Everyone involved in this mess is just plain nuts. Bat shit crazy. They should all be prosecuted. I don't know how they can possibly live with themselves. Disgusting, evil, people.
@@PhD72 LDS WOMEN FROM UTAH TALK LIKE THIS. DRIVES ME NUTS. SWEET AND CLOSER TO GOD. i KNOW PEOPLE WOULD TALK LKE THIS AND GET SOFT AND QUIT THAT YOU COULD'NT HEAR THEM. THIS WILL BE PEOPLE THAT WAS LOUD.
They looked for easy victims to manipulate. Chad tells her Lori needs a friend. Lori tells her Melani needed a friend. They found this girl easy to play.
@@wednesday9623 Someone should show her the Walking Dead and how to defend yourself from people like The Daybells. It's very disturbing the way the defence attacks her. I think she was telling the truth but too scared previously to bring it up. She didn't want to risk being involved in case she had charges brought against her. After all how many bloody murders did they think they got away with? It made them feel invulnerable and that they were doing a devils work sorry God's work. My arse it's Gods work. Joseph Smith was a pervert with a taste for young girls and shame on you Evil disgusting assholes.
Not everyone that attends church is crazy. Lol. A little bit of an unfair assumption. The woman was married to a seemingly decent guy before with a well rounded family. Nobody suspected this .
I listened to an interview with one of Lori's cousins that she spend a lot of time growing up. She told stories about Lori that were not complimentary including her making her cousin go out on a double date. There were in Lori's dates car and the guy purposely ran over a cat that was trying to cross the street. She said Lori started laughing like it was funny. Now, that may seem a small thing, but anyone who would thinks it's funny to run over and kill a cat, has a cruel streak. I think Lori comes off as sweet but it's a facade. I think she is a borderline, narcissistic mix who is capable and willing to take out anyone who gets in the way of what she wants. So I completely believe Audrey's testimony.
I heard that cousin's interview, too. From the stories she told, Lori has always been very manipulative and narcissistic. The cousin went out on one date and Lori called her mom to have the cousin removed from the apartment for being a bad influence on Lori eventhough Lori was the one out partying and sleeping around and then the cousin was getting married and asked Lori and other bridesmaids to wear a purple dress. Lori didn't want to wear purple, so she decided everyone would wear blue instead. All the decorations were purple. It was weird. I would be so pissed.
@@ajordan1976 i truly hope so.. the Former Maricopa County Attorney Allister Adel was apparently drunk all the time and didn’t prosecute hundreds of criminal charges during the time all of Chad And Lori were on their crime spree and I’m afraid Melanis might have been one of them. This woman was unbelievably negligent in doing her job and had people protesting to get her removed from the position. She was such a mess that she was removed from office and within a month of being removed she drank herself to death and the age of 45. I can’t say for sure that these cases were related to the hundreds that sat on a desk and never prosecuted but it makes more sense than anything else I can figure out.
Melanie did a deal w police (no charges)and her xhusband was shot at and accused like Joe and she went to get children with alex driving her there ((daqrk children)) Good for her xhusband stopping that and police on the night- good luck with the new husband
Jason Mow was acting as the marketing and development for the cult. He found "former life wives or daughters or granddaughters" of Chad's to introduce to Chad. UA-cam has the Saprina Sharpe police interview.
@@deborahstrickland9845 Yep, course she would have been in her late 20's when she started getting involved with PAP and those around it. Probably still young enough to be manipulated and desperate for friends. Not sure why she would be hanging around these people with such a large age gap especially Chad. It's all crazy how easy it is for these people to be brainwashed. Her crying was over the top imo. I wondered why she felt the need to see Garth when she only saw him once that we know of.
Thank you for sharing!! Been watching this case since the kids were missing and it’s unbelievable how much she got away with And how easy it was for her to manipulate everyone she knew. It’s really scary.
Exactly and her precision timing ability lies and premeditation /manipulation PROVES HOW CALCULATED AND FULLY AWARE SHE WAS OF EXACTLY WHAT SHE WAS DOING ! She’s a monster
@@SpeakLife406 it just blows my mind how every single person that knew her (pre-Chad) thought she was such a great mother. How do you go from that to this and still no remorse? Its pure evil hiding behind a pretty smile.
He’s doing a job. The better job he does the less likely Lori will win on appeal if convicted. Poor representation could afford her a complete mew trial. I’m all for a strong defence!
It's infuriating Audrey continues to state "I felt uncomfortable and didn't share the beliefs Lori and Chad were involved in" and "I didn't take part in the castings or believe in light/dark spirits" yet she shows up EVERY time these "castings" occurred and even traveled out of state multiple times to be present for it all. I don't know about most people but personally, I sure as h3ll wouldn't be heavily involved in something, let alone travel to something, that I thought was ridiculous and didn't believe in 🥴 She knew they'd been speaking about the death of people who received these castings and she went as far as knowing that Lori's children were deemed dark spirits yet did NOTHING! Unbelievable and inexcusable.
They ALL belong in jail, I think they all anticipated someone would die every few months or weeks, like a soap opera, taking out certain players who wouldn't play along&I think it's all about money too, insurance$that is!
This is pretty damning for Lori. All the people she said were dark are now dead. You can tell she's embarrassed by getting involved with this nonsense.
she feels embarassed now. However instead of taking responsibility for that she tries to throw ir all on Lori with now lying on the stand. Her tone of voice and manner of acting out sobbing etc revealed her. If you have some practice in that you will detect that quite quickly. Cameras not needed for that crap
This is another person trying to distance herself & minimize her involvement in the "Chad & Lori" cult, IMO. She does sound truly terrified by the interaction with Lori & the threat she describes. I do believe her. I would not put it past Lori to behave in the way she describes.
I agree. She’s not quite reaching the level of Melanie Gibb’s distancing, but I believe allllll these people were deeply invested in this cult and know substantially more than they’re claiming to know. I have no doubt many of them took immunity deals in exchange for testifying on behalf of prosecution. They bought into this madness hook, line, and sinker. Any human being with even a shred of a grasp on reality and common sense would know things weren’t right with this nonsense.
Yes just like zulema, Melanie and David but I also do believe she threated her. The fact she still spoke to her after the 'casting' tells us she was way more into this zombie shit than she let's on
@@wednesday9623 I don’t think she was . She was trying to make sense of it . All of this was totally overwhelming and she didn’t know what a casting was so she refused to be a part of the second one for Tammy . Look at the way she described she said that from what she understood was that these people they said had a bad spirit in them she never used the term zombie . No one would get any of this , it’s bonkers and she obviously always wants to see the good in people .
I wonder if Chad used his infamous pickup line w/her also..."We were married in a past life." JR said he used it w/her and I'm sure he used it on others. Look how easy it worked on Lori...
Have you noticed it's all women they suck into these beliefs with no husband's!! They have to have money to fly around like this! Lori ruined Mel s marriage to get her husband's insurance money & this woman was aware of this!
Poor Charles providing Lori a beautiful home to Live in and she used it as a get together with the people that wanted to see him dead. And he rented her the house that she had him killed in. Pure evil
This defense attorney tries to manipulate all of these witnesses, and it's frustrating. He tries to spin it in Lori's favor and fails repeatedly to do so. I don't think he has once made any kind of impact, and at times, it makes it worse for his client. Which is awesome, really.
I agree. He made some headway here by pointing out Audrey’s presumed lack of credibility, but I know how people get sucked into cults because I have studied the topic extensively and also have some personal experience in cult-like fundamental churches. Just because Audrey never contacted authorities doesn’t change the fact that everything she said was true. It may not have seemed especially significant until after all the facts became known. The LDS have some really peculiar beliefs anyway. They believe they are populating other planets, they believe these time ideas they call dispensations, they believe they had entirely different lives in these dispensations almost to the point of believing in reincarnation, they believe in dreams and visions as gospel truth, they believe they actually are visited by God or angels and have or have had personal and physical relationships with them, and they believe in two books in addition to the holy Bible that they elevate to the same status yet these two other books contradict the holy Bible and have not been accepted by religious scholars throughout time as inspired by God. What Chad and Lori were adding was not a big leap from LDS doctrine, but actually more of the same. If this Audrey grew up LDS, it was hardly much different to give her allegiance to Chad and Lori than it was to give it to the current LDS “prophet,” because this is mainly an extension of current belief. They are always looking for their next prophet, whereas most non-LDS believe then need for prophets ended when we were given the Bible.
Glam Gam - there are a couple of the LDS beliefs that you stated that are not correct. Just to clarify, the doctrine of the Church does not teach that they are populating other planets. Or that the people have had multiple lives within different dispensations. “Dispensations” is not a new concept and not unique to the LDS faith. It is even talked about in the Bible and they are simply chunks of time interpreting history that divides God's work and purposes toward mankind into different periods of time. The LDS members believe that they can have a spiritual relationship with God and that He can “speak” to them through the Holy Spirit. Sometimes these spiritual feelings show up in dreams or in other ways, but it is very often simple impressions and feelings. And while the members can have a connection to divinity, it isn’t common for a follower to commune with angels and especially Christ himself. The Book of Mormon is one of the other books you mentioned and the concepts and ideas in that book actually follow the Bible fairly closely. But the 2nd book you mention is the Doctrine and Covenants - that is more of a history of God’s interactions with the Church in the latter days. How the church was “made” and established. The ideas and concepts that Chad Daybell had are very much an affront to LDS members. They do not just give allegiance to any man and think that he is the prophet. The belief is that God speaks to a prophet so it isn’t taken lightly. From what I’ve heard of Daybell’s teachings (I haven’t read his books or studied his ideas), here are some that go against the beliefs of the LDS church: - having multiple lives - zombies that possess the bodies of others - some of his beliefs of the Second Coming - murder (that’s kindof a big one 😉) I am sure there are others but I can’t think of them off the top of my head. I hope this doesn’t come across as argumentative. I just wanted to clarify some of the beliefs of the LDS church. And while there can be some extremists, LDS members are actually very normal people who love Jesus and try to follow His teachings. When people look at the actual doctrine of the church and not stuff that they have heard online or from other people who aren’t members of that church, there are a lot of similarities with other Christian churches.
Agree with parts of your comments. However having grown up LDS. I know we didn’t believe in living in different probations. There was life in a pre-existence with God. Come to earth to gain a body then die and return back to spiritual paradise until a judgement day. Lori and Chad conned these people to help them do away with those they wanted taken out.
