One thing that struck me as _truly_ stupid is the design of the arm thingy. Specifically, it comes too far up on along your wrist, which means that trying to _bend_ your wrist (by itself, not with your _other_ hand) would be painful. So why would you cause 'your' troops (easily avoidable) pain? Do you want them to be effective or not?! Also, for me personally, if they had given me a _choice_ about helping out or not, I would've chosen to help, but if they'd given me _zero choice_ about it, when they sent me into the future, I'd be shooting _them_ instead of the aliens.
Right! For those in the past, going to the future(the quick way) makes no sense. In all likelihood, we'd just thank the future people for the heads up and then proceed to prevent that future from ever happening. Actually, in this world of skeptics and conspiracy theorist, there is no guarantee that a warning by people from the future would even be heeded.
@@ClassicMan-D1 Lol Prison it is! With a 20% survival rate, the people on the beaches of Normandy had better odds. And a much better reason for being there.
It makes sense in this movies context. They only draft those people who were going to die soon anyway, people who if they were taken out of the timeline, wouldn’t affect anything in the future.
i dont think anyone would react like that after witnessing hundreds of people die gruesome deaths to terrifying aliens constantly trying to eat them alive, with the stake of humanity at hand. people just like to believe they'd react like that when the truth is that war is absolutely terrifying and so is death. "everyone" would shit their pants including me
0:10 Did anyone else think when Dan was falling towards the rooftop, that he was going to do a header onto cement 10 feet beyond the edge of the pool, before future CG physics saved him by sliding him towards the water JUST BEFORE impact?
@@dhgswiftkiller4581The point of the scene was to make something look so unbelievable that it would take me right out of the movie experience and p*ss me off? Wow, do you work for Disney? Oh, give my regards to your mom boy, she was grunting last night for me.
07:54 Literally me, watching this movie. Also me watching every other movie. CinemaSins has corrupted me. "Better come look at this cliché " Hits me every time, without fail.
@@aurelius7778 I was watching Spy yesterday and went "In case the reckless driving and the s-ual comments this guy makes weren't enough, lets have him steal an apple from a person who sells apples for a living, and eat it, to further emphasise the fact that this guy is an AH" Hahaha. i just cant stop.
@@fadedslinky1185 hahah. That apple point has broken the window and now I know what character is what even though we're only 5 min into the movie haha. Matter of fact I think some Hollywood exc really do watch his channel because they changed the way the do Title cards now and set locations lol.
My wife has gotten irritated at all the times I say, "No", "You better come look at this", "He's eating an apple, must be an asshole", "Wilhelm Scream", and "He/She/It/They survive this". 🤣
I came here just to make this statement, but you beat me to it. IMO, the only time travel movie that was ever done properly has to be Back to the Future. I thought Marvel's travels back in time were fun, especially Captain America kicking his own ass but as noted, this movie really does a terrible job with the time travel issues.
@@yougoboy27 i guess its not a time travel movie but more of a time loop movie, but i loved edge of tomorrow and next with nicolaus cage. but yeah back to the future is prob my favorite movie of all time
Two things always bothered me the most out of this movie 1) The future people never bothered to tell people they would need .338 or larger to truly combat these aliens on a close quarters sort 2) That one guy with the shotgun that had no other weapons kept picking M4 magazines off the dead but never passing them out - what did he do with all of them??
@@markvandoren3387 To be fair, firearms have barely advanced in the last 30 years to today. There's only so much you can do with a system that shoots bullets from your hands into the enemy.
Or the most glaring problem: facing aliens without telling your troops what they will face or preparing them ahead of time. No wonder they lost the war.
The fact that they killed the entire ship with whitespikes at the end with c4 is so stupid. Why did they need the poison then, c4 looked pretty effective.
Also the fact that they are LITERALLY bringing in their mothers and fathers means that the future soldiers must be sometimes just...vanishing from all existence right? cause what if one of the soldiers is a child of one of the people killed in the war BEFORE they have the child.
Or if the missing parent means they lose their home, starve, don't get the support to be a scientist, ordon't have kids of their own that will be young soldiers, or...
That's not how time works. I've listened to quite a bit of lectures by the top in the field rn. Everything is happening at all times. You already were born, are being born, and are not Born rn. We experience time like a string in the ocean. We only know the PA of the string, but the ocean still exists. Sowhen they go into the future that exists, and die there, any potential kids of those people exist still. How that works is because dimension. Each reality has a set of identical dimensions inside of them. Pockets of reality each universe sits in. We could have up to 20 from what some professionals believe. But essentially time travel would be between these pockets in our reality with the way we perceive them. Bit since we cannot actually comprehend on an intimate level what and how time and reality work at the moment it is simpler to say this. They are two trains (dimensions) running on the same track in the same moment. But they synchronize in a way that stops them from having issues occupying the same space. The parent dying would make it so that don't have a kid in their dimension. But in their reality they can still have that continuity. Which it does exist since the child they will never have due to them dying early is able to watch them die in their dimension. Most paradoxes we face don't actually exist. If I go into the past and tamper, my future will change but it will never be my past. I will have been in my future though I perceive it as the past. Everything is happening all at once. So, how my life turned out will be how it turns out since I existed and did what I did in my past before I was born. That doesn't stop the evens. It's how they are suppose to go. So if someone went back in time to kill Hitler, we wouldn't know.
@@p.a.w.sthetravelinggamer6750 and of course the Top experts have travelled through time and can be sure this is correct. I assume it is Dr. Brown and Professor Thawne?
I never realized how much they pushed the "I'm coming back to you" point from him when he's LITERALLY CHANGING THE FUTURE and he obsesses over her dying in the "future" making him absent from his NOW LITTLE GIRL BECAUSE HE'S OBSESSING OVER HIS GROWN UP GIRL HOW THE HELL DOES THIS MAKE SENSE
hes not obsessing about his grown up daughter. he wants a world were she has future were humanity doesnt go extinct. pretty distinct and easily noticed
I’m very happy to see this movie being sinned; while the premise for the film was sound, the execution of the plan in the film was rather terrible. The Templin Institute made a great breakdown on why fighting a war this way is idiotic.
