Just thought I'd post a comment here :))) I apologize if this comment gets a little long, but I tend to write somewhat long comments. I must say that I find the concept of MIDI guitars rather fascinating. I'm not actually a guitarist at all, but for some reason, for a long time I had never even thought of the idea of using a "guitar" (or at the very least, a "guitar-like" device) to play MIDI/synthesizer/techno sounds; I've always associated those kinds of sounds with keyboards and drum machines which are obviously not guitars or other stringed instruments. I came across the Expressive MIDI Pro 2 guitar when reading and learning about different kinds of MIDI guitars, so I thought I'd look for a video on it, and I'm glad I found this one! I'm well aware of the whole "pitch-to-MIDI" method for getting MIDI data from a stringed instrument and the kind of latency you can experience with it; the latency can actually vary with increasing or decreasing pitch, and the reason for that is obvious (provided you didn't fall asleep in your basic physics class! hahahaha). I think what you've done here is, at least to me, a much better method of pitch tracking. Firstly, it is an exact simulation of how guitar playing actually works. Think about it... guitar playing is really a 2-handed operation: the fretting hand is responsible for selecting the pitch to play (that's "select", not "activate" or "play"), then the strumming hand actually "activates" or "triggers" that selected pitch. This device accurately simulates that with its sensors and the MIDI data they output, contrary to pitch-to-MIDI conversion, which means the tracking is as instantaneous as with a keyboard, regardless of the actual "frequency" the string vibrates at. Secondly, adding to that is the fact that the amount of latency (if any at all) is totally consistent across the entire frequency spectrum pretty much; this again is precisely like how any MIDI keyboard works. So, if we know that the MIDI note is determined by calculation of which fret is being pressed, would it be fair to say that when you start strumming, the device only calculates the "intensity" of the sound wave produced by the string (as opposed to the "frequency")? I mean, it seems this is not unlike how a decibel reader works; a decibel reader only calculates "volume" or "amplitude", not "pitch" or "frequency". Would you say this observation is correct? Oh, and one more thing I forgot to mention: As I was listening to this video, I was focusing on the delay time between the sound of the string plucks and the sound of the synthesizers, and I did not hear any change in that delay time when you increased or decreased pitch on the strings. So that further proves my point about latency that I mentioned earlier. As someone who is actually visually impaired (completely blind, to be precise), I actually appreciate that you captured the sound from the actual strings in addition to the synthesizer sounds for this video, because that helps me have an idea of how legit this really is. I feel like far too often, on videos like this where someone demonstrates some kind of electronic musical instrument, they only capture the sound directly from the instrument and none of the 'mechanical' noise from the instrument itself (you know, the clicks, pops, and rattles produced by the actual hardware buttons/sliders/strings as they're moved). Sometimes that's a good thing, but other times it's nice to hear those noises; whether or not those sounds are necessary could depend on what you're actually trying to showcase with the instrument, or on whether or not you even want those sounds (and other factors as well). Well now I'm sort of rambling on at this point, but anyways, feel free to reply when you're able to do so :))
Watched the video. This guitar actually blew my mind. As a local musician who not only plays guitar but plays keys, synth, strings and other instruments, I was amazed at not only the crisp clean sound but the capabilities of this beautiful instrument. I'm always looking for ways to expand my creativity and this guitar looks to be the most perfect way. I will be purchasing one very soon and will be telling everyone about this amazing and versatile instrument. Why I'm sure you already have one I would love to sponsor spokesman for such an amazing guitar but also ×hat looks to be an amazing company
Avete fatto un lavoro davvero straordinario con questa chitarra. In passato usavo un convertitore roland gm 70 su una Telecaster '66. Pilotavo 4 expander inseriti al momento opportuno tramite pedali di volume..Era bello, ma tanto faticoso da trasportare e collegare. Oggi con la Vostra chitarra vedo una sintesi di tutto ciò che facevo in passato con molte opzioni in più e senza problemi di latenza o note indesiderate. Davvero congratulazioni, gran bel lavoro. E' una chitarra che prima o poi acquisterò. Grazie per il bellissimo video
Paid deposit - can’t wait. Paul Davids also brought me here. Haven’t quite decided how I’ll use this midi guitar yet but there is infinite potential for experimentation even within a DAW, and it’s a great sounding guitar. Thanks!
Completely amazed by expressiv bass. Unfotunately, with the currency the way it is, in Brasil, it would be the price of a house. One day maybe. Congratulations for your amazing instruments.
Hi Rob, Thanks for your explanations. I have been using Roland's GR-55/GK-3, Fishmann's TP and Casio GP-380 and all sorts of Godin Guitars. As a Jazz guitarist I am mostly playing chords with plenty of alterations all over the fretboard. However, all my current MIDI guitar equipment turned out to be useless when playing Piano like sounds because of tracking issues (the played chord doesn't match, what is played) and too many ghost notes (unwanted sound artifacts). Would I still have to expect and suffer from these tracking and ghost notes issues with Piano like sounds when playing Jazz chords with MIDI Pro 2 Guitar?
