Fun fact: Crime was very organized in Berlin of the 1920s! Gangsters founded clubs (Ringvereine) and officially registered these clubs in the register of associations (Vereinsregister)! There were up to 60 clubs that counted for about 1600 members in the late 1920s according to an article of Spiegel magazine (2020)! "Ring Berlin" was their top level association. "Always Faithful", "Federal Association of former convicts" or "German Oak" were such clubs. They were abolished by the National Socialists in 1934.
Yupp, for the food market for example, like Heinz. Or they invented stuff, like Singer invented the sewing machine. Or they invented stuff, primarily for the military and the Nasa that changed the world forever. There was literally no need to become a criminal organization.
When a communist revolution in Germany was a very definite prospect just after the first world War, Lenin commented that German revolutionaries wouldn't even take over a train station without buying platform tickets first.
Fucking kids too But Germans are known to do it more often that other Central Europe countries. Also, Germany has plenty of Mafias, just not from it's own country. between Hannover and Bielefeld alone if you got the eye for it, you clearly see it As of Italy, there are two types of Mafia. The real one, very scary BUT Also very needed in Italy. Because of them, terrorism isn't really a thing in Italy. Then there is the "Naple type" of Mafia. A kind of a joke for Italians. Basically the same as the "biker gangs" around the world.
A very important point was also that German immigrants entered the U.S. mostly as skilled workers with a vocational training as carpenters, brick layers, blacksmiths etc. which made them rather popular on the labor market. They didn't have to turn to a life of crime because even when they weren't academics they were set up for a successful life. The perspectives looked a little differently for the Irish for example when they came to America.
Thanks for this observation! I was thinking along these lines myself, because my grandfathers didn't fall into any of the categories that BostWiki mentioned (farmers, intellectuals, or Nazis). My grandfathers (all my grandparents were German immigrants in the late 20s) were Tool & Die makers, and as such, fall neatly into your category of skilled workers with vocational training.
The Germans, in fact, mostly were the "skilled workers" that are - allegedly - and spoonfed to us, coming from the Middle East and Africa now, because we have to little here in Germany. Who ever believes that, I wonder...
Random: Most of the casualties in Jamestown in 1618 & 1622 were indentured servants from Germany & Poland, they were all skilled. Glassblowers, wheelwrights, blacksmiths, etc etc.
My dad’s German side of the family, East Prussians, family moto was something like “thank God it’s Monday” back to work! Their work ethic was legendary lol
Ah what für ein great Tag wo ich Traktor driven. Now, enough Arbeit, let's gehen to Computer and play. Ah ja, Landwirtschaft-Simulator. An honest past time for an honest farmer.
There are. Sprinkled throughout the rural Midwest you'll find villages where everyone is German and at least with the older citizens they speak mostly German, I used to live near one.
As a german with some experience around the other side of the law i have to say that the german mentality around crime plays a big role as well. While the big mafias treat their criminal activities as a fulltime job the averge german criminal thinks of it more like a side gig or a hobby. And german criminals usually try to hide their activities from their families, are generally paranoid and only form very small groups if at all. Most operate alone and i think that it could play into why they diddnt make it big in organised crime.
I'd add two cultural reasons that run more deeply. You have to also consider that there really never was a German mafia in Germany, except for one kinda similar case in the 20s, and even today all larger organized crime groups in Germany are of foreign origins and most, except for some biker gangs, are exclusively staffed by foreigners. 1. Family structures in countries having huge mafias are very clan based, which isn't the case for Germany. 2. Us Germanic peoples tend to be extremely orderly, look at Scandinavia or the Netherlands for other examples.
Exactly, you simply institutionalise thugs. Make them legal, heck, make them an official party plus let them rule the country and let their friends/people of their interest run the biggest companies and get the best contracts. Like Porche, Mercedes, Hugo Boss, etc. All Nazi companies. Let this group of shady folk do all sorts of bad things so you can say later "Wir haben es nicht gewusst". So yeah I get your point, legal mafia is technically not a mafia. Cudos Germany, smart👍
Ich bin kein Deutscher, aber wenn Sie Geschichte und kulturelle soziale Struktur studieren, werden Sie verstehen, warum die Deutschen so erfolgreich sind. Alle Rassen sind gleich geschaffen, aber keine Kulturen.
Thats what i love about the germans,they critisize themself a lot!Sometimes it goes also way to far,they cant see the possitif aspects of their society!
@@kiliannietzsche170Perhaps you are forgetting that there was an East German Stasi secret agent of partial Russian ancestry named Alexander Schalck-Golodkowski who created ethnic German organized crime mafia syndicates in Switzerland for the East German Communist Party and these ethnic German organized crime syndicates were called "KoKo" or Kommerzielle Koordinierung ? Probably more than 96% of the people involved in Stasi "KoKo" organized crime organizations were ethnic Germans as far as I am aware?
Thanks for an interesting question and video. As a German I think there are two reasons: 1) As you explained most Germans preferred to live as farmers in the countryside, just as they did back home. 2) There is/was an Italian Mafia in Italy. There is was an Irish Mafia in Ireland. But there never was a real German Mafia in Germany. So it could actually not be "exported".
As an Italian, I confirm that unfortunately there still are, currently, multiple mafias in Italy. Cosa Nostra, 'Ndrangheta, Camorra, Sacra Corona Unita, Stidda... You name it.
@@altayhunoglu3552 Good question! I think it has to do with the law and order attitude of most Germans. Sure, crimes are committed but building a group to organize this is another level most Germans do not consider as acceptable.
The italians in Brazil never founded a Mafia, why? Because they were white, catholics and could easily learn Portuguese, so they were rapidly integrated into our society and actually performed better than the average. I think something similar happened with the Germans in the US, as they were white, protestants and could easily learn English, they rapidly integrated into American society.
As I German citizen, I can say that probably the main reason there was no German mafia in the US is there was no organised crime in Germany in the first place - at least not until the early 1920s. There was, however, a small number of German-Americans in Chicago who were affiliated with Bugs Moran's Irish mob, the most infamous one being Albert Kachallek, who was one of Moran's top enforcers and met his untimely end in the St. Valentines Day Massacre.
@@markusalcudia Wasn't much Sicilian or Greek crime in Australia either in spite of a sudden influx of a high number of immigrants and a significant amount of bigotry against them. I think perhaps wealth inequality also has something to do with it.
Germans never choose the easy way. They worked hard and stayed out of trouble. There was a reason they’ve chosen the vastness of the Midwest instead overcrowded city’s. Land is cheap and big, almost no competition and low chances of any kind of trouble. Makes sense when you look at it that way.
I have a hypothesis about this: organized crime tends to form among immigrant groups who come from a culture where they feel alienated from state authority. If you look at the Jewish mob, for example, it was formed entirely by Jewish immigrants from Czarist Russia, where Jews were brutalized and oppressed by the government, and not at from the Jews who had come from Germany or Western Europe, where Jews certainly faced discrimination, but did not generally regard the state as the enemy. In fact, the American Jews who had come from Central and Western Europe actively opposed the Jewish mob(s), frequently hiring private detectives to combat the Jewish mob. And you see a similar pattern with the Italian mob: it was drawn overwhelmingly from southern Italian, especially Sicilian immigrants. Sicily, of course, because it has been so frequently invaded and occupied by one conqueror after another, also developed a strong cultural tradition where the state was the enemy. Immigrants from Northern and Central Italy, by contrast, wanted nothing to do with the Italian mob. The Irish immigrants, too, were coming from a country occupied by the British in which, of course, the British state was the enemy. And you see this over and over again: when the immigrants come from a place where the state is the enemy, they come from a society where there is a powerful custom of not cooperating with state authorities. And that is what organized crime depends on. They depend on people refusing to cooperate with the police and prosecutors, i.e., state authority, because of a culture in which doing so is seen as being an informer or a snitch. The German immigrants never had that: they were overwhelmingly economic migrants coming from a country in which the state was not the enemy. So they lacked the key ingredient for a mob to be able to take hold and thrive.
Adding to this hypothesis: Being part of an opressed group in the home country probably made it neccesary to form structures in the underground like gangs or empowered structures like familys. They took this concept with them when they migrated to another country, facing opression there again.
A lot of the Germans were revolutionaries fleeing from the failed revolutions in 48. That's a big part of why so many of them volunteered to fight for the Union
@@phinhager6509 Some were, but most were not. And there is a big difference between fleeing after a single event where there might be some danger of reprisal from the authorities versus a culture that has centuries of experience of the state as the enemy.
My ancestors were Texas Germans and Ohio Germans. They were north Germans. Most German immigrants from the 1800s were north Germans. North Germans built Lutheran churches. Irish and Italian immigrants built Catholic churches. There was a strong prejudice against Catholics in the US at the time. North German immigrants faced far less discrimination than Catholic immigrants. Things got bad for German Americans during World War One. My great grandparents' record of immigration was destroyed in a courthouse fire. They were afraid they would be arrested as spies. They were very relieved when the war ended in 1918.
It has huge gaps actually: 1. Ethnic Germans also came from Switzerland and Northeast France, not just Germany. 2. Albert Einstein was a German national but he wasn't ethnic German, he was ethnic Ashkenazi Jewish. 3. Ethnic Germans in the form of the pacifist Mennonites and Amish began coming to the US in large numbers since the 1600s and 1700s, respectively, fleeing persecution from state churches and European militarism. 4. Ethnic Germans that came to the US were overwhelmingly Protestant, unlike all the other groups that formed mafias who were from religious minority backgrounds.
@@poppinc8145 Germans and the Triangular Plan (Germany, US and IMF) destroyed Bolivian economy. Looting natural resources and leaving millions of indigenous people in extreme poverty. Those Germans and Bolivian mestizos were CRIMINALS, protestants or not
Yeah but the WOKE bastard just had to bring the Nazis into the presentation. The overwhelming majority of German immigrants had nothing to do with the Nazis
All I can say as of Aryan descent my self the real reason there is no mafia in US is because the Nazi's run the USA known as "deep state". Not to mention NAZA = NASA. The real national-Socialism is a Jesuit and Illuminati hoax of slavery just as is it today in Democracy but what actually is a Technocracy and Communism mixed.
@@poppinc8145 Askenazi are today's fake jews that fled from former Khazarian Empire and want today their country back - hence the war in Ukraine. and are responsible for Hitler uprising and the word "Nazi" is their invention known only to them and few of us with eyes to see the real thing
Feli-thanks for highlighting German American. I am a native Ohioan with roots in Cincinnati and Germany. After traveling multiple times in Germany I have realized that I grew up in a relatively German area-my friend in school were Weiss, Wagner and Hoelzl. We need to promote Germans on German American Day
I had some schoolmates named Bachmann, Wassmer, Weinieke, Weygan and Ick. This was in a Philippine University which was established by the American Christian Brothers in 1911. How those guys lived and studied in the Philippines I never inquired.
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Many Jewish gangsters operated in the U.S. from around the 1920s to 1950s, with many holding on until the 2000s. I would guess that at least a fraction of them have German roots, so it’s still “Mafia” in a sense.
I'm German and that fact really impresses me. I always wondered why there was no organized "German" crime in the US even though we had so many immigrants heading there. However, the fact that we're just a "Polite and Hard-Working" society is not always correct. After WW1 Crime organisations exploded in the German cities, especially in Berlin where organized smuggling, robbing, hijacking, prostitution, murder and all kinds of mob stuff happened on daily bases. They were operating in so called independent "clubs" which all more or less co-existed amongst a certain code. Violence between the clubs was rare, since the crackdown on these Clubs was basically non-existing, in fact, they often cooperated with the government and police and some of them had legit political goals which they loved to finance. Of course when the Nazis came these Clubs were all wiped out, but it's still interesting to think that my otherwise boring country had a history of "Noire Crime".
honestly, why do Germans hate themselves so much? i couldn't imagine ever saying Germany has a "boring" history. it seems really ignorant about your own culture. like your preprogrammed hate anything "German" and to even hate the concept of being "German". cheer up bud, you didn't do anything wrong.
1. they were never considered a minority (like the British) so no discrimination 2.were wealthier/more skilled on average 3. Chose to settle in the country side vs city most of the time
"no discrimination' that's completely not true. I'm not going to be google for you are good reads - but there is plenty of documentation that goes against that.
I would say it was because they had no mafias back in they countries of origin. Prussia was notable for being a military state. Everyone took part in the army hence it was said that no mafia could be created since everyone protected each other and there was a strong nationalism and sence of community that prevented criminal groups from existing. This way of thinking can still be seen in some parts of the USA.
