Archery | What Happens When You DON'T Unstring A Bow (For Months)

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  • Опубліковано 6 гру 2018
  • The results of an unintentional test.
    Bows featured:
    Topoint Unison
    Bosen Bows Horn
    Mandarin Duck Qing Traditional
    Samick Sage (from 3Rivers Archery)
    Greyhawke English Longbow
    3R Elven Ranger
    Southwest Scorpion (swarchery.link/NUSensei2)
    Mollagabet from Julian ( / lolmasaurus )
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  • @NUSensei
    @NUSensei  5 років тому +565

    Quick reference:
    Modern bows, fibreglass laminated limbs, compound bows = OK to leave strung.
    Traditional bows, wooden bows, self-bows, longbows, etc. = UNSTRING WHEN NOT IN USE

    • @x3roxide
      @x3roxide 5 років тому +8

      If I were you, I would try to make a longbow jig and clamp it. Should be able to fix the bow... If you're feeling creative you could even add some reflex/deflex to it.

    • @leek2serious
      @leek2serious 5 років тому +1

      You breezed over the laminated wood bows. So would it be ok to leave it for a month or two? Comparison to the bare wood bow.

    • @MegaSovietRussian
      @MegaSovietRussian 5 років тому +6

      @@leek2serious 1:27

    • @sjankarcher
      @sjankarcher 5 років тому +16

      No its not okay to leave modern bows strung. You cannot fool physics. The damage will be minor but still.

    • @Gundolf300
      @Gundolf300 5 років тому +7

      Actually that's completely untrue. Older traditional bows that have been left strung for years have shown to take absolutely no negative effect by this.

  • @creeperFIN123
    @creeperFIN123 5 років тому +525

    Just saw the title and ran to unstring my bow...

    • @godlessbastard4162
      @godlessbastard4162 5 років тому +13

      same!

    • @Serious-zs6qy
      @Serious-zs6qy 5 років тому +2

      Lol same here

    • @Serious-zs6qy
      @Serious-zs6qy 5 років тому +1

      it doesn't matter or affect the bow I don't understand this one 🤔and it probably will affect the power of the bow or tension but no worries in my world lol

    • @davidbeaulieu4815
      @davidbeaulieu4815 5 років тому +17

      @@Serious-zs6qy my girlfriend's bow is handmade all wood by her tribe technically she has several different Native American tribes in her but if I did that to her bow she would literally put an arrow through my eye probably at a hundred paces. Modern materials make it irrelevant but it's a good way to ruin a real bow. Same with real strings you don't let them get wet you use beeswax on them or whatever to keep the water out I think there's something to be said for tradition and frankly I don't want fiberglass anything

    • @somethingsomethingsomethingdar
      @somethingsomethingsomethingdar 5 років тому +2

      literally did the same thing hahaha

  • @ebollinger72
    @ebollinger72 5 років тому +302

    Loving the facial hair man!

  • @joporter9953
    @joporter9953 5 років тому +271

    Hi Nu.. long time shooter.. recurve.. those wood bows aren't destroyed.. get a wood 2x4 lay the bow on it and put a thinner book or whatever between the grip and the 2x4 and then tie the ends with string or something like clamps and let that set back to straight over a period.. keep checking for straightness and retieing as needed.
    The book which should be about 1/2 inch thick.. about 13 mm.. is there so you can bring the wood back just past where it should be to let it set.. when you unclamp it to check after a month.. you may find you need a thicker book.
    That back room of yours may do to reset it.. but a little steam like in a shower might help to speed it up a bit.. but not too much.. just enough to warm and dampen the wood slightly.
    I'd like to see you do this and give updates for others who may have the same issue.
    Cheers Nu.. great channel.. and good luck with bringing back those sticks!

    • @elevown
      @elevown 5 років тому +9

      I didn't know this would work but I was gonna leave a comment asking can't it be undone by sorta reversing it and setting it back to the right shape over months?
      Though I'd guess after setting and resetting, the wood may have lost a little of its spring still - (a bow is not designed to be forced to bend the other way, I'm not sure what it would do to the woods density in various areas) -and maybe once fixed it would still have a few pounds less on the draw or be more likely to fail in some way?

