Good review - thank you Sam. I am a OO modeller and you make several comparisons between TT and OO. But, I wonder if you might also start to compare TT to N, to help those modellers who are considering moving "up" a size, rather than "down". Keep up the good work!
I run multiple of both units in rio grande and santa fe liveries and must say they are truly a gold standard in the realm of how detailed a tiny loco can be
I love how there's basically been a coreless motor redemption arc on this channel. Cool to see that they managed to gear the speed down reasonably. It's a little annoying that they designed for a flywheel but couldn't implement it, that's something they should've seen ahead of time, perhaps they could've designed for the motor connections to go somewhere else? It seems like a fair locomotive, but I agree that it could be better value. With the size and detail level I don't think its listed price is a great deal. I'm thinking about trying TT scale myself, probably antique ones though because I live in the US and probably couldn't afford the shipping to try to get it from Hornby.
I also live in US. Hornby has free shipping when you spend over £200. They also do not charge you VAT 20%. The challenge is them having enough stock of products to get free shipping. Otherwise costs £30.
A interesting review, I also have a 08 and I've been very impressed with it. Yes it doesn't run as slow as the OO one but its got better control than the Farish N gauge one so that's a plus. Power doesn't seem to be a issue either as I've seen videos online of 18 plus wagon trains behind one. Also having the other wagons, I'd be interested in what you think of them.
I think its very attractive. For the price its quite okay to good if you consider your discount. As a OO and N gauge enjoyer I say this locomotive has decent detail. I do think however the absence of a flywheel is a bit strange because like you said they didn't fill in the space for better weight. I got small N scale Japanese locomotives and even those have massive flywheels and the performance is sweet from those. Aside from that the quality seems okay as well. Normally I say the buffer which is about to drop off is a bit insulting for any price but considering Hornby's new attempts into this scale, I say for the time being its alright provided they improve it in future releases. Great review of a cute little loco, Sam 👍👍
The clear windows parts not being square with the windows openings is the only thing to make it look like a toy. Also, to make engine bodies look more "used" is to spray a bit of clear matt clear-coat from a spray can. Can make plastic look like metal.
The advantage of TT is that a more true-to-scale representation of a real place can be created. With OO gauge, you are always limited and forced into having buildings that are diminutive by comparison with their full-sized counterparts. Maybe you should focus more on the modelling possibilities in this scale, and have the locos and rolling stock as a supporting cast rather than as the main actors as you do in OO scale? Thanks for uploading.
My only complaint is the astronomical length of theses videos other than that your reviews are for the most part very fair and honest much respect Sam.
I *just* got into N scale thanks to Tomix and Kato; I really, really can't afford *another* scale - but your videos tempt me so much H0/OO, and N are my jam right now
I was considering TT too but it still hasn't released in Australia and I went with Japanese N instead. It has a huge selection with not just the big two manufacturers Kato and Tomix but also tons of smaller ones. It's also very light on the budget compared to pretty much anything else too. $14 coaches is nuts.
I'm really suprise that this doesn't have a flywheel, because the quarry Hunslet has a flywheel and it's small, that's really strange. Cheers Jasper & Willow
Nice loco i have one.but as you say lights would have been nice i would have liked a green one to make it more in line with the wagons age.hopefully more liveries will come soon.will you be doing any 3d printed TT wagons. 3smr do wheels etc .
I have 10 boxes full of TT trains i inherited from my dad in germany, im in Canada, excited to see hornby realse this scale, im going to build my nephew a layout using what i have.
TT the thinking mans scale ,good review ,i truly hope TT takes off ,you could fit a fly-wheel on the stub either with a grub screw or superglue ,let's hope the other major players take a gamble and produce some loco's
TT would be a no brainer is just one other manufacture would just announce a release. I get the sense though that Hornby introducing TT is akin to declaring war on other manufacturers especially those like Dapol who are investing in N gauge
12:00 I don't want to be that guy but i believe Hornbys screw link couplings are underscaled for OO Gauge as well. They're HO Scale which they'd use on their European models in the Arnold or Rivarossi, bachmann do screw links that are actually to the right scale I'm sure but again I could he wrong because I've fitted Hornby screw links to a HO Lima class 33 and it looked correct without any issue 😅
Thanks for the review Sam. Shame about the "missing" flywheel but I suppose owners could utilise the space for some extra weight to be fitted? The soldering on the decoder plug looks rather messy.
