Money and Influence: Peter Attia’s Lawsuit against Oura Ring
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- Опубліковано 29 кві 2024
- A recent lawsuit by Peter Attia against his former sponsor OURA ring is a total bombshell--not because the outcome matters much one way or another, but because it outlines exactly how health influencers get paid to alter their messaging on behalf of companies and even alter the direction of scientific studies. Through the court filings I found out that he is sponsored by at least ten companies and is somehow also involved in a $200 Million "blank check company" in the Cayman Islands which does...well...who know's what?
The most important part of this lawsuit is that it's likely a blueprint for how every other health influencer out there ALSO gets paid. The same basic contracts likely fill the bank accounts of Andrew Huberman, David Sinclair, Andy Galpin, Lex Friedman, Dave Asprey, Mark Hyman, Rangan Chatterjee, Tim Ferris, Matthew Walker and so many more.
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Oura is not a medical device, it is not FDA cleared. It is a consumer device like Apple Watch and other biometric wearables. Consumers are responsible for understanding the difference.
As an Attia fan, I’ve spent exactly zero dollars on his product recommendations. He always clearly discloses his conflicts and often speaks honestly about them.
What I have gained is knowledge about trainin and diet. All for free.
Now, it’s obvious that people do buy his endorsed products, but as long as he discloses the relationships, what’s the problem? He has never ever said that one of these products is required or necessary. Often he actually downplays them and specifically says they aren’t necessary.
100% Agree.
The problems are legion:
1) medical professionals have to abide by professional ethics, lines can easily get crossed intentionally or unintentionally when tons of money are at stake.
2) there are countless cognitive biases infecting the influencer, and that’s just the sincere ones, not counting the snake oil.
3) honesty matters. Your acceptance and complacency are sad. It’s the crowding out of basic service and decency by the immoral logic of markets. See Michael Sandel’s “what money can’t buy” for more.
4) wealthier influencers can more easily grow and peddle their garbage compared to honest, decent ones not peddling garbage. The market always rewards the cheaters who are just adept at not getting caught or punished.
5) children grow up watching this trash, either but garbage products or become jaded cynics who don’t trust or believe anyone, because the whole country is run on lies, greed and deception.
@@RC-qf3mpYou’re just speaking in generalities here. Yes, all of those things CAN happen, but ARE they happening in the case of Dr. Attia? Honestly, these critiques all come across as sour grapes from people who are jealous that influencers are making a lot of money.
@@JoshMatthewsMorgan a non sequitur and ad hominem remark. Congratulations. And nothing of substance. Of course they are generalizations- true generalizations that accurately generalize in direct response to the issue at hand, namely, why this practice of influencers peddling garbage is so foul. Funny how you didn’t deny the truth of my claims. Easier to just insult people I suppose. And no, I’m from a generation that sees “influencers” as sideshows to reality. I’m quite content with my not in life and not having to peddle snake oil. No thanks.
@@RC-qf3mp You’ve given no examples or direct evidence that this is what’s happening in the case of Dr Attia. How can I “deny the truth of your claims” when you’ve not made a specific claim about Dr Attia? It’s true that those can be problems with influencers taking on sponsors. It’s not true of every single influencers who does that.
I started listening to Andrew Huberman almost two years ago. So exciting at the beginning-the early sun, low lights at night, cold showers, and AG1. Huberman gives the impression he was a long time user of the product and they came to him with the offer to be a sponsor. Sounded so legit. I signed up for the monthly delivery knowing it was expensive but very alluring to this 76 year old grandmother. I felt part of a young and vibrant new clique. After six months “the thrill was gone” as one of my all time favorite songs goes. The article about Hubie capped it off. At my age if I’m going to spend two hours a week with a man I want him to live up to the image he has created around himself (troubled youth turned into thoughtful man). Oh well, to quote another favorite song, “ another one bites the dust”. Scott, thanks for your posts. I’m still excited to learn something new everyday-just not from Hubie and others like him.
Early sun exposure and low blue light at night are still great things to do. Just at some point these influencers run out of real things to talk about.
Consider drinking milk kefir instead.
@@wm6549 sponsored by the dairy industry. so many of these influencers are paid by the dairy and meat industry
Not sure what it is you are disillusioned about?
The “Huberman Article” should have caused concern if he was a married preacher espousing monogamy and a righteous lifestyle. He’s just a middle aged professor sharing his insights on neuroscience.
His transformation story wasn’t one of morality, but of a directionless youth to academically driven success.
It’s scary how an article of half truths, having nothing to do with the veracity of content a person is sharing, can tarnish the content itself.
AG1 is nice. Just massively overpriced. If I made $600k a year, it would be worth it for convenience.
This type of relationship is not only in the medical influencer sphere. Any time any YT channel promotes an item or service, remember it is Buyer Be Aware! We can easily be emotionally swayed to purchase the product or service especially if we like the person or persons promoting the item but in the end we all are responsible for doing our own due diligence.