@@rluppi Prussia is much older and important then the Weimar Republic, Prussia existed from 1701 to 1871 and it only ended by becoming a larger empire.
I think the reason is they went west and avoided the big cities. Also unlike the Italian and the Jewish immigrants, the Protestant Americans with British ancestry probably bonded better with them. You see a lot of Americans like George W Bush and Donald Trump are a mix of British-German ancestry.
Nope, both wrong. Germans settled in big cities - they literally made up the biggest share of the population of cities such as New York and Chicago for a long time. Also the Germans had been one of the most discriminated against ethnic groups by the british-americans. The Germans mainly fought for the Union, while the British fought for the South. There literally had been riots and massacres against German-Americans several times throughout US history. German shops had been burned etc. ... Even Benjamin Franklin and other famous US leaders conducted public hate-speech against the Germans and famously nicknamed the German immigrants 'swarthy Germans' (swarthy is an old term and means 'blackish') in order to put them in the same category of Black Slaves and basically saying they would be lesser humans than the British-Americans.
Also those Mafias don't really exist because of ethnic discrimination. The russian mafia, italian mafia, albanian mafia etc. all also have a presence in their home country and even originate from there.
@@Andrij-v6k there was no such country as Germany in Benjamin Franklin's day. Even in 1775 Germans were the third or fourth largest group after English, Scottish and probably Protestant Northern Irish settlers. I said more likely to be treated better, and compared to anyone who was not British or Northern Irish, the Germans and the Dutch were treated better than other ethnic groups. The British and Germans (speaking from someone born Germany and have lived in the UK), are very similar culturally and speak related languages. Mafias are created as a result of exclusion from society. The Irish, Jews, Russians and Italians were discriminated against much worse
There are, or were huge German populations in Philadelphia, a major east coast city. There’s even a whole section of the city called “Germantown”. My ancestors moved there and were industrial workers, and they joined their german-born ancestors already here. Of course, Germans in Germany are notoriously law-abiding, so perhaps that cultural attribute played a part.
Of course there are exceptions but as he said as a whole they were less discriminated against. Germany also lacks a clan system as is found in the Jewish diaspora, Italy and Ireland. A big reason the Italian mob was so large is because Sicily already had a mafia so to export that to the urban US was easy.
@The_Gambler10 Of course. But spend any time there and you’ll be surprised at how people obey rules that they clearly don’t need to obey. In the USA, it’s different.
@@utente1489 Germans love rules and laws but if they grew up black in the projects they'd probably do the crip dance, loot n riot... Sometimes your environment makes you do things you're not supposed to do
You could probably say the same for Norwegians. Today, there are 4 million Norwegians in the USA. But all the Norwegians live around North Dakota and Minnesota. This may be because back in the day when they moved Norwegian culture was mostly just about farming and fishing. And who can have violent thoughts when just chilling by a farm or a lake?
I used to have an older co workers who had a father who was born in the US and later returned to Sweden. The coworkers grandfather was a bootlegger during the prohibition and they beat up policeman and was shoot at by police when they where running from them. So i guess it existed but was not very common at al.
@@htwtrbg1 Every form of organized crime invests its ill-gotten gains in legal businesses. At least for the purpose of money laundering, but generally also in order to position oneself broadly in the event that the illegal businesses no longer bear fruit at some point and/or become too dangerous.
Hugo Boss, men's clothing manufacturers and designers tailored these "suits" for their members in the 1940's til today. Members got zig-zags, funny looking crosses, skulls for their caps and red piping trim on the black edging. This ensemble was complete with tan , long- sleeved shirts, Sam Browne belts and silk black neckties. Knee high hobnailed black boots was the foot wear.
I have shared this before, but I remember reading an article in the Wall Street Journal years ago about how 17 different European ethnic groups fared in America. The Germans came up on top, and I think they still do today. To me this points to the importance of knowing how subcultures can direct our lives.
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 I was impressed recently when I found out that Jews just make up 0.2 % of the world population, but have won approximately 25% of the Nobel prizes. That's quite impressive. Whatever, just found the numbers astonishing
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 I believe my reply didn't make it.. Might be. I was simply impressed when I read about Jews only being about 0.2% of the world population and having won approximately 25% of all Nobel prizes. That's impressive
Given the Wall Street Journal is the Bible of WASP, Wall Street and the protestant work ethic, that’s hardly a surprise. Here’s a newsflash for you: the Chinatown Daly thinks the Chinese are number one, the Minnesota Minuteman thinks it’s the Swedes, and the Boston whateverda fuck thinks it’s the Irish.
@@katocs It was events like this, that lead to the deportation and later on killings of jews in Germany and Europe. You should read a book or two on why the Nazis went after the jews. Main reason, jewish mafia that took power in many german institutions around the world.
German mafia would be like: Hans you forgotten to fill out form A12c "Selling drugs at the docks"! Dieter! Bring me form K44c "Execution of a gang member in irrational anger."
That's racist. Wait so you're telling me all of the successes of socialist nations isn't because they're socialist, but because protestant culture hasn't been anihilated yet.
@@joekopsick1540 actually the same. This was one of the reasons why the Nazis where so succesful, the majority was following all laws and orders and even reporting people who dont.
As a descendant of German immigration to Australia, a similar thing happened here, most either went bush and became farmers or were teacher's or in the case of the area I grew up in missionary's/farmers. The LAST direct descendant of those missionary's only shut his cattle farm down 20 years ago which had been in his family since 1836 when Nundah was settled on the banks of the Kedron Brook.
On my side that left Germany, two brothers immigrated from Lower Saxony. 1 left to North Carolina and the other to Illinois right before the Civil War broke out. I descended from the Brother that went to North Carolina before the war and his son ( Great Grandpa from way back ) Was a Confederate Colonel we still have photos in the family of him in his uniform. As for the other brother from Germany, we are not sure what happened to his side after the war.
No Germans don't flip over thier comrades much more trustworthy than and less fake than any other group in the world, thier "honesty" is a chivalrous type, not a roll your people over snitch way... Modern day Germans however have been neutered because of the "chosen people" that rule Germany
Good point. Why was there never a black mafia? Correct me if i'm wrong, but African-American gangs are not really an equivalent to mafia organisations, are they?
Living in the Midwest, the German Mafia would have been very passive-aggressive, thick headed, and skeptical to do a novel idea like a Mafia. Also, uh, no cities? Chicago, St. Louis, and Minneapolis had mobs, just not German ones, apparently.
You are absolutely right, there were German run mafias operating in the Midwest at this time under one German American George Remus, who was very passive-aggressive, until the guy who arrested him started sleeping with his wife then stole all his stuff including the carpet and stones around his swimming pool, in which he just became aggressive-aggressive.
I don't think he meant the midwest didn't have any cities. They just didn't have that giant spread of metropolises of multiple cities all connected like the east coast. All of the midwest cities are spread very far apart with small villages and farm land.
John Dillinger was German American. Jimmy Hoffa was half German and half Irish. I mean, even if German Americans didn't get into organized crime the way other groups did, the few times they did they got IN the game.
There actually was a German "Mafia" in the 1920s in Berlin, called the Ringvereine. They are heavily featured in "M - Eine Stadt sucht einen Mörder". And even if they were called "Edelweiss" and such, they were NOT to be messed with.
@@paulblichmann2791No, they had their own Mafia in Weimar-Germany. It was called Banks. Today they still exist in the Anglosphere, Oligarch-Russia and France
mafias exist in cities where there are factory workers being exploited by millionaires. this does not happen in farms where someone owns their farm and their bushels of wheat get weighed on the same scale as everyone else. mafias are like unions. farming is like owning your own business, even if its small. you dont need a union/mafia when you give yourself bathroom breaks and live on your own farm
It has to do with the northern European mentality. There were also many Dutch, Danish and Swedish emigrants, but they weren't interested in something like the Mafia either.
Northern Europeans are just as prone to criminality as Southern Europeans. It's just that Southern Europeans were more organized in their criminal activities, and operated in areas where their actions would attract more attention.
That's ridiculous. Check out the Ringvereine in Weimar Germany, they basically operated as gangs like the mob. And they had their own rules and codes of conduct, much like the Mafia. Germans simply integrated better into the Wasp-dominated US. They formed gangs during the hard times of Weimar Germany instead. Also during Weimar Germany, you can consider paramilitaries like the SA as Mafia-like in many respects. They did a bunch of organized violence and crime. "Nordic" character has nothing to do with that.
Your answer lie in the very mention of the weimar republic, Germany at the time like most central european state after ww1 was in a large power struggle between 5 different movement to the oddly socialist bavaria, the monarchist holdouts in saxony, the militarist in the north, the coservatives in the south and ofc the rise of a certain austrian painter. The emergence of a powerful criminal element is to be expected in the times of anarchy and loss of centralized authority to enforce said laws.
Although primarily associated with the Irish Mob, Moran had a mixed ethnic background, including German. He was a rival of Al Capone in Chicago during Prohibition. And in the late 19th century, there was the The Boodle Gang, this gang in St. Louis included many German-Americans. They were involved in various illegal activities, including vote-rigging and political corruption.
I've pondered that question for quite a long. I knew German speaking immigrants out number nearly all other groups in the 19th century and figured most of those that came here were generally skilled farmers and craftsmen, but I like your point that they spread out in the country instead of clumping in the cities.
@@Felipe-u8p it is. We underestimate the genetical effect on our lives WIDELY. The genetics not only determine our appereance they also determine our general behaviour. You also wont find a norwegian mafia or an swedish mafia. Mafia is not what we are.
@@Felipe-u8p the mafia thing is not about the money. Its about how people generelly behave and if they think doing mafia things is "ok" or if they in general think doing mafia things is "evil" . And that comes down to the general behaviour among an ethnical group and their general behaviour is determined in their genetics. Thats also the reason why you dont find a high crime rate among germans, skandinavians and also some asian ethnical groups.
what did they achieve by this eventually what was they end goal of this? it's like asking a robot why he exists and that's why they are future they won't ask stupid questions as why should i have kids and care for them anyway
The German volk were always hard working and a very respectful people, much respect for your parents, and I hope you are following in their footsteps. The world is missing a bit more of German culture nowadays...
Germans tend to be spineless towards authority, hence why they always form great states. Lot of Germans changed their surnames to sound anglo, they tried to assimilate themselves quickly. The US was founded as an anglo-saxon nation, it's probably why germans had no issue assimilating. They did not have foreign values or honor codes. it isn't just that they worked hard, asian immigrants worked just as hard and consented to some of the most grueling labor , but they were cast out by society and some resorted to organized crime to seek opportunities. No doubt, once a German learned english, he would be trated like any other anglo. You convert your name from Mueller to Miller, who can even tell you're not american? Many german names can be anglicized because that is how english surnames first began, as Germanic names.
German American George Remus didn't bother hiding at all. He even spoke in the third person. It was his understanding of legal loopholes and shall we say police salaries that kept him from being caught, you know until he was, a really interesting guy
I never even thought about organized German crime. Your explanation makes sense but I also wonder how much of it was tied to the times as well. The 1840's was less globalized than today's economy and running crime out of rural America would be very hard to do back then
It does get a little complicated, as the lack of a German mob has a lot to do with the Germans engaged in that sort of thing typically being Jewish. This was at a time where there was no Israel or any other specific nationality for Jews, so Russians could potentially be in a Russian mob or Jewish one depending on whether or not they were Jewish. But, without a German specific mob, there would just be a Jewish mob if applicable. And these were pretty much all run along ethnic lines until recently.
In Berlin in the 1920s we had the closest thing to a german mafia. The so called "Ringvereine"...organised clubs with written regualtions, exact hirachies and courts and a well known code what kind of behavior was acceptable and what not. Ah yes..and they were all regulary registrated in the local company-register of Berlin.
An unmentioned factor is that Germans, not to imply that they didn't have tough times, were also on average more prosperous on arriving. There was literally a famine in Ireland and the Irish arrived on ships known as 'coffin ships' at that time period. In addition to having experienced the impact of famine they often used whatever they had to get a 'coffin ship' ticket. Ireland had been poor before the famine and they often lacked education; in fact there were even still people who could only speak Irish Gaelic. The original Jewish immigrants were poor in the area of the Russian Empire that is now mainly Ukraine and Belarus, and were fleeing pogroms. Southern Italy was extremely poor and by many accounts was actually harmed by Italian unification. It's perhaps not entirely that poorer people are driven to crime but also that somewhat tragically and ironically, poorer communities are more easy for criminals to victimize, even now, and even more so then. It should be noted that a large proportion of Germans were Catholic and many Irish were Protestant. It should also be noted that some immigrant nationalities assimilated extremely quickly. There was a fairly vast amount of English, Scottish and Welsh immigration, too, not as much as the groups mentioned above but plenty, but those groups tended to assimilate quickly.