So someone threatens to kill you. Cut you up and talks about trash bags, bleach and how messy it will be .... and you STILL stay the night at their house and don't call the police?
It seems obvious to us in hindsight, but Audrey didn’t know all of the things that would happen at the time. She probably questioned herself. She was heavy into her LDS beliefs, which are already rather peculiar, so these things may not have seemed as kooky to her as they do to others. She may not have many family and friends to lean on and may have been drawn to the attention she received, including that of using her gift of helping others.
@@GlamGam1964 doesn't matter. You do the right thing even if you don't have any cognitive thinking skills. Because that's what you're accusing her of. So many adults failed those kids!
All of that and she still be didn't feel it necessary to go to the police. Seems to me, If for no other reason than to protect myself. Or if somehow I were to come up missing or dead the police had a suspect
Archibald laughed at the end of yesterday's trial . I'm sure it won't get past the jury , and won't help the case . Scumbag for sure , very unprofessional .
It's the Defense's job to test prosecution's witnesses for credibility and truthfulness. Particularly if a witness' testimony differs from a previous statement. Prosecution would do the same with a Defense witness. Our criminal judicial process was established as an adversarial system. The which would not be my choice if I had my druthers.
I remember we were watching the news & you were chasing after Lori & Chad asking for the kids whereabouts, my son, he was 20 at the time looked at me & said: "They're gone Mom, & I bet they killed Tylee first because she would have never stand for them hurting JJ' that unfortunately, turned out to be truth, we just never, in our wildest dreams thought their deaths were going to be so horrific & sadistic & cruel. My prayers for Colby, Kay & Larry & Annie Cushings & the rest of the families affected by this tragedy.
That interview asking about the kids whereabouts, when Chad and Lori were in Hawaii, was the first thing I ever saw about this case. I also,knew the kids were already gone at that point 😔
Yea, when they were in Hawaii and Nate was trying to ask them questions about the children is the first time I discovered Nate. He deserves a national award for his hard work! This lady should have called the police!
Exactly. If one of my friends started talking about casting darkness out of one of our spouses, I wouldn’t say-I’m not comfortable with that, but I’ll pray for him. wth is wrong with these people. These kids didn’t stand a chance. They should all be locked up for conspiracy.
Exactly. Every adult in this situation was smart enough to see the children being referred to as “dark” were in danger and they did nothing. The lives of children were clearly at stake and every adult in the situation was too preoccupied by their place in the game to even care. And now they are pretending to be victims. They are all absolutely awful.
i still think Melanie Gibb is no innocent bystander, her remark about Tylee not liking “Anyone”just rubbed me the wrong way..it was almost in a snide, degrading way! this was after she knew Tylee had been found in such a horrific condition like a pc of trashand she never showed any emotion for her or Jj. I think and always will that she knew what was going to happen to the kids and went along with it until she thought she was right in the middle then she called the police to save her own ass!! she was so far up Lori’s @ss and Tylee was old enough to know Melanie was a weirdo like Chad and Tylee didn’t like them! i wouldn’t either if they were talking that crazy crap! Melanie Gibb never said they were awesome kids and didn’t deserve that, or if she knew what Lori was thinking of doing she would have offered to keep the kids or even call Larry and Kay and tell them they needed to come get the kids bc Lori is wanting them out of her life!! Melanie Gibb was Lori’s confident and bestie! she knew what was happening!
Thank you Nate! Your work has kept the needed prayers for those left behind. Those people are victims of these serial killers. Nate you’ve help me understand what is going on in court. I’m still flabbergasted she can giggle and smile for the cameras. Blows my mind. Love you dude. God bless you, your wife children and, of course your entire family. ✌🏻🌹♥️
@scarlet- I love your comment! A little Christian “those left behind” in there and all the praise and love of Nate’s work and his family’s sacrifice while on this case. From the VERY START! There was Nate. Thx again Nate.
I can't help but wonder if or are there others out that that shared similar beliefs to Lori and Chad? Not necessarily in their circle, but other circles? And if so...other lives may be in danger.. just a thought.
I thought the same when she mentioned about the others like Melanie loris neice and two of her children omg just the thought thank goodness there both in prison…. Lori should still be getting the death penalty she deserves it
@@joleenspelbrink3265 There have been many offshoot Mormon cults that end in this kind of tragedy. Look into the Lebaran Clan and all the murders that happened surrounding them.
Glad someone informed people of this- needs to be pinned at the top! This comment is too far down! I already figured it out myself! But Thank You to those who haven’t yet! 😊 @michellepacker1796
Amazing this lady knows and was aware of all this , yet Melanie Gibb and Mini Me Melanie didn't know anything ? they are both complicit and its disgusting they are both getting away with this .
How brave was Audrey acting on her intuition that things were not right and getting away from their influence and most likely saving her life. I admire her. Greetings from Australia.
Im getting really fed up with all these people involved in this playing dumb and innocent. I wish they would be honest with themselves and others. They were gullible, stupid, had boring lives and wanted to feel important. All of them sitting there talking about zombie's and casting spells, Zulema txting saying shes sending out fire and attacking Charles from her living room. Honestly its like listening a group of 8 year old girls playing at a sleep over, "well my dragons bigger than your dragon. I explained the mechanics of this to my 10 year old son the other day and even he said "but zombie's aren't real, why are these people being silly?" If all these people hadnt have been so narcissistic and self self serving, this thing would've have grown its tentacles the way it did and the victims would still be alive. I hope they never get a good nights sleep again, they all have blood on their hands. Sitting up on the stand now declaring "well i didn't really believe in it all" is bull, and it doesn't clear them of any responsibility for this. The moment another whole arse adult starts talking to me about zombies, light and dark scales, giving people different names because they have been taken over by spirits and asking me to join castings to bring harm onto people, im out. Im out and im down to the police station telling them they have another Jones Town on their hands because these people are bat shit crazy
Hopefully we will see them all face accountability in AZ for the trial for the murder of Charles Vallow. It will be a good day when Melanie Fibb Zulema Melani P and everyone else who failed these kids wearing stripes.
I think they are tears of humiliation, that she was gullible enough to get caught up in the crazy. Her voice sounds like she is meek person but I think it's more embarrassment that she is here, now, testifying at a trial of a person she once called friend and to find she is a cold blooded murderer off her own children
I think she is terrified and tremendously embarrassed and remorseful. She has to know that some of these people could have been saved if she had spoken up. But then again, Charles spoke up and no one believed him. J
I also think Audrey is afraid for her soul after her limited participation in the castings. She is embarrassed, yes, but moreso I think she is fearful of the damage this may have done to her own salvation. My heart goes out to her.
@@GlamGam1964 exactly the cops thought Charles was the crazy one Lori would have talked her way out of it yet again if she had and she would have most likely not be here to tell the tale
Lori and Chad played on weak, gullible, trusting people. This woman felt uncomfortable around Lori from the first few meetings they had, yet she flew all the way to Hawaii to visit with her and Melanie. Why??? I would have steered clear of Lori given all the uncomfortable feelings she was experiencing. What’s wrong with people?
I agree. I mean, my friend of many years that I know & trust? Of course, I’d fly to see them during a difficult time. But a friend of a friend who I’ve met a few times & who is involved in castings and zombies and other things that frighten me? No way.
I had the same thoughts. If she felt uncomfortable, why did she keep meeting up with these crazies? And not going home when she wanted to because she didn't want Melanie to be alone...because she is kind hearted to a person she hardly knew!
They really picked out people they thought they could manipulate. I’m glad this lady didn’t buy into it and I hope she can put all of this in the past. She sounds like a very nice person.
Nate, My continued Thanks and Appreciation for your tireless efforts to bring us the most up to date Courtroom News via "up-to- the-minute" Reporting throughout the day, and I look very forward to your Detailed Evening Wrap-Up of the day's events, including Audio Clips. You're excellence in Journalism is, no doubt, being noticed by some very important people, literally, from around the World. I also appreciate your empathy and compassion as you honor JJ, Tylee, Tammy, and Charles each evening. May Justice be served soon. Take time to get some rest! May God Bless you and your family. From:Tennessee
For Lori and Chad, the manipulation of these people was so easy. Each "friend" who was part of this circle sounds like they were already programmed to be gullible. "I had no basis for that.", "*I* hadnt heard of that but it was their experience so I thought 'that's interesting". Seriously??? There is a meth head squatting in a barn next door to me and he thinks people are spraying him with pesticide but he can only see them on camera, not with the naked eye. I promise you I didnt sit there and think "wow well that sounds weird but if he's saying it's true then ho-hum that's his testimony". No I looked at him and told him he was losing his 💩 and he better stay far away from me. Im open minded but not so much my brain has fallen out! Getouttahere!
It feels like Audrey was used by Chad and Lori. They were trying to groom her and when she didn't feel comfortable they decided suddenly that she was dark.
Very true. I remember them talking about a woman who knew Chad that was at a casting but that they then determined she was dark. Lori sounded like she hated her.
QUESTION: Has anyone heard why Lori’s children were dark and had to die and Chad’s children got to live? I haven’t heard anything about that. I’m from Washington state.
Lori’s children were killed because of money. After she learned she wasn’t going to get the million dollar life insurance policy from Charles, she allegedly decided to kill the kids to get their Social Security money. JJ was getting Charles’ Social Security and Tylee was getting her father’s(Joe Ryan)
Becky Huddleston, I agree I've wondered that also. I would think that would be a big red flag to any of them. Maybe because Chads kids were all grown? Plus Tylee knew what happened with Charles. And Lori,Alex and Chad probably thought she knew too much. It seems that Lori was tired of taking care of JJ and how much his care would take away from her and Chads agenda. It's so sad! Anyone on Charles side of the family or Lori's family would have gladly taken the children. Chad and Lori could have divorced Charles and Tammy and everyone would have gone their ways alive. Pure evil
This must be the woman that they said was turned dark after she really didn't buy into all their stuff in text messages and Mel G's conversations. If I remember correctly, Lori, and Zulema and perhaps Chad said that she was being influenced by dark spirits. They were trying to recruit her for the zombie stuff but she was on the fence and wasn't excited about it. I think Lori was a bit jealous of her. They began to disparage her amongst each other. I think she was possibly in danger. I think she was in awe of Chad initially. Lori was venemous about her from what I recall.
Yeah, Chad pursued quite a few women before he met Lori. When she gave him signs she was interested, he focused his attentions on her and gave her a goddess complex. Not that she didnt always act like a princess.
