inches and an overall length of 26 inches, but aren’t considered shotguns. They are non NFA firearms and are only labeled “firearm”. Not a shotgun, rifle, or pistol. Just a “firearm”.
You can also get a double barrel 12 gauge black powder pistol that isn’t considered a firearm and will ship straight to your door. They are muzzleloaders but still really cool and very fun sawed off shotguns.
I own 3
What makes are used for home self defense I need a short one
@@Demy1970 uhm……….if you’re asking who makes them than a very popular and fairly affordable shotgun would be the mossberg 590 shockwave.
I carry a 6" SxS. She goes boom when I need her to.
Most video games assume the shot gun becomes MORE powerful as you cut it down.
Makes you wonder why they think long-barreled shotguns exist at all, let alone are so widely used in both sporting and military applications.
@@cigoLxeLlonger barrels increase effective range
You can hit more vital point if you're at close range.
why ban a shotgun thats worse than its original version, short barrel doesnt equal better
In truth: it just makes it a little more easy to maneuver around tight spaces and corners.
In Canada you can have a short barreled break action shotgun but only so long as the overall length is roughly 30" (so a full shoulder stock and a 10" barrel would be legal) and it comes from the factory with the short barrel. Cutting the barrels down on your own or going to a gunsmith get it done is illegal. So like most gun laws it was written by politicians who don't understand them to reassure people that "something is being done about gun crime".
You can cut your own barrel as long as it's over 18.5 inches.
@@Tinkering902 That was the rule but the way Trudeau is going I wouldn't rely on that. Retroactive legislation is one of his things.
So you got a 20 inch stock and a 10 inch barrel lol
Ruby ridge was due to a sawed off shotty. Of course it was the result of small town gossip.
@@wannabecarguy it was because he fell for a trap and sawed it off a millimeter under the legal limit. The informant had to pesture him 3 times to shave off 1 more millimeter and dumbass randy weaver never bothered to ask himself why the hell the informant wanted it reduced by a millimeter so damn badly
Effective, cheap, available.
Every house should own one lol
Good home protection. I would just hate cleaning up the mess.
Time to repeal the NFA and dissolve the ATF. Any and all restrictions on firearms are unconstitutional.
I hope you carry that attitude if you ever cross the border into Canada. A long jail sentence is what you will get. You have no idea how many stupid Americans cross the border with concealed/undeclared weapons thinking that a permit issued in butt fuk Texas has any clout in a foreign country with sane gun laws.
It's not illegal in the US, just have to register it as an SBS (Short-Barrel Shotgun) and pay a $200 tax.
oh, where did you learn that?
@@RickMyBalls Common knowledge in the gun community. Check out any of the NFA or firearms subreddits to see folks who have gone though the process and share them.
True dat
@@RickMyBalls Try putting your phone down for 5 minutes.
@@Mrmajellan123 Donoe had thumb anjoe duss we be trippin like a mutha fka.
Sawn off shotguns are not illegal or banned in the US. They are typically an NFA weapon that needs to be registered as an SBS or AOW depending on certain factors.
You can own an AC-130 fully armed in the USA, you just need to pay a ton for licensing and tax
Hahahaha.
That's a funny joke.
@@UtubeH8tr it's a fact
@@bad74maverick1
That's why it's funny.
You honestly think it's successfully enforceable?
*mossberg 590 Shockwave has entered chat*
Sawed off shotguns were the excuse the ATF needed, which led up to the Ruby Ridge debacle.
Well, I don't like gun control laws, but I also don't like ruining good weapons.
Like the one in Mad Max, and the one in the old game "Doom" but especially the one residing in my pickup.
Back when I was 16, I bought a sawed off 12 gauge from one of the managers at the movie theatre I worked at. Paid $15. Pulled it out at the public gun range and got some hilarious looks, lol. Eventually, I sold to the police at a gun buy-back for $150. Thanks Greg
How far aspread was the time between when you bought the piece and when u sold-back it?
No worries!
Because people allowed the Government to infringe in their Rights, that's why.
the one and only true reason
Why is the gun the only constitutional right that everyone will fight for? Out of all the amendments of the constitution. It's the only right everyone will go crazy over.
@@edwardchristian9529 because as soon as that amendment is taken away, the overreaching government can take all the rest away.
@ImmaSayKOOHWIP im black I totally understand what your saying. My issue is if the constitution trumps all in this country why not all the amendments get the same fight?
