HOW SPECIAL WAS JOE CALZAGHE? | Kessler, Roy Jones Jr, Hopkins Fights | Enzo Calzaghe | Episode #49
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- From one Welsh world champion to another, former WBO super featherweight world champion Barry Jones reflects on the career of the great Joe Calzaghe.
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Joe is one of the best British fighters ever to be produced. Pure quality, he doesn’t seem to get the love from the casual fans but most fight fans will have him right up there.
Yeah roy jones was ancient, he was three years older than joe, don’t try and pretend that it was an old fighter against some young gun, any fighter would have had a very tough night against joe ask lacy.
Roy had put himself through so much more earning titles calzaghe could even dream of.
Age and prime aren’t mutually inclusive! The fact Roy Jones was older than Calzaghe is beside the point!
Why did Calzaghe wait till 2008 to travel to the US for a big fight? I know our passport office was slow back then..but how long was his application delayed?
Shall we look at all the fighters he could have fought?
@@its_rick_james_bich2575 So, why didn't Roy Jones travel to the UK ?? Why didn't Hopkins ? a fight at Cardiff against Calzaghe covered by ESPN & SKY would have been as big a fight (if not bigger) than in the US ....works both ways. Did RJJ even have a passport ??
Truth is (look it up, easy to find quotes & referances on google & TY) Roy Jones was offered the Calzaghe fight when Joe was SMW Champ, but Jones turned it down because he said the money offered for the fight it wasn't worth the risk fighting Calzaghe. Years later when Joe was undisputed & held all the belts, Jones Jr decided the risk was now worth it, for all the belts & obviously the money offered was a lot more as Calzaghe was now a much bigger name in the States. Hopkins was also offered the fight with Calzaghe , but asked for stupid money that no one was going to pay, priced himself out of the fight, wonder why ?? Again in time the money increased so like Jones, Hopkins finally took the risk & like Jones lost to Calzaghe.
As for your last sentence, in boxing ....shall we look at all the fighters every fighter 'should' have fought ! Many obvious & desired fights are never made, for lots of reasons, it's just boxing.
Best welsh boxer ever and probably the best British fighter too.
Wayne lad he is the best European fighter of all time
Best italian boxer from British shores...
I really can't think of anybody in any weight division, in any era, from any country that has a record and a resume like Joe's. Best of all time for me.
@@andywyatt5323 love Joe but not sure about that probably of what we consider 'modern times' along with Lennox and maybe the brilliant Buchanan. But historically real competition from Cerdan, Fitzsimmons and probably the greatest of them all, another Welshman in Jimmy Wilde, the ghost with the hammer in his hand ended up with a record of 131 fights 3 losses and one draw, went undefeated for his first 103 fights (Fk Mayweather's 49) and unbelievably 98 wins by KO which for a flyweight is simply unimaginable. Considered by Ring Magazine, the bible of boxing as the greatest flyweight in history and the 3rd best puncher who ever lived. He would be my number 1 with Calzaghe and Lennox close at number 2 (tough to split them)
As an Englishman (with a Welsh grandfather) I can really only offer Lennox Lewis as competition for best British fighter, I loved Joe and all this crap about only fighting at home, he was the champion, that's what the champion does - if you want the title you go to his back yard and take it, that's always been the case but they somehow use it against Joe.
Calzaghe was one of the hardest fighters to get the better of in a 12 round fight. Iron chin, marathon runner stamina and those clusters of shots that were a product of his father's off the cuff training style that worked almost exclusively for him. Sadly, he spent too many years under FW being paid decent money for underwhelming opponents that he dominated and this I think is why Joe was largely forgotten in retirement as he doesn't have the dramatic moments nor the volume of quality opponents despite being one of the best the UK ever produced.
Iron Chin, Don't me laugh. He chose to stay with warren coz he kept him undefeated, Robin Reid fight should of been a draw. Sorry never call someone the greatest who never had a trilogy or a rematch. Fighting firemen ffs and fighters with no amateur record. Don't blame warren he could've left him years ago but wouldn't get his way in the US
. Kessler, Reid were good fights
.. sorry lacy was a bully but got hit by Joe with the palm of his gloves all night. Didn't buy the Jones fight coz I was sick of seeing a bankrupt legend being knocked out, oh wait..he mocked Jones all night, what was that all about??? Jones even put him on his arse, funny how he fought him then.