    • @SnowblindOtter
      @SnowblindOtter 5 років тому +19

      With how strong the curvature is, he would have to re-set it slowly. Something like a home-brew tillering rack and a length of rope would be better, I think, because that way he could control how far they're flexing. General rule of thumb is to take twice as long to re-set the limbs as it took for them to set.

    • @MakersMuse
      @MakersMuse 5 років тому +6

      I was wondering if this was a thing, makes sense!

    • @amishrobots
      @amishrobots 5 років тому +1

      I would love to see a video of this

    • @dicktsui1818
      @dicktsui1818 5 років тому +1

      @@MakersMuse Really shocked to see you here as I was originally trying to design a crossbow and drifted here.
      The heat bending of wood is just like bending PLA , it happens slowly but overtime it brings big effects , adding water and warmth is just like adding solvent.

  • @MakersMuse
    @MakersMuse 5 років тому +116

    I don't own a bow, I don't know why UA-cam suggested this, but I found the material science side of this unintentional test absolutely fascinating.If the bow 'sets' do you think you could apply force in the opposite direction for another few months to correct it?

    • @NUSensei
      @NUSensei  5 років тому +48

      That's certainly a possibility, and not uncommon. This is typically done by clamping the stave down and placing it in a hot room.

    • @HidekiShinichi
      @HidekiShinichi 5 років тому +4

      What about 3d printed bows? I mean there are carbon fiber materials soooo

    • @lawlerzwtf
      @lawlerzwtf 3 роки тому +3

      HEY it's maker's muse! Cool to see one of my favorite 3D printing channels on one of my favorite archery channels, haha.

    • @rokka7188
      @rokka7188 2 роки тому +2

      Wooden bow sets can be corrected whilst making a selfbow (Single wood bow while tillering, or even wooden laminate bows, etc.) yourself or if it's very small during use, through either heat bending it or steaming each side of the limb, it's how you also get curved tips/recurve styled single-wood bows to your own preference. But if it's a large set, it can be harder to correct since it can be permanent damage to the structure of the wood and it might return back onto that set position, if you do correct it.

    • @howdidthisgethere119
      @howdidthisgethere119 2 роки тому +1

      As someone who has to deal with things that should be straight but have taken a bend as part of my normal job, the straightening process can be difficult because the object will always want to roll around180° to achieve it's minimum state of energy.
      steaming and resetting wood has been mentioned here and I know straightening can be done, I just wanted to add from my own experience with straightening.

  • @IraJavier
    @IraJavier 4 роки тому +172

    But I want to be ready when AI robots terrorists attack my house. Imagine me struggling to string my bow in front of them? Embarrassing.

  • @The_Fit_ness_monster
    @The_Fit_ness_monster 4 роки тому +20

    I literally just walked in my room and unstrung my 4 recurves 😂😂 better safe than sorry.

  • @embe9146
    @embe9146 4 роки тому +10

    I got my first bow by mail today, incredibly excited.
    I'm glad I stumbled across this video.

    • @devekut2
      @devekut2 2 роки тому

      One year later, are you still happy with it?

  • @VSO_Gun_Channel
    @VSO_Gun_Channel 5 років тому +26

    Elastic vs plastic deformation. Simple concept. Excellent video.

  • @ThegnThrand
    @ThegnThrand 5 років тому +18

    This is Thrand, very good video and great information I ruined a bow as boy because I did not realize this problem if you leave a bow strung for long periods.

  • @bubbleofa8444
    @bubbleofa8444 4 роки тому +8

    You have violated article 69 of the Geneva Convention: Thou shall unstring longbows when not in use, no exceptions.

  • @benblake4448
    @benblake4448 2 роки тому +1

    I like that you show your mess ups.

  • @oldgold5848
    @oldgold5848 5 років тому +6

    Good vid Nu, and the Oliver Queen facial hair adds gravitas!!!!

  • @longriderxx
    @longriderxx 4 роки тому

    Thanks for the advise and your honesty .

  • @jakobe75
    @jakobe75 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you for this lesson.

  • @malter87
    @malter87 5 років тому +69

    what happens if you accidentally shoot your laundry in the back? XD

    • @vcash1112
      @vcash1112 5 років тому

      malter87 Classic!lol

    • @propyro85
      @propyro85 5 років тому +6

      Hanging cloth is actually a pretty good arrow stop. When I used to shoot in my basement, I used a cheap carpet hanging of a coat rack as an arrow stop, and it worked great.