@@edwardchristian9529 every one of em deserves to be fought for, but the 2nd one is the one they wanna take first. which is why in today's world it needs a lil more attention
It all started with the blunderbuss. Usually they had larger than a 12 gauge bore and they were almost always filled with several buck shot or any type of metal chunks they had lying around. Over 70 caliber blunderbuss were very common in the 1700's and even the 1600's. Some were even 100 caliber, 12 gauge are only .729 caliber.
Yes but it's a myth that they'd be stuffed with nails or scrap metal.
Most of them had brass barrels. It would be sadistic to load it with anything harder than the barrel material. Most of the online "facts" about blunderbuss use are just repeating the same myths over and over.
For instance, "nails", as we know them, did not exist in the 1500s.
Nails had to be made by hand, one at a time. This is why older homes were built without nails. During the revolutionary War, Washington's troops would recover any nails from the ashes after a fort or settlement was burned.
Nails were expensive.
What that means is, even if the owner really didn't care about destroying their barrel, it is extremely unlikely that he'd have access to enough random nails that he'd get the idea to use them as ammo. Unless he was a blacksmith or ferrier, engaged in the reshoe of horses' hooves.
I have seen several loaded with nails and rocks.
@ignaciobriceno9870 yes, in modern times. Nobody would have done that when the blunderbus was common.
By the 1700s, that barrel shape was seldom produced any longer. Being good with any muzzleloading weapon means having to consistently recreate the same load and projectile weights/type. This is impossible if you are loading your barrel with just anything you happen to find. Flintlocks weren't cheap, and they take a long time to shoot. People weren't going to Cabelas and getting a blackpowder blunderbus for 1/4 week's pay like itnwas 2007.
These things were like a year's salary when they were being made.
Nobody is going to spend a year's salary on a machine, and then ram rocks down the brass barrel, ruining the machine and the chance of hitting their target with a known outcome.
@@RequisiteFunction "Nobody would have done that." When you ran out of ammo and it is the difference between life and death people will try anything. Also, these were very often used in close combat because they had limited accuracy, they weren't rifled, they rarely hit what they were aiming at over 15 feet. It was to prevent someone from getting close enough to use their sword on you, and 15 feet is further than someone can stab you from.
How did they make ships back then without nails?
@@RequisiteFunction
Abolish the ATF.
Perfectly legal in Poland, as long as such modification doesn't change the gun's caliber and/or purpose
Edit: such modification is illegal if it also changes the gun type
Sawing of a shotguns isnt illegal anywhere, IMHO. What happens is that there is a minimum requirement on how small a shotgun can be, aa sawing of is usually done to carry the shotgun below that range.
@@CUSELİSFAN Our laws don't have such thing as "gun size/length", it's about the gun's caliber/gauge (shotguns only).
@@rockid7970 I've cheked the Polish gun laws a bit on the internet. It seems that the rules are more concerned with the gun owner, not the gun itself. Interesting.
@@CUSELİSFAN Yeah, there are also different types of licenses
Poland has relaxed its gun laws over the years they are becoming more prevalent
Something video games don't teach you : The stress of reloading a shotgun one shell at a time
With training, tube-fed shotguns don’t take long at all to reload. Magazine fed shotguns are becoming more popular as well.
Better than a single action revolver; with practice you can top off the tube between shots.
With practice it can be done or use a speed loader for tube fed and I have seen plent of videos where guys and gals feed 2 shells at a time into a double barrel break action shotgun
Switch to sidearm
Shotguns have a looong reload time in games and usually you don’t fill them to capacity when you’re in “danger”. I’m really not sure why someone would need a shotgun. When I think of a shotgun, it would be to ensure what I’m firing at dies. I’d imagine you’d only need one or two shots to kill or incapacitate with most respectably sized handgun rounds. Using a shotgun might be better suited to defend against bigger animals, sure, but most situations wouldn’t require more than a personal sidearm… and those situations may never arise in your life if you’re smart, respectful, and talk things over.
Never heard of the Stalker series but the Evil Dead franchise has had a sawn off Shotgun as one of the corner pieces of Ash’s Arsenal since the second movie and was even a prominent weapon in all of the video games!
Bruce uses a different gun in each of the Evil Dead movies. A generic single-shot 20-gauge in TED (possibly a Harrington & Richardson, but don't quote me on that), a Stevens 311 in ED2:DbD (barrels trimmed from 28" down to about 12" which you shouldn't and can't really do with a chainsaw, plus you need to sand the burs off the muzzles afterward), and an IGA/Stoeger Coach Gun (20" barrels) in AoD.
