NEW Age of Sigmar Box is Big and Expensive!!!
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In this episode of Model and Memories #165 Jay goes through all the reveals for Warhammer Age of Sigmar Skaventide!!! We have new videos every Monday, Wednesday and Friday!
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At the $300 (+ Tax) Price Point, I think a lot of Hobbyists are gonna *_Pass_* on this box set.
I believe the terrain is for the Skirmish Game that comes within the box
Jay's rating system
A. It's jingling my jangles
B. It's fine
C. It's fiiiiiine
D. It doesn't clingle my clams
F. Kinda baaaad
you forgot jimmy my jams
And flimming my flams
You forgot “it doesnt flim my flams”
Or butter my biscuits
I’ve also heard a “best hobby shop this side of the Mississippi” once
"I feel like I could get this half done in 24 hours" is a great excuse for another 24 hr challenge for the algorithm
I mean...at this point I feel like we ought to be able to sue for mental damages if we don't get this after that obvious hint 🤣😂
Dominion and leviathan were 1 week challenges. Jay, are you SURE you can do the skaven in 1 day?
I went straight to the comment section after he said that.
I painted the Space Marine half of Leviathan in 24 hours. I'll be doing something similar with Skaventide!
@theunrelentingbrush I truly envy people with this kind of time. It took me 6 months to finish the nids in Leviathan, and I felt guilty about several of the painting sessions I weaseled into my schedule
2:00 - But they DID include enough terrain in the box to play the game. That's the trick that they're not saying out loud. This isn't truly an Age of Sigmar 4.0 starter box. This is a full boxed game of Spearhead, with two complete armies, a hardcover rulebook, and everything you'd need to start playing (except dice).
true, people seem to not understand that
Hello, Skaven (and stormcast) guy here.
The Ratling Wrapblaster isn’t a squirt gun, its fires wrap stone. Consider it a normal gatling gun but instead of being feed bullets it compresses magic rocks
Lol you know Jay said it to get these comments
the "scope" is prob powered by warpstone also
Ik it’s a typo, but I wish they made a Christmas skaven that shot Wrap stone
What is a wrap stone
Models and Memories Weekly “how?” compilation coming when?
Hah I was wondering if they would make that too
Yes!
See a job, do a job
Sounds like a bunch of dogs barking
Ive considered doing that, he didn't do the how in the first couple M&Ms but started pretty early.
All AOS/40k special characters are descendents of the legendary human hero, Jonathan Frakes. This explains why they are always standing around with one foot up on a rock.
Gotta get that riker maneuver in there.
Holy crap I am using this from now on!
Like I went from "meh I still don't have any interest in SCE" to "I MUST FRAKES COLOR/BEARD SCHEME THEM ALL" now.
I dont even play AoS but I picked up Dominion for $90 at my local shop and was happy to paint them
Dominion for 90$ ? what a bargain
As I do my morning commute to work, you’re “how” is ingrained in my head so when I play these video in the background, I now scream “how” & point a finger at the closest car.
Where are my marbles?
Lost like mine.
The terrain is meant for the Spearhead mode from what I've seen on warcom.
Spearhead is more the interesting development for me as with Leviathan, yes, you had two combat patrols in the box, but that was it. With the AoS version, you're getting all rules upfront and in a separate hardback and boards.
I understand that AOS is not really your game but:
The terrain is perfectly made for the new Spearhead Format and is supposed to be used on the Warcry sized board, not for a full 2000pts Match Rule Games.
The Box is more or less the same price as the Leviathan box but contains much higher point values then Leviathan did. Depending on how points might change with the new edition, these are more then 1000 Points each and actually playable (as opposed to getting totally mismatching Heroes / Units in Leviathan)
Stormcast did somehow resemble Space marines early on, but these new Sculpts are much more their own identity. And FYI purity seals origin from Warhammer Fantasy, especially Flagellants, so having them on AOS miniatures makes more sense, then 40k adapting them :P
You can take stormcasts , paint them gold, give them custodes spears and it is hard to see the difference.