    • @herpderp9774
      @herpderp9774 4 роки тому +4

      You get a damage bonus for shooting it in the back.

    • @JERRYR708
      @JERRYR708 4 роки тому +2

      @@propyro85 I fill a box with old clothes, spray sticky glue on the back of a target and slap it on the cardboard box. Makes a great arrow stop. Just make sure you remove snaps, zippers and buttons that might damage your arrows.

  • @me_llc
    @me_llc 3 роки тому

    Great answer and explanation

  • @ocanain1731
    @ocanain1731 5 років тому

    Hey man. Haven't seen your videos in a while and here you are with a brand new, fancy moustache. Very nice.

  • @jmfa57
    @jmfa57 5 років тому +2

    Great lessons, NUSensei. By the way, the facial hair looks good on you. You still look young, but now you look old enough! Thanks for another excellent and informative video!

  • @CrowMeris
    @CrowMeris Рік тому

    Thank you. This is information I am not (yet) passing down to my granddaughter. I want her to fully develop the habit of un-stringing after every use, regardless of the material of the bow.😊

  • @TrollinCrazyRussian
    @TrollinCrazyRussian 5 років тому

    Came across your channel and stayed solely for your humorous demonstrate of beginners.

  • @WanneSomeSoup
    @WanneSomeSoup 5 років тому +5

    Great video and a very impressive collection of bows! Now can we have a video in which you introduce everyone one of your bows?

  • @josephnorcalusa1710
    @josephnorcalusa1710 3 роки тому

    Helpfull information , thank you for sharing !

  • @ChristianGeske-yn3mr
    @ChristianGeske-yn3mr 5 років тому +210

    Keep the facial hair just sayin

    • @SoNyXDNB
      @SoNyXDNB 5 років тому +14

      Looks like some kind of sensei now haha!

    • @kyubeycoobie3568
      @kyubeycoobie3568 5 років тому +4

      Looks like an evil warlord to me. Especially being an Archer

  • @kinglobster4172
    @kinglobster4172 5 років тому +8

    The beard is legendary

  • @KeepinYouUp07
    @KeepinYouUp07 5 років тому +10

    I just took the strings off my hoyt compound. Phewww I wouldn't want to ruin it. I just bought it!

    • @gdhyp3rsqu1d59
      @gdhyp3rsqu1d59 3 роки тому +2

      You Don't need to unerring compound bows.

  • @sbvera13
    @sbvera13 5 років тому +2

    You might be able to recover some of the set by steaming it. A laundry iron+damp rag will work with enough patience. Steam it front and back until the grain starts to swell, then move the rag to next 6 inches, repeat until the whole bow is done. Then store it flat until the wood returns to the ambient humidity (perhaps a month).
    If you get the chance to try it, I'd love to hear the results! I've used steam to repair a twisted flatbow with success (about 80% of the twist removed, enough to shoot it again), but I havn't had a chance to test this technique on an entire bow. Downside is you'll probably have to refinish the wood in the process.

  • @rledmiston462
    @rledmiston462 5 років тому +5

    I have that fear of ruining or damaging my bows, I just went and checked them 2 are still stung, but only for a week. Thanks for the info.

  • @nobull7185
    @nobull7185 5 років тому +1

    Love your videos!! LOVE THE BEARD!!!

  • @TheGuzmansforza
    @TheGuzmansforza 5 років тому +1

    Thabks for this videos man. You are my personal instructor right now.

    • @stanleyyelnats1313
      @stanleyyelnats1313 5 років тому

      I completely agree! Love his vids....very concise and informative:)

  • @Beesa10
    @Beesa10 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for sharing, going to my bow right now and unstring it.

  • @twintwo1429
    @twintwo1429 5 років тому

    Thanks for your advice, respect for all types of bows, is necessary.
    Lessons learned! Ha ha. Thanks.

  • @Fatallica
    @Fatallica 5 років тому

    Wow im glad this showed up in my reccomended, i thought i only needed to unstring my hickory longbow if i wasnt going to be using it near daily like i have been, havent unstrung it since i bought it back in march. Thank you so much for this video.

    • @Fatallica
      @Fatallica 5 років тому

      @@kakarot1234567891234 wut

  • @PeterSolerom
    @PeterSolerom Рік тому +1

    I have left my laminated bow strung for about 2 years now (its a cheap 120dlls bow from ebay) I only shoot it like once a week, so far it's working pretty fine, it's still working like when it was new.

