I think these types of videos are very helpful to the average hiker/backpacker who might only spend a limited amount of time actually camping. I hope you also cover clothing, which I personally think is the biggest ripoff in the outdoor market. I regularly use items I wear running, skiing or to the gym on hikes. Maybe talk about duel purpose items. Great video and thank you.
Dual purpose video would be interesting, I agree! I have a button up sunshirt that I wear as part of my normal casual wear when I know I’ll be outside in the sun and too lazy to put on sunscreen, or if I have new arm tattoos and I can’t put sunscreen on them yet. It’d be cool to see which items he uses that falls in the middle part of the “items for hiking/backpacking vs everyday/casual use” Venn diagram.
Glad to hear it! Yeah I think the majority of people who like backpacking only spend a few nights per year on trips. So to spend crazy amounts of money just isn't necessary. I do plan on expanding this to a bit of a series, so covering apparel is a great idea!
Yes! While I can see the value in certain hiking specific articles of clothing, it’s an area where you can save a ton of money!! I just realized as I pack for a 6 day backpacking trip that all of my clothing, with the exception of my shoes and insulating layers, is from Costco 😂 Unintentionally, but still haha I look like I’m sponsored by Costco!
I think this is a great video concept. I would love to see this as a competition against some other hiking youtubers to see who comes up with the best $500 setup.
I've used that amazon stove for 2 years on several trips. Never fails. Sometimes when removing it from the canister the parts can become loose. Remember to tighten it all up before using it the next time... 🔥
That's a little bit horrifying. I read a wonderful piece of advice regarding silversmithing torches- don't go 'cheap' on the knock-off Smith Little Torch- you're working with highly flammable, compressed gas, and you don't want a seal that can't handle the heat, or a leak in a join which could easily maim or kill you. Camping stoves are just like little torches. Of course, all equipment must be maintained properly, but the issue you describe sounds potentially very dangerous. That 12 dollar stove could end up being the 5,000 stove when it maims someone.
I’ve been using this same stove for years as well and never had an issue. Once apon a time someone got me a camping French press which is way too much to carry for long hikes so I took out all the coffee pressing parts and use the cup with the stove and it works great. Also I found that the stand for the gas container made by jet boil was a nice addition! Love your channel!
My buddy had that Amazon stove and it failed on us on an overnight backpacking trip in Yosemite, and started shooting flames 4 feet into the air. Somehow he managed to shut it off without burning himself or starting a forest fire - but it was really scary. I definitely agree you’re better off sticking to trusted brands on stoves. And it’s not like name brand stoves are that expensive - I just checked on Amazon and the Snow Peak stove I’ve been using for 10+ years still costs less than $50.
The push disc for the tent stakes it's kind of an interesting thing because the channel "MyLifeOutdoors" had a camping hack where he uses half inch PVC pipe caps to push his tent stakes in so it doesn't hurt his hand and I do the same thing because it works fantastic!
I’ve been using a plastic bottle cap with regular diameter and a bit smaller height for the same purpose to push in or step on a stake. And when not in active use, I put it facing down at the bottom of my stakes stuff sack, where it protects it and the rest of the gear from the tips of 5-6 stakes. It weighs almost nothing, costs nothing, and should I ever lose it I can replace that in just about any store or back at home. Very useful.
I have that Hyke and Byke tent, but have since upgraded to a lighter tent. I use the Hyke and Byke stakes for my new tent, and I will never not carry that stake pusher. It's great.
FINALLY! A video about true budget gear. Too often, backpacking youtubers show a "budget" option that is still about twice the price most people would want to pay.
I appreciate that you said LMNT is just the best choice for you. I'm a liquid IV person because I tend to have blood sugar issues and need the sugar. All of our bodies are different, and I appreciate that you acknowledged that!
I've heard great things about the Naturehike Cloud Up series of tents. They are reportedly a lot lighter and storm worthy, for only a little more money than the one in this video. If I were just starting out that's probably what I'd go with. Add a $10 closed cell foam pad to the Klymit air mattress and you have a bit more comfort and a lot more warmth. I'm pretty impressed with the AOTU stove. I do miss not having a piezo igniter on my BRS burner.
The nature hike cloud up 2 person is the tent I’ve been looking at! Would love to see that reviewed along with some gear from Ozark trail. Walmart is accessible for lots of folk so it would be great to see more gear featured from them
I haven't used any Naturehike products myself, but I'm a park ranger and I used to be stationed on a remote island (backpacking access only). Someone showed up to the ranger station early in the season with a Naturehike tent (Star River maybe?) that they'd found abandoned in the backcountry, so it'd been out at least since last season. It was muddy so I set it up and hosed it off, but it was in fantastic shape and totally intact after sitting outside for close to a year. It was also pretty compact and lightweight. We kept it as a spare for people who have gear disasters but it really seemed like a great tent! Definitely piqued my interest!
My cloud up 2 is 4 or 5 years old and its still in great shape. Decently light at 1650 grams(no ground sheet). It can take a reasonable amount of wind but it needs all the guy lines. If used as a 2 person tent you better like the other person lol. I would say its the same build quality as my msr elixir 3 or better. If you like the design i would have no problem recomending one.
As for luxury items, I would say for a reasonably priced camping chair check out the Naturehike YL08 Ultralight Camping Chair. Coming in at 2.1 lbs and currently $39.99 (normally $49.99), I would say it's just as comfortable as a lot of the more expensive chairs. I love mine. I pair it with the NACETURE Ultralight Backpacking Table for just 1.8 lbs extra and only $29.99. I just ditch the mesh basket underneath it. I love that I can cook on it, keep my food and drinks off the ground, and overall give camp that more cozy feeling.
Also, as far as stoves go, the CAMPINGMOON Compact Foldable Stove w/Micro Regulator on Amazon is $36 and is literally the same as the Soto Windmaster (a $70 stove). Same removable pot supports, and fits in my 750ml Toak with my gas canister. It also boils water super quick. Also, one feature the Campingmoon stove has the windmaster doesn't is the ability to also burn propane if you pick up the adaptor.
Weights of all the gear and a total pack weight comparison against your normal pack would have been nice for context.. I've had several of those little stoves for years, and they are bullet proof.
Used a Klymit insulated pad for about 4 years. It’s no Nemo Tensor. But as a side sleeper I never had any issues with hips hitting the ground. Upsides of that pad is durability. The R rating is half what it says it is. The weight isn’t brutal. Price is half of Thermarest and Nemo.
+1 for the insulated Klymit pad. For the price it's surprisingly comfortable and the insulation is definitely an improvement over the model in this video.
Nice. I had always associated Klymit as a kind of gimmicky brand. But after using it here it seems like they at least have some decent gear and I definitely think better of them now.
@eric_hanson I've seen a UA-camr analyze insulation ratings of different sleep pads and found the insulated Klymit was less insulated than the advertised R value. I live in Texas and mostly hammock camp, so can't attest to taking it close to freezing or below.
I also like my insulated Klymit pad. Of course there are other more expensive and more comfortable options out there, but as a side sleeper I find it very comfortable. If I want it to be extra comfy I’ll put my thermarest foam underneath, but on its own it’s a pretty good budget option in my opinion.
Man, I have the v2 version and while I can't knock the tiny size it packs down to, I was literally more comfortable even side sleeping when I just brought an Amazon Basics 1/2 inch yoga mat instead. Something about the Klymit just does not work for me
I have two of those cheap stoves and, for the most part, they're great. However, there was one notable occasion when it simply did not work. I was at 14,000 feet, roughly a mile from the summit of Mt. Whitney on a day hike with daughter and her boyfriend. My daughter's boyfriend was really feeling the altitude and we thought it would help if he got some "real" food so I broke out the stove and a pre-packaged dehydrated meal from REI. The stove absolutely would not light not matter what I did; I could hear the gas coming through, but the piezo-electric component didn't ignite the gas. I thought it was broken and was about to give up on it, but a passing hiker was passing by and I offered to buy any spare lighter or matches. They handed over a couple matches free of charge and that did it. The next day, after hitting the summit and doing the 4 hour drive back to southern California from the trailhead, I was putting away my gear when I decided to try the stove one more time before tossing it out. It lit the first time and every time. Maybe it was the alititude. In either case, I should have had matches as a backup near the summit instead of a twin of that same piezo-electric stove. Now I carry two different ignition sources.
ISO butane, the little canisters the stoves use don’t shine well at high altitudes or sub zero temps. That’s why the Everest climbers are using liquid white gas fuel with msr style stoves
I am a regular viewer and really enjoyed the focus on budget gear reviews. Would like to see you do more of these moving forward. Also can you tell me what spork you were using?