@@piotrjeske4599 How does an iron-maiden/iron death mask resemble the banana helmet? Also there is no tech in the stormcast armor, contrary to the custodes
@piotrjeske4599 yes you very much would. Have you actually seen a custodes miniture?
Glue a back pack, space marine helmet and maybe, if you want switch the shoulder pads, and they are marines. Even the size is the same.
i thought the same..its sounds like to listen to someone who thinks he now what he is talking about..but in reality does only know that that is another game.
I am genuinely excited for this box. I love the fact that Stormcast Eternals have more of an identity, instead of resembling fantasy Space Marines. Can't wait to see what other new models they bring out in the new edition for Age of Sigmar.
Not gonna lie, the Skaven are the big deal for me, but having a respectable list for folks who display an interest is a big thing for me, and stormcast being an elite army means less painting for more fun, I'll probably not run them much if ever, (maybe a few times for the lulz) but I have to admit, they look great, especially the flying dudes even if I know what's coming (snapped wingtips, broken hearts etc)
Agreed on the Stormcast, they moved their visuals A LOT since their original release. But of course they cannot completely re-ivent them. But these new models are much better.
I think the idea of the terrain is that if you get 4 pieces in the GW style your more likely to buy more in the GW style to match then to buy other sets.
All of those storm cast characters have perfect bits for my salamanders conversions FLAMING SWORDS AND AXES YEAH
Jay, I love you, but seriously, every time you say something 'looks very 40k', it puts me in mind of that tweet about the guy who has only ever seen The Boss Baby watching his second ever movie and going, "Getting a lot of Boss Baby vibes from this..."
What was the film? 😂
I LEFT A SIMILAR COMMENT JUST NOW, lol!
tbf some of those models do look very 40k
If the same company made both movies the joke would be less effective
So its not just me then, good. Normally like the channel for hobby but not for the AOS which is what I play cuz as you stated....
4:05 Hippogriff was the creature in Harry Potter.
I did not expect to get inspired to start a skaven army today, but here we are...
GW, NEEDS TO MAKE A LOTTTTTT OF SKAVENTIDE BOXSETS!!!!!!! They'd better not disappoint us.!!!!
Hmm I think I've seen this before haha
They won't. It'll be more FOMO bullshit.
Dominion didn’t sell well. They still had boxes months after release. I don’t think they are going to run out of these boxes…
Yep they won‘t run out of them, hype around aos releases are a purely online thing, the local communities mostly don‘t give a shit and stick to 40k…
@@juzkfulI agree. I have a nice gaming club nearby and they don't even PLAY Age of Sigmar there 🤷🏾♂️
The static grass does actually look really cool - it gives more dimension and life to the model!
15:15 Gatling guns/miniguns have the extra barrels so they can cool down before having to fire again. It’s still just one “chamber” that all the shots are going through. The fire rate would melt a barrel if it were just one, but now you have 1/6th the heat generation from the 6 barrels instead!
I *LOVE* this Launch Box! Sure, it might be pretty expensive, but I know that I'm getting *everything* that I need to start 4th edition. Including the year's Generals Handbook for matched play. I'm also very excited for the Stormcast, I think you're being a bit too sour on them, I think the modern Stormcast look has drifted alot further from Space Marines than you claim. And I think you should really compare the new Stormcast to the old sculpts they're replacing, the Liberators, Prosecutors, Knight-Questor and Lord-Veritant look *SO* much better than their original iterations, far more than the "15%" you claim in the video.
