Why Car Companies Still Use Clay Models That Cost Up To $650K | Big Business | Insider Business

Поділитися
Вставка
  • Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
  • Car companies have built life-size clay models for almost 100 years, for nearly every car you see on the road. But modeling is an expensive process. Exotic luxury brands have admitted to spending over $650,000 for one model. So why do some companies still use up to 100 tons of clay each year?
    0:00 Intro
    1:11 How clay car models are made
    6:45 Why clay models cost so much
    7:30 Why clay models are used
    MORE BIG BUSINESS VIDEOS:
    How 3 Million Gallons Of Olive Oil Are Produced Per Year In Spain During Crippling Droughts | Big Business | Insider Business
    • How 3 Million Gallons ...
    Why Tiny Cactus Bugs In Red Food Dye Are A $35 Billion Industry | Big Business | Insider Business
    • Why Tiny Cactus Bugs I...
    A New Mining Ship Sucks Metals Off The Seafloor. Is That a Good Idea? | Big Business | Insider Business
    • A New Mining Ship Suck...
    ------------------------------------------------------
    #ClayModeling #CarDesign #BusinessInsider
    Business Insider tells you all you need to know about business, finance, tech, retail, and more.
    Visit our homepage for the top stories of the day: www.businessinsider.com
    Insider Business on Facebook: / businessinsider
    Insider Business on Instagram: / insiderbusiness
    Insider Business on Twitter: / businessinsider
    Insider Business on Snapchat: / 5319643143
    Insider Business on TikTok: / businessinsider
    Why Car Companies Still Use Clay Models That Cost Up To $650K | Big Business | Insider Business
  • Авто та транспорт

КОМЕНТАРІ • 2,4 тис.

  • @liamfoxy
    @liamfoxy Рік тому +8312

    All this work, time, and effort goes in to making these models so people can see what a car looks like prior to fabrication, and yet somehow the Pontiac Aztec still made it to market.

    • @DerekDavis213
      @DerekDavis213 Рік тому +450

      That's because the talented car designers are NOT working in Detroit for Ford or GM.

    • @paulmcewan9006
      @paulmcewan9006 Рік тому +128

      It looks like a committee became too involved

    • @SayAhh
      @SayAhh Рік тому +193

      The prototype looked decent, but then the micromanaging and accountants got involved.

    •  Рік тому +78

      and The Chrysler PT Cruiser

    • @BigMoney23223
      @BigMoney23223 Рік тому +166

      @ when the PT came out, you couldn’t get one, they were an instant seller, people were stopping drivers asking where to buy one. The PT was an instant success, nobody wanted an Aztec from jump

  • @levicharles996
    @levicharles996 Рік тому +7562

    The Porsche was probably the easiest to model. They just add a little clay every year and say brand new 911 haha

    • @haoo549
      @haoo549 Рік тому +325

      No spoiler: $
      Same body color spoiler: $$$
      Carbon spoiler: $$$ $$$ $$$
      Roof and wind shield:$
      No roof: $$$
      No wind shield: one-off exclusively, as expensive as money laundering and sitting in a garage for the rest of their life

    • @Nobraa
      @Nobraa Рік тому +417

      what do you want them to do?do what mercedes and bmw did where they ruined the cars?you don't need to change perfection

    • @StruggleButtons
      @StruggleButtons Рік тому +163

      I think we found Clarkson’s secret youtube account,

    • @leechrec
      @leechrec Рік тому +2

      😅

    • @TheKikSmile
      @TheKikSmile Рік тому +147

      if it ain't broke don't fix it. simple as.

  • @Albin_Evald
    @Albin_Evald Рік тому +203

    Answers to Why Car Companies Still Use Clay Models That Cost Up To $650K: 4:42, 7:30

  • @johndix9354
    @johndix9354 Рік тому +8

    I remember having what we called an 'assembly' in junior high school with a presentation by GM showing their model shop. I am now 70 years old so that was in 1965. It was great!

  • @Claudiatjuh93
    @Claudiatjuh93 Рік тому +396

    “It’s almost like a cheese grater” - proceeds to hold up the exact IKEA cheese grater I have in my kitchen drawer

    • @mer5784
      @mer5784 Рік тому +24

      I thought the same exact thing when I saw that 😂

    • @philippedrouin3008
      @philippedrouin3008 2 місяці тому +16

      “It’s almost like a cheese grater”
      It is a cheese grater
      They should just call it like it is and say they use it for a different purpose

    • @isbestlizard
      @isbestlizard 2 місяці тому +3

      YES mine has a plastic pot that it fits to so I can grate a load of cheese without any mess plus a airtight top so I can keep excess in the fridge without it going hard ITS THE BEST invention humanity has ever made because it is perfect and needs no further changes and I predict even centuries hence there will be no more improvements to the cheese grater

    • @womp6338
      @womp6338 2 місяці тому +8

      Maybe ikea sold you a clay sculpture tool and told u it was a cheese grater

    • @CarbonKevin
      @CarbonKevin 2 місяці тому

      Came here to say this 😂

  • @Kresnov
    @Kresnov Рік тому +1011

    I've transported dozens of clay model cars around Europe, the quality of the finish is staggering. I moved the clay for the first generation of VW owned Bentley.

    • @sondernfy
      @sondernfy Рік тому +37

      That sounds amazing yet terrifying.

    • @valitsemllaluokanavahyvaks3556
      @valitsemllaluokanavahyvaks3556 Рік тому +41

      You moved clay like some ppl moved drugs xdd.

    • @lalnunpuiafanai9479
      @lalnunpuiafanai9479 Рік тому +4

      same i transported clay model cars on a daily basis

    • @Le_persone
      @Le_persone Рік тому

      Сколько кг стоит?