Hi Sam, A couple of things regarding price that you don't seem to have taken into account. Manufacturing costs for TT are almost identical to OO. The vast majority of costs are labour which is the same, then tooling which is the same with materials being only a tiny fraction of the cost. There might be some savings on transport, but that's assuming every container is completely full which may not be the case. Also remember you get reward points which equate to another 10% off the price. Overall TT is significantly cheaper than OO, especially locos and coaches (not so much wagons). For instance including the club discounts a TT A4 is £124 compared to OO at £196. And the train sets and bundles are even better value. Locos and coaches are pretty much on a par with second hand OO. I do think wagons could be a bit cheaper, but based on an email reply I had from Simon Kohler I wouldn't be surprised to see some wagon packs/bundles coming out at some point, though that's an educated guess on my part, reading between the lines.
Every video is the same and every video there are a host of messages explaining why you should not compare cost of TT to cost of OO based on the physical size etc and yet, every time, he reverts to type. It is most odd. And, as someone else posted, he does not make the same comparison of cost, physical weight etc to N, which would be an equally valid comparison. I find it frustrating. Having said that, I think the rest of the review is fair and balanced.
Hi Sam, brilliant review as we have come to expect😎. I noted that your comment related to the front buffer, (11:26) this looks like a broken element to me, as in the close up you could see the fractured angled sections of plastic where it had been previously part of the buffer beam. Hard to say where/when this might have happened though. Was there any stay alive in the unit, essential for short wheel base loco's? The screw link coupling was a joke...... Keep up the good work. 👍
Hi Sam, always look forward to seeing your videos. Have you done a review on the latest GWR Hornby Pentolino Class 800 loco/train set? If you haven't would you be doing one in the near future? Regards
It's a lovely looking loco.. I was so excited to get mine in the post. Mine isn't perfect, it sometimes needs a shove as I think the pickups aren't perfectly touching the wheels, but I hope I can resolve that and running in will help it's performance. I need to set up a loop first though. I'd have loved directional lights, but this wasn't ever part of the spec. Perhaps Hornby can add this, plus a flywheel in a future update?
Hi Sam, The TT couplers are a bit of a mystery to me.. They look a bit complicated and hard to line up? I m curious as to how exactly do they work on uncoupler ramps ? Could you find time to show us how they operate?
Oohhhh that Shunter is so cute! On my N Scale layout I can only really have small locos due to the turn radius, so I'm used to seeing tiny shunting babies. When other TT Gauge things come out from other companies, do you plan on covering them? I know Arnold has some, but they mostly due continental european locos.
@@gazzasal9724 I use the tightest, non pocket line Kato Unitrack for the inner loop, 216mm radius. I haven't tested a bo-bo yet (don't have THAT much spare cash for engines!) but I know that my pacific couldn't handle it.
Not wishing to rain on Hornby's TT Parade, but... I haven't actually got one myself, since I don't model in 2mm, but the Graham Farish N gauge class 08 looks to have better detail, and it comes with a sound-fitted option... 😃
Just a thought on size and complexity- things don't get cheaper as they get smaller- look for comparison at the Graham Farish 08. Otherwise good reviewing as always.
I am surprised Hornby didn't made a steam loco the size of their 08 when launching the TT range (like the LMS Jinty). they announced a fair amount of diesels at the start but only mk3s, tankers, and hoppers for them to pull. Hornby made Gresley A1/A3 and A4 and the LMS Princess Coronation with Pullmans, LMS coaches, Mk1s, open wagons, box vans, tankers, and brake vans for them to pull. Maybe if they released the 08 in an era 6 livery, I wouldn't be complaining as much.
Recently treated myself to one of these and, since this video, it has actually gone up in price. £136.99 RRP or £116 with club discount. Still I'm looking forward to owning my first ever 08.
Good review here Sam, nice to finally see a diesel locomotive in theTT range now even if it is just a small shunting locomotive, only got one class 08 in my OO collection and it is a really nice bachmann one.
Is the turntable for the detail section something new for your reviews now, or just for today? Just saying, I kinda like the use of it. Great video as usual!
Very nice. I'll be getting one, as my local club's chairman has said it'd be good to have a TT:120 layout for next year's open day (which I can build to be portable and store at home). I'll have the layout set in the late 70s early 80s, so I can have HSTs and 08s and MGR trains and whatnot. I hope you review the HST, when it is released. One thing with the price, is it scales well with Hornby's 00 RRPs. In some cases, very well (the HST is less than half the price in TT:120 as in 00). But, we all know Hornby's 00 prices are too high...
you are so inspirational i am currently running a class 4 loco in br green with hornby thomas and friends green express coaches right now keep it up im going to york for a couple of days 8th till 9th of july and going to ride the flying scotsman on the 9th i think york to carlisle station keep the inspration up man
My N-Scale diesels have so much detail, im really not surprised with the detail on this one. But i will say, as a canadian id expect a locomotive of that size to be around $100-110 CAD, i dont know what that translates into pounds (to bothered to look it up) but im sure its less then the price you got it for. I mainly buy used (i like fixing stuff, its a bit of an addiction), but i do look at the prices of newer locomotives. Anyways, back to N-Scale. Most of mine are all plastic, the chassis on mine are all diecast aswell. This isnt TT, but i do fully know that N is close to TT. The price for my locomotives are usually slightly more expensive than H0. The detail however is very similar to what id expect out of buying a new N locomotive. And if you get any locomotive with railings, dont expect any of the railings to be stiff. Even with H0 locomotives, as youve probally seen. Its rather common in the US & Canada. Considering your reviews, i guess its just different standards. Thanks for reading, if you do.