The premise of this movie is not sound at all it is ridiculous. Past earth would never go along with future earth's stupid plan. If I remember correctly future earth's population was reduced to 5-10% because of the white spikes. Why would they think past earth would be able to do any better.
A sin for forgetting that the future soldiers came in walking through the jump portal in a soccer pitch, but for some reason when jumping to the future people from the past have to drop 1000 feet and somehow not die "time travel discrimination" +1 😂
Why not just take everyone from the future and travel back in time so that they could help the present world solve the problem before it even happens or at least get a big head start? Anything they do in the future will not solve the problem that all this will happen in the past/present.
@@CopShowGuyit’s wild that they were still able to send people back though. It seems like even just sending back info about technology would be a better plan.
@@CopShowGuyThey said it doesn’t allow them to arrive at an earlier point in the war, presumably only going between two specific points in time However they’re still in the past, before the war started, and are able to prevent it from happening in the first place or at least be better prepared for when it starts
You can ask all sorts of questions like this *note that I wrotethis before watching the video,*, which is why I honestly think this may be the stupidest movie ever. Anyone who is sent through time still affects events later in the timeline. This means that if he dies after being sent to the future but without being returned to the past, a literal time paradox is caused because it means he changed events time periods in which he did not exist. They thought the guys from past could fight in a war because they played video games? Ignoring the fact that not all video games involve guns, and not everyone these days plays video games, shooting in a game is not the same as in real life, where there are a lot more factors to consider. Video games are also a safe activity, whereas in a war, you are in constant danger. My father, who was a soldier, had this to say: "if I saw aliens like that, I would shit my pants!" Imagine how the conscripts, most of whom have no combat experience would react to the aliens. Most of the time travelers have no combat experience, yet they have no trouble using their guns with no training. It would have been funny, logical and in character for them to ask rookie questions like " which end do I point at the enemies? "Why is my scope not showing the remaining bullets?" "How do I put bullets in the gun?" This would have humanized them and given some logic to an insanely retarded story. No one thought to investigate the area in which the aliens first attacked, or thought of covering it with weapons in order to fight them as quickly as possible? No one asked how these creatures, which by all appearances were mindless animals, were able to travel through space? No one thought maybe they had a different home? Why send the warning through time to an event as public and popular as the Super Bowl? You want to keep this kind of information quiet to avoid a mass panic.
I would remove a sin at 1:46 this is the world cup final, the most watched event on Earth. They could not have chosen a better spot in regard to getting the most amount of people to see their message.
Both of these replies made me laugh🤣I don’t care what you think about the sport itself, but my point is right and there’s evidence to back it up that only takes a simple search on google. :))))
also check Brandon Herreras analysis of this movie. You could add at least 50 additional sins for their gun realted decisions. RedShirt and JKSimmons are pretty much only guys equipped apropriatly for the job.
If this movie followed Red Shirt Guy 3rd Tour Survivalist this movie would have been a complete masterpiece. Chris follows Red-shirt guy into battle, and watches him completely wreck shit with those future alien monsters thingimajiggis and escorts him safely to his daughter. EPIC.
"The hold was loosening anyway, so he wasn't completely responsible for being an impulsive idiot that helped doom the universe". From a generous commenter on that scene.
0:38 Firearms aren't need to be waterproof now or in future, you literally can shoot your AK or Glock underwater :) Water itself basically can't damage the gun in a short term (in a long term it cause rust for example). But ammunition (cartriges) IS relatively waterproof and short-term contact, even full immersion into water, mud, etc. shouldn't damage it ;)
The fact they sent them with just M-4s with futuristic foregrips is laughable, considering they would know what they were up against already from the first future soldiers. would have mass-produced Tungsten-core smkh Super armor piercing rounds, (The Germans made them in WWII for their 8mm rifles) and then just shredded every single whitespike in the city.
The aliens in this movies were dreamt up by the script writers high out of their minds after watching all of the Alien movies. Then going ... "What if they had two tails?", "Or, what if they could shoot things out of their tail?", "Nah, what if they had two tails AND could shoot things from them?" ....
J K Simmons doesn't have to say or do anything in a movie and I'll still love him being in it. Haven't stop loving this actor since "Oz. That series & "Rome" still affect me to this day. I got distracted watching this & started thinking about putting on the first "Starship Troopers" film.
His feelings on how they react to time travel is exactly how I felt watching this movie. It just didn’t make any sense and made me feel like I was losing my mind
We had a lot of questions, but when it was over we actually really liked it. It was one of those “this was oddly put together but in the end we didn’t really care and enjoyed the heck out of it anyway” movies. We want #2 for sure!
hey CinemaSins. id like to say, that depsite the "world cup" happening during Xmas time is not likely to ever happen, it is really smart for them to teleport in the middle of the match as football (soccer) is the world most popular sport and is being watched by MOST of the world especially since its the final. SO they are getting the best coverage of the world of any other televised event the world has to offer as far as i can think.
Add a sin because the planes they were using to bomb Miami don’t have bomb dropping capabilities. Also, those planes were most likely launched from an aircraft carrier, something which is not possible with that plane.
Yes, F-22s can drop bombs, they have a package for that. But you are correct about landing on a carrier. But that is assuming there are no land bases left.
@@LancerX916 There would be no reason to have F-22’s left in that world specifically with that package. There are many planes better suited for bombing, especially when fighting any enemy that had no anti-air capability. Also, I said most likely. Seeing as the final base for humanity is on the ocean and how there probably aren’t any land bases near Miami, I was assuming a carrier launch.
@@imflikyt They were not F-35’s. They were definitely F-22’s. Also, the F-35 is a multirole stealth fighter, with one of its main roles being ground strike.
Thank you sm jeremy i got kicked out and the only thing that’s been helping me is watching your video’s to laugh and move away from negativity in my life. I thank you so so so much for making my life not only easier to push through but easier to want to live. Thank you cinema and tv sins group
They explicitly say in the movie that only some people can go to the future because they have to have already died to be able to go. Earlier in the movie though, they say that almost every human died by now. If this is the case, why can’t almost everyone go if they’re all dead?