@@eric_hansonThanks for showing the UCO some love! I've used it for years, and it doesn't get nearly enough credit! I also carry it when I travel for work. It's so versatile!
Hey Eric, this was fascinating. We all know you are a pro backpacker; I think seeing you work out your process and, dare I say, struggle a bit, had a lot of upside. Working to stay positive and learn from purchases is so valuable. Your perspective is so great for a new backpacker. Seems like you could do more versions of this video with other low price gear.
I've used named brand gear but started slowly using affordable gear. Nature Hike makes fairly lightweight affordable tents like the Cloup Up, Mongar and Star River. Hyke ang Byke makes affordable and good sleeping bags. Soto Amicus stove and pot from REI is good deal. I recommend investing in a good quality backpack from named brands like REI, Osprey or Gregory. It will last forever. Paria Outdoors have good sleeping bags and pads. Sawyer water filter are best. Don't recommend CNOC as overtime you'll have small pinch holes that you can't patch. Platypus bags will last much longer.
This was a great video. When I first started in 2017 at 53, I wasn’t sure if I’d like backpacking or not so I purchased many same and similar and as you did and made it work for about the same packaged price. Not the Klymit, I bought, slept on and returned and opted for an off brand Amazon something else. I bought and used the hike and bike tent for years for both backpacking and car camping. I liked that it included everything for one low price. It IS heavy, but I will have to say that it held up to a severe wind storm in mammoth one year and also snow, rain, etc. i would high,y recommend over a Walmart or big 5 “backpacking” tent. In my budget set up I also bought the trekology pillow that I still own a version of today and I also highly recommend the trail buddy hiking poles. I’m 1000’s of dollars into it now, but since 2017 and thousands of miles, my BRS stove, pillow, sawyer squeeze, toaks pot, nitecore headlamp, anker charger, trail buddy poles and tyvek groundsheet are all perfectly functioning. That said, I’ve gone through 3 thermorest neoair xlites and am searching for an alternative before I embark, a BIG deal to me, on the John Muir Trail in a few weeks. That’s the only piece of gear that I am worried about. Am seriously considering a zen Bivey mattress as I have the “bed.” Of course Now they have the UL bed, aggg, more $$$ for me. It never ends. Long post, sorry, but it would be great for us all if you did the same with clothing, poles, etc.? Backpack accessories like water bottle holders or Fanny packs and Socks? Thanks!
I started backpacking years ago with a super-budget list that was almost entirely picked up from Wal-Mart (I think I brought it up when you did this same thing with that idea in an earlier video). I upgraded from most of that to budget options that I found on Amazon, some of which you show here. My wife just recently went out with me for her first backpacking trip and loved it, so we'll probably be upgrading slowly to lighter, more comfortable, and more expensive options as we continue in the future. Here's a one better option from my (and now my wife's) experience with budget-friendly gear. The Trekology UL80 Inflatable Sleeping Pad. it's 4 inches thick, so I never feel the ground when I'm on it. It's comfortable enough that my wife was able to get a good night's sleep on it. I bought a second one for her before her first outing, and she didn't even mention it as something to upgrade in the future.
I tried out the River Country One Person Trekking Pole Tent four years ago. Since the purchase it’s been on roughly 20+ trips in rain, snow and even some light hail with no issues. The cost was $50. A great tent.
What a great video! I’m planning a short backpacking trip with my daughter, and it makes a lot of sense not to go crazy buying $$$$ equipment before you know that you want to do more than day hikes. Thank you! And, the comments from seasoned backpackers are helpful, too.
I used that stove for 10+ years and it absolutely just worked. Never had a problem starting and it just keeps working. I retired it this year to finally upgrade to the jetboil but didn’t really need to.
I've been using it for about 5 years, and my brother used it for about 5 years before that. It's so simple that it doesn't have much that can fail. And so functional that I've had a hard time thinking about spending money for something else.
Decathlon is definitely one of my go-to brands when I'm looking for quality gear on a good budget. My backpacking loadout currently includes one of their 20⁰ mummy bags, a sleeping mat, their 50L pack, a chair, and trekking poles. Great stuff for the money and reasonably light weight!
Featherstone and Nature hike definitely have some phenomenal tents for a similar price range but significantly lighter. The architecture of that tent definitely seemed like a car camping tent trying it's best to be a backpacking tent.
My FIL picked up an AMPEX 1-person backpacking tent at Walmart on clearance for $35. Min trail wt is 2lbs 4.6oz, all in it’s 3lbs 1.4oz (but it’s easy to ditch 6-8oz). Just for fun, I set it up yesterday and there are some things about it that remind me of the MSR Hubba - the shape, weight, and some of the set up. The guy lines were really short, but overall I was really impressed for the price. Granted that was the clearance price and not the original price.
A fun experiment would be to check out discounter-hiking/camping equipment. In Germany Aldi and Lidl and a few others often have special offerings when the festival season starts, then you can get cheap tents, sleepingpads, sleepinbags or hammoks (and some other stuff) and for someone who is still testing the waters this could be a good addition in some cases. My 3 season sleeping bag is now 15 years old and still one of the best sleepingbags I have been sleeping in so far.
While I dislike Amazon as an entity, I do like this video. Thank you! I’ve been building my first backpacking kit over the last few months (mostly buying stuff on sale, or secondhand), and going on my first trip soon :D building a kit isn’t cheap, and it’s great to see recommendations/insights into less expensive options.
Totally agree with your take. Gear re-sellers and online marketplaces might be a better fit for you. You've got to be scrappy enough to know what you're looking for, but giving gear a second life is totally worth the inconvenience.
I agree that a $160 tent would be better. I remember hiking my first trip with a Hyke & Byke tent. I could have saved so 3+ pounds by getting a Lanshan 1 or 2 person trekking pole tent.
The klymit pad is shockingly comfortable for how thin it is. Their baffles do a crazy good job of relieving pressure points. I got their UL version secondhand for under $10 and it’s only 12 oz. 10/10 for a starter pad in the summer
My kids use the hike and bike tent. They split carry to lighten up the load. They also use the Paria Outdoors Inflatable Mattress which they sleep very comfortably on.
I'm a two person tent camper myself, but I'm not sure I would have done it in that situation. The naturehike cloud up single person goes for about 100 and weighs 3.3 lbs with a 4.5 star rating. Pack looks nice.
Would love to see you create some more videos on money conscious finds. I'd suggest trying some Naturehike tents like the Cloud up 2! The 20D version is a great tent to start out with or the Lanshan 2s! I love your presence on the screen and would like to see your takes on tents that there's more of a chance I could afford haha
I’ve been using the Hydroblu Versaflow Water filter for a few years ($22.95). Works good. Flow rate almost as good as the Squeeze, which I used to use.
With 2-2L cnoc water reservoir bags, makes for a great gravity feed system, set it up & walk away on other camp chores, like pre-digging a cat hole b4 u need it 😝
The aotu stove is great, I've had mine for like 5 years now and haven't had a problem with it. I honestly like it more than every other stove that I've tried.
I’ve really only used budget gear for the last 5 years (except for my Big Agnes sleeping pad) and I’ve never had a bad time. I also get previous year models (like my Mountainsmith Scream 55 I got for $88) don’t have to break the bank to have fun in the back country
@@eric_hanson granted, if I backpacked as much as you and in the conditions you do, I’d go for the trial worthy more expensive gear for peace of mind alone! Happy trails Eric! Thanks for all you do
My first tent was that exact tent - the Hyke&Bike 2P tent. I took it on my first trip. I knew nothing about weight and bought it for the price. Yeah, it was heavy and I eventually swapped it out. I got the 1P version and used that a few times on my trips. I use them now for car camping but they are still one of my favorite tents. They have been thru many storms with no issues. Thank you for the great gear tips!
Paria Outdoors tents are good tents that won't break the bank, they're around 150+ US. I have the Zion 1P which takes care of me in heavy rain and winds without a problem. Good video Eric!
Thank you so much for this video. I've been stocking up some new gear and you actually had a couple of the items. I think Amazon is a great source but Don't Overlook Good Sales!! I think that should be stressed to some people. I wouldn't trade my Goosenest I picked up from REI for $130. Love you, Love your Channel!!
I love the Bogler trowel!! I bought one last year before my first solo backpacking trip because I realized I didn't own a trowel and I needed something I could get quickly (my local backpacking store didn't sell trowels). Since it's on Amazon it's marvelously accessible - super fast prime delivery too. The plastic end piece means that it doesn't cut into your hand like a lot of ultralight trowels, and I had really great look getting through roots and plants. I know its a little thing, but really it's such a great product!!