Yup I am in the same boat as you! I've bought every guitar synth with high hopes for the future but have always been dissapointed! Did this guy ever get back to you or did you ever get any more info?? Maybe if we just focus on one sound on the guitar synth like Pat it would make it easier!! Lol! I am interested to get more info on this
Hi I must say this looks cool bit I have always been dissapointed with every guitar synth I've ever bought. I really am interested in the tracking. What has been the consensus of that aspect on this guitar?? If it's great I'll get it. Thanks
As a pro midi guitarist this caught my interest. I'm just finishing off another midi guitar album at the moment and this looks like it will allow me to perform it all live without worrying about extra notes etc. The price is waaaaaaaay beyond me though. Starting at nearly 3 grand! Spotify doesn't pay me nearly enough (or at all) 😂 I fell into the trap of thinking the Jamstk was what I needed, but....well a review is coming soon! I would need to try one before I even think about raising the money. I'm sticking with the TriplePlay and Midi Guitar 2 live for bands and music show demos/performances. Also, I would need easy 24 fret access and a whammy bar. Is that a possibility? Also, also big question. Is it roadworthy and drummerproof??
Man, gotta hand it to you guys, that is a really damn clever way to get around the inherent latency issues and possibility of misinterpreting when using a system that tries to listen to the strings. Shame it's not really a retrofittable thing, or at least harder to do something like that... Just out of interest, how strict are the limitations on action being set up really well? If the strings rattle a tiny bit, contacting other frets further up the neck, will they trigger the wrong notes at times?
does it accurately translate and record midi notes in Daw ? any video demonstrate this process ....searching , searching ....all videos just showing oblivious fiddling with no match to midi notes in writing ...any idea or video link ❓
Unfortunately, since Covid there has not been so many live performances. However, we hope live music is on its way back and we'll see more live performances soon :-)
Thanks for your comment! You can absolutely use the XY Pad without effects, you can customise it to do whatever you want! Both prices put you in the build queue we just find some people prefer to spread the payments out a little. Hope that helps!
Is there any option to programm the fingerpads for other functions like switching presets or trigger preprogrammed Sounds not connected directly with the current preset (sound) Let's say I wanna put druming set in those. And play piano on strings.
Hello Felip. Yes, there are many options for programming the finger pads. They can be set to control individual notes (not linked to the fretted notes) or for triggering the fretted notes. Triggering from finger pads can be disabled and they can be set as switches (latching and non latching) on any CC, AT or CP. They are very flexible. It is no problem to play a piano on one channel from the strings, and play a separate synthesizer on a separate channel from the finger pads. Each finger pad can be set to an individual note, so you can set the first pad for say a kick drum, the second pad for a snare etc. Thank you for the question.
@@RORGuitars thank you for feedback. I just woke up and realised how much does it cost. Dont get me wrong I know that your product is unique and you can set price whatever you want. But the price is really overwhelming. I can guaranty that more people would buy it if it could be more affordable. So right now it stands on my wishlist next to the more expensive things which I may buy or may not buy in 5-7years.
@@FelipotheMiraculous Thank you so much for your comments, we currently keep our prices as low as possible as we want as many musicians as possible to have access to our instruments. We are super proud of the high-quality instruments we hand-build in our workshop in Ireland. With each instrument being comprised of over 700 parts, it is a time-consuming and costly production. Not to mention the time we put into the development of the software to continuously improve our instruments. We are so appreciative of your kind comments and support and we wish you all the best with your future midi endeavours!
Based on his explanation of the system, the strings and frets together basically form a matrix circuit, which is used to detect the notes. That requires conductive strings, so unwound nylons probably just wouldn't work at all. =/
Paul davids brought me here too lol. Its not the guitar itself that is confusing but the synthesizer that is confusing . Could you do a video on how to basically set them up for home studio? I know it may sound down right stupid bit im totally new to it.
Hi there. The MP2 guitar is plug and play with any synthesizer. You do not need to know much about synthesizers to have a wonderful experience. It's plug and play using a standard 5 pin MIDI cable for hardware synthesizers or a USB cable for software synthesizers. However musicians with an in depth understanding of MIDI and synthesizers can dive into the menu and do whatever they like. If you drop an email to rorguitars@gmail.com and request a user guide we can send you one. Thanks!
Is there a way to have tap mode operating polyphonically on one string? IE fretting two notes on the same string and having them sounding simultaneously, as opposed to the first note cutting off when the second one is struck?
Hi Jon, thanks for your question. The MIDI Pro 2 only plays one note at a time per string. The highest fretted note on the string will sound. With over 10 years of experience on using the string / fret contacts this is the best way to have amazing MIDI guitar tracking. However, we do have some great features such as Multi-Notes where the guitar can send multiple notes to make up chords by only playing one fretted note. Hope this answers your question!
@@RORGuitars Can the fretboard scanning (with tap mode) feature be applied to an existing guitar? Or, built into a new acoustic guitar, be it an Emerald that uses a ghost piezo bridge or another wooden guitar that uses a pickup with midi output?