@@afroshinobimikeemikee2208 i couldnt even finish it. 😂 an hour and i gave up. like what he just said, they died so easily by bombing so how the hell did they lose. even normal rifles can kill them. so wtf.. and why would they bother making toxin if they could just use guns to kill the female. thats where i left
@@afroshinobimikeemikee2208 I don’t think anyone expected something other than dumb fun monster movie at least I did so I was just pleasantly surprised mostly with the creature design
I don't care if you have dragons or robots in your film, a few realistic parameters need to be kept in order for the illusion to be entertaining. It's like a story being told by a five year old.
In general I smile, I "ha!" lightly under my breath, and I often nod "yep, that was dumb" during the observations that CinemaSins does so well. But "that's the recipe for George Lazenby" floored me. 😆
Also pulling from the past essentially changes the future and most of these future people would stop existing. Which means the force they do have would disappear….
I may be remembering incorrectly but falling terminal velocity into "undisturbed" water is fatal as jts concrete but the surface tension has been disturbed by the other poor sobs who fell first. He would survive the impact but theres nowhere near enough water to stop before he hit the bottom. He wouldve broken both legs.
Why didn’t they give any info on the aliens, even a quick clip of everyone in a room gasping at the creature, it could have been the first time the whole cast sees the monster to get their reaction. Then give us the audience the real thing later.
Yea this really bugged me when watching the movie. One of the points made in the movie is that most in the future are young with little to no combat experience, so why not work with the past and share information on the enemy to people that have the experience. The past military would surely outfit their soldiers with better equipment to handle the white spikes if they knew info on them and came up with countermeasures to beat them.
Not to mention they are well aware small arms are trash vs these things but aren't sending everyone in with 50 cal teams, or at least shotguns or a large calibre rifle.
Because they can't modify a hellfire missile to deploy napalm? All things considered, refitting a hellfire missile to turn it into a napalm bomb doesn't seem like the most difficult thing they have had to do in the future.
So one thing i wondering about is why the future people would bother with trying to fight the aliens in the future. The could've just evacuated to our time and prepared for the war which they thought was an invasion. It would make more sense for them to actually use the time travel...to travel back in time. Then again i only kinda saw the movie once so i might not remember if they explained it, i doubt it though.
Not one person wondered how an animal can grow spikes...kinda like teeth at a rate of one per second. Not to mention having a density heavy enough to send people flying when hit. ( But who cares? It's a movie.)
16:00 A high school teacher.... that's also a former Green Beret. That's also the reason he was leading the team at the beginning of the movie, too. It's almost like, if cinema sins hit the ship button he would understand things better. 😂😂😂
yeah, but people can still generally say no, because the problems caused by drafting/conscripting unwilling people are worse! if im conscripted i'd do the training and then look for an opportunity to take out as much of "my own" command as possible.
This movie had a lot of sins for me. However it was redeemed when the politician whimped out and took the credit away from the people who deserved it. 100% accurate.
come on, man. i expected at least 1 sin off when we first see the alien in the staircase, that shit was awesome! the alien's design, the tension.. everything. just. incredible.
Random but what if Joker 2 is secretly Killing Joke meets Mad Love with Joker trying to turn Barbra Gordon into Harley Quinn with Gleason and Keener in yet unnamed roles playing The Gordons?
I liked this one. Def a lot better ways to prepare like have everyone ready on that continent instead of bringing into the future of an already lost war seems way better of a military plan.
8:43 "Necks or their bellies. That's the only lethal part on their body." "Lethal" means harmful or destructive. That's like saying, "Necks or bellies will harm you." It should have been, "That's the only vulnerable part on their body."
i honestly really liked the beginning of the movie i love how the future people come in the middle of a huge world event ive always wanted to see that in a movie
Going to have to stop you right there at sin 1. That’s only if the surface tension isn’t broken, which it clearly is. However if you’d have said he died cause he hit the bottom of it, then I’d agree
@@captain_context9991nah, that’s why I brought up the surface tension not being broken. Surface tension is what makes it feel like a body of water is a slab of concrete
@@BlaxkSun Yeah, not entirely. But it would be like landing on a non-Newtonian fluid. The water simply wouldnt have much time to go anywhere. But you would prefer water to concrete.
It doesn't even need to be broken. Even at full tension water has nothing on concrete. It's a shame a myth so thoroughly busted is still being propagated.
After the war happens and Dan jumps back, he has a conversation with his wife about how the aliens arrived here and they realise they’re already on Earth. That conversation could have happened before he jumped to the future. Once that conversation happened, Dan could have immediately assembled the team, gone to Russia to find the spaceship and blow it to ashes using C4 instead of using the toxin his daughter developed. In fact it would have been easier because none of the aliens in the ship would have woken up from the toxin delivery causing so much noise. The whole film basically didn’t need to happen.
I enjoyed this movie despite its errors, but what was missing most was violence with aliens that throw spikes and others cut him in half and not a drop of blood and that the green screen is noticeable in some scenes such as the sacrifice of the daughter
This movie gets much better when you realize that it's just It's a Wonderful Life with 10 billion more murderous aliens in it. Think about it - guy who ends up dying because he's depressed about his reality and future gets a chance to see what happens to the world and his family when he's not in it because he's dead. It motivates him in a big way to go back and do right by his family and be happy with his life.
Honestly I kinda liked this movie. But there is one thing I still don’t understand about the ending ; So as it turns out, the White spikes did not land on Earth in 2048 (which does make sense, while the female is intelligent, they do not seem evolved enough to figure out space travel, they’re much closer to dangerous wild animals). They have been here for over a 1000 years, but they were trapped in ice. The ice melts with climate change, they get out and wreak havoc on us, makes sense. So at this point in the movie (so after the scene in the classroom with the boy passionate about volcanoes), we still don’t know where they came from. They could be ancient creatures from Earth or they could have been brought here by something else. So the crew gets to the glacier, and yes, there is a spaceship with another alien species that seems to harvest the white spikes like a biological weapon, and that brought them here. Their ship crashed, so they died, and then with snowfall over the centuries, it got completely covered in ice and frozen over. BUT, and here’s what I don’t understand, the white spikes were sleeping in these sort of harvest pods inside the ship. They were not frozen per se, the ship was. And they were still in this sort of controlled sleep in their pods regardless. So WHY ON EARTH does the ice melting and freeing the ship (around 2047) also freed them ? How the heck were they freed from their pods inside the ship and able to get out and attack the Earth ???? I’m genuinely confused, is it a giant plot hole that we missed or did I just miss a bit of the explanation about that, could someone clear it up for me please 😅??