Also, I hope you realize that the "edgey armor" on some of these new Stormcast is supposed to represent the ones closest to losing their humanity. That's why they have skulls on their shields instead of the usual stylized Sigmar face. Also, the Reclusians have one-handed axes(styalized ones at that if you compare them to the other Stormcast with axes in this box) while the Praetors have Halberds/Poleaxes, which are completely different weapons. Finally, there's not "3 different eras of Gryph-Hound." The Gryph-Hounds we got in 3rd edition werent wearing radically different armor like the Thunderstrike Stormcast, the Lord-Imperitant from Dominion had a Gryph Hound with an armored head, but thats it. The Gryph-Hounds that came with the Knight Judicator were just in more dynamic poses, but they were still just regular Gryph-Hounds. Finally, the Lord-Veritant's companion isn't a "Gryph-Hound" it's called a "Gryph-Crow" yes, I'm going to be that pedantic.
My last point is about the Skaven, I think you're being a bit too hard on the Rat Ogors. They're *supposed* to be Frankenstein mutants, so the separation of fur and flesh just sells that effect of them being horrid abominations, to me at least.
0:45 “they had the reveal that there would later be a reveal. But now we’re later!”
This absolutely feels like it comes from Space Balls
“When will then be now?”
“Soon…”
I think they rumbled about the textures because they want new people to buy contrast paints more often. Texture is what all the youtube channels talk about when painting with contrast, and for new people understanding what texture is isn't probably the easiest job ever (?), so mentioning that your minis have good and interesting textures, will help you sell your expensiver than gold paints
On the topic of what the other 50% of the newer Stormcast design is: it’s Chaos Warriors. They look like Chaos Warriors. The belts, the feathered cloaks, the chainmail, the weapons wrapped in strips of fabric, the armor plates on the sides of the thighs… it’s all classic Chaos Warrior design elements, smoothed out and given a celestial finish. I’ll eat my hat if they were not a major inspiration behind the Thunderstrike design.
I’m certainly not against this, btw, Chaos Warriors are one of GW’s most beloved and striking classic designs for a reason. They are exactly what I’d go for if asked to create “space marines, but for fantasy.” At this point, most of the original “hoplite space marine” design idea has been removed in favor of “Order Warriors,” and it is probably for the better.
Damn Jay, that Wendigo looks really good
the reasons the gryphhounds look different cuz they are different breeds of the creatures according to the lore in the description
The one with the lord veritant is called a Gryph-crow
Should be a Crowhound surely.
@@boltgunmetal Should be, but as much as i try to defend AoS worldbuilding i cant defend GWs skill with names
I misread that as "Griffcow".🐄
@@euansmith3699 5th edition new stormcast farmers with pitchforks and riding cows
@@euansmith3699 Now i want a Griffcow
4th Edition Box looks awesome.
Great to see I might be painting more Skaven in the future!
Definitely want to see that grass idea done in a video
the models look cool and if I liked the factions better I would maybe get it but nothing will beat the Dino dudes for me , so it looks like they will be my first AOS Army
I think the paintjob hurts the rat ogres I reckon they're a lot cooler than they look.
But the old box is so unbelievably ugly maybe I'm biased.
My faves are the ones that came in the Fantasy Battles Isle of blood box. They're so monopose but just brilliant iconic poses.
16:19 would love to see how you did the Wendigo build/fur/paint there
You mentioned them saying stormcast is all dark and grit and that they’re trying to push the narrative of them losing a bit of themselves each time they die. That’s always been a thing tho…. They’ve always been that way for all stormcast
The ratling Warpblaster as well as the Sniper rats has a big tank of warpstone gas that compresses in the gun into bullets
It is why u also see the snipers having tanks on their back.
so no squirt just boollet
Someone might have already mentioned this, but multi barrel weapons are usually built for heat dissipation, letting the recently fired barrel cool down before having it rotating back around for an other shot. You might be thinking of a revolver handgun when considering rotating recharging, but in those cases you usually have only one barrel. Also I think it's meant to fire Warp-stone instead of ooze, but not quite sure on that point.
I'm suuuuuper excited for this box! Especially the skaven, they've needed these resculpts for a while now
That Skaven Warlock Engineer or whatever REALLY makes me want to paint it. That’s a cool friggin model.
That wendingo is sick! Like that tip for fur!