Many Germans also came in the 17th century, but okay. We had a lot of wars going on, the seven years war, the revolutions, the American independence war were a lot of Germans decided to fight for the British etc. So saying they were wealthy at all, is a lie.
@@kiwitrainguype, there was a large portion of catholic Germans. Germany still has a large portion of catholics, even more than protestants. I grew up in the south of Germany and most people I know are catholic, not protestant. 42% of Germans have no religion, 24% are catholic and 22% protestant
Wow, I’m 33 and of German descent, my grandparents on dad’s side are from Leipzig and mother’s from Hamburg. I’ve been wondering this exact thing since I was a young kid and started watching The Sopranos and mafia movies (still watching and listening, The Sitdown with Jeff Nadu).
Never has the question came up in my mind until it was brought up here 💡. But yeah Germans are too smart. They don't need that shit. Only German background gangster I could think of is Dutch Schultz
Hab ich mich auch immer gefragt, warum es eigentlich keine deutsche Mafia gibt... aber: ein Hauptgrund ist wohl, dass der Michel eigentlich apolitisch ist, solange ihm man machen lässt.
Germans are very big on rule following. In Germany, expect the possibility of someone notifying the proper authorities if you so much as put the wrong item in the wrong waste basket. An illicit mafia that to peddle illegal substances is not in line with German culture.
@@saitylmaz5414 "It's about their culture" is a weird take. There was plenty of crime in Germany. Plenty in the own Government. So why not a Mafia specifically? Clearly not because we do less crime. That doesn't add up.
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Throughout history there has been mutual benefiting between government and the underworld. High time they are seriously bringing up the JFK and RFK murders again. Many mafias involved/--Irish, Jewish, Italian, Southern bigots…..
@@CrimsonAlchemist Germans had to work hard. They had been discriminated against for most of their history in the US. Maybe read a book or two? One of the most discriminated groups to be exact.
German were a large part of Texas history and many immigrated there so much so many of our towns have German names especially between San Antonio and Austin in and around central Texas in the hill country. President LBJ is a descendant of the early German immigrants to Texas. Even more so it is a large portion of Texas history taught to Texans in public school. But you are right the Germans in the Midwest are not largely aware even now connected with the Germans down south or out west. Additionally you missed the Russian communities in Washington Oregon and Victoria or the Jewish communities in Denver. Interesting patterns
Simple. Germans have a work ethic and believe in order and rules. Pride in their hard work and belief in the results makes criminal activity beneath them. It’s part of their character. Italians don’t have the same character. Looking for an easier way to make money. Hard work and deferred gratification is not endemic to Italians. Even today in Europe Germany is very productive and economically successful compared to Italy.
As a German i believe that a big factor is culture ! I am from Baden-Württemberg. And these people are very law abiding people , almost to fault ! #ww2 The froun upon illicit activity (generally)
They are still waiting for the entry into the Handelsregister which would allow them to act in behalf of their criminal organization with limited liability. Should happen any minute now...
The analysis is interesting and I believe it has a significant cultural aspect. Italians, Russians, Poles, and Mexicans have mafias in their home countries. I've never heard of German organized crime apart from the Third Reich. But there's also a point to consider, Germans settled in the best lands of the USA. They were never marginalized from society, they were on their lands, farming. In fact, if you look at a map of the most fertile lands and observe where German migration is located, it's almost a perfect match.
There is no real mafia organization in Poland. But the state was always an enemy of most od the citizens. One of the commets here describes this hypothesis.
So wealthy people are more honest? Maybe not more honest, but less likely to commit crime. But that implies a ladk of causal relation between honesty and criminal behavior.
In germany we have big crime organisations, who are comparable with the Italian Mafia in the states. But mostly they are runned by immigrants from the Middle East. Like their Italian Counterparts they are organized in big families (Großfamilien) and are involved in the typical crimes
There had been German organized crime in Germany after World War 1, the Ringvereine, but the Nazis abolshied them in 1934, and they were not revived after World War 2.
Very insightful, thanks. Another factor could be that Germany evolved out of a bunch of different Kingdoms, Principalities and City States. Inter-German mobility wasn't nearly as high as it is today and even today it is not too common to move between states and cities during a lifetime than it is in countries as the USA. There were and still are differences in politics, culture, language and religion between southern Germany, northern Germany and eastern Germany. Large cities like Berlin, Hamburg, Cologne or Munich did have their criminal organisations indeed, documented in stories, movies and criminal records. However they did not spread beyond their natural boundaries. At the end of the 19th centruy, the Austrian capital of Vienna had actual no-go zones ruled by crimelords where police would only enter with company or regiment strength if at all. Another factor would be that in the formative period of organised crime that went along with industrialization, Germans did not face the kind of oppression as the Irish, Sicilians, Poles or Russians did in their home countries. If they did form large scale organisations they mostly were political either within the legal spectrum at the time or outside. They saw more prospect to better their lots politically than by criminal means. That said, the Nazi Party also started as a shadowy orginisation and Communists, Social Democrats, Catholics and at some point plain Democrats found themselves outside of the law and persecuted to various extend.
That regional split is the same for Italy though. Some Italian mafia in the US also followed those regional divisions. Yet no Bavarian, Palatine, or Schwabian mafias in the US :)
(german here) 1. There is no paper for that. 2. It would take too long to kill an enemy in another city. If they go by car, there would be Staus and Baustellen everywhere, and if they go by Deutsche Bahn the train would be even later (or wouldn`t come at all). 3. We have professional spies in every village, called "Grandmas". They usually hang out the windows in the streets, and they recognize EVERYTHING. They would immediately know. 🙃
yes that’s the case - grandmas have the full overview 😂 I always say to my family - if you are bad - I am not cooking for you - I always win 😊 Love from an austrian Grandma 🇦🇹
As a man with a German grandmother on my mother's side, she carried the tradition in her small farm town in upstate ny. The women were as fast as the internet at spreading information
My theory is there were a handful of German mafias but they never lasted more than 11 months. They always got decimated by the other mafias in October for some reason.
Actually, ChatGPT gave me a pretty good answer: The absence of a significant German mafia in the history of the United States can be attributed to several factors: 1. **Integration and Assimilation:** German immigrants, who started arriving in large numbers in the mid-19th century, were generally well-integrated into American society. They often settled in rural areas and established themselves as farmers, merchants, and skilled workers. Their relatively smooth assimilation into mainstream society reduced the need for ethnic-based organized crime groups. 2. **Community Structure:** The German-American community was characterized by a strong sense of social cohesion and support. They formed numerous social clubs, mutual aid societies, and cultural organizations that provided support to new immigrants, reducing the necessity for criminal enterprises to fulfill these roles. 3. **Timing of Immigration Waves:** German immigration peaked before the era of Prohibition, a time when many other ethnic mafias, particularly the Italian Mafia, gained power by controlling illegal alcohol distribution. By the time Prohibition began in 1920, the German-American community was already well-established and integrated, unlike newer immigrant groups who were more marginalized and turned to organized crime as a means of economic survival. 4. **Law Enforcement and Cultural Attitudes:** German-Americans generally had a strong respect for law and order, influenced by their cultural background. This respect for legal processes further diminished the propensity for forming criminal organizations. 5. **Economic Opportunities:** German immigrants often had better economic opportunities upon arrival compared to other immigrant groups. They were able to find work and integrate into the economic fabric of the U.S. more readily, reducing the socioeconomic pressures that often lead to the formation of organized crime groups. In summary, the combination of successful integration, strong community support structures, timing of immigration, cultural attitudes towards law, and better economic opportunities helped prevent the emergence of a German mafia in the United States.
I believe it was because unlike the other immigrant groups, Germans didnt face discrimination upon arrival. They were also already in America with sizable population during the american revolution. In fact you could say that England is America's mother and Germany is her father. Thus the Germans didn't have to deal with alot of the issues that other immigrants had to deal with when emigrating to America.
Germans suffered almost any kind of discrimination in US.... to the poin that many of them changed their name. Schneider became Taylor, Schmidt became Smith, and so on... There were even CAMPS of "re-education" for germans, yet in the 19th century.
Other than that there was discrimination, can you name any other country, with german immigrants, that were discriminated against, where a german Mafia was found?
Because they were protestants. There were of course many German Catholics, but because Americans associated all Germans with protestant Germans there was no persecution. There also was never a Swedish mafia, a Scottish mafia or a Dutch mafia, because they were known as protestants.
@Changeur2009yeah. French were also Protestants. Not to mention Chinese gangs. They weren’t Protestants too? Filipinos were Protestants as well. So were Spanish. It’s not one factor.
@@lc9245 The French were Catholics. Yes, there's not only one factor, there are two, protestant and white. All the rest were discriminated against, therefore were more easily swept to organized crime.
@@maavet2351 It doesn't make sense that Italians, Irish, Poles are white Catholics yet they form gangs but French, Spanish and Austrian who are also white and Catholics don't? On the other hand, among the non-white, only Japanese migrants didn't form any notable ethnic organised crime in America. How do you explain the Japanese exception despite them being discriminated just the same as the Chinese and even put into internment camps? Race and religions weren't the only factors. Come on now. Just looking at waves of migrants from China in the 19th/20th century. They were always discriminated but only after WW2 did Chinese gangs became a thing. That alone should show that it's not simple "discrimination" that would lead to gang in all cases.
Extrêmement intéressant. Bravo !! À Montréal, les Allemands n'ont jamais été regroupés en communauté contrairement aux Italiens, (Petite Italie), aux Grecs, (Ave Du Parc), aux Juifs Hassidiques, (Outremont est), Haïtiens, ( Montréal-Nord), Portugais (St-Laurent et Napoléon).
Very interesting topic! My 2¢ on this: 1¢: Were German immigrants more rural than the Irish? It seems like Ireland was mostly very rural until practically the 21st century, but the stereotypical Irish-American immigrant settled in Boston or New York, not Iowa or Indiana. 2¢: One topic that seems to be omitted from this analysis is the role of German-Americans in labor organizing. The Haymarket protests that was the setting for the bombing and rioting (and which led to the commemoration of May Day as a labor / socialist holiday) was largely organized through German-language newspapers. Could it be that labor unions took the role that a "mafia" would for other ethnic groups, at least in terms of offering protection? 3¢: You mentioned the '48ers - my understanding is that they were a well-educated and often financially successful group of immigrants. Did their success help bolster the status of German-Americans in general? Or did some of them perhaps even use their wealth to aid other German immigrants in integrating into American society?
1. You need capitol to start a farm. Germans came with the small capitol needed to buy land in the west. Post famine Irish was destitute and only had their labor to sell. 2. Good point. 3. 48ers fled the suppression after 1848 uprisings in Europe. They were the cream of the social movement in Europe. The Govenor of Wisconsin during the civil war was on the barricades in Berlin during 1848.
After and during ww2 Germans all around the world faced discrimination. Even if they weren’t Nazis. I mean that still happens today. It’s the text book insult anyone is hurling our way as soon as they realize we are German. Especially in video games. It’s lazy and unoriginal.
2:00 Germany wasn't one country and didn't really have one language for the most part in history. When my grand grand father was draftet into WW1 in the palatinate (the palatinate was a vasall/part of bavaria, another german state) he had to serve toggether with bavarians which he couldn't understand. Even now, with some dialects its hard to understand what people are talking about.
Something that I don't believe that was mentioned was that Germany didn't become a united country until 1871 so for many of them they wouldn't have the shared history other ethnic groups had. The only thing they might have in common was language, but then they'd have that in common with Austrians.
Well, Italy also wasn't fully united until 1871, with Sicily (the place where most of the italian mafia comes from) entering the kingdom in 1861. The Italian Mafia is actually the Sicilian Mafia, so it wouldn't be impossible back then for the German Mafia to be the Bremen Mafia or something.
German national identity was very much a thing. A common language was usually the trademark of this. Not to mention that German waves of immigration often came from the same region at a specific time, so they wouldn't just be German, but mostly be from the Palatinate for example.
@@floodgates182I dont know where old land is - maybe Pfalz West of line (Grünstadt - Kirchheimbolanden) but the seed was not to Mafia but to ----> Amish ! 😳
Interesting video. Mayor La Guardia of New York had a Jewish mother and could speak fluent Yiddish. He granted the German American Bund permission to hold a rally in Madison Square Garden in 1939. He did this because he believed in the Constitution and free speech. Wikipedia brags up his Jewish connection but ZERO on his approving the rally and why. You have to search it out.