What you’re asking is really an oxymoron. If it were to do that, you would disrupt basic mechanics and it would speak in a language no one could understand. Why would that even be something you would want? Think of the downside and the question answers itself.
Hi Rob. Could you tell me if the guitar you are presenting in this video is the standard Stealth Black (Matte) color you offer or something else. I love it and I am considering ordering one but still did not decided on the color.
Hi Kuba, Thanks for your questions. Yes, we have hundreds of colour options. Our standard is matte black. We also do gloss white and Carmine Red. We can make a MP2 guitar in any colour from the RAL chart and we also do custom wood options. For example we are currently making a MP2 in oiled burl wood. Send an email to rorguitars@gmail.com for more information.
So is this using Midi MPE to allow you to bend the individual strings? or do you need to set the strings to their own midi channels to bend individual strings?
@@greghilligiest8313 I mean, MIDI guitars have already been using MPE in a way for years. Assigning each string to its own channel, which is already done on lots of MIDI guitars, is basically already a replication of how MPE works. Even like 10 or 20 years ago MIDI guitars were already doing this.
He says in the video that he's set each string to a different midi channel, so yes it's mpe even if they're not marketing it that way. I don't imagine it can be set to switch channels automatically with every individual note, like an mpe keyboard, but I don't think it needs to do that, as it's effectively six independent monophonic controllers.
haha i like how he keeps playing only minor chords all over the neck. this guitar is all i ever wanted. THANK YOU! i will start putting money away now lol.
Hi Rob. This is very impressive. As a Roland-ready Fender Strat player using a GR55 synth I am happy to see someone NOT using the horrible crackly old 13-pin cables sold with the Roland GR55 synth pedal. Is your guitar system with its USB, 5pin midi and 1/4" jack connectors capable of driving a GR55 pedal in its full capacity? Would there be any limitations or any incompatibilities in attempting this kind of ROR/GR55 combination technically?
Hi Murray, The MIDI Pro 2 guitar sends very accurate MIDI output. However, it is designed to work with standard MIDI. From my understanding, the GR55 is especially designed to work with the ROLAND 13 pin connector which is not standard MIDI. Therefore our guitar does not work with it. However, I imagine that say the XY pad could be set up to control some parameters of the sounds from the GR55 using the other MIDI input of the GR55 which is designed for external foot controllers etc. Of course if you get an external Roland GK-3 system and fit it to the MIDI Pro 2 guitar. Please note that the full potential of the MIDI Pro 2 guitar is in connecting it to a MIDI standard synthesizer. There are hundreds available on the market, everywhere from Ebay to Thomann, amazon etc. Check a few out such as Roland JV1010, Korg MicroKorg, Moog Minitaur etc. Hope that answers your questions.
@@RORGuitars Yes thanks Rob. The weakness of the GR55 Roland system is the 13-pin cable hardware (essentially somewhat like a stereo car radio cable system from 197_?)! The GR55 synth itself was an awesome development, especially useful as a cover band option where the Roland keyboarder is missing (most of the Roland keyboard sounds are there, plus you get guitar modelling, amp sims and multi-fx for natural and modelled guitars)! On the forums I've seen some guys using Centronics printer cable systems and the like to get a more robust roadworthy hardware for the 13 pin signal path of the GR55. In my view Roland still needs to redesign their cable and signal system into a more roadworthy 13-pin hardware cable type as there's just too much snap crackle and pop some days!
Hey there, thanks for your question. The MIDI Pro 2 and the Expressiv MIDI Pro 2 are the same instrument. We also refer to it as the MP2. It is the only MIDI guitar model that we produce in 2021, although there are custom options.
Yes, it does- there are also various parameters you can adjust to suit your playing style! Feel free to drop an email to rorguirats@gmail.com with any questions about the specs! Thanks!
Thoughts I had when watching this (in order of appearance): - one-mic room sound with the presenter yelling over the speakers instrument sounds and looks bad. - I can't hear the piezo pickup in all that reverb on top of the room sound - using a pretty mushy, fizzy pad sound with slow attack is probably the worst choice for demonstrating the different ways to trigger notes - fret->string contact switching has been done in the VOX organ guitars in the 1960s already and that turned out to be a pretty huge source of headaches after a few years. What have you done to address the underlying corrosion issues, what does that mean for instrument maintenance, refretting etc.? - how fast you can trigger notes is absolutely no indicator for latency and that processing the contact keying is fast enough to keep up with your hands shouldn't be worth mentioning in 2022 - explaining MIDI basics is for MIDI tutorial videos, not for a product presentation - the "Pad" is actually a touchscreen, isn't it? Sorry for the scrutiny but beyond 3000 bucks my mind becomes a little inquiring
Thanks for your comments. Yes, we have been working on the system for over 10 years to bring this feature set to wonderful musicians and we're proud to stand over it!