"It's the launch box and they should cut you a deal" is a wild thing to say when already play warhammer and openly admit you get not a little but alot more than the 40k 10th box...you get the ghb with it. So for 15 bucks more, you get 14 more models 4 terrain pieces and a generals handbook. It gets old hearing 40k players feel like 'My games more popular and if you want me to even look at your game, you have to sell me more than leviathan for 80 bucks, because I deserve it and I play the more popular game.'
Look into AoS more as it sells out of kits and sits out of stock not as much as 40k but it's not far behind.
Yeah I agree with you on his take.. I had to stop watching because it felt so entitled. Like you said it's $15 bucks more than Levi was and we get more models and terrain for Spearhead. Like what else do you want lmao
"aos is the cheap baby game not like my COOL BIG KID WARHAMMER" is the entire energy of that segment of the video and its fuckin insufferable holy shit
The generals handbook is in there too which hasn't been in any of the starter boxes before.
11:00
The liberators are just hallowed knights. Not part of the guys who are on the verge of losing themselves. So the reclusians, veritant, terminus and the guy on the gryph are the ones more close to losing themselves.
I want to say the prosecutors aren’t either but their wings are kind of 50/50
Twitch chat is roasting every GW preview, so it doesn't matter. It's good that pre-recorded reveals allow to have subtitles and they get to the point without pointless chat and pauses between new things. People come to see new shit, not to see two guys chatting between each other.
7:12 the new gryphhound doesn't look like the other gryphhounds, cause it's actually a gryphcrow, which steals souls i think??? it's a totally different thing, trust me
same with the big mounts, where they have gryphhorses, gryphlions, gryph dragons & dragon lions & actual dragons. it's just the same 3 animals remixed
I really like the most recent reveal-show. I wish there was even more conversation with the designers and studio staff, but I really enjoyed it!
Looking to get into Skaven but held off as I knew there would be new models. Glad I did
In Australia- Dominion was about 286.00 - it was 190 as you state for your area. If we go off that and the information you have stated. 260.00 for the prize - so the skaventide box for Australia is likely to be a 400 dollar entry price.
I absolutely love the non-basic new Stormcast. Yndrasta was my first Stormcast model and was stoked to hear the new ones would be more like her. The basic Stormcast have a weird helmet to me, with the pronounced nose, not a big fan of that.
If we get new rattling guns, I’ll have to get a couple for my shelf, they are one of my favorite units in TW3.
Ive been collecting sce since release, i have just about every model in the range outside of the commemorative ones, and I love the new models and sculpts. My dad was collecting skaven for ages but i inherited all of his armies and he genuinely might have had all the skaven models, including a few dozen metal jezzails, so honestly for me around 250 is worth it
'and speaking of coming with a friend'.... Man, I though this video was about to take a very weird turn.
$450 is pure insanity. That’s £240.
Why is it 50% more expensive in Australia?
We have less tax than the UK.
The terrain is there for the Spearhead format, most assuredly. Smaller board, which is included, so the terrain goes a longer way than in full-sized games.
Also, I think they actually made Stormcast Eternals look *more* like Space Marine equivalents with this coming edition, not less.
Given that you get more than two Spearheads worth of models ($140 each), the AoS core rule book ($70), the Spearhead book ($50-$60), 1 sprue terrain ($60), 1 game board ($30), and assorted accessories (cards, measuring sticks, etc...), if you needed at least most of it, it's not a horrible deal (considering GW prices). The rest you could sell below retail to try and make some of your money back. Or go in with someone else and split the cost based on how much of the box each person is getting.
In you're already in the hobby sure, as a pick up & get started box that is quite a step buy-in price. Which could easily be cut down by replacing that weak and massively overpriced terrain by a sheet of cardstock buildings. Then again GW doesn't seem to care about the onboarding of new players anyway..........
Counter argument: the books are incredibly overpriced by themselves.
@@JohnathanJWells Further counterpoint The whole battletome/Codex system is old and tired. Rules should be online and UPDATED FREQUENTLY. That avoids the whole 'codex being out of date before it even launches' crap GW have been doing for years.
