The crazy thing about how much the fandom hates him is how much they love Aketchi when they are so similar. I have seen so many people ask "what would Aketchi have been like if he had met the phantom thieves before becoming a murderer?" and the answer is KEN!!!! The only difference in their stories is that the man who ken wanted to get revenge against showed him empathy and kindness. In persona q2 Shinji even gives Aketchi the same advice he would give to Ken on October 4th which is to do what you feel is right but understand that your choices will have consequences. Shinji is my favorite character and it upsets me so much when I see Ken hate because it undermines what Shinji was fighting for.
@@artificialaceattorney6822 He's talking about people who are fans of Akechi though. Or more specifically, those who love Akechi for his backstory and hate Ken for October 4th at the same time, since those people are being hypocritical.
Joke's on you: I like Akechi AND Ken. Both are good characters and good examples of using the same backstory base, but how different circumstances and luck give different outcomes. Those that hate on Ken, imo, hate kids. Also, I rarely see someone who likes Akechi but hates Ken. It's more often I see people who hate both.
I absolutely agree with you. I personally love Ken, but really dislike Akechi, the reason being, Akechi was utterly consumed by hostility and negativity, whereas Ken was saved from it. It is true that both have some sort of similarities regarding their backstory, but the way they developed are entirely different. Ken stands as a symbol of hope and redemption; Akechi became a serial killer. If anything, this comparison has made me love Ken even more, knowing how bad things could've turned had his character arc not dodged that bullet. We need to protect Ken with all our might.
I think Akechi fans can't really let go of their picture perfect cinnamon roll idea of him. They'll always see him as the fake, soft, cutesy smiley boy image that he manufactured as his public facade. It doesn't help that Akechi is also fairly good looking, and that DOES help alot when getting people to forgive a character who did bad things. Personally, I never really understood how much people liked Akechi. I saw right through his act instantly, and the game practically does everything it can to wink wink nudge nudge to you that there's a hidden side to him that the audience isn't privy to the moment he's introduced, even before his true nature was revealed. I only really started to like him when he fully embraced being a villain.
I never understood the distaste for Ken, I enjoyed his arc a lot What always intrigued me about him was the fact you need to accept death to unlock your persona in this game. Which for a 10 year old really sold me on it.
Honestly, when you posted this poll, I voted for Nanako, because she was my favorite Justice character. But when I saw that Ken was lower than Chihiro I was confused. I recently got into Persona and I like Ken's character, so I was surprised that he was hated because he was the kid. And I wanted to know why they really hate him that much. So thanks for a good video!
Yeah, I feel like people kinda forget that he's a child that lost his mom a year prior to the events of P3 and that he basically tries to act like an adult to a near impulsive degree.
Ken's cool, I liked his development and resolve after Shinji's death. People just hate him for desiring revenge even though it's a logical emotion, especially for a child.
Imo, the hate stems form him being a child. All the reasons given by others are it's window dressing. It boils down to he's a kid acting... like a kid. Realistically. Yosuke suffers similar hate: he acts EXACTLY like a 16 year old boy in 2011 and people hate him for it. Mishima as well, acts realistically and people hate on him. Honestly, the pattern is "if the character acts realistically for age and circumstances, they will be hated" because it reflects negative aspects of society and a certain section of players hate that because they are reminded of their own flaws. Also notice it's mostly MALE characters.... I said what I said.
Having played 5R before 3R, I see Ken as a far more mentally stable version of Goro Akechi. Both were orphaned at a young age and both awakened to the power of a Persona with revenge being their primary goals. But Ken managed to make actual friends even while lying about his reasons for joining S.E.E.S. while Akechi remained alone with the exception of the superficial attention he got as the Detective Prince. Ken had a role model to call him out about his desire for vengeance and who cared for him unconditionally (Shinji) and witnessed firsthand just how horrible he could have turned out if he gave in to his desires. (Takaya) So Shinjiro's death and Ken deciding to posthumously see him as a role model of sorts was a great way to redeem Ken's character, with the addition of his desire to grow stronger and find a new meaning for his life at only 10/11 years old.
Well Akechi isn't an orphan though I'm sure we can all agree that he might as well have been given who his father is and another point in Ken's favor is that Ken made sure to keep innocent people from being caught in the crossfire whereas Akechi couldn't care less if innocents got hurt or even killed
@@infernape2010 Akechi was an orphan and he grew up with the people around him treating him like absolute trash because Japanese standards are sometimes also trash.
What ticked me off in reload was that he tried acting mature by saying he didn’t like featherman and that whole coffee shit. I understand the whole October 4th incident and don’t hate him for it though
Both Ken and Yukari are two of the most hated characters in Persona 3 for some weird reason and every time I ask someone who bashes them they always cook up the dumbest reasons on earth as to why. Thank you for creating this video so you can make these people reach out to the truth.
Yukari's hate is almost exclusive to the West. She's actually quite loved in Japan. The issue is that the west are trying WAY too hard to be "adults". Ironically that's the very thing Ken and the Magician characters do. They hate them because they relate to them. The west hate mirror's, it is what it is. As I've said far too many times. The most annoying thing about those trying to prove themselves "mature" adults, is that they often show less self awareness than actual children.
@@Ninja07Keaton That's pretty interesting. One thing I'm a bit disconnected with as well is people and their voice acting issues because my preferred way to experience P3 is P3 FES Undub which replaces some music with the Reincarnation ost and it has the japanese voices. I know Michelle Ruff makes Yukari sound so angry a lot of the time while japanese Yukari just sounds like a barking pink poodle to me. Things like that can really change how people view a character.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction Yukari doesn't "sound" angry, she IS angry. She lost her father at the age of 6 because of the inciting incident of the game. Father was blamed for this incident, and Yukari was hated and shunned by society BECAUSE SHE WAS HIS DAUGHTER. Yukari is far more graceful than most would be in this situation. If anything, she should have shown much more anger than she did. The worst part of having trauma is being expected by society to behave as though you don't have trauma. The hypocrisy of the western audience is almost suffocating, but these are the times we live in.
I think as a character, Ken, much like Nanako, and Akechi, have similar origins. All lost their mother, though the circumstances of their passing varies, with Ken & Akechi's being a result of unfortunate situations that led to them being orphaned at a young age. Nanako got off lucky since she still had her father around, and didn't witness her mother's death herself. All three are the justice arcana, and unlike Nanako, both Ken and Akechi were seeking justice not just for the death of their mothers, but also the crappy life they were left with, and without proper guidance by others, would have both gone down dark paths that would have shaped their lives; though Akechi has kind of gone farther down than Ken has. All three are associated with Light, are mature for their age, but have that air of innocence and yearning deep down, and wrestle with complicated feelings that require others in order to help them find clarity. I think in that regard, Ken works as well as Nanako or Akechi does.