Hi Jackie. The MP2 guitar is plug and play with any hardware or software synthesizer. By software synthesizer we mean any laptop with a DAW (digital audio workstation). There are hundreds of hardware synthesizers available on the market place, such as Korg Micro Korg, Roland JV1010, Moog etc. Virtually any synthesizer with a 5 pin input will work with the guitar. So it is not limited to laptops whatsoever. Hardware synthesizers are also extremely reliable for live performance. If you need a copy of our user guide, just email us to rorguitars@gmail.com. Thanks!
Hi Mark, don't worry, we're going to make you a wonderful instrument! If you have not heard back from Katie already, can you drop us a quick email to rorguitars@gmail.com. Normally we send an email right away but perhaps an email was lost in spam. Thanks and looking forward to making your MIDI Pro :-) Rob
@@gothxm idk what I was seeing, it was a PayPal page for $42. Maybe it was to hold a slot? Now I see it's 3k and I'm sure it's worth every penny. I'd buy one immediately but I am buying a house right now.
Hi there. Everything on this video is played using synthesizers as opposed to effects. The guitar has both a digital output (called MIDI) and an analog output (like a standard guitar output). The guitar can control effects, but much of the power lyes in controlling synthesizers. The synthesizer creates the sound, the guitar tells it what to do. In this way, thousands of new sounds and the entire range of notes on the musical scale are available to the guitarist. But you may also use the guitar with the standard output as a normal guitar and control effects with MIDI.
We do not make a tremolo bridge. The Expressiv MIDI Pro system has many sensors to give real time accurate control over a synthesizer. A tremolo bridge would not allow for this great synthesizer control. However it does support MIDI pitch bend from each string and from the joystick. For bending the analog output notes, you may use something like the Digital Whammy pedal which can be controlled from the XY Pad or the Joystick.
So basically there is a sensor on the saddle measuring the tension for each string? Just thinking out of loud with no technical awareness but in that case maybe it could work for a tremolo bridge... Or it gets more complicated?
Paul Davids brought me here :D
Me too 🤣
Me too
Same
Likewise
Just thought I'd post a comment here :))) I apologize if this comment gets a little long, but I tend to write somewhat long comments.
I must say that I find the concept of MIDI guitars rather fascinating. I'm not actually a guitarist at all, but for some reason, for a long time I had never even thought of the idea of using a "guitar" (or at the very least, a "guitar-like" device) to play MIDI/synthesizer/techno sounds; I've always associated those kinds of sounds with keyboards and drum machines which are obviously not guitars or other stringed instruments.
I came across the Expressive MIDI Pro 2 guitar when reading and learning about different kinds of MIDI guitars, so I thought I'd look for a video on it, and I'm glad I found this one!
I'm well aware of the whole "pitch-to-MIDI" method for getting MIDI data from a stringed instrument and the kind of latency you can experience with it; the latency can actually vary with increasing or decreasing pitch, and the reason for that is obvious (provided you didn't fall asleep in your basic physics class! hahahaha).
I think what you've done here is, at least to me, a much better method of pitch tracking. Firstly, it is an exact simulation of how guitar playing actually works. Think about it... guitar playing is really a 2-handed operation: the fretting hand is responsible for selecting the pitch to play (that's "select", not "activate" or "play"), then the strumming hand actually "activates" or "triggers" that selected pitch. This device accurately simulates that with its sensors and the MIDI data they output, contrary to pitch-to-MIDI conversion, which means the tracking is as instantaneous as with a keyboard, regardless of the actual "frequency" the string vibrates at. Secondly, adding to that is the fact that the amount of latency (if any at all) is totally consistent across the entire frequency spectrum pretty much; this again is precisely like how any MIDI keyboard works.
So, if we know that the MIDI note is determined by calculation of which fret is being pressed, would it be fair to say that when you start strumming, the device only calculates the "intensity" of the sound wave produced by the string (as opposed to the "frequency")? I mean, it seems this is not unlike how a decibel reader works; a decibel reader only calculates "volume" or "amplitude", not "pitch" or "frequency". Would you say this observation is correct?
Oh, and one more thing I forgot to mention:
As I was listening to this video, I was focusing on the delay time between the sound of the string plucks and the sound of the synthesizers, and I did not hear any change in that delay time when you increased or decreased pitch on the strings. So that further proves my point about latency that I mentioned earlier. As someone who is actually visually impaired (completely blind, to be precise), I actually appreciate that you captured the sound from the actual strings in addition to the synthesizer sounds for this video, because that helps me have an idea of how legit this really is. I feel like far too often, on videos like this where someone demonstrates some kind of electronic musical instrument, they only capture the sound directly from the instrument and none of the 'mechanical' noise from the instrument itself (you know, the clicks, pops, and rattles produced by the actual hardware buttons/sliders/strings as they're moved). Sometimes that's a good thing, but other times it's nice to hear those noises; whether or not those sounds are necessary could depend on what you're actually trying to showcase with the instrument, or on whether or not you even want those sounds (and other factors as well).