@@derekoshaughnessy9809 Sorry, you don't decide who is great and who isnt and that pile of utter mince isn't going to change my mind. All personal bias and inaccuracies. Away with your bitter jealousy.
@@LVDSport Never said I did, but I have an opinion and I'm an opinionated person who says how feels. Joe's a good fighter but could but wouldn't put his money where his mouth was. He was too proud to risk a loss and USA Wouldn't of let that style slide, look at Hatton v Floyd ended up lundging at Floyd and Ricky got check hooked. Had no business at welterweight, Louis Collazzo nearly stopped him before Floyd's fight.
@@derekoshaughnessy9809 You literally wrote (not said, as you wrote in your reply) "sorry never call someone the greatest who never had a trilogy". So, you are wrong again there.
The rest is conjecture on your behalf. Your beloved Mayweather himself has referred to Calzaghe as a great fighter in the past.
How many British fighters have been has high as Calzaghe in the P4p lists? Not many, which again shows how wrong you are, old button.
How many fighters since WWII have won 3 consecutive ABA/National titles at 3 successive weights in 3 consecutive years? I believe he is the only one. You mug him off, but he was quality.
I'm not even a fan of Calzaghe but I admire just how difficult it was to beat him.
It amazes me how uneducated some yanks are well it doesn't but how bitter they can be and so ignorant of pure historical facts . Go to any list for supermiddleweights and you see Joe tops most if not all and yes above Andre ward . I can think this bitterness stems from the fact he beat their beloved Jones Jr and Hopkins they cant stand it so use every excuse possible but then forget that Roy Jones was on a winning streak going into that fight with a win over Felix Trinidad and Hopkins would win a world title after losing to Joe not bad for a bunch of washed up fighters and let's also forget that calzagjes hand were shot and he was forced to retire after these bouts, let's forget that tho let's pretend Joe was in his prime eh😂
Joe was such an inspiration to me as a kid! I used to sit there watching Joe fight and sit there in awe!
... he slaps... well the truth is if he slaps, he slaps hard!
Also people forget joe was in agony with his hands for about 4 years! No boxers would do that these days! A true great!
Barry Jones you are the finest boxing pundit in Britain. Love listening to Barry, the man knows his boxing. Great at describing a fight and a fighter. A little self deprecating with wonderful humour.
What gets me is even though Joe never lost a fight Google search will not recognize Joe cazaughe even equal to Rocky Marciano because Joe is not even mentioned in the articles.
I suspect this is partly because Joe was not from the United States and managers when building a champion they don't want someone to mess it up from a hard hitter like Joe.
Spot on
Why would he be equal to rocky? Rocky won the belt and remained undefeated when there was just one belt. And held it quite a while. Joe held the unofficial wbo for like 11 years and briefly got hold of the others then ditched them. It's in no way comparable
Joe is britains greatest ever boxer. Period
Joe never fought Hopkins in his prime which for me was when he fought Tito…. But regardless of that, how do you deal with the pressure and punches of Calzaghe….. I’m not certain at any point that anyone would of beat Joe….. he proved every time he stepped in the ring regardless of opponent that he was world class….. he always found the answer not perfect but an absolute warrior!!!!’
Jeff Lacey will always be a fighter that never made it but nobody thought Calzaghe was the same league but proved he was one above and then showed Kessler the same level… All the time with shattered hands…. Let’s not dispute how good he was let’s just agree he’s a special talent 👍
@@mickdomingo7276 I agree mate, there will always be unanswered questions though as there was some great fights that could of been made but that’s boxing and still happens today…. The best don’t always fights the best !!
BHop was an oddity who peaked in his 40s. Before Joe he'd just beaten Trinidad and Jermaine Taylor and a year after losing to Joe he beat the up coming Kelli Pavlick. And many years later at the age of 48 he won the WBA light middleweight title and I think it was the WBC title at 49. So it's arguable he did beat a prime Hopkins.