    • @FreezyOH
      @FreezyOH Рік тому +1

      terrifying? What are you talking about 💀 you just threw in some words to sound smart 🤓😭😭😭

  • @chandler_h
    @chandler_h Рік тому +9

    The inventor of this technique is Harley Earl. I cannot believe they did not even say his name in this! It was because of him that we had those beautiful cars from the '30s. There is a great book called "Fins" that tells the most of the story of how automotive design began.

  • @phlimma
    @phlimma Рік тому +20

    I make 3D models to print and I know the huge difference between look to the 3D in computer screen or VR goggles and to look at the finished piece in real life, feeling the weight, the shape and appearance under the daylight. Because this I really understand why they still making clay models.

  • @plakor6133
    @plakor6133 Рік тому +2268

    I wonder if these are stored somewhere. It would be a hoot to see the vintage clay models.

    • @haraldpettersen3649
      @haraldpettersen3649 Рік тому +151

      Unfortunately, I highly doubt they are taken care of.

    • @bucky13
      @bucky13 Рік тому +440

      It's crazy and unfortunate that the big car manufacturers don't have huge museums with 100's of historic clay models.

    • @kimbo566
      @kimbo566 Рік тому +136

      No they are not. They are either re milled as a different car or just destroyed.

    • @coldogno7
      @coldogno7 Рік тому +56

      this type of clay deformed over time

    • @AbiNubli
      @AbiNubli Рік тому +38

      They destroyed the model and sold the clay to other industries. Or just reused it for making smaller model

  • @Winter-CIG
    @Winter-CIG Рік тому +895

    The wildest thing to me as a (digital) 3D modeler, isn't just how complex it is to make such a beautiful and consistent form but rather how insanely impressive it is that they are able to achieve such perfect symmetry. Also I had to laugh when he said "this tool is almost like a cheese grater". It literally is a cheese grater. I know because I own the same one 🤣

    • @mrgiggles247
      @mrgiggles247 Рік тому +46

      Same: "almost like a cheese grater", nice Mark; I got mine from Ikea, how about you?

    • @philipbarton3456
      @philipbarton3456 Рік тому +12

      It lost it's title as it doesn't grate cheese anymore...its a clay grater.

    • @itsm3th3b33
      @itsm3th3b33 Рік тому +7

      Symmetry is the easiest part to achieve. You only scan one side of the model and the software mirror images the other side automatically. ;)

    • @LollyPopTuttu
      @LollyPopTuttu Рік тому +46

      @@itsm3th3b33 yes now go refine it simmetrically by hand

    • @-YELDAH
      @-YELDAH Рік тому +8

      @@philipbarton3456 you’ve reversed your it’s and its

  • @Michneko
    @Michneko Рік тому +46

    This seems like a dream job to me. Shame I didn't spec into clay modeling.
    I love to see artists still using physical mediums even if it's for work, they are still making art.

    • @ImportedFromSerbia
      @ImportedFromSerbia Рік тому

      it is not that easy to get on board, but you would make tons of good money working as a clay sculptor around the world.

    • @awesomewav2419
      @awesomewav2419 7 місяців тому +6

      Too bad maybe you can do it in another build on your next playthrough

    • @eto2352
      @eto2352 6 місяців тому

      Great modellers are hard to come by but you and everything you own will smell like sulphur.

    • @robertnicholls9917
      @robertnicholls9917 2 місяці тому

      You have to really love it. It's a time consuming job. But, imagine having to mock up stuff you know is garbage.

  • @rapidrabbit11485
    @rapidrabbit11485 3 місяці тому +14

    This was a very insightful video. I really like that it wasn't dismissive of VR, but hopeful for the future, while acknowledging that this is a process that will likely stick and why. The camera work and editing was superb as well. Really showing these artisans at their craft. This is the kind of content that UA-cam needs.

  • @mikeybraps2705
    @mikeybraps2705 Рік тому +743

    I work for Jaguar Land Rover and deal with these clay models all the time. They are a great way to get a feel for what the cars will look like in life size with all the correct finishes. They seem expensive but compared to the cost of building a real car from scratch they cost nothing

    • @trandang.
      @trandang. Рік тому +24

      They are expensive for new automakers, and a lot of new car manufacturers from Asia don't use this process in order to reduce production time and costs. Cars that are produced in these shortened processes may look good in certain aspects, but none are without flaws.

    • @fdr100100
      @fdr100100 Рік тому +14

      cad and 3d printer no need for clay now days we have industrial 3d printers cost much less takes much less time requires less people

    • @Ckcdillpickle
      @Ckcdillpickle Рік тому +57

      @@fdr100100 did you not watch the video? you are not 3d printing a full scale model with good surface finish

    • @GroxMirk
      @GroxMirk Рік тому +5

      @@Ckcdillpickle just yet )

    • @vraolet
      @vraolet Рік тому +41

      @@fdr100100 Also 3d printed plastic model are hard to modify and adjust, when clay can be added or takne away at will

  • @evanfrucht
    @evanfrucht Рік тому +808

    That's honestly not that expensive for the amount of labor, skill, and talent involved.

    • @skateboardingjesus4006
      @skateboardingjesus4006 Рік тому +19

      @@evanfrucht I can't see the comment you're responding to, but I'm guessing it's one of those desperate business scams that populate too many comment sections with utterly irrelevant crap.
      As for your initial comment, as a sculptor myself, that price tag for services provided over that period of time and after other overheads are subtracted, is not really that much money. Plus, sculpting artificial geometries like complex planes, curves and angles to exacting specifications, is very hard and requires honed experience.