I have to say it's rather disturbing how so many people love Akechi yet hate Ken as they both have similar backstories yet unlike Akechi who was completely deranged, Ken is more grounded and has better sense overall... Nearly all of the hate Ken gets is completely unwarranted and i think his persona being Nemesis and later Kala-Nemi couldn't be more fitting for him
I love Ken as a character and a concept. A suicidal kid who cares about nothing more than revenge on the one who killed his mom. I love how he tries to act mature for his age and I just love his entire character. Definitely my favorite p3 character with akihiko and mitsuru following him
Haven’t watched the video yet, but honestly 10/4 was Mitsuru, Akihiko’s, and Shuji’s faults for allowing him on the team and not keeping the date in mind
Then again, people who hates Ken probably wouldn't click this video in the first place. And since you put movie adaptation into consideration, I also want to point out that in P4 route of PQ, there is a conversation between Ken and Kanji which Ken confesses his revenge plot, but also starts being hesitant about it at some point; he even asks Kanji "what would you do if the culprit you're after turns out to be a good person?" It shows that, despite the hate, Ken is still sensible enough to realize that Shinjiro is actually a good person, and find his own plan to be at least questionable. Even if we exclude the spinoff, the line "I needed someone to hate, to keep myself going." proofs that he does understand his wrongdoing as the coping mechanism to push down the though of being left alone. (Btw, the line didn't technically change, it's one-to-one with the OG Japanse version dialogue, which OG English version changed for some reason.) Oh one thig unrelated, there are quite a number of fanarts in Japan fandom which depicts Ken and Shinjiro become BFF, unlike what we have here.
As someone who values variety in a main cast especially from a Turn based rpg having a young kid in the group was a welcome suprise for me and he's pretty damn useful in combat too. And to say his story is heavy would be putting it lightly, I was so shocked when the 4th came I geninuely did'nt know how that whole situation would go. I never even got spoiled about the event and they do a great job making you think Aragaki'll stick around for the rest of the game. As far as Ken goes I understood it was part of his arc in the game, people getting mad at him don't understand how complicated of a situation it was. In the end though he realized his mistake and made sure not to waste what Aragaki gave him.
I’ll admit I didn’t get much out of Ken on my first playthrough, because it felt kind of wrong to throw a literal child into what SEES was doing. Now that I’m replaying Reload in preparation for The Answer, I decided to mix up my party and decided to include Ken. Honestly, the little dude’s kind of great. Plus, he charges into battle in a little trench coat. That’s hilarious.
I don’t understand why people hate children for just acting the way they would in a given situation. This is very similar to a certain character in FFXIII who had a very similar arc involving a character he wanted to kill because he’s “responsible for the death of his mother”. And in both that game’s case and this one it was an accident. And then both acting as scared wimpy little crybabies is very realistic. Don’t actually tell me if you were a child and watched your mother die you’d be taking it well. Completely unfair to hate on Ken for not taking it well. I genuinely think his character was the best written in the entire game and I will never understand the hate, other than people just hating that he’s a kid.
Quite frankly, I'm 22 and I wouldn't be surprised if I fell into that mindset even though I know it exists and that I should avoid that mental trap if I were to undergo the same situation. I'm sure that a lot of full-grown adults would do something similar. I mean, Walter White from Breaking Bad is basically a meme for doing the exact same thing as Ken, only worse, and I don't even watch that show and I still heard whispers about how deranged he gets as the episodes go on.
What have we learned from Persona 5? Never call anyone useless dude… I have seen these people hating Ken to the bone and then they will go worship Akechi like he is a saint.
Can I just say that them constantly using the "no confirmed fatalities" argument in regard to the subway crash scene at the beginning of the game as a "got you" for people trying to tell others about how Akechi probably killed some innocent people is unbelievably stupid? It is the exact kind of cherry-picking argument that'll cause anyone on the fence about the subject in question to declare the side who used it as insane (and a lot of them are unfortunately, which makes people hate Akechi as a character by association). People were still in the hospital by the time of the final Palace because of what he did to the bus driver there (who himself could have been innocent of the conspiracy, which is another argument they have where they claim that he only gave mental shutdowns to evil people, which is proven false anyway thanks to Wakaba's murder). I wonder how many people were turned away from ever liking Akechi as a character because of these people basically going through Jungian style possessions where they verbally attack anyone who doesn't worship the ground he stands on. He's a sympathetic villain who's caused a crap ton of destruction. That's it. The reason why he did what he did is sad and understandable, but his actions make it very hard to redeem him without it resulting in his death (and we all know how that went down). Writing off Akechi as just a villain and nothing more is dumb when he's supposed to be Joker's shadow in a sense (similar to Adachi being Yu and Yosuke's Shadow Archetype in Persona 4), but downplaying all of his constant murders and screaming at people who don't like him just makes you look like you're glorifying terrorism (since Akechi's crimes could be considered as such). Both sides are black, so we need to meet in the middle in order to get to the light of Akechi's character. Unfortunately, that's never going to happen because history repeated itself like it did with Ken.
This is the kind of hate i never understood... He's an 11 year old kid (He was 11 in the events of PQ & PQ2, which take place right before the events of October 4th) whose mom died when he was 9... Not only that, the reason for his mom's death was covered up & there was nothing he could do about it. As far as we know, he doesn't have a father. Either because he died or just left, essentially leaving Ken as an orphan at the age of 9 once his mom dies... No shit the guy has tons of issues!
Ken definitely go shafted. 1. Because mental health wasn't as widely talked about, being essentially a more taboo subject. 2. Ken's lack of presence before and after 10/4 made him an afterthought. 3. His age made him less appealing in the grand scheme of things. Thank God things turned around a bit but he still needed more story presence imo. Hopefully a future adaptation does that.
I actually brought Ken and Akihiko to fight Takaya when I fought them. I thought it fitting that they should get the chance to Avenge Shinji I love my Little Bro Ken
I voted for Ken on the Justice poll, even after considering Nanako. I played P3R and then played P5R and P4G, P4G being my favorite persona game. I didn’t realize the Ken hate until I saw the results of that poll. I think his character is cool and his persona’s background foreshadows his attempt at revenge on October 4th. I think it’s funny how he has excuses when he is passionate to about something to hide his interests, like when he talks about Featherman. Ever since I saw your character analysis videos, I’ve been hoping for a Ken character analysis.
@@joaolima7131i feel like everyone who hates ken cuz he’s involved in Shinji’s death are fake Shinji fans. He was gonna die soon anyway and if thats the case then I’m glad he goes out the way he did, despite having to take a full force Megidolaon to the soul
@@thunderstar7682 Not to mention that they basically forget that it was Tayaka who shot and killed Shinjiro, not Ken. At risk of going the "Doyalist" route, here's basically their thought process in action: "Peter brought Percy to an alleyway to vent his frustrations and Percy is trying to console him before he does something stupid. Wait! Justin came in to kill them both! Percy got shot and killed protecting Peter! IT'S PETER'S FAULT!" That's basically what they're saying. Don't blame the person who actually used the murder weapon, blame a different party who was just in a bad headspace! What next? Are they going to blame people who took their loved ones to a mall or amusement park that gets blown up while they're there instead of the guy who planted and detonated the bombs? I guess all a murderer/rapist/thief/whatever needs to do to get off is wait for two people to go somewhere at the same time, find out which one brought the other one with them, murder the one who was taken to the location, and have the one who took them to that location take the fall.