Got one 😁 agree with your review, great little loco, although I'm maybe a bit more impressed with the detail, the fine coupling rod looks great compared to the chunky looking one on my n gauge 08. Biggest problem for me is the lack of speaker...Bachmann / Farish managed to pre-fit a speaker in the new n gauge 08 so it should be doable in TT but there's no sound fitted option.
hi sam i was wondering how you convert normal point's to digital point's so the app can pick it up . i have never done this so would like a step to step guide as a video or as a reply. i currently have 3-6 normal hornby controllers
Hi! Good video as usual. Would like you to review and compare a locomotive and or rolling stock from other TT manufacturers, namely Arnold as it is part of the Hornby group, as well as Tillig. Here in Canada there is no possibility of going to the local hobby shop to check out the latest in European trains, at least where I live. I have ordered some Arnold TT container cars. Looking forward to getting them. I am starting to add to my Hornby TT collection, so any review along those lines would be very well appreciated. Keep up the excellent work. Cheers!
Sam are you going to look at N Gauge? not much smaller than TT 120 but with a large range of stock. Similar price, maybe a little more but deals can be made plus its easily avalable.
Good, thorough review. I'm still not sure about TT120 vs 3mm, there was a charm about 3mm in terms of its larger size (TT120 being closer to 2mm). Sadly Sam, I think that some in Hornby, "don't know railways", many younger CAD jockeys don't have the same knowledge or interest in Eg cars, trains, aircraft, that their elder predecessors do (that can be a double edged sword). Loose buffer housings aren't acceptable at that price point imho. The number application looks to be silkscreened (memories of Lima 00)? The rest are transfers/decals? The couplings might work okay but they look dire. There's something wrong with A4 at the smokebox end, the "nose" doesn't look right, looks like it's hit something head on. Similarly there's something a bit off about the 08 too (maybe the radiator grill is too thick with side on view? And the chassis' wheelbase too short? From other angles it looks pretty good) hard to tell exactly what is wrong, as no one seems to have put it up against a prototype drawing or photo. Weathering might help tone down the overly large grill (yellow, red etc are warning colours and attract the human eye, so toning that area down might help). The coupling/connecting rods are commendably fine. I did ponder the drawing vs the reality of a flywheel Eg I didn't think they'd actually fitted one. After running-in it seems to work well enough, but is it good enough to work as a shunter? I've no clue how those continental couplings work in that regard either (shame Hornby couldn't have invented a new coupling as British outline is not likely to be used with continental stock). The price point of TT120 makes all aspects a considered purchase, I love 3mm, always have, never engaged as I model 7mm (and 0-16.5) and SM32 and they're builder's scales, 3mm being more of a challenge, but I'm not yet convinced by TT120. I'll probably loose my free collectors club advantages and will allow such to lapse.
On wow, another review already, and a great one again. Perfect to wind down our day 😀 Tbh, either TT or OO/HO, H would really be at the bottom of our list. Always the same with them... Broken or wonky parts (two buffers this time and a coupling), not flush mounted pieces (glazing), no running lights (LEDs are tiny enough to apply them for a light tunnel, even in this small scale)... Instructions and commerce not corresponding to reality in the box... Incidentally a H in the collection perhaps but we can't take them seriously... Have they fixed the TT curve geometry issue btw...? Great review as always Sam, but H..., pass... Cheerio.
I am a TT fan, and even with the discount I feel this is still too much money for a Loco of this size. I would have liked to have seen it under a 100 and then have the TT120 Club discount. Nice review Sam.
with the brake van have included guard rails on all 4 doorways and a guard and painted the body to dull the plastic down and roof grey instead of black plastic.
Im torn about buying TT stuff. I like the BR era but would want a class 37 in railfreight coal era livery. I really dont know what to do about this stuff. 🤔
I have a spare piece of plywood and I was considering a diesel TT:120 layout but if Hornby are not adding lights, I am not going to bother. This is like a Railroad quality loco. Have you thought about adding scenery to your TT layout?
Interesting review, thank you. It may be pedantic but I do think it's worth calling it 'TT:120' rather than 'TT', which is significantly larger and has been around for 60 odd years. I rather wish Hornby had adopted the old scale, calling it 'TT:100' perhaps. 120 seems just too close to N and I can't see any advantage in compliance with European TT. Keep up the excellent work!