I worked in the MedEd world for 20+ years and the incentivized deals and perks to your physicians and caretakers and trusted sources is mind boggling.
Is it trending better or worse in your mind?
@@sgcarney Worse on so many levels. Even the functional medicine practitioners are incentivized and create their own unregulated supplement lines to monetize their businesses. Big Food and Big Pharma control the airwaves and a significant portion of the media and the consumer ‘trusts’ the entities, corporations and medical figures they see and the content they produce. (IMHO).
And it had pretty direct effects. The opiod epidemic was largely fueled by outright lies perpetuated by the drug manufacturers, and by greasy shmoozing of doctors who were willing to peddle the products.
@@sgcarneytried to respond but it may have been deleted by YT.
@@sgcarney You've seen how the certain injections have been pushed recently - right? I'd say that's a clear sign things aren't getting better.
Great job. Helpful and insightful take. I’m in the same boat. Not throwing the baby out with the bath water, but we’re in a new landscape with murky boundaries.
Thank you for your work!!
Glad it was helpful!
In the US, a blank check company is a SPAC. It's a bag of money that isn't attached to a real operating business yet, but intends to be eventually. In the Caymans, maybe it is some sort of tax avoidance offshoring thing, I don't know.
The Huberman saga has left me feeling betrayed and disillusioned. I invested so much trust and admiration in someone who turned out to be so inauthentic and corrupt. It's a hard lesson to learn, but I'm determined to be more discerning and critical in the future. Thankyou Scott for doing a deep dive on this and all the other scientific influencers.
This revelation has opened my eyes to the importance of critical thinking and scrutiny, and I've realized that even the most influential voices can be tainted by external interests. Since then, I've made a conscious decision to only follow scientists who aren't sponsored by external interests. Although they may be scarce, I believe that transparent and independent scientists will become more prominent, and I look forward to seeing increased transparency in the scientific community
What did he do that was so inauthentic and corrupt?
He misled and stood up people in his life. His character integrity is not intact, hence trust is down. For some people of course him having several females believing they are exclusive with him at the same is proof of concept for his health & fitness information, probably many seek out this info to get laid.
@@jennifermeier3873 So you don't see a false equivalence in someones personal affairs and their work? Best not listen to most music then. I found his AG1 sponsorship the most disappointing thing I could give af what or who he has sex with if the information holds water its worth listening and learning from
@@jennifermeier3873 I don't think you have full information. The lady that accused him is convinced fraudster. Rest of the "females" from the article were anonymous so they could be faked. From my perspective the article was a hit peace for clicks, nothing concrete.
@@jennifermeier3873That he's bad at relationships (assuming that article was accurate) has no bearing on the quality of his scientific advice.
Scott always brings great news. Thanks for sharing.
Always!
Dr Dray the dermatologist has been becoming shadier every month that goes by.
I agree
Shady how? I think you're nuts.
Thanks for giving a shout out to what these “physicians” turned sales man and women who claim to care about ppl who actually suffer at the hands of the medical system they are part of.
keep up this kind of investigative work. we need more of this
I am following Attia's content regularly. Every time he mentioned Oura Ring in his podcast or other content, he always added, he is not independent because is working as a scientific advisor for the company. I do not always agree to everything what is Attia saying but I believe he is taking his disclosure and conflict of interest pretty seriously. I like many other Scott Carney's videos but this one is not the best one. I believe there is nothing wrong to get paid from external companies, if you are expert in some field, as long as you disclose it. Thera are few other things, for example the chart discussed on 16:15 - if you let Attia continue, he would explained that the sudden drop (a square chart) is impossible to reach, but his goal is to get as close as possible to that scenario. And so on....
I still think Attia is the best of the lot. That said, the contracts were very telling about the industry as a whole.
@@sgcarneyThe contracts are telling about the industry as a whole. But focussing on Attia somewhat diluted your point. I've never found him to be pushing a product, I didn't even know he was associated with Oura. The only thing I hear him regularly promote is some venison protein sticks. Which I've never bought and probably never will.
I agree. But the important thing in this video is the understanding of the sums of money involved.
Before I ever saw the video @sgcarney did on "Athletic Greens / AG1", I had concluded that the stuff was an overpriced multivitamin. And for me, the notion that this mix might somehow be "athletic" and/or some form of nutritional "green" (vegetable replacement?) seemed silly. It was clear to me that any health influencer who promotes the product is just doing so for the money. So they get a demerit for promoting an obviously overpriced multivitamin. Sadly, many of my favorite podcasters have taken part in this money grab. And it is disappointing.
Scott, this was amazing piece of investigative journalism!! You're so good at following the money trail. I'd love you to collab with Dr. John Campbell.
Yall I am confused. I don't see how its crazy that these guys get money from sponsors. Its a normal business practice just don't fall for ads.
did you miss the part about compromising the research
Oh, Scott Carney! Thanks for posting this video
Thanks Scott, the world is so blurry, we all need glasses 😂
Thank you for the thought-provoking video! Follow the money
…and see where it goes.
