I came back and watched this again. Nobody realizes what it took over time to get this process down to flipping a few switches and hitting a button or two. Amazing technology.
DUDE THANK YOU! I love these little technical insight videos, puts a lot of context on what you're up to, and why, while we watch you fly the aircraft. One of my favorite things is Tech Tuesdays on Corporate Pilot Life, and I'm appreciative to have a little "how to" from you. Good stuff!
Max, you're bringing back many memories for me when I see you're in Erie, Pa. A friend of mine owned the flight school behind you there in the North Coast Air building. His Sea Ray cabin cruiser was docked next to mine at Bay Harbor Marina's East Basin. Many great memories of all the fun times on Lake Erie & the surrounding area. I lived onboard my boat for 7 years, from mid-April through the end of September. A great way to spend my summers.
I think like everything else it gets harder when there is a problem that needs solving. My theory of everything from aviation to heart surgery is that it all has to be teachable and learnable or nobody would ever do it.
Loved it Max .. little things like this that most would never get to fully appreciate so up close and personal ... i love the fact that you understand this and are so willing to share it with us ... Thank you
KERI my hometown.Nice place as long as you can handle 100+ inches of snow a year. The tower audio in the background indicated there was the usual runway 6/24 crosswind.
Really cool video. A video like this really emphasizes the experience of running a small jet, much different with a starter-generator spinning the turbine rather than using bleed air - both visually with electronics dimming, and aurally with the type of sound the starter makes, and hearing the electronic fans spin down as a ton of power is sent to the starter-generator. It's definitely a feeling that I haven't seen a flight sim capture very well yet.
Understood about half of what you said, I'm not real aviation tech savy, but I sure loved the sound of those engines starting up. Now to me, that was cool. Thanks
I have spent 3 yrs watching videos like this., just started my sport license, i dont think i could have gottent through the book work of the first 21hrs without videos like this... my instructor said he felt as if he was getting punked because i knew everything already...only problems so far are with radio and lingo
Didn’t see the n1 and fan spool up on the graphic close enough to see what was going on. Thanks Max for sharing how to start the Citation. It looks like a much cooler start up then on some of the smaller jets. I’ve seen some like the primier and gulfstream peg almost to the end of their safe zone before they begin to cool down to normal idle temp.
CitationMax I kinda wished I could have been there when Greg started spooling up his primier with a bunch of bees making a nest in one of his turbines.
Super helpful video. I noticed in the past you were pushing the power lever from OFF To IDLE fairly quickly after initiating the start. Now that I see it's fully automated, I understand why. It's not actually introducing fuel right away, it's just allowing it to add fuel when it's Darn Good and Ready(tm). Didn't know about the N1 requirement as the N2 spooled up, that's good to know. I also appreciated seeing the loads on the electrical system. 40 amp base draw, then 240 amps when the starter is engaged. Sure is different than the piston world! Thanks for the awesome walkthrough!
coma13794 glad you enjoyed it! And yes you’re correct! The faded tells the engine when to introduce the fuel. But it’s a fully automated system! Fuel pumps ignition etc.
Very cool! Starters draw batteries down from 25 volts to 15 during startup pulling 200-300amps, crazy amount of power required getting the turbine to spin up!
Hello, how are you? I have a question, I am a fan of your videos I want to ask you something I see that you fly many citation, and I saw that you took the cirrus vision jet course the question is, which of the two aircraft brands or manufacturers convinces you more in the Safety part, let me explain Cirrus, you can land by pressing an emergency button and you have a parachute. I really don't know with what security elements how much the citation is, being your pilot of both, which do you think is the safest of the two? Cirrus vision jet or citation and with which you feel safer to fly
Max, I just missed you. I go into Erie every month to visit my dad. Hopefully, this wasn't a one off. I'll have to keep an eye out for you. Great video.
I love this one too, Max. I've wanted to see someone run through the start sequence in the Citation. You lost me on the N1 and N2 speeds. Pausing the video I saw fuel flow, oil pressure and ignition but I still couldn't figure out the fan rotation speed and compressor speed. Where were you reading those numbers? Thanks Max. I love your videos! Keep them coming! Looking forward to flying my own M2! Oh, btw, are you tailwheel endorsed? Just curious. It's a totally different genre of flying but still really really fun!
Glad you enjoyed it! There were small numbers next to the engine instruments but maybe was hard to see sorry. And no I don’t have my tail wheel definitely would like to get it someday!!