They all had a “role”! But Lori was married to Moroni- I think the LDS must worship Moroni more than Jesus bc he’s rooting his horn atop every temple. So Lori of course had the highest regard. As did Chad. Alex Cox must have been dropped on his head as a child. But in the end…..remembering Tylee, Charles, Tammy, and JJ❤
@@chrysa.22It has been reported that Alex Cox was in an accident when he was 16 years old that left him with possible brain damage. His sister Summer, I believe, said he always made decisions later in his life “like a 16 yr old” would do. Seems as if he was “paused” at the age of 16 due to that accident. Might answer a few questions-?
I actually believe this woman, I feel really sorry for her, she seems like she is sweet and her heart was in the right place, she must be mortified and who can blame her for being scared?
Lori is evil, it seems like she invited her there just to break the news about Tammy to see her reaction especially since she wasn't willing to help with the castings for Tammy
Melanie G was a gatherer and was infatuated with Lori and thought Chad was a good guy. She was gullible and was excited that they called her special. She wanted to be part of something important like preparing people for end time disasters and such... The apocalyptic predictions were exciting and I think she believed a lot of it. But Lori was planning to use her. She almost let that word slip when Mel G confronted her about her lying where JJ was. I do think she knows more about the circumstances around the attempt on Brandon B. and Charles' murder. But i do not think she dreamed that they would physically harm the kids or kill Tammy. She was close but wasnt totally trusted... Probably because she is so gullible and ditsy.
@@amandadierenfeldt7052 that is the other Melani in the saga, Melanie Budreau or now Palowski. She is Lori's niece and the daughter of Lori's deceased sister that died from diabetes. She looked at Lori like a mom. Lori and others put it into her head that her husband Brandon was gay and dark. So she divorced him and they tried to kill him for insurance money. So she lost her kids. Melanie Gibb is a church lady who met Chad at a conference, and who later met Lori and essentially became her groupie and "best friend". Melanie Gibb was gullible and easily approachable so I think she knew a lot of people and was open to lots of fringe ideas. She has an older special needs son with autism so she had something in common with Lori because of JJ. There are a lot of people in this web.
I love how all these women testify in weak, meek, quiet whisper voices but in reality they were probably all in and boisterous during the “castings” and what not. Quit playing the part.
I don’t think Lori really believed in this. I think anyone in her way needed to be taken out. She knows how to get angry, she knows how to kill and try to cover her tracks. She’s so selfish that Charles and her kids went first. She manipulates her words. Thank God Brandon got custody of the kids cuz she said 2 of them were zombies. Why did all these zombies have insurance policies?
@@desertsunset8025 she was “rich” using Charles Vallows credit cards and eventually hoped she would have his life insurance to live with Chad comfortably.
I believe every word this woman said. I also believe she was naive to ever think what she was told was true. However, this lady was terrified on the stand. I trust her all day long.
I think she sounds terrified and a little embarrassed to be taken so easy. She sounded truthful. I think she’s afraid someone’s going to come after her. That was chilling ! That’s my opinion !
I get the impression of a weak, directionless, codependent, loser-type, and emotionally problematic woman - but I still feel sorry for her getting enmeshed in this group. Note especially her self-praise, her “humble-bragging”: I have a good heart, I spread hope around me, I serve, I have a trusting heart…. She definitely belonged in this group of loser, weak, needy women, headed by better skilled or more evil Lori and Chad. How it swelled Audrey’s ego to know she was Jesus’ wife, no less. Of course you were, dear. Why not improve your job skills instead? Why not try to find a good, solid, life partner if you are so traditional and religious, and set up a permanent home together? Just some thoughts.
I have to tell you if our church knew people in the church teaching the things that Chad and Lori were teaching they would of been given a choice IN or OUT - out if your teaching these things, it would be immediate, shows how disconnected the LDS church is with their people..
@@mtaylor7307 and Charles tried to get Adam, Lori's brother, to secretly record Lori to give to lds because she was lying to the elders in her beliefs. Charles according to Adam thought if she was threatened with excommunication would step back from. Chad
@@69marrr right. It has been speculated that because Lori moved so much and participated in different states that the LDS are playing hot potato. Maybe no one is ex-communicating her because no one is wanting to claim her. The LDS were really failed their members on this. The church didn't even notify, much less sponsor, a missing person's search for the children. Edit: as for holding accountability for the teachings? The LDS doesn't officially support the Preparing A People movement but Melanie Gibb hosted Prepper gatherings where she taught at the Fireside meetings at her warren.
Good Lord? Was their ANY ALCOHOL OR DRUGS? Who would act like a 12yo at a slumber party!? Light as a feather, dum as a board! I have regrets asking Lisa Gartner to be my friend in kindergarten. The level of nativitè is mind blowing 🤯!
Almost as if it’s a part she’s playing, or learned behavior. But notice too her “humble bragging”: “I have a big heart, I spread hope around me, I serve, I’m here solely to help others”. Why doesn’t she have any kind of LIFE, an occupation, a life partner, tangible life goals? And boy did it swell her ego to learn Jesus was married to her, only to her.
I don’t appreciate how this defense attorney twists things that are said, when a witness says something and he completely misquotes them. He is grating my nerves!
“Bunch of weirdos” omg the defense atty is killing me. He has a way of making them admit to their crazy religious beliefs which produces what sounds like huge embarrassment. Wish this was televised. 😅
The Defense attorney consistently rewords witness testimony, and has a clear agenda in the rewording. One thing he does is normalize or greatly minimize the sick and violent behaviors of Lori and Chad. They were not harmless “weirdos”, they were dangerous murderers.
I don’t understand how any of those beliefs are “believable” at all. We do not know where nor when Jesus will come again. Let alone Missouri. He will be seen from every corner of the world no matter where He returns. I am blown away by all this. Nate thank you for being the 1st to bring us Court room testimony. Much appreciated.
@@CaseyMarie11-11 I’m sorry, but this comment absolutely took me out! 😂 I know just a small amount about the LDS church, so the Missouri being the scene for Garden of Eden and Christ’s return was definitely not anything I was expecting to hear today. 😆
The way they all speak creeps me TF out... So quite,and slow & the way they pause between words. Lori,and Melanie Gibb speak the exact same way. Gives me the willies 💯
Well,.,.think about it. Your previous friend says a whole bunch of crazy shire and says she will find you and kill you. F yeah my voice would be weird.
Man did prosecutor attorney Rollins drop the ball on her objections!! For example when Archibald asked Audrey where Lori told her where she got zombies from? Archibald said Chad right? Prosecutor Rollins should’ve said objection leading!!!
No she is allowing the testimony because she knows she has this trial in the bag. And both attorneys already know the testimony because they deposed her during discovery phase
@@AmyCoello I disagree with you but agree that the jurors should have enough testimony and evidence that Lori did conspire to murder Tammy, JJ, and Tylee. However I disagree with you on letting the defense attorney Archibald lead the witness in her testimony. You never want that to happen.
IT IS OBVIOUS TO ME THESE LADIES WERE LACKING SOMETHING IN THEIR LIVES TO BELIEVE CHAD, WHO IS A LAZY UNEMPLOYED LIAR. I CAN'T WRAP MY MIND AROUND WHAT WAS SO BELIEVABLE ABOUT WHAT CHAD TOLD ALL THESE PEOPLE. CHAD IS A FRAUD. THESE LADIES MAY HAVE BELIEVED HIM BUT LORI WAS THE ONE WHO CHOSE TO HAVE AN AFFAIR WITH HIM AND MURDER HER HUSBAND AND CHILDREN. RIP JOE, CHARLES, TYLEE, JJ, AND TAMMY.
In my opinion, Audrey knows a lot more than she is telling the Court. I do not understand why Audrey didn't go to Law Enforcement, especially after Charles was killed by Alex.....or did she? Justice for JJ, Tylee, Joseph Ryan, Charles, and Tammy. 🌼 🌸 🌻 🌼 🌸
Colby and Summer's phone calls alone tank Lori. Lori will die behind bars in her old hag skin suit after decades of twirling around at night as a failed goddess. Hopefully her hair falls out from stress.
It's crazy to me. These people are supposed to be very religious, but the behaviors they engaged in with lori almost sound like witchcraft. Are you that gullible and naive that someone could convince you to do things that emphatically go against what you've been taught and what you believe? And if so, you're just as guilty as she is. First, you contribute to her actions, that go against your own faith, and two, you said nothing to anyone when you knew she was dangerous.
If you see the timeline, the Missouri visit and Hawaii trip were both in October and Lori was just using Audrey as an alibi for attempts on Brandon and Tammy. Audrey ended the friendship on the return trip with Melani to Rexburg. I think Lori was snippy with Melani because the plot to get Brandon's insurance money failed. I think Audrey was all in at the beginning but all out by the end of October when she got into the quarrel with Lori.
Wow! And for Lori to say “you’re like a child..” and then continue to threaten to do what she/they did to HER CHILDREN is evil beyond comprehension. #loriEVILdaybell
This is by far the most damning piece of evidence against Lori that I have seen so far in this trial. It is not circumstantial, like the single strand of her hair found on the duct tape used to bind JJ, which could have got there in one of several non-incriminating ways. It is not hearsay. It is direct evidence, which goes to the very heart of the matters at issue in this trial. Audrey, simply for being less than totally compliant with Lori's wishes, is threatened with a violent death resembling closely what had recently happened to Tylee and JJ. It exposes Lori as malevolent and vindictive, and apparently fully capable of carrying out the threats that she makes. From here on, I don't think the jury will buy the pose of her being the innocent wronged party, which she has so far only hinted at. If she has any real evidence of her innocence, she had better reveal it very soon, or it will be too late.
It's too late for tears. Every single one of these people who knew what Chad and Lori were planning should be tried along with them. So many lives could have been saved. Scary thing is, this group and others like it are still out there thriving.
I' m in the UK HELLO Guys and Nate. It's 1.52 am and this was on live 35 minutes ago according to You Tube. Anyway you are as usual EIN Nate and everyone doing a great job. Thanks x
My whole problem with these testimonials is that they are all adults that have faltered in their lives and made mistake after mistake yet were saved to carry on and save others, yet you have two young children who were considered to be dark spirits that could not be saved. They could not be afforded the time to be guided or taught the error of their ways and turned to the teachings that these professional religious speakers could help with. I guess it would have thrown off the podcast schedule or broken the thought process of the next book to be written. The strongest hub of leaders with such power and devotion could not help those closest to them.