"Bruce Campbell is the finest man to grace a silver screen." ~Psychostick
I never heard of Stalker either but I do remember one of the first to use it FPS Wolfenstein the orginal
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is great and y'all sleepin' on it
My shot gun now identifies as a wireless security apparatus 😂😂😂
How about you identify as funny the next time?
"the right to bear arms shall not be infringed"
unless its an assualt rifle or a high cap magazine or a sawed off shotgun or if you are near a school or if you have forbidden kind of ammo and you have our permission and you keep the gun and ammo in sperate places locked up and as long as its not something military might use like grenades or missles or something and of course as long as you pay a 200$ tax for each item and as long as its used only for sport or self defense inside your house and you pass a back ground check each time you get one
freedom "you keep using that word i do not think it means what you think it means."
The sawed off is for the up close and personal dispatch of unwanted pests.
When are you going to review the only weapon allowed in your country, the spoon?
Sporting rifles and shotguns are permitted in Russia with fewer obstacles than in Great Britain AFAIK
Lmao 🤣
Yes, every time someone eats ice cream with a spoon is killing themself!
Swiss Army knife. lol.
They're perfectly legal in the US if you pay the tax
I hate it when youtubers are wasting time with unecessary context before getting to the point.
I'm in Canada. We can't peacefully protest, we can't bash Trudeau online, we can't do plenty of things here BUT we CAN buy short barreled shotguns
*Trudolf
That Trudeau is a disgrace.
@@af7119 and nobody is talking about the WEF
Where in Canada are you? Peaceful protests happen everyday in Montreal and Toronto, and everywhere else in Canada. As for bashing Trudeau, it seems to be a national pastime...
@@louisjutras1 because he's worthy of every bit of it. Lied about guns, locked people down. True swamp rat.
One way to make a "shorty" type of shotgun (whether sawed-off or made short) with a stockless pistol grip more ergonomic is to give it a rubberized grip with a contoured backstrap. Don't know why that's not a regular thing.
0:20 That's not a sawed-off. Bruce used a different shotgun in each of the Evil Dead movies. That one's an IGA/Stoeger Coach Gun. It's not a Remington like he says. Remington hasn't made a side-by-side in a long time. Remington sporting doubles certainly aren't budget-priced like he describes. Anyway, that Coach Gun he's brandishing has 20" barrels, a standard blued finish, Brazilian hardwood stock (and forearm), and double triggers. But it IS a 12-gauge double-barrel, so at least he got that much right. You don't really want a hair trigger anyway.
0:27 That one's a Stevens 311. Ash trims the barrels down from 28" to somewhere in the neighborhood of 12", something you can't really do with a chainsaw. IRL, it would ruin the barrel(s) AND the chain. Plus, whenever you shorten the barrel of a firearm (legal within certain parameters, mostly pertaining to barrel length and overall length, and typically done with smoothbore shotgun barrels), you have to sand off any burs that remain on the muzzle, as you would do after trimming ordinary metal pipes or whatnot.
1:00 Just under a foot, so my estimate was basically correct.
1:09 Those look like 20-inchers.
2:28 That's not how you do a McMillan Tilt.
2:39 If they're in possession of their senses, sure. But what if they're on PCP? I once read an article in a '90s issue of 'Guns and Weapons for Law Enforcement' on police combat shotguns and it mentioned a case where a perp took a buckshot blast to the chest that shredded their heart, but they were still able to run an entire city block before their body gave out (because drugs).
3:58 Or short-barrel shotgun (SBS). If it's made short, it's called a "short-barrel shotgun." If it has a short barrel and a stock, and it follows the design pattern of a proper combat shotgun, then it's called an "entry gun." Entry guns are ideal for home D-FENS.
4:04 (26")
4:07 Which is unconstitutional.
4:25 Which is also unconstitutional and serves as further proof that "Big Law" is in cahoots with "Big Money." It's all a scam that allows the government to bilk more money from The People like the parasitic Leviathan it is.