    • @evanfrucht
      @evanfrucht Рік тому +4

      @skateboardingjesus4006 yes, it seems too cheap if you ask me 😉

    • @RS-jl7cu
      @RS-jl7cu Рік тому +8

      @@skateboardingjesus4006 well its clear from this comment that you may be a sculptor but you are definitely not a professional reader lmao

    • @skateboardingjesus4006
      @skateboardingjesus4006 Рік тому

      @@RS-jl7cu Please elaborate?

    • @alext8828
      @alext8828 Рік тому

      @@skateboardingjesus4006 Yeah, right.

  • @markjones127
    @markjones127 2 місяці тому +7

    The point of the clay is its properties change depending on how warm it is, sticky and malleable when warm, but as you can see in the video it hardens up at cooler temps which is better for working on the final finish, it comes in those cylinders as that's the shape it comes out of the pug mill which squeezes all the air out of the clay making it ready to use straight away, as a sculptor myself you can never really simulate what you get from a clay model, the level of fine adjustment it gives you is irreplaceable really, and you can never get that hands on feel with computer software.

  • @TheSynthnut
    @TheSynthnut Рік тому +72

    My grandfather worked at Ford in the UK in the clay department. He was a scupltor and also worked with the likes of Jacob Epstein on pieces such as St. Michael’s Victory over the Devil on Coventry Cathedral. Back then there were no computers or machines involved, all hand-worked. Good to see the skills in the job continue, nothing beats a physical model to touch and feel the presence of, VR falls short in many ways.

    • @Cooe.
      @Cooe. 7 місяців тому +1

      But VR is also ahead in just as many, if not more ways. 🤷 It's infinitely cheaper and more flexible, allowing FAAAAAR faster and more effective design iteration. Physical models still have their place but it's getting INCREASINGLY niche as VR headsets continue to get more and more capable.
      And the rapid development of haptics technology means that full-blown "haptic gloves" able to accurately replicate the physical feeling of touching virtual objects are no more than ≈5-10 years away, at which point super expensive & inflexible physical models stop making ANY sense.

  • @willm5032
    @willm5032 Рік тому +61

    As a packaging designer, we use bottle mockups from time to time to get a feel for shape, glass weight, and any erganomics so I can fully understand why clay models are a thing

    • @plsdonttttt
      @plsdonttttt Рік тому

      you use a mockup of a bottle? why not the real thing?

    • @willm5032
      @willm5032 Рік тому

      @@plsdonttttt When projects require a new, custom bottle, its often a good idea to 3d print/create mockups of bottles designed in cad software before starting production in glass. It means clients and designers can get a feel for a physical product that often exists only in 2d Space before that point. 3d prototyping is usually pretty standard in product design, clay modelling cars is just an extension of this :)

    • @plsdonttttt
      @plsdonttttt Рік тому +1

      @@willm5032 aaah okay I thought you where packaging a bottle and was like...just put in a square box maybe

    • @selfishbirch
      @selfishbirch 2 місяці тому

      Hey, mate. Im a graphic designer and we only do pics on bottles and boxes that are ready. Designing bottles from scratch sounds neat! Do you have a degree in engineering or what does a person need to land on this job?

  • @robbieg25
    @robbieg25 Рік тому +185

    This quality of this story was incredible. What a fascinating process, I nearly lost it when they put the material on it that makes it looks like painted sheetmetal.

    • @-YELDAH
      @-YELDAH Рік тому +18

      @@pmbbmp “video bad me better”

    • @Eramor
      @Eramor Рік тому +1

      @@pmbbmp 🤓

    • @pepechill8118
      @pepechill8118 2 місяці тому

      if this is "incredible" for you. you have super boring life

    • @vooveks
      @vooveks 2 місяці тому

      @@pepechill8118Or if you “nearly lost it” over a seeing that sheet being being put on, you probably need to ask your GP about some sort of medication.

    • @rorymax
      @rorymax 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@pepechill8118 he's getting enjoyment from the things he watches. What's boring about that? Having to put random people down people down on the internet to make yourself feel good on the other hand...

  • @redporkpadthai6368
    @redporkpadthai6368 Рік тому +3

    I'm a preparator for contemporary a contemporary art museum and the process as a team is so similar to this! We frequently do a lot of the fabrication work to make the artist's/designer's vision.

  • @bicyclist2
    @bicyclist2 Рік тому +4

    I've wanted to do this (Car design) for a living since I was 10 years old. Unfortunately I've never had the chance. I've seen a few magazine articles about this design process over the years. It's Very cool to see this video about it. Thank you.

  • @leighsadler1524
    @leighsadler1524 Рік тому +307

    These guys are doing a top end job. I appreciate the fact in our day and age that showing a car in 3D / 8K graphics via a computer shows us what a new car may look like. But us being human beings really do appreciate a hands on model that we can TOUCH / FEEL / AND CONNECT WITH. Excellent work.

    • @CountCocofang
      @CountCocofang Рік тому

      3D printing will be there soon enough.

    • @mja2239
      @mja2239 Рік тому +2

      @Count Cocofang It's been 1 day, are we there yet?

    • @CountCocofang
      @CountCocofang Рік тому

      @@mja2239 Not yet, son. But I can get you a tablet with Subway Surfers or some other dumb crap to keep you busy so you stop being annoying from the backseat.

    • @mja2239
      @mja2239 Рік тому +1

      @@CountCocofang ok now I will stop annoying you from your back seat, I don't want to get your crap

    • @orkhepaj
      @orkhepaj 11 місяців тому

      nope , this is just wasting money

  • @20LookInside12
    @20LookInside12 Рік тому +10

    Dream Vocation. My goodness.... this was so incredibly satisfying to watch and my brain is just lit up. The attention to detail is something I can understand and LOVE seeing it in this format. Amazing work all 'round.