Hi Sam, With NO Lights or Flywheel, wouldn’t pay any more than £75 for the Hornby TT 08. If Hornby want to charge European style prices for their TT Locomotives, then they need to supply European style levels of detail. Adrian.
Good review, amazed at the quality considering the size but always been an off put for me the price from N to TT, to OO isn’t that much, and for a little more money get a lot more model for your money… any plans to get this board decorated? Something like the woodland scenics mountain diorama kit would help make this look a little more interesting
I do like the idea of TT and this 08 doesn't look half bad - except for the wonky buffers which are glaring obvious and not acceptable for a quality model. I like the finish which at the size is quite intricate. Reasonable crawl for a shunter, but too high gearing. Seems a tad expensive compared to 00 (Hattons P class £85 and stunning) although given the size must present its own problems/cost. Any thoughts of a little scenery on the layout? Cheers Sam as always, love your reviews.
Will you get a TT station? I feel like your new engines should have somthing to do, perhaps even paint the bare wood into another colour and glue some spare parts to show left over wheels and abandoned parts, nothing complex but somthing to make the layout you've got more interesting
The 08s are my favorite. Not a great choice for someone living in the U.S. I did pre-order the TT. If you think the TT is tiny. Check out the Graham Farish N scale. There's an even smaller T Gauge out there.
Good review - thank you Sam. I am a OO modeller and you make several comparisons between TT and OO. But, I wonder if you might also start to compare TT to N, to help those modellers who are considering moving "up" a size, rather than "down". Keep up the good work!
This is looks incredible for the size. Hornby really knocking it out the park with their initial TT offering
I have never seen my brother so excited for a sams trains review 😂
hahaha fantastic!! :D
That kind looks like Sidney the class 08 has been based on we’ll remembered him from Thomas and Friends
Sidney, Diesel and Paxton are essentially siblings
The class 08 in TT is so cute. Seems like
The perfect size for a little portable suitcase layout.
haha absolutely!! :D
@@SamsTrainsunless it’s Devious Diesel, Arry, Bert, Splatter or Dodge. Maybe if it’s Sidney or Paxton, though
@@everythingproductions2004unfortunately we will never get a TT:120 Thomas range :(
@@MSMFurcorn22 true
@@MSMFurcorn22yeah, I had an idea tho where they would make the narrow gauge or miniature gauge locos for that scale
First person I’ve seen notice the missing flywheel. Quality, in-depth review as always. Thanks Sam
I do hope that Hornby's current stab at TT works in the long run for them.
I'd love to see if you could 3D print your own TT scale class 08 or class 13 and put them head to head in low speed performance.
That's a great idea - I'd love to try! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I run multiple of both units in rio grande and santa fe liveries and must say they are truly a gold standard in the realm of how detailed a tiny loco can be
I love how there's basically been a coreless motor redemption arc on this channel.
Cool to see that they managed to gear the speed down reasonably. It's a little annoying that they designed for a flywheel but couldn't implement it, that's something they should've seen ahead of time, perhaps they could've designed for the motor connections to go somewhere else? It seems like a fair locomotive, but I agree that it could be better value. With the size and detail level I don't think its listed price is a great deal. I'm thinking about trying TT scale myself, probably antique ones though because I live in the US and probably couldn't afford the shipping to try to get it from Hornby.
I also live in US. Hornby has free shipping when you spend over £200. They also do not charge you VAT 20%. The challenge is them having enough stock of products to get free shipping. Otherwise costs £30.
Sam's word of 2023: egregious :P Great video as always!
A interesting review, I also have a 08 and I've been very impressed with it. Yes it doesn't run as slow as the OO one but its got better control than the Farish N gauge one so that's a plus. Power doesn't seem to be a issue either as I've seen videos online of 18 plus wagon trains behind one. Also having the other wagons, I'd be interested in what you think of them.
The best review channel on UA-cam.
Thank you so so much!
finally the class 08 has arrived! so excited to get mine!
haha yeah - it's very exciting isn't it?? :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
👍Looks good. Screws ! Really well crafted mechanism. Gotta give it a C .
Good Review , Thanks Sam.
I think its very attractive. For the price its quite okay to good if you consider your discount. As a OO and N gauge enjoyer I say this locomotive has decent detail. I do think however the absence of a flywheel is a bit strange because like you said they didn't fill in the space for better weight. I got small N scale Japanese locomotives and even those have massive flywheels and the performance is sweet from those. Aside from that the quality seems okay as well. Normally I say the buffer which is about to drop off is a bit insulting for any price but considering Hornby's new attempts into this scale, I say for the time being its alright provided they improve it in future releases. Great review of a cute little loco, Sam 👍👍
The clear windows parts not being square with the windows openings is the only thing to make it look like a toy. Also, to make engine bodies look more "used" is to spray a bit of clear matt clear-coat from a spray can. Can make plastic look like metal.