4:32 How much sense does it make that we have to pay MORE money for LESS gun?! 🤣
5:00 Vietnam War-era U.S. officer's OD green raincoat. Same kind of coat worn by Michael Biehn in 'The Terminator' and Richard Crenna in 'First Blood'. Kyle Reese even carried his Ithaca 37 M&P using a makeshift version of basically that same type of rig. That wasn't a sawed-off or short-barrel, though. He only cut off the stock to make it easier to stash under that coat. The gun depicted there counts as an entry gun since it has a stock. Hard to tell if the barrel was made short to begin with or if it was manually shortened. Police armorers can do that, btw.
5:21 False. Shortening the barrel doesn't really loosen the pattern. You do lose velocity, though, partially thanks to the relatively slow-burning nature of the powder used in shotgun shells.
7:19 The shot is sill contained in a wad. Really, it's the presence or absence of a choke that tightens or loosens the pattern.
7:44 That's about the maximum spread you get at room-length distances regardless of barrel length.
7:48 Good ol' S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl! Probably the best depiction of a "rabbit-ear" sidelock style of side-by-side ("rabbit ears" = double hammers, sidelock = older and more complex design than a boxlock, more Old West-style). That one there is a TOZ-66. Some mods have the full-length version as well as the trimmed-down one. Some mods put sawed-off shotguns in your pistol slot, and if they also have functional vehicles, that means you can wield a sawed-off shotgun while driving just like Mad Max! Yes, I can provide proof. 😁
7:57 Fact. I call that particular shotgun "Ol' Rabbit-Ears."
8:29 Most realistic depiction of a rabbit-ear type of side-by-side. Too bad they screwed it up in 'Clear Sky' and left it screwed up in 'Call of Pripyat'. Those hammers are made to be thumbed back with the thumb, not palmed back with the palm!
8:32 Breach-loaders don't have magazines. You load cartridges directly into the breach.
Remington did import Baikal shotguns that are pretty awesome for a few years. Even in coach guns styles with rabbit ears. That's what Hickok had. Maybe not that short. Anyway, they were great for the money and I have one as a field piece. There is no real reason for them on the NFA. They don't do much more damage, just makes them portable. It's like an SBD (SBR).
@@briangomoll5965 What's the latest double-barrel Remington has made? I'm guessing it's an over/under, likely available in different grades of fanciness. There's the Peerless, but I don't know if that's the latest.
I appreciate you for this very post.
Lots of people seem dangerously misinformed on shotguns, their lethality, and effective range.
When he said a sawed-off was only effective out to around 5 meters, I cringed so hard I almost dislocated my iaw.
@@martindrengenxbox360 Right?! A way-too-short barrel will cause a loss of damage potential, though, and a loss of effective range, but not due to any loosening of the pattern. That effect can be achieved with a rifled bore which has the opposite effect on a shot cluster as it has on a slug. Since shotgun shells use low-pressure/slow-burning powders (compared to rifle powders), a barrel that's too short or too long will affect performance. But on a combat shotgun, that's not usually a big deal since you still get plenty of punch, so a 14" barrel is perfect.
Its his BOOMSTICK! ATTENTION SCREW HEADS ha ha ha What a great movie. And all the shots he got off with it at the end of the movie and the old lady wasn't dead yet. What a bitch!
Why? Because they do not understand the meaning of "shall not be infringed".
No it's the "well regulated militia" part that most gun morons don't understand. But hey, I don't live in your third world country with nukes.
The ATF: You can't own a sawed off shotgun because they're too dangerous.
Also ATF: You can own a sawed off shotgun as long as you register it with us and pay our $200 extortion tax.
They make sense just for convenience in portability. Like the carbine and the "ranch" or "scout" rifle are not full size, because you've got to pack it and lug it around.
Like a pistol for most purposes, it's not intended for any ranged engagement, but the same room or thrown rocks distance.
THEY ARE NOT ILLEGAL WORLDWIDE. You can own them in America as long as you register it as a short barrel shotgun.
You can even buy pre-made once and don't know about other EU countries, but I can actually get/make one as long as I follow the law.
@@watdaduckfuk Correct. SBRs and SBS's have more restrictive legislation. They are not banned though.
@@F4Insight-uq6nt In Poland there is no length distinction on any firearms, with stock or not whatever, only the caliber matters. No legal definition of an SBS or SBR exist. These are all equal to other firearms of the same caliber. And under the right licensing you can legally conceal carry short rifles and short shotguns, loaded and chambered. Also slap a suppressor, fore-grip, binary trigger, bump-stock and a drum-mag on if you fancy. Still legal for license holders.