No one is going to pay 60 bucks for that terrain sprue.
I do think if you treat this as a spearhead launch box it's nice, you can get right into spearhead. But for an AoS box it's meh
7:22 this fellow looks great for kitbashing
I recently purchased Dominion for a really good price. I have yet to build and paint them. I’m wanting to start a Stormcast Army because I also have an Arena of Shades box set. I’m going to do some research regarding the new Stormcast that are being added and seeing if I can kitbash a proxy for them and paint them up with the new colour scheme.
Man, please I need a video on that tecnique for the wendigo fur, that was way too perfect
The price that people are assuming based on those terms and conditions is about what we should expect based on their past boxes like Dominion. This box has two expensive hardcover books, rule cards, and terrain on top of a slightly bigger model count than Dominion. Add on the recent GW price hike and it’s right what we should expect.
Also it’s two spearhead units plus some extra models for both sides. the price would be worth at a minimum of $240 just on the fact it’s two spearhead units, being $120 a piece based on the pricing of the SCE spearhead box and the cities of sigmar spearhead. Idk seems fair if you consider any of games workshops other prices fair
The Skaven look fantastic. They’re what’s going to move this boxed set.
The Stormcast look like they’re in the box to facilitate a range refresh. The troops look better than the old sculpts, but don’t knock my socks off. The characters have character, but since I’m
Not a huge fan of the faction it’s a bit meh.
I would have loved to seen the wendigo painted up, it's absolutely awesome!
Funny you mention Dominion. I actually just picked up the box a few weeks ago from a 3rd party shop for about $120 CAD after shipping
I found this a little harsh on the “just looks like space marines” point for stormcast. They just…don’t
I feel like you could Make an unique space marine chapter out of these stormcasts
That new Questor is going to be my base for a Kaldor Drago conversion for sure.
GW tried the low cost starter boxes with Battle for Skull Pass and Battle for Macragge.
Those were like 40 euros each, but they didn’t have a full hardcover rulebook.
Skull Pass had over 100 models so it was great value even if most of them were goblins.
Macragge wasted the space with those crashed lander bits.
You could say the newer small starter boxes are kinda same idea.
I can't wait to see someone put a service dog vest on the gryphhound with the blind guy. Maybe this will be the thing to push me into sculpting.
Hey Jay, if you decide to make Drukhari terrain, could you include scatter terrain that replaces the card pieces in Gangs of Commorragh?
I suspect the lower price point would have been difficult with the two books, the Minis are a *lot* cheaper for GW to make, they can throw them in to make the whole package look like a sweater deal.
I would also guess that we will see some lower cost entry points into the game like we saw with the last edition.
The new Stormcast are my jam. Enough to make me excited for AoS.
Would love to see a video of you making some Stormcast into the gritty, haggard veterans barely hanging onto their humanity that the lore makes them out to be.
That little wendigo model you randomly pulled from hod knows where is incredible!
Is it conversion? Or bought from somewhere?
Great video, mate!
Oh, gatling guns rotate barrels for barrel cooling as well as reloading! :)
I haven't seen much of it, but how hard would it be to kitbash Stormiest Eternals to a custom not so codex compliant Space Marines chapter? Or Custodes?
The leagues of votann has the best hero rocks!
I also prefer the skaven models. I really like the new clanrats, you can really tell the departure from the old rank and file poses.
First box ever to get me excited for age of Sigmar, the new skaven looks awesome!
The terrain in the box is included to play Spearhead, not full AOS persay
In regards to the texture on the SCE they were referring to the paint jobs to make them look more worn from long service, not the sculpts
Loved the Dexter’s diner reference 😂😂
Side note, the editing in the video was excellent with all the pictures lining up. I really appreciate the compare and contrast here on mobile
Love your videos Jay ! You got me in WH40K Combat Patrol (well painting Combat Patrols :) ). Just found a deal for brand new Dominion box for like 125$. Would that be worth it or are the Stormcasters changing too much ? Wouldn't play in stores or tournaments, well not for a while.