I've seen a number of jet startup videos and it's interesting how they vary depending on the aircraft, mainly in what's manual and automatic. All jets seem to have the same startup sequence, (starter, N1 and N2 target speed, ignitor, fuel, monitor EGT and keep the starter on until N1 - or is it N2? - reaches 20-25%). The citation seems to automate the ignitor and starter shutoff, while some aircraft, like the UH6 helicopter, requires the pilot to manage all aspects of the start.
zachattack83 if we are at a big airport and it will be a long wait for takeoff we will start the right engine and do a single engine taxi. Just depends on the situation!
So after pressing the start button, it seems just a second or two later, you push the throttle forward to cut in the fuel. In other videos I have seen of jet engine starts, the pilot waits for N2 to reach 20-25% before introducing fuel and then N1 starts increasing. Is this jet a little different? (Not a pilot but really curious)
Hey jay, yes the other kind of start is a GPU start Ground power start and we do those a lot! Helps with battery life and keeping the temperatures down!
max you're the best just started watching your vids... but i did notice on start up of left engine you never checked left for anyone or obstructions just saying but if there were someone or thing could have been bad...
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So engine 2 does not send bleed air for engine 1 start ? it's only electrical aid ?
lmao, mixture rich, primer 3 shots, carb heat off, clear prop, throttle open 1/4 inch, ingintion swithch key on... at this poin, the citation is already talking with approach
You mean you don't just turn a key and it starts? Hehe j/k. Been playing the MSFS 2020 and I can never remember the startup sequence on the Citation Longitude. I can't imagine being in the real thing! Really enjoy your videos.
I came back and watched this again. Nobody realizes what it took over time to get this process down to flipping a few switches and hitting a button or two. Amazing technology.
DUDE THANK YOU! I love these little technical insight videos, puts a lot of context on what you're up to, and why, while we watch you fly the aircraft. One of my favorite things is Tech Tuesdays on Corporate Pilot Life, and I'm appreciative to have a little "how to" from you. Good stuff!
Max, you're bringing back many memories for me when I see you're in Erie, Pa. A friend of mine owned the flight school behind you there in the North Coast Air building. His Sea Ray cabin cruiser was docked next to mine at Bay Harbor Marina's East Basin. Many great memories of all the fun times on Lake Erie & the surrounding area. I lived onboard my boat for 7 years, from mid-April through the end of September. A great way to spend my summers.
I have never started a jet (yet) but that process looks a lot simpler than most that I have seen. Thanks for sharing!
I think like everything else it gets harder when there is a problem that needs solving. My theory of everything from aviation to heart surgery is that it all has to be teachable and learnable or nobody would ever do it.
Loved it Max .. little things like this that most would never get to fully appreciate so up close and personal ... i love the fact that you understand this and are so willing to share it with us ... Thank you
KERI my hometown.Nice place as long as you can handle 100+ inches of snow a year. The tower audio in the background indicated there was the usual runway 6/24 crosswind.
Wow! I used this for Microsoft Flight Simulator, and it worked incredibly! Thank you, Max!
That was awesome!! I've always wanted to be a pilot and wondered how they started jet engines. Thank you for sharing, and safe journeys.
Thanks for the description. I really enjoy your videos.
Really cool video. A video like this really emphasizes the experience of running a small jet, much different with a starter-generator spinning the turbine rather than using bleed air - both visually with electronics dimming, and aurally with the type of sound the starter makes, and hearing the electronic fans spin down as a ton of power is sent to the starter-generator. It's definitely a feeling that I haven't seen a flight sim capture very well yet.
Thanks Matt! I agree it’s definitely different. Hopefully one day the flight sim community will catch up and get us to this level of immersion!
Understood about half of what you said, I'm not real aviation tech savy, but I sure loved the sound of those engines starting up. Now to me, that was cool. Thanks
So informative and educational! Love it and I’m a huge fan! Thank you and blessings for your continued success 🙏🏽👍🏽🤩
I have spent 3 yrs watching videos like this., just started my sport license, i dont think i could have gottent through the book work of the first 21hrs without videos like this... my instructor said he felt as if he was getting punked because i knew everything already...only problems so far are with radio and lingo
its always good to watch your videos
Boy, that number 1 sure lights fast. That's awesome.
Excellent, clear explanation. Thanks much.
Love it. M2 is my dream airplane. I love Cessna aircraft. I'm looking forward to GulfstreamMax.
four zero zero romeo romeo lol! Thank you.
It appears the hardest part about starting your jet is getting yourself in the pilot’s seat! 😁😁
Very interesting. Man, you're definitely living the dream! Thanks for sharing this video.
That's a great FADEC on that machine. In the early 80s I had a chance to fly once in a Citation II and it wasn't quite this easy to start!
That’s what I’ve heard also! Definitely happy to have the fadec 😀
Cool video, Max! Such a great plane!