I just figured the thawing ice allowed the ship to be discovered in the future and then humans inadvertently ended up freeing the aliens. Not really a plot hole; it's just something the movie does not address.
Is the premise of this movie kind of dumb? Yes. Did it deliver anything to really distinguish it from other sci-fi alien invasion movies? Not really? Was it kind of awesome and super fun to watch? Yes, yes it was.
The water thing: the *first* person to hit the pool? Dead. After that, the waves decrease the surface tension by about 2/3, so anyone after him would be sore, but alive.
"This movie is basically Edge of Starship Tomorrow Troopers at Jurassic World & Furious" this line is killing me right now 😂😂😂😂
One thing that struck me as _truly_ stupid is the design of the arm thingy. Specifically, it comes too far up on along your wrist, which means that trying to _bend_ your wrist (by itself, not with your _other_ hand) would be painful. So why would you cause 'your' troops (easily avoidable) pain? Do you want them to be effective or not?!
Also, for me personally, if they had given me a _choice_ about helping out or not, I would've chosen to help, but if they'd given me _zero choice_ about it, when they sent me into the future, I'd be shooting _them_ instead of the aliens.
He forgot Terminator.
They forgot "the great wall"
😊 I’m 😊 - a
It’s still one of those movies I enjoy watching a couple times each year. 😂
The whole "let's ask people from the past to come fight a war in the future" is inherently flawed.
Right! For those in the past, going to the future(the quick way) makes no sense. In all likelihood, we'd just thank the future people for the heads up and then proceed to prevent that future from ever happening.
Actually, in this world of skeptics and conspiracy theorist, there is no guarantee that a warning by people from the future would even be heeded.
then tell them If they try to NOPE out, they'll be Imprisoned
@@ClassicMan-D1 Lol Prison it is! With a 20% survival rate, the people on the beaches of Normandy had better odds. And a much better reason for being there.
No shit
It makes sense in this movies context. They only draft those people who were going to die soon anyway, people who if they were taken out of the timeline, wouldn’t affect anything in the future.
Logic issues, pacing issues, plot holes...but the extended "shit...shitshitshitshit!" scene gave me some _solid_ laughs.
Yes! That should've been some sins off because that felt so real, hahahaha.
I’d be doing that frfr
fax, shi had me giggling like crazy🤣
The “comedy relief guy” role is slowly turning into how everyone would actually react in that point in time
Right? He was my favorite…
i dont think anyone would react like that after witnessing hundreds of people die gruesome deaths to terrifying aliens constantly trying to eat them alive, with the stake of humanity at hand. people just like to believe they'd react like that when the truth is that war is absolutely terrifying and so is death. "everyone" would shit their pants including me
0:10 Did anyone else think when Dan was falling towards the rooftop, that he was going to do a header onto cement 10 feet beyond the edge of the pool, before future CG physics saved him by sliding him towards the water JUST BEFORE impact?
He’s 5% flying squirrel
@@Tom-bp6no he used the cartoon feather flap
Congratulations you got the point of that scene 🤦♂️
@@dhgswiftkiller4581The point of the scene was to make something look so unbelievable that it would take me right out of the movie experience and p*ss me off? Wow, do you work for Disney? Oh, give my regards to your mom boy, she was grunting last night for me.
Definitely
07:54 Literally me, watching this movie. Also me watching every other movie. CinemaSins has corrupted me. "Better come look at this cliché " Hits me every time, without fail.
haha. CinemaSins has definitely changed the way I look at movies now ahah.
@@aurelius7778 I was watching Spy yesterday and went "In case the reckless driving and the s-ual comments this guy makes weren't enough, lets have him steal an apple from a person who sells apples for a living, and eat it, to further emphasise the fact that this guy is an AH" Hahaha. i just cant stop.
@@fadedslinky1185 hahah. That apple point has broken the window and now I know what character is what even though we're only 5 min into the movie haha. Matter of fact I think some Hollywood exc really do watch his channel because they changed the way the do Title cards now and set locations lol.
My wife has gotten irritated at all the times I say, "No", "You better come look at this", "He's eating an apple, must be an asshole", "Wilhelm Scream", and "He/She/It/They survive this". 🤣
My favorite line for everything now is “Skip!”
Do you think that they would have needed a seven nation army to take down the white spikes
Now the songs stuck in my head
Shit joke.. Good song.
No. A seven nation army couldn't hold back the white spikes.
How tf did you comment 14 hours ago?
Got a chuckle outta me
Even though it was sinful as hell, i still liked this movie
It's definitely one of my guilty pleasures
I came here just to make this statement, but you beat me to it. IMO, the only time travel movie that was ever done properly has to be Back to the Future. I thought Marvel's travels back in time were fun, especially Captain America kicking his own ass but as noted, this movie really does a terrible job with the time travel issues.
@@yougoboy27 i guess its not a time travel movie but more of a time loop movie, but i loved edge of tomorrow and next with nicolaus cage. but yeah back to the future is prob my favorite movie of all time
No, back to the future is the most flawed time travel.
This was a more accurate, realistic time travel like future trunks DB.@@yougoboy27
Two things always bothered me the most out of this movie
1) The future people never bothered to tell people they would need .338 or larger to truly combat these aliens on a close quarters sort
2) That one guy with the shotgun that had no other weapons kept picking M4 magazines off the dead but never passing them out - what did he do with all of them??
Movie logic, all ammo works in all weapons. 😂
Obviously he was stockpiling them in case there was a tough boss fight later on.
After 30 years the best they have in terms of guns are the ones supplied in the current timeline. Ok.......
