Something I thought would be cool and fairly historical is if each settlement could pick a unique pantheon/god, since each pantheon is closer to an individual god in Civ 5-7 anyways in antiquity. This would reflect the more local and patronage based gods that a lot of faiths had. Then, when you form a religion you can either choose to keep those gods and merge them for a polytheistic religion, keeping weaker versions of all their buffs, or choose to favor one specific god and develop into a monotheistic religion, losing the more diverse beliefs each city had in exchange for a far stronger buff in favor of one particular path. I feel like that would be a really cool way to represent how most religions actually developed.
I like how theyve aimed to make civ less eurocentric in most ways, but it's a shame they've not changed the very Christian model of religion with missionaries, relics and converting everyone else to your religion. It'd be neat if you could make religions with different 'goals' beside converting everyone to your religion, ie ones which instead focus on keeping your religion strong in your own city.
You’re wrong? Missionaries aren’t inherent to Christianity. It’s just often associated because missionary is the English term and England is Christian historically. Also, you can make religion with other win conditions? It’s just meaning that religion itself isn’t your win con? What you’re asking for is absurd.
If a religion doesn't spread, it dies. The history of religion is defined by how effectively they spread and capture the minds of new believers --- the measure of religion's impact on other elements of society (as Civ VII is addressing) likewise depends on how prominently a religion has spread: how many believers it has. That being said, it would be entirely possible for a specific civilization to come along with a unique rule or mechanic that offers what you're describing (because I don't think it's a bad idea, it's just not an issue of eurocentrism) -- think the Congo or even India in Civ VI, but with more of an impact, perhaps by changing the metric by which religious strength or success is measured (e.g. "lack of followers of opposing religions" instead of "followers", as one example)
It would be cool if the religions you can pick from have some unique things about them. I would like to see accurate religious architecture for each one. And i dont know how they would implement it but imagine you could make vatican city if you have catholicism as a sort of city state. Maybe they are ways to make religious gameplay unique like that.
Really like the look of religion here being tied into the culture victory and also areas of the domination victory, it always felt strange having it standalone and feels good having it intertwined with variable different playthroughs. Only nitpick being the text/effect when you spread your religion (around 8:13) with a missionary looks so cheap! Hopefully a placeholder for now.
Did hate to have to control dozens of missionaries and apostles and fight with them others by them blowing lightnings of their fingers as the emperor in starwars... they should change that to thunderbolts out of their arse... ;)
That's one element of the three-Age split I hadn't considered --- that they can use each Age to focus on different elements of gameplay, rather than having them all crammed in together competing for attention throughout the whole game. I really like that religion plays a central role in multiple victory conditions throughout the Exploration Age, because that maps very well onto real history. It will be interesting to see what they do with the Modern Age considering this will allow them to focus on tropes of modern civilization (without also having major religious influences to worry about, as one example)
Im curious why they dont implement a religions character. So you can have pantheons/beliefs that encourage you to dominate the world, and those pantheons would shape your culture that way. Alternatively, you can have Buddhism like religions that encourage you to persue peace from within, making your culture more scientific.
@rudequartz when I think Altar, I just think of a single "table" for religious observance. When I think Shrine, I think of a whole building constructed around that altar. Look at the Shrine building in Civilization VI to see what I am referring to.
Never liked how religion worked in 6. Dumb that only certain number of religions can exist and that those religions never splinter. Utterly absurd given historical reality. Should also get much bigger benefits from secular societies later in the game
ugh, so they're keeping the main thing I disliked about civ6 religion, the manual moving about and managing of missionaries. That's disappointing, ah well.
Some of it look's preetty good and intersting , sadly they ****ed it up by civ switching and the three mini games . Hopefully keep some idea's to transfer over to Civ 8
I'm so excited for this game, but still so worried that the separation of leaders from their own historical civs will ultimately water down the entire experience, or introduce massive amounts of meta-gaming, forcing you to always pick certain rulers with certain civs to largely remain relevant throughout the game.... Humankind was really plagued by this...and playing as some late medieval Spanish queen when picking the Maya or Han China just seems a bit incohesive. Still hoping for the best, got a lot of good times out of Humankind, but I guess it was too much to hope that they would revert back more to the style of CIV V
I know that it's quite niche, but does "Not losing your own religion in your holy city, ever" mean that you can't choose to make full use of other players' religions? I thought it was quite neat that a fellow player could make a good religious combo and you could sort of adopt it if you liked the benefits too and didn't want your own
the only two questions on anyone's mind: 1. Will Civ 7 let us pick Gandhi ? 2. Will Gandhi get access to enhanced nuclear weapons ?