200$ extortion payment
The reason we have laws on short-barreled rifles and short-barreled shotgun (or sawed off shotguns) was it because of gangsters it was too close a potential loophole to a law that had not gone into effect
The 1934 NFA which ads the tax stamp involves registration requirements to short barrel rifles in short barreled shotguns along with things like machine guns (which the registry was closed in 1986 preventing any new machine guns from being registered after that date) and suppressors as well as destructive devices (aka usually heavy explosives and things like grenade launchers)
However the original draft of the 1934 NFA had a provision to add handguns to this list but due to lobbying at the time they were removed. The law for short-barreled rifles and shotguns was originally meant to close a loophole because if handguns were banned people would just saw off rifles and shotguns. But they managed to keep the provision short-barreled rifles and shotguns in law because the politicians thought of them as gangster guns.
Meaning that the law does not make sense because if pistols are legal and rifles are legal why is the middle ground regulated? I would argue that a pistol is a far more practical weapon than a sawed shotgun And is even more concealable
Are you saying the reason we have extremely anti 2nd amendment laws is because criminals were following the laws at the time?
100% OF GUN LAWS IN AMERICA ARE ILLEGAL TREASON. IMBUE THAT INTO THE FOUNDATION OF YOUR PSYCHE! DO NOT LET THEM CONTINUE TO GASLIGHT AND LIE AND PRETEND THAT TAKING YOUR RIGHTS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH PROTECTING ANYONE
YOU WANA KNOW WHY THERE IS SO MUCH GUN CRIME, LOOK TO THE APS THE KIDS ARE ON AND PROGRAMS LIKE MK ULTRA, plus all the absentee parents....
ALL GUN LAWS ARE TREASON
FIGHT THEM, LIKE OUR VERY COUNTRY, SOUL, CHILDREN, AND LIVES DEPEND ON IT
MANY MEN HAVE DIED FOR YOU TO HAVE THOSE FREEDOMS AND RIGHTS
@@No-One.321 Very succinct. I couldn't give you more upvotes, so thank you for giving me this line, I will use it in the future.
This is incorrect information. In Canada you can legally buy a short barrel shot gun that is basically a sawed off shotgun.
Came here to say this.
Only if they are made that way. You can’t just take a shot gun and cut it down .
The main issue with them is their concealability, especially in countries where other concealable weapons, like pistols are restricted. The reason criminals used them as it was easier to saw off the abrrel of a shotgun then to get an illegal pistol in many countries.
A Street sweeper is far more dangerous than a sawed off shotgun. Used to be able to buy on the internet 30 years ago.
Yep, the worst weapon to defy the NFA/ATF with. Sub 16" rifles are much more practical
It used to be 18 for both rifles and shotguns but apparently because the government had a bunch of surplus m1 carbines they needed to get rid of that had 16 and a half inch barrels they changed the law I guess the government can change a law but only if it benefits them monetarily
I disagree 16-20 inch rifles have much better ballistic performance than anything 14 inch and below and are far more accurate at close and long range
@@dariodicarlo8745 I'm referring to NFA/ATF violations
@@dariodicarlo8745 that may be true for longer rifles but short rifles are light handy good for close-quarters because of size and maneuverability as well as being easier to transport making them great for bags or vehicles and while longer rifles are better for a good portion of applications every gun has a purpose
@@ThesupremeEDGElord I mean ig but it’s hard for me to think that as far as compact goes you’d need anything shorter than like 14.5 inch m4 barrel or mayb like an 11.5 inch car15 barrel going any shorter than that you basically lose all the ballistic advantages of a rifle I personally like 16 inch the most cause it’s not super long and in my opinion quite maneuverable light and compact enough for tight spaces while still having excellent ballistic performance I think it’s best of both worlds but I see the point to be made for a 14.5 inch barrel or even an 11.5 inch barrel but any shorter than that I’d just call it a personal preference than to try to argue it’s effectiveness in any way
They arent in America just need to pay a tax stamp
Idk man all these laws sound pretty Unconstitutional to me
Shotgun: *Kills you*
Sawn-off shotgun: *kills you, but more illegally*
They've been restricted since 1934 in the U.S. but you can still submit an application to buy one or to build one. I plan on making my own. As long as Uncle Sam gets your money for a tax stamp, you can own one once your paperwork gets approved. It's considered a short-barrelled shotgun if the barrel is less than 18" OR the overall length is less than 26". Rifles also need to be at least 26" long, but the barrels only need to be 16". It was 18" for rifles too, then the government let people buy surplus M1 carbines that only had 17.75" long barrels. The government was violating the NFA by letting people buy short-barreled rifles, so they changed the law and said rifles only needed to have 16" barrels.