There was a large German population in suburban and even urban NYC to the point where this rally had popular support over support for the war (likely, even after Pearl Harbor.) The Bünd fought a war of subterfuge and terror with jewish groups for several years that is seldom covered either. Alas the sheer number of the latter is why the former no longer demonstrated publicly, nor prevented the government from bombing Germany.
@@antonioreconquistador Great. But that does not change that La Guardia believed in the Constitutional Right of free speech for everyone. A concept that seems unusual today.
@@neosildrake I agree. I liked DeSantis until he flew to Israel and while there signed a law ending free speech in Florida to please those guys. A Florida group was handing out fliers telling the names of persons who headed important U.S. financial institutions - which was not appreciated by all. DeSantis violated the Constitution thus he is not fit for Presidential Office.
@@josephbingham1255 His campaign also used fake Trump/Fauci images under the title Real Life Trump, making it out as if it was reality. Not that I don't appreciate 99% of what DeSantis did in Florida, but some things are just an absolute No Go. If Trump or anyone came out with deep fakes labeling then real pictures or vids, I would be pissed at them as well. That is not to say that some things can't be done (see memes), but it has to be clearly labeled and/or be recognizable as fake/satire/fiction/etc.
Close-knit (German) religious communities like the Hutterites, Mennonites, Amish, etc... may also have something to do with it. Mafias are essentially close-knit communities that happen to do crime (hence their other name: "organized" crime), so these religious communities offered the same type of social model, without needing the "crime" component. Obviously, the Nazi party also provided such type of community option in its time.
as if crime happened just because people are bored and they need something to bond with others "hey you guys, wanna start kidnapping or killing or something"
The Germans never resorted to organized crime because the Germans never had the same kind of headwinds against their immigration. Largely protestant and having similar customs to the English, the objections raised to the Irish, Italians and Jewish simply didn't come up. There was no Swedish mafia either, you'll note.
I think culture is the key factor. Clan based structures was actively removed from Germany by the church and institutions provided services so loyalty was to god and country rather than extended family structures (clans) and nepotism. Residues of clan culture in Celtic areas and southern Italy combined with external pressure = mafia
something to that effect recently where the moment the Roman Catholic Church banned inter cousins marriage, the clan structure was disintegrated.. now how they did that ? really don't know do you just tell people "hey you can't marry your cousin anymore"
Thats the reason the mafia is in south italia and not in the north. Because the north war part of the german holy "roman" empire and the clan culture were there removed too. The same in northern france or in czech.
Well we have Families Like Hohenzollern for example... Friedrich von Preußen who still own castles or culture treasures Like paintings .but still try to Charge in court to get Public proberty Back to Family proberty ... Böhmermann hat nen guten Beitrag dazu gemacht:)
@@DB-pp7kj Why are they useless? They are useful in that they represent a sound, they just represent an entirely different sound than how it was pronounced.
I think it has to do with cultural views on instant vs delayed gratification. A culture that doesn't emphasize delayed gratification will produce more criminals.
People usually dont know that so many american people have german roots because in the two world wars talking german in the public was forbidden in the US. So thats why german americans lost their roots. Also many americans with german roots changed their last name to sound more american. Like "Eisenhauer" to "Eisenhower".
You ain't been to the Texas hill country? New Braunfels or Fredericksburg. The place where Schlitterbahn was born. Also the place where the concentration camp for NYC Germans was during WW II.
I think there may also be a cultural issue. Germans try to work within the system rather against it or next to it. In Germany is very little corruption, since what in other countries is done with money transfer, is often done by providing powerful positions to fellows or relatives that grant exorbitant payment without including high risks or responsibilities. Another way is to grant lucrative contracts without expecting anything to be delivered ever.
That's not really true if you look at Weimar Germany. The Brown Shirts, Communists and gangs of many kinds. The truth is, the Germans, Norwegians and many other immigrants that did experience major discrimination and racism were able to easier integrate into American society than Jewish, Irish or Italian immigrants who originally were barred from a lot of social mobility in the US. On top of that Germans largely created rural tight knit communities where crime really wasn't that possible or needed.
@@Flamme-Sanabi its also not true. there is a huge network of corruption existing in germany around basically all of the big partys, especially the green party who is in charge of the government together with the social democratic and the free democratic party. but its called "lobbying" or nepotism and its also not illegal.
@@Flamme-Sanabi Verglichen mit dem rest der Welt, ist die Korruption in Deutschland gar nichts. Ich bin selber Kurdin mit Migrationshintergrund aus der Türkei, habe dadurch den Großteil meiner Kindheit in der Türkei verbracht, kann dadurch aus erster Hand sagen das Mann es nichtmal vergleichen kann so groß ist der Unterschied. Ich kann aber auch Verstehen das man als Deutscher, die Korruption in Deutschland viel verstiegener wahrnimmt daher mann ja nie ein anderes Beispiel für extremere Korruption erlebt/gesehen hat.
There was no German mafia/gangs in the UK either. There was a lot of German immigration to the UK in the 19th and 20th century, including some of my ancestors. My family are also Jewish though. My great grandfather changed his name to sound more English, spoke perfect English, got rid of his accent and completely flew under the radar when Germans were interned during both World Wars. Nobody actually knew he was from Germany. He even worked making weapons for both wars to help the British. Nobody knew. 😂
A German mafia? That would be some VERY organized crime.
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Well The Nazis and the gestapo did operate as such
Fun fact: Crime was very organized in Berlin of the 1920s! Gangsters founded clubs (Ringvereine) and officially registered these clubs in the register of associations (Vereinsregister)! There were up to 60 clubs that counted for about 1600 members in the late 1920s according to an article of Spiegel magazine (2020)! "Ring Berlin" was their top level association. "Always Faithful", "Federal Association of former convicts" or "German Oak" were such clubs. They were abolished by the National Socialists in 1934.
Very true the the phrase “It’s nothing personal, it’s just business.”
@@lmvr127 Gestapo were more like thugs, the Sicherheitsdienst were much more organized.
We organize our crime so well, that it’s just legal.
Considering Rockefeller was original German, that is true.
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Rotschild, Warburg etc also
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Germans don’t form mafias. They form companies
Yupp, for the food market for example, like Heinz. Or they invented stuff, like Singer invented the sewing machine. Or they invented stuff, primarily for the military and the Nasa that changed the world forever. There was literally no need to become a criminal organization.
They form standarten
The Nazis were a big company.
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Why form a mafia when you can monopolize Insulin. #thinksmart
No German has ever completed the necessary paperwork to organize a mafia.
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When a communist revolution in Germany was a very definite prospect just after the first world War, Lenin commented that German revolutionaries wouldn't even take over a train station without buying platform tickets first.
As a German I can say we don't have the time and nerves for such a Firlefanz.
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very simple: a mafia would be illegal
Fucking kids too
But Germans are known to do it more often that other Central Europe countries.
Also, Germany has plenty of Mafias, just not from it's own country.
between Hannover and Bielefeld alone if you got the eye for it, you clearly see it
As of Italy, there are two types of Mafia. The real one, very scary BUT Also very needed in Italy. Because of them, terrorism isn't really a thing in Italy.
Then there is the "Naple type" of Mafia. A kind of a joke for Italians. Basically the same as the "biker gangs" around the world.
When a German commits a crime you can be fairly sure he probably found away to make it legal.
or in other words, because the germans were the ones who read the terms and conditions
ja.
What about if the government does it?
A very important point was also that German immigrants entered the U.S. mostly as skilled workers with a vocational training as carpenters, brick layers, blacksmiths etc. which made them rather popular on the labor market. They didn't have to turn to a life of crime because even when they weren't academics they were set up for a successful life. The perspectives looked a little differently for the Irish for example when they came to America.
Thanks for this observation! I was thinking along these lines myself, because my grandfathers didn't fall into any of the categories that BostWiki mentioned (farmers, intellectuals, or Nazis). My grandfathers (all my grandparents were German immigrants in the late 20s) were Tool & Die makers, and as such, fall neatly into your category of skilled workers with vocational training.
Interesting that you had a family example right at hand. Hope their trade helped them to settle fast.
The Germans, in fact, mostly were the "skilled workers" that are - allegedly - and spoonfed to us, coming from the Middle East and Africa now, because we have to little here in Germany. Who ever believes that, I wonder...
Random: Most of the casualties in Jamestown in 1618 & 1622 were indentured servants from Germany & Poland, they were all skilled. Glassblowers, wheelwrights, blacksmiths, etc etc.
Its there. Its only called the government.
My dad’s German side of the family, East Prussians, family moto was something like “thank God it’s Monday” back to work! Their work ethic was legendary lol
Gott sei Dank es ist Montag. Zurück an die Arbeit!
@@beelzeszelor some people just enjoy working because their work fulfills them?
@@beelzeszelWhat wrong with you 😂 ?
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Ah what für ein great Tag wo ich Traktor driven. Now, enough Arbeit, let's gehen to Computer and play. Ah ja, Landwirtschaft-Simulator. An honest past time for an honest farmer.
A German mafia would require you to fill out hundreds of pages in paperwork, just to become an associate.
Ve'll make you an offer you can't understand ja?
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@@avibhagan and fax them proof of it, even in the year 2024y
Imagine if there were still German village exclaves.
Driving through middle America, and then passing through a German village.
Could this not still happen in Texas? I heard about the term “Texas Germans”, so you might get lucky on this one.
There are. Sprinkled throughout the rural Midwest you'll find villages where everyone is German and at least with the older citizens they speak mostly German, I used to live near one.
The Amish are such enclaves.
In south america there are exist maybe even common!
PA Dutch are kinda like that (German, not dutch, despite the name). Assimilated but still very culturally German
First rule of German Mafia: There is no German Mafia
True that - they were nearly fight clubs in the 1920/1930's. Boxing Clubs and such..
What about the Finanzamt?
@@Jay-cr6kj we don't talk about that
but motorcycle clubs
@@fish29 GEZ will find you anyway
German1: let’s make a mafia.
German2: that’s impossible. It’s illegal.
And as every German knows, illegal activities are forbidden.
As a german with some experience around the other side of the law i have to say that the german mentality around crime plays a big role as well. While the big mafias treat their criminal activities as a fulltime job the averge german criminal thinks of it more like a side gig or a hobby. And german criminals usually try to hide their activities from their families, are generally paranoid and only form very small groups if at all. Most operate alone and i think that it could play into why they diddnt make it big in organised crime.
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Very true. That’s why Germany doesn’t have the same level of gang culture as other countries
@@ivanc9087 time's are changing ;)
The classic German seems to be an Einzelgaenger.
I'd add two cultural reasons that run more deeply. You have to also consider that there really never was a German mafia in Germany, except for one kinda similar case in the 20s, and even today all larger organized crime groups in Germany are of foreign origins and most, except for some biker gangs, are exclusively staffed by foreigners.
1. Family structures in countries having huge mafias are very clan based, which isn't the case for Germany.
2. Us Germanic peoples tend to be extremely orderly, look at Scandinavia or the Netherlands for other examples.
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Sehr vereinfacht und auch von Vorurteilen geprägt, sind auch nicht die Gründe warum es wirklich so ist.
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Exactly, you simply institutionalise thugs. Make them legal, heck, make them an official party plus let them rule the country and let their friends/people of their interest run the biggest companies and get the best contracts. Like Porche, Mercedes, Hugo Boss, etc. All Nazi companies. Let this group of shady folk do all sorts of bad things so you can say later "Wir haben es nicht gewusst". So yeah I get your point, legal mafia is technically not a mafia. Cudos Germany, smart👍
Ich bin kein Deutscher, aber wenn Sie Geschichte und kulturelle soziale Struktur studieren, werden Sie verstehen, warum die Deutschen so erfolgreich sind. Alle Rassen sind gleich geschaffen, aber keine Kulturen.
as a german: if there is no complicated bureaucratic process to join it, it does not exist for us.
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Thats what i love about the germans,they critisize themself a lot!Sometimes it goes also way to far,they cant see the possitif aspects of their society!
@@kiliannietzsche170Perhaps you are forgetting that there was an East German Stasi secret agent of partial Russian ancestry named Alexander Schalck-Golodkowski who created ethnic German organized crime mafia syndicates in Switzerland for the East German Communist Party and these ethnic German organized crime syndicates were called "KoKo" or Kommerzielle Koordinierung ? Probably more than 96% of the people involved in Stasi "KoKo" organized crime organizations were ethnic Germans as far as I am aware?