@@markvandoren3387 To be fair, firearms have barely advanced in the last 30 years to today. There's only so much you can do with a system that shoots bullets from your hands into the enemy.
Or the most glaring problem: facing aliens without telling your troops what they will face or preparing them ahead of time. No wonder they lost the war.
The fact that they killed the entire ship with whitespikes at the end with c4 is so stupid. Why did they need the poison then, c4 looked pretty effective.
I think that if they had used more effective methods throughout the movie then it might have been an hour less.
They could have left the poison at home in case some alien got away.
"What do we want?"
"Time travel!"
"When do we want it?"
"Irrelevant!"
I love that scene where the geology guy encounters white spikes for the first time and reacts exactly how most of us would
“Friggin’ Bonies!!!”
Shit shit shit Shit shit shit Shit shit shit Shit shit shit Shit shit shit Shit shit shit 100% would be me lol
Also the fact that they are LITERALLY bringing in their mothers and fathers means that the future soldiers must be sometimes just...vanishing from all existence right? cause what if one of the soldiers is a child of one of the people killed in the war BEFORE they have the child.
Or if the missing parent means they lose their home, starve, don't get the support to be a scientist, ordon't have kids of their own that will be young soldiers, or...
That's not how time works. I've listened to quite a bit of lectures by the top in the field rn. Everything is happening at all times. You already were born, are being born, and are not Born rn. We experience time like a string in the ocean. We only know the PA of the string, but the ocean still exists. Sowhen they go into the future that exists, and die there, any potential kids of those people exist still. How that works is because dimension. Each reality has a set of identical dimensions inside of them. Pockets of reality each universe sits in. We could have up to 20 from what some professionals believe. But essentially time travel would be between these pockets in our reality with the way we perceive them. Bit since we cannot actually comprehend on an intimate level what and how time and reality work at the moment it is simpler to say this. They are two trains (dimensions) running on the same track in the same moment. But they synchronize in a way that stops them from having issues occupying the same space. The parent dying would make it so that don't have a kid in their dimension. But in their reality they can still have that continuity. Which it does exist since the child they will never have due to them dying early is able to watch them die in their dimension. Most paradoxes we face don't actually exist. If I go into the past and tamper, my future will change but it will never be my past. I will have been in my future though I perceive it as the past. Everything is happening all at once. So, how my life turned out will be how it turns out since I existed and did what I did in my past before I was born. That doesn't stop the evens. It's how they are suppose to go. So if someone went back in time to kill Hitler, we wouldn't know.
@@p.a.w.sthetravelinggamer6750 and of course the Top experts have travelled through time and can be sure this is correct. I assume it is Dr. Brown and Professor Thawne?
@@p.a.w.sthetravelinggamer6750 Given that no one has ever managed to time travel and there are no hard facts, that's a conjecture not a proven fact
@@p.a.w.sthetravelinggamer6750I have name to answer your manifesto, novikov self-consistency principle
"I'm no bomb scientist" Cinemasins may this channel live forever
I never realized how much they pushed the "I'm coming back to you" point from him when he's LITERALLY CHANGING THE FUTURE and he obsesses over her dying in the "future" making him absent from his NOW LITTLE GIRL BECAUSE HE'S OBSESSING OVER HIS GROWN UP GIRL HOW THE HELL DOES THIS MAKE SENSE
hes not obsessing about his grown up daughter. he wants a world were she has future were humanity doesnt go extinct. pretty distinct and easily noticed
@@nomercyinc6783ah yes, comming back for future version of his daughter, that is where useless obsession exist.
"Time travel, it'll fry you brain like an agg" - Looper.
I’m very happy to see this movie being sinned; while the premise for the film was sound, the execution of the plan in the film was rather terrible. The Templin Institute made a great breakdown on why fighting a war this way is idiotic.
I have to disagree, it's a stupid idea to begin with. They have time travel and chose to do the stupidest thing possible with it
pretty much all wars are fought in an idiotic way.
The premise of this movie is not sound at all it is ridiculous.
Past earth would never go along with future earth's stupid plan.
If I remember correctly future earth's population was reduced to 5-10% because of the white spikes. Why would they think past earth would be able to do any better.
pretty sure any 12 year old could make a great breakdown on why using this method to fight the war is idiotic
@@teddy3657 Exactly! It's like stealing from your ancestors to feed your non-existent future children.
A sin for forgetting that the future soldiers came in walking through the jump portal in a soccer pitch, but for some reason when jumping to the future people from the past have to drop 1000 feet and somehow not die "time travel discrimination" +1 😂
Edge of Starship Tomorrow Troopers at Jurassic World & Furious 🤣🤣
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Why not just take everyone from the future and travel back in time so that they could help the present world solve the problem before it even happens or at least get a big head start? Anything they do in the future will not solve the problem that all this will happen in the past/present.
"The Jumplink doesn't work that way"
That's all you get.
@@CopShowGuyit’s wild that they were still able to send people back though. It seems like even just sending back info about technology would be a better plan.
@@CopShowGuyThey said it doesn’t allow them to arrive at an earlier point in the war, presumably only going between two specific points in time
However they’re still in the past, before the war started, and are able to prevent it from happening in the first place or at least be better prepared for when it starts
But then you'd have the (far superior) show "Travelers."
You can ask all sorts of questions like this *note that I wrotethis before watching the video,*, which is why I honestly think this may be the stupidest movie ever.
Anyone who is sent through time still affects events later in the timeline. This means that if he dies after being sent to the future but without being returned to the past, a literal time paradox is caused because it means he changed events time periods in which he did not exist.
They thought the guys from past could fight in a war because they played video games? Ignoring the fact that not all video games involve guns, and not everyone these days plays video games, shooting in a game is not the same as in real life, where there are a lot more factors to consider. Video games are also a safe activity, whereas in a war, you are in constant danger.
My father, who was a soldier, had this to say: "if I saw aliens like that, I would shit my pants!" Imagine how the conscripts, most of whom have no combat experience would react to the aliens.
Most of the time travelers have no combat experience, yet they have no trouble using their guns with no training. It would have been funny, logical and in character for them to ask rookie questions like " which end do I point at the enemies? "Why is my scope not showing the remaining bullets?" "How do I put bullets in the gun?" This would have humanized them and given some logic to an insanely retarded story.