Oh blimey!!! That giant brakeman is having fun again.
The advantage of TT is that a more true-to-scale representation of a real place can be created. With OO gauge, you are always limited and forced into having buildings that are diminutive by comparison with their full-sized counterparts. Maybe you should focus more on the modelling possibilities in this scale, and have the locos and rolling stock as a supporting cast rather than as the main actors as you do in OO scale? Thanks for uploading.
My only complaint is the astronomical length of theses videos other than that your reviews are for the most part very fair and honest much respect Sam.
You do know you can skip forward?
The very wonky buffers would drive me mad and it doesn't run slowly enough for a shunter.
I *just* got into N scale thanks to Tomix and Kato; I really, really can't afford *another* scale - but your videos tempt me so much
H0/OO, and N are my jam right now
I was considering TT too but it still hasn't released in Australia and I went with Japanese N instead. It has a huge selection with not just the big two manufacturers Kato and Tomix but also tons of smaller ones. It's also very light on the budget compared to pretty much anything else too. $14 coaches is nuts.
I'm really suprise that this doesn't have a flywheel, because the quarry Hunslet has a flywheel and it's small, that's really strange.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Yeah me too - it's a pity about that!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Yes, a flywheel and lower gearing would transform this model from 'good' to 'great'.
Great Review Sam.
That Buffer Drooping Down was Annoying me, just watching the Review.
Thx for your Efforts.
Cheers kim in Oz.😎
Nice loco i have one.but as you say lights would have been nice i would have liked a green one to make
it more in line with the wagons age.hopefully more liveries will come soon.will you be doing any 3d printed TT wagons. 3smr do wheels etc .
Thanks for uploading! Think I’m going to get a TT 08 for my Collection now.
Hi Sam, Nice review, a getting to like the TT range, All the best Brian 😃
I have 10 boxes full of TT trains i inherited from my dad in germany, im in Canada, excited to see hornby realse this scale, im going to build my nephew a layout using what i have.
TT the thinking mans scale ,good review ,i truly hope TT takes off ,you could fit a fly-wheel on the stub either with a grub screw or superglue ,let's hope the other major players take a gamble and produce some loco's
TT would be a no brainer is just one other manufacture would just announce a release. I get the sense though that Hornby introducing TT is akin to declaring war on other manufacturers especially those like Dapol who are investing in N gauge
12:00 I don't want to be that guy but i believe Hornbys screw link couplings are underscaled for OO Gauge as well. They're HO Scale which they'd use on their European models in the Arnold or Rivarossi, bachmann do screw links that are actually to the right scale I'm sure but again I could he wrong because I've fitted Hornby screw links to a HO Lima class 33 and it looked correct without any issue 😅
Thanks for the review Sam. Shame about the "missing" flywheel but I suppose owners could utilise the space for some extra weight to be fitted?
The soldering on the decoder plug looks rather messy.
Hi Sam,
A couple of things regarding price that you don't seem to have taken into account. Manufacturing costs for TT are almost identical to OO.
The vast majority of costs are labour which is the same, then tooling which is the same with materials being only a tiny fraction of the cost. There might be some savings on transport, but that's assuming every container is completely full which may not be the case.
Also remember you get reward points which equate to another 10% off the price.
Overall TT is significantly cheaper than OO, especially locos and coaches (not so much wagons). For instance including the club discounts a TT A4 is £124 compared to OO at £196. And the train sets and bundles are even better value.
Locos and coaches are pretty much on a par with second hand OO. I do think wagons could be a bit cheaper, but based on an email reply I had from Simon Kohler I wouldn't be surprised to see some wagon packs/bundles coming out at some point, though that's an educated guess on my part, reading between the lines.
Every video is the same and every video there are a host of messages explaining why you should not compare cost of TT to cost of OO based on the physical size etc and yet, every time, he reverts to type. It is most odd. And, as someone else posted, he does not make the same comparison of cost, physical weight etc to N, which would be an equally valid comparison. I find it frustrating. Having said that, I think the rest of the review is fair and balanced.
are you going to review the new bachmann ryan n2?
Yes I'm planning to :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains hooray!!
Hi Sam great review had mine last week but dose seem to struggle with 10 wagons glad you said should be slow mine seems slow
Hi Sam, brilliant review as we have come to expect😎. I noted that your comment related to the front buffer, (11:26) this looks like a broken element to me, as in the close up you could see the fractured angled sections of plastic where it had been previously part of the buffer beam. Hard to say where/when this might have happened though. Was there any stay alive in the unit, essential for short wheel base loco's? The screw link coupling was a joke...... Keep up the good work. 👍
Good stuff Sam. More TT reviews please. Are you going to do any more work on the TT layout?