Didn’t see the n1 and fan spool up on the graphic close enough to see what was going on. Thanks Max for sharing how to start the Citation. It looks like a much cooler start up then on some of the smaller jets. I’ve seen some like the primier and gulfstream peg almost to the end of their safe zone before they begin to cool down to normal idle temp.
Ah sorry you didn’t see it closer up. Yes sometimes depending on elevation and temperature they can get close to the red line. Thanks for watching!
CitationMax I kinda wished I could have been there when Greg started spooling up his primier with a bunch of bees making a nest in one of his turbines.
Hello ✈️ yes I appreciate the basic training. 😊 Fly safe and enjoy! 👍
I’ve been waiting to see a video of engine start of a M2. Very inspirational. Next could you do a detailed preflight with walk around ?
Absolutely! That is in the works!
Amazing video. Very informative.
Max all your videos are good thank you .....Tom.....
Super helpful video. I noticed in the past you were pushing the power lever from OFF To IDLE fairly quickly after initiating the start. Now that I see it's fully automated, I understand why. It's not actually introducing fuel right away, it's just allowing it to add fuel when it's Darn Good and Ready(tm). Didn't know about the N1 requirement as the N2 spooled up, that's good to know. I also appreciated seeing the loads on the electrical system. 40 amp base draw, then 240 amps when the starter is engaged. Sure is different than the piston world! Thanks for the awesome walkthrough!
coma13794 glad you enjoyed it! And yes you’re correct! The faded tells the engine when to introduce the fuel. But it’s a fully automated system! Fuel pumps ignition etc.
love it looks just like the longititude, the dashboard
Thanks for the video. This will help me be the next Bare Foot Bandit!
Great! Now that I know how to start it I want to see the video "how to give my buddy Gary a ride in a Citation M2"!
Try a manual start on a TPE 331 now a days it just a button push the older 731 classics are fun too lol
Cool video
Great talk through
That m2 is beautiful!
Love seeing some tech videos like this. Thanks for sharing.
Great video! Enjoyed 😎
Thanks Max! Keep them coming!
Brilliant - this is my plane of choice for MSFS - I was wondering where I can get one of the handy checklist cards
Love that engine sound.
Nice. That’s much simpler than the cj1 I flew. Never flew the mustang but i saw them going down the line when I was at cessna school in Kansas.
Enjoyed the video Max 👍🏼..Only thing want more...Looking forward to your next video as always......✈️
Nice vid, Reminds of watching Steveo1 start his TBM but your's looks even easier. Thanks for sharing, very cool !
Simple yet effective video. Very well done Max. Hope you're well sir.
Thank you Justin!
So cool its the same in the mustang in the simulators too
How did you become so cool👍🏻? New subscriber!! Love your vibe!! Thx
Thanks for the tech video really enjoyed it and want to see more this kind of videos
101 From A Pro. Very Nice Max, Thank You From Lakeland🤜
Fantastic Max! Awesome job...exactly what I was hoping to see in some of your vids. Thank you for posting. 👍🏼
Glad you liked it Jimmy!
Cool stuff Max! 🤙
A simple and sophisticated system
Outstanding! Like these informative clips. MORE!
Very cool! Starters draw batteries down from 25 volts to 15 during startup pulling 200-300amps, crazy amount of power required getting the turbine to spin up!
It definitely is crazy!
Good stuff as usual!
Very cool Max!! thanks for sharing !
Great video. Thanks for sharing. Cheers from Brazil
Hello, how are you? I have a question, I am a fan of your videos I want to ask you something I see that you fly many citation, and I saw that you took the cirrus vision jet course the question is, which of the two aircraft brands or manufacturers convinces you more in the Safety part, let me explain Cirrus, you can land by pressing an emergency button and you have a parachute. I really don't know with what security elements how much the citation is, being your pilot of both, which do you think is the safest of the two? Cirrus vision jet or citation and with which you feel safer to fly
Always great, thanks Max.
Max, I just missed you. I go into Erie every month to visit my dad. Hopefully, this wasn't a one off. I'll have to keep an eye out for you. Great video.
I love this one too, Max. I've wanted to see someone run through the start sequence in the Citation. You lost me on the N1 and N2 speeds. Pausing the video I saw fuel flow, oil pressure and ignition but I still couldn't figure out the fan rotation speed and compressor speed. Where were you reading those numbers? Thanks Max. I love your videos! Keep them coming! Looking forward to flying my own M2! Oh, btw, are you tailwheel endorsed? Just curious. It's a totally different genre of flying but still really really fun!
Glad you enjoyed it! There were small numbers next to the engine instruments but maybe was hard to see sorry. And no I don’t have my tail wheel definitely would like to get it someday!!