No one thought to investigate the area in which the aliens first attacked, or thought of covering it with weapons in order to fight them as quickly as possible?
No one asked how these creatures, which by all appearances were mindless animals, were able to travel through space? No one thought maybe they had a different home?
Why send the warning through time to an event as public and popular as the Super Bowl? You want to keep this kind of information quiet to avoid a mass panic.
You forgot the best of the “aliens buried in the ice” plots.
“John Carpenter’s The Thing”
Best version and the original film is the first.
I would remove a sin at 1:46 this is the world cup final, the most watched event on Earth. They could not have chosen a better spot in regard to getting the most amount of people to see their message.
Nah, people would be watching the NFL
Football/Soccer is dogshit. I'd add another 100 sins just for showing that crap 😂
Both of these replies made me laugh🤣I don’t care what you think about the sport itself, but my point is right and there’s evidence to back it up that only takes a simple search on google. :))))
The staircase scene deserves at least a sin off. It was pretty awesome.
also check Brandon Herreras analysis of this movie. You could add at least 50 additional sins for their gun realted decisions. RedShirt and JKSimmons are pretty much only guys equipped apropriatly for the job.
how many youtubers are in control of your opinions exactly?
@@DoomsbluesI take it you’re one of the writers for this horrible movie.
If this movie followed Red Shirt Guy 3rd Tour Survivalist this movie would have been a complete masterpiece. Chris follows Red-shirt guy into battle, and watches him completely wreck shit with those future alien monsters thingimajiggis and escorts him safely to his daughter. EPIC.
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Should have used some lines from Aliens: “Nuke the whole site from orbit. Only way to be safe.”
Only way to be sure.
Well at least in this movie he didn't hit a Titan in the face with his gun and caused half the universe to be snapped away.
"The hold was loosening anyway, so he wasn't completely responsible for being an impulsive idiot that helped doom the universe". From a generous commenter on that scene.
@@motherplayer they almost had that Gauntlet off
My question is how anyone can hear what she was saying inside the stadium without a microphone or something.
0:38 Firearms aren't need to be waterproof now or in future, you literally can shoot your AK or Glock underwater :) Water itself basically can't damage the gun in a short term (in a long term it cause rust for example). But ammunition (cartriges) IS relatively waterproof and short-term contact, even full immersion into water, mud, etc. shouldn't damage it ;)
The fact they sent them with just M-4s with futuristic foregrips is laughable, considering they would know what they were up against already from the first future soldiers. would have mass-produced Tungsten-core smkh Super armor piercing rounds, (The Germans made them in WWII for their 8mm rifles) and then just shredded every single whitespike in the city.
I'm glad you said it 5 months before I got here because I'd have been upset if no one had caught that misinformation.
The aliens in this movies were dreamt up by the script writers high out of their minds after watching all of the Alien movies. Then going ... "What if they had two tails?", "Or, what if they could shoot things out of their tail?", "Nah, what if they had two tails AND could shoot things from them?" ....
J K Simmons doesn't have to say or do anything in a movie and I'll still love him being in it. Haven't stop loving this actor since "Oz. That series & "Rome" still affect me to this day.
I got distracted watching this & started thinking about putting on the first "Starship Troopers" film.
The two films have much in common: zero sense and lots of fun.
J K Simmons is a national treasure!
@@Hunpecked Yes! Exactly! 😄
@@raydunakin I 100% agree!😄
I fw him cuz of Omni man
His feelings on how they react to time travel is exactly how I felt watching this movie. It just didn’t make any sense and made me feel like I was losing my mind
We had a lot of questions, but when it was over we actually really liked it. It was one of those “this was oddly put together but in the end we didn’t really care and enjoyed the heck out of it anyway” movies. We want #2 for sure!
I loved the premise of this movie. I felt it could delivered more though.
😂😂😂 that last line about his best future being in front of him made me lol
hey CinemaSins. id like to say, that depsite the "world cup" happening during Xmas time is not likely to ever happen, it is really smart for them to teleport in the middle of the match as football (soccer) is the world most popular sport and is being watched by MOST of the world especially since its the final. SO they are getting the best coverage of the world of any other televised event the world has to offer as far as i can think.
This movie took place in 2022, the year the World Cup final was actually played in November.
especially the world cup which btw 2022 world cup started in Nov. which would explain the Christmas decorations
She also teleported in and some how was able to speak through the stadium sound system.
The Last one was in Winter. But since it was in qatar most ignored it.
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Add a sin because the planes they were using to bomb Miami don’t have bomb dropping capabilities.
Also, those planes were most likely launched from an aircraft carrier, something which is not possible with that plane.
Yes, F-22s can drop bombs, they have a package for that. But you are correct about landing on a carrier. But that is assuming there are no land bases left.
@@LancerX916 There would be no reason to have F-22’s left in that world specifically with that package. There are many planes better suited for bombing, especially when fighting any enemy that had no anti-air capability.
Also, I said most likely. Seeing as the final base for humanity is on the ocean and how there probably aren’t any land bases near Miami, I was assuming a carrier launch.
I think they were f35s which can indeed drop bombs, they just aren't primarily intended for it.
@@imflikyt They were not F-35’s. They were definitely F-22’s.
Also, the F-35 is a multirole stealth fighter, with one of its main roles being ground strike.
@@imflikyt it was f22. the "air intake" part is very pronounced, unlike an f35 which looks like horns if seen top view
Love the humour in these videos.
I was expecting more from Chris McKay, especially after THE LEGO BATMAN MOVIE
I'm glad that he was able to redeem himself with RENFIELD
I thought critics hated Renfield
Thank you sm jeremy i got kicked out and the only thing that’s been helping me is watching your video’s to laugh and move away from negativity in my life. I thank you so so so much for making my life not only easier to push through but easier to want to live. Thank you cinema and tv sins group
Thank you too dicer ik ur not on this one much but ik you’re apart of the group, you too greg Thank you three for the podcast’s also
Hey maybe your life would be a little better if you didn't spend so much time watching UA-cam mind you I should heed my own advice
They explicitly say in the movie that only some people can go to the future because they have to have already died to be able to go. Earlier in the movie though, they say that almost every human died by now. If this is the case, why can’t almost everyone go if they’re all dead?