Listen but don’t ‘follow.’ It’s just people talking.
Thank you, very interesting 💪🏻🙏
Interesting to note that covid reinfections are a big long-term problem given that damage may be cumulative and no cure for long covid. None of these health and wellness podcast will touch the topic. Suspect they don't want to alienate a segment of audience and or sponsors because it's ultimately about the money. This bias guarantees this sector won't touch certain topics even if important
I've listened to most of Attia's podcasts, I've never been tempted to buy anything he discussed, and he disclosed his relationships with companies he works with. So I don't personally have any concern. I think he invests or partners with companies he believes in, not just for the payout. It makes sense to me that if a company he partnered with him didn't fulfill their obligations to him, that he would no longer associate with their product.
Good content Scott -
Great job, I enjoyed that quite a bit!
Glad you enjoyed it!
To be clear, Attia change on IF was _his_ model of it, which was never recommended for the general public. The science is clear on not eating past a certain time but no longer than 17 hours of fasting, giving the best metabolic outcomes without significant muscle loss. He was doing *3-day, water-only* fasts once a month and 7-day, water-only a quarter. To put it simply, that's a lot. He was losing a lot of muscle mass. Science-backed IF talks about what triggers autophagy, not just increasing the duration of fasting as much as possible. Attia admits, the science wasn't was saying 7-day, water-only fasts, 4 times a year should be a thing.
However, if we're talking about people who are metabolically sick, IF has long-term benefits that address diabetes and getting people off the meds that have long-term deleterious effects.
Great content and valid critiques.
One thing I wonder about is the "all or nothing" approach which I hear in this video and from other journalists. It's found in this paraphrased version of your statement: if he's influenced in this one instance, how can we trust him in any instance?
I don't think we shouldn't ever completely trust single individuals because bias is unavoidable. Instead of looking for the perfect source of information, one should be gathering from many sources.
One can of course exclude sources which one deems too biased, and I suppose it's implied that Peter Attia (and other influencers in this space) are too biased.
Thanks for the good work
not sure how to solve for money clouding or interfering with objectivity, but I agree it's likely a problem. particularly when it falls under the banner of science.
thx for shedding some light on the issue.
Thanks for watching. Let me know if you ever puzzle out how to do it. It's a tough nut to crack.
Peter recently mentioned in his podcast that he is not using Oura anymore. I wonder if this lawsuit is the cause - i.e. his prior usage and promotion of this product was driven by money in the first place rather than his belief in the quality of the product.
I bet the lawsuit is the cause.
It’s so refreshing to hear the influencers, that so many people follow unquestioningly, being called out on conflicts of interest. So many of them do great work, but it becomes very dubious when we follow the money trail. And unfortunate that so few of them have real integrity. But I guess that’s what goes with the territory of ego and fame.
The problem I have with this video is actually identifying instances where there's a conflict of interest. It's not enough to say it's a huge issue without highlighting when it's happening. And with Attia he's very open about having an interest in the company on the rare occasions he mentions one.
Andrew does business with David Sinclair, who turned out to be not credible (stated by another longevity scientist) and who just so happened to publicly wear an oura ring too, and Andrew says the same longevity cliff thing as David, nuff said.
He used a tracker, there are several different brands he could of used. It was part of the research so some device had to be used. The fact he, and by he what is meant is his organization, is compensated by that brand is irrelevant. Unless you are positing the results were skewed to make that a favourable brand? Even in that were true, the results would be effected only in so far as the differences between the one used and its competitors, it does not 'influence' what they are trying to accomplish within the research. Attia has never said he is doing this from the goodness of his heart, nearly always comes out and tells people if there is sponsorship, and/or is being endorse. He never hides he earns a living from this. He is not a Hero or deserves of a tribe a la Rogan, but he along with many others, have produced good material for people to contemplate. His book is excellent. Hopefully you are not trying to suggest Attia is operating on the same level as Huberman or Friedman, or Gundry or Pallidino? (edit: removed emotional assumption about Scott).
You should probably bother yourself enough to watch the first five minutes before shilling bro
@@craigslist6988 written before full version, new comment above. However sponsorship and endorsement of which nearly everyone does in most online and social media circles, and loss of integrity is a big gap to bridge. Especially when it comes to a piece of tech. I think the chaff from the wheat so to speak is when the alt wellness world puts a scare into people, create conspiracy around big pharma, and or use cherry picked and/or poor studies, to convince people to buy alternative products. You may argue sleep trackers, trackers, etc. and other such devices to chart metrics and baselines and improvements are bogus, and that is fair. To me as long as they don't negate the work needed but document what is already there, I see no issue. He is certainly not trying to to tell people not having an oura will effect your sleep, he is saying it can give you insight. that is a big difference. If he gets paid for that and believes it is the best so be it.
Independence cannot be compromised without a concomitant reduction in credibility. For example Eric Trump has a conflict or bias which disqualifies him from sitting on Donald’s jury.