Light heavyweight
@@soltaylor685 he never beat Jermaine Taylor
Pressure and punches? Reid got him down to a out 15 punches per round. Seems as the class went up, his punches slowed down. Unless they were 44 of course
Has to be at the top of the list I reckon ... i literally saw him beat someone with a broken hand for about ten rounds !!! Very underrated for those who dont know
That would have been Evans Ashira
Greatest British fighter of all time Calzaghe 46 and 0 also enzo was a very unique trainer as a dad. until fury retires then he may take the No1 spot off joe Enzo had a great stable obviously Joe calzaghe he had enzo mac gavin rees gary lockett bradley price i think he had Nathan cleverly aswell Enzo was a very underrated trainer R.i.p enzo sadly missed by everyone thanks for giving us a legend like joe calzaghe the best fighter to come out of wales and Britain in my opinion ❤
Calzaghe is the best British fighter of all time not one off he is number 1 be good to see him woop Canelo because tbh he would of
He would def have provided Canelo a totally different proposition!
the only reason joe slapped was because of the broken hands and wrists. he had a lot more power before this.
National treasure fo sho ..Joe is the best to do it never lost a pro king of kings
In answer to the title Calzaghe was one of the most protected fighters in Britain an example is after Robin Reid battered him his promoter put him in with Tucker Pudwill instead of re matching Reid and as for ducking Carl Froch and going to America to fight old men and claiming greatness well its just embarrassing but fair play to his promoter for protecting his golden goose.
Reid didn’t outbox him though. Low blows and tear ups is bare knuckle level and that was where Reid had to go to stand a chance - and still lose.
Froch would have lost to Calzaghe worse than he did to Ward. Jones was protected. Fighting mailmen and public servants for years.🤦♂️
Joe is the legend of my life , like haggler , two guys who i shall never stop looking up to. I just want to meet Joe one day and shake his hand , it would make my life.
I've read Joe's book he is down to earth guy no nasty ego like Aj
Joe also offered froch to fight twice but froch refused saying he was out off contract and asked when joe was moving up a weight lol
this is bull, carl was up and coming, and joe decided to fight his last 2 fights against 2 big names, frank warren is full of sh1t, joe even said this himself, he wanted 2 big names before ge retired, joe vacated
@@pb954618c lol
I dont think any of us entertain the idea of Pavlik Vs Calzaghe... that would be the massacre of massacres.
Welsh Icon ..Welsh legend ...Thanks for all the memories Joe ..
National treasure fo sho ..Joe is the best to do it never lost a pro king of kings
he was a special talent and seems very down to earth and avoided nobody
Really?
@@DavidTaylor-CCC yes
He pulled out against Glenn Johnson on two separate occasions. Go and look at the articles from the time. Hbo called him no show Joe 😆
I believe Joe’s father, Enzo, deserves 90% of the credit for Joe’s success.
My favorite fighter ever
Always great value to listen to is Barry Jones.
Love listening to Barry talk boxing
Oh, Joe is a force of nature! For me, he was the best!
I was over in London in 2006 and my Brother in Law had mentioned JC name many an time,but my first full viewing was the Jeff Lacey fight..And he was no 'Mug' from the U.S and that was the finest display of 'Prizefighting skills' i had seen in yrs..And the late great Training Legend Emanuel Steward also said it was some of the best displays of Boxing skills& Ring generalship he had seen in yrs.
And i remember he was saying this frm about Rnd 5,but he naturally assumed Joe would slow down,but he didn't,he started to move up& down through his gears!..( And he had seen & trained some great fighters)
Kessler was great, Kessler was winning. But Kessler was not adaptive, Joe was adaptive and Joe won. Unfortunately Kessler is only a legend in Denmark, Joe is a legend in the world
Who else clicked on this because they thought that was Joe Rogan.
Overrated
Now they ask that question? That's journalists for you!
The Welsh dragon!!
The only person i would pick to beat Joe since he retired would be Ward, and i'm not 100 sure about that. Joe would beat every 168 fighter since himself aside from Ward
Sorry but Joe was a good boxer but unfortunately could not punch , slapper and clinched a lot , boring to watch .
Yet got 46.0 sure your not Carl frochs cousin?
Your the only person I have ever heard say he was boring to watch
Loved it😅
Super Joe calzague
With the Jones fite, Jones was way passed his prime. If he fought a prime Jones, he would lose.
Yawn he fought him when he fought him and you, I and nobody can say for certain who would've won so will it ever be anything but conjecture?
Try focus your energy on future fights vs. improvable fantasy
@@sjay7292 it was pretty clear after Jones lost to Tarver the first time, he wasn't the same fighter. Jones was getting KO a lot and by the time he fought Calzaghe he was shot. However, Calzaghe's fite with Hopkins was better and close. But greatest boxer or British boxer ever? Nah. Not even close.