Well now I'm sort of rambling on at this point, but anyways, feel free to reply when you're able to do so :))
Watched the video. This guitar actually blew my mind. As a local musician who not only plays guitar but plays keys, synth, strings and other instruments, I was amazed at not only the crisp clean sound but the capabilities of this beautiful instrument. I'm always looking for ways to expand my creativity and this guitar looks to be the most perfect way. I will be purchasing one very soon and will be telling everyone about this amazing and versatile instrument. Why I'm sure you already have one I would love to sponsor spokesman for such an amazing guitar but also ×hat looks to be an amazing company
Of all the ways to trigger the notes the Turd way was my favorite !!
Wow. We come a long way Rob since the Dragons show. Rock on
Rob- Hi there! This is REALLY amazing what you have done. You should win engineering awards!
This would be definitely the guitar I would be using at aEDM Festival 🎎 🎸
What an amazing instrument! You have really elevated the form! Well done!
Thanks so much, great to hear you like it!
Midi-Mellotron vst plus amp+Guitar effects = Stairway to Heaven on 1 guitar
Damn man. I need this guitar so badly. I cant believe how fully featured it is... dream guitar. Im gonna have to sell my soul to get this...
Don't sell your soul, you need it for making music!!
Can I send a contract for your soul ? Or meet me at the crossroads ?
Avete fatto un lavoro davvero straordinario con questa chitarra. In passato usavo un convertitore roland gm 70 su una Telecaster '66. Pilotavo 4 expander inseriti al momento opportuno tramite pedali di volume..Era bello, ma tanto faticoso da trasportare e collegare. Oggi con la Vostra chitarra vedo una sintesi di tutto ciò che facevo in passato con molte opzioni in più e senza problemi di latenza o note indesiderate. Davvero congratulazioni, gran bel lavoro. E' una chitarra che prima o poi acquisterò. Grazie per il bellissimo video
Thanks John, have seen your channel and it's great. Thanks for the comment and keep up the good work!
Paid deposit - can’t wait. Paul Davids also brought me here. Haven’t quite decided how I’ll use this midi guitar yet but there is infinite potential for experimentation even within a DAW, and it’s a great sounding guitar. Thanks!
Very excited to start building your insturment!
Did you get yours yet ? Can't wait to get mine !
@@tinkerman9224 Yes thanks, arrived safely earlier this year in Sky Blue with all the extras. It took a while to process through US Customs. Enjoy!
@@IndieRocknRollRadio That’s awesome. Can you let me know how it’s going setting it up ?
@@tinkerman9224 I did have issues, but it was just me since ROR supplies all the necessary information in PDFs, etc. I’m sure you’ll have no trouble.
Completely amazed by expressiv bass. Unfotunately, with the currency the way it is, in Brasil, it would be the price of a house. One day maybe. Congratulations for your amazing instruments.
Thank you for your complements Luiz!
Hi Rob, Thanks for your explanations.
I have been using Roland's GR-55/GK-3, Fishmann's TP and Casio GP-380 and all sorts of Godin Guitars.
As a Jazz guitarist I am mostly playing chords with plenty of alterations all over the fretboard.
However, all my current MIDI guitar equipment turned out to be useless when playing Piano like sounds because of tracking issues (the played chord doesn't match, what is played) and too many ghost notes (unwanted sound artifacts).
Would I still have to expect and suffer from these tracking and ghost notes issues with Piano like sounds when playing Jazz chords with MIDI Pro 2 Guitar?
Yup I am in the same boat as you! I've bought every guitar synth with high hopes for the future but have always been dissapointed! Did this guy ever get back to you or did you ever get any more info?? Maybe if we just focus on one sound on the guitar synth like Pat it would make it easier!! Lol! I am interested to get more info on this
Hi I must say this looks cool bit I have always been dissapointed with every guitar synth I've ever bought. I really am interested in the tracking. What has been the consensus of that aspect on this guitar?? If it's great I'll get it. Thanks
I need to get this amazing project..
Would love to hear what the bass sounds like 🎸👍🏾
I'am so excited to get this !
OK, I took the plunge...very excited!
Midi-Mellotron vst plus amp+Guitar effects = Stairway to Heaven on 1 guitar......
You sir, are a genius. I own a Casio Midi bought ages ago. I will be buying your guitar soon.
Great to hear. Thanks so much, we know you'll love it!
As a pro midi guitarist this caught my interest. I'm just finishing off another midi guitar album at the moment and this looks like it will allow me to perform it all live without worrying about extra notes etc. The price is waaaaaaaay beyond me though. Starting at nearly 3 grand! Spotify doesn't pay me nearly enough (or at all) 😂
I fell into the trap of thinking the Jamstk was what I needed, but....well a review is coming soon! I would need to try one before I even think about raising the money.
I'm sticking with the TriplePlay and Midi Guitar 2 live for bands and music show demos/performances.
Also, I would need easy 24 fret access and a whammy bar. Is that a possibility?
Also, also big question. Is it roadworthy and drummerproof??
Very Cool ! Game changer !
Do you have to know how to play guitar in order to use this or is it like a advanced guitar for professional guitarist?