I definitely have some issues with Attia. That said the cliff theory isn't one of them. Unless I missed is he said ideally, as in he doesn't know, but that's what he's hoping for.
I listen to a lot of these guys, but I rarely if even buy anything that they're selling, including their books.
What people don’t realize is that the majority of health researchers are in one way or another compensated by drug or device companies. Look at any study published and you will see the conflict of interest. It is a sad state of affairs but the norm in the scientific space. So this video is in no way surprising
Great exposé here…
It was interesting to find out about this financial relationship and how some things are working behind the scenes. Thanks. And I think it underscores the way skeptics like me approach these things.
I'm routinely try top find the contrary argument to anything some "influencer" says that matters to me. For instance, when Rohin Francis made some comments regarding Joe Rogan that didn't ring true, I investigated. Dr. Francis used a video clip of Rogan to support his point. But it was edited into a "meme." So I spent hours finding the original full podcast. When you listen to the comments unedited and in full context without some portions edited out, the meaning changes substantially and no longer supports Dr. Francis' assertions. My bet is that the video "meme" jibed with Dr. Francis' biase - so he went with it. Everybody and every expert has blind spots. Financial blind spots aren't the only ones.
BTW, when I search "squaring the curve" regarding health and longevity, I find the AMA pushing the idea back in 2010. The idea is based on the huge amount of scientific evidence that exercise significantly reduces the risk of CVD. We can certainly argue about the strength of the evidence and how to extrapolate from it. But the notion, as suggested by the author you quoted that there, "isn't any evidence for it" is baloney.
Is that author biased? I'm guessing so since right before the quote he talks about training "dozens of hours a week" taking more time that it will ever "tack on." Well the point of squaring the curve is mostly about quality of life, not quantity. So he's setting up a straw man to tip over. Also, few people recommend even a dozen hours of exercise, much less "dozens."
Like I said, everybody has a bias. Check, check again and then try to disprove your conclusions. Now you have a decent chance of having a decent understanding of what is currently understood.
You are deliberately misinterpreting what I said in this video to make a straw man argument.
@@sgcarney How so? I hardly commented on what you said. And my comments about what you said were positive. I commented mostly on what was said by the two sources.
I know I wrote a lot. So maybe a re-read will make what I said more clear?
@@sgcarney I really don't want to draw you into a back and forth debate. So let me summarize my point.
I don't trust any "influencer." If it matters, I double and triple check from a variety of sources. And I try to poke holes in my initial conclusions. And even then, I try to stay open to new data that contradicts my conclusions.
The main reason I have this lack of trust is that I've seen even the smartest people get blindsided by their own biases and perverse incentives. I've watched Dr. Francis display his. And reading above the highlighted text in the book you cited shows likely problems with that source as well. I'm not suggesting that you had any ill intent in using these sources. But these two examples serve to illustrate my point about everybody having biases and blind spots. That includes me.
Fantastic video, thanks. Any funding = COI
What is Attia's connection to Morpheus?? He claims none.
the question is do they advertise hat they believe in or do they take any sponsorship that pays and then they claim that it 'd be great. I think mostly not the latter
Exactly.
You should have mentioned he discloses all of these relationships on his website.
I did. I even showed pictures of his disclosure page.
@@sgcarney disregard clearly I wasn't paying attention 😅
While I recognise the general point being made my issue is with the obvious and direct references to Peter Attia. I've watched a lot of his stuff and I've read his book. I very rarely feel like he's pushing a product on anyone. Quite a few times he's mentioned this venison protein stick but that's just his source of protein. He recognises basically any source of protein is fine.
People listen to Attia for the medical advice which is presumably based on the advice he gives his patients who are paying him a fortune. He has the facility to do huge amounts of research on epidemiology in order to offer the best preventative advice. And obviously he'll tailor this to his patients based on their own situation. He can't do those tests on his audience so has to offer generalised advice. And it's all completely logical and backed with science. And as I said, it's not connected to the products he's associated with.
I think you could have picked better examples by starting with Attia's lawsuit and expanding to others.
One video at a time.
Haha the thumbnail halo😂
Interesting, thank you. My two cents, as someone that has listened to 90% of Attia's podcast content, and his book, and btw nothing in the book that I had not already heard in his podcasts. He probably did mention aura ring a few times in his podcasts, but I don't have any specific memory of it (excepting a recent mention in his heart rate variability podcast where he said he was no longer using the Aura Ring.) I certainly didn't feel any desire to buy the Aura Ring, or even research it, and I do often research products he mentions. Maybe worth noting that I have a general bias against wearables, that I do not own any wearables, and I think people that make health decisions based upon wearables lack critical thinking skills.
Seems a rather blanket statement on "wearables." I find my Garmin watch to be a perfectly fine and convenient way to track my exercise activities and to some extent, my cycling performance. As with most devices, the key is to have some understanding of what the device actually does and its limitations.