Liberal: "Noooo! You can't make your gun shorter!"
2nd Amendment Enjoyers: "Hehe, gun go pow."
You didn't tell us anything specific about the range or lethal potential of a sawn off shotgun (sawed off is only a term used by individuals with a poor grasp of the English language) versus a normal legally barreled shotgun. I believe this video was more to score likes and hits than to provide any useful information on the topic.
In the game barotrauma the boom stick [probably a reference to army of darkness] it is a potant gun but chews up ammo and its a sci-fi gun so I can see it being an old hunting gun that was cut down due to the cramped spaces of the sub
I’ve always called rifles boom sticks.
Fun fact Is that the boom stick canonically has unlimited ammo
At least the Ash vs evil dead wiki says so
"Sawed off shotguns are out. People want a bit more range these days."
They are legal in Canada if they come from the factory sawed off.
Can buy a 9 inch sxs on a non restricted license
We really need to get the governments greedy claws out of our affairs.
lol feel free to not drive on roads or call the fire department if your house is on fire
I understand the anarchist sentiment but think about what you even mean by that. You are literally a governor of your own personal property up until the point where the bigger government can project authority, coerce or gain cooperation. Should we get rid of you? Or prevent you from turning too much property into personal or private property that you become a bigger governor? Individuals are fundamentally different to governments, but they tend to develop alongside concentrations of people for a reason.
The NFA is on life support. I hope it passes soon, and the ATF is dissolved. They should turn the building into a natural history museum.
That explains it, they are illegal because experts made them illegal.
I would have never guessed, you're amazing!
As I remember, it's the legislature that makes things illegal, meaning, if there wasn't a law against it, than it wouldn't be illegal, would it? DAH.
Because the US Supreme Court stated that a sawed-off shotgun was NOT a military grade weapon and thus could be banned. Look it up.
Very concealable, luckily there's loopholes to still legally own them.
"WHY ARE SAWED OFF SHOTGUNS ILLEGAL WORLDWIDE" Paranoia and totalitarianism.
Like Wendigoon once said “Using a sawn off isn’t really that big of a deal when you’re racking up multiple federal charges.”
“It’s illegal for your safety” riiiiiiiight
The Mossberg Shockwave is a Non NFA weapon. It has more range than some people think.
Kyle Reese, the most bad ass sawed off shotgun slinger
I find it funny how most banned weapons are actually the most useless and least dangerous compared to some that are legal.
"Switchblades" for example. Illegal in my state because they're "scary" but utterly useless, even in a self defense situation. If you hit the blade against some hard enough (i.e. stabbing), the spring inside will break and the knife will be rendered useless.
I found this out when I broke my $200 Microtech on a damn pumpkin.
A full tang hunting knife is far more dangerous and deadly than any so-called "switchblade".
Don't even get me started on suppressors...
Oh sorry, I mean "silencers" that indeed do NOT make a gun silent. They just make it bulky and harder to conceal and manipulate. Sometimes they even weigh down the barrel and prevent the slide from chambering another round.
Lastly, there's brass knuckles. Obviously they can cause some serious damage, but then again... so can a rock.
And who the hell is actually using a pair of brass knuckles? All these things that are illegal and supposedly "dangerous" aren't worth any more than their cool factor. Which is all people buy them for anyway
I was under the impression they were looked down upon because of concealability
I was not aware that sawed-off shotguns were a problem at this point
You're absolutely wrong they sell the shockwave which is a pistol grip short barrel shotgun
Not going to lie, banning a certain weapon just makes me want it even more, not saying I'm going to get one, just saying that I want it now
Shotguns with very short barrels are legal to own here in South Africa, assuming you went through the proper licensing process, but it wouldn't be different to any other firearm in that regard. You could even have a barrel shortened, as long as it's done by a licensed gunsmith and you inform the CFR of the alteration made. There are no special taxes or anything you have to pay like the NFA requires in the USA.
So that's at least 2 countries, because in Poland these are legal too.
"When I pull out my sawed off, bodies get hauled off." - Ice Cube
What you don't know about firearms could fill a library.
A twelve gauge sawed off will cover a 10x10 in ten feet area with # 4 pellets.