Beautiful scenery!! This is a really well done video on a topic that seems to be overlooked on a lot of channels. Some budget gear I found was a collapsible silicone cup from Walmart, $2.99 It doesn't have the handle like yours, but with hot coffee in it you can't feel it, and it folds flatter than your cup. Another find is the Soto Amicus stove and pot set from REI. $49.95 for both the stove and pots, but with the 20% coupon it was $39.99 for a very nice stove and pot set (two pots with rubberized handles and one can be a lid). I've got the Toaks and made the mistake of doing more than boiling water in it. It took two weeks of scrubbing and hacks to get the burnt food out of the bottom. That was a nice looking backpack, I was wondering if it was adjustable? I'm ridiculously short waisted. I like that trowel, it looks a lot more robust than The Deuce. The tent stake pusher looks like a great concept, I'll have to look for a DIY. You need to wash your crinkly Tyvek, LOL.
You can find light stuff that is cheap and high quality, if you are willing to go simple and small. Trekkertent makes really well regarded sub 2lb tents for only about $300. A trangia spirit burner can be had for pennies at second hand stores. You can make a pot stand for free. Foam pads cost 10s not 100s but are indestructible and can be layered for warmth. Maybe don't skimp on the sleeping bag; being cold at night can be lethal. Spare clothes in a stuff sack is way more comfy than an inflatable pillow. The most important point: Look for used. Many backpackers end up with several complete setups chasing those last few ounces. Piggy-back on them :D
I used the Nevo Rhino for two years. Still have it. It is pretty dope. I got mine at $65 😊. Though it doesn't hold up quite as well as more premium brands. But it does amazing for a low budget.
I love that UCO cup. Saves my cook pot from infusing coffee flavors into my next meal. So worth the couple ounces to have a separate cup and not burn your hands. Also really appreciated you explaining the tradeoffs as you talked through the pieces, made it clear you really had the newbie audience in mind.
Good job, Eric! People who want to learn about backpacking shouldn't spend a lot of money until they are sure it is something they will do more than once. If they become a serious backpacker, they can start spending money upgrading their gear. Ultralight gear isn't necessary to enjoy backpacking unless you are doing long trips and not many people do that. There is also used gear at places like REI that can be very inexpensive and good quality.
really a big fan of goo electrolyte tablets . hate having the powder packets. always makes a mess and the trash piles up. I've had the same stove for almost five years. the igniter stopped working but just using a lighter works fine. hate the static v with a passion. uncomfortable , not nearly warm enough, even for the insulated version and hate it. REI Helix is my go-to pad
That sleeping mat is good to go inside a hammock. It makes the hammock stay open a bit more and not squeeze you and gives a bit of insulation. This is assuming that you'd use an under quilt for actual insulation or just forgo the hammock in really cold weather.
I have a NatureHike Mongar 2 tent that’s fairly small and lightweight. It’s made it through more than one Texas thunderstorms. They make 1-person tents as well.
So I have to agree that you are in one of the best little stretches of the Arizona trail. You're also basically in my neck of the woods. I have the San Francisco peaks to the East and then Bill Williams Mountain to the West. Static V: yes, V not 5. The V is for the baffled design that is supposed to keep you centered. It works OK I guess. I have the brown one that is insulated. You're comments about it being a PITA to deflate is spot on. Of all of my gear, the slowness of that pad and getting it folded just perfect to fit into it's bag is the part that gives me the least joy.
THIS video is the reason I finally subbed to your channel. Im a retired physician and I could easily afford any ultra premium loadout without blinking, but I like smart choices and this video brings me back to my residency days as a new starving doctor having to make smart choices and maximizing my bang for buck. VERY well done video. Please do more of these. PS that 2 person Featherstone tent you did a video on is still out of stock on Amazon😢
Oooo I have that _exact_ same stove burner...except mine is from a different brand (technically) and was $30 in conjunction with two small cookpots that all fit together (and can fit the fuel tank). So far so good, only issues is the pots feel a bit unstable on it, like they're always on the verge of slipping off. But despite how it _feels_ it's stayed on duing some really high winds! And yes the piezo igniter is great for it.
About the sleeping mattress, there is also a version of the klymit static V that is insulated and it comes with an R value of 4.4 which is amazing for just about $20 more. Had it for about 2 years now. I am not winter camping, but have stayed warm in 25F with it in fall.
I liked the stove and the toaks cup. But that's one of the things i never brought with me as begginer. When i started, i just brought sandwiches with me, and protein bars, that way I didn't expend money on a cooking set, cups, dehydrated meals etc... Same with the tent. I did all my first campings under a tarp and saved up some money that I used on a 180$-200€ synthetic nemo sleeping bag. I did something similar with the sleeping pad, but combined it with a foam one.
@@eric_hanson but as you said, the most important thing is that all worked out. One extra piece of gear here or there, doesn't really matter if you have a good time.
Don’t sleep on used gear. There’s a lot of great finds at your local rei, cabelas, bass pro, etc in their used/returns section! Salvation Army, goodwill, Facebook marketplace, garage sales, etc also can have some great deals. F
I believe that tent is a private label offering and is also offered by Paria Outdoor. Paria also offers the excellent Recharge XL pad at a great price.
My entry into backpacking and bike packing was the Yosemite Hyke & Byke which I love. This year I will be using Durston to reduce weight, but will be keeping the tent stake hand protector.
My best and favorite budget tent is the Kelty discovery trail. Comes in at about 3.5 lbs and has withstood 30+ mph winds in a storm on an island in Puget Sound. Thing with footprint was about $129.
My first sleeping pad was a Klymit Static V Luxe in the uninsulated version. It was rated at an r-value of 1.3 before they started using the ASTM ratings. As a cold sleeper, it was useless in anything but the warmest temperatures. I could feel a lot of cold spots if I used it when it wasn't warm, and that was with extra insulation added underneath it. Upgrading to a Nemo Tensor was definitely worth the extra cost for me. As far as tents go, I have a Featherstone UL Obsidian 1P, which I only paid $100 for. It's a little heavier than I would like at 3 lbs, 12 oz, but I can't complain for the price. It's been a great tent.
Before I got my Insulated Tensor the only pad I've been using for 5-6 years has been the Klymit Static V2, I think it was $30 when I bought it. Still a fantastic summer pad that's lasted a long time. When it comes to cheap tents, I'm still using my "NatureHike Tagar" that I got at the same time as the klymit. It's ~very~ light and has withstood a lot over the years. I keep waiting for it to tear so I can get a TarpTent Rainbow, but here I am, still using the cheap tent. The Tuck 20F is under $80, great but weighs a ton and takes up so much space. I'd go with Paria if I was recommending a budget bag to people now.
That was my first stove!! I use it when I cook for more than one person. Brs when it is just me. I have had issues with it at altitude. I bring an esbit as backup.
I MUCH prefer the klymit over my expensive insulated pad, I think the baffle design is what makes it comfortable and the size precisely fits the floor of my solo tent so a pillow doesn't ever escape. Watch out for the Nitecore lamps draining while you hike!! I walked for three hours using my phone because the button got pressed in my pack.
Great video People sharing the tent and splitting the carry weight would make the tent acceptable Also as a hack, a tarp can be used as a tent fly It can provide greater ventilation and a better view of the surrounding environment Also a mummy bag that is too snug can be used as a quilt Happy Father's Day
I have been hiking for many years and the backpack that I'm currently using is a Columbia Newton Ridge 36l for which I paid around 90€. Very happy with it's performance and quality of materials.
I really like and respect how you did this. I’m not a fan of the Temu cheap-as-dirt crap that looks unsafe and unreliable. But your approach was well done and honest about the pros and cons. Honestly, I also love your reviews of high-end gear because 1) if I’m going to spend $$$ on a new piece of gear I want to see some reviews and comparisons, and 2) I like at least learning about the latest tech/materials and innovation so I can decide if it’s worth it to upgrade or not. Thanks for the good content.
I have several of these cheaper items stacked up ready to go on my next backpacking trip. Glad to hear they're good gateway and entry level into the hobby.
I still use that camping stove because it rocks. As far as budget gear, the best piece of gear I found and love to hike/travel with is the Mier Lanshan 1. I woke up in a pool of water, and it kept my gear and I dry. I am 6'2", and it works great.
I have slowly been collecting gear for the outdoors and I happened to buy this exact bag. Haven't had a chance to test it out and I was wondering how it would hold up to a stress test as I have limited knowledge but I'm glad to see you liked it! Definitely a nice surprise.
I've been using that stove for years, it's awesome! I'm a alpine climber and backpacker in BC, most of my time in the canadian rockies. It hasn't failed me yet
I love your coffee mug. I have had mine for 4 years and being half collapsible helps it fit into the limited space in my pack. That little tent looks like it would be nice for a car camping kit.