  • @johnminnitt8101
    @johnminnitt8101 5 років тому +65

    Hello Nu (if I may so call you). Well, based on about 30 years of shooting and making wooden longbows I must say that actually I'm quite surprised that the Greyhawke took so little set being strung for that long. What wood is it, I can't see on the clip?
    I've had a few that took that much just from a year or two of use.
    Let me echo your remarks about this, I have always unstrung wooden bows immediately I finished shooting (and while stopped for lunch on all day field shoots), especially in hot weather (less of a problem in the UK than where you are I suppose).
    As I understand it the set happens because the structure (cells) of the wood on the belly collapse under the compression strain - the same thing happens when a bow is drawn too far or made too stacked for the compression strength of the wood type.
    So I doubt that clamping it back straight will really cure it, the set would probably come back when it is bent again and shot. I did once try steaming a bow like that back straight and the effect didn't last.
    The one thing that might work is the real 'malming' (heat treating and resin-applying) that some are doing now to increase the strength of belly wood, there is a good account in vol 4 of Traditional Bowyer's Bible, and a demo here
    ua-cam.com/video/C-4qRIajOM8/v-deo.html
    The beard's coming along nicely, I wish mine was still that colour.

    • @randomness8819
      @randomness8819 2 роки тому +1

      You've got a beautiful beard and heart. Assalamu alaykum peace be unto you. Thx for a very informative comment.

    • @johnminnitt8101
      @johnminnitt8101 2 роки тому +1

      @@randomness8819 Thank you for a very amiable comment.

  • @b4bluey
    @b4bluey 4 роки тому +2

    INFO GOOD TO KNOW !! Damn It, I left my one still strung >> Thank You !!

  • @eleeyah4757
    @eleeyah4757 5 років тому +9

    Japanese traditional bows (Yumi) made of bamboo are so vulnerable to being strung, that you don't even want to use only one. Since they will start to set during the short durations that you are using them, many Kyudoka will have at least 2 bows and alternate between every couple weeks or months. This only applies to fully natural Yumi of course.

  • @alexs5744
    @alexs5744 4 роки тому +7

    I always unstring my Samick Sage when I'm not using it. I spent good money and since I'm a poor college student I don't have a lot of money. So I always respect my things.

  • @stromtrooper7118
    @stromtrooper7118 5 років тому

    Nice look, man!

  • @testname4464
    @testname4464 5 років тому +2

    Someone better show John this video, he left Arthur's strung for years.

    • @funnyguy5746
      @funnyguy5746 5 років тому +2

      Well, we all know that the Marston's box under a bed method is the best way to keep a bow

  • @TheCludo
    @TheCludo 5 років тому +6

    as a carpenter i would say unstring this bow and keep it straightened in the same area where you kept it, there may be a slight chance that the bow will get back it's natural form

  • @wayneashby5030
    @wayneashby5030 5 років тому +1

    I have an Olympic style recurve with carbon/wood laminate limbs. Even though it might be okay for the limbs, I always unstring it when I'm done shooting to minimize the possibility of the string getting nicked and cut on a sharp edge. During handling, a string that gets nicked while under high tension can easily be damaged and may even cause it to dangerously "explode!"

  • @cameronstewart6636
    @cameronstewart6636 5 років тому +1

    Very interesting. I have a lot of bows (in the vicinity of 2-3 dozen). After years of storing them in a mix of strung and unstrung states, I have come to the same conclusion: it matters what the bow is made of and how it's stored. The cheap fiberglass bows have it rough in the AZ summer with the months of heat they're exposed to.

  • @gabrielrivera7518
    @gabrielrivera7518 3 роки тому +3

    we have a compound how that hasn't been shot in 8 years it shoots perfect

  • @qontoh2s872
    @qontoh2s872 5 років тому +5

    Get to 4:09, oh yeah, forgot to unstring the horse bow that I last used two months ago. Pause vid. Unstring, resume vid.

  • @randomness8819
    @randomness8819 2 роки тому

    Thank you. Im so new my bow is on order n i had no idea. Os sensei 😜

  • @neurofiedyamato8763
    @neurofiedyamato8763 5 років тому +2

    Can you reset the bow by adding weights on the curve to give it back the straightness? Also I'm pretty sure modern bows will suffer from this too. It's just how physics work, although it might be minor. OR the string might get stretched instead of the limbs bending. Which I assume would affect performance at least slightly.