I've seen a number of jet startup videos and it's interesting how they vary depending on the aircraft, mainly in what's manual and automatic. All jets seem to have the same startup sequence, (starter, N1 and N2 target speed, ignitor, fuel, monitor EGT and keep the starter on until N1 - or is it N2? - reaches 20-25%). The citation seems to automate the ignitor and starter shutoff, while some aircraft, like the UH6 helicopter, requires the pilot to manage all aspects of the start.
Love the video, although I am not a pilot, I love all kinds of aircraft, and have always wondered about some of the technical details like this :)
Looks like I can go get in one of these and start it right up and on my way!!!!!!
Thanks Max. Love all of the tech stuff. Keep up the great work and say HI to your mom for us.
Thank you Bill! Will do appreciate it
OK... now that we know how to start the engines.... where do you HIDE THE.KEY to get in THE DOOR ??? :)
Great job Max !!
Love the tech videos.
Great demo! You don't have reversers on those engines, right?
Loves these types of videos Max! Hope to see more!
Nicely done! Thanks for showing this engine start sequence. :)
Thanks Max!! Love the tech vids...looking forward to a follow up...how to start a CJ3+!
Can't wait for the CJ3+ videos!
We assume this is a FADEC system. Could you explain this auto system and how it simplifies engine operation at start, takeoff and cruise flight?
Do you ever start one engine and start taxi then start the second? I was on a regional flight that was like that.
sounds like a bad idea. If the engine doesn't start or there is a problem then it is too late to do anything about it.
zachattack83 if we are at a big airport and it will be a long wait for takeoff we will start the right engine and do a single engine taxi. Just depends on the situation!
how long does it take to recharge the plane's battery enough in order to attempt a cross engine start on the second engine ?
So much easier and simpler than any recip I know of or any of the old Jets I know. Sweet. Thank you.
this guy is a legend
Ha Thanks Wayne… but I’m just a big aviation geek! Hope you’re well.
@@CitationMax hey max I'm well thanks, love your videos I'm just a c172 pilot but fly the cj4 in the sim
BEAUTIFUL bird you've got there!
Curious….in the event of an emergency when you have to just get outta there fast….how quickly can you do startup and get in the air?
What’s the suction cup mount you use on the window by you left shoulder?
The mounts are called Joby Mounts.
Do you ever taxi with the left engine off to save on fuel like some commercial airlines do in the 737 or is not much of a difference?
Vrezh Gulyan if we are going to a big airport and there’s a big wait we will taxi out on one engine otherwise it’s always 2 engines!
Thanks. Very interesting.
Saludos !!!
Excellent
So after pressing the start button, it seems just a second or two later, you push the throttle forward to cut in the fuel. In other videos I have seen of jet engine starts, the pilot waits for N2 to reach 20-25% before introducing fuel and then N1 starts increasing. Is this jet a little different? (Not a pilot but really curious)
What kind of fuel burn are you seeing in the M2 in pounds per hour?
Richard Kennett hey, At FL410 around 350lbs a hour on each engine!
@ CitationMax you talk about battery start. Is there another option? A start-cart? As always, I enjoy your videos!
Hey jay, yes the other kind of start is a GPU start Ground power start and we do those a lot! Helps with battery life and keeping the temperatures down!
Very interesting !
Thanks for showing up...
Thanks, Max. I always find the pre-flight check-list process and start-up so interesting. Hope you had a good flight back to Jackson Hole.
Thank you David!
@@CitationMax your engines start almost exactly the same as my learjet.
max you're the best just started watching your vids... but i did notice on start up of left engine you never checked left for anyone or obstructions just saying but if there were someone or thing could have been bad...
So engine 2 does not send bleed air for engine 1 start ? it's only electrical aid ?
Howd you turn it off again? Reverse order or...
That's cool. Thank You
Interesting. Thanks!
Similar start on the new Cirrus?
Similar but definitely there are some differences
Starting an old cessna 152 is much harder 😂
Used to do that...great little airplane!
Clear prop!!
Max: Clear Engine2!!
LineGuy: Yeah. OK....
lmao, mixture rich, primer 3 shots, carb heat off, clear prop, throttle open 1/4 inch, ingintion swithch key on... at this poin, the citation is already talking with approach
Especially when aviation101 guy does it. lol
Did you turn the beacon light on?
Erie/..cool only 2 hrs south in Pgh...know Erie well safe trip home my friend..enjoy all of your videos..
Thank you Bob
Good stuff Max. Nut's and Bolt's info is always welcome.
that right seat looks lonely, need somebody to fill it?
Why do you start engine number 2 first. Would it be a problem if you started engine 1 first.
thank you great video
You mean you don't just turn a key and it starts? Hehe j/k. Been playing the MSFS 2020 and I can never remember the startup sequence on the Citation Longitude. I can't imagine being in the real thing! Really enjoy your videos.