It’s Fin insane!! As if a teenage girl and a 7 year old boy could be evil!! Considering the hell Lori put them through their entire lives.. I get so angry even thinking about these monsters!!
I know this defense lawyer is trying to make the point that everyone was deceived by Chad and taken in by him but the way he is talking to this woman is so condescending. He might as well have said you’re an idiot. It’s basically what he said to her with every question. I feel bad for her. She was gullible and scared and he bullied her imo.
I truly believe he’s only doing a good job as a defense attorney, but I find both of them to be over priced asshats. In THEIR defense, I have to point out that they have little to work with and have a steep, uphill battle on their hands. I pray for the jury, that they see the truth in all of this. Audrey isn’t on trial, Lori is.
I think he is doing a great job of showing how whacked they were. They all need to be talked to this way. They are taught, from an early age, they will all be gods one day, so they’re all nuts, I am glad he is showing just how involved they actually were. I didn’t think he was condescending at all. Now Prior, he is condescending. As far as I am concerned, these people all knew what was going on, they deserve all the stuff they’re getting and more. They all could have stopped some of this, maybe Tylee, or J.J., or Tammy would still be here.
Melanie Boudreaux’’s children were spared. Alex went to retrieve them with Melanie but police intervened at her ex’s insistence. He saved his children after they tried to kill him. These people are nuts. How could they just sit by when people “they casted”die one by one. Mind blowing.
I mean.... yeah, I think a lot of us can believe lori is the type of person who would say something that diabolical. She is evil. The defense attorneys really do believe they can make her seem sweet and innocent. That is hilarious...
It’s almost like a middle school “mean girls click” that uses a Ouija board and has seances…. Dark spirits. Except it went too far. These gullible girls like Audrey were easy targets.
Some people are more trusting. I wouldn't have thought I would get manipulated by someone, but I did. They know how to say the right things to suck you in. I think Audrey is a sincere and caring person. Can you imagine being sucked in by these people and then giving to come forward and testify? It would be hard.
Apparently this is the testimony that enraged and/or agitated Lori Doorbell enough that she appears aggressive in face and posture during it [according to a juror after the trial ended as is their right to talk about it or not]. So I'm gonna listen again.
How come there's no objection to Archibald leading the witness? He asks where Lori heard these things from, Audrey hesitates trying to remember & form an answer, he says "Chad, right?", hoping she'll agree. This is putting words in her mouth. Why no objection?
Her family definitly has blinders o9n I wouldn't have believed any of this bullshit for a seco0ne. If my nephew wasw missing I would have called the cops in a heartbeat.
My question is Why didn't anyone go to the police when they learned about the real intent for Lori and Chad to remove zombies? I would have first told Lori and Chad they were nut jobs and then I would have told cops what was going on and asked for them to investigate. I would have told their Bishop what was happening and for their temple recs to be revoked and they get excommunicated...and never visit them again. Why did all these friends keep visiting with them????
Charles did try to intervene by calling the police regarding Lori’s abnormal weird behaviors. He wanted her evaluated and nothing was done so Charles ends up dead.
@@wednesday9623 or they are scared. Jason mow was ex cop. The cops didn't believe charles. Their previous safe happy social life is now crazy dangerous. Unless you're in their shoes judgement is shortsighted.
Who are these LDS people attending these conferences that are not church approved? A few of these book authors of end times or visionaries, and do podcasts about spiritual experiences saying they are in charge of gathering people, or giving conferences to sell their books of bologna and/or sign up to give everything you own to their cause have been excommunicated. If it's not the prophet, general authorities, stake president or bishop telling you it's time to prep and follow a random LDS member, then don't do it. That has always been the way the church is run. What LDS person believes in zombies??? Christ is always the answer, not someone trying to make money off of you.
Some of these people that followed Chad and Lori seemed desperate for friends. They say they had "bad" or "gut" feelings that it was all wrong but followed them anyway. We all have sisters assigned to us in our ward so if you need something, reach out. Don't follow a "Chad" before you follow your bishop or the prophet.
Melanie Gibb hosted Prepping A People talks at Fireside meetings on the LDS Warren property. LDS has accountability with the cross contamination of mainstream LDS and LDS fringe beliefs.
Everyone involved in this mess is just plain nuts. Bat shit crazy. They should all be prosecuted. I don't know how they can possibly live with themselves. Disgusting, evil, people.
Facts.
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True words
I agree. Every last one of them are nuts.
Possessed by evil foe!
Premeditation. Chad TOLD everyone his wife would die, and he would marry Lori! This is so damning for Lori.
The way all these women talk are eerie. What’s wrong with them
Sheltered and mislead.
LDS programming
@Book Girl they probably did practice is, it's probably a way of brainwashing people
I think they are embarrassed and ashamed
@@PhD72 LDS WOMEN FROM UTAH TALK LIKE THIS. DRIVES ME NUTS. SWEET AND CLOSER TO GOD. i KNOW PEOPLE WOULD TALK LKE THIS AND GET SOFT AND QUIT THAT YOU COULD'NT HEAR THEM. THIS WILL BE PEOPLE THAT WAS LOUD.
They looked for easy victims to manipulate. Chad tells her Lori needs a friend. Lori tells her Melani needed a friend. They found this girl easy to play.
Predators always pick the vulnerable.
They do I agree but she's trying to play down her involvement in the zombie beliefs just like Melanie and zulema in my opinion
Yes! Totally thought the same! Innocent and gullible. Good people!
@@wednesday9623 Someone should show her the Walking Dead and how to defend yourself from people like The Daybells. It's very disturbing the way the defence attacks her. I think she was telling the truth but too scared previously to bring it up. She didn't want to risk being involved in case she had charges brought against her. After all how many bloody murders did they think they got away with? It made them feel invulnerable and that they were doing a devils work sorry God's work. My arse it's Gods work. Joseph Smith was a pervert with a taste for young girls and shame on you Evil disgusting assholes.
She sounds completely stupid.
If you're a friend of Lori's, you're pretty screwed up already.
Exactly!!!!
Not everyone that attends church is crazy. Lol. A little bit of an unfair assumption. The woman was married to a seemingly decent guy before with a well rounded family. Nobody suspected this .
Facts!!!
That is so true.
Spot on. I’m not buying these peoples tears
I listened to an interview with one of Lori's cousins that she spend a lot of time growing up. She told stories about Lori that were not complimentary including her making her cousin go out on a double date. There were in Lori's dates car and the guy purposely ran over a cat that was trying to cross the street. She said Lori started laughing like it was funny. Now, that may seem a small thing, but anyone who would thinks it's funny to run over and kill a cat, has a cruel streak. I think Lori comes off as sweet but it's a facade. I think she is a borderline, narcissistic mix who is capable and willing to take out anyone who gets in the way of what she wants. So I completely believe Audrey's testimony.
ITA. I heard the cat story-- and that cemented in my mind, she was always without a conscience.
You nailed it!
I believe her too Lori had all those issues you mentioned plus she is just a plain flat out bully .
I heard that cousin's interview, too. From the stories she told, Lori has always been very manipulative and narcissistic. The cousin went out on one date and Lori called her mom to have the cousin removed from the apartment for being a bad influence on Lori eventhough Lori was the one out partying and sleeping around and then the cousin was getting married and asked Lori and other bridesmaids to wear a purple dress. Lori didn't want to wear purple, so she decided everyone would wear blue instead. All the decorations were purple. It was weird. I would be so pissed.
I do too
And all these coconspirators are free with no consequences. Absolutely disgusting.
Indeed.
Although they might face charges in AZ at Charles's trial.
That's my hope.
@@ajordan1976 i truly hope so.. the Former Maricopa County Attorney Allister Adel was apparently drunk all the time and didn’t prosecute hundreds of criminal charges during the time all of Chad And Lori were on their crime spree and I’m afraid Melanis might have been one of them. This woman was unbelievably negligent in doing her job and had people protesting to get her removed from the position. She was such a mess that she was removed from office and within a month of being removed she drank herself to death and the age of 45. I can’t say for sure that these cases were related to the hundreds that sat on a desk and never prosecuted but it makes more sense than anything else I can figure out.
Melanie did a deal w police (no charges)and her xhusband was shot at and accused like Joe and she went to get children with alex driving her there ((daqrk children)) Good for her xhusband stopping that and police on the night- good luck with the new husband
Audrey sounds so meek and vulnerable. She can barely complete a sentence. The Chad's and Lori's of the world prey on these types of weak people.
Jason Mow was acting as the marketing and development for the cult. He found "former life wives or daughters or granddaughters" of Chad's to introduce to Chad. UA-cam has the Saprina Sharpe police interview.
She sounds stoned.
To me she sounds very childish.
Yes they do. A five minute study of cults will tell you all you need to know about what kind of people they target.
@@deborahstrickland9845 Yep, course she would have been in her late 20's when she started getting involved with PAP and those around it. Probably still young enough to be manipulated and desperate for friends. Not sure why she would be hanging around these people with such a large age gap especially Chad. It's all crazy how easy it is for these people to be brainwashed. Her crying was over the top imo. I wondered why she felt the need to see Garth when she only saw him once that we know of.
Thank you for sharing!! Been watching this case since the kids were missing and it’s unbelievable how much she got away with And how easy it was for her to manipulate everyone she knew. It’s really scary.
Sounds like maybe Lori was the relationship pursuer between the two.
I was telling my hubby the same thing tonight…. How many lives she manipulated and ruined!
Most of the people were L.D.S. to begin with. They had little groups of people who had even more radical ideas and that is where they all met.
Exactly and her precision timing ability lies and premeditation /manipulation
PROVES HOW CALCULATED AND FULLY AWARE SHE WAS OF EXACTLY WHAT SHE WAS DOING ! She’s a monster
@@SpeakLife406 it just blows my mind how every single person that knew her (pre-Chad) thought she was such a great mother. How do you go from that to this and still no remorse? Its pure evil hiding behind a pretty smile.
I can't stand the defense attorney. Lori is not an innocent. It was not all Chad.
Totally agree.
He’s doing a job. The better job he does the less likely Lori will win on appeal if convicted. Poor representation could afford her a complete mew trial.
I’m all for a strong defence!
They are both evil. Their coming together made it all the easier for them to carry out their diabolical plans.