  • @EthanLloydBarlow
    @EthanLloydBarlow 3 роки тому

    Thank you.

  • @mykr0324
    @mykr0324 5 років тому +1

    Great video. Was wondering whether this would be the case with modern bows not really being affected by keeping them strung. Personally I would always unstring anyways. Takes like 20 seconds, even with a bow stringer.

  • @FPChris
    @FPChris 2 роки тому +1

    Can confirm I left two recurves stung since last Summer. Perfectly fine.

  • @robertlee8400
    @robertlee8400 4 роки тому +1

    Have you ever thought of using some kind of steam lightly to bring back the straightness of your bow , I mean I don’t know if it could even be done or if it will work but I,ll bet it’s worth a try , it might bring the bow back into shape & if you let it sit & completely dry out afterwards it might shrink the wood back to its original form , try stringing it backwards when or if you do this maybe it could help also .

  • @PeaceLoveAndGuns
    @PeaceLoveAndGuns 5 років тому

    Great video! A recommend the awesome book Shooting the Stick Bow. The author agrees with your perspective.

  • @daveengstrom9250
    @daveengstrom9250 5 років тому +7

    I have been a cabinet maker for many years. A wooden long bow (or types like that) can be straightened again using a steam box. Rather than making one for just one job, go and find a woodworker to steam it for you. Takes about 2 hours. Hope that helps you.

    • @blackdeath4eternity
      @blackdeath4eternity 5 років тому

      i was about to comment on the possibility, but you beat me to it, there is a possibility that the bow might not be quite as good as new but it would still be allot better than how it is currently.

    • @blackdeath4eternity
      @blackdeath4eternity 5 років тому

      @lahokc59 it would likely loose some of its original strength, But in comparison to its current shape i feel it would re-gain some.

    • @daveengstrom9250
      @daveengstrom9250 5 років тому +1

      @lahokc59 Actually it is not. Wood is a natural polymer. Think of it as thousands of straws held together by a glue. The glue in this case is a lignin binder. Like fat on an animal it melts with heat. When wood is steamed, the binder turns to a liquid. That is when it is formed by various methods and held in place until it cools again. Science 101.

    • @Pidalin
      @Pidalin 5 років тому

      Bad idea, it's not to easy to do this and common wood worker doesn't have knowledge for doing this without destroying that bow. You have to find real cabinetmaker which is really hard today and even cabinetmakers with shool for that don't know anything about steam bending, you have to find someone who has school with focus on this exactly. With cheap bow you can try it and maybe it will be ok, but with expensive bow it's really bad idea.

    • @daveengstrom9250
      @daveengstrom9250 5 років тому

      @@Pidalin I am a cabinet maker. I had no intentions of hi-jacking this posting. I simply offered one solution for one problem. Steam bending has been going on as long as wooden barrels or ships have been made (thousands of years). NUSensei has a great site. Enjoy your day.

  • @lokeman8492
    @lokeman8492 4 роки тому

    I forgot a couple bows strung up in my garage for a couple weeks and both of them developed a twist in the limbs. Every time I drew them back, the string would twist around the string notch and pop real loud. The limb end would actually be inside the string loop on one side. The bows would shoot straight, but I knew it was a matter of time before I got that one unlucky shot where the bow would eventually unstring itself mid draw. It was a Redwing recurve and a PSE Impala Recurve. The Impala wasn't that bad. It shot fine and the string didn't try to jump off. If it was unstrung, and laid on its side, you could how twisted it became. After each shot, the string was not centered on the limbs and did not sit in the resting groove.

  • @simplyrise5217
    @simplyrise5217 4 роки тому +1

    Moral of the story😱Don't own too many bows😫 Love your video bro👌

  • @letssee8397
    @letssee8397 5 років тому

    Hey NuSensei!
    I'm pretty curious about wood laminated carbon fiber/fiberglass bows with an extreme recurve - Korean, Turkish, etc. all with a pretty extreme reflex in that unstrung, they point away from the archer.
    Example: Kaya bows
    Can these also be left strung?