Man, gotta hand it to you guys, that is a really damn clever way to get around the inherent latency issues and possibility of misinterpreting when using a system that tries to listen to the strings. Shame it's not really a retrofittable thing, or at least harder to do something like that...
Just out of interest, how strict are the limitations on action being set up really well? If the strings rattle a tiny bit, contacting other frets further up the neck, will they trigger the wrong notes at times?
Hi... i would like to ask you the difference between the 3000 guitar and the 300 one on your site.
Have you thought about releasing one without as many bells and whistles for more affordable price? I’m pretty sure it was still fantastically
Do you guys do a version without the pad or is it necessary? Thanks I am interested.
does it accurately translate and record midi notes in Daw ? any video demonstrate this process ....searching , searching ....all videos just showing oblivious fiddling with no match to midi notes in writing ...any idea or video link ❓
any recent gig or live performance that can broaden our vision on how this guitar can be used?
Unfortunately, since Covid there has not been so many live performances. However, we hope live music is on its way back and we'll see more live performances soon :-)
An in depth explInation you guys!
And a regular amplifer!
That is quite a guitar and Irish made too!
Love it ! Thinking I need one here soon 👍🏻
I need one of those guitars fairly lively!
Great to hear Sean, glad you like it!
Can this guitar work with The Roland GR55..? where can I buy this Robo Reilly MIDI Pro 2
gorgeous
Great player
Does this work well with finger picking?
Ah but can you play Apache??
what's difference between 2900€ and 290€?
can't you use xy pad without effects?
Thanks for your comment! You can absolutely use the XY Pad without effects, you can customise it to do whatever you want! Both prices put you in the build queue we just find some people prefer to spread the payments out a little. Hope that helps!
very interesting tech
This is incredible.
Thanks so much, glad you like it!
Is there any option to programm the fingerpads for other functions like switching presets or trigger preprogrammed Sounds not connected directly with the current preset (sound)
Let's say I wanna put druming set in those.
And play piano on strings.
Hello Felip. Yes, there are many options for programming the finger pads. They can be set to control individual notes (not linked to the fretted notes) or for triggering the fretted notes. Triggering from finger pads can be disabled and they can be set as switches (latching and non latching) on any CC, AT or CP. They are very flexible. It is no problem to play a piano on one channel from the strings, and play a separate synthesizer on a separate channel from the finger pads. Each finger pad can be set to an individual note, so you can set the first pad for say a kick drum, the second pad for a snare etc. Thank you for the question.
@@RORGuitars thank you for feedback.
I just woke up and realised how much does it cost.
Dont get me wrong I know that your product is unique and you can set price whatever you want.
But the price is really overwhelming.
I can guaranty that more people would buy it if it could be more affordable.
So right now it stands on my wishlist next to the more expensive things which I may buy or may not buy in 5-7years.
@@FelipotheMiraculous Thank you so much for your comments, we currently keep our prices as low as possible as we want as many musicians as possible to have access to our instruments. We are super proud of the high-quality instruments we hand-build in our workshop in Ireland. With each instrument being comprised of over 700 parts, it is a time-consuming and costly production. Not to mention the time we put into the development of the software to continuously improve our instruments. We are so appreciative of your kind comments and support and we wish you all the best with your future midi endeavours!
how does it compare with jamstik studio ? anyone ?
This is amazing guys!!! Truly brilliant work 😲
Thanks so much!
Have you considered making a nylon string guitar? It could be the Godin killer with this tracking technology!
Based on his explanation of the system, the strings and frets together basically form a matrix circuit, which is used to detect the notes. That requires conductive strings, so unwound nylons probably just wouldn't work at all. =/
FYI... With The Expressiv MIDI Pro 2 can do this >>>> Midi-Mellotron vst plus amp+Guitar effects = Stairway to Heaven on 1 guitar
Paul davids brought me here too lol. Its not the guitar itself that is confusing but the synthesizer that is confusing . Could you do a video on how to basically set them up for home studio? I know it may sound down right stupid bit im totally new to it.
Hi there. The MP2 guitar is plug and play with any synthesizer. You do not need to know much about synthesizers to have a wonderful experience. It's plug and play using a standard 5 pin MIDI cable for hardware synthesizers or a USB cable for software synthesizers. However musicians with an in depth understanding of MIDI and synthesizers can dive into the menu and do whatever they like. If you drop an email to rorguitars@gmail.com and request a user guide we can send you one. Thanks!
@@RORGuitars I will do that and thank you very much.
For a more user-friendly review, check out Paul David’s video. Unreal and thorough review from a less technical viewpoint, more of a guitar players.
Is there a way to have tap mode operating polyphonically on one string? IE fretting two notes on the same string and having them sounding simultaneously, as opposed to the first note cutting off when the second one is struck?
Hi Jon, thanks for your question. The MIDI Pro 2 only plays one note at a time per string. The highest fretted note on the string will sound. With over 10 years of experience on using the string / fret contacts this is the best way to have amazing MIDI guitar tracking. However, we do have some great features such as Multi-Notes where the guitar can send multiple notes to make up chords by only playing one fretted note. Hope this answers your question!