@@wo7925 that's true and agree. I agree he was passed his best. I have no way of agreeing or otherwise he would've beaten Joe earlier (in the same way we don't know if Jones in Calzaghes era would've trained the same, boxed the same or even ended up in the boxing gym at all.
It's a meaningless chat - you can only measure up a past boxer against who they fought.
Maybe if Xerox launched the first graphical user interface PC they designed (that Apple copied) Xerox would've been world's largest company now. They didn't, so does anyone care?
Not me
@@sjay7292 Prime RJJ would run through prime Calzaghe
@@TimmyTurner421 I'll leave you to debate it ad infinitum - enjoy!
great fighter but his resume does not stack up to the greats kessler and lacy were the only top fighters he fought in there prime waited for jones and hopkins to get old and imo lost to robin reid but joes skills were off the charts so good to watch and the kessler win proved he was elite but one of greatest of all time not a chance for me avoided some big fights with fighters in there prime but i have to add the lacy performance was one of the best ive ever seen and yes hopkins still had plenty left but you get my point
Joe fought bum after bum. He’ll never be a great. Was too afraid of losing his 0.
You could live a thousand life times and Joe would NEVER in any of them beat a prime Roy Jones Jr
Most overrated fighter of all time for me. Kessler and Lacy were good wins against peak fighters. Eubank was at the end & took the fight with a few days notice. I think he lost to reid. Jones was nearly 40 & had a few bad KO defeats. Hopkins was 43 irrespective he won a world title after the fight he still wasn’t prime & still give Calzaghe an SD. Yeah every fighter gets people who are past it but calzaghes record was massively padded & he was massively protected for me.
Is this Froch's burner account
All facts though my friend. Eubank even had to drop a weight division to fight ordinary Joe as he was scheduled to box at light heavyweight.
Calzaghe was 36 only four years 😂 going on like 20 years difference
4 years for Jones & 7 years for Hopkins. I’m not debating the age difference (which can still make a difference) but wins against a 40 year old Jones & 43 year old Hopkins doesn’t hold the weight it would beating s 30 year old Jones or a 33 year old Hopkins & it feels like Calzaghe is judged on beating prime Jones & Hopkins. Jones was probably shot in his early 30s & Hopkins lost it a little later at 40 when he lost twice to Jermaine T however wasn’t as shot at 43 as Jones was at 40 (probably due to styles/life style)
Prime Roy Jones may possibly be the best boxer ever. Joe never fought him in his prime
Sugar Ray, go back in the archives and see what a fighting man he was !!!!
@@terryduckworth5105 which one Sugar Ray Leonard or Robinson, (both legends) but I ask because if its Leonard you mean ,then I know a even though a lot of the US boxing people cuss or at least did cuss and discount Calzaghe (a lot of them have admitted a bit more that he was actually good, now as time goes on),
But they would never admit it for years but did you know though that from the first time he saw Joe fight ,Sugar Ray was actually one of Calzaghes biggest fans amongst boxers, analysts and other people in the business , and defended Joe against a lot of people who didn't like or understand Calzaghes style, saying he would have had a problem fighting him, because he recognised in him some of what he had once in himself,
(Now maybe he was just being nice but he was very complimentary about Calzaghes especially when compared to other people who have been given g.o.a.t status for doing less 🙄💨 Ward
Because if you aren't American then some people still won't believe or admit some things 🤷 🤔 ,
I have seen Sugar Ray numerous times praising Joe Calzaghe, and likewise the other way around I have seen Joe say a lot of times that one of his favourite boxers is Sugar Ray Leonard as well you are right as well he was one of the baddest men ever and came out on top of one of , if not the greatest triangles in boxing history between himself, Marvin Hagler and Tommy Hearns💯😎✌👊
@@davidwatkins8395 I was talking about Robinson 🤷♂️
@@davidwatkins8395 I don't think the American pundits liked Joes slapping style . But if he had broken his hands repeatedly then it just makes Joe even more special that he managed to win with both his hands damaged which are a fighters weapons
Joe wasn't in his prime, his hands had been broken and mangled 3 or 4 times. He admitted himself he couldn't punch anymore!
Stop being jealous of joe 😂
What a fool this fella is
Why?
Calzaghe was the best British boxer, without any doubt
He would not beat a prime Jones at super middle, no
Who knows calzaghe done to roy what roy did to others . Swear to god Carl the crotch froch must have 11teen UA-cam accounts 😂