I've got that stove. You can get basically the same stove at Walmart for a little bit more expensive, but it comes in a bundle with more gear like silverwear and stuff. Nice little stove. The only thing I don't like about it is that the platform area where you put your pot is pretty small, and I've been on uneven ground/surfaces and been worried about spilling a pot of boiling water on the ground. Honestly that's my only con for this stove, though. For the price you really can't go wrong.
I have the exact same mattress Love that thing However if you wish to get better sleep with just a little extra comfort if you can take well you have the space a rollout foam mattress one of the real super thin ones you're going to be more surprised Another excellent video my good man And Happy Father's Day to you if you are a father
Love the Nitecore NU25. There are even more features packed into there that you didn’t show. Quick double right click and you get a very dim non blinding light. On the left button there’s also a strobe light for rescue. If I were to buy again I think I would get the one with a little band+ cord. Seems like with just the cords its always getting tangled and this point I think it’s somehow twisted up and can’t get it back to how it was.
Also, on the cookpot. I have an evernew pasta pot, which has been my favorite for years, and some functions in that are really better, including the strainer lid/pour spout, and silicone burn guards on the handles. It is not $110, and iMO for the features worth it for the titanium and extra features.
I have bad hips and can't currently backpack, but I've picked up some ozark trail tents at walmart that are on the heavy side but work just fine. I've used them for kayak camping and car camping, but when adding up the weight of everything (since that still matters for kayak camping) they still are light enough for backpacking. (but yeah, I agree the one thing to not skimp on is your sleep stuff, you don't need to be top of the line, but not cheap either)
No worries-every industry is like that. I'm also a big fan of cycling/MTB, which is even more extreme. You get what you pay for, but the last 10-20% of performance usually costs 80% more. So it's up to everyone else if you want to pay a premium for top-notch tech. Mostly, it's not needed. I usually go for a solid middle ground, half the price of the peak products with a slight weight penalty. But I'm as much into gear as into backpacking. Gear is where all the fun comes from. So, of course, I watch all the luxury product reviews :D
I have been using a clone of that stove I got on amazon since 2021, and it has been working well all that time - I use it fairly often, so it gets a workout. I did have to fiddle with it a bit this year to tighten it up, but that worked. The piezo even still works! I have a Klymit Static V (not the wide one) & it works for me. It’s not fun to blow up so I got a pump 😂 it is a pain to deflate & roll up. I love my NiteCore - i have the one that has a partial band instead of all cord. I do night hikes fairly often and it has served me well. I swear Texas bugs don’t care if the light is red or white though!
@erichanson I wanted to comment and say how much I appreciate your videos. I am a returning backpacker, turning 54 in the coming weeks and your videos have been so enlightening! I have been out of shape for far too long and thought my backpacking days were over. I have been in training for an epic return trip deep into the High Uinta's in Utah. I am passing along all this new info to new hikers; nieces and nephews and my son and daughter who are joining me on this trip. It has been difficult to outfit with gear and knowledge 6+ new hikers, but thanks to your videos and your counterparts my cathartic journey is nearing conclusion! July 21st can't come soon enough! Great bargain right now for trekking poles at Costco is a Cascade carbon fiber set for $24.99!
I have the same stove: knock off version is the Etekcity version and it still works great. The disc to push in stakes is nice, but I found one that not only pushes in stakes, but will connect to the end of my trowel on Etsy. Mine serves two purposes and was 3D printed. I also have that same Klymit air mattress and an insulated one too. Yes, I want a better air mattress.
I loved to see you try out new less mainstream gear. I would have liked to see you try out a more budget pillow and a pot not so used by everyone else (Although I get the Toaks pot cause the insane value.)
I do a hunting trip to the mountains every November where we hike in, set up camp, and hunt from there for a week. I went all camo this & camo that my first few years. After that, I started getting into the ultralight gear and have some odd colored items now, haha. The point is that a lot of budget gear is great to get you started, and then you can adjust and upgrade from there. Great video.
Great video Eric! It’s nice to see some options in this price range being reviewed. I believe more videos like this one will give confidence to the beginner/budget conscious people.
My favorite tent is from walmart. I took the fiberglass poles out and use my walking sticks to prop it up. It now weighs about 3 pounds, I did need to put a reinforcement leather piece in the peak, due to my fear of pushing the poles through the top. I did spend money on a r4 mattress and sometimes like to complain about the price for a mattress that you campout with, but it is more than adequate. Heavy but does its job.
I have a pair of old Klymit static V sleep pads that I really love. That said, I haven't been on EXTENDED backpacking trips or any thru hikes. So who knows? But for someone wanting to get started on a budget, I don't regret buying them. Eventually I will upgrade, but for now, worth it!
R1 is the insulating power of 1 inch of clear pine, R5= 5 inches. One can add quite a bit of insulating ability with a non-disposable space blanket, its a little noisy but for a few bucks you can boost that r value to 3 or 4
i defiantly mix cheap gear with expensive gear to kind of have the best of both worlds, i love the video and defiantly enjoy options and the way you presented this one was great!
Video Idea: Buy cheap 1 star camping products, test those out and compare and explain what makes better gear and what to look out for when buying your gear on a budget.
I have that sleeping pad, it was my first for my first trip! I sleep on it terribly, as a side only sleeper with insomnia-but I have loaned it out to a friend who sleeps on her back and she really likes it.
Bugs love my NU-25 red light. 🤔 Laying a closed-cell foam pad on top (or underneath - not as warm) of the Klymit air pad will allow you to use it in colder temperatures. Everything that you have shown is adequate for beginners doing short hikes in moderate weather. One important note. I would have chosen a trekking pole solo tent like the very popular Lanshan tent.
There are several different Klymit pads one with a 4.5R value. Klymit static V. I have used Klymit for years and they have literally everything, but not the R6-8 area but they do have the lightest pad with their exoskeleton.
Good to see more real world testing of budget gear. It's worth mentioning that the bulk of the tent means you need to strap it outside your pack, which is not optimal in terms of carrying comfort. It would be worth searching for something less bulky so the heavier tent fits inside and strap something lighter outside the pack - so weight is distributed better.
I have to say I bought one of those cheap little stoves off Amazon like four years ago and I’ve used it over 50 times so far it has never failed me is the best $12 you’ll ever spend
My first sleeping matt was the Klymit Static V insulated. It was surprisingly comfortable but unfortunately the valve failed one below freezing night and i woke up very cold on the ground. Luckily it was my last night.
This has been one of my favorite gear videos you have done. Good information for the beginner backpacker who is on a budget! Upgrade one piece at time 😎
I have that stove as well. I typically use my JetBoil. But the case that the $12 stove came in is perfect to carry my Petzl headlamp without having the button accidentally depressed.
I think these types of videos are very helpful to the average hiker/backpacker who might only spend a limited amount of time actually camping. I hope you also cover clothing, which I personally think is the biggest ripoff in the outdoor market. I regularly use items I wear running, skiing or to the gym on hikes. Maybe talk about duel purpose items. Great video and thank you.
Dual purpose video would be interesting, I agree!
I have a button up sunshirt that I wear as part of my normal casual wear when I know I’ll be outside in the sun and too lazy to put on sunscreen, or if I have new arm tattoos and I can’t put sunscreen on them yet. It’d be cool to see which items he uses that falls in the middle part of the “items for hiking/backpacking vs everyday/casual use” Venn diagram.
@@holaa.lauraa Always nice to see another person from MA on here.
Glad to hear it! Yeah I think the majority of people who like backpacking only spend a few nights per year on trips. So to spend crazy amounts of money just isn't necessary. I do plan on expanding this to a bit of a series, so covering apparel is a great idea!
Yes! While I can see the value in certain hiking specific articles of clothing, it’s an area where you can save a ton of money!! I just realized as I pack for a 6 day backpacking trip that all of my clothing, with the exception of my shoes and insulating layers, is from Costco 😂 Unintentionally, but still haha I look like I’m sponsored by Costco!
@@kaitlynchermak6488 Exactly, it doesn’t have to be a fashion show. Have a fun and safe trip.
I think this is a great video concept. I would love to see this as a competition against some other hiking youtubers to see who comes up with the best $500 setup.
That's a great idea!
This is a great idea!
Brilliant idea
@@eric_hansonDan Becker.
I've used that amazon stove for 2 years on several trips. Never fails. Sometimes when removing it from the canister the parts can become loose. Remember to tighten it all up before using it the next time... 🔥
That's impressive. And thanks for the warning!