YES
The AI never uses nuclear weapons
Gandhi has not yet been announced as the civ 7 leader
@birkuru which is why the 2 questions are: 1. Will Civ 7 let us pick Gandhi? And 2. Will Gandhi get access to enhanced nuclear weapons?
"Majapahit" will always remind me of "History of The Entire World, I Guess" by Bill Wurtz.
Ding!
Mapajahit
Something I thought would be cool and fairly historical is if each settlement could pick a unique pantheon/god, since each pantheon is closer to an individual god in Civ 5-7 anyways in antiquity. This would reflect the more local and patronage based gods that a lot of faiths had. Then, when you form a religion you can either choose to keep those gods and merge them for a polytheistic religion, keeping weaker versions of all their buffs, or choose to favor one specific god and develop into a monotheistic religion, losing the more diverse beliefs each city had in exchange for a far stronger buff in favor of one particular path. I feel like that would be a really cool way to represent how most religions actually developed.
Good idea!
I found religion so tedious in Civ 6 that I always turned it off as a victory condition. Some improvements it seems here, but I remain dubious.
Agreed. At lest it’s limited to exploration age only
Same for me. I hate Religion in 6, also the fact that religious unit ignore closed borders. I 100% always disable it as a victory condition.
Nice the Mapajahit are in the game
Oh uhhhm Mahapajit
Ma Ja Pa Hit?
God this game looks great but they really have to put some attention to those leaders and icons 😭
I like how theyve aimed to make civ less eurocentric in most ways, but it's a shame they've not changed the very Christian model of religion with missionaries, relics and converting everyone else to your religion.
It'd be neat if you could make religions with different 'goals' beside converting everyone to your religion, ie ones which instead focus on keeping your religion strong in your own city.
You’re wrong? Missionaries aren’t inherent to Christianity. It’s just often associated because missionary is the English term and England is Christian historically. Also, you can make religion with other win conditions? It’s just meaning that religion itself isn’t your win con? What you’re asking for is absurd.
If a religion doesn't spread, it dies. The history of religion is defined by how effectively they spread and capture the minds of new believers --- the measure of religion's impact on other elements of society (as Civ VII is addressing) likewise depends on how prominently a religion has spread: how many believers it has. That being said, it would be entirely possible for a specific civilization to come along with a unique rule or mechanic that offers what you're describing (because I don't think it's a bad idea, it's just not an issue of eurocentrism) -- think the Congo or even India in Civ VI, but with more of an impact, perhaps by changing the metric by which religious strength or success is measured (e.g. "lack of followers of opposing religions" instead of "followers", as one example)
Maybe they should change missionaries to jihadists for a fresh new take!
It would be cool if the religions you can pick from have some unique things about them. I would like to see accurate religious architecture for each one. And i dont know how they would implement it but imagine you could make vatican city if you have catholicism as a sort of city state. Maybe they are ways to make religious gameplay unique like that.
Really like the look of religion here being tied into the culture victory and also areas of the domination victory, it always felt strange having it standalone and feels good having it intertwined with variable different playthroughs.
Only nitpick being the text/effect when you spread your religion (around 8:13) with a missionary looks so cheap! Hopefully a placeholder for now.
Did hate to have to control dozens of missionaries and apostles and fight with them others by them blowing lightnings of their fingers as the emperor in starwars... they should change that to thunderbolts out of their arse... ;)
That's one element of the three-Age split I hadn't considered --- that they can use each Age to focus on different elements of gameplay, rather than having them all crammed in together competing for attention throughout the whole game. I really like that religion plays a central role in multiple victory conditions throughout the Exploration Age, because that maps very well onto real history. It will be interesting to see what they do with the Modern Age considering this will allow them to focus on tropes of modern civilization (without also having major religious influences to worry about, as one example)
i really hope religion is not too anoying with hyper aggressiv ai...