the writters genuinely wanted ultimax to be ken story but remebered it was a persona 4 spinoff not a persona 3 spinoff. and im all here for the little screentime we DID GET
something i think is really important to me about ken is his love. his actions stemming from his love for his mother, and his love for his friends. he wants to help and be useful and protect others. his nervousness about being seen as a bother, his desire to help mitsuru after the death of her father. i just think that thats an important part of him people should think about. anyway, on topic about 10/4, i think another part of discussion about ken that makes me angry is the blatant and obvious favoritism towards akihiko and shinjiro. those two are beloved, and ken caused them pain, so ken is the worst. when shinjiro is the one who killed his mother????? i dont hate the senior trio of course, but i genuinely get mad when i think about shinjiro's "i just want to forget it happened" or akihiko or mitsuru not even bothering to talk to ken. i'll always say that at the end of the day the senior trio were fifteen and the real problem is ikutsuki, the adult, who didnt bother to mention ken and shinjiros issues until it was over. and the cop in the answer, who dismissed what ken saw. but i will never be mad at ken for his anger. he DESERVED to be angry.
Nice video, I never got the hate for Ken either, before even playing the hame for the first time with reloaded I knew that people hated Ken, I figured it was because his relationship with femc, or because he's useless in battle compared to the rest of the seed members, but after finally playing the full game this year, and also seeing videos over the years about the story of persona 3 I felt that it was overblown, yeah ken comes off as a know it all kid, and acts like he's older than what he really, but if anyone notice its a coping mechanism, ken loosed everything and was force to grow up fast, he didn't get the time to really grieve since he was set on revenge for his mom, plus since he's a kid and didn't wont people to look down on him and belittle or petty him for his age or lost. I never used ken that much in battle since I had my favorite already but ken is great character that hammers the theme of the game about facing death and lost and over coming it to face the future with a better view.
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO. Ken is my favorite character is all of persona. So it sucks to see he is so hated because he… was the reason Shinjiro died. Which, I don’t believe in anyways. Even is Tayaka didn’t show up I do think there’s a strong case Ken would’ve backed down. And….Shinjiro was already sentenced to die from the start… But honestly, a lot of the hate outside of October 4th comes from the fact he’s a kid. Which, I get, kids can be annoying and people don’t like them but I think it’s completely wrong to hate someone just because they’re a kid, especially such a truamatized and suicidal one. Like yeah! No shit he’s annoying! He’s a 10 year old still growing and unsure of himself! And he saw his mom die in front of him which threw it all off! It just sucks to see people ignore him and write him off because of his age compared to the rest of the cast. I’m so glad Reload gave him more love. Like you said the link episodes help but I also believe the reworks to the October 4th scene both helped strengthen his and Shinji’s arcs. Also, the game just making him stronger in general haha I really hope Ken appears in a game in the future. Ken himself is such a unique character, being one of, if not the most, youngest persona user is a very interesting concept. Especially one that saved the world before. And this definitely affected him as he grows into an adult. Many people have pointed out that he’s the same age as the Phantom Thieves, which is another interesting dynamic to explore. I think Atlus might be aware of it too since he got a sidequest with the PTS in Persona Q2? Idk man, one of my biggest wishes is a game or something where Ken can meet the Phantom Thieves and finally have people his own age who could understand that stuff. Sorry for rambling, like I said Ken’s my fav character. I look forward to your full analysis on Ken
Really, I don't get what it is about people being so prone to ageism. Ken isn't even that annoying to begin with. Him being a kid shouldn't really mean much in the grand scheme of things. Instead, people basically view kids (and teenagers if you want to differentiate them) and the elderly (to a lesser but still prominent extent) as 3rd class citizens because "they're stupid due to not knowing anything about the word (kids) or being able to have Dementia or Alzheimer's (elderly)". Basically, he's an easy scapegoat because he's too young to be considered a legitimate person. Most people may not be aware of that fact about themselves, but I bet their Shadows (if they were real) would be screaming about their views on people outside the range of 21-65 years of age if you were to ask them. It's not the main reason behind the hatred, but it's a storm cloud that hovers over all the other reasons. It's why they automatically consider him annoying for trying to be mature and why they scapegoat him as Shinjiro's murderer instead of Tayaka (who actually shot the gun that killed Shinji in the first place). Also, there's a Persona 5 fanfic on AO3 called Ace in the Hole that has Ken become a Phantom Thief himself. It's a fun read and it's almost complete (just missing 2 chapters last I read it). It also has other surprises that I'm sure you'll like.
I am currently playing Persona 3 (but decided to watch the video after October 4th since i heard that this day was a big thing for Ken) and i have to say that i never really understood why he got that much hate. Maybe it's because i like this kind of characters (at least in some way) but to me Ken was kind of relatable and cute. October 4th still destroyed me but it still didn't make me hate Ken at all. Infact he is still my favourite character in the game as he has been since he joined the group
Man, I'm still September in the game and Aragaki was starting to grow on me. I saw the title of the vid and thought, "Why do people hate Ken? He's just a little kid," and I didn't think I would get spoiled like this 😢
Persona 3 probably has the best individual characters in the modern trilogy, not the best group that is 4, but still characters such as Aigis Junpei and most important for this case Akihiko and Shinjiro are masterfully written characters. So if a character is not written as well as all other characters even if it is a good character then it stands out in a negative way
Yes he is but to be fair his dynamic with Makoto in P3F originally was near non-existent and as for FeMC, that is a can of worms I will not open. I think where Ken shined though was in the spin-off's, he has some of the best character interactions and development in Q, Q2 and Arena Ulitmax the former offering him great interactions in particular with Akechi and the Phantom Thieves while the latter had a more introspective look at his character. Reload though, fixed pretty much every issue I had with Ken by highlighting that he really is just a poor kid who had everything taken from him and is just trying to find a reason to move forward.
I don't think an optional romance should be that big of a can of worms. Just don't pursue it and all the potential problems involved with it will disappear into the ether. Sure, it's a bit creepy due to the age difference, but it's still something optional that doesn't impact the story that much even if you go for it for whatever reason.
I love 4 turn Divine Intervention and 5 sp Kougaon. Also FES he never learns single target healing which makes him the best healer. But there is a fair reason to hate him. He is a menace in Persona 4 Arena Ultimax.
I love all the P3 characters including Ken and I don't really understand why people hate him: They say he's inmature and made stupid things, but Junpei made stupid things as well.
And honestly Ken is far more mature than Junpei in my personal opinion. His development sticks and he never realpses the way Junpei does more than once.
When learning about Persona 3 from watching and playing Reload I never hated Ken or never understood why he’s hated so much until getting to October 4th. If anything I kind of relate to him in a way. Deep down he’s a good kid and shouldn’t get the hate for something that wasn’t his fault. People in this fandom just hate for fun to be toxic.
Yeah I know right it's like they recognize that charachters need to grow and develop, but then forget that requires them to have charachter flaws so they CAN develop. Or only understand that for the charachters they like, it's the same damn thing with Morgana or Hope from Final Fantasy 13. The hate for these charachters get overblown and people who hate them only want to see them at their lowest points not any of their good traits that make them well rounded charachters.