That's a little bit horrifying. I read a wonderful piece of advice regarding silversmithing torches- don't go 'cheap' on the knock-off Smith Little Torch- you're working with highly flammable, compressed gas, and you don't want a seal that can't handle the heat, or a leak in a join which could easily maim or kill you. Camping stoves are just like little torches. Of course, all equipment must be maintained properly, but the issue you describe sounds potentially very dangerous. That 12 dollar stove could end up being the 5,000 stove when it maims someone.
I’ve been using this same stove for years as well and never had an issue. Once apon a time someone got me a camping French press which is way too much to carry for long hikes so I took out all the coffee pressing parts and use the cup with the stove and it works great. Also I found that the stand for the gas container made by jet boil was a nice addition! Love your channel!
My buddy had that Amazon stove and it failed on us on an overnight backpacking trip in Yosemite, and started shooting flames 4 feet into the air. Somehow he managed to shut it off without burning himself or starting a forest fire - but it was really scary. I definitely agree you’re better off sticking to trusted brands on stoves. And it’s not like name brand stoves are that expensive - I just checked on Amazon and the Snow Peak stove I’ve been using for 10+ years still costs less than $50.
The push disc for the tent stakes it's kind of an interesting thing because the channel "MyLifeOutdoors" had a camping hack where he uses half inch PVC pipe caps to push his tent stakes in so it doesn't hurt his hand and I do the same thing because it works fantastic!
My 3d printer is already printing🤣
I’ve been using a plastic bottle cap with regular diameter and a bit smaller height for the same purpose to push in or step on a stake. And when not in active use, I put it facing down at the bottom of my stakes stuff sack, where it protects it and the rest of the gear from the tips of 5-6 stakes. It weighs almost nothing, costs nothing, and should I ever lose it I can replace that in just about any store or back at home. Very useful.
I just find a rock at camp and lightly hammer
why not just step on it? legit question from a dumb person
I have that Hyke and Byke tent, but have since upgraded to a lighter tent. I use the Hyke and Byke stakes for my new tent, and I will never not carry that stake pusher. It's great.
FINALLY! A video about true budget gear. Too often, backpacking youtubers show a "budget" option that is still about twice the price most people would want to pay.
Id consider this exactly that lol
This is not budget gear. It’s half the cost of my ultralight summer kit.
$500 for all of that feels pretty budget to me. That’s a lot of stuff.
I appreciate that you said LMNT is just the best choice for you. I'm a liquid IV person because I tend to have blood sugar issues and need the sugar. All of our bodies are different, and I appreciate that you acknowledged that!
I've heard great things about the Naturehike Cloud Up series of tents. They are reportedly a lot lighter and storm worthy, for only a little more money than the one in this video. If I were just starting out that's probably what I'd go with. Add a $10 closed cell foam pad to the Klymit air mattress and you have a bit more comfort and a lot more warmth. I'm pretty impressed with the AOTU stove. I do miss not having a piezo igniter on my BRS burner.
The nature hike cloud up 2 person is the tent I’ve been looking at! Would love to see that reviewed along with some gear from Ozark trail. Walmart is accessible for lots of folk so it would be great to see more gear featured from them
I haven't used any Naturehike products myself, but I'm a park ranger and I used to be stationed on a remote island (backpacking access only). Someone showed up to the ranger station early in the season with a Naturehike tent (Star River maybe?) that they'd found abandoned in the backcountry, so it'd been out at least since last season. It was muddy so I set it up and hosed it off, but it was in fantastic shape and totally intact after sitting outside for close to a year. It was also pretty compact and lightweight. We kept it as a spare for people who have gear disasters but it really seemed like a great tent! Definitely piqued my interest!
My cloud up 2 is 4 or 5 years old and its still in great shape.
Decently light at 1650 grams(no ground sheet).
It can take a reasonable amount of wind but it needs all the guy lines. If used as a 2 person tent you better like the other person lol. I would say its the same build quality as my msr elixir 3 or better. If you like the design i would have no problem recomending one.
As for luxury items, I would say for a reasonably priced camping chair check out the Naturehike YL08 Ultralight Camping Chair. Coming in at 2.1 lbs and currently $39.99 (normally $49.99), I would say it's just as comfortable as a lot of the more expensive chairs. I love mine. I pair it with the NACETURE Ultralight Backpacking Table for just 1.8 lbs extra and only $29.99. I just ditch the mesh basket underneath it. I love that I can cook on it, keep my food and drinks off the ground, and overall give camp that more cozy feeling.
Sweet. Cool recommendations!
Also, as far as stoves go, the CAMPINGMOON Compact Foldable Stove w/Micro Regulator on Amazon is $36 and is literally the same as the Soto Windmaster (a $70 stove). Same removable pot supports, and fits in my 750ml Toak with my gas canister. It also boils water super quick. Also, one feature the Campingmoon stove has the windmaster doesn't is the ability to also burn propane if you pick up the adaptor.
Weights of all the gear and a total pack weight comparison against your normal pack would have been nice for context.. I've had several of those little stoves for years, and they are bullet proof.
Used a Klymit insulated pad for about 4 years. It’s no Nemo Tensor. But as a side sleeper I never had any issues with hips hitting the ground. Upsides of that pad is durability. The R rating is half what it says it is. The weight isn’t brutal. Price is half of Thermarest and Nemo.
+1 for the insulated Klymit pad. For the price it's surprisingly comfortable and the insulation is definitely an improvement over the model in this video.
Nice. I had always associated Klymit as a kind of gimmicky brand. But after using it here it seems like they at least have some decent gear and I definitely think better of them now.
@eric_hanson I've seen a UA-camr analyze insulation ratings of different sleep pads and found the insulated Klymit was less insulated than the advertised R value. I live in Texas and mostly hammock camp, so can't attest to taking it close to freezing or below.
I also like my insulated Klymit pad. Of course there are other more expensive and more comfortable options out there, but as a side sleeper I find it very comfortable. If I want it to be extra comfy I’ll put my thermarest foam underneath, but on its own it’s a pretty good budget option in my opinion.
Man, I have the v2 version and while I can't knock the tiny size it packs down to, I was literally more comfortable even side sleeping when I just brought an Amazon Basics 1/2 inch yoga mat instead. Something about the Klymit just does not work for me
I have two of those cheap stoves and, for the most part, they're great. However, there was one notable occasion when it simply did not work. I was at 14,000 feet, roughly a mile from the summit of Mt. Whitney on a day hike with daughter and her boyfriend. My daughter's boyfriend was really feeling the altitude and we thought it would help if he got some "real" food so I broke out the stove and a pre-packaged dehydrated meal from REI. The stove absolutely would not light not matter what I did; I could hear the gas coming through, but the piezo-electric component didn't ignite the gas. I thought it was broken and was about to give up on it, but a passing hiker was passing by and I offered to buy any spare lighter or matches. They handed over a couple matches free of charge and that did it. The next day, after hitting the summit and doing the 4 hour drive back to southern California from the trailhead, I was putting away my gear when I decided to try the stove one more time before tossing it out. It lit the first time and every time. Maybe it was the alititude. In either case, I should have had matches as a backup near the summit instead of a twin of that same piezo-electric stove. Now I carry two different ignition sources.
ISO butane, the little canisters the stoves use don’t shine well at high altitudes or sub zero temps. That’s why the Everest climbers are using liquid white gas fuel with msr style stoves
I’ve heard that this can happen with expensive stoves, as well. It’s good that you carry matches with you now.
I am a regular viewer and really enjoyed the focus on budget gear reviews. Would like to see you do more of these moving forward. Also can you tell me what spork you were using?
Glad to hear it! I will do more of these. And yep, I forgot the spork! It's also from UCO. amzn.to/3Vvzd0o
@@eric_hansonThanks for showing the UCO some love! I've used it for years, and it doesn't get nearly enough credit! I also carry it when I travel for work. It's so versatile!
Hey Eric, this was fascinating. We all know you are a pro backpacker; I think seeing you work out your process and, dare I say, struggle a bit, had a lot of upside. Working to stay positive and learn from purchases is so valuable. Your perspective is so great for a new backpacker. Seems like you could do more versions of this video with other low price gear.
Thank you! I do intend to go further into this concept.
I appreciate that your glasses match the pack! Also, Raspberry Salt and Citrus Salt are my favorite LMNT flavors… so good!
Haha matching my sunglasses was my main purchasing consideration.
Don’t sleep on the grapefruit salt! I switch between that and raspberry. Both are so good.
@@mattbeckwith8575 It's true! That one is my next favorite.
Yes, the glasses/pack match was excellent. (Also matched hat and shirt, if I remember correctly)
Don't sleep on the chocolate! And mixing the mango chili with the orange or lime can be pretty good too.