You should add a tt model track beside your original 00 track, so its bigger and can have switches etc. like test on points
I missed the TT part of the description. Love your reviews, but I only have N, HO & OO equipment. Not your fault, mine entirely. Cheers, mate.
Hi Sam, always look forward to seeing your videos. Have you done a review on the latest GWR Hornby Pentolino Class 800 loco/train set? If you haven't would you be doing one in the near future?
Regards
It's a lovely looking loco..
I was so excited to get mine in the post.
Mine isn't perfect, it sometimes needs a shove as I think the pickups aren't perfectly touching the wheels, but I hope I can resolve that and running in will help it's performance. I need to set up a loop first though.
I'd have loved directional lights, but this wasn't ever part of the spec. Perhaps Hornby can add this, plus a flywheel in a future update?
Hi Sam,
The TT couplers are a bit of a mystery to me.. They look a bit complicated and hard to line up? I m curious as to how exactly do they work on uncoupler ramps ? Could you find time to show us how they operate?
Fantastic video, I do like the TT range but I'm not too convinced tbh. I'll stick with my Bachmann one! Also, have you ordered an Accura Siphon?
That's fair enough! And yes I've ordered one :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Re the 'missing flywheel', perhaps Hornby left it out as the space could be used for a speaker?
Great review. Further to John KF's suggestion below, could you try 3D printing some of you own custom TT scale wagons??
Oohhhh that Shunter is so cute! On my N Scale layout I can only really have small locos due to the turn radius, so I'm used to seeing tiny shunting babies.
When other TT Gauge things come out from other companies, do you plan on covering them? I know Arnold has some, but they mostly due continental european locos.
haha absolutely - this is up your street then! And sure, if there are locos/coaches/wagons, I will cover them! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I believe Arnold is Hornby's European brand. Can I ask what radius you use for your n gauge and do you run Bo Bo diesels?
@@gazzasal9724 I use the tightest, non pocket line Kato Unitrack for the inner loop, 216mm radius. I haven't tested a bo-bo yet (don't have THAT much spare cash for engines!) but I know that my pacific couldn't handle it.
@@gazzasal9724 Actually, gimmie a few days and I might be able to tell you.
@@saintdane05 cheers 👍
Not wishing to rain on Hornby's TT Parade, but...
I haven't actually got one myself, since I don't model in 2mm, but the Graham Farish N gauge class 08 looks to have better detail, and it comes with a sound-fitted option... 😃
Just a thought on size and complexity- things don't get cheaper as they get smaller- look for comparison at the Graham Farish 08. Otherwise good reviewing as always.
I am surprised Hornby didn't made a steam loco the size of their 08 when launching the TT range (like the LMS Jinty). they announced a fair amount of diesels at the start but only mk3s, tankers, and hoppers for them to pull. Hornby made Gresley A1/A3 and A4 and the LMS Princess Coronation with Pullmans, LMS coaches, Mk1s, open wagons, box vans, tankers, and brake vans for them to pull. Maybe if they released the 08 in an era 6 livery, I wouldn't be complaining as much.
Recently treated myself to one of these and, since this video, it has actually gone up in price. £136.99 RRP or £116 with club discount. Still I'm looking forward to owning my first ever 08.
Its hard to judge its small size from the videos as only Sams finger to compare with! But the detail looks great for the scale.
Good review here Sam, nice to finally see a diesel locomotive in theTT range now even if it is just a small shunting locomotive, only got one class 08 in my OO collection and it is a really nice bachmann one.
Thanks very much David - that sounds good, I like my Bachmann one too!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Is the turntable for the detail section something new for your reviews now, or just for today? Just saying, I kinda like the use of it. Great video as usual!
Very nice. I'll be getting one, as my local club's chairman has said it'd be good to have a TT:120 layout for next year's open day (which I can build to be portable and store at home). I'll have the layout set in the late 70s early 80s, so I can have HSTs and 08s and MGR trains and whatnot.
I hope you review the HST, when it is released.
One thing with the price, is it scales well with Hornby's 00 RRPs. In some cases, very well (the HST is less than half the price in TT:120 as in 00). But, we all know Hornby's 00 prices are too high...
you are so inspirational i am currently running a class 4 loco in br green with hornby thomas and friends green express coaches right now keep it up im going to york for a couple of days 8th till 9th of july and going to ride the flying scotsman on the 9th i think york to carlisle station keep the inspration up man
Interesting little critter. I just see that extra empty space as room for a cube style speaker with baffle.