Omg, I’ve been hoping you’d sin this one. This movie aggravated me to no end 😑. The plot literally makes zero sense
I know!!!!
I don’t know why but I really enjoyed this film 😂
@@afroshinobimikeemikee2208I watched it during lockdown so it was something to do.
@@afroshinobimikeemikee2208 i couldnt even finish it. 😂 an hour and i gave up. like what he just said, they died so easily by bombing so how the hell did they lose. even normal rifles can kill them. so wtf.. and why would they bother making toxin if they could just use guns to kill the female. thats where i left
@@afroshinobimikeemikee2208 I don’t think anyone expected something other than dumb fun monster movie at least I did so I was just pleasantly surprised mostly with the creature design
15:05 - sin on the producer for not letting Jeremy include the Furious franchise on his list (TENOFTHESETHINGS!)
I don't care if you have dragons or robots in your film, a few realistic parameters need to be kept in order for the illusion to be entertaining. It's like a story being told by a five year old.
In general I smile, I "ha!" lightly under my breath, and I often nod "yep, that was dumb" during the observations that CinemaSins does so well. But "that's the recipe for George Lazenby" floored me. 😆
Also pulling from the past essentially changes the future and most of these future people would stop existing. Which means the force they do have would disappear….
Only by Back To The Future time travel rules. There are at least 2 other time travel theories. Deja Vu gives a decent example of another.
It's explained that they are only sending people who are dead before the war started. That's why nothing changes.
9:20 it’s worse than a pip boy because it can’t let you fast travel out of there
17:44 they used the saw to cut their way onto the ship so it would be out and ready to be used again.
Definitely go back in time and grab all the athletes and Warriors. That’s a great idea.
Random couch, potatoes, who came to watch a game maybe not
They did obviously not recruit just from the people in the audience.
i love how they sent them to fight armored aliens using short barreled rifles and pistol caliber carbines. battle rifles would make alot more sense
Shotgun slugs, or something. Maybe explosive slugs, no wonder they are losing troops at such a rate.
this movie was saliiick, thank you for covering everthing I missed :)
I may be remembering incorrectly but falling terminal velocity into "undisturbed" water is fatal as jts concrete but the surface tension has been disturbed by the other poor sobs who fell first. He would survive the impact but theres nowhere near enough water to stop before he hit the bottom. He wouldve broken both legs.
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Why didn’t they give any info on the aliens, even a quick clip of everyone in a room gasping at the creature, it could have been the first time the whole cast sees the monster to get their reaction. Then give us the audience the real thing later.
Yea this really bugged me when watching the movie. One of the points made in the movie is that most in the future are young with little to no combat experience, so why not work with the past and share information on the enemy to people that have the experience. The past military would surely outfit their soldiers with better equipment to handle the white spikes if they knew info on them and came up with countermeasures to beat them.
@@darkwurm8784they say no one would want to fight
Dude they literally said if they did the people wouldn't fight. Watch the movie next time
I think it’s lazy writing the way they had it in movie.
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But they are forced to fight either way
Thanks for the video
Does anyone notice that the m2 shreds these things and most planes are equiped with a 20-30mm gun?
Not to mention they are well aware small arms are trash vs these things but aren't sending everyone in with 50 cal teams, or at least shotguns or a large calibre rifle.
A neat twist would have been if they found out the future was actually an alternate timeline.
Ah, one timeline using another as cannon fodder. Yeah, that would have been much more interesting.
Or a way distant past where mankind was basically wiped out by the aliens and set back 50,000 years in development.
that is the ONLY possibility. as changing the past had no impact on the future, meaning it HAS to be separate
9:04 Raptor dropping the hellfire missiles like bombs😂
Because they can't modify a hellfire missile to deploy napalm? All things considered, refitting a hellfire missile to turn it into a napalm bomb doesn't seem like the most difficult thing they have had to do in the future.
@@taoofjester4113no because it’s a missile not a bomb and also because the raptor doesn’t fire hellfires to begin with
I watched this a while ago and i really wanted to see a cinemasins of this
So one thing i wondering about is why the future people would bother with trying to fight the aliens in the future. The could've just evacuated to our time and prepared for the war which they thought was an invasion. It would make more sense for them to actually use the time travel...to travel back in time. Then again i only kinda saw the movie once so i might not remember if they explained it, i doubt it though.
Mad refreshing seeing @CinemaSins understand the power of the USAF in the context of cinema. Not to mention the navy....submarines, etc.
Not one person wondered how an animal can grow spikes...kinda like teeth at a rate of one per second. Not to mention having a density heavy enough to send people flying when hit. ( But who cares? It's a movie.)
"That's not a toxin, you just synthesized George Lazenby"
My sides, jesus christ. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
16:00 A high school teacher.... that's also a former Green Beret.
That's also the reason he was leading the team at the beginning of the movie, too. It's almost like, if cinema sins hit the ship button he would understand things better. 😂😂😂
3:45 lol
Dude it was an "alien in the ice" movie waay before what you mentioned: The thing!
You sighing at 17:57 was hilarious
I had forgotten that this film existed. I guess it shows how much of an impression it left on me, or lack thereof.
Don't forget "The Thing" being buried in ice, 1951 and 1982 versions.
12:02 damn this guy sometimes sums up an entire movie with just one sin 😭 #cinemagod
At 3:29 “reinvented slavery” The military draft still exists in real life. It just isn’t active at this time - or at least not in the United States.
yeah, but people can still generally say no, because the problems caused by drafting/conscripting unwilling people are worse!
if im conscripted i'd do the training and then look for an opportunity to take out as much of "my own" command as possible.
@kitsunekaze93 "people can still generally say no" You do know they could be arrested and prosecuted for that, right?
This movie had a lot of sins for me. However it was redeemed when the politician whimped out and took the credit away from the people who deserved it. 100% accurate.