It's the bias. The sponsors in the same space are a direct conflict because of the bias it causes with what you are doing. Especially in the medical field, that is much worse. However, Scott Carney, you don't have to dismiss all sponsors in the name of conflict. They don't have to be that. They may be of value to us, your listeners, especially because of your straight forward approach. Don't write them all off. It could help you and us !
Didja get that shirt at Dan Flash's? It's a pretty complicated pattern...
Attia rarely makes claims, as you suggest. I've been following him (and am myself a physiologist) since his first website about insulin. What he does is discuss the scientific literature on increasing the well-span with the experts who are doing the research. His focus is way more concentrated on the prevention or delay of chronic illness than life extension. Except for people like David Sinclair, the vast majority of scientists - and especially those on Attia's podcast - describe research findings in terms of "the data suggest". This is hypothesis building, not claim making. My experience is that Attia is more skeptical and conservative about conclusions than anybody else in the space. He did not say that the squaring of the longevity curve is a thing; he said "In an ideal world". There is strong evidence that exercise impacts metabolic health and functionality of movement in aging, and brain health, and he does say if you're going to do one thing, do that.. There is also strong evidence regarding sleep. To say the preponderance of the evidence suggests x, is not making a claim. It's scientific discourse. The deal with Oura is kinda sucky and does seem pretty conflicted, although he never mentions Oura - or any of the products he advises on or invests in - without clearly making that disclosure. The word on Topel is that he doesn't know how to read a scientific study. But he sure gets his name in the papers a lot.
As I said, best of the bunch. It’s still very useful to see how influencer money moves.
Attia's company with Taubes that was backed by the billionaire was sketchy and interesting. They spent a lot of money to run a study to prove Taubes' theory on carbs being bad for you was right. The data showed the opposite, and they all barely mentioned the results. The company was shut down with quiet fanfare. Also, I always viewed with a raised eye and skepticism that "Dr." Attia never completed his medical residency, instead choosing to leave early and start work as a consultant with McKinsey. Perhaps an early indication of his eye towards the $$?
I agree. The detour as a consultant was very strange for a top doctor.
That's simply a lie. The research on a metabolic advantage for ketogenic diets confirmed an increase in base metabolic rate and has been further confirmed by Dr. David Ludwig's Lab. Even Kevin Hall, a principle detracter of the claim, has reviewed the data and confirmed the effect, with the only controversy being the intensity of the effect (as low as 75 to as much as 250 calories per day increased metabolic rate).
Ha, you should do David Sinclair- influencer science guy that is a complete mess.
Interesting vid. "champing" at the bit
Has he got shares in psk9 inhibitor drug companies?
These bro casters are all so predictable… start off sharing honest research, go on JR show, increase viewership as a result, then drop the “honest “ part of the research for the $$$
Its all about the money the honesty and integrity disappears once money is involved.
Dr Gregor, science based videos, no sponsers. Hes the author of how not to die, and a bunch of others. I never listen to the ones you talked about, cause its obvious their ego driven.
I don't follow him because I don't want to look like him when I'm 51 years old.
No evidence for medicine 3.0? That's certainly not true at all. Maybe not these long-term RCTs, but as mentioned in the video, that's incredibly hard to do. There is epidemiology supporting it though. Well and even some RCTs on specific topics like CVD.
Are you taking into account that perhaps 50% of medical studies can't be replicated which means they are bullshit? 😄
Years ago I saw Peter Attia crying on TED about his sorrow for how he treated diabetic ppl. I fell for it. Then years later I learn of him charging membership to hear podcasts as he baits ppl with segments of his celebrity podcasts… then I heard him speak about his very expensive watch collection and his obsession with formula one racing. WTF “doctor”. No more after that scammer revealed himself. No wonder he needs psycho therapy… terrible character struggles plague one.
Wait till you see he's gone, Hollywood, and is supporting his buddy Kevin Spacey.
I think this is a lot less insidious than you're making it out to be.
It's just as insidious as it is.
He says exactly what is insidious about it - it adds unaccountable sponsorships to research studies.
How is it "not AS insidious" as it is. He literally does not even infer anything here, it's all in black and white in the lawsuit. You don't need to make inferences or assumptions so how is he "making it out to be" anything?
Sounds like you just have beef with facts coming out and you don't like what they are.
The only defense against his criticism that sponsorship money affecting research studies is bad is the now century old argument that money can only "help" science, which is as laughable today as Reaganomics. No one with half a neuron believes sponsorship money in science doesn't bias the study.
It's just as insidious as it is.
He says exactly what is insidious about it - it adds unaccountable sponsorships to research studies.
How is it "not AS insidious" as it is. He literally does not even infer anything here, it's all in black and white in the lawsuit. You don't need to make inferences or assumptions so how is he "making it out to be" anything?
Sounds like you just have beef with facts coming out and you don't like what they are.
The only defense against his criticism that sponsorship money affecting research studies is bad is the now century old argument that money can only "help" science, which is as laughable today as Reaganomics. No one with half a neuron believes sponsorship money in science doesn't bias the study.