Basically if you fret a note the fret below is always fretted too.
Its mechanics…
It would be a nightmare if all fretted contacts would ring…😏😉
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Can the fretboard scanning (with tap mode) feature be applied to an existing guitar? Or, built into a new acoustic guitar, be it an Emerald that uses a ghost piezo bridge or another wooden guitar that uses a pickup with midi output?
What you’re asking is really an oxymoron. If it were to do that, you would disrupt basic mechanics and it would speak in a language no one could understand. Why would that even be something you would want? Think of the downside and the question answers itself.
This has been tested with Ableton Live?
I'm still looking for one with a bank of built in sounds, especially keyboards, grand pianos, strings and choir. One day I hope....
Hi Rob. Could you tell me if the guitar you are presenting in this video is the standard Stealth Black (Matte) color you offer or something else. I love it and I am considering ordering one but still did not decided on the color.
Hi Kuba, Thanks for your questions. Yes, we have hundreds of colour options. Our standard is matte black. We also do gloss white and Carmine Red. We can make a MP2 guitar in any colour from the RAL chart and we also do custom wood options. For example we are currently making a MP2 in oiled burl wood. Send an email to rorguitars@gmail.com for more information.
Do I need an amplifier to hear the sound of the guitar? Or is the sound loud enough without it?
you def need an amplifier
Nice
So is this using Midi MPE to allow you to bend the individual strings? or do you need to set the strings to their own midi channels to bend individual strings?
Interesting question! I'd like to know if it supports MPE too.
From what I could tell, it's per channel. If you watch when he bends a string, everything bends with it.
@@greghilligiest8313 I mean, MIDI guitars have already been using MPE in a way for years. Assigning each string to its own channel, which is already done on lots of MIDI guitars, is basically already a replication of how MPE works. Even like 10 or 20 years ago MIDI guitars were already doing this.
He says in the video that he's set each string to a different midi channel, so yes it's mpe even if they're not marketing it that way. I don't imagine it can be set to switch channels automatically with every individual note, like an mpe keyboard, but I don't think it needs to do that, as it's effectively six independent monophonic controllers.
haha i like how he keeps playing only minor chords all over the neck.
this guitar is all i ever wanted. THANK YOU! i will start putting money away now lol.
Hi Rob. This is very impressive.
As a Roland-ready Fender Strat player using a GR55 synth I am happy to see someone NOT using the horrible crackly old 13-pin cables sold with the Roland GR55 synth pedal.
Is your guitar system with its USB, 5pin midi and 1/4" jack connectors capable of driving a GR55 pedal in its full capacity? Would there be any limitations or any incompatibilities in attempting this kind of ROR/GR55 combination technically?
Hi Murray, The MIDI Pro 2 guitar sends very accurate MIDI output. However, it is designed to work with standard MIDI. From my understanding, the GR55 is especially designed to work with the ROLAND 13 pin connector which is not standard MIDI. Therefore our guitar does not work with it. However, I imagine that say the XY pad could be set up to control some parameters of the sounds from the GR55 using the other MIDI input of the GR55 which is designed for external foot controllers etc. Of course if you get an external Roland GK-3 system and fit it to the MIDI Pro 2 guitar. Please note that the full potential of the MIDI Pro 2 guitar is in connecting it to a MIDI standard synthesizer. There are hundreds available on the market, everywhere from Ebay to Thomann, amazon etc. Check a few out such as Roland JV1010, Korg MicroKorg, Moog Minitaur etc. Hope that answers your questions.
@@RORGuitars Yes thanks Rob. The weakness of the GR55 Roland system is the 13-pin cable hardware (essentially somewhat like a stereo car radio cable system from 197_?)! The GR55 synth itself was an awesome development, especially useful as a cover band option where the Roland keyboarder is missing (most of the Roland keyboard sounds are there, plus you get guitar modelling, amp sims and multi-fx for natural and modelled guitars)! On the forums I've seen some guys using Centronics printer cable systems and the like to get a more robust roadworthy hardware for the 13 pin signal path of the GR55. In my view Roland still needs to redesign their cable and signal system into a more roadworthy 13-pin hardware cable type as there's just too much snap crackle and pop some days!
I need this guitar. Does it transcribe as well?
Yes, check out this video which shows a recording of blackbird: ua-cam.com/video/mEh-HaxbsGA/v-deo.html
@@RORGuitars Thanks! That's exactly what I was looking for!
Hey bro, xpresive midi pro 2 and midi pro 2 guitar its different?
Hey there, thanks for your question. The MIDI Pro 2 and the Expressiv MIDI Pro 2 are the same instrument. We also refer to it as the MP2. It is the only MIDI guitar model that we produce in 2021, although there are custom options.
So essentially I was just thinking this could double as a 4 , 5 and 6 string bass guitar if I lowered the tunings.
Does this completely eliminate ghost notes from nearby harmonics upon note release?