I've used named brand gear but started slowly using affordable gear.
Nature Hike makes fairly lightweight affordable tents like the Cloup Up, Mongar and Star River. Hyke ang Byke makes affordable and good sleeping bags. Soto Amicus stove and pot from REI is good deal. I recommend investing in a good quality backpack from named brands like REI, Osprey or Gregory. It will last forever. Paria Outdoors have good sleeping bags and pads. Sawyer water filter are best. Don't recommend CNOC as overtime you'll have small pinch holes that you can't patch. Platypus bags will last much longer.
This was a great video. When I first started in 2017 at 53, I wasn’t sure if I’d like backpacking or not so I purchased many same and similar and as you did and made it work for about the same packaged price. Not the Klymit, I bought, slept on and returned and opted for an off brand Amazon something else. I bought and used the hike and bike tent for years for both backpacking and car camping. I liked that it included everything for one low price. It IS heavy, but I will have to say that it held up to a severe wind storm in mammoth one year and also snow, rain, etc. i would high,y recommend over a Walmart or big 5 “backpacking” tent. In my budget set up I also bought the trekology pillow that I still own a version of today and I also highly recommend the trail buddy hiking poles. I’m 1000’s of dollars into it now, but since 2017 and thousands of miles, my BRS stove, pillow, sawyer squeeze, toaks pot, nitecore headlamp, anker charger, trail buddy poles and tyvek groundsheet are all perfectly functioning. That said, I’ve gone through 3 thermorest neoair xlites and am searching for an alternative before I embark, a BIG deal to me, on the John Muir Trail in a few weeks. That’s the only piece of gear that I am worried about. Am seriously considering a zen Bivey mattress as I have the “bed.” Of course Now they have the UL bed, aggg, more $$$ for me. It never ends. Long post, sorry, but it would be great for us all if you did the same with clothing, poles, etc.? Backpack accessories like water bottle holders or Fanny packs and Socks? Thanks!
I started backpacking years ago with a super-budget list that was almost entirely picked up from Wal-Mart (I think I brought it up when you did this same thing with that idea in an earlier video). I upgraded from most of that to budget options that I found on Amazon, some of which you show here. My wife just recently went out with me for her first backpacking trip and loved it, so we'll probably be upgrading slowly to lighter, more comfortable, and more expensive options as we continue in the future.
Here's a one better option from my (and now my wife's) experience with budget-friendly gear. The Trekology UL80 Inflatable Sleeping Pad. it's 4 inches thick, so I never feel the ground when I'm on it. It's comfortable enough that my wife was able to get a good night's sleep on it. I bought a second one for her before her first outing, and she didn't even mention it as something to upgrade in the future.
My dad gave me that stove for my first backpacking trip and I am still using it! Have no need to upgrade.
Sick. Common theme from comments is that the stove holds up!
I tried out the River Country One Person Trekking Pole Tent four years ago. Since the purchase it’s been on roughly 20+ trips in rain, snow and even some light hail with no issues. The cost was $50. A great tent.
What a great video! I’m planning a short backpacking trip with my daughter, and it makes a lot of sense not to go crazy buying $$$$ equipment before you know that you want to do more than day hikes. Thank you! And, the comments from seasoned backpackers are helpful, too.
I used that stove for 10+ years and it absolutely just worked. Never had a problem starting and it just keeps working. I retired it this year to finally upgrade to the jetboil but didn’t really need to.
I've been using it for about 5 years, and my brother used it for about 5 years before that. It's so simple that it doesn't have much that can fail. And so functional that I've had a hard time thinking about spending money for something else.
How about a video that covers Decathlon Stuff with a similar budget?
Decathlon is definitely one of my go-to brands when I'm looking for quality gear on a good budget. My backpacking loadout currently includes one of their 20⁰ mummy bags, a sleeping mat, their 50L pack, a chair, and trekking poles. Great stuff for the money and reasonably light weight!
Agreed. Decathlon is a great option with very reasonable prices
Featherstone and Nature hike definitely have some phenomenal tents for a similar price range but significantly lighter. The architecture of that tent definitely seemed like a car camping tent trying it's best to be a backpacking tent.
Thanks for the recommendations! Those seem to be consistently recommended here.
I second Featherstone!
My FIL picked up an AMPEX 1-person backpacking tent at Walmart on clearance for $35. Min trail wt is 2lbs 4.6oz, all in it’s 3lbs 1.4oz (but it’s easy to ditch 6-8oz). Just for fun, I set it up yesterday and there are some things about it that remind me of the MSR Hubba - the shape, weight, and some of the set up. The guy lines were really short, but overall I was really impressed for the price. Granted that was the clearance price and not the original price.
A fun experiment would be to check out discounter-hiking/camping equipment. In Germany Aldi and Lidl and a few others often have special offerings when the festival season starts, then you can get cheap tents, sleepingpads, sleepinbags or hammoks (and some other stuff) and for someone who is still testing the waters this could be a good addition in some cases. My 3 season sleeping bag is now 15 years old and still one of the best sleepingbags I have been sleeping in so far.
While I dislike Amazon as an entity, I do like this video. Thank you!
I’ve been building my first backpacking kit over the last few months (mostly buying stuff on sale, or secondhand), and going on my first trip soon :D building a kit isn’t cheap, and it’s great to see recommendations/insights into less expensive options.
Totally agree with your take. Gear re-sellers and online marketplaces might be a better fit for you. You've got to be scrappy enough to know what you're looking for, but giving gear a second life is totally worth the inconvenience.
I agree that a $160 tent would be better. I remember hiking my first trip with a Hyke & Byke tent. I could have saved so 3+ pounds by getting a Lanshan 1 or 2 person trekking pole tent.
But I prefer the Six Moon Designs Lunar Solo. It’s a huge 1 person tent for the money and weight!
The klymit pad is shockingly comfortable for how thin it is. Their baffles do a crazy good job of relieving pressure points. I got their UL version secondhand for under $10 and it’s only 12 oz. 10/10 for a starter pad in the summer
I agree it's a great starting mattress. Pretty impressive at the weight and price.
My kids use the hike and bike tent. They split carry to lighten up the load. They also use the Paria Outdoors Inflatable Mattress which they sleep very comfortably on.
I'm a two person tent camper myself, but I'm not sure I would have done it in that situation. The naturehike cloud up single person goes for about 100 and weighs 3.3 lbs with a 4.5 star rating. Pack looks nice.
Would love to see you create some more videos on money conscious finds. I'd suggest trying some Naturehike tents like the Cloud up 2! The 20D version is a great tent to start out with or the Lanshan 2s! I love your presence on the screen and would like to see your takes on tents that there's more of a chance I could afford haha
This was so much of a better take on affordable gear than others that I have seen. Really well done Eric. Thanks.
I’ve been using the Hydroblu Versaflow Water filter for a few years ($22.95). Works good. Flow rate almost as good as the Squeeze, which I used to use.
With 2-2L cnoc water reservoir bags, makes for a great gravity feed system, set it up & walk away on other camp chores, like pre-digging a cat hole b4 u need it 😝
The aotu stove is great, I've had mine for like 5 years now and haven't had a problem with it. I honestly like it more than every other stove that I've tried.
I’ve really only used budget gear for the last 5 years (except for my Big Agnes sleeping pad) and I’ve never had a bad time. I also get previous year models (like my Mountainsmith Scream 55 I got for $88) don’t have to break the bank to have fun in the back country
Yup. If you avoid the newest stuff you’ll definitely save some money! That seems like a pretty sweet deal you found
@@eric_hanson granted, if I backpacked as much as you and in the conditions you do, I’d go for the trial worthy more expensive gear for peace of mind alone! Happy trails Eric! Thanks for all you do
My first tent was that exact tent - the Hyke&Bike 2P tent. I took it on my first trip. I knew nothing about weight and bought it for the price. Yeah, it was heavy and I eventually swapped it out. I got the 1P version and used that a few times on my trips. I use them now for car camping but they are still one of my favorite tents. They have been thru many storms with no issues. Thank you for the great gear tips!
Paria Outdoors tents are good tents that won't break the bank, they're around 150+ US. I have the Zion 1P which takes care of me in heavy rain and winds without a problem. Good video Eric!
I own the 1p Bryce and still dependable to this day!
Love my 1p Arches! Super dependable in heavy rain & wind
Thank you so much for this video. I've been stocking up some new gear and you actually had a couple of the items. I think Amazon is a great source but Don't Overlook Good Sales!! I think that should be stressed to some people. I wouldn't trade my Goosenest I picked up from REI for $130. Love you, Love your Channel!!