100percent right ✅ 👌
Good point
It's infuriating Audrey continues to state "I felt uncomfortable and didn't share the beliefs Lori and Chad were involved in" and "I didn't take part in the castings or believe in light/dark spirits" yet she shows up EVERY time these "castings" occurred and even traveled out of state multiple times to be present for it all. I don't know about most people but personally, I sure as h3ll wouldn't be heavily involved in something, let alone travel to something, that I thought was ridiculous and didn't believe in 🥴 She knew they'd been speaking about the death of people who received these castings and she went as far as knowing that Lori's children were deemed dark spirits yet did NOTHING! Unbelievable and inexcusable.
I’m with you!
Me too 👍🏻
Yeah, this testimony was hard to listen to. This witness just does not seem credible to me.
I agree, indubitably!
They ALL belong in jail, I think they all anticipated someone would die every few months or weeks, like a soap opera, taking out certain players who wouldn't play along&I think it's all about money too, insurance$that is!
This is pretty damning for Lori. All the people she said were dark are now dead. You can tell she's embarrassed by getting involved with this nonsense.
I feel so bad for her. Audrey.
How creepy when she said they claimed Melanie's kids were dark too. Poor Brandon.
she feels embarassed now. However instead of taking responsibility for that she tries to throw ir all on Lori with now lying on the stand. Her tone of voice and manner of acting out sobbing etc revealed her. If you have some practice in that you will detect that quite quickly. Cameras not needed for that crap
@@Amontillado72 you know her? What part did she play in the deaths?
More like culpable… All these friends are guilty and just trying to distance themselves now. End of the world fanatics. Disgusting
This is another person trying to distance herself & minimize her involvement in the "Chad & Lori" cult, IMO. She does sound truly terrified by the interaction with Lori & the threat she describes. I do believe her. I would not put it past Lori to behave in the way she describes.
I agree. She’s not quite reaching the level of Melanie Gibb’s distancing, but I believe allllll these people were deeply invested in this cult and know substantially more than they’re claiming to know. I have no doubt many of them took immunity deals in exchange for testifying on behalf of prosecution. They bought into this madness hook, line, and sinker. Any human being with even a shred of a grasp on reality and common sense would know things weren’t right with this nonsense.
Yes just like zulema, Melanie and David but I also do believe she threated her. The fact she still spoke to her after the 'casting' tells us she was way more into this zombie shit than she let's on
@@wednesday9623 I don’t think she was . She was trying to make sense of it . All of this was totally overwhelming and she didn’t know what a casting was so she refused to be a part of the second one for Tammy . Look at the way she described she said that from what she understood was that these people they said had a bad spirit in them she never used the term zombie .
No one would get any of this , it’s bonkers and she obviously always wants to see the good in people .
I don't think she was into it either. She cried talking about it. No one else got so emotional about it
I wonder if Chad used his infamous pickup line w/her also..."We were married in a past life." JR said he used it w/her and I'm sure he used it on others. Look how easy it worked on Lori...
I wish we could see Loris’s face when these personal testimonies are being given.
Ohhhh yes!!! 👍👍👍
Me too
I know right, oh you know she’s trying to use her powers 😂
@@emarteliz 😂
Hoping video will be allowed in Chad‘s trial!
This testimony blew me away!
Have you noticed it's all women they suck into these beliefs with no husband's!! They have to have money to fly around like this! Lori ruined Mel s marriage to get her husband's insurance money & this woman was aware of this!
I think the criteria for being a dark spirit involved if they had insurance policies. Disgusting
Wow, excellent point, this whole thing is horrible .
@@Jl-ou4jt agreed
Yup
And …. If they were in disagreement with Lori and Chad relationship. They would also be dark. Sickening
Poor Charles providing Lori a beautiful home to
Live in and she used it as a get together with the people that wanted to see him dead. And he rented her the house that she had him killed in. Pure evil
i have often thought about this. so heart breaking. disgusting too
This defense attorney tries to manipulate all of these witnesses, and it's frustrating. He tries to spin it in Lori's favor and fails repeatedly to do so. I don't think he has once made any kind of impact, and at times, it makes it worse for his client. Which is awesome, really.
Trying to spin it in a client's favor is the job of every defense lawyer.
I agree. He made some headway here by pointing out Audrey’s presumed lack of credibility, but I know how people get sucked into cults because I have studied the topic extensively and also have some personal experience in cult-like fundamental churches. Just because Audrey never contacted authorities doesn’t change the fact that everything she said was true. It may not have seemed especially significant until after all the facts became known. The LDS have some really peculiar beliefs anyway. They believe they are populating other planets, they believe these time ideas they call dispensations, they believe they had entirely different lives in these dispensations almost to the point of believing in reincarnation, they believe in dreams and visions as gospel truth, they believe they actually are visited by God or angels and have or have had personal and physical relationships with them, and they believe in two books in addition to the holy Bible that they elevate to the same status yet these two other books contradict the holy Bible and have not been accepted by religious scholars throughout time as inspired by God. What Chad and Lori were adding was not a big leap from LDS doctrine, but actually more of the same. If this Audrey grew up LDS, it was hardly much different to give her allegiance to Chad and Lori than it was to give it to the current LDS “prophet,” because this is mainly an extension of current belief. They are always looking for their next prophet, whereas most non-LDS believe then need for prophets ended when we were given the Bible.
Glam Gam - there are a couple of the LDS beliefs that you stated that are not correct. Just to clarify, the doctrine of the Church does not teach that they are populating other planets. Or that the people have had multiple lives within different dispensations. “Dispensations” is not a new concept and not unique to the LDS faith. It is even talked about in the Bible and they are simply chunks of time interpreting history that divides God's work and purposes toward mankind into different periods of time.
The LDS members believe that they can have a spiritual relationship with God and that He can “speak” to them through the Holy Spirit. Sometimes these spiritual feelings show up in dreams or in other ways, but it is very often simple impressions and feelings. And while the members can have a connection to divinity, it isn’t common for a follower to commune with angels and especially Christ himself.
The Book of Mormon is one of the other books you mentioned and the concepts and ideas in that book actually follow the Bible fairly closely. But the 2nd book you mention is the Doctrine and Covenants - that is more of a history of God’s interactions with the Church in the latter days. How the church was “made” and established.
The ideas and concepts that Chad Daybell had are very much an affront to LDS members. They do not just give allegiance to any man and think that he is the prophet. The belief is that God speaks to a prophet so it isn’t taken lightly.
From what I’ve heard of Daybell’s teachings (I haven’t read his books or studied his ideas), here are some that go against the beliefs of the LDS church:
- having multiple lives
- zombies that possess the bodies of others
- some of his beliefs of the Second Coming
- murder (that’s kindof a big one 😉)
I am sure there are others but I can’t think of them off the top of my head.
I hope this doesn’t come across as argumentative. I just wanted to clarify some of the beliefs of the LDS church. And while there can be some extremists, LDS members are actually very normal people who love Jesus and try to follow His teachings. When people look at the actual doctrine of the church and not stuff that they have heard online or from other people who aren’t members of that church, there are a lot of similarities with other Christian churches.
Agree with parts of your comments. However having grown up LDS. I know we didn’t believe in living in different probations.
There was life in a pre-existence with God. Come to earth to gain a body then die and return back to spiritual paradise until a judgement day.
Lori and Chad conned these people to help them do away with those they wanted taken out.
He’s not very smart and really bad at cross examining
So someone threatens to kill you. Cut you up and talks about trash bags, bleach and how messy it will be .... and you STILL stay the night at their house and don't call the police?
Its shock. Also..when your life is on the line..acting friendly and cooperative is a form of defence. I know from experience.
It seems obvious to us in hindsight, but Audrey didn’t know all of the things that would happen at the time. She probably questioned herself. She was heavy into her LDS beliefs, which are already rather peculiar, so these things may not have seemed as kooky to her as they do to others. She may not have many family and friends to lean on and may have been drawn to the attention she received, including that of using her gift of helping others.
@@GlamGam1964 doesn't matter.
You do the right thing even if you don't have any cognitive thinking skills. Because that's what you're accusing her of.
So many adults failed those kids!
She was groomed to be part of the cult. It’s totally possible she complied out of fear and confusion.
All of that and she still be didn't feel it necessary to go to the police. Seems to me, If for no other reason than to protect myself. Or if somehow I were to come up missing or dead the police had a suspect
Thank you, Nate, for forcing this story into the light from the very beginning. Much appreciated.
How Dare Archabald treat a witness in that way. Plus using the description ‘crap’
Arch is an ass! He’s like throwing a temper tantrum himself… reminds me of Lori’s personality.
Archibald laughed at the end of yesterday's trial . I'm sure it won't get past the jury , and won't help the case . Scumbag for sure , very unprofessional .
It's the Defense's job to test prosecution's witnesses for credibility and truthfulness. Particularly if a witness' testimony differs from a previous statement.
Prosecution would do the same with a Defense witness.
Our criminal judicial process was established as an adversarial system. The which would not be my choice if I had my druthers.
He needs to be disbarred.
I agree, he is so snide, and condescending, feel very sorry for this lady tbh.
I remember we were watching the news & you were chasing after Lori & Chad asking for the kids whereabouts, my son, he was 20 at the time looked at me & said: "They're gone Mom, & I bet they killed Tylee first because she would have never stand for them hurting JJ' that unfortunately, turned out to be truth, we just never, in our wildest dreams thought their deaths were going to be so horrific & sadistic & cruel. My prayers for Colby, Kay & Larry & Annie Cushings & the rest of the families affected by this tragedy.
That interview asking about the kids whereabouts, when Chad and Lori were in Hawaii, was the first thing I ever saw about this case. I also,knew the kids were already gone at that point 😔
Yessss! He’s the Best ❤
@@CaseyMarie11-11 same here
She got rid of the boy's service dog, she's a monster
Yea, when they were in Hawaii and Nate was trying to ask them questions about the children is the first time I discovered Nate. He deserves a national award for his hard work! This lady should have called the police!
I’m so sick of these people trying to act like
They didn’t know what was going on!!!!
Exactly, after the whole "casting" thing she should of ran for the hills
Agreed!
Exactly. If one of my friends started talking about casting darkness out of one of our spouses, I wouldn’t say-I’m not comfortable with that, but I’ll pray for him. wth is wrong with these people. These kids didn’t stand a chance. They should all be locked up for conspiracy.