Also what are the guitar specs?
Yes, it does- there are also various parameters you can adjust to suit your playing style! Feel free to drop an email to rorguirats@gmail.com with any questions about the specs! Thanks!
Are the new finger pads on the bottom of the pickguard standard on the Midi guitar now?
Hi Jon, The finger pads on the MIDI Pro 2 are an optional extra feature, they are not standard. Let us know if you have any further questions. Thanks!
I need one
Shuriken guitar or Rob O'Reilly's Expressiv pro 2 ...... !?! 🤔 !?!
Thoughts I had when watching this (in order of appearance):
- one-mic room sound with the presenter yelling over the speakers instrument sounds and looks bad.
- I can't hear the piezo pickup in all that reverb on top of the room sound
- using a pretty mushy, fizzy pad sound with slow attack is probably the worst choice for demonstrating the different ways to trigger notes
- fret->string contact switching has been done in the VOX organ guitars in the 1960s already and that turned out to be a pretty huge source of headaches after a few years. What have you done to address the underlying corrosion issues, what does that mean for instrument maintenance, refretting etc.?
- how fast you can trigger notes is absolutely no indicator for latency and that processing the contact keying is fast enough to keep up with your hands shouldn't be worth mentioning in 2022
- explaining MIDI basics is for MIDI tutorial videos, not for a product presentation
- the "Pad" is actually a touchscreen, isn't it?
Sorry for the scrutiny but beyond 3000 bucks my mind becomes a little inquiring
full package, doesn't seem like a gimmick
Thanks for your comments. Yes, we have been working on the system for over 10 years to bring this feature set to wonderful musicians and we're proud to stand over it!
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So you need a laptop for this to work? Or is there custom presets on the guitar that will work through a guitar amp alone?
Hi Jackie. The MP2 guitar is plug and play with any hardware or software synthesizer. By software synthesizer we mean any laptop with a DAW (digital audio workstation). There are hundreds of hardware synthesizers available on the market place, such as Korg Micro Korg, Roland JV1010, Moog etc. Virtually any synthesizer with a 5 pin input will work with the guitar. So it is not limited to laptops whatsoever. Hardware synthesizers are also extremely reliable for live performance. If you need a copy of our user guide, just email us to rorguitars@gmail.com. Thanks!
I ordered and paid for one of these midi pro guitars 1 week ago and have heard nothing - help please anyone
Hi Mark, don't worry, we're going to make you a wonderful instrument! If you have not heard back from Katie already, can you drop us a quick email to rorguitars@gmail.com. Normally we send an email right away but perhaps an email was lost in spam. Thanks and looking forward to making your MIDI Pro :-) Rob
Hi Mark, Can you pop us an email to rorguitars@gmail.com and we'll follow up for you. Looking forward to making you a wonderful instrument!
This is an amazing piece of gear, but I don't understand how you can sell it for $42?! The pups alone are worth more, are they not?
What are you talking about? 42$ ? Lmfao.
@@gothxm idk what I was seeing, it was a PayPal page for $42. Maybe it was to hold a slot? Now I see it's 3k and I'm sure it's worth every penny. I'd buy one immediately but I am buying a house right now.
@@scienceforchildren1 now I wish it was 42$ lmfao
@@gothxm me too!!!!
Are the effects built-in on the guitar or is there like a pedal connected to it?
Hi there. Everything on this video is played using synthesizers as opposed to effects. The guitar has both a digital output (called MIDI) and an analog output (like a standard guitar output). The guitar can control effects, but much of the power lyes in controlling synthesizers. The synthesizer creates the sound, the guitar tells it what to do. In this way, thousands of new sounds and the entire range of notes on the musical scale are available to the guitarist. But you may also use the guitar with the standard output as a normal guitar and control effects with MIDI.
are you guys still selling the guitar?
Yeah they are. I was in a zoom meeting with the creator two days ago:)
Is this guitar made out of carbon fiber?
Could it work with a tremolo bridge as well?
We do not make a tremolo bridge. The Expressiv MIDI Pro system has many sensors to give real time accurate control over a synthesizer. A tremolo bridge would not allow for this great synthesizer control. However it does support MIDI pitch bend from each string and from the joystick. For bending the analog output notes, you may use something like the Digital Whammy pedal which can be controlled from the XY Pad or the Joystick.
So basically there is a sensor on the saddle measuring the tension for each string? Just thinking out of loud with no technical awareness but in that case maybe it could work for a tremolo bridge... Or it gets more complicated?
Do you take healthy kidneys as payment?
I love it!
Thanks for the love! Not as of yet but if that ever changes we will give you a heads up!
given the current inflation rates, by the time they take them they'll only take them in pairs. :)
thanks to the poor person who had to stand holding the camera the whole time haha. great video though
once upon a time a Midi Keyboard was 3,000usd
"Explination" is misspelled.
Thanks!
Do you accept kidneys as payment? xD
Please don't use a alien sound, I understood that this is for introducing the ability... This sound is annoying.
That is not chill out.