Now all we need is Shinji and SEES will be complete 🎉 Then I guess you’ll move on to the Investigation Team or the Phantom Thieves 😁(please be the Investigation team first 🤞) Great job with the character analysis videos keep at it 🫡
I didn't really care much for ken in the other versions of the game but after Reload he legitimately jumped up to one of my favorite characters in the series
Its a shame Ken doesnt get more attention ty for the video. One of my favorite things an adaptation did that adds to the tragedy i dont think? Is ever mentioned to Ken? Is that in the manga as questionable as some choices are was that Kens mother was the shadow. If his mother wasnt killer she would have killed Ken
The youngest member of the group is Ken himself. OK, i am just going to say it. I don't hate him as a character at all in the game series, really. He has been through a lot. I was more upset about him, almost taking his life for his mother's murderer. No! She wouldn't want that from her own son. And yet, during the series, he learns a lot to mature so much in the very end.
I personaly doesn't hate him but in the og persona fes his ai is just worst i mean just imagine you fight a shadow that's already scanned by fukka and it block light and guess what did he do use hama on said shadow and his story kinda normal i guess because he doesn't have older people to give him the advice that he need and the irony of it all is that in the end the one person to give him the advice that he need is the one he intend to kill
Well Ken has same voice actor as Shinji from Evangelion so make sense why people hate him. joke around I Like ken i think one of the reason why he is hated in the fandom is cuz of Femc or because of his character arc in Oct 4th
I can understand Ken as a character, losing his mom and wanting revenge, but that seems like they pushed it. Ken should know deep down that killing Shinjiro would not make him feel any better, if anything, the feeling is worse. So he should be thankful, Shinji gave up his life for Ken.
I mean, he did want to end himself after Shinjiro, in a way he just wanted closure for his mother death,and not being believed in what happened and living alone could've contribute for his feelings, grief can mess with people, at the end of the day, he is still a kid,not very emotionally mature, his persona is also the Greek goddess of revenge
@@Ron_Keffer good grief dude, why so stubborn? Does it really matter that much? In the game she was ALWAYS despicted as such, even her appearances in older games like P2 refer to her as such, and Karma and Revenge can be associated with each other, someone receiving karma for some people, is considered a form of revenge, even when searching "Greek god of revenge" her name is the first to appear and it's also the definition on Oxford dictionary
My opinion is he is by far the worst member of sees and a horrifically floord character. The thing with floord character is you still have to give them something to make them redeemable but ken hasn't got that because the thing ment to be his redeeming thing is also shinjis death and you cant have the death of a much more likeable character ( that they where partly reposibel for ) be the thing that redeems them without everyone missing the much more likeable character and imagining how things could have been if they weren't dead. Also the hole femc thing where alot of people see femc as in the wrong ken is basically froceing himself on her as evan when she is just trying to be nice he gets way to in to it for me to not see it in that way. Also the fact he is incredible obnoxious, your character can be floord and still be got but there is a limit and ken gos past the limit. So in conclusion he is a just sbad character and person and frankly doesn't get hated enough
Can you repeat that with about 90% less slang? I'm not from wherever you got your dialect from, so I don't know what "floord" means. Also, Ken is an adolescent while FEMC is a later stage teenager. You can easily just not go down the romance option during Ken's social link. As for Shinji: Takaya fired the gun that ended Shinjiro's life. Not Ken. I don't get why people can't blame the actual murderer for butting into a conversation that could have probably ended with Ken being talked down from both his revenge and suicide plot and blame Ken for wanting to confront Shinjiro (who might I add, just like with FEMC, could have easily just went along with the rest of S.E.E.S. to fight the strength and fortune shadows and Ken wouldn't have been able to stop him from doing so even with his Persona). Ken wasn't the one who fired the gun. It's like if you have a significant other and you took them out to a mall on a date, a terrorist blows the mall up, kills the SO and I came up and blamed YOU for their death instead of the person who planted and detonated the bomb in the first place. All of this not even mentioning that Shinjiro was taking those Persona repressing drugs and was going to die to their side effects soon enough anyway even if he didn't confront Ken or Takaya didn't ambush them.
@@lmrpirate5273 I'm not saying I blame Ken for shinjiros death, that was enviable I'm saying that you can't have the death of someone more likeable be the thing to help redeem another character and not have people wishing that the one who died had lived instead of this less likeable character. Also frooded means has problems, and I didn't know that wasn't a commonly used word sorry. Also the ken love line being optional still doesn't make up for the fact that the entire latter have from rank 6+ has him very openly flirting with femc and that just makes me uncomfortable.
this is an amazing video, i agree with everything you're saying!! i love ken so much 😭 do you think you'd ever be willing to make an analysis on any of the members of strega? more specifically, jin. no pressure of course! (；´∀｀)
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The crazy thing about how much the fandom hates him is how much they love Aketchi when they are so similar. I have seen so many people ask "what would Aketchi have been like if he had met the phantom thieves before becoming a murderer?" and the answer is KEN!!!! The only difference in their stories is that the man who ken wanted to get revenge against showed him empathy and kindness. In persona q2 Shinji even gives Aketchi the same advice he would give to Ken on October 4th which is to do what you feel is right but understand that your choices will have consequences. Shinji is my favorite character and it upsets me so much when I see Ken hate because it undermines what Shinji was fighting for.
A fair amount of people hate Akechi, though, since they don't think his backstory justifies his actions.
@@artificialaceattorney6822 He's talking about people who are fans of Akechi though. Or more specifically, those who love Akechi for his backstory and hate Ken for October 4th at the same time, since those people are being hypocritical.
Joke's on you: I like Akechi AND Ken. Both are good characters and good examples of using the same backstory base, but how different circumstances and luck give different outcomes. Those that hate on Ken, imo, hate kids.
Also, I rarely see someone who likes Akechi but hates Ken. It's more often I see people who hate both.
I absolutely agree with you. I personally love Ken, but really dislike Akechi, the reason being, Akechi was utterly consumed by hostility and negativity, whereas Ken was saved from it. It is true that both have some sort of similarities regarding their backstory, but the way they developed are entirely different. Ken stands as a symbol of hope and redemption; Akechi became a serial killer. If anything, this comparison has made me love Ken even more, knowing how bad things could've turned had his character arc not dodged that bullet. We need to protect Ken with all our might.
I think Akechi fans can't really let go of their picture perfect cinnamon roll idea of him. They'll always see him as the fake, soft, cutesy smiley boy image that he manufactured as his public facade.
It doesn't help that Akechi is also fairly good looking, and that DOES help alot when getting people to forgive a character who did bad things.
Personally, I never really understood how much people liked Akechi. I saw right through his act instantly, and the game practically does everything it can to wink wink nudge nudge to you that there's a hidden side to him that the audience isn't privy to the moment he's introduced, even before his true nature was revealed.
I only really started to like him when he fully embraced being a villain.
I never understood the distaste for Ken, I enjoyed his arc a lot
What always intrigued me about him was the fact you need to accept death to unlock your persona in this game.
Which for a 10 year old really sold me on it.