I love the Bogler trowel!! I bought one last year before my first solo backpacking trip because I realized I didn't own a trowel and I needed something I could get quickly (my local backpacking store didn't sell trowels). Since it's on Amazon it's marvelously accessible - super fast prime delivery too. The plastic end piece means that it doesn't cut into your hand like a lot of ultralight trowels, and I had really great look getting through roots and plants. I know its a little thing, but really it's such a great product!!
Beautiful scenery!! This is a really well done video on a topic that seems to be overlooked on a lot of channels. Some budget gear I found was a collapsible silicone cup from Walmart, $2.99 It doesn't have the handle like yours, but with hot coffee in it you can't feel it, and it folds flatter than your cup. Another find is the Soto Amicus stove and pot set from REI. $49.95 for both the stove and pots, but with the 20% coupon it was $39.99 for a very nice stove and pot set (two pots with rubberized handles and one can be a lid). I've got the Toaks and made the mistake of doing more than boiling water in it. It took two weeks of scrubbing and hacks to get the burnt food out of the bottom. That was a nice looking backpack, I was wondering if it was adjustable? I'm ridiculously short waisted. I like that trowel, it looks a lot more robust than The Deuce. The tent stake pusher looks like a great concept, I'll have to look for a DIY. You need to wash your crinkly Tyvek, LOL.
You can find light stuff that is cheap and high quality, if you are willing to go simple and small. Trekkertent makes really well regarded sub 2lb tents for only about $300. A trangia spirit burner can be had for pennies at second hand stores. You can make a pot stand for free. Foam pads cost 10s not 100s but are indestructible and can be layered for warmth. Maybe don't skimp on the sleeping bag; being cold at night can be lethal. Spare clothes in a stuff sack is way more comfy than an inflatable pillow. The most important point: Look for used. Many backpackers end up with several complete setups chasing those last few ounces. Piggy-back on them :D
I used the Nevo Rhino for two years. Still have it. It is pretty dope. I got mine at $65 😊. Though it doesn't hold up quite as well as more premium brands. But it does amazing for a low budget.
I love that UCO cup. Saves my cook pot from infusing coffee flavors into my next meal. So worth the couple ounces to have a separate cup and not burn your hands.
Also really appreciated you explaining the tradeoffs as you talked through the pieces, made it clear you really had the newbie audience in mind.
Good job, Eric! People who want to learn about backpacking shouldn't spend a lot of money until they are sure it is something they will do more than once. If they become a serious backpacker, they can start spending money upgrading their gear. Ultralight gear isn't necessary to enjoy backpacking unless you are doing long trips and not many people do that. There is also used gear at places like REI that can be very inexpensive and good quality.
I've been using that stove for years. Ignitor still works. Little bit big but a damn sold purchase. I believe I spent under $10 at the time
really a big fan of goo electrolyte tablets . hate having the powder packets. always makes a mess and the trash piles up. I've had the same stove for almost five years. the igniter stopped working but just using a lighter works fine. hate the static v with a passion. uncomfortable , not nearly warm enough, even for the insulated version and hate it. REI Helix is my go-to pad
I have that stove brought it for my first backpacking trip years ago and still haven't had to buy a new one yet and it gets a fair but of use
That sleeping mat is good to go inside a hammock. It makes the hammock stay open a bit more and not squeeze you and gives a bit of insulation. This is assuming that you'd use an under quilt for actual insulation or just forgo the hammock in really cold weather.
I have a NatureHike Mongar 2 tent that’s fairly small and lightweight. It’s made it through more than one Texas thunderstorms. They make 1-person tents as well.
So I have to agree that you are in one of the best little stretches of the Arizona trail. You're also basically in my neck of the woods. I have the San Francisco peaks to the East and then Bill Williams Mountain to the West.
Static V: yes, V not 5. The V is for the baffled design that is supposed to keep you centered. It works OK I guess. I have the brown one that is insulated. You're comments about it being a PITA to deflate is spot on. Of all of my gear, the slowness of that pad and getting it folded just perfect to fit into it's bag is the part that gives me the least joy.
THIS video is the reason I finally subbed to your channel.
Im a retired physician and I could easily afford any ultra premium loadout without blinking, but I like smart choices and this video brings me back to my residency days as a new starving doctor having to make smart choices and maximizing my bang for buck.
VERY well done video. Please do more of these.
PS that 2 person Featherstone tent you did a video on is still out of stock on Amazon😢
Love the UCO collapsible cup! Bought one based on your recommendation
Oooo I have that _exact_ same stove burner...except mine is from a different brand (technically) and was $30 in conjunction with two small cookpots that all fit together (and can fit the fuel tank). So far so good, only issues is the pots feel a bit unstable on it, like they're always on the verge of slipping off. But despite how it _feels_ it's stayed on duing some really high winds! And yes the piezo igniter is great for it.
About the sleeping mattress, there is also a version of the klymit static V that is insulated and it comes with an R value of 4.4 which is amazing for just about $20 more. Had it for about 2 years now. I am not winter camping, but have stayed warm in 25F with it in fall.
I liked the stove and the toaks cup. But that's one of the things i never brought with me as begginer. When i started, i just brought sandwiches with me, and protein bars, that way I didn't expend money on a cooking set, cups, dehydrated meals etc... Same with the tent. I did all my first campings under a tarp and saved up some money that I used on a 180$-200€ synthetic nemo sleeping bag. I did something similar with the sleeping pad, but combined it with a foam one.
We all start somewhere. Sounds logical the way you did it. And yeah this mattress would be better served in combination with a foam pad.
@@eric_hanson but as you said, the most important thing is that all worked out. One extra piece of gear here or there, doesn't really matter if you have a good time.
Don’t sleep on used gear. There’s a lot of great finds at your local rei, cabelas, bass pro, etc in their used/returns section! Salvation Army, goodwill, Facebook marketplace, garage sales, etc also can have some great deals. F
You should try the Lashan tent
*RIGHT!?!*
I am also curious about his thoughts on that tent.
I believe that tent is a private label offering and is also offered by Paria Outdoor. Paria also offers the excellent Recharge XL pad at a great price.
The Paria tents are a good upgrade for slightly more money. I have no idea if it's a white label or not though. Interesting!
And the Breeze Mesh bug bivvy, and mesh tent for lightweight tarp camping, with multiple tarp setups 👍
My entry into backpacking and bike packing was the Yosemite Hyke & Byke which I love. This year I will be using Durston to reduce weight, but will be keeping the tent stake hand protector.
From one end of the spectrum to another! Well, I do love the Durston tent so I think you will be happy!
My best and favorite budget tent is the Kelty discovery trail. Comes in at about 3.5 lbs and has withstood 30+ mph winds in a storm on an island in Puget Sound. Thing with footprint was about $129.
Oh dang. That's a great price! I'll have to check that out.
My first sleeping pad was a Klymit Static V Luxe in the uninsulated version. It was rated at an r-value of 1.3 before they started using the ASTM ratings. As a cold sleeper, it was useless in anything but the warmest temperatures. I could feel a lot of cold spots if I used it when it wasn't warm, and that was with extra insulation added underneath it. Upgrading to a Nemo Tensor was definitely worth the extra cost for me.
As far as tents go, I have a Featherstone UL Obsidian 1P, which I only paid $100 for. It's a little heavier than I would like at 3 lbs, 12 oz, but I can't complain for the price. It's been a great tent.
Before I got my Insulated Tensor the only pad I've been using for 5-6 years has been the Klymit Static V2, I think it was $30 when I bought it. Still a fantastic summer pad that's lasted a long time.
When it comes to cheap tents, I'm still using my "NatureHike Tagar" that I got at the same time as the klymit. It's ~very~ light and has withstood a lot over the years. I keep waiting for it to tear so I can get a TarpTent Rainbow, but here I am, still using the cheap tent. The Tuck 20F is under $80, great but weighs a ton and takes up so much space. I'd go with Paria if I was recommending a budget bag to people now.
That was my first stove!!
I use it when I cook for more than one person. Brs when it is just me.
I have had issues with it at altitude. I bring an esbit as backup.
I MUCH prefer the klymit over my expensive insulated pad, I think the baffle design is what makes it comfortable and the size precisely fits the floor of my solo tent so a pillow doesn't ever escape.
Watch out for the Nitecore lamps draining while you hike!! I walked for three hours using my phone because the button got pressed in my pack.
Great video
People sharing the tent and splitting the carry weight would make the tent acceptable
Also as a hack, a tarp can be used as a tent fly
It can provide greater ventilation and a better view of the surrounding environment
Also a mummy bag that is too snug can be used as a quilt
Happy Father's Day
I have been hiking for many years and the backpack that I'm currently using is a Columbia Newton Ridge 36l for which I paid around 90€. Very happy with it's performance and quality of materials.