@@craigslist6988 well you seem pretty convinced. I guess actual civil discussion is out of the question. But... This is ugly reductionism. Getting paid by the tech company and 'influencer on research studies' is a big gap to bridge. If he did it all over again with an apple watch, whoop, etc. would it make a difference? Based on your responses I doubt an honest answer is in the works, but have you read his book? Did you go through his content where he clearly and on many occasions explicitly lets his audience know he is sponsored by certain products? There are so many conspiratorial leaps in your point of view its laughable. Follow the money - cliche... how do you know the money is not being funnelled back into more research and to pay the best researchers for his team? Is the assumption so binary that once money stats flowing everything is in question and integrity is lost? In that case, how do you know Scott is not making money and he is not being paid by Attia's competitors who like medicine 2.0 and want to discredit him? Sure what Scott is saying is relevant, but once it's tuned into a witch hunt then YA its not as insidious as it is being made out to be.
I think the comparison to a race car was good in a few different ways. If it's not an issue, why wasnt this info public already? You can see exactly how many sponsors a race car has and marvel at the amount of money going into it
AG1 even send you an ad-copy-script where you pretend you've been drinking it for a year and you pretend you've noticed an impact, for example.. But you don't disclose your sudden and short-lived role as an actor when you read it, I'm astounded it's legal tbf
@@lolbubs11111 completely agree
11:04 Funny you would talk about people calling out conflict of interest when Attia himself made a clear statement of his conflict.
It’s well known if you declare a conflict of interest it goes away.
@@sgcarney No, but it's strange to applaud someone for 'calling him out' when the guy called him self out in all-caps at the bottom of his own tweet.
Anyway Peter Attia continues to have my trust and respect but I appreciate you bringing this info to our attention. The size and the detail of these financial arrangements is very relevant and interesting.
I have a hard time believing he has ever listened to his podcast.
Idk man but everytime I watch your stuff my 'slightly fake and rent seeking' alarm bells go off.
Best to ignore published documents and recorded tape so you can keep whatever illusions you need to get through the day.
Whene did Attie chamge his mind on intermitent fasting? Did you read the book? He has clearly said that he changed his mind on prolongued 35-72 hours fasting! Because of the muscle loss, but not the 16-24hr fast! Wich are included in the intermitent fasting! Must clear it out
Watch Tomas Delauer interviews with him.
Alright bro, i subbed. If you hit 4 mill subs ill know you sold out like the rest of them :p
I can't think of one somebody turned influencer/podcaster that I've bought something from. Scratch that. I bought access to Lance Armstrongs day of/live race coverage. I really like Layne and Peter, but have no idea of Peters sponsors nor Layne. I know he has 5 supplements/vitamins you can take to be productive/optimal. Im way to skeptical of things that sound too good to be true and im a 56 yo woman, decently fit and not looking for "more". No watches, no bikes, no sleep monitors or supplements, no prescription meds, etc. Also, I hate the cult vibe of these communities and for this lifelong tomboy, the masculine bs is too much.
I never liked Attia or Friedman. I'm not good at seeing all poor behavior, but these are just two who seem INAUTHENTIC. It's tempting to sell out for money online. I have a small channel and I see the temptation to post content or accept ads just for the money. It comes down to unchecked capitalism and need for survival. So the tribe has to keep people in check.
I like Attia! Waiting to find out I'm wrong. I think he's cashing in on fear of death and the scammy "biohacking" trend, but without spreading misinformation.
there's still interesting info on health and biology, that's what most of it is.
I listen to a lot of doctors who don't do that cashing in and are more measured, more focused on information than a false promise of longevity, and they have tiny tiny followings. People like dramatic promises and unfounded optimism
From what I have seen and so far Attia always acknowledges when he/they gets paid for something he is using in his content. He hates biohacking bs (see recent short). Attia runs an outfit of people focused on living in good health for the longest amount of time. If his team is made up of quality people, they need to be paid. Not sure what is inauthentic about that. Their messaging is health positive and mostly anti-quick fix products. It is impossible to avoid every instance of the appearance of conflicts of interest when for instance a ring like Oura is one instrument used to measure sleep and they are willing to pay him for something already being used en-mass. He never says OURA is the only /best/better.
The growing trend towards exposing obvious grifters/conmen is now leading towards a witch hunt where some sort of unachievable level of purity has become the endless fruit or even trough feed for a new bread of influencers (or de-influencers as I heard someone say) who are also cashing in within the social media medium. This is the new 'inauthentic' we need to keep an eye out for. There is merit in what Scott and others are doing, but i hope it does not devolve into a targeting for the sake of producing the popular content of the moment. (I think Friedman is more in line with Huberman and should not be in the same category of Attia IMO)
yep I never liked him or huberman somehow, I just never felt energetically drawn to them despite the content seeming interesting. Like you say, something insincere about them
It sure is funny watching a health “expert” on longevity with radiating ear pods microwaving his brain.