I don’t actually mind this box set. My mind is conflicting two try and play which Wargaming. And. Somehow. The trailer of Sigmar Lies, really gave me a perspective of seeing the Stormcasts being reforged with the cost. As such, the revamp of the Skaven. The mass numbers, the Yes-Yes, the jazzlock magepunk-steampunk rule of cool.
I was annoyed at first by the stormcast squats but if you look through the codex for them there is so much redudancy in 3rd eidtion. It's a good idea to narrow those options down instead of having 3 different units who all have hammers on foot. It's what they should've down with Space Marines this edition.
Jay cant wrap his head around the fact that space marines being influenced by medieval aesthetics means that the literal medieval fantasy knights are gonna also be medieval knights lmao
I just got back into Miniature painting and Warhammer stuff after moving to Tokyo and leaving my stuff behind in Germany. So since I was into 40k I thought it's cool to go more into AoS since I also saw a new edition coming out soon and got a box of the regular dudes from Seraphon. That pricetag for this box is insane if it's true. I also think it would be better to keep this box on a lower end ( yeah maybe make a loss ) but get people into it make them buy then more stuff afterwards. Colors, more miniatures etc.
I just dropped a few hundred to get all the tools and colors again -.- now this box is so much?
Scaven eotch. Thanks gents!! Fantastic as always!!!
260$ ? Congrats GW, your starter boxes are officially more expensive than a budget 3d printer
Your fur idea---definitely stealing that. It looks amazing!
Hey do you have a time stamp for that? I missed it but need help removing grpyh armour and making fur/feathers
@@Willabrador 16.15
Thank you :)
Do you have a video showing your process with the static grass?
Reclusians have two handed axes and Praetors have halberds so there is the difference there, but I do think they are very similar and wish they made them a tad different
Great video! I’m wanting to get more into AOS with Spearhead, but I’m afraid that the vanguard boxes will be fully changed with the spearhead name change..has there been any word on that? I’d get a non-storm cast starter, but that ain’t happening.
just say it, the storm cast are just fantasy space marines
That griffinhound rider... i need his axe for my Harald Deathwolf
So the price point is not only two armies the core book and the spearhead board/terrian/rule cards. But you also get the Generals hand book which is for competitive play right at the start of the edition. Am I defending the price point? No it’s pretty high but you do get your moneys worth compared to last edition since the GHB was later on and like $40-$50? (It’s been a minute since I played) so it’s nice it’s in the launch box.
I love all the characters of the stormcast so I will probably try just get them and convert them to SOMETHING in 40K (not sure what yet!) and I think the axe guys might have to be used for some of SoB crusaders or something
I'm excited for the new box because I'm a Skaven fan. For the new mounted Sigmarine, I think it would look better with some wings and a Bretonnian head. Seriously though, I am excited about Spearheads because Combat Patrols are what we seem to play the most for 40k.
Every time I see the little humans that go with the Reclusians reminds me of History of the World's "Remember, thou art mortal."
@8:20 lifting your leg even just a little bit helps a lot of the blood that has pooled in your legs to flow back to your heart. Trust me, when you've been standing for a few hours, or walking for a few hours carrying heavy packs, the best thing in the world is to put one of your legs on a thing on the ground to get the blood flowing away from your legs.
I just finsh building a model with a foot up on a brick. Now I have to go back and cut it out because you made it look silly :)
Anyone considered that the tactical rock is actually part of the armour? Like it just goes with them wherever they walk so when they stop they are always standing in an epic pose?
Knight Questor looks like the Emperor (Rogue Trader era).
Getting that box asap!
It's also (probably) 210€, which is absolute insane. I hope, the raffle price pricing incudes some junk at like 30€, so the launch box is not more than 180€, which would also be a lot, but not the same insanity like 210€.
The Lord Terminos is going to make a great Black Templar conversion
Buckbeak was a Hippogriff.