Thanks for an interesting question and video. As a German I think there are two reasons: 1) As you explained most Germans preferred to live as farmers in the countryside, just as they did back home. 2) There is/was an Italian Mafia in Italy. There is was an Irish Mafia in Ireland. But there never was a real German Mafia in Germany. So it could actually not be "exported".
True.
Some of the 'hits' that RAF got blamed for in the 80s, thats where I think one could start talking about a German mob
As an Italian, I confirm that unfortunately there still are, currently, multiple mafias in Italy. Cosa Nostra, 'Ndrangheta, Camorra, Sacra Corona Unita, Stidda... You name it.
So the question is reduced to: “Why has there never been a German mafia even in the fatherland”
@@altayhunoglu3552 Good question! I think it has to do with the law and order attitude of most Germans. Sure, crimes are committed but building a group to organize this is another level most Germans do not consider as acceptable.
The italians in Brazil never founded a Mafia, why? Because they were white, catholics and could easily learn Portuguese, so they were rapidly integrated into our society and actually performed better than the average. I think something similar happened with the Germans in the US, as they were white, protestants and could easily learn English, they rapidly integrated into American society.
So what excuse did the Irish have?
@@otfriedschellhas3581 Being born catholic was their only curse as the protestant Americans saw them as idol worshippers
@@otfriedschellhas3581They were Catholic, for one. And the Americans were of Anglo-Saxon descent.
@@somerandofilipino6957a lot of Germans are catholic
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Hard to form a mafia when you basically avoid everyone 😂
As I German citizen, I can say that probably the main reason there was no German mafia in the US is there was no organised crime in Germany in the first place - at least not until the early 1920s.
There was, however, a small number of German-Americans in Chicago who were affiliated with Bugs Moran's Irish mob, the most infamous one being Albert Kachallek, who was one of Moran's top enforcers and met his untimely end in the St. Valentines Day Massacre.
Germans don't need mafias. They have companies (Bayern, Volkswagen...)
@@M86KIA you definitely have a point there. I mean, there was no Scandinavian mafia in the USA either
@@markusalcudia Wasn't much Sicilian or Greek crime in Australia either in spite of a sudden influx of a high number of immigrants and a significant amount of bigotry against them. I think perhaps wealth inequality also has something to do with it.
@@vergonzoso4085 less criminal than Google, Meta, Apple, Twitter, Microsoft and Oracle.
@@user-zn4tp9fu3z that's interesting. I need to look it up
Germans never choose the easy way. They worked hard and stayed out of trouble. There was a reason they’ve chosen the vastness of the Midwest instead overcrowded city’s. Land is cheap and big, almost no competition and low chances of any kind of trouble. Makes sense when you look at it that way.
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Germans were never marginalized here, thus never had the pressure to form a resistance to the economic system
Being a Mafia wasn't even an Easy way. You gotta look out for your shoulder unless people like John Gotti would shot you in front of restaurant.
The germans stayed out of trouble, did they...
@@gregserenade6653 wrong, they faced discrimination during the first and second world wars
I have a hypothesis about this: organized crime tends to form among immigrant groups who come from a culture where they feel alienated from state authority. If you look at the Jewish mob, for example, it was formed entirely by Jewish immigrants from Czarist Russia, where Jews were brutalized and oppressed by the government, and not at from the Jews who had come from Germany or Western Europe, where Jews certainly faced discrimination, but did not generally regard the state as the enemy. In fact, the American Jews who had come from Central and Western Europe actively opposed the Jewish mob(s), frequently hiring private detectives to combat the Jewish mob. And you see a similar pattern with the Italian mob: it was drawn overwhelmingly from southern Italian, especially Sicilian immigrants. Sicily, of course, because it has been so frequently invaded and occupied by one conqueror after another, also developed a strong cultural tradition where the state was the enemy. Immigrants from Northern and Central Italy, by contrast, wanted nothing to do with the Italian mob. The Irish immigrants, too, were coming from a country occupied by the British in which, of course, the British state was the enemy. And you see this over and over again: when the immigrants come from a place where the state is the enemy, they come from a society where there is a powerful custom of not cooperating with state authorities. And that is what organized crime depends on. They depend on people refusing to cooperate with the police and prosecutors, i.e., state authority, because of a culture in which doing so is seen as being an informer or a snitch. The German immigrants never had that: they were overwhelmingly economic migrants coming from a country in which the state was not the enemy. So they lacked the key ingredient for a mob to be able to take hold and thrive.
Adding to this hypothesis: Being part of an opressed group in the home country probably made it neccesary to form structures in the underground like gangs or empowered structures like familys. They took this concept with them when they migrated to another country, facing opression there again.
@@NeurosenkavalierEmilSinclair Yes, that's an excellent point.
A lot of the Germans were revolutionaries fleeing from the failed revolutions in 48. That's a big part of why so many of them volunteered to fight for the Union
@@phinhager6509 Some were, but most were not. And there is a big difference between fleeing after a single event where there might be some danger of reprisal from the authorities versus a culture that has centuries of experience of the state as the enemy.
All Js form a big mafia/cartel though.
My ancestors were Texas Germans and Ohio Germans. They were north Germans. Most German immigrants from the 1800s were north Germans. North Germans built Lutheran churches.
Irish and Italian immigrants built Catholic churches. There was a strong prejudice against Catholics in the US at the time. North German immigrants faced far less discrimination than Catholic immigrants.
Things got bad for German Americans during World War One. My great grandparents' record of immigration was destroyed in a courthouse fire. They were afraid they would be arrested as spies. They were very relieved when the war ended in 1918.
Wow, interesting.
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As a German myself I must say, this was indeed very informative and interesting! Thanks for researching and presenting the data.
It has huge gaps actually:
1. Ethnic Germans also came from Switzerland and Northeast France, not just Germany.
2. Albert Einstein was a German national but he wasn't ethnic German, he was ethnic Ashkenazi Jewish.
3. Ethnic Germans in the form of the pacifist Mennonites and Amish began coming to the US in large numbers since the 1600s and 1700s, respectively, fleeing persecution from state churches and European militarism.
4. Ethnic Germans that came to the US were overwhelmingly Protestant, unlike all the other groups that formed mafias who were from religious minority backgrounds.
@@poppinc8145 Germans and the Triangular Plan (Germany, US and IMF) destroyed Bolivian economy. Looting natural resources and leaving millions of indigenous people in extreme poverty. Those Germans and Bolivian mestizos were CRIMINALS, protestants or not
Yeah but the WOKE bastard just had to bring the Nazis into the presentation. The overwhelming majority of German immigrants had nothing to do with the Nazis
All I can say as of Aryan descent my self the real reason there is no mafia in US is because the Nazi's run the USA known as "deep state". Not to mention NAZA = NASA.
The real national-Socialism is a Jesuit and Illuminati hoax of slavery just as is it today in Democracy but what actually is a Technocracy and Communism mixed.
@@poppinc8145 Askenazi are today's fake jews that fled from former Khazarian Empire and want today their country back - hence the war in Ukraine. and are responsible for Hitler uprising and the word "Nazi" is their invention known only to them and few of us with eyes to see the real thing
Came here for the comments and I was not disappointed.
In der Tat! 😄
Feli-thanks for highlighting German American. I am a native Ohioan with roots in Cincinnati and Germany. After traveling multiple times in Germany I have realized that I grew up in a relatively German area-my friend in school were Weiss, Wagner and Hoelzl. We need to promote Germans on German American Day
I had some schoolmates named Bachmann, Wassmer, Weinieke, Weygan and Ick. This was in a Philippine University which was established by the American Christian Brothers in 1911. How those guys lived and studied in the Philippines I never inquired.
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Many Jewish gangsters operated in the U.S. from around the 1920s to 1950s, with many holding on until the 2000s. I would guess that at least a fraction of them have German roots, so it’s still “Mafia” in a sense.
@@robertonavarro7713there were German Colonies until 1918...
@@gregor-samsa not in the philippines
I'm German and that fact really impresses me. I always wondered why there was no organized "German" crime in the US even though we had so many immigrants heading there.
However, the fact that we're just a "Polite and Hard-Working" society is not always correct. After WW1 Crime organisations exploded in the German cities, especially in Berlin where organized smuggling, robbing, hijacking, prostitution, murder and all kinds of mob stuff happened on daily bases. They were operating in so called independent "clubs" which all more or less co-existed amongst a certain code. Violence between the clubs was rare, since the crackdown on these Clubs was basically non-existing, in fact, they often cooperated with the government and police and some of them had legit political goals which they loved to finance. Of course when the Nazis came these Clubs were all wiped out, but it's still interesting to think that my otherwise boring country had a history of "Noire Crime".
You certainly has organized crime during the years 1933-1945. It was called Nazism!
and then the national socialists came it was removed
Daily bases should be daily basis
The german organised Crime is called a Verein...
honestly, why do Germans hate themselves so much? i couldn't imagine ever saying Germany has a "boring" history. it seems really ignorant about your own culture. like your preprogrammed hate anything "German" and to even hate the concept of being "German". cheer up bud, you didn't do anything wrong.
1. they were never considered a minority (like the British) so no discrimination
2.were wealthier/more skilled on average
3. Chose to settle in the country side vs city most of the time
Bull💩
They outlawed speaking German in Louisiana
The ships carrying Germans that arrived in Louisiana in 1800’s had to sell themselves into indentured servitude
And speaking German was outlawed
Well summarized. And look what those genius American Progressives got after they turned anti-German in 1917: this infamous Gangsterland of the 1920s.
"no discrimination' that's completely not true. I'm not going to be google for you are good reads - but there is plenty of documentation that goes against that.
I would say it was because they had no mafias back in they countries of origin. Prussia was notable for being a military state. Everyone took part in the army hence it was said that no mafia could be created since everyone protected each other and there was a strong nationalism and sence of community that prevented criminal groups from existing. This way of thinking can still be seen in some parts of the USA.
Also in Germany the family structure is smaler than in many other countries. Only parents, grandparents and first grade relatives are seen as family.
Are we talking about the same pathetic and bankrupt Weimar Republic?
Earlier then 1918 I can understand, but after it not so much.
@@rluppi Google Prussia and be surprised - had nothing to do with your Weimar Republic
@@rluppi Wasn't this rectified in '33?
@@rluppi Prussia is much older and important then the Weimar Republic, Prussia existed from 1701 to 1871 and it only ended by becoming a larger empire.
I think the reason is they went west and avoided the big cities. Also unlike the Italian and the Jewish immigrants, the Protestant Americans with British ancestry probably bonded better with them. You see a lot of Americans like George W Bush and Donald Trump are a mix of British-German ancestry.
Or being Catholic makes you a mafia. I knew it, the pope was behind it.
Nope, both wrong. Germans settled in big cities - they literally made up the biggest share of the population of cities such as New York and Chicago for a long time.
Also the Germans had been one of the most discriminated against ethnic groups by the british-americans. The Germans mainly fought for the Union, while the British fought for the South. There literally had been riots and massacres against German-Americans several times throughout US history. German shops had been burned etc. ... Even Benjamin Franklin and other famous US leaders conducted public hate-speech against the Germans and famously nicknamed the German immigrants 'swarthy Germans' (swarthy is an old term and means 'blackish') in order to put them in the same category of Black Slaves and basically saying they would be lesser humans than the British-Americans.
Also those Mafias don't really exist because of ethnic discrimination. The russian mafia, italian mafia, albanian mafia etc. all also have a presence in their home country and even originate from there.
@@Andrij-v6k there was no such country as Germany in Benjamin Franklin's day. Even in 1775 Germans were the third or fourth largest group after English, Scottish and probably Protestant Northern Irish settlers. I said more likely to be treated better, and compared to anyone who was not British or Northern Irish, the Germans and the Dutch were treated better than other ethnic groups. The British and Germans (speaking from someone born Germany and have lived in the UK), are very similar culturally and speak related languages. Mafias are created as a result of exclusion from society. The Irish, Jews, Russians and Italians were discriminated against much worse
@@roberw1912 No maffia is not a product of exclusion from society. You make it seem like maffia is suppressed, victims.
It's so well organized that no one knows about it.
Alternate take: It was actually known as the Naz!s
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1- their similarity to anglo saxons
2- they moved mostly to rural areas
3- German culture doesnt have gangs or mafias
Yah their jus evil themselves
Germans are Lawful Good, but when they go evil - they go full spectrum evil.