  • @Fredthegod1990
    @Fredthegod1990 Рік тому +6

    I always wanted to be a car designer. I ended up becoming an industrial designer but didn't have the opportunity to go to an automotive design school. With the "metaverse" becoming increasingly a space where people spend time and money, I hope it will give people like myself the opportunity to carry out our own visions without the financial and logistic hurdles that would come with actually starting your own car company in the real world.

    • @ImportedFromSerbia
      @ImportedFromSerbia Рік тому +1

      very competitive job position, so without some insider it is not that easy to get on board. plus the school is expensive.

  • @Dr.W.Krueger
    @Dr.W.Krueger Рік тому +2

    Nothing beats standing next to a full-size mock-up of your product. You quickly see issues (and weird angles) that are not obvious in the usual production renderings.

  • @bryanlabchuk
    @bryanlabchuk Рік тому +74

    (holds up cheese grater) "its almost like a cheese grater" 😂

    • @jbellfield
      @jbellfield Рік тому +5

      I have one, comes on top of a plastic tub to keep the cheese fresh.

    • @Dragcnborn
      @Dragcnborn Рік тому +2

      @@jbellfield I have the same one lmao

    • @nicolelee2205
      @nicolelee2205 Рік тому

      I use a cheese grater in my clay sculptures.

    • @sharpshotefx
      @sharpshotefx 10 днів тому +1

      In special effects, one of the best tools for sculpting pores in human skin is a Starbucks coffee stirrer

  • @trevorcraig2824
    @trevorcraig2824 Рік тому +11

    My professor of ceramics, worked at GM as well, as a clay model builder. Amazingly talented individual.

  • @cjjojo8985
    @cjjojo8985 Рік тому +1

    Great video! Thank you for the time you took to present this great video. I found it educational and will use it to educate my students.

  • @ChronicDreamer1st
    @ChronicDreamer1st Рік тому

    Guys, a lot of art & work goes into making every car on the road look exactly the same ! Respect the art !!!!

  • @reccaman
    @reccaman Рік тому +200

    Lemme make the easy comment, "of course cheese costs alot but America has bunkers full of them."

    • @thymicere3911
      @thymicere3911 Рік тому +6

      “Your teacher dies in Hogwarts Legacy and Rookwood cursed Anne.”

    • @reszin
      @reszin Рік тому +1

      Way too smelly for car models.

    • @joad8537
      @joad8537 Рік тому

      “I missed the part where that’s my problem” Spider-Man

    • @dianapennepacker6854
      @dianapennepacker6854 Рік тому +2

      We stockpile BILLIONS OF POUNDS of cheese. Cheese as a strategic resource confirmed.

    • @cooldudicus7668
      @cooldudicus7668 Рік тому

      The American government no longer stock piles cheese. They have not for years now. Private companies do though, but on their own dime.

  • @hanzfranz7739
    @hanzfranz7739 Рік тому +79

    I love learning about new stuff i didnt know even existed - great :)

    • @D1G1TALFOX
      @D1G1TALFOX Рік тому

      😎

    • @bhante1345
      @bhante1345 Рік тому

      Wait, you mean to say you didn't know Flontstone cars existed?

  • @mckdogdrums3543
    @mckdogdrums3543 Рік тому

    I never knew this. What a cool process and hard work too to shape and design. Very clever

  • @piplup10203854
    @piplup10203854 Рік тому +163

    This was really cool to see, I actually like this idea a lot, it's great to see the amount of detail you can add to it and in a way it gives you a life size art piece to keep.

    • @yesawwwh6527
      @yesawwwh6527 Рік тому +3

      That’s probably the reason why Greek mythology says we came from clay.

  • @DontBeStoopid
    @DontBeStoopid Рік тому +25

    I’ve worked on the space shuttle clay model and deal with these clay models all the time. It a great way to get a feel for what the space shuttle will look like life size with all the finishes.

    • @user-xf5dj1up8g
      @user-xf5dj1up8g Рік тому +1

      Holy cow! I can’t even begin to imagine how a space shuttle clay model would be put together!! That’s incredible!!!!!

    • @musiceditfor
      @musiceditfor Рік тому

      This is the most inefficient way to model shapes that I heard of since the existence of GPUs.

    • @wildbill6976
      @wildbill6976 Рік тому

      did the same at Martin Marietta for aircraft, missile, etc. designs; benefit is that a scale clay model can be used to produce master folds for cast and composite parts

    • @MiGujack3
      @MiGujack3 Рік тому +3

      @@musiceditfor GPUs? What are even talking about? No virtualization will give you the proper real life perspective of a thing.

    • @musiceditfor
      @musiceditfor Рік тому

      @@MiGujack3 Yeah the touch thing but that's not about performance.

  • @RolyMoes
    @RolyMoes Рік тому +25

    It's important to note that the clay and its scraps can be reused, so it doesn't just go to waste after that car gets put into production.

  • @eberlen123
    @eberlen123 Рік тому +21

    I work as a digital sculptor to make these clay models at gm. I regularly work on cars 5 years before the public is even aware, and I can say why these take several years to produce. It’s because there are so many meetings about every small detail down to a .004mm tolerance.
    And it takes months for basic parts to be finalized for production because it has to be approved through the chain of command in a massive company.

    • @jamesbrittain5659
      @jamesbrittain5659 Рік тому

      Just like governments, it takes years of bureaucratic bullshit to actually see progress....