  • @nixter8739
    @nixter8739 5 років тому

    As a rule of thumb if the bow has reinforced tips for fast flite string. It has modern enough resin and glass as to not take a set. If the limb tips are not reinforced and/ or can only use dacron bow strings the limbs may take a set. Steel would be an exception, they probably wont have the reinforced tips and still could remain strung. My older bows i leave unstrung. My newer bows, varies i usually have at least one strung in case i need it now.

  • @Legionario186
    @Legionario186 11 місяців тому +1

    Excellent your explanations, subscribed.. your info is very important greetings from colombia 🇨🇴

  • @michaelkessler129
    @michaelkessler129 5 років тому +1

    Arigato, Sensei:
    After forty years as a serious archer a bad case of arthritis grounded me four years ago, forcing me to put my Merlin SuperNova compound bow in its case, where it's been for about four years now -- unstrung. So I'm wondering how that will affect a compound bow. I can't shoot it anymore and I have no intention of selling it or giving it away, so I have no real concern. I'm just curious.

  • @dragonwisard
    @dragonwisard 4 роки тому

    I'm recently getting back into archery and I love your videos. But I'm noticing a trend that in many of your videos your camera is focusing on the background leaving the foreground (you) slightly out of focus. It's usually not out of focus enough to be a problem with respect to what you're demonstrating, but it's just enough to occasionally get distracting. I'm not sure what kind of recording gear you use, but it might be worth experimenting with the autofocus options to see if if you can have it lock onto your face or track the moving part of the frame. Otherwise, THANK YOU for making so many very helpful videos for casual enthusiasts like myself.

  • @timphillips7411
    @timphillips7411 5 років тому +1

    I wonder what your thoughts regarding restringing the bow backwards? Could it possibly correct the problem? Just a thought. Like your videos!

  • @joporter9953
    @joporter9953 5 років тому

    Incidentally.. the same straightening technique can be used to take out limb twist and misalignment, however, the set up is a little bit more involved and it may take more time and care.. but wood is a malleable structure that will conform to any reasonable shape it's asked nicely/persuaded to be in and keep it's original strength.
    Examples of this strength retention are more obvious in things like wicker furniture and steam bent cedar boxes as well as canoes that indigenous people of the North West coast of North America made.

  • @jrs4516
    @jrs4516 4 роки тому

    i have a very old all wood long bow that belonged to my grandfather. it's been stored unstrung for as long as i can remember but it has significant curve with no string. if you ran an unloaded strong from end to end the brace height would be 3 inches. strung it's 9 inches which seems high. length is 65 inches. it takes a LOT of force to string it despite the pre-curve. should i try to flatten it out by storing it in reverse tension? do you think the string is too short? thanks.

  • @sybrenkoninckx
    @sybrenkoninckx 5 років тому +7

    Very good tip. Just made a yew warbow.. Shoots perfect so I don't want to ruin it with leaving the string on.. so i instantly went to my bow to unstring it😃

    • @jplifts3008
      @jplifts3008 3 роки тому

      Nice sounds like a cool bow

  • @tangobayus
    @tangobayus 3 роки тому +10

    I've had a Samick Sage for maybe 5 years. I've left it strung. Seems fine. If there was a problem I'd just buy new limbs. I think I've heard that you can distort limbs by stringing/unstringing improperly. I think the Sage is a great bow for the money. I shoot well with it.

    • @MrCedricPeterson
      @MrCedricPeterson Рік тому +1

      still leave it strung? I got a sammick sage and the guy told me i had to unstring it after use. Not to leave it strung longer than about 3 weeks. But my uncle leaves his recurve strung. But i’m interested sense i have the same bow as you

  • @MarkMphonoman
    @MarkMphonoman 5 років тому

    I left my Bob Lee recurve bow strung for over a year and the bow was fine. However, the string stretched and when I strung the bow I didn’t pay attention to the brace height. When I shot the first several arrows I kept whacking my forearm and wrist. I assumed I was rusty and blamed myself for the poor shooting and arm slaps. However, then it dawned on me, the string stretched over time and it needed to be twisted a bit. It was a bit of a painful lesson. Mark

  • @joshuamirabal3617
    @joshuamirabal3617 5 років тому +23

    I never leave any of my bows strung anyway. I don't wanna take the chance

    • @Chief2Moon
      @Chief2Moon 4 роки тому

      Legolas E I'm the same with mine

  • @sevenrats
    @sevenrats 3 роки тому

    Is it ok to leave a take down recurve assembled and unstrung and leave the slack string on the limbs? Will the string dry out? Or should the string be taken off and put in a sealed container? I would assume that the assembled bow should be laid flat on it's side?