@@rickycoverrubias6176define evil
@@bol4death any germanic people
There are, or were huge German populations in Philadelphia, a major east coast city.
There’s even a whole section of the city called “Germantown”.
My ancestors moved there and were industrial workers, and they joined their german-born ancestors already here.
Of course, Germans in Germany are notoriously law-abiding, so perhaps that cultural attribute played a part.
majority in the usa have german blood
Of course there are the rotten one too🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ but the heavy majority is law-abiding
Of course there are exceptions but as he said as a whole they were less discriminated against. Germany also lacks a clan system as is found in the Jewish diaspora, Italy and Ireland. A big reason the Italian mob was so large is because Sicily already had a mafia so to export that to the urban US was easy.
@The_Gambler10 Of course. But spend any time there and you’ll be surprised at how people obey rules that they clearly don’t need to obey. In the USA, it’s different.
@@utente1489 Germans love rules and laws but if they grew up black in the projects they'd probably do the crip dance, loot n riot... Sometimes your environment makes you do things you're not supposed to do
You could probably say the same for Norwegians.
Today, there are 4 million Norwegians in the USA.
But all the Norwegians live around North Dakota and Minnesota.
This may be because back in the day when they moved Norwegian culture was mostly just about farming and fishing.
And who can have violent thoughts when just chilling by a farm or a lake?
Most italian immigrants were farmers and fishermen so its not about that, like the video said its more about living in the big cities
@@triarii217 if you say so. but italia had mafia problems long before italians moved to usa. there was never a norwegian mafia.
But the Swedes had some mobsters en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Lundin
I used to have an older co workers who had a father who was born in the US and later returned to Sweden. The coworkers grandfather was a bootlegger during the prohibition and they beat up policeman and was shoot at by police when they where running from them. So i guess it existed but was not very common at al.
@@jomar_sl Yes but I was not talking about that. And most immigrants being farmers is a fact, not me saying so.
Well there was ONE German Mafia. They had the nicest tailored suits, even more so than the Italians, but they all moved to Argentina after 1945.
Some also moved to the USA to help with its rocket program, for example.
@@marcromain64 the ones that had actual trades of course, turns out shouting and murder aren't very marketable.
@@htwtrbg1 Every form of organized crime invests its ill-gotten gains in legal businesses. At least for the purpose of money laundering, but generally also in order to position oneself broadly in the event that the illegal businesses no longer bear fruit at some point and/or become too dangerous.
Hugo Boss, men's clothing manufacturers and designers tailored these "suits" for their members in the 1940's til today. Members got zig-zags, funny looking crosses, skulls for their caps and red piping trim on the black edging. This ensemble was complete with tan , long- sleeved shirts, Sam Browne belts and silk black neckties. Knee high hobnailed black boots was the foot wear.
and to Paraguay...!
They didn't get the paperwork approved to found the Organisiertekriminalitätsverein e.V.
You made my day!
GmBH.
Leave it german to write “OrganisierteKriminalitätsverein” for “mafia”
I have shared this before, but I remember reading an article in the Wall Street Journal years ago about how 17 different European ethnic groups fared in America. The Germans came up on top, and I think they still do today.
To me this points to the importance of knowing how subcultures can direct our lives.
Not sure if you‘d define European Jews as an ethnic group. However, they‘re probably the most successful
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 I was impressed recently when I found out that Jews just make up 0.2 % of the world population, but have won approximately 25% of the Nobel prizes. That's quite impressive. Whatever, just found the numbers astonishing
@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 I believe my reply didn't make it.. Might be. I was simply impressed when I read about Jews only being about 0.2% of the world population and having won approximately 25% of all Nobel prizes. That's impressive
Given the Wall Street Journal is the Bible of WASP, Wall Street and the protestant work ethic, that’s hardly a surprise. Here’s a newsflash for you: the Chinatown Daly thinks the Chinese are number one, the Minnesota Minuteman thinks it’s the Swedes, and the Boston whateverda fuck thinks it’s the Irish.
"People who know how to march were facing people who know how to hurt" that's a good quote
In other words. A peaceful meeting was attacked by thugs.
Or... A bunch of foreigner infiltrators marching to change our country beaten by a bunch of foreigner's who already did. Lots of ways to look at it.
@@HolgerLovesMusic In a descriptive sense thats true, doesn't mean it wasn't well deserved and justified
@@katocs It was events like this, that lead to the deportation and later on killings of jews in Germany and Europe.
You should read a book or two on why the Nazis went after the jews.
Main reason, jewish mafia that took power in many german institutions around the world.
@@HolgerLovesMusic A peaceful meeting whose members supported genocide.
German mafia would be like:
Hans you forgotten to fill out form A12c "Selling drugs at the docks"!
Dieter! Bring me form K44c "Execution of a gang member in irrational anger."
"Why was there no German mafia"?
"VE ASK ZE QVESTIONS [slap]"
As a german i would actually say there is just way less of a cultural acceptance for crime.
Really? Germany has double the reported crimes of Italy. Who started 2 WW's?
Definitely. Ordnung muss sein!
That's racist. Wait so you're telling me all of the successes of socialist nations isn't because they're socialist, but because protestant culture hasn't been anihilated yet.
What happened 1939-1945
@@joekopsick1540 actually the same. This was one of the reasons why the Nazis where so succesful, the majority was following all laws and orders and even reporting people who dont.
As a descendant of German immigration to Australia, a similar thing happened here, most either went bush and became farmers or were teacher's or in the case of the area I grew up in missionary's/farmers. The LAST direct descendant of those missionary's only shut his cattle farm down 20 years ago which had been in his family since 1836 when Nundah was settled on the banks of the Kedron Brook.
wo kommen wir her? Egal, wir sind Nundah.
why did he do this? people choose inhumane life in cities like being brainwashed
Lots of Germans went to South Australia...
On my side that left Germany, two brothers immigrated from Lower Saxony. 1 left to North Carolina and the other to Illinois right before the Civil War broke out. I descended from the Brother that went to North Carolina before the war and his son ( Great Grandpa from way back ) Was a Confederate Colonel we still have photos in the family of him in his uniform. As for the other brother from Germany, we are not sure what happened to his side after the war.
Their last name was Stein, but after they arrived at Ellis Island they change it to Stines to sound more American.
They are far too adherent to the law. They'd immediately turn themselves and the whole operation in
No Germans don't flip over thier comrades much more trustworthy than and less fake than any other group in the world, thier "honesty" is a chivalrous type, not a roll your people over snitch way... Modern day Germans however have been neutered because of the "chosen people" that rule Germany
The biggest mafia is never called a mafia. It’s called a government.
So true.
If only more people saw that.
Sure can t deny that.
Kinda, yeah. Mafia is a competitor on the governance market.
for us black people, we just did destructive inefficient de-organized crime and destroyed our communities as a result of it.
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Good point. Why was there never a black mafia? Correct me if i'm wrong, but African-American gangs are not really an equivalent to mafia organisations, are they?
@@rev8419 Sheeeit.
Leaving centuires of segregation and slavery out of your statement would lead you to that conclusion
@@surfacepro3328 Always, always, always the victim. Fine, be a victim for the rest of your life, it's such a convenient excuse in 2023.
Living in the Midwest, the German Mafia would have been very passive-aggressive, thick headed, and skeptical to do a novel idea like a Mafia. Also, uh, no cities? Chicago, St. Louis, and Minneapolis had mobs, just not German ones, apparently.
You are absolutely right, there were German run mafias operating in the Midwest at this time under one German American George Remus, who was very passive-aggressive, until the guy who arrested him started sleeping with his wife then stole all his stuff including the carpet and stones around his swimming pool, in which he just became aggressive-aggressive.
I don't think he meant the midwest didn't have any cities. They just didn't have that giant spread of metropolises of multiple cities all connected like the east coast. All of the midwest cities are spread very far apart with small villages and farm land.
That would be illegal and we don't do crime.
Based
You don’t do petty crimes, just crimes against humanity
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@@Chrysobubulle If you're gonna do a crime, make it worth your time
Forgetting World War II, aren't we?
John Dillinger was German American.
Jimmy Hoffa was half German and half Irish.
I mean, even if German Americans didn't get into organized crime the way other groups did, the few times they did they got IN the game.
Jimmy Hoffa as an example?
Dutch Schultz was a German Jewish gangster.Also quite a few Germans joined the North Side Gang an Irish Polish gang to fight the Italian gangs.
There actually was a German "Mafia" in the 1920s in Berlin, called the Ringvereine. They are heavily featured in "M - Eine Stadt sucht einen Mörder". And even if they were called "Edelweiss" and such, they were NOT to be messed with.
Were they actually Jewish?
@@paulblichmann2791 No they were groups of former convicts
@@paulblichmann2791No, they had their own Mafia in Weimar-Germany. It was called Banks. Today they still exist in the Anglosphere, Oligarch-Russia and France
@@paulblichmann2791 I dont think so. They had an strict code of honour. Something ..well not specific jewish
mafias exist in cities where there are factory workers being exploited by millionaires.
this does not happen in farms where someone owns their farm and their bushels of wheat get weighed on the same scale as everyone else.
mafias are like unions.
farming is like owning your own business, even if its small. you dont need a union/mafia when you give yourself bathroom breaks and live on your own farm
Can confirm: I have a German last name and have never once joined the mafia.
Funny that your last name is trouble/unrest 😅
💯👍 nice ; p
It has to do with the northern European mentality. There were also many Dutch, Danish and Swedish emigrants, but they weren't interested in something like the Mafia either.
Northern Europeans are just as prone to criminality as Southern Europeans. It's just that Southern Europeans were more organized in their criminal activities, and operated in areas where their actions would attract more attention.
Northern European genetics*
They're just superior to w. 0p$.
That's ridiculous. Check out the Ringvereine in Weimar Germany, they basically operated as gangs like the mob. And they had their own rules and codes of conduct, much like the Mafia. Germans simply integrated better into the Wasp-dominated US. They formed gangs during the hard times of Weimar Germany instead. Also during Weimar Germany, you can consider paramilitaries like the SA as Mafia-like in many respects. They did a bunch of organized violence and crime. "Nordic" character has nothing to do with that.
Your answer lie in the very mention of the weimar republic, Germany at the time like most central european state after ww1 was in a large power struggle between 5 different movement to the oddly socialist bavaria, the monarchist holdouts in saxony, the militarist in the north, the coservatives in the south and ofc the rise of a certain austrian painter.
The emergence of a powerful criminal element is to be expected in the times of anarchy and loss of centralized authority to enforce said laws.
that's racist as fuck
Although primarily associated with the Irish Mob, Moran had a mixed ethnic background, including German. He was a rival of Al Capone in Chicago during Prohibition. And in the late 19th century, there was the The Boodle Gang, this gang in St. Louis included many German-Americans. They were involved in various illegal activities, including vote-rigging and political corruption.
I've pondered that question for quite a long. I knew German speaking immigrants out number nearly all other groups in the 19th century and figured most of those that came here were generally skilled farmers and craftsmen, but I like your point that they spread out in the country instead of clumping in the cities.
Its a genetically thing in my opinion
@@googlestinkt5184 no it's not
@@Felipe-u8p it is. We underestimate the genetical effect on our lives WIDELY. The genetics not only determine our appereance they also determine our general behaviour. You also wont find a norwegian mafia or an swedish mafia. Mafia is not what we are.
@@googlestinkt5184 Germans inmigrants had money didn't need the mafia thing and anglo-saxon culture factor and they were protestants not catholics.
@@Felipe-u8p the mafia thing is not about the money. Its about how people generelly behave and if they think doing mafia things is "ok" or if they in general think doing mafia things is "evil" .
And that comes down to the general behaviour among an ethnical group and their general behaviour is determined in their genetics.
Thats also the reason why you dont find a high crime rate among germans, skandinavians and also some asian ethnical groups.
Being of German heritage I can say my parents worked tirelessly everyday and respected the law.
what did they achieve by this eventually
what was they end goal of this?
it's like asking a robot why he exists
and that's why they are future
they won't ask stupid questions as why should i have kids and care for them anyway
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The German volk were always hard working and a very respectful people, much respect for your parents, and I hope you are following in their footsteps. The world is missing a bit more of German culture nowadays...
Germans tend to be spineless towards authority, hence why they always form great states. Lot of Germans changed their surnames to sound anglo, they tried to assimilate themselves quickly. The US was founded as an anglo-saxon nation, it's probably why germans had no issue assimilating. They did not have foreign values or honor codes. it isn't just that they worked hard, asian immigrants worked just as hard and consented to some of the most grueling labor , but they were cast out by society and some resorted to organized crime to seek opportunities. No doubt, once a German learned english, he would be trated like any other anglo. You convert your name from Mueller to Miller, who can even tell you're not american? Many german names can be anglicized because that is how english surnames first began, as Germanic names.