My N-Scale diesels have so much detail, im really not surprised with the detail on this one. But i will say, as a canadian id expect a locomotive of that size to be around $100-110 CAD, i dont know what that translates into pounds (to bothered to look it up) but im sure its less then the price you got it for. I mainly buy used (i like fixing stuff, its a bit of an addiction), but i do look at the prices of newer locomotives. Anyways, back to N-Scale. Most of mine are all plastic, the chassis on mine are all diecast aswell. This isnt TT, but i do fully know that N is close to TT. The price for my locomotives are usually slightly more expensive than H0. The detail however is very similar to what id expect out of buying a new N locomotive. And if you get any locomotive with railings, dont expect any of the railings to be stiff. Even with H0 locomotives, as youve probally seen. Its rather common in the US & Canada. Considering your reviews, i guess its just different standards.
Thanks for reading, if you do.
Real-life British trains are about the same size as USA subway trains. So your 'N' trains are probably the same as our 'TT' ones. 🙂
@@chrisredding6673 N Scale is about 3 millimetres smaller rail to rail then TT, but I'll take that.
@@realcanadian67 I meant the 'cross section' of the train. Real-life American/Canadian trains tower over ours, and are about 1/3 wider.
@@chrisredding6673 ah, ok.
Amazing video today Sam beautiful locomotive thinking about starting tt range
Since you bring it up so often Sam, does either 00 class 08 have lights? As far as I am aware neither does (Bachmann and Hornby)
Got one 😁 agree with your review, great little loco, although I'm maybe a bit more impressed with the detail, the fine coupling rod looks great compared to the chunky looking one on my n gauge 08. Biggest problem for me is the lack of speaker...Bachmann / Farish managed to pre-fit a speaker in the new n gauge 08 so it should be doable in TT but there's no sound fitted option.
Where can one buy the tt scale flying scottsman set?
hi sam
i was wondering how you convert normal point's to digital point's so the app can pick it up .
i have never done this so would like a step to step guide as a video or as a reply.
i currently have 3-6 normal hornby controllers
Hey Sam quick question are you going to do a third season of salvage or scrap
"Single driven axle" - the connecting rods kinda make it so all axles are driven though?
Hi! Good video as usual. Would like you to review and compare a locomotive and or rolling stock from other TT manufacturers, namely Arnold as it is part of the Hornby group, as well as Tillig. Here in Canada there is no possibility of going to the local hobby shop to check out the latest in European trains, at least where I live. I have ordered some Arnold TT container cars. Looking forward to getting them. I am starting to add to my Hornby TT collection, so any review along those lines would be very well appreciated. Keep up the excellent work. Cheers!
Sam are you going to look at N Gauge? not much smaller than TT 120 but with a large range of stock. Similar price, maybe a little more but deals can be made plus its easily avalable.
I'd like to see the TT wagon reviewed with the TT van.
Good, thorough review.
I'm still not sure about TT120 vs 3mm, there was a charm about 3mm in terms of its larger size (TT120 being closer to 2mm).
Sadly Sam, I think that some in Hornby, "don't know railways", many younger CAD jockeys don't have the same knowledge or interest in Eg cars, trains, aircraft, that their elder predecessors do (that can be a double edged sword).
Loose buffer housings aren't acceptable at that price point imho. The number application looks to be silkscreened (memories of Lima 00)? The rest are transfers/decals?
The couplings might work okay but they look dire.
There's something wrong with A4 at the smokebox end, the "nose" doesn't look right, looks like it's hit something head on. Similarly there's something a bit off about the 08 too (maybe the radiator grill is too thick with side on view? And the chassis' wheelbase too short? From other angles it looks pretty good) hard to tell exactly what is wrong, as no one seems to have put it up against a prototype drawing or photo. Weathering might help tone down the overly large grill (yellow, red etc are warning colours and attract the human eye, so toning that area down might help).
The coupling/connecting rods are commendably fine.
I did ponder the drawing vs the reality of a flywheel Eg I didn't think they'd actually fitted one.
After running-in it seems to work well enough, but is it good enough to work as a shunter? I've no clue how those continental couplings work in that regard either (shame Hornby couldn't have invented a new coupling as British outline is not likely to be used with continental stock).
The price point of TT120 makes all aspects a considered purchase, I love 3mm, always have, never engaged as I model 7mm (and 0-16.5) and SM32 and they're builder's scales, 3mm being more of a challenge, but I'm not yet convinced by TT120. I'll probably loose my free collectors club advantages and will allow such to lapse.
On wow, another review already, and a great one again. Perfect to wind down our day 😀 Tbh, either TT or OO/HO, H would really be at the bottom of our list. Always the same with them... Broken or wonky parts (two buffers this time and a coupling), not flush mounted pieces (glazing), no running lights (LEDs are tiny enough to apply them for a light tunnel, even in this small scale)... Instructions and commerce not corresponding to reality in the box... Incidentally a H in the collection perhaps but we can't take them seriously... Have they fixed the TT curve geometry issue btw...? Great review as always Sam, but H..., pass... Cheerio.