    • @faboxbkn
      @faboxbkn Рік тому

      wow cool! do you recommend getting into this field? I am learning solidworks as a hobby and seriously considering it as a career. Def automatitive design is a field I would look into but not sure about the future of it or the current demand.

    • @vex123
      @vex123 Рік тому +1

      How does the clay design transfer into manufacturing?

    • @eberlen123
      @eberlen123 Рік тому +1

      @@vex123 Clay models represent exactly what will be manufactured. It's a real life representation of what we design digitally. The clay model is mainly for top executives in the company to critic the work quickly and make changes as needed.

    • @Sashazur
      @Sashazur Рік тому

      Are models ever used for focus groups?

  • @utkarshrokade3641
    @utkarshrokade3641 Рік тому +6

    Great video, but just a suggestion, Fahrenheit is used as a standard in only 3 countries as far as I know. So please use Celsius or atleast give the Celsius value in subtitles, (at 2:36 mark)

  • @elvalvinoskyo3307
    @elvalvinoskyo3307 Рік тому +3

    Amazing video I’ve always wondered how a car design starts and how it gets built and approved

  • @SamCyanide
    @SamCyanide 2 місяці тому

    Very cool. Thank you for sharing

  • @legocircus
    @legocircus Рік тому +2

    This was such an awesome video, thanks for sharing! And Mark especially, thanks for all the insight. I love learning stuff like this and know how everything works or crafted in life. Cheers!

  • @dampaul13
    @dampaul13 Рік тому +29

    The satisfaction of watching the fine detailed work of these artisans was incredibly high.

  • @aye3678
    @aye3678 Рік тому +6

    Woah, I didn't know this was a thing :O So cool!

  • @mervatbassilios7438
    @mervatbassilios7438 Рік тому +1

    WOW IT WORKED!!!!! THANKS MAN

  • @kimbo566
    @kimbo566 Рік тому +144

    This describes the process from a few years ago well. Today very little sculpting is done in the clay. The clay models are still used but the clay modelers mostly slick freshly milled models to remove the mill marks. What takes 5min to change in the computer takes 5h to do in the clay. And I haven't seen a scale model in years... and it would never be used to be scanned and scaled up to a full size model. Every model is milled from a CAD data.

    • @nickyp1435
      @nickyp1435 Рік тому +9

      Well this was uploaded 3 days ago and the industry Professional says otherwise Kimbo. Where do you draw your statement from ?

    • @kimbo566
      @kimbo566 Рік тому +122

      ​@@nickyp1435 My current position working in a car design studio together with the 15 years experience in doing so.
      This is Bentley they are talking about.
      Bentley makes luxury cars with maybe 1-2 new projects a year so it doesn't represent the majority of producers.
      They might still have time for the more old fashion way of working with clay.
      At my current employer we have about 20 projects at any given time including new models and facelifts so we re-mill models every few weeks to see in 1:1 scale but then all changes are done in CAD and then re-milled a couple of weeks later.
      Clay modeling takes too long

    • @nickyp1435
      @nickyp1435 Рік тому +3

      @@kimbo566 too long didnt read. when you get your own insider focus video made at your 'car design studio', why dont you give your opinion then?

    • @kimbo566
      @kimbo566 Рік тому

      @@nickyp1435 only getting your information on the world from 4 sentences or less must give a very interesting picture on how things work.

    • @andreybushev3020
      @andreybushev3020 Рік тому +165

      @@nickyp1435 Pretty sure he just stated facts not opinions. If you can't read the reply then don't bother asking the question.

  • @dustinm4455
    @dustinm4455 Рік тому +84

    "A new Bugatti costs from $1.7 million for the cheapest model, a Bugatti Veyron, to upwards of $18.7 million"
    Yeah I think they make that money back pretty fast...

    • @michaelmich00
      @michaelmich00 Рік тому +17

      what about the millions of mustangs or vw’s😂 650k isnt even visible on their balance

    • @kevintong5872
      @kevintong5872 Рік тому +17

      Bugatti lost 6.5 million for every Veyron sold. The Golfs are covering the cost 😂

  • @LudosErgoSum
    @LudosErgoSum Рік тому +18

    These should go into an art gallery to raise awareness of the art employed in manufacturing. Too many perceive art as something monolithic and attached to an individual, but this is true collaboration between people, professions, visions and various fields of science to create something truly beautiful and functional. As an art student, I'm fed up with how academics control the art space by defining it as something only worthy of their appreciation when these are the very things that truly shape our world and grace our mortal retinas.

    • @danielp415
      @danielp415 Рік тому

      You need to read "Design as Art" by Bruno Munari asap. Your idea is basically his manifesto

    • @LudosErgoSum
      @LudosErgoSum Рік тому

      @@danielp415 Thank you for the recommendation. Will check it out!

    • @Eramor
      @Eramor Рік тому

      Its also so frustrating as an artist still in school (not college yet) and everything, I mean everything points to art as a useless hobby that only makes you "successful" by selling personal pieces, unreliable commissions etc. I'd really like to pursue 2d art, ceramics, and music more but whenever I look into the future I don't see a purpose for them if none of them are reliable and waste time I could be using to do other more reliable jobs. When I watched this video I definitely felt like these people are using their artistic skill in a way that isn't personal as well as reliable. However it probably won't last long

    • @simileee
      @simileee Рік тому

      @@Eramor what..? Dude design will always be around no matter what. There isn’t anything that’s gonna replace creativity like that. Do art if that’s what you want.

  • @Yesnog05
    @Yesnog05 Рік тому +2

    As a kid, I would always see these car commercials showing the clay modeling process and wondered how to get a job like that. Now I know!