It doesn't have to be spot on to cause harm.
Your spread is determined by your muzzle's bore dimensions, not your barrel length. A sawed off is open choke aka cylinder bore, which gives the same spread from a 10" barrel as it would a 30" barrel.
You can have any length barrel choked to whatever choke dimensions suit you. The reason full size shotguns have differnt barrel lengths is because they swing and lead diffently.
It has nothing to do with range.
Remember kids, if you can pay a tax, it’s not a crime.
The laws in Canada are kind of funny - as long as a shotgun is MANUFACTURED to be a total of 26.5" long (with stock), the barrel length doesn't matter. You can buy a double-barrel with 12" barrels legally - as long as it was made that way and not cut down.
There are guns for sale today in the US that looks like a sawed off shotgun but isnt because it was manufactured that way by design and is classed as a “firearm” whereas a sawed off shot gun is a normal shotgun that has been altered into illegal dimensions by an individual. The legal version was never any other weapon before. The receiver/ frame is newly manufactured along with all its other components. And so legal, and just as lethal as a sawed off shotgun.
Originally they wanted to go after pistols but the supreme court wasn’t having it.
We got fucked over by the Supreme Court because they also accepted the argument being that sawed off weapons weren't being used in trenches and had the bias of the judges being veterans. Little did the dumb judges know, sawed off weapons were very common in ww1 and the judges being non gunowners and fudds, had forgot that people were sawing their rifles in the trenches.
Australia and the UK don;'t have hand guns, rifles, AK, AR, weapons in private ownership. That's Smart.
Come to Canada, everything is illegal but you can buy a factory built sawed off shotgun non- restricted.
I've had a sawed off shotgun pointed at me, it was meant for ill intent! That is something I can't ever forget.
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The problem is in portability and convenience. Most of these have relatively low capacity. Would be great in a tight space. Would be perfect for most home defense. Would be easier to live with one of those versus a long arm. Looks like a lot of fun to shoot, too.
Most game developers think all shotguns are sawed off shotguns, they usually have about a 3-5 meter range even with a long barrel xD
A couple of men robbed a jewelry store with airsoft guns decades ago. Within a week of that incident some plucky lawmaker successfully got airsoft guns banned in my country to this day. In fact all imitation guns are considered as firearms so pointing a toy gun at another person can be construed as law breaking. The authorities cracked down on gel guns just before the pandemic while online sellers have to avoid calling their shell-ejecting foam shooting devices as toy guns.
Because it makes the adopted men-babies to government daddy in the blue pajamas and the prosthetic badge-balls scared. Basic fact of why.
You can easily (in the USA anyway) buy a 14" barrel shotgun right off a dealer's rack, no NFA paperwork, nothing different than buying any other civilian firearm. Everyone needs one.
American Gun Craft makes an 11" black powder 12 GA double barrel pistol. With each barrel loaded with 27 pellets of #4 buckshot and 70 gr of FFFg it is a fight stopper. You can order it online and have it delivered to your home. It's beside me at my desk, and it's my truck gun.
Sawn off shotguns aren't banned in every country. In many countries the modification wouldn't make them illegal the overall length would, so if it's sawn off it can still be legal in many countries.
Any shotgun is potentially a sawed off shotgun in five seconds.
"Useless laws weaken the necessary laws"
In the USA short-barreled shotguns and short-barreled rifles are perfectly legal- you just need that tax stamp.
As far as I know, the ease of concealment and the increased spread are the most likely reasons for sawed-off shotguns to be illegal.
SAWED OFF SHOTGUN - The most manly item ever created
The American National Firearms Act (1934) was intended to treat pistols as if they were machine guns. Pistols were the "evil" weapon of choice for people with crime on the mind. That intention was cancelled because the sponsors of the new law refused to share power--but remaining in the law were pistol substitutes: short barrel rifles and sawed-off shotguns. Any gun under 26 inches (about 68 cm) was deemed "concealable" and therefore "regulated." Along with this was a restriction on short barrels. When a criminal couldn't get a pistol, they'd substitute another firearm, often cutting down barrel and buttstock. This practice continues to the present. In 2009 I witnessed federal agents bringing confiscated criminally modified guns to a National Guard garage for destruction.
The US ban on sawed off shotguns is a remnant of a failed pistol ban.
The first Watch Dogs had one, but it was a one star shotgun. I just liked using it because it looked like a pistol.