I am a TT fan, and even with the discount I feel this is still too much money for a Loco of this size. I would have liked to have seen it under a 100 and then have the TT120 Club discount. Nice review Sam.
I really like this shunter I like livery BR blue on diesels looks so good
Can the TXS decoder fit in this?
with the brake van have included guard rails on all 4 doorways and a guard and painted the body to dull the plastic down and roof grey instead of black plastic.
Thanks for sharing - that sounds good!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Do you have Ngauge scale rail?
Im torn about buying TT stuff. I like the BR era but would want a class 37 in railfreight coal era livery. I really dont know what to do about this stuff. 🤔
I have a spare piece of plywood and I was considering a diesel TT:120 layout but if Hornby are not adding lights, I am not going to bother. This is like a Railroad quality loco. Have you thought about adding scenery to your TT layout?
tt scale is such a different gauge, a bit close to n scal,e but it look ssuper fun, but fiddly, nice review btw
Interesting review, thank you. It may be pedantic but I do think it's worth calling it 'TT:120' rather than 'TT', which is significantly larger and has been around for 60 odd years. I rather wish Hornby had adopted the old scale, calling it 'TT:100' perhaps. 120 seems just too close to N and I can't see any advantage in compliance with European TT. Keep up the excellent work!
120 is a true scale unlike OO or N.
Absolutely awesome Sam!
Thanks Max :D
Apparently according to dealers there is a current worldwide shortage of decoders of all types? So if this is available dcc fitted id go for that
Was the issue with the track ever sorted does anybody know?
Hi Sam, With NO Lights or Flywheel, wouldn’t pay any more than £75 for the Hornby TT 08. If Hornby want to charge European style prices for their TT Locomotives, then they need to supply European style levels of detail. Adrian.
I'm not really a diesel fan Sam, but great review ;)
Cheers Jasper & Willow
That's okay - thanks for looking anyway!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Looks great.can you 3d print some wagons and maybe a bull man also😊
Good review, amazed at the quality considering the size but always been an off put for me the price from N to TT, to OO isn’t that much, and for a little more money get a lot more model for your money… any plans to get this board decorated? Something like the woodland scenics mountain diorama kit would help make this look a little more interesting
Sam did you ever think of setting up an inner loop of TT track on your layout could double as a narrow gauge line
Cool, I do love an 08
So do I! :D
I wonder how weights compare to N guage?
I’m wondering if they jus forgot to fit the fly wheel on your model. That happened with my J15
I'm not sure - doesn't look like there would be room for one with those wires there!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have been thinking about getting a Class 08 Shunter for HO scale. But I do hear TT scale is pretty good👍👏
Does anyone do an H0 Class 08...?
That sounds good - this is fairly solid, as are the OO ones! Yes didn't LIMA do an HO 08?? Not 100% sure though!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@johncunningham6928 Some (real) 08s were exported to Holland, so you can get some in *true* Dutch livery!
Day 1 of tryig to get sam to review some scaletric cos why not
haha maybe one day!! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Yes please show more
Hi Sam,
I heard that Bachmann had just released Ryan for their Thomas range
Mind checking it out?
Beautiful Locomotive for a Micro Layout
I do like the idea of TT and this 08 doesn't look half bad - except for the wonky buffers which are glaring obvious and not acceptable for a quality model. I like the finish which at the size is quite intricate. Reasonable crawl for a shunter, but too high gearing. Seems a tad expensive compared to 00 (Hattons P class £85 and stunning) although given the size must present its own problems/cost. Any thoughts of a little scenery on the layout? Cheers Sam as always, love your reviews.
Actually, that TT screw link coupling looks like it might be slightly WIDER than the OO one
What about 3d print a class 47?
I nominate Sam as President of the “Screw-link Couplers” club. Sam in 2024! 😅
Will you get a TT station? I feel like your new engines should have somthing to do, perhaps even paint the bare wood into another colour and glue some spare parts to show left over wheels and abandoned parts, nothing complex but somthing to make the layout you've got more interesting
Maybe I should try one yeah, that's a good idea! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The 08s are my favorite. Not a great choice for someone living in the U.S. I did pre-order the TT. If you think the TT is tiny. Check out the Graham Farish N scale. There's an even smaller T Gauge out there.
I have 1 question Sam, is your bachmann Hall class's smokebox door a separate piece?
Cheers Jasper & Willow
I'm not too sure about that off-hand!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
That CE mark looks suspect at 14:35, I'm suprised Hornby are using it like that.