So do Italian American s some of the hardest working and respectful people I’ve ever met
German Mafia is so well organized, it was never discovered.
but... wouldn't that make it easier to find?
German American George Remus didn't bother hiding at all. He even spoke in the third person. It was his understanding of legal loopholes and shall we say police salaries that kept him from being caught, you know until he was, a really interesting guy
😂 yeah, we call our Mafia "government" in german 😂
Haha nah germans do what they are told more than others so easily controlled
The "kosha Nostra" that name sounds like parody tbh... :,D
I never even thought about organized German crime. Your explanation makes sense but I also wonder how much of it was tied to the times as well. The 1840's was less globalized than today's economy and running crime out of rural America would be very hard to do back then
It does get a little complicated, as the lack of a German mob has a lot to do with the Germans engaged in that sort of thing typically being Jewish. This was at a time where there was no Israel or any other specific nationality for Jews, so Russians could potentially be in a Russian mob or Jewish one depending on whether or not they were Jewish. But, without a German specific mob, there would just be a Jewish mob if applicable. And these were pretty much all run along ethnic lines until recently.
In Berlin in the 1920s we had the closest thing to a german mafia. The so called "Ringvereine"...organised clubs with written regualtions, exact hirachies and courts and a well known code what kind of behavior was acceptable and what not. Ah yes..and they were all regulary registrated in the local company-register of Berlin.
And were crushed when the Nazis came to power. A lot of the members of the Ringvereine were send into concentration camps and didn’t survive it.
So you are saying that the German mafias are the home owner associations? It all makes sense now
Sounds like the historical Yakuza where it's a job as much as a organisation.
Just in Berlin?
I mean yea, don't want to do anything illegal when running your gang.
They are orderly, straight forward, hardworking, cultured and a descent class people. Respect to 🇩🇪
What culture?
@@_blank-_ you'd be surprised but we germans do have culture lol. Ever heard of Göthe or Beethoven?
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Do you know who named america? No? Well, wouldn't you be surprised.
@@cantinadudes my all-time favourite band is Rammstein, even my music is influenced by them, and I'm not a German
@@cantinadudes can we add Adolf Hitler? or is he Austrian (doesn't count).
what do you think taxes are nowadays?
German Mafia is everywhere. Never asked yourself who operates the traffic lights?
An unmentioned factor is that Germans, not to imply that they didn't have tough times, were also on average more prosperous on arriving. There was literally a famine in Ireland and the Irish arrived on ships known as 'coffin ships' at that time period. In addition to having experienced the impact of famine they often used whatever they had to get a 'coffin ship' ticket. Ireland had been poor before the famine and they often lacked education; in fact there were even still people who could only speak Irish Gaelic. The original Jewish immigrants were poor in the area of the Russian Empire that is now mainly Ukraine and Belarus, and were fleeing pogroms. Southern Italy was extremely poor and by many accounts was actually harmed by Italian unification.
It's perhaps not entirely that poorer people are driven to crime but also that somewhat tragically and ironically, poorer communities are more easy for criminals to victimize, even now, and even more so then.
It should be noted that a large proportion of Germans were Catholic and many Irish were Protestant.
It should also be noted that some immigrant nationalities assimilated extremely quickly. There was a fairly vast amount of English, Scottish and Welsh immigration, too, not as much as the groups mentioned above but plenty, but those groups tended to assimilate quickly.
Many Germans also came in the 17th century, but okay. We had a lot of wars going on, the seven years war, the revolutions, the American independence war were a lot of Germans decided to fight for the British etc. So saying they were wealthy at all, is a lie.
"Germans were Catholic and many Irish were Protestant" - I think you have those the wrong way round.
@@kiwitrainguype, there was a large portion of catholic Germans. Germany still has a large portion of catholics, even more than protestants. I grew up in the south of Germany and most people I know are catholic, not protestant.
42% of Germans have no religion, 24% are catholic and 22% protestant
@@loen2629 thats true but most of the german immigrants came to the us from northern Germany which is and was predominantly protestant
@@DUD3H0WD4R3U In the video he said they were mostly from the South lol
Wow, I’m 33 and of German descent, my grandparents on dad’s side are from Leipzig and mother’s from Hamburg. I’ve been wondering this exact thing since I was a young kid and started watching The Sopranos and mafia movies (still watching and listening, The Sitdown with Jeff Nadu).
Did/Do your grandparents had a job and do you? So you know… you don’t need to become criminal if you have other choices
Never has the question came up in my mind until it was brought up here 💡. But yeah Germans are too smart. They don't need that shit.
Only German background gangster I could think of is Dutch Schultz
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Hab ich mich auch immer gefragt, warum es eigentlich keine deutsche Mafia gibt... aber: ein Hauptgrund ist wohl, dass der Michel eigentlich apolitisch ist, solange ihm man machen lässt.
Germans are very big on rule following. In Germany, expect the possibility of someone notifying the proper authorities if you so much as put the wrong item in the wrong waste basket. An illicit mafia that to peddle illegal substances is not in line with German culture.
It’s about their culture,the Germans were family friendly people,they went to church and they raised their children right.They were nice people!
Disagreed.
@@eliasvonbrilleClown.
@@eliasvonbrille why?
@@saitylmaz5414 "It's about their culture" is a weird take.
There was plenty of crime in Germany. Plenty in the own Government.
So why not a Mafia specifically?
Clearly not because we do less crime. That doesn't add up.
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I lost it when you used the famous fraudsters as visual aids to embody each crime.
1. Elizabeth Holmes - Drug Running
2. Sam Bankman Fried - Gambling
3. Prostitution - Andrew Tate
4. Racketeering - Takashi 69
Throughout history there has been mutual benefiting between government and the underworld. High time they are seriously bringing up the JFK and RFK murders again. Many mafias involved/--Irish, Jewish, Italian, Southern bigots…..
"Every minority..." That's why. Haha
Germans are of a swarthy complexion if you ask Benjamin Franklin.
Exactly lol. They were the top dogs in US
@@CrimsonAlchemist Germans had to work hard. They had been discriminated against for most of their history in the US. Maybe read a book or two? One of the most discriminated groups to be exact.
You overlooked Texas where a many German immigrants opposed slavery and their dialect still tenuously survives.
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No dummy
Some were swarthy
Germans are better
German were a large part of Texas history and many immigrated there so much so many of our towns have German names especially between San Antonio and Austin in and around central Texas in the hill country. President LBJ is a descendant of the early German immigrants to Texas. Even more so it is a large portion of Texas history taught to Texans in public school. But you are right the Germans in the Midwest are not largely aware even now connected with the Germans down south or out west. Additionally you missed the Russian communities in Washington Oregon and Victoria or the Jewish communities in Denver. Interesting patterns
Simple. Germans have a work ethic and believe in order and rules. Pride in their hard work and belief in the results makes criminal activity beneath them. It’s part of their character. Italians don’t have the same character. Looking for an easier way to make money. Hard work and deferred gratification is not endemic to Italians. Even today in Europe Germany is very productive and economically successful compared to Italy.
Bingo, criminal activity in German culture is synonymous with vagabonds and bums.
As a German i believe that a big factor is culture ! I am from Baden-Württemberg.
And these people are very law abiding people , almost to fault ! #ww2
The froun upon illicit activity (generally)
that's their good and worst side...
snitching on neighbours is in nordic blood
they hate freedom so much
Too bad the present day German government doesn t feel the same way
more so than northern Germans?
They are still waiting for the entry into the Handelsregister which would allow them to act in behalf of their criminal organization with limited liability. Should happen any minute now...
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The analysis is interesting and I believe it has a significant cultural aspect. Italians, Russians, Poles, and Mexicans have mafias in their home countries. I've never heard of German organized crime apart from the Third Reich. But there's also a point to consider, Germans settled in the best lands of the USA. They were never marginalized from society, they were on their lands, farming. In fact, if you look at a map of the most fertile lands and observe where German migration is located, it's almost a perfect match.
There is no real mafia organization in Poland. But the state was always an enemy of most od the citizens. One of the commets here describes this hypothesis.
@@midlife_harmony there are football hooligans who are running most of prostitution and drug businesses and are behind most of the extortions.
So wealthy people are more honest? Maybe not more honest, but less likely to commit crime. But that implies a ladk of causal relation between honesty and criminal behavior.
In germany we have big crime organisations, who are comparable with the Italian Mafia in the states. But mostly they are runned by immigrants from the Middle East. Like their Italian Counterparts they are organized in big families (Großfamilien) and are involved in the typical crimes
There had been German organized crime in Germany after World War 1, the Ringvereine, but the Nazis abolshied them in 1934, and they were not revived after World War 2.
We gotta get you a new backdrop haha love the video keep it up!
Very insightful, thanks. Another factor could be that Germany evolved out of a bunch of different Kingdoms, Principalities and City States. Inter-German mobility wasn't nearly as high as it is today and even today it is not too common to move between states and cities during a lifetime than it is in countries as the USA. There were and still are differences in politics, culture, language and religion between southern Germany, northern Germany and eastern Germany.
Large cities like Berlin, Hamburg, Cologne or Munich did have their criminal organisations indeed, documented in stories, movies and criminal records. However they did not spread beyond their natural boundaries. At the end of the 19th centruy, the Austrian capital of Vienna had actual no-go zones ruled by crimelords where police would only enter with company or regiment strength if at all.
Another factor would be that in the formative period of organised crime that went along with industrialization, Germans did not face the kind of oppression as the Irish, Sicilians, Poles or Russians did in their home countries. If they did form large scale organisations they mostly were political either within the legal spectrum at the time or outside. They saw more prospect to better their lots politically than by criminal means. That said, the Nazi Party also started as a shadowy orginisation and Communists, Social Democrats, Catholics and at some point plain Democrats found themselves outside of the law and persecuted to various extend.
That regional split is the same for Italy though. Some Italian mafia in the US also followed those regional divisions. Yet no Bavarian, Palatine, or Schwabian mafias in the US :)
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1. There is no paper for that.
2. It would take too long to kill an enemy in another city. If they go by car, there would be Staus and Baustellen everywhere, and if they go by Deutsche Bahn the train would be even later (or wouldn`t come at all).
3. We have professional spies in every village, called "Grandmas". They usually hang out the windows in the streets, and they recognize EVERYTHING. They would immediately know.
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yes that’s the case - grandmas have the full overview 😂
I always say to my family - if you are bad - I am not cooking for you - I always win 😊
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As a man with a German grandmother on my mother's side, she carried the tradition in her small farm town in upstate ny. The women were as fast as the internet at spreading information
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My theory is there were a handful of German mafias but they never lasted more than 11 months. They always got decimated by the other mafias in October for some reason.
Octoberfest?
Oktoberfest is in September
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Actually, ChatGPT gave me a pretty good answer:
The absence of a significant German mafia in the history of the United States can be attributed to several factors:
1. **Integration and Assimilation:** German immigrants, who started arriving in large numbers in the mid-19th century, were generally well-integrated into American society. They often settled in rural areas and established themselves as farmers, merchants, and skilled workers. Their relatively smooth assimilation into mainstream society reduced the need for ethnic-based organized crime groups.
2. **Community Structure:** The German-American community was characterized by a strong sense of social cohesion and support. They formed numerous social clubs, mutual aid societies, and cultural organizations that provided support to new immigrants, reducing the necessity for criminal enterprises to fulfill these roles.
3. **Timing of Immigration Waves:** German immigration peaked before the era of Prohibition, a time when many other ethnic mafias, particularly the Italian Mafia, gained power by controlling illegal alcohol distribution. By the time Prohibition began in 1920, the German-American community was already well-established and integrated, unlike newer immigrant groups who were more marginalized and turned to organized crime as a means of economic survival.
4. **Law Enforcement and Cultural Attitudes:** German-Americans generally had a strong respect for law and order, influenced by their cultural background. This respect for legal processes further diminished the propensity for forming criminal organizations.
5. **Economic Opportunities:** German immigrants often had better economic opportunities upon arrival compared to other immigrant groups. They were able to find work and integrate into the economic fabric of the U.S. more readily, reducing the socioeconomic pressures that often lead to the formation of organized crime groups.
In summary, the combination of successful integration, strong community support structures, timing of immigration, cultural attitudes towards law, and better economic opportunities helped prevent the emergence of a German mafia in the United States.