Exactly. Every adult in this situation was smart enough to see the children being referred to as “dark” were in danger and they did nothing. The lives of children were clearly at stake and every adult in the situation was too preoccupied by their place in the game to even care. And now they are pretending to be victims. They are all absolutely awful.
i still think Melanie Gibb is no innocent bystander, her remark about Tylee not liking “Anyone”just rubbed me the wrong way..it was almost in a snide, degrading way! this was after she knew Tylee had been found in such a horrific condition like a pc of trashand she never showed any emotion for her or Jj. I think and always will that she knew what was going to happen to the kids and went along with it until she thought she was right in the middle then she called the police to save her own ass!! she was so far up Lori’s @ss and Tylee was old enough to know Melanie was a weirdo like Chad and Tylee didn’t like them! i wouldn’t either if they were talking that crazy crap! Melanie Gibb never said they were awesome kids and didn’t deserve that, or if she knew what Lori was thinking of doing she would have offered to keep the kids or even call Larry and Kay and tell them they needed to come get the kids bc Lori is wanting them out of her life!! Melanie Gibb was Lori’s confident and bestie! she knew what was happening!
Thank you Nate! Your work has kept the needed prayers for those left behind. Those people are victims of these serial killers. Nate you’ve help me understand what is going on in court. I’m still flabbergasted she can giggle and smile for the cameras. Blows my mind. Love you dude. God bless you, your wife children and, of course your entire family. ✌🏻🌹♥️
@scarlet- I love your comment! A little Christian “those left behind” in there and all the praise and love of Nate’s work and his family’s sacrifice while on this case. From the VERY START! There was Nate. Thx again Nate.
WOW. This is just so awful. Thank GOD lori and chad are not out in the public to continue with their deception.
Worst actress ever
I can't help but wonder if or are there others out that that shared similar beliefs to Lori and Chad? Not necessarily in their circle, but other circles?
And if so...other lives may be in danger.. just a thought.
I thought the same when she mentioned about the others like Melanie loris neice and two of her children omg just the thought thank goodness there both in prison…. Lori should still be getting the death penalty she deserves it
@@joleenspelbrink3265 There have been many offshoot Mormon cults that end in this kind of tragedy. Look into the Lebaran Clan and all the murders that happened surrounding them.
1:03:59 Audrey admits she knew what time it was
FYI, the audio re-sets to the beginning of the day after the prosecution finishes direct at 35:44. Cross then starts at 1:18:40.
Thank you.. I was confused.
I was confused too...thanks
Thank you
Thank you
Glad someone informed people of this- needs to be pinned at the top! This comment is too far down! I already figured it out myself! But Thank You to those who haven’t yet! 😊
@michellepacker1796
Amazing this lady knows and was aware of all this , yet Melanie Gibb and Mini Me Melanie didn't know anything ? they are both complicit and its disgusting they are both getting away with this .
You make a good point.
It’s actually crazy, they know more than they are saying ! Especially Melanie Gibb…
They probably have immunity for spilling all the beans.
Mini-Me-Melanie😂
Mini me 😂
How brave was Audrey acting on her intuition that things were not right and getting away from their influence and most likely saving her life. I admire her. Greetings from Australia.
She should have reported it to the Bishop
She got away too late EVERYONE was DEAD by that time.
@@patferguson9377ppl did report them to the church.
This chick belongs in jail. She was aware people were in danger and did nothing
@@petuniab.222Exactly.
Im getting really fed up with all these people involved in this playing dumb and innocent.
I wish they would be honest with themselves and others.
They were gullible, stupid, had boring lives and wanted to feel important.
All of them sitting there talking about zombie's and casting spells, Zulema txting saying shes sending out fire and attacking Charles from her living room. Honestly its like listening a group of 8 year old girls playing at a sleep over, "well my dragons bigger than your dragon.
I explained the mechanics of this to my 10 year old son the other day and even he said "but zombie's aren't real, why are these people being silly?"
If all these people hadnt have been so narcissistic and self self serving, this thing would've have grown its tentacles the way it did and the victims would still be alive.
I hope they never get a good nights sleep again, they all have blood on their hands.
Sitting up on the stand now declaring "well i didn't really believe in it all" is bull, and it doesn't clear them of any responsibility for this.
The moment another whole arse adult starts talking to me about zombies, light and dark scales, giving people different names because they have been taken over by spirits and asking me to join castings to bring harm onto people, im out. Im out and im down to the police station telling them they have another Jones Town on their hands because these people are bat shit crazy
Hopefully we will see them all face accountability in AZ for the trial for the murder of Charles Vallow.
It will be a good day when Melanie Fibb Zulema Melani P and everyone else who failed these kids wearing stripes.
Charles went to the cops fat lot of good that did him they thought HE was the crazy one now he’s dead so there’s that this is how cults work .
Finally Audrey pushed back on Lori. Why the tears? ...for loss of friendship with Lori? This is so so weird beyond measure.
I think she was terrified. To testify and tell the honest truth. I can’t say the same for Gibb.
I think they are tears of humiliation, that she was gullible enough to get caught up in the crazy. Her voice sounds like she is meek person but I think it's more embarrassment that she is here, now, testifying at a trial of a person she once called friend and to find she is a cold blooded murderer off her own children
I think she is terrified and tremendously embarrassed and remorseful. She has to know that some of these people could have been saved if she had spoken up. But then again, Charles spoke up and no one believed him. J
I also think Audrey is afraid for her soul after her limited participation in the castings. She is embarrassed, yes, but moreso I think she is fearful of the damage this may have done to her own salvation. My heart goes out to her.
@@GlamGam1964 exactly the cops thought Charles was the crazy one Lori would have talked her way out of it yet again if she had and she would have most likely not be here to tell the tale
Nate, you need to be awarded an Emmy for the dedication you have presented to us and the world. Thank you!
💯 someone get this man an award!
@@LemonEyeDropswe could all buy him a trophy or plaque and send it to him. 😊 Lol he'd appreciate it.
@@CoralineJonesPinkPalace that'd be so nice 🙂
I agree
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Every friend of Lori's is just SHOCKING!! Someone in this sick bunch may have been able to save one or more lives! This woman is not innocent!
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Lori and Chad played on weak, gullible, trusting people. This woman felt uncomfortable around Lori from the first few meetings they had, yet she flew all the way to Hawaii to visit with her and Melanie. Why??? I would have steered clear of Lori given all the uncomfortable feelings she was experiencing. What’s wrong with people?
That's right. Why? Because she's like them. LDS Morman. Complete nut case
I agree. I mean, my friend of many years that I know & trust? Of course, I’d fly to see them during a difficult time. But a friend of a friend who I’ve met a few times & who is involved in castings and zombies and other things that frighten me? No way.
No boundaries.
I had the same thoughts. If she felt uncomfortable, why did she keep meeting up with these crazies? And not going home when she wanted to because she didn't want Melanie to be alone...because she is kind hearted to a person she hardly knew!
Flying around to prayer circles is expensive!
She’s giving off a vibe like she’s really not wanting to be there. I mean I get it.
This testimony is nuts. I read Nate's tweets today😳😬
They really picked out people they thought they could manipulate. I’m glad this lady didn’t buy into it and I hope she can put all of this in the past. She sounds like a very nice person.
She also sounds like she believes and goes along with almost everything. This is sounds so scary. They have so many distorted thoughts and processes
@@pattycaldwell9653They really found the most broken trusting people to influence and manipulate. It’s really disgusting.
This lady DID buy into it. That's why she's so embarrassed now and making up a story about Lori threatening her out of nowhere.
Yes, I thought so, too!🕊✝️🙏🌹💕🙋♀️
I believe that they were starting a cult. They wanted kind and sweet people that had self esteem issues so they could manipulate them.
Nate, My continued Thanks and Appreciation for your tireless efforts to bring us the most up to date Courtroom News via "up-to- the-minute" Reporting throughout the day, and I look very forward to your Detailed Evening Wrap-Up of the day's events, including Audio Clips. You're excellence in Journalism is, no doubt, being noticed by some very important people, literally, from around the World. I also appreciate your empathy and compassion as you honor JJ, Tylee, Tammy, and Charles each evening. May Justice be served soon. Take time to get some rest! May God Bless you and your family. From:Tennessee
Second that!!!from Tennessee too
For Lori and Chad, the manipulation of these people was so easy. Each "friend" who was part of this circle sounds like they were already programmed to be gullible. "I had no basis for that.", "*I* hadnt heard of that but it was their experience so I thought 'that's interesting". Seriously???
There is a meth head squatting in a barn next door to me and he thinks people are spraying him with pesticide but he can only see them on camera, not with the naked eye. I promise you I didnt sit there and think "wow well that sounds weird but if he's saying it's true then ho-hum that's his testimony". No I looked at him and told him he was losing his 💩 and he better stay far away from me. Im open minded but not so much my brain has fallen out! Getouttahere!
How on earth could they kill those kids?
@@elainemurley9509 Idk but I bet Lori had that arrogant smirk on her face while she did it.
WOW Your calm demeanour is inspiring.
Unfortunately for deeply rel;igious people they are literally programmed to believe this crap.
Seriously? These people are adults. They are just as fanatical and nuts. Innocent my #%**
It feels like Audrey was used by Chad and Lori. They were trying to groom her and when she didn't feel comfortable they decided suddenly that she was dark.
Very true. I remember them talking about a woman who knew Chad that was at a casting but that they then determined she was dark. Lori sounded like she hated her.
This girl sounds like how I imagine a Victorian era ghost would talk 🤔
😂😂😂😂😂😂
QUESTION: Has anyone heard why Lori’s children were dark and had to die and Chad’s children got to live? I haven’t heard anything about that. I’m from Washington state.
Harder to off an adult for the insurance money and keep it quiet possibly?
Lori’s children were killed because of money. After she learned she wasn’t going to get the million dollar life insurance policy from Charles, she allegedly decided to kill the kids to get their Social Security money. JJ was getting Charles’ Social Security and Tylee was getting her father’s(Joe Ryan)
Becky Huddleston, I agree I've wondered that also. I would think that would be a big red flag to any of them. Maybe because Chads kids were all grown? Plus Tylee knew what happened with Charles. And Lori,Alex and Chad probably thought she knew too much.
It seems that Lori was tired of taking care of JJ and how much his care would take away from her and Chads agenda. It's so sad! Anyone on Charles side of the family or Lori's family would have gladly taken the children. Chad and Lori could have divorced Charles and Tammy and everyone would have gone their ways alive. Pure evil
I thought his kids were dark?
His kids followed his “prophecies.” And still do, it seems, sadly. They were/are very sheltered and insulated as well.