One of the first mods will be removing that everybody can found a religion and holy cities can be converted.
And I will install that mod ASAP.
I dont see what the problem with allowing everyone to found a religion, however the holy city thing is annoying.
@@Smilemonster1912 It simply waters it down. There will be less of a race to found your own religion.
Im curious why they dont implement a religions character. So you can have pantheons/beliefs that encourage you to dominate the world, and those pantheons would shape your culture that way. Alternatively, you can have Buddhism like religions that encourage you to persue peace from within, making your culture more scientific.
Kinda wish there was a non-religious option. Maybe a religious tolerance option that you could build towards.
1:30 Michael Stipe: nooooo!
All the features available after the 3rd DLC. No thanks.
Borobudur doesn't built adjacent to coast... 😅
I was hoping we had more options to reduce/remove religion. it looks like its too maincore now, unavoidable.
ahh yes the civ 7 comment section experience.
looks good but holy cities being unable to be converted is lame. It was always fun converting other civilizations to your religion fully.
It doesn't make any sense. It's like Rome still being Pagan.
Whilst its a minor quibble, I really wish they'd rename "Altar" to "Shrine". It sounds so much more.....grand to me.
Really? Altar sounds grander to me than shrine.
@rudequartz when I think Altar, I just think of a single "table" for religious observance. When I think Shrine, I think of a whole building constructed around that altar. Look at the Shrine building in Civilization VI to see what I am referring to.
Never liked how religion worked in 6. Dumb that only certain number of religions can exist and that those religions never splinter. Utterly absurd given historical reality.
Should also get much bigger benefits from secular societies later in the game
Secular societies don't exist
ugh, so they're keeping the main thing I disliked about civ6 religion, the manual moving about and managing of missionaries. That's disappointing, ah well.
Oh no the bot(s) are here Love the content can’t wait for civ 7. Civ 6 is the only civ game I can play looking forward to the switch up
What if you’re a bot tho
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What if you're a bot ?
@@MiguelBaptista1981what if I am?
@@blueflame5975 Maybe we're all bots and we just don't know it!
@@craig_z Domo Arigato, Mr. Roboto.
Will be playing as Russia.
Will convert the world to Orthodoxy.
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I hoped some beliefs would be tied to a religion. To give them a stronger identity.
they broke the game in three parts... im so disappointed. :/
Some of it look's preetty good and intersting , sadly they ****ed it up by civ switching and the three mini games . Hopefully keep some idea's to transfer over to Civ 8
I dont like being forced to play a game within their parameters, I want the freedom to play my way. Targets wont work for me.
I'm so excited for this game, but still so worried that the separation of leaders from their own historical civs will ultimately water down the entire experience, or introduce massive amounts of meta-gaming, forcing you to always pick certain rulers with certain civs to largely remain relevant throughout the game....
Humankind was really plagued by this...and playing as some late medieval Spanish queen when picking the Maya or Han China just seems a bit incohesive.
Still hoping for the best, got a lot of good times out of Humankind, but I guess it was too much to hope that they would revert back more to the style of CIV V
Civilisation 7 will release before cities skylines 2 has anymore updates
I know that it's quite niche, but does "Not losing your own religion in your holy city, ever" mean that you can't choose to make full use of other players' religions? I thought it was quite neat that a fellow player could make a good religious combo and you could sort of adopt it if you liked the benefits too and didn't want your own
It looks like a 5 year old went on to Microsoft paint and spent 10 minutes on this GUI
It looks awful
they should add in customizable cosmetic option for UI. However to me, i think the simpler the UI the better
Can’t wait for sukritact ui mod
They did spend 10 minutes, it’s always the last thing to get finished, after the gameplay is locked down
No way bro, you're just mad because it's different
2:16 pretty lame they don’t have Asatru or any other pagan/heathen faith
Listen
Trans Julius Ceasar
Make it happen Bigots!
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