I really like and respect how you did this. I’m not a fan of the Temu cheap-as-dirt crap that looks unsafe and unreliable. But your approach was well done and honest about the pros and cons. Honestly, I also love your reviews of high-end gear because 1) if I’m going to spend $$$ on a new piece of gear I want to see some reviews and comparisons, and 2) I like at least learning about the latest tech/materials and innovation so I can decide if it’s worth it to upgrade or not. Thanks for the good content.
I have several of these cheaper items stacked up ready to go on my next backpacking trip. Glad to hear they're good gateway and entry level into the hobby.
I still use that camping stove because it rocks. As far as budget gear, the best piece of gear I found and love to hike/travel with is the Mier Lanshan 1. I woke up in a pool of water, and it kept my gear and I dry. I am 6'2", and it works great.
I have slowly been collecting gear for the outdoors and I happened to buy this exact bag. Haven't had a chance to test it out and I was wondering how it would hold up to a stress test as I have limited knowledge but I'm glad to see you liked it! Definitely a nice surprise.
I've been using that stove for years, it's awesome! I'm a alpine climber and backpacker in BC, most of my time in the canadian rockies. It hasn't failed me yet
I also slept on a klymit for a long time and it worked when i was lighter but as i got heavier it's not as great.
I love your coffee mug. I have had mine for 4 years and being half collapsible helps it fit into the limited space in my pack. That little tent looks like it would be nice for a car camping kit.
Love the amazon video. A geartrade video would be cool or rei outlet .budget setups
I've got that stove. You can get basically the same stove at Walmart for a little bit more expensive, but it comes in a bundle with more gear like silverwear and stuff. Nice little stove. The only thing I don't like about it is that the platform area where you put your pot is pretty small, and I've been on uneven ground/surfaces and been worried about spilling a pot of boiling water on the ground. Honestly that's my only con for this stove, though. For the price you really can't go wrong.
I have the exact same mattress Love that thing
However if you wish to get better sleep with just a little extra comfort if you can take well you have the space a rollout foam mattress one of the real super thin ones you're going to be more surprised
Another excellent video my good man
And Happy Father's Day to you if you are a father
Thanks for the suggestion on the electrolytes! I've been looking for one with less sugar.
Glad to hear it! They're delicious to boot!
Love the Nitecore NU25. There are even more features packed into there that you didn’t show. Quick double right click and you get a very dim non blinding light. On the left button there’s also a strobe light for rescue. If I were to buy again I think I would get the one with a little band+ cord. Seems like with just the cords its always getting tangled and this point I think it’s somehow twisted up and can’t get it back to how it was.
Interesting, thanks for the tutorial!
Also, on the cookpot. I have an evernew pasta pot, which has been my favorite for years, and some functions in that are really better, including the strainer lid/pour spout, and silicone burn guards on the handles. It is not $110, and iMO for the features worth it for the titanium and extra features.
I have bad hips and can't currently backpack, but I've picked up some ozark trail tents at walmart that are on the heavy side but work just fine. I've used them for kayak camping and car camping, but when adding up the weight of everything (since that still matters for kayak camping) they still are light enough for backpacking. (but yeah, I agree the one thing to not skimp on is your sleep stuff, you don't need to be top of the line, but not cheap either)
No worries-every industry is like that. I'm also a big fan of cycling/MTB, which is even more extreme. You get what you pay for, but the last 10-20% of performance usually costs 80% more. So it's up to everyone else if you want to pay a premium for top-notch tech. Mostly, it's not needed. I usually go for a solid middle ground, half the price of the peak products with a slight weight penalty. But I'm as much into gear as into backpacking. Gear is where all the fun comes from. So, of course, I watch all the luxury product reviews :D
I have been using a clone of that stove I got on amazon since 2021, and it has been working well all that time - I use it fairly often, so it gets a workout. I did have to fiddle with it a bit this year to tighten it up, but that worked. The piezo even still works!
I have a Klymit Static V (not the wide one) & it works for me. It’s not fun to blow up so I got a pump 😂 it is a pain to deflate & roll up.
I love my NiteCore - i have the one that has a partial band instead of all cord. I do night hikes fairly often and it has served me well. I swear Texas bugs don’t care if the light is red or white though!
@erichanson I wanted to comment and say how much I appreciate your videos. I am a returning backpacker, turning 54 in the coming weeks and your videos have been so enlightening! I have been out of shape for far too long and thought my backpacking days were over. I have been in training for an epic return trip deep into the High Uinta's in Utah. I am passing along all this new info to new hikers; nieces and nephews and my son and daughter who are joining me on this trip. It has been difficult to outfit with gear and knowledge 6+ new hikers, but thanks to your videos and your counterparts my cathartic journey is nearing conclusion! July 21st can't come soon enough! Great bargain right now for trekking poles at Costco is a Cascade carbon fiber set for $24.99!
I have the same stove: knock off version is the Etekcity version and it still works great. The disc to push in stakes is nice, but I found one that not only pushes in stakes, but will connect to the end of my trowel on Etsy. Mine serves two purposes and was 3D printed. I also have that same Klymit air mattress and an insulated one too. Yes, I want a better air mattress.
I loved to see you try out new less mainstream gear. I would have liked to see you try out a more budget pillow and a pot not so used by everyone else (Although I get the Toaks pot cause the insane value.)
I like the concept of this video. Please do more like this.
I do a hunting trip to the mountains every November where we hike in, set up camp, and hunt from there for a week. I went all camo this & camo that my first few years. After that, I started getting into the ultralight gear and have some odd colored items now, haha. The point is that a lot of budget gear is great to get you started, and then you can adjust and upgrade from there. Great video.
Great video Eric! It’s nice to see some options in this price range being reviewed. I believe more videos like this one will give confidence to the beginner/budget conscious people.
Glad to hear it! Thanks!
My favorite tent is from walmart. I took the fiberglass poles out and use my walking sticks to prop it up. It now weighs about 3 pounds, I did need to put a reinforcement leather piece in the peak, due to my fear of pushing the poles through the top. I did spend money on a r4 mattress and sometimes like to complain about the price for a mattress that you campout with, but it is more than adequate. Heavy but does its job.
I have a pair of old Klymit static V sleep pads that I really love. That said, I haven't been on EXTENDED backpacking trips or any thru hikes. So who knows? But for someone wanting to get started on a budget, I don't regret buying them. Eventually I will upgrade, but for now, worth it!
R1 is the insulating power of 1 inch of clear pine, R5= 5 inches. One can add quite a bit of insulating ability with a non-disposable space blanket, its a little noisy but for a few bucks you can boost that r value to 3 or 4
i defiantly mix cheap gear with expensive gear to kind of have the best of both worlds, i love the video and defiantly enjoy options and the way you presented this one was great!
Video Idea: Buy cheap 1 star camping products, test those out and compare and explain what makes better gear and what to look out for when buying your gear on a budget.
Wonderful idea! Would love to see it.
I have that sleeping pad, it was my first for my first trip! I sleep on it terribly, as a side only sleeper with insomnia-but I have loaned it out to a friend who sleeps on her back and she really likes it.
Bugs love my NU-25 red light. 🤔
Laying a closed-cell foam pad on top (or underneath - not as warm) of the Klymit air pad will allow you to use it in colder temperatures.
Everything that you have shown is adequate for beginners doing short hikes in moderate weather.
One important note.
I would have chosen a trekking pole solo tent like the very popular Lanshan tent.
There are several different Klymit pads one with a 4.5R value. Klymit static V. I have used Klymit for years and they have literally everything, but not the R6-8 area but they do have the lightest pad with their exoskeleton.
Good to see more real world testing of budget gear. It's worth mentioning that the bulk of the tent means you need to strap it outside your pack, which is not optimal in terms of carrying comfort. It would be worth searching for something less bulky so the heavier tent fits inside and strap something lighter outside the pack - so weight is distributed better.
I have to say I bought one of those cheap little stoves off Amazon like four years ago and I’ve used it over 50 times so far it has never failed me is the best $12 you’ll ever spend
My first sleeping matt was the Klymit Static V insulated. It was surprisingly comfortable but unfortunately the valve failed one below freezing night and i woke up very cold on the ground. Luckily it was my last night.
This has been one of my favorite gear videos you have done. Good information for the beginner backpacker who is on a budget! Upgrade one piece at time 😎
I have that stove as well. I typically use my JetBoil. But the case that the $12 stove came in is perfect to carry my Petzl headlamp without having the button accidentally depressed.