Ken gets hate whether he tries to act like an adult or a child
Honestly, when you posted this poll, I voted for Nanako, because she was my favorite Justice character. But when I saw that Ken was lower than Chihiro I was confused. I recently got into Persona and I like Ken's character, so I was surprised that he was hated because he was the kid. And I wanted to know why they really hate him that much. So thanks for a good video!
Yeah, I feel like people kinda forget that he's a child that lost his mom a year prior to the events of P3 and that he basically tries to act like an adult to a near impulsive degree.
Ken's cool, I liked his development and resolve after Shinji's death. People just hate him for desiring revenge even though it's a logical emotion, especially for a child.
Imo, the hate stems form him being a child. All the reasons given by others are it's window dressing. It boils down to he's a kid acting... like a kid. Realistically. Yosuke suffers similar hate: he acts EXACTLY like a 16 year old boy in 2011 and people hate him for it. Mishima as well, acts realistically and people hate on him.
Honestly, the pattern is "if the character acts realistically for age and circumstances, they will be hated" because it reflects negative aspects of society and a certain section of players hate that because they are reminded of their own flaws. Also notice it's mostly MALE characters.... I said what I said.
People hate mishima because of things out the game
@@ihavetwofourwheelerswait what??? why do people hate him about
Having played 5R before 3R, I see Ken as a far more mentally stable version of Goro Akechi. Both were orphaned at a young age and both awakened to the power of a Persona with revenge being their primary goals. But Ken managed to make actual friends even while lying about his reasons for joining S.E.E.S. while Akechi remained alone with the exception of the superficial attention he got as the Detective Prince. Ken had a role model to call him out about his desire for vengeance and who cared for him unconditionally (Shinji) and witnessed firsthand just how horrible he could have turned out if he gave in to his desires. (Takaya) So Shinjiro's death and Ken deciding to posthumously see him as a role model of sorts was a great way to redeem Ken's character, with the addition of his desire to grow stronger and find a new meaning for his life at only 10/11 years old.
Well Akechi isn't an orphan though I'm sure we can all agree that he might as well have been given who his father is and another point in Ken's favor is that Ken made sure to keep innocent people from being caught in the crossfire whereas Akechi couldn't care less if innocents got hurt or even killed
Both are of the Justice arcana too to add to you saying that.
@@infernape2010 Akechi was an orphan and he grew up with the people around him treating him like absolute trash because Japanese standards are sometimes also trash.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction Actually he isn't an orphan as his father is still alive...
Actually I’m pretty sure they’re the same age too…. Justice Yaoi?
Gamers when a child acts immature:
Totally illegal
I agree so much with you dude
*Gamers when a child acts like them:
What ticked me off in reload was that he tried acting mature by saying he didn’t like featherman and that whole coffee shit. I understand the whole October 4th incident and don’t hate him for it though
God forbid.💀
Both Ken and Yukari are two of the most hated characters in Persona 3 for some weird reason and every time I ask someone who bashes them they always cook up the dumbest reasons on earth as to why. Thank you for creating this video so you can make these people reach out to the truth.
Agree
P4 reference??
Lol and well said
Yukari's hate is almost exclusive to the West. She's actually quite loved in Japan. The issue is that the west are trying WAY too hard to be "adults". Ironically that's the very thing Ken and the Magician characters do. They hate them because they relate to them. The west hate mirror's, it is what it is. As I've said far too many times. The most annoying thing about those trying to prove themselves "mature" adults, is that they often show less self awareness than actual children.
@@Ninja07Keaton That's pretty interesting. One thing I'm a bit disconnected with as well is people and their voice acting issues because my preferred way to experience P3 is P3 FES Undub which replaces some music with the Reincarnation ost and it has the japanese voices. I know Michelle Ruff makes Yukari sound so angry a lot of the time while japanese Yukari just sounds like a barking pink poodle to me. Things like that can really change how people view a character.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction Yukari doesn't "sound" angry, she IS angry. She lost her father at the age of 6 because of the inciting incident of the game. Father was blamed for this incident, and Yukari was hated and shunned by society BECAUSE SHE WAS HIS DAUGHTER. Yukari is far more graceful than most would be in this situation. If anything, she should have shown much more anger than she did. The worst part of having trauma is being expected by society to behave as though you don't have trauma. The hypocrisy of the western audience is almost suffocating, but these are the times we live in.
I think as a character, Ken, much like Nanako, and Akechi, have similar origins.
All lost their mother, though the circumstances of their passing varies, with Ken & Akechi's being a result of unfortunate situations that led to them being orphaned at a young age.
Nanako got off lucky since she still had her father around, and didn't witness her mother's death herself.
All three are the justice arcana, and unlike Nanako, both Ken and Akechi were seeking justice not just for the death of their mothers, but also the crappy life they were left with, and without proper guidance by others, would have both gone down dark paths that would have shaped their lives; though Akechi has kind of gone farther down than Ken has.
All three are associated with Light, are mature for their age, but have that air of innocence and yearning deep down, and wrestle with complicated feelings that require others in order to help them find clarity.
I think in that regard, Ken works as well as Nanako or Akechi does.
Very well said! Thank you for leaving this comment!
@@YandereGogeta not a problem! Ken's a very underrated character in p3. It's great seeing other folks setting the record straight!
@@YandereGogetais there gonna be an analysis video for Kens stuff on reloaded loke the link episodes?
I have to say it's rather disturbing how so many people love Akechi yet hate Ken as they both have similar backstories yet unlike Akechi who was completely deranged, Ken is more grounded and has better sense overall...
Nearly all of the hate Ken gets is completely unwarranted and i think his persona being Nemesis and later Kala-Nemi couldn't be more fitting for him
Yeah I found that very strange.
I love Ken as a character and a concept. A suicidal kid who cares about nothing more than revenge on the one who killed his mom. I love how he tries to act mature for his age and I just love his entire character. Definitely my favorite p3 character with akihiko and mitsuru following him
Ken is literally my favorite character in this game, barring the protagonist, and I love his whole story arc. the hate is so unreal :(
He’s litterally my fav too. AAAAAH I love him. Fav of the modern trilogy
Haven’t watched the video yet, but honestly 10/4 was Mitsuru, Akihiko’s, and Shuji’s faults for allowing him on the team and not keeping the date in mind
Then again, people who hates Ken probably wouldn't click this video in the first place.
And since you put movie adaptation into consideration, I also want to point out that in P4 route of PQ, there is a conversation between Ken and Kanji which Ken confesses his revenge plot, but also starts being hesitant about it at some point; he even asks Kanji "what would you do if the culprit you're after turns out to be a good person?"
It shows that, despite the hate, Ken is still sensible enough to realize that Shinjiro is actually a good person, and find his own plan to be at least questionable.
Even if we exclude the spinoff, the line "I needed someone to hate, to keep myself going." proofs that he does understand his wrongdoing as the coping mechanism to push down the though of being left alone.
(Btw, the line didn't technically change, it's one-to-one with the OG Japanse version dialogue, which OG English version changed for some reason.)
Oh one thig unrelated, there are quite a number of fanarts in Japan fandom which depicts Ken and Shinjiro become BFF, unlike what we have here.