Believing in “viruses” and “variants” and shoving poisoned needles with secret ingredients under the skin equals the last dude anyone should be listening to about “longevity.”
Wait lol did you actually disable the ability to watch this on 2x speed …. YT won’t allow
I didn't. It could have something to do with the trailer function while setting up premiers.
@@sgcarney oh. Nice. 😅 never seen that before (where can’t watch it in 2x).
@@A91367can’t watch 2x when in premier stream.
I thought I was the only one! I wish there was a 3x speed.
@@kk59204 agreed. Spotify allows up to 3.5x. Heaven.
I would like to sell e-courses 😅
Oura is urine in Greek - just a coincidence.
Calling Peter Attia a science influencer is downright insulting.
Why?
I don’t see the money dictating the science here as he routinely points out his conflicts of interest. If he were to be conducting research and purposefully altering it to be flattering to his sponsor, I’d feel substantially differently, but that doesn’t appear to be the case. If anything, coming on board as an advisor seems a bit more consequential as it’s plain to see that he has that interest, and you can conduct yourself accordingly when you come across his content. It also means that if/when the company gets busted for being bogus or selling snake oil, he should also be drug through the mud. However I don’t see that being the case with Oura. AG1, perhaps, but after watching your other video about AG1, it just seems to be a supplement company like any other, and I draw more issue with the lack of regulation in that space.
As I said in the video, he's among the best of the scientific influencers on the interent. The insight is what those sponsorship deals actually look like on the inside.
@@sgcarney True, and hopefully I don’t come across as if to discredit that aspect, or to white knight for the guy.
Attia and Huberman have built medical construct not based on real data in order to sell gadgets and supplements. All good propaganda is a mixture of mostly truth to conceal the big lie.
I’m really not sure what your specific allegation is here, Scott.
You’re alleging that he is in some nefarious plot to “influence science Willy nilly”, whatever that means.
And that he recommends Oura Ring to his audience and gets paid for the recommendation..?
Do you have a more specific example of when he gave conflicted advice?
Maybe he truly believes in the Oura Ring as a wearable health tracker that can be a “game-changer”, as he put it in the tweet.
If that’s the case, and if he disclosed the financial relationship, what’s the harm?
One could argue based on your numerous videos criticizing science influencers that you have a financial conflict of interest as well.
You’re making money off of your independent reporting and promoting your Patreon account.
You’re in the business of getting attention just as any podcaster would be.
This critique just comes across as sour grapes, to be honest.
I’ve written about my own conflicts of interest. They are nothing compared to attia’s
@@sgcarney Are they “nothing” because we’re not talking about as much money? Is that how you’re quantifying “nothing”?
I like this line of enquiry but the statement that he specifically could "alter the direction of scientific studies" wasn't supported in this review or the details of the lawsuit. Is there meant to be evidence of ttia somehow influencing peer review publication or is this a reference to other influencer and Attia is just getting lumped in. To be clear, to actually unduly influence a study, once would have to be a co-author or an acknowledged supporter and NOT declare the existing conflict of interest. Or, one would need to be an uncredited co-author or contributor who made meaningful contributions to a study, and also had conflicts of interest. This is a very specific accusation, and I'd like to know what it's based on?
That’s a very narrow definition of undue influence.
@@sgcarney”alter the direction of scientific studies” please explain
I did. It’s in my video and the legal docs.
@@sgcarney I'm looking at the legal docs. Nowhere does it claim Attia "altered the direction of scientific studies" or did anything other than a) consult directly to the company and b) "helping make introductions to help Oura Ring be used in medical studies". There's no way you can reasonable go from that to "alter"ing the direction of studies.
Why are none of the major health influencers women?
Ah yes. Just follow the money. Don’t be a sheep.
Good piece for the most part. Would be good if you can actually interview him. I think it is important to understand Attia does not refer to 'big pharma' in a derogatory manner and differentiate him as a proponent of pharmacology when needed unlike 'alt-wellness space' personalities who are motivated to vilify big pharma so they can hock alt medicines and modalities. Although I am surprised he still is sponsored or is involved with ATG as it is a sham IMO. He himself is clear the lifespan model is theoretical. The Doctor from the article says there is no evidence should know it is extrapolated from probabilities on the strength of the best evidence we have at our disposal. So that point is silly. What should also be noted is Attia is passionate about a move from Medicine 2.0 to 3.0 and the amount and power and influence it will take to for the current practice of disease treatment to prevention may well need some really big blank cheques!. I am not getting a thin veneer from Attia as you put it; that's a lot of work and research simply be putting on a fakery and/or nefarious purposes. But agree it is hard distinguish those who are holy disingenuous when it seems the underpinnings of the brands involve large movement of money. Again, not being tribal or shilling, but as you said, of the litany of influencers I personally think he is one of the best, but I am not immune to understanding he is human and has motivations which may conflict with medical transparency.