Removing a sin for being real to life, adding a sin for reminding me of real life.
come on, man. i expected at least 1 sin off when we first see the alien in the staircase, that shit was awesome! the alien's design, the tension.. everything. just. incredible.
Random but what if Joker 2 is secretly Killing Joke meets Mad Love with Joker trying to turn Barbra Gordon into Harley Quinn with Gleason and Keener in yet unnamed roles playing The Gordons?
The comment at 7:07 is spot on - that guy was this movie's Jar Jar Binks.
I liked this one. Def a lot better ways to prepare like have everyone ready on that continent instead of bringing into the future of an already lost war seems way better of a military plan.
"That's what radios are for, its like they only had 48 hours to train or something" lmfao i was dying laughing here
I'd never heard of this movie before seeing this video.
Now I know why...
19:26 Lost my sh*t at the Galaxy Quest line 💀
“Or anything damn” lol I love it when Jeremy sings
8:43
"Necks or their bellies. That's the only lethal part on their body."
"Lethal" means harmful or destructive. That's like saying, "Necks or bellies will harm you." It should have been, "That's the only vulnerable part on their body."
"DO NOT TRY AND RUB THEIR BELLY!!"
I actually didn't mind this movie. The battle at the fortified oil rig is honestly fantastic.
i honestly really liked the beginning of the movie
i love how the future people come in the middle of a huge world event
ive always wanted to see that in a movie
Going to have to stop you right there at sin 1. That’s only if the surface tension isn’t broken, which it clearly is. However if you’d have said he died cause he hit the bottom of it, then I’d agree
How about BOTH... Because both would happen.
@@captain_context9991nah, that’s why I brought up the surface tension not being broken. Surface tension is what makes it feel like a body of water is a slab of concrete
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Yeah, not entirely. But it would be like landing on a non-Newtonian fluid. The water simply wouldnt have much time to go anywhere. But you would prefer water to concrete.
It doesn't even need to be broken. Even at full tension water has nothing on concrete. It's a shame a myth so thoroughly busted is still being propagated.
surface tension is a myth, its still a brick wall even if the water is moving
4:40 I saw it so long ago and didn’t pay that close attention, but I think it was only 7 days in his time?
I remember randomly coming across this movie on Prime Video back in 21 and deciding to check it out knowing absolutely nothing about it.
That Homer Simpson "neeeerrddf" quote 😅 . Very good CinemaSins. Very good
I knew there was a reason I didn't waste time watching this film and you showed me twenty minutes worth of them! Thanks!
After the war happens and Dan jumps back, he has a conversation with his wife about how the aliens arrived here and they realise they’re already on Earth.
That conversation could have happened before he jumped to the future. Once that conversation happened, Dan could have immediately assembled the team, gone to Russia to find the spaceship and blow it to ashes using C4 instead of using the toxin his daughter developed. In fact it would have been easier because none of the aliens in the ship would have woken up from the toxin delivery causing so much noise.
The whole film basically didn’t need to happen.
I enjoyed this movie despite its errors, but what was missing most was violence with aliens that throw spikes and others cut him in half and not a drop of blood and that the green screen is noticeable in some scenes such as the sacrifice of the daughter
I laughed super hard at the VA joke , thanks sir
I believe that you should get a award for your reaction to the internet search; like you didn’t know what the pickles were for 😂.
Jesus, I'd forgotten about this sludge! It was a very very silly movie! It made 65 look like a masterpiece of coherent story telling!
haha that not dying when falling from the sky pissed me after so much I am glad somebody else understands my pain
This movie gets much better when you realize that it's just It's a Wonderful Life with 10 billion more murderous aliens in it. Think about it - guy who ends up dying because he's depressed about his reality and future gets a chance to see what happens to the world and his family when he's not in it because he's dead. It motivates him in a big way to go back and do right by his family and be happy with his life.
So you've not seen this or Its a wonderful life. Very clear.
4:15 : I don't get the portal gun joke; time for google and hope to not get a "My Eyes!" reaction 😅
Honestly I kinda liked this movie. But there is one thing I still don’t understand about the ending ; So as it turns out, the White spikes did not land on Earth in 2048 (which does make sense, while the female is intelligent, they do not seem evolved enough to figure out space travel, they’re much closer to dangerous wild animals). They have been here for over a 1000 years, but they were trapped in ice. The ice melts with climate change, they get out and wreak havoc on us, makes sense. So at this point in the movie (so after the scene in the classroom with the boy passionate about volcanoes), we still don’t know where they came from. They could be ancient creatures from Earth or they could have been brought here by something else. So the crew gets to the glacier, and yes, there is a spaceship with another alien species that seems to harvest the white spikes like a biological weapon, and that brought them here. Their ship crashed, so they died, and then with snowfall over the centuries, it got completely covered in ice and frozen over. BUT, and here’s what I don’t understand, the white spikes were sleeping in these sort of harvest pods inside the ship. They were not frozen per se, the ship was. And they were still in this sort of controlled sleep in their pods regardless. So WHY ON EARTH does the ice melting and freeing the ship (around 2047) also freed them ? How the heck were they freed from their pods inside the ship and able to get out and attack the Earth ???? I’m genuinely confused, is it a giant plot hole that we missed or did I just miss a bit of the explanation about that, could someone clear it up for me please 😅??
I just figured the thawing ice allowed the ship to be discovered in the future and then humans inadvertently ended up freeing the aliens. Not really a plot hole; it's just something the movie does not address.
I WAS WAITING FOR YALL TO COVER THIS😂❤not disappointed very good
Is the premise of this movie kind of dumb? Yes. Did it deliver anything to really distinguish it from other sci-fi alien invasion movies? Not really? Was it kind of awesome and super fun to watch? Yes, yes it was.
This entire movie makes absolutely no sense LMAO
The water thing: the *first* person to hit the pool? Dead. After that, the waves decrease the surface tension by about 2/3, so anyone after him would be sore, but alive.
I thought the same, but also with that high speed of falling they would still die or at least break their bones by hitting the bottom of the pool.
I thought Mythbusters showed the break-surface-tension technique did not help?
it was also raining heavily which will have helped,