As someone who values variety in a main cast especially from a Turn based rpg having a young kid in the group was a welcome suprise for me and he's pretty damn useful in combat too. And to say his story is heavy would be putting it lightly, I was so shocked when the 4th came I geninuely did'nt know how that whole situation would go. I never even got spoiled about the event and they do a great job making you think Aragaki'll stick around for the rest of the game. As far as Ken goes I understood it was part of his arc in the game, people getting mad at him don't understand how complicated of a situation it was. In the end though he realized his mistake and made sure not to waste what Aragaki gave him.
I’ll admit I didn’t get much out of Ken on my first playthrough, because it felt kind of wrong to throw a literal child into what SEES was doing. Now that I’m replaying Reload in preparation for The Answer, I decided to mix up my party and decided to include Ken. Honestly, the little dude’s kind of great. Plus, he charges into battle in a little trench coat. That’s hilarious.
I don’t understand why people hate children for just acting the way they would in a given situation. This is very similar to a certain character in FFXIII who had a very similar arc involving a character he wanted to kill because he’s “responsible for the death of his mother”. And in both that game’s case and this one it was an accident. And then both acting as scared wimpy little crybabies is very realistic.
Don’t actually tell me if you were a child and watched your mother die you’d be taking it well. Completely unfair to hate on Ken for not taking it well.
I genuinely think his character was the best written in the entire game and I will never understand the hate, other than people just hating that he’s a kid.
Quite frankly, I'm 22 and I wouldn't be surprised if I fell into that mindset even though I know it exists and that I should avoid that mental trap if I were to undergo the same situation. I'm sure that a lot of full-grown adults would do something similar. I mean, Walter White from Breaking Bad is basically a meme for doing the exact same thing as Ken, only worse, and I don't even watch that show and I still heard whispers about how deranged he gets as the episodes go on.
What have we learned from Persona 5? Never call anyone useless dude… I have seen these people hating Ken to the bone and then they will go worship Akechi like he is a saint.
Can I just say that them constantly using the "no confirmed fatalities" argument in regard to the subway crash scene at the beginning of the game as a "got you" for people trying to tell others about how Akechi probably killed some innocent people is unbelievably stupid? It is the exact kind of cherry-picking argument that'll cause anyone on the fence about the subject in question to declare the side who used it as insane (and a lot of them are unfortunately, which makes people hate Akechi as a character by association). People were still in the hospital by the time of the final Palace because of what he did to the bus driver there (who himself could have been innocent of the conspiracy, which is another argument they have where they claim that he only gave mental shutdowns to evil people, which is proven false anyway thanks to Wakaba's murder).
I wonder how many people were turned away from ever liking Akechi as a character because of these people basically going through Jungian style possessions where they verbally attack anyone who doesn't worship the ground he stands on. He's a sympathetic villain who's caused a crap ton of destruction. That's it. The reason why he did what he did is sad and understandable, but his actions make it very hard to redeem him without it resulting in his death (and we all know how that went down). Writing off Akechi as just a villain and nothing more is dumb when he's supposed to be Joker's shadow in a sense (similar to Adachi being Yu and Yosuke's Shadow Archetype in Persona 4), but downplaying all of his constant murders and screaming at people who don't like him just makes you look like you're glorifying terrorism (since Akechi's crimes could be considered as such). Both sides are black, so we need to meet in the middle in order to get to the light of Akechi's character. Unfortunately, that's never going to happen because history repeated itself like it did with Ken.
This is the kind of hate i never understood... He's an 11 year old kid (He was 11 in the events of PQ & PQ2, which take place right before the events of October 4th) whose mom died when he was 9... Not only that, the reason for his mom's death was covered up & there was nothing he could do about it.
As far as we know, he doesn't have a father. Either because he died or just left, essentially leaving Ken as an orphan at the age of 9 once his mom dies... No shit the guy has tons of issues!
I hate Ken after he abandoned me in a hard boss fight after getting scared.
Ken definitely go shafted. 1. Because mental health wasn't as widely talked about, being essentially a more taboo subject. 2. Ken's lack of presence before and after 10/4 made him an afterthought.
3. His age made him less appealing in the grand scheme of things.
Thank God things turned around a bit but he still needed more story presence imo. Hopefully a future adaptation does that.
I actually brought Ken and Akihiko to fight Takaya when I fought them.
I thought it fitting that they should get the chance to Avenge Shinji
I love my Little Bro Ken
I voted for Ken on the Justice poll, even after considering Nanako. I played P3R and then played P5R and P4G, P4G being my favorite persona game. I didn’t realize the Ken hate until I saw the results of that poll. I think his character is cool and his persona’s background foreshadows his attempt at revenge on October 4th. I think it’s funny how he has excuses when he is passionate to about something to hide his interests, like when he talks about Featherman. Ever since I saw your character analysis videos, I’ve been hoping for a Ken character analysis.
SPOILERS FOR 11/22: If Junpei actually ☠️ I’m pretty sure Chidori would get just as much hate as Ken
She would probably see a lot more hate for sure if she somehow wasn't able to revive Junpei, yeah
It's not even his fault for you know what.
It's not like he could have predicted that Takaya would make an appearance.
AHHHH A VIDEO ABOUT WHY MY 2ND FAV PERSONA CHARACTER ISNT AS BAD AS PEOPLE SAY???? YES PLEASE!!!!!!
Who the hell hates Ken, he's a cool kid.
A lot of people actually, most of them use him as a scapegoat for Shinjiro death
@@joaolima7131i feel like everyone who hates ken cuz he’s involved in Shinji’s death are fake Shinji fans. He was gonna die soon anyway and if thats the case then I’m glad he goes out the way he did, despite having to take a full force Megidolaon to the soul
@@thunderstar7682 Legit. They are letting both Shinji and Ken down wit these trash takes.
@@thunderstar7682 Not to mention that they basically forget that it was Tayaka who shot and killed Shinjiro, not Ken. At risk of going the "Doyalist" route, here's basically their thought process in action:
"Peter brought Percy to an alleyway to vent his frustrations and Percy is trying to console him before he does something stupid. Wait! Justin came in to kill them both! Percy got shot and killed protecting Peter! IT'S PETER'S FAULT!"
That's basically what they're saying. Don't blame the person who actually used the murder weapon, blame a different party who was just in a bad headspace! What next? Are they going to blame people who took their loved ones to a mall or amusement park that gets blown up while they're there instead of the guy who planted and detonated the bombs? I guess all a murderer/rapist/thief/whatever needs to do to get off is wait for two people to go somewhere at the same time, find out which one brought the other one with them, murder the one who was taken to the location, and have the one who took them to that location take the fall.
the writters genuinely wanted ultimax to be ken story but remebered it was a persona 4 spinoff not a persona 3 spinoff. and im all here for the little screentime we DID GET
something i think is really important to me about ken is his love. his actions stemming from his love for his mother, and his love for his friends. he wants to help and be useful and protect others. his nervousness about being seen as a bother, his desire to help mitsuru after the death of her father. i just think that thats an important part of him people should think about. anyway, on topic about 10/4, i think another part of discussion about ken that makes me angry is the blatant and obvious favoritism towards akihiko and shinjiro. those two are beloved, and ken caused them pain, so ken is the worst. when shinjiro is the one who killed his mother????? i dont hate the senior trio of course, but i genuinely get mad when i think about shinjiro's "i just want to forget it happened" or akihiko or mitsuru not even bothering to talk to ken. i'll always say that at the end of the day the senior trio were fifteen and the real problem is ikutsuki, the adult, who didnt bother to mention ken and shinjiros issues until it was over. and the cop in the answer, who dismissed what ken saw. but i will never be mad at ken for his anger. he DESERVED to be angry.