Rural southern Germans and culturally protestant? Uhm...
I believe it was because unlike the other immigrant groups, Germans didnt face discrimination upon arrival. They were also already in America with sizable population during the american revolution. In fact you could say that England is America's mother and Germany is her father. Thus the Germans didn't have to deal with alot of the issues that other immigrants had to deal with when emigrating to America.
Germans suffered almost any kind of discrimination in US.... to the poin that many of them changed their name.
Schneider became Taylor, Schmidt became Smith, and so on...
There were even CAMPS of "re-education" for germans, yet in the 19th century.
Germans faced plenty of discrimination. Have a look at this: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_racial_violence_in_the_United_States
because it matters for the question how much a demographic feels discriminated
Other than that there was discrimination, can you name any other country, with german immigrants, that were discriminated against, where a german Mafia was found?
@@zunamisan1068 *wants to feel
Because they were protestants.
There were of course many German Catholics, but because Americans associated all Germans with protestant Germans there was no persecution.
There also was never a Swedish mafia, a Scottish mafia or a Dutch mafia, because they were known as protestants.
there were plenty of dutch pirates tho
@@ernstschmidt4725 that's different
@Changeur2009yeah. French were also Protestants. Not to mention Chinese gangs. They weren’t Protestants too? Filipinos were Protestants as well. So were Spanish.
It’s not one factor.
@@lc9245 The French were Catholics.
Yes, there's not only one factor, there are two, protestant and white. All the rest were discriminated against, therefore were more easily swept to organized crime.
@@maavet2351 It doesn't make sense that Italians, Irish, Poles are white Catholics yet they form gangs but French, Spanish and Austrian who are also white and Catholics don't?
On the other hand, among the non-white, only Japanese migrants didn't form any notable ethnic organised crime in America. How do you explain the Japanese exception despite them being discriminated just the same as the Chinese and even put into internment camps?
Race and religions weren't the only factors. Come on now. Just looking at waves of migrants from China in the 19th/20th century. They were always discriminated but only after WW2 did Chinese gangs became a thing. That alone should show that it's not simple "discrimination" that would lead to gang in all cases.
Extrêmement intéressant. Bravo !!
À Montréal, les Allemands n'ont jamais été regroupés en communauté contrairement aux Italiens, (Petite Italie), aux Grecs, (Ave Du Parc), aux Juifs Hassidiques, (Outremont est), Haïtiens, ( Montréal-Nord), Portugais (St-Laurent et Napoléon).
This video deserves more views
Very interesting topic! My 2¢ on this:
1¢: Were German immigrants more rural than the Irish? It seems like Ireland was mostly very rural until practically the 21st century, but the stereotypical Irish-American immigrant settled in Boston or New York, not Iowa or Indiana.
2¢: One topic that seems to be omitted from this analysis is the role of German-Americans in labor organizing. The Haymarket protests that was the setting for the bombing and rioting (and which led to the commemoration of May Day as a labor / socialist holiday) was largely organized through German-language newspapers. Could it be that labor unions took the role that a "mafia" would for other ethnic groups, at least in terms of offering protection?
3¢: You mentioned the '48ers - my understanding is that they were a well-educated and often financially successful group of immigrants. Did their success help bolster the status of German-Americans in general? Or did some of them perhaps even use their wealth to aid other German immigrants in integrating into American society?
1. You need capitol to start a farm. Germans came with the small capitol needed to buy land in the west. Post famine Irish was destitute and only had their labor to sell.
2. Good point.
3. 48ers fled the suppression after 1848 uprisings in Europe. They were the cream of the social movement in Europe. The Govenor of Wisconsin during the civil war was on the barricades in Berlin during 1848.
No. 2 was huge. And culturally interesting as well.
my grandfather moved from Germany, he faced discrimination in Wisconsin, it was right after ww2 so it wasn't too unreasonable
After and during ww2 Germans all around the world faced discrimination. Even if they weren’t Nazis.
I mean that still happens today. It’s the text book insult anyone is hurling our way as soon as they realize we are German. Especially in video games.
It’s lazy and unoriginal.
With Milwaukee 70% German how did they notice him?
@@nancyjanzen5676 He still wore the Swastika-armband, that's why!
2:00 Germany wasn't one country and didn't really have one language for the most part in history.
When my grand grand father was draftet into WW1 in the palatinate (the palatinate was a vasall/part of bavaria, another german state) he had to serve toggether with bavarians which he couldn't understand.
Even now, with some dialects its hard to understand what people are talking about.
The man with the mustache was born in Austria but he always considered himself Bavarian, not Austrian, that was just a nationality.
Something that I don't believe that was mentioned was that Germany didn't become a united country until 1871 so for many of them they wouldn't have the shared history other ethnic groups had. The only thing they might have in common was language, but then they'd have that in common with Austrians.
Well, Italy also wasn't fully united until 1871, with Sicily (the place where most of the italian mafia comes from) entering the kingdom in 1861. The Italian Mafia is actually the Sicilian Mafia, so it wouldn't be impossible back then for the German Mafia to be the Bremen Mafia or something.
German national identity was very much a thing. A common language was usually the trademark of this. Not to mention that German waves of immigration often came from the same region at a specific time, so they wouldn't just be German, but mostly be from the Palatinate for example.
@@aquelacoiso6684except for Sicily is mostly and Mafia is from countryside and Bremen was a Big Town since middle ages.
@@gregor-samsaWell, then the Harz mafia if you like, or the Old Land Mafia or the Schwarzwald Mafia.
@@floodgates182I dont know where old land is - maybe Pfalz West of line (Grünstadt - Kirchheimbolanden) but the seed was not to Mafia but to ----> Amish ! 😳
Interesting video.
Mayor La Guardia of New York had a Jewish mother and could speak fluent Yiddish. He granted the German American Bund permission to hold a rally in Madison Square Garden in 1939. He did this because he believed in the Constitution and free speech. Wikipedia brags up his Jewish connection but ZERO on his approving the rally and why. You have to search it out.
There was a large German population in suburban and even urban NYC to the point where this rally had popular support over support for the war (likely, even after Pearl Harbor.) The Bünd fought a war of subterfuge and terror with jewish groups for several years that is seldom covered either. Alas the sheer number of the latter is why the former no longer demonstrated publicly, nor prevented the government from bombing Germany.
@@antonioreconquistador Great. But that does not change that La Guardia believed in the Constitutional Right of free speech for everyone. A concept that seems unusual today.
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Free speech is the most important thing for a free country, because without freedom of speech you'll have no free country.
@@neosildrake I agree. I liked DeSantis until he flew to Israel and while there signed a law ending free speech in Florida to please those guys. A Florida group was handing out fliers telling the names of persons who headed important U.S. financial institutions - which was not appreciated by all. DeSantis violated the Constitution thus he is not fit for Presidential Office.
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His campaign also used fake Trump/Fauci images under the title Real Life Trump, making it out as if it was reality. Not that I don't appreciate 99% of what DeSantis did in Florida, but some things are just an absolute No Go. If Trump or anyone came out with deep fakes labeling then real pictures or vids, I would be pissed at them as well. That is not to say that some things can't be done (see memes), but it has to be clearly labeled and/or be recognizable as fake/satire/fiction/etc.
Close-knit (German) religious communities like the Hutterites, Mennonites, Amish, etc... may also have something to do with it. Mafias are essentially close-knit communities that happen to do crime (hence their other name: "organized" crime), so these religious communities offered the same type of social model, without needing the "crime" component. Obviously, the Nazi party also provided such type of community option in its time.
Cause Italians and Jewish don't have close knit religious communities
as if crime happened just because people are bored and they need something to bond with others
"hey you guys, wanna start kidnapping or killing or something"
Nonsense there’s a lot of hidden crime in these Amish etc communities especially to
Young women
Just well
Hidden
Enter the Amish mafia:
Instead of kidnapping people for ransom, they just build barns around them really fast to capture them.
The Germans never resorted to organized crime because the Germans never had the same kind of headwinds against their immigration. Largely protestant and having similar customs to the English, the objections raised to the Irish, Italians and Jewish simply didn't come up. There was no Swedish mafia either, you'll note.
those memes for racketering and gambling got you a new follower, nice hahaha
This was indeed a thought provoking question I had never seen anyone ask
I think culture is the key factor. Clan based structures was actively removed from Germany by the church and institutions provided services so loyalty was to god and country rather than extended family structures (clans) and nepotism. Residues of clan culture in Celtic areas and southern Italy combined with external pressure = mafia
something to that effect recently where the moment the Roman Catholic Church banned inter cousins marriage, the clan structure was disintegrated.. now how they did that ? really don't know do you just tell people "hey you can't marry your cousin anymore"
Thats the reason the mafia is in south italia and not in the north. Because the north war part of the german holy "roman" empire and the clan culture were there removed too. The same in northern france or in czech.
@@xxklesx1 oh thanks for that.. the protetant church removed clan structure in Czech? (also)?
Well we have Families Like Hohenzollern for example... Friedrich von Preußen who still own castles or culture treasures Like paintings .but still try to Charge in court to get Public proberty Back to Family proberty ... Böhmermann hat nen guten Beitrag dazu gemacht:)
@@xxklesx1 thats Not true holy Roman Empire was more of an alliance of different Kingdoms and duchys than a united German state
Fascinating bro. Great video
That pronunciation of Dietrich was like pulling chalk on the board backwards.
It's not our fault our forefathers decided to spell everything with useless letters in this language.
@@DB-pp7kj Why are they useless? They are useful in that they represent a sound, they just represent an entirely different sound than how it was pronounced.
That's why Germans are the nation Bosnians respect and like the most. Greetings from Bosnia and Herzegovina.
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I think it has to do with cultural views on instant vs delayed gratification. A culture that doesn't emphasize delayed gratification will produce more criminals.
The backdrop makes it look as if this fella is living in an Executive Pillow Fort
Great video though...
This was something id never thought of before. Thanks, this was really interesting.
People usually dont know that so many american people have german roots because in the two world wars talking german in the public was forbidden in the US. So thats why german americans lost their roots. Also many americans with german roots changed their last name to sound more american. Like "Eisenhauer" to "Eisenhower".
Good, other ethnic groups should be forced to do the same.
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@@m1ccey ja zum Glück bei dem 😅
You ain't been to the Texas hill country? New Braunfels or Fredericksburg. The place where Schlitterbahn was born.
Also the place where the concentration camp for NYC Germans was during WW II.
I think there may also be a cultural issue. Germans try to work within the system rather against it or next to it. In Germany is very little corruption, since what in other countries is done with money transfer, is often done by providing powerful positions to fellows or relatives that grant exorbitant payment without including high risks or responsibilities. Another way is to grant lucrative contracts without expecting anything to be delivered ever.
That's not really true if you look at Weimar Germany. The Brown Shirts, Communists and gangs of many kinds.
The truth is, the Germans, Norwegians and many other immigrants that did experience major discrimination and racism were able to easier integrate into American society than Jewish, Irish or Italian immigrants who originally were barred from a lot of social mobility in the US. On top of that Germans largely created rural tight knit communities where crime really wasn't that possible or needed.
Little Corruption-? My bad, it was just a surprise to read.
@@Flamme-Sanabi its also not true. there is a huge network of corruption existing in germany around basically all of the big partys, especially the green party who is in charge of the government together with the social democratic and the free democratic party. but its called "lobbying" or nepotism and its also not illegal.
@@Flamme-Sanabi Compared to other countries it's true
@@Flamme-Sanabi Verglichen mit dem rest der Welt, ist die Korruption in Deutschland gar nichts. Ich bin selber Kurdin mit Migrationshintergrund aus der Türkei, habe dadurch den Großteil meiner Kindheit in der Türkei verbracht, kann dadurch aus erster Hand sagen das Mann es nichtmal vergleichen kann so groß ist der Unterschied. Ich kann aber auch Verstehen das man als Deutscher, die Korruption in Deutschland viel verstiegener wahrnimmt daher mann ja nie ein anderes Beispiel für extremere Korruption erlebt/gesehen hat.
I had that same thought a while back. Thank you for answering some questions.
There was no German mafia/gangs in the UK either. There was a lot of German immigration to the UK in the 19th and 20th century, including some of my ancestors. My family are also Jewish though. My great grandfather changed his name to sound more English, spoke perfect English, got rid of his accent and completely flew under the radar when Germans were interned during both World Wars. Nobody actually knew he was from Germany. He even worked making weapons for both wars to help the British. Nobody knew. 😂