  • @OriginalGamerPrestar
    @OriginalGamerPrestar Рік тому +50

    So what I gathered from this is, Someone is to blame for some of the ugly cars released

  • @pauliewalnuts240
    @pauliewalnuts240 Рік тому +5

    "Not everyone can do this. This is very advanced work, performed only by the most skilled craftsmen. This is my cheese grater, and this tool is called 'a scraper'."

  • @Aritul
    @Aritul Рік тому

    Wow! I never knew how intricate the car making process was.

  • @tjb_altf4
    @tjb_altf4 Рік тому +2

    3:58 "this almost looks like a cheese grater"
    Looks identical to my cheese grater at home

  • @NehemyaSiyon
    @NehemyaSiyon Рік тому +28

    Now I will make a car with clay of my own design.

    • @Faesharlyn
      @Faesharlyn Рік тому

      Then use it to make fiberglass panels and keep buildin!

  • @vasantos-re4hb
    @vasantos-re4hb Рік тому +47

    Real talk - A clay model is a Proof of Concept. It's awesome they can make micro changes and do wind tunnel testing on the same prototype. Computers are great, but at some point you need to build the real thing.

    • @bhante1345
      @bhante1345 Рік тому +3

      Real talk - when you say real talk, I lose all respect for you as a human.

    • @vasantos-re4hb
      @vasantos-re4hb Рік тому

      @@bhante1345 Why are you even reading my comments? I'm dead to you. Leave me to my incompetence.

    • @are3287
      @are3287 Рік тому +2

      @@bhante1345 Real talk - when you say I lose all respect for you as a human, I lose all respect for you as a human.

    • @jamalabdisalam8578
      @jamalabdisalam8578 Рік тому +2

      ​@@bhante1345 what makes you think they need your respect?

    • @user-pm8je4fo7e
      @user-pm8je4fo7e Рік тому +1

      Real talk - clay model will behave very differently in wind tunnel than metal one. And there is no "concept" to prove here. It's exterior modeling, it has nothing to do with POC, which is always about feasibility.

  • @Ike-Mi
    @Ike-Mi 7 місяців тому

    one of the parts that seem difficult is how they keep the left and right side exactly the same

  • @felix_themechanic7095
    @felix_themechanic7095 Рік тому

    05:25 this is a workmate of my father. He also did this work in the Ford Modeling Design Studio in Cologne Germany

  • @HitomiNee
    @HitomiNee Рік тому +48

    just as a carpenter measures twice and cuts once, modelers and engineers need to make sure their creations are upto spec and design prior to full scale production, it has its usefulness even if it costs alot of money and labour.

    • @Andrew-wq1ue
      @Andrew-wq1ue Рік тому

      As an engineer, I can promise many areas are not measure twice and cut once. It's measure once, cut once, hope that work for the 90% of things that aren't critical, and carve a little extra time for the important and high risk decisions.

    • @Rust_Rust_Rust
      @Rust_Rust_Rust Рік тому +1

      @@Andrew-wq1ue as an engineer I don't want to work anywhere near you

  • @Mudkip971
    @Mudkip971 Рік тому +3

    Not surprising.
    I did the same when I worked for a company that makes trains and I worked in the department that recreates trains and sections of trains into life size models for testing, practice and visual demonstration for consumers. The level of complexity really depends on what the model has to achieve, it can be either purely visual or maybe demonstrate something more mechanical. They were usually made out of wood, cheap steel and occasional 3D printed plastic or pipping.

  • @Meianju
    @Meianju Рік тому +1

    Incredible craftsmanship. This practice will not go away even with VR because replicating reality is just not feasible.

  • @tcrweeks
    @tcrweeks Рік тому +13

    I recently retired from clay modelling after 40 years, and back in the 1980's I taught clay modeling to students that are now sculpting in several car companies; so, on many occasions, I've been asked this question on why clay modeling is still done. One reason is the customer. A typical customer (the proverbial 'housewife from Peoria' for example) isn't an expert on computer graphics so even with the most sophisticated computer modeling and graphics technologies most car customers will (in the back of their minds) have doubts when looking at even the most realistic 3 dimensional image. Often these full sized clay sculptures are shown to potential customers in corporate sponsored clinics for their evaluation. There's something about wallkng around each model at your own pace, in your own time, and even stroking the surfaces with your hand to be convinced that these proportions and shapes look right. The same could be said about corporate executives needing to see these models for themselves 'in the flesh'.

    • @faboxbkn
      @faboxbkn Рік тому

      amazing! do you think there is still a demand for it nowadays?

  • @rocroc
    @rocroc Рік тому +3

    Excellent video. There is nothing like being able to see and touch and move a vehicle about to really understand how they look and perform. As an Akron, Ohio, kid growing up, I participated in the Soap Box Derby. This was in the hay day of soap box derby building. There were no kit cars and everything was built from scratch. Beginning in about 1957, cars began getting more and more sophisticated until 1973 when an electrical start assist magnet was found in the front of a winning car and things changed. Even when I raced we built fabricated models to test the design and run characteristics of a car. Some later models were shaped out of Styrofoam and overlaid with fiberglass, etc. There was some very talented kids who built some astonishing cars. GM was a big Derby sponsor and several of those kids went on to work with GM in the design and development of their cars. They still race Derby cars today and it is a better racing experience now than then. Kids today can participate in many racing events while in the old days you only got one shot at it a year. Car building itself was far better then than now.

  • @rickintexas1584
    @rickintexas1584 Рік тому +15

    I am a mechanical engineer in the US aerospace industry. I have always found the artisans of the auto industry fascinating. In aerospace the function is the most important aspect, way more important than aesthetics. But in the auto industry the aesthetics, or emotion, drive the product shape.