Nice video, I never got the hate for Ken either, before even playing the hame for the first time with reloaded I knew that people hated Ken, I figured it was because his relationship with femc, or because he's useless in battle compared to the rest of the seed members, but after finally playing the full game this year, and also seeing videos over the years about the story of persona 3 I felt that it was overblown, yeah ken comes off as a know it all kid, and acts like he's older than what he really, but if anyone notice its a coping mechanism, ken loosed everything and was force to grow up fast, he didn't get the time to really grieve since he was set on revenge for his mom, plus since he's a kid and didn't wont people to look down on him and belittle or petty him for his age or lost. I never used ken that much in battle since I had my favorite already but ken is great character that hammers the theme of the game about facing death and lost and over coming it to face the future with a better view.
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO.
Ken is my favorite character is all of persona. So it sucks to see he is so hated because he… was the reason Shinjiro died. Which, I don’t believe in anyways. Even is Tayaka didn’t show up I do think there’s a strong case Ken would’ve backed down. And….Shinjiro was already sentenced to die from the start…
But honestly, a lot of the hate outside of October 4th comes from the fact he’s a kid. Which, I get, kids can be annoying and people don’t like them but I think it’s completely wrong to hate someone just because they’re a kid, especially such a truamatized and suicidal one. Like yeah! No shit he’s annoying! He’s a 10 year old still growing and unsure of himself! And he saw his mom die in front of him which threw it all off! It just sucks to see people ignore him and write him off because of his age compared to the rest of the cast. I’m so glad Reload gave him more love. Like you said the link episodes help but I also believe the reworks to the October 4th scene both helped strengthen his and Shinji’s arcs. Also, the game just making him stronger in general haha
I really hope Ken appears in a game in the future. Ken himself is such a unique character, being one of, if not the most, youngest persona user is a very interesting concept. Especially one that saved the world before. And this definitely affected him as he grows into an adult. Many people have pointed out that he’s the same age as the Phantom Thieves, which is another interesting dynamic to explore. I think Atlus might be aware of it too since he got a sidequest with the PTS in Persona Q2? Idk man, one of my biggest wishes is a game or something where Ken can meet the Phantom Thieves and finally have people his own age who could understand that stuff.
Sorry for rambling, like I said Ken’s my fav character. I look forward to your full analysis on Ken
Really, I don't get what it is about people being so prone to ageism. Ken isn't even that annoying to begin with. Him being a kid shouldn't really mean much in the grand scheme of things. Instead, people basically view kids (and teenagers if you want to differentiate them) and the elderly (to a lesser but still prominent extent) as 3rd class citizens because "they're stupid due to not knowing anything about the word (kids) or being able to have Dementia or Alzheimer's (elderly)". Basically, he's an easy scapegoat because he's too young to be considered a legitimate person. Most people may not be aware of that fact about themselves, but I bet their Shadows (if they were real) would be screaming about their views on people outside the range of 21-65 years of age if you were to ask them. It's not the main reason behind the hatred, but it's a storm cloud that hovers over all the other reasons. It's why they automatically consider him annoying for trying to be mature and why they scapegoat him as Shinjiro's murderer instead of Tayaka (who actually shot the gun that killed Shinji in the first place).
Also, there's a Persona 5 fanfic on AO3 called Ace in the Hole that has Ken become a Phantom Thief himself. It's a fun read and it's almost complete (just missing 2 chapters last I read it). It also has other surprises that I'm sure you'll like.
I am currently playing Persona 3 (but decided to watch the video after October 4th since i heard that this day was a big thing for Ken) and i have to say that i never really understood why he got that much hate. Maybe it's because i like this kind of characters (at least in some way) but to me Ken was kind of relatable and cute.
October 4th still destroyed me but it still didn't make me hate Ken at all. Infact he is still my favourite character in the game as he has been since he joined the group
Man, I'm still September in the game and Aragaki was starting to grow on me. I saw the title of the vid and thought, "Why do people hate Ken? He's just a little kid," and I didn't think I would get spoiled like this 😢
Persona 3 probably has the best individual characters in the modern trilogy, not the best group that is 4, but still characters such as Aigis Junpei and most important for this case Akihiko and Shinjiro are masterfully written characters. So if a character is not written as well as all other characters even if it is a good character then it stands out in a negative way
Yes he is but to be fair his dynamic with Makoto in P3F originally was near non-existent and as for FeMC, that is a can of worms I will not open. I think where Ken shined though was in the spin-off's, he has some of the best character interactions and development in Q, Q2 and Arena Ulitmax the former offering him great interactions in particular with Akechi and the Phantom Thieves while the latter had a more introspective look at his character. Reload though, fixed pretty much every issue I had with Ken by highlighting that he really is just a poor kid who had everything taken from him and is just trying to find a reason to move forward.
I don't think an optional romance should be that big of a can of worms. Just don't pursue it and all the potential problems involved with it will disappear into the ether. Sure, it's a bit creepy due to the age difference, but it's still something optional that doesn't impact the story that much even if you go for it for whatever reason.
I love 4 turn Divine Intervention and 5 sp Kougaon. Also FES he never learns single target healing which makes him the best healer.
But there is a fair reason to hate him. He is a menace in Persona 4 Arena Ultimax.
If I talked about how I felt about him in Ultimax from a gameplay perspective this video would've been titled "Ken Amada is not hated ENOUGH" lmfao
Will u make a video about theories or wishes for P6? 👀
I definitely want to!
The people who hate ken just dont like children in general like seriously i never understood hate for child characters who are atleast well written.
9:48 really wanted testimony to be in p3r its tge credits makoto saw before everyone else
akechi over nanako is borderline sacriledge
I love all the P3 characters including Ken and I don't really understand why people hate him: They say he's inmature and made stupid things, but Junpei made stupid things as well.
And honestly Ken is far more mature than Junpei in my personal opinion. His development sticks and he never realpses the way Junpei does more than once.
I’m glad someone finally shares the same view I have
When learning about Persona 3 from watching and playing Reload I never hated Ken or never understood why he’s hated so much until getting to October 4th. If anything I kind of relate to him in a way. Deep down he’s a good kid and shouldn’t get the hate for something that wasn’t his fault. People in this fandom just hate for fun to be toxic.
Actually he is a pretty good person considering his past. People are just getting toxic not understanding what others go through.