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This must be the woman that they said was turned dark after she really didn't buy into all their stuff in text messages and Mel G's conversations. If I remember correctly, Lori, and Zulema and perhaps Chad said that she was being influenced by dark spirits. They were trying to recruit her for the zombie stuff but she was on the fence and wasn't excited about it. I think Lori was a bit jealous of her. They began to disparage her amongst each other. I think she was possibly in danger. I think she was in awe of Chad initially. Lori was venemous about her from what I recall.
Good point 👍
Yeah, Chad pursued quite a few women before he met Lori. When she gave him signs she was interested, he focused his attentions on her and gave her a goddess complex. Not that she didnt always act like a princess.
They all had a “role”! But Lori was married to Moroni- I think the LDS must worship Moroni more than Jesus bc he’s rooting his horn atop every temple. So Lori of course had the highest regard. As did Chad. Alex Cox must have been dropped on his head as a child.
But in the end…..remembering Tylee, Charles, Tammy, and JJ❤
@@chrysa.22It has been reported that Alex Cox was in an accident when he was 16 years old that left him with possible brain damage. His sister Summer, I believe, said he always made decisions later in his life “like a 16 yr old” would do. Seems as if he was “paused” at the age of 16 due to that accident. Might answer a few questions-?
Actually, Alex did suffer a serious head injury as a teenager, so you’re not far off!
I actually believe this woman, I feel really sorry for her, she seems like she is sweet and her heart was in the right place, she must be mortified and who can blame her for being scared?
Nice lady...just gullible AF
Something about this…feels odd
Lori is evil, it seems like she invited her there just to break the news about Tammy to see her reaction especially since she wasn't willing to help with the castings for Tammy
They are all insane. I think Melonie Gibb knows more than she is saying.
Meee toooo! I also think she was involved in more than she is saying. She was not a bystander I don't think.
She absolutely does. She was Lori’s right hand woman..
Melanie G was a gatherer and was infatuated with Lori and thought Chad was a good guy. She was gullible and was excited that they called her special. She wanted to be part of something important like preparing people for end time disasters and such... The apocalyptic predictions were exciting and I think she believed a lot of it. But Lori was planning to use her. She almost let that word slip when Mel G confronted her about her lying where JJ was. I do think she knows more about the circumstances around the attempt on Brandon B. and Charles' murder. But i do not think she dreamed that they would physically harm the kids or kill Tammy. She was close but wasnt totally trusted... Probably because she is so gullible and ditsy.
Didn’t Melanie Gibb lose custody to all her kids? Is that why Audrey had to ‘help’ her?
@@amandadierenfeldt7052 that is the other Melani in the saga, Melanie Budreau or now Palowski. She is Lori's niece and the daughter of Lori's deceased sister that died from diabetes. She looked at Lori like a mom. Lori and others put it into her head that her husband Brandon was gay and dark. So she divorced him and they tried to kill him for insurance money. So she lost her kids. Melanie Gibb is a church lady who met Chad at a conference, and who later met Lori and essentially became her groupie and "best friend". Melanie Gibb was gullible and easily approachable so I think she knew a lot of people and was open to lots of fringe ideas. She has an older special needs son with autism so she had something in common with Lori because of JJ. There are a lot of people in this web.
I love how all these women testify in weak, meek, quiet whisper voices but in reality they were probably all in and boisterous during the “castings” and what not. Quit playing the part.
There you go 100 percent my thought.I'm sure they were involved some how, now acting all innocent.
Amen
Listen to Lori in her podcast, like with Melanie G and “Thor.” Lori sounds like a maniac “high” very excited and giggling. No quiet voice!
Those quiet and meek little voices are so annoying. 😬
I don’t think Lori really believed in this. I think anyone in her way needed to be taken out. She knows how to get angry, she knows how to kill and try to cover her tracks. She’s so selfish that Charles and her kids went first. She manipulates her words. Thank God Brandon got custody of the kids cuz she said 2 of them were zombies. Why did all these zombies have insurance policies?
Seriously though… they really thought this was going to work 🤣 what Fools!
And they believed they were acting in the Lord’s name?!
to finance their cult!!
Exactly, strange that those zombies all had insurance policies.
This tragedy just gets darker and darker with each witness.😢😢😢
All these people knew they were having a affair, both their spouses die and none of them say a thing!! Oh yeah they saw Jesus Christ alright! Nuts.. O
How can these single woman afford to be jetting back and
forth to Hawaii, Texas, Missouri, etc?
Tell me about it. 🤔
Agreed . I know Lori was rich , so maybe she bought her friends with tickets and free condo stays and dinners .
@@desertsunset8025 It was definitely Charles’ money.
I agree. Living off life insurance policies it seems. No one works!
@@desertsunset8025 she was “rich” using Charles Vallows credit cards and eventually hoped she would have his life insurance to live with Chad comfortably.
How crazyyy codependent IS this woman. Good lord.
None of these women have any critical thinking skills.
Zero.
I'm really confused I'm 45 minutes in. Instead of the cross-examination, I am hearing her testimony again what's going on?
Skip ahead. Someone above posted when it continues
I believe every word this woman said. I also believe she was naive to ever think what she was told was true. However, this lady was terrified on the stand. I trust her all day long.
I don't hear terror. I hear the same breathy, little girl voice all those flakes use. She sounds sedated, if anything.
I think she sounds terrified and a little embarrassed to be taken so easy. She sounded truthful. I think she’s afraid someone’s going to come after her. That was chilling ! That’s my opinion !
Come on they're all crazy.
I don't hear any fear or trepidation in her voice at all.
I get the impression of a weak, directionless, codependent, loser-type, and emotionally problematic woman - but I still feel sorry for her getting enmeshed in this group. Note especially her self-praise, her “humble-bragging”: I have a good heart, I spread hope around me, I serve, I have a trusting heart…. She definitely belonged in this group of loser, weak, needy women, headed by better skilled or more evil Lori and Chad. How it swelled Audrey’s ego to know she was Jesus’ wife, no less. Of course you were, dear. Why not improve your job skills instead? Why not try to find a good, solid, life partner if you are so traditional and religious, and set up a permanent home together? Just some thoughts.
I have to tell you if our church knew people in the church teaching the things that Chad and Lori were teaching they would of been given a choice IN or OUT - out if your teaching these things, it would be immediate, shows how disconnected the LDS church is with their people..
According to Lori's cousin Meagan, Lori has not yet been excommunicated.
@@mtaylor7307 and Charles tried to get Adam, Lori's brother, to secretly record Lori to give to lds because she was lying to the elders in her beliefs. Charles according to Adam thought if she was threatened with excommunication would step back from. Chad
I have to agree with you. 100%
@@mtaylor7307 wowwww yikes
@@69marrr right. It has been speculated that because Lori moved so much and participated in different states that the LDS are playing hot potato. Maybe no one is ex-communicating her because no one is wanting to claim her. The LDS were really failed their members on this. The church didn't even notify, much less sponsor, a missing person's search for the children.
Edit: as for holding accountability for the teachings? The LDS doesn't officially support the Preparing A People movement but Melanie Gibb hosted Prepper gatherings where she taught at the Fireside meetings at her warren.
Good Lord? Was their ANY ALCOHOL OR DRUGS? Who would act like a 12yo at a slumber party!? Light as a feather, dum as a board! I have regrets asking Lisa Gartner to be my friend in kindergarten. The level of nativitè is mind blowing 🤯!
Girl you took the words right out of my mouth
Brainwashed 🤷♀️
Omg, yes!! I been wondering if they were on drugs 🤔, so painfully stupid.
Even on stand, honestly, she seems more like a child than a 34 year old adult.
Almost as if it’s a part she’s playing, or learned behavior. But notice too her “humble bragging”: “I have a big heart, I spread hope around me, I serve, I’m here solely to help others”. Why doesn’t she have any kind of LIFE, an occupation, a life partner, tangible life goals? And boy did it swell her ego to learn Jesus was married to her, only to her.
Excellent job bringing this to the public. I appreciate you.
I don’t appreciate how this defense attorney twists things that are said, when a witness says something and he completely misquotes them. He is grating my nerves!
What the heck so many people could have reported these things and lives could of been saved!!!!!
have, not of
“Bunch of weirdos” omg the defense atty is killing me. He has a way of making them admit to their crazy religious beliefs which produces what sounds like huge embarrassment. Wish this was televised. 😅
The Defense attorney consistently rewords witness testimony, and has a clear agenda in the rewording. One thing he does is normalize or greatly minimize the sick and violent behaviors of Lori and Chad. They were not harmless “weirdos”, they were dangerous murderers.
It’s his job to cast the doubt anywhere away from his client he really doesn’t have much to work with you know 🤣
The judge is LDS & didn't want coverage to hurt the church!
21:37 Wow! Melanie B/Ps kids were dark!! She is totally in the know. She’s getting away with sooo much. I hope her ex is fighting for full custody!!!
He already had full custody. I think that’s why Melanie. Ended help and ‘friends.’
When Charles was murdered these people should of spoken up!!! I hold everyone accountable in this mess who follow these zany beliefs
🎯 they all have blood on their hands and should be held culpable.😡
Audrey's last name is spelled wrong in the video title. She spells her last name at the start of her testimony.
I know hey, they really butchered it😂
She wanted to eliminate her husband and you didnt do anything , ALL involved guilty!
This witness is single I thought
Thank you Nate AND everyone at East Idaho news thank you!
I don’t understand how any of those beliefs are “believable” at all. We do not know where nor when Jesus will come again. Let alone Missouri. He will be seen from every corner of the world no matter where He returns. I am blown away by all this.
Nate thank you for being the 1st to bring us Court room testimony. Much appreciated.
I'm in Missouri and have lived here my whole life, and I promise he's not coming to Missouri 💯
I’m also a born and raised Missourian and can conquer. 🙌🏻🖤
Hilarious! Missouri is out JC !!
I’m an Idahoan- also a Christian not The LDS kind-
@@CaseyMarie11-11 I’m sorry, but this comment absolutely took me out! 😂 I know just a small amount about the LDS church, so the Missouri being the scene for Garden of Eden and Christ’s return was definitely not anything I was expecting to hear today. 😆
The way they all speak creeps me TF out... So quite,and slow & the way they pause between words. Lori,and Melanie Gibb speak the exact same way. Gives me the willies 💯
Kinda like zombies would sound. 🧟♀️ 😳This would be really funny if so many people weren’t murdered.
It's the
Keep Sweet Mormon voice.