    • @StarkVandalez
      @StarkVandalez Рік тому +2

      exactly. I'm an industrial designer and did clay modelling in school. I work in consumer products, not automotive but the principles are the same

    • @MiGujack3
      @MiGujack3 Рік тому

      @@StarkVandalez Except current BMW, where the goal of the aesthetic is to make you gag.

  • @tacka73
    @tacka73 Рік тому

    3:51 that is a cheese grater!! 😂😂

  • @Hopeeater
    @Hopeeater Рік тому

    @3:50 That is the actual cheese grater Chosigt from IKEA.

  • @ofeliawotsits6080
    @ofeliawotsits6080 Рік тому +2

    My Dad was a talented sculptor, quite natural, never had any training or schooling, and worked as a clay sculptor at British Leyland in the late 1970’s, 80’s and into the early 90’s. He had the dubious pleasure of turning the designer’s wishes into clay models on such things as the Princess. He didn’t think much of the shapes being turned out, and moaned that the “wedge” shape had become all too popular in BL. He said that the surface finish was so good on the models that you couldn’t tell it wasn’t a metal bodied painted car.

  • @dinoz2113
    @dinoz2113 Рік тому +8

    When I saw the thumb nail I thought the car was cheese 😂🧀

  • @drekelley2352
    @drekelley2352 Рік тому +11

    Now tell me about the interior. Does that also start as clay?

  • @melsyoutube
    @melsyoutube Рік тому +1

    i remember seeing a car ad that used cake and the song my favorite things, i think it was by Skoda

  • @BillDubeVariety
    @BillDubeVariety Рік тому +1

    3:51 old cheese grater from IKEA... I love mine, but don't use it for clay. Great video.

  • @nomore-constipation
    @nomore-constipation Рік тому +107

    As impressive as this is, if you ever watch a clay model of a face of someone from the past or present it blows your mind how detailed those can be.
    Assuming that the calculations for whatever the past person looked like based on whatever data you can trust or have available at the time
    Then peering into the eyes of that past subject takes you to a new level of consciousness

    • @blenderguru
      @blenderguru Рік тому +9

      Umm did you use AI to write this?

    • @77R_
      @77R_ Рік тому

      @@blendergurulol

    • @HintsV2
      @HintsV2 Рік тому

      The difference here is that these clay models are made for a purpose, under a time restriction, and remodeled/refined under the feedback given by art and engineering teams. I would say that comparing the work done in this video to a sculpture made purely for artistic purposes is comparing apples to oranges. Not to mention, it seems like you're overlooking the amount of detail put into these car models as well-in the video, the sculptors made adjustments based on alternative materials and lighting; they also created early iterations for functional objects such as the things you would see in the dashboard.

    • @deeznutz32108
      @deeznutz32108 Рік тому

      @@insidiousmaximus Fr he sounds like a hippie

  •  Рік тому +4

    3:54 I have that same IKEA grater. Good to see even the fanciest companies use the cheap but useful stuff.

    • @sleepyjoescumbag1663
      @sleepyjoescumbag1663 Рік тому

      How to do you know the one they are using is from Ikea? It does specify it's a Ikea grater ?

  • @evanriordan1823
    @evanriordan1823 Рік тому

    I went in an out of the Ford Truck design studio daily as an intern... pretty awesome

  • @ramonhamm3885
    @ramonhamm3885 Рік тому

    0:56 This is interesting, I would like to see more about this technique.

  • @AbiNubli
    @AbiNubli Рік тому +12

    I've been intern in auto industry once and trust me no matter how good your 3d models are they will not translate well to the clay or real world model. Somehow our preception of things differs from virtual to real world

  • @davexbit
    @davexbit Рік тому +4

    Keep in mind the computer driven machines are still sculpted in 3D software like Autodesk Alias by actual people not AI. These two sculptors work as a team. Sometimes it's the same person. So there is is a manual sculptor (clay) and a digital sculptor (Alias).

    • @Astraeus..
      @Astraeus.. Рік тому

      You're not at all wrong, but the big difference between those 2 particular kinds of "sculptor" is that 1 takes years to become proficient and mistakes can be highly time consuming to fix, whereas the other can be reasonably well trained in a year, and mistakes are as easy to fix as hitting the "undo" button....

    • @antonioesposito8071
      @antonioesposito8071 Рік тому

      Alias, NX, CATIA or Icem

    • @kimbo566
      @kimbo566 Рік тому +1

      @@Astraeus.. I have never met a Alias modeler that is reasonably well trained after a year.

  • @migo-migo9503
    @migo-migo9503 Рік тому

    I gotta say, that is a pretty cool job!

  • @zyanidwarfare5634
    @zyanidwarfare5634 Рік тому

    That’s badass… if I was those companies I’d put the older models I in a company owned museum style thing, having them all on display and such
    I bet eventually the models would pay for themselves as exhibits with tourists and such coming to see them

  • @lazyButAlive
    @lazyButAlive Рік тому +23

    please add a Celsius Degrees. The wholeworld expect 3 countries using freakn Fahrenheit :'D

  • @everymp
    @everymp Рік тому +3

    Who knew playing with play-doh could one day result in a real job? 😁

  • @Yadudeboibro
    @Yadudeboibro Рік тому +1

    8:22 really like the clay color on the porsche wonder if they have a matching paint code for their clay 😂

    • @ImportedFromSerbia
      @ImportedFromSerbia Рік тому

      you can have any color of your choice. just bring the bag with greenies. :)

  • @sniglom
    @sniglom Рік тому +2

    Holds a lid from the Ikea Chosigt cheese grater:
    "This is quite a crude tool, but it's almost like a cheese grater"

  • @spencertidd
    @spencertidd Рік тому +3

    3:50 That is 100% a cheese grater, I have the exact same one in my cupboard. Maybe I have a clay grater that I'm using for cheese? Who knew?