Yeah I know right it's like they recognize that charachters need to grow and develop, but then forget that requires them to have charachter flaws so they CAN develop. Or only understand that for the charachters they like, it's the same damn thing with Morgana or Hope from Final Fantasy 13. The hate for these charachters get overblown and people who hate them only want to see them at their lowest points not any of their good traits that make them well rounded charachters.
Now all we need is Shinji and SEES will be complete 🎉
Then I guess you’ll move on to the Investigation Team or the Phantom Thieves 😁(please be the Investigation team first 🤞)
Great job with the character analysis videos keep at it 🫡
i didnt even know people like actually hated him, i always just assumed it was for the haha. cant believe people can hate such a peak character smh
I didn't really care much for ken in the other versions of the game but after Reload he legitimately jumped up to one of my favorite characters in the series
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I never hated him and I'm surprised that I only just now found out that other people do
Its a shame Ken doesnt get more attention ty for the video. One of my favorite things an adaptation did that adds to the tragedy i dont think? Is ever mentioned to Ken? Is that in the manga as questionable as some choices are was that Kens mother was the shadow. If his mother wasnt killer she would have killed Ken
The youngest member of the group is Ken himself. OK, i am just going to say it. I don't hate him as a character at all in the game series, really. He has been through a lot. I was more upset about him, almost taking his life for his mother's murderer. No! She wouldn't want that from her own son. And yet, during the series, he learns a lot to mature so much in the very end.
Seems like this kid has been pretty hard done by. Lets give him some love we need more of that in this world ❤ 😅
Honestly I prefer Ken to Aigis Junpei and Yukari
finally someone defending my GOAT. hes genuinely one of my fav characters, ken is awesome
I can't even imaging hating Ken. I'm on my first playthrough, and Ken is one of my favorite characters from the game.
While personally I don't like Ken as much as the other members. People saying that 10/4 is the reason why they hate Ken is incredibly stupid 🤦
I mean, Takaya was right there with the damn gun. Maybe he deserves more of the blame? Possibly?
Tbh as someone whose not really a part of the fandom, I don't even understand why people hate him. I mean his age is complete nonsense but i digress.
tbh i love ken hes the best side character and i love his persona
I just wanna make some coffee with him lol
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Ken's a bit similar to my younger brother he even now made his main in p4 arena ultimax only difference is that Ken acts more mature then him
I never knew people hated ken, even years ago i thought people really liked him.
he's my favoret charecter in the game
Yha as a 10 year old he is not nearly mature enough to handle the situation in a good way
people hate ken amada because if he didnt call him on OCT 4TH shinji would've make it to the fall
Hate deserved me thinks. Why his young ass have a big part in P3. Kotone don't deserve this hell. It's all Atlus fault for not making him a teenager.
ken is the best
Cant wait for Shinjiro
He's goated
I personaly doesn't hate him but in the og persona fes his ai is just worst i mean just imagine you fight a shadow that's already scanned by fukka and it block light and guess what did he do use hama on said shadow and his story kinda normal i guess because he doesn't have older people to give him the advice that he need and the irony of it all is that in the end the one person to give him the advice that he need is the one he intend to kill
I agree! ☝️
Well Ken has same voice actor as Shinji from Evangelion so make sense why people hate him. joke around I Like ken i think one of the reason why he is hated in the fandom is cuz of Femc or because of his character arc in Oct 4th
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He just needs therapy. Ken is a fine character, I dont get the hate for him.
Akechi is an Evil Ken.
Nahhh, Ken is actually my favorite character lol
Facts, way too over hated
Counter argument: i don't like him
I can understand Ken as a character, losing his mom and wanting revenge, but that seems like they pushed it. Ken should know deep down that killing Shinjiro would not make him feel any better, if anything, the feeling is worse. So he should be thankful, Shinji gave up his life for Ken.
I mean, he did want to end himself after Shinjiro, in a way he just wanted closure for his mother death,and not being believed in what happened and living alone could've contribute for his feelings, grief can mess with people, at the end of the day, he is still a kid,not very emotionally mature, his persona is also the Greek goddess of revenge
@@joaolima7131 Nemesis was the Goddess of Karma.
@@Ron_Keffer AND revenge, even her game description says it, and most greek mitology sources and books, and karma is in a way related to revenge
@@joaolima7131 sometime developers change stuff for the game.
@@Ron_Keffer good grief dude, why so stubborn? Does it really matter that much? In the game she was ALWAYS despicted as such, even her appearances in older games like P2 refer to her as such, and Karma and Revenge can be associated with each other, someone receiving karma for some people, is considered a form of revenge, even when searching "Greek god of revenge" her name is the first to appear and it's also the definition on Oxford dictionary
Ok, i get what you mean, but hear me out....
10/04
My opinion is he is by far the worst member of sees and a horrifically floord character. The thing with floord character is you still have to give them something to make them redeemable but ken hasn't got that because the thing ment to be his redeeming thing is also shinjis death and you cant have the death of a much more likeable character ( that they where partly reposibel for ) be the thing that redeems them without everyone missing the much more likeable character and imagining how things could have been if they weren't dead. Also the hole femc thing where alot of people see femc as in the wrong ken is basically froceing himself on her as evan when she is just trying to be nice he gets way to in to it for me to not see it in that way. Also the fact he is incredible obnoxious, your character can be floord and still be got but there is a limit and ken gos past the limit. So in conclusion he is a just sbad character and person and frankly doesn't get hated enough
Can you repeat that with about 90% less slang? I'm not from wherever you got your dialect from, so I don't know what "floord" means. Also, Ken is an adolescent while FEMC is a later stage teenager. You can easily just not go down the romance option during Ken's social link. As for Shinji:
Takaya fired the gun that ended Shinjiro's life. Not Ken.
I don't get why people can't blame the actual murderer for butting into a conversation that could have probably ended with Ken being talked down from both his revenge and suicide plot and blame Ken for wanting to confront Shinjiro (who might I add, just like with FEMC, could have easily just went along with the rest of S.E.E.S. to fight the strength and fortune shadows and Ken wouldn't have been able to stop him from doing so even with his Persona). Ken wasn't the one who fired the gun. It's like if you have a significant other and you took them out to a mall on a date, a terrorist blows the mall up, kills the SO and I came up and blamed YOU for their death instead of the person who planted and detonated the bomb in the first place. All of this not even mentioning that Shinjiro was taking those Persona repressing drugs and was going to die to their side effects soon enough anyway even if he didn't confront Ken or Takaya didn't ambush them.
@@lmrpirate5273 I'm not saying I blame Ken for shinjiros death, that was enviable I'm saying that you can't have the death of someone more likeable be the thing to help redeem another character and not have people wishing that the one who died had lived instead of this less likeable character. Also frooded means has problems, and I didn't know that wasn't a commonly used word sorry. Also the ken love line being optional still doesn't make up for the fact that the entire latter have from rank 6+ has him very openly flirting with femc and that just makes me uncomfortable.
this is an amazing video, i agree with everything you're saying!! i love ken so much 😭
do you think you'd ever be willing to make an analysis on any of the members of strega? more specifically, jin. no pressure of course! (；´∀｀)
I could do an analysis for Strega someday I’ve gotten a few requests for it
@@YandereGogeta i'd love that!