The thing is: everything that you're pointing out as the problem with relationship and dynamic is 100 times worse in the pharmaceutical industry and between food conglomerates and nutrition research. I would question if you're not being funded by one of these groups for this video in order to take attention off of the former stated issues??? 🤔🤨 We all know they need to get paid or no one would be producing anything worth watching on UA-cam and it would just be a channel for posting family videos for your friends group.
If Big Pharma or the Illuminati wants to sign up for one of my very affordable memberships on Substack they are more than welcome!
Ummm
Hes a payed contributor
Hes an employee
Or
Hes a investor
Whats the problem dude
Not an issue - all legal
I never said it was illegal. It is unethical.
Why did you only highlight male podcasters and throw up pics of them? There are tons of female podcasters doing the same thing ie. sponsored by the same brands. Why did you not mention any of them? I'm not saying your content isn't relevant. I am saying I notice you are singling out males and it concerns me. Also, often you are using female guests to critique the male podcasters, which of course can be valid but I'm still left wondering where are the critiques of female podcasters doing the same thing?
How many of the top 100 science grifters are women?
@@sgcarney answering a question with a question. Disappointing. But at least you responded so I'll give you some props for that
You missed the real point. Scientific studies are bought and paid for BS!
Scott is an author who’s getting paid by clicks, book sales and patreon. Hopefully we all know that controversy gets clicks/sales. Therefore he has an incentive to be biased and controversial.
There were so many unfounded claims leaps and leaps of association in this video.
Every human is biased. Every last one of us. Dr. Attia clearly disclosed his conflicts of interest and getting paid to promote a sleep tracker is fine with me. It will actually help people.
This is a typical smear piece to get clicks and cash.
It's strange that you think court records and corporate filings are unfounded. It's also odd you think that I'm biased because I make a few hundred dollars on patreon and youtube ads, but Attia isn't because he makes millions of dollars selling sponsorships.
Just like this video, you make unfounded jumps/claims in your replies. The court records and filings aren’t unfounded. Do they accuse Dr. Attia of anything? No. Your leap to implying that Dr. Attia has compromised his ethics and content by working with Oura and other companies is what is unfounded.
And you only make a few hundred bucks from UA-cam? So you just spend hours making videos out of altruism? Being controversial on the algorithm doesn’t help you sell books? That’s amazing. But if you want to be altruistic, please be factual. Show evidence of influence, not just assumptions of influence.
Dr. Attia discloses his relationships and I’ve listened to most of his content and it’s definitely not biased. Your content however is.
Dr. Attia can make millions working with Oura and still give unbiased content. He can even help design good solid clinical trials for them. All can be true.
If you would like to make a video outlining any evidence that Dr. Attia has done anything wrong, I would love to see that, truly. Make sure to send me a notification so I don’t miss it.
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Attia is terrible. Some of his device has been completely debunked and he doesn’t reply.
Could you please provide links? Thanks.
@@olezhek008
I tried
This channel deletes links.
Search ‘ Bart Kay’
yes, cite your sources.
People need to stop believing content creators and influencers. They also need to be wary of doctors who work more for UA-cam than in hospitals or clinics. I don't trust in INFOPRODUCER Peter Attia.
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I don't know Scott. I feel like you are jumping to conclusion and interpreting things for proving your point. I think that Attia would not recommend something only for money, if he recommends this , he thinks it's a good product. He even recommends stuff for free. I think you try to grow your subscriber base on essentially clickbaits and confirmation bias.
What is that basis for you to conclude Attia would never do something for millions of dollars while I am only searching for clicks? Seems like a double standard.
"I support myself mostly from UA-cam advertising." Which means that you get paid according to clicks. Which means that you have an incentive to produce "clickbait," including by hysterically impugning someone like Peter Attia. Have you disclosed that conflict of interest like Peter Attia discloses all of his conflicts of interest on his webpage and how he explicitly disclosed his conflict of interest IN THE VERY TWEET THAT YOU SHOW ON YOUR VIDEO?
Did you happen to mention that Peter Attia's strongest pieces of advice to expand a healthy life are:
- don't eat crap
- exercise
- get enough sleep, and
- manage stress through something like mindfulness (if needed).
Boy, it sure sounds like you can make tons of money from Big Pharma with that kind of advice.
Did you not watch the video?
do people really believe Attia? you have to be pretty uncritical to not see what he's up to.
But,but but...... He's going to win the Octogenarian Olympics, the Nonargenarian Olympics, Centenarian Olympics, and so on and so on. Honestly can't wait to see this on Tuesday. I've long suspected there is something up with Attia. Especially since he said couple years ago he was already taken a statin as a 'preventative measure'!! Lol!!. And another thing does the guy ever smile? He's so fricking serious it's laughable. A lot of stress there,
Attia pushes big meat agenda and discounts plant based diet, which actually has data and evidence showing increased longevity.
I don't think Attia is mentally flexible at all, i would describe him more as sloppy. He annoys me greatly with his inability to grasp concepts.
Interesting @bart-kay