  • @leokimvideo
    @leokimvideo Рік тому +16

    Pretty simple to explain, clay can easily be taken away or added to. It's not bloody rocket science

  • @TheCraig031272
    @TheCraig031272 Рік тому

    Mark puts me in mind of the late, great Sean Lock

  • @nethiuz9165
    @nethiuz9165 Рік тому

    I am amazed at the super thin sheet that looks just like they painted the damn thing!

  • @mylesisthename
    @mylesisthename Рік тому +3

    to all the people before these milling robots were a thing I salute you 😂

  • @TELLViSiON
    @TELLViSiON Рік тому +3

    I never knew that. Do they keep the Clay sculpture in their museum or do they destroy it or reuse the clay for next model ?

    • @Sashazur
      @Sashazur Рік тому +1

      Clay isn’t free and neither is storage space. My guess is most models are eventually destroyed and the clay and other parts get reused if possible.

  • @ES_Glenn
    @ES_Glenn Рік тому

    I used to visit Cleveland Institute of Art back in highschool (late 90's) and loved seeing the masterminds in the automotive design department there.

    • @razoraz
      @razoraz Рік тому

      Car design is kind of a rock star career. From my understanding, Art Center Pasadena is the premier school to get into the industry.

  • @PolySpikeAndWave
    @PolySpikeAndWave Рік тому

    This is the coolest job ever !!

  • @nonnnth
    @nonnnth Рік тому +33

    I love this kind of stuff

  • @tasneemchoudhury
    @tasneemchoudhury Рік тому

    I'm very surprised that these models are not 3D printed yet. I'm glad that traditions are still in place. This looks amazing.

  • @elconquistador932
    @elconquistador932 Рік тому +1

    My uncle worked in models and clay for AMC and later Chrysler. He's partially responsible for the Pacer. He did say they didn't go very long between laughs.

  • @kkkk-wg6je
    @kkkk-wg6je Рік тому +8

    4 years for a 150 raptor model and it looks just like the old one with a new front grill.

  • @radincerny5013
    @radincerny5013 Рік тому +5

    I just saw a video about Audi SQ7 TDI (3 turbos, 4L, 8V). It needs an important engine-maintenance after 80 000km. Yes, 80 000km! If you ignore it and do this maintenance in 150 000km, your car might be dead already or it will be very expensive. So I am asking. Does it make a sense to invest so much afford and energy into designing modern cars when their quality is so low? 150 000 km is nothing in my eyes.. What do you think? My ordinary simple car only needs oil and filters and 200 000 km is not a problem.

  • @randomnumbers84269
    @randomnumbers84269 2 місяці тому

    This gives me newfound respect for the car industry. What a traditional and time consuming process this is, requiring vast amounts of labor and professionalism.

  • @plsdonttttt
    @plsdonttttt Рік тому

    at opel (GM) I saw the new corsa in brown clay 10 years or so before it was released

  • @53kenner
    @53kenner Рік тому +3

    My uncle was a clay modeler for Ford Styling, in Dearborn. At that time, you had no CNC machines to cut out the model, nor computer graphics to examine. It was all pencil and paper drawings converted into blueprints. Modeling bridges kept dimensions and symmetry correct. Once a model was built, designers would look at it, and then specify changes to sweeten the design. No digital scanners came into play, but people would build templates from acetate. Maybe that's why cars like the original Mustang are classics, people were hands on all the way through.

  • @John_Smith_86
    @John_Smith_86 Рік тому +14

    I wish they can make a car based solely on production cost, fuel efficiency and reliability (while still complying with all safety standards). I don't give a crap about the looks, or how fast it can get to 60mph. I just want to spend less. I don't mind if it looks unstylish

    • @chrissmith3587
      @chrissmith3587 Рік тому +1

      Have you considered a Renault twizy

    • @John_Smith_86
      @John_Smith_86 Рік тому +3

      @@chrissmith3587 Seems great on the cost and fuel aspects. But 2 stars on safety is a bit concerning.

    • @MALIK-fk1rz
      @MALIK-fk1rz Рік тому +13

      go get a corolla then brokie

    • @chrissmith3587
      @chrissmith3587 Рік тому

      @@John_Smith_86 that’s cause these quadricycles are very small, they will always struggle on crash test.
      In a normal car the front of the car is designed to crumple to absorb energy in a crash, as the twizy is so small there isn’t much material to absorb energy of a crash.
      This is why even small cars are so big today, and once you are making such an expensive vehicle why wouldn’t you try to make it pretty (it does matter for most users).
      You won’t be able to meet both of your requirements, without assuming that you won’t crash

    • @John_Smith_86
      @John_Smith_86 Рік тому

      @@chrissmith3587 Reasonable. But then I rather keep my life. Haha. :)

  • @ikeekieeki
    @ikeekieeki 9 місяців тому

    i never imagined such as this

  • @MD-MILON_MIAH
    @MD-MILON_MIAH Рік тому

    🧡Your Video is fantastic 👈👈

  • @NavalLacrosse
    @NavalLacrosse Рік тому +4

    I'm So glad to work in this environment.
    All automakers share these traditional practices.
    The skill and artistry that goes on behind the scenes is amazing.

  • @TienShanTaoistInternalArts
    @TienShanTaoistInternalArts Рік тому +9

    I'll tell you a little insider secret. One of the main uses of clay is to add 'updates' to an existing real car. This is why the first iteration is often nice and smooth and later versions have all kinds of stupid junk added on in order to make it next years model.