Look into Warren Jeffs.
They like their woman passive and quiet.
Well,.,.think about it. Your previous friend says a whole bunch of crazy shire and says she will find you and kill you. F yeah my voice would be weird.
Maybe they should start asking every victim in this cult If lori or chad ever threatened them.
All these people are trying to act innocent and distance themselves but they are all very very strange and creepy.
They should question her more and the Melanie gibb an all the other one’s involved mel is hideing things too
Man did prosecutor attorney Rollins drop the ball on her objections!! For example when Archibald asked Audrey where Lori told her where she got zombies from? Archibald said Chad right? Prosecutor Rollins should’ve said objection leading!!!
I heard that as well. There were several. Plus he treated her so disrespectfully! Mocking her testimony. 🙉
@@chrysa.22 yeah so many leading objections Archibald got through and the many ones prosecutor Rollins objected to were overruled!
No she is allowing the testimony because she knows she has this trial in the bag. And both attorneys already know the testimony because they deposed her during discovery phase
@@AmyCoello I disagree with you but agree that the jurors should have enough testimony and evidence that Lori did conspire to murder Tammy, JJ, and Tylee. However I disagree with you on letting the defense attorney Archibald lead the witness in her testimony. You never want that to happen.
You aren’t allowed to lead your own witness, but you can lead on cross.
IT IS OBVIOUS TO ME THESE LADIES WERE LACKING SOMETHING IN THEIR LIVES TO BELIEVE CHAD, WHO IS A LAZY UNEMPLOYED LIAR. I CAN'T WRAP MY MIND AROUND WHAT WAS SO BELIEVABLE ABOUT WHAT CHAD TOLD ALL THESE PEOPLE. CHAD IS A FRAUD. THESE LADIES MAY HAVE BELIEVED HIM BUT LORI WAS THE ONE WHO CHOSE TO HAVE AN AFFAIR WITH HIM AND MURDER HER HUSBAND AND CHILDREN. RIP JOE, CHARLES, TYLEE, JJ, AND TAMMY.
In my opinion, Audrey knows a lot more than she is telling the Court. I do not understand why Audrey didn't go to Law Enforcement, especially after Charles was killed by Alex.....or did she?
Justice for JJ, Tylee, Joseph Ryan, Charles, and Tammy. 🌼 🌸 🌻 🌼 🌸
Besides the hair bombshell, that testimony is the best thing to happen in this trial. Bye Lori, have fun in prison.
I hope they give her extra bedsheets.. 😒
Colby and Summer's phone calls alone tank Lori. Lori will die behind bars in her old hag skin suit after decades of twirling around at night as a failed goddess. Hopefully her hair falls out from stress.
It's crazy to me. These people are supposed to be very religious, but the behaviors they engaged in with lori almost sound like witchcraft. Are you that gullible and naive that someone could convince you to do things that emphatically go against what you've been taught and what you believe? And if so, you're just as guilty as she is. First, you contribute to her actions, that go against your own faith, and two, you said nothing to anyone when you knew she was dangerous.
If you see the timeline, the Missouri visit and Hawaii trip were both in October and Lori was just using Audrey as an alibi for attempts on Brandon and Tammy. Audrey ended the friendship on the return trip with Melani to Rexburg. I think Lori was snippy with Melani because the plot to get Brandon's insurance money failed. I think Audrey was all in at the beginning but all out by the end of October when she got into the quarrel with Lori.
The Judge is just letting them talk and give info. I did not know this was allowed in Court ⚖️
Interesting the prosecution is not objecting. This is really helping them despite the defense asking the questions
Wow! And for Lori to say “you’re like a child..” and then continue to threaten to do what she/they did to HER CHILDREN is evil beyond comprehension. #loriEVILdaybell
Isn’t it just hun
This is by far the most damning piece of evidence against Lori that I have seen so far in this trial. It is not circumstantial, like the single strand of her hair found on the duct tape used to bind JJ, which could have got there in one of several non-incriminating ways. It is not hearsay. It is direct evidence, which goes to the very heart of the matters at issue in this trial. Audrey, simply for being less than totally compliant with Lori's wishes, is threatened with a violent death resembling closely what had recently happened to Tylee and JJ. It exposes Lori as malevolent and vindictive, and apparently fully capable of carrying out the threats that she makes. From here on, I don't think the jury will buy the pose of her being the innocent wronged party, which she has so far only hinted at. If she has any real evidence of her innocence, she had better reveal it very soon, or it will be too late.
Amen
This chick is trying so hard to make it sound like she wasn’t as crazy as the rest of them
It's too late for tears. Every single one of these people who knew what Chad and Lori were planning should be tried along with them. So many lives could have been saved. Scary thing is, this group and others like it are still out there thriving.
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The prosecution is very solid in their questioning.
Chum and Gory had been married in previous Lies... giving marriage a bad name.
😂
My whole problem with these testimonials is that they are all adults that have faltered in their lives and made mistake after mistake yet were saved to carry on and save others, yet you have two young children who were considered to be dark spirits that could not be saved. They could not be afforded the time to be guided or taught the error of their ways and turned to the teachings that these professional religious speakers could help with. I guess it would have thrown off the podcast schedule or broken the thought process of the next book to be written. The strongest hub of leaders with such power and devotion could not help those closest to them.
It’s Fin insane!! As if a teenage girl and a 7 year old boy could be evil!! Considering the hell Lori put them through their entire lives.. I get so angry even thinking about these monsters!!
Audrey is SO desperate for friendship. Very pitiful.
Humanity is a hard game to play........
It’s ridiculous ☠️
I know this defense lawyer is trying to make the point that everyone was deceived by Chad and taken in by him but the way he is talking to this woman is so condescending. He might as well have said you’re an idiot. It’s basically what he said to her with every question. I feel bad for her. She was gullible and scared and he bullied her imo.
I truly believe he’s only doing a good job as a defense attorney, but I find both of them to be over priced asshats. In THEIR defense, I have to point out that they have little to work with and have a steep, uphill battle on their hands. I pray for the jury, that they see the truth in all of this. Audrey isn’t on trial, Lori is.
Well she was an idiot wasn't she?.. following these nut jobs🫤
I think he is doing a great job of showing how whacked they were. They all need to be talked to this way. They are taught, from an early age, they will all be gods one day, so they’re all nuts, I am glad he is showing just how involved they actually were. I didn’t think he was condescending at all. Now Prior, he is condescending. As far as I am concerned, these people all knew what was going on, they deserve all the stuff they’re getting and more. They all could have stopped some of this, maybe Tylee, or J.J., or Tammy would still be here.
Thank you for all you do. Enjoy your recap every night. Watching from Arkansas.
Melanie Boudreaux’’s children were spared. Alex went to retrieve them with Melanie but police intervened at her ex’s insistence. He saved his children after they tried to kill him. These people are nuts. How could they just sit by when people “they casted”die one by one. Mind blowing.
I cant imagine being THAT crazy...
I mean.... yeah, I think a lot of us can believe lori is the type of person who would say something that diabolical. She is evil. The defense attorneys really do believe they can make her seem sweet and innocent. That is hilarious...
Audrey needs prison time, I think she is involved too.
Amen.
I think all of Lori’s "former" friends were involved.. 😒
It’s almost like a middle school “mean girls click” that uses a Ouija board and has seances…. Dark spirits. Except it went too far. These gullible girls like Audrey were easy targets.
@@vjdalady like extreme version of the film "The Craft" 🫣
Some people are more trusting. I wouldn't have thought I would get manipulated by someone, but I did. They know how to say the right things to suck you in. I think Audrey is a sincere and caring person. Can you imagine being sucked in by these people and then giving to come forward and testify? It would be hard.
Apparently this is the testimony that enraged and/or agitated Lori Doorbell enough that she appears aggressive in face and posture during it [according to a juror after the trial ended as is their right to talk about it or not]. So I'm gonna listen again.
How come there's no objection to Archibald leading the witness? He asks where Lori heard these things from, Audrey hesitates trying to remember & form an answer, he says "Chad, right?", hoping she'll agree. This is putting words in her mouth. Why no objection?
This is why Audrey isn't called as a witness in Chad's trial going on right now.
Listening to Audrey's testimony I am reminded of the English Proverb: "Birds of a feather flock together."
Her family definitly has blinders o9n I wouldn't have believed any of this bullshit for a seco0ne. If my nephew wasw missing I would have called the cops in a heartbeat.
My question is Why didn't anyone go to the police when they learned about the real intent for Lori and Chad to remove zombies? I would have first told Lori and Chad they were nut jobs and then I would have told cops what was going on and asked for them to investigate. I would have told their Bishop what was happening and for their temple recs to be revoked and they get excommunicated...and never visit them again. Why did all these friends keep visiting with them????
Because they are not as innocent as they are letting on
Charles did try to intervene by calling the police regarding Lori’s abnormal weird behaviors. He wanted her evaluated and nothing was done so Charles ends up dead.
@@wednesday9623 or they are scared. Jason mow was ex cop. The cops didn't believe charles. Their previous safe happy social life is now crazy dangerous. Unless you're in their shoes judgement is shortsighted.
That's exactly what Charles tried to do and look how he ended up plus the police didn't believe him.
Why is this woman so adamant that she’s trusting, a good person with a big heart??
I’ve never seen someone act like that…very weird
I think that kool aid had some acid in it. All of these LDS people are "off"
Who are these LDS people attending these conferences that are not church approved? A few of these book authors of end times or visionaries, and do podcasts about spiritual experiences saying they are in charge of gathering people, or giving conferences to sell their books of bologna and/or sign up to give everything you own to their cause have been excommunicated. If it's not the prophet, general authorities, stake president or bishop telling you it's time to prep and follow a random LDS member, then don't do it. That has always been the way the church is run. What LDS person believes in zombies??? Christ is always the answer, not someone trying to make money off of you.
Some of these people that followed Chad and Lori seemed desperate for friends. They say they had "bad" or "gut" feelings that it was all wrong but followed them anyway. We all have sisters assigned to us in our ward so if you need something, reach out. Don't follow a "Chad" before you follow your bishop or the prophet.
LDS seems to spawn these coocoo for cocopuffs wow how many attended these conferences and what are they doing now????
@@NrthrnKnght any religion can have members who become delusional
Amen
Melanie Gibb hosted Prepping A People talks at Fireside meetings on the LDS Warren property. LDS has accountability with the cross contamination of mainstream LDS and LDS fringe beliefs.