  • @nikitagusev9990
    @nikitagusev9990 3 роки тому

    Thank you for video!!! Actually I have seen it few years ago and came back to it now, because I bought new limbs for my bow and got a question. HARD ROCK MAPLE WITH CARBON AND GLASS limbs should be unstring or not? I have some doubts about "HARD ROCK MAPLE', if it is wood, bow should be unstring, right?

  • @One_of_us_FTA
    @One_of_us_FTA 4 роки тому

    thank you

  • @jessric5947
    @jessric5947 2 роки тому

    Wood worker here. For the long bow, take a PVC that could fit the bow then soak it in boiling water for an hour, it will straighten up. Let it dry for 3 weeks in a well conditioned room then when it's dry, finish it with linseed oil or any finishing oil

  • @lenoretalon9958
    @lenoretalon9958 4 роки тому

    Thank you!!!!!

  • @timmyjamesrose3576
    @timmyjamesrose3576 Рік тому

    Just a thought. If you hung your bent bow upside down on 2 pegs ( equidistant from the hand grip and roughly where the bend begins) and then suspended a weight from each end would it eventually straighten out?

  • @giannihenk
    @giannihenk 5 років тому +18

    I always unstring my bow, it takes 4 seconds

  • @littlebritain64
    @littlebritain64 4 роки тому

    Hi, how to notice if your long-time strung bow is damaged? As a noob i left a 3 parts bow, wooden and metal, as the one you showed in the very end, strung for years. Then I suspected it could be dangerous for it and now i have left it dismantled for years. Thanks.

  • @Mr.M1STER
    @Mr.M1STER 2 роки тому

    Forget months, my recurve bow has been strung and not used for years. I would guess about 4 years but it could be longer. It recently got it back out again and it looks and seems okay apart from being a tad dusty. The brace height has reduced but tbh I can't remember if this was ever set correctly to begin with. I might unstring the bow and see if I can get some twists into the string to fix the brace height.

  • @magicdaveable
    @magicdaveable 5 років тому

    My bows are truly "primitive" made from bamboo/sinew, wood/sinew, and a traditional English Longbow (D shape) made from Lemon Wood. All three take down at the hand grip. I never leave them strung. I do have a Korean style Horse Bow made from carbon fiber backed Hickory. That too takes down at the hand grip. None of my bows have an arrow shelf. I have been shooting off my knuckle since early childhood. 60 years of slinging arrows with either hand has taught me intricate body control. My favorite bow is my Sinew backed Bamboo Horse Bow. After shooting it gets unstrung and taken apart then each half is slid into it's own wool flannel sock. All of my bows are works of the bowyers art and are treated that way.

  • @ClarkKent-ij3rm
    @ClarkKent-ij3rm 5 років тому +7

    Regarding the first longbow you showed, could you string it backwards to fix the problem of the wood that retained the curve?

    • @SnowblindOtter
      @SnowblindOtter 5 років тому +1

      No, outright stringing the bow backward will cause the bow to break. Bows that have taken a set need to be re-set slowly.

    • @johnminnitt8101
      @johnminnitt8101 5 років тому

      No. It's risky to stretch wood that is designed to, and got used to, compressing by stretching it on the outside of the bend, especially when the wood is already a bit damaged by compression.

    • @ShiningDarknes
      @ShiningDarknes 5 років тому

      @@johnminnitt8101 Even a bow with no set that is well-used should only ever be strung on one side because as has been stated, the compression is designed to go one way, if you force it the other it will develop micro-cracks and eventually break.

    • @johnminnitt8101
      @johnminnitt8101 5 років тому

      @@ShiningDarknes Absolutely, as you say even if the compression wood hasn't taken set the design of the bow (and the wood types on back and belly if it's laminated) are designed for compression one side and tension the other. Bending the other way may well induce cracks bigger than micro, and the break sooner than eventually. It's just that this is even more true if the belly wood has already compressed as in this case.

  • @BooDamnHoo
    @BooDamnHoo 5 років тому

    Beard looking good sensei.

  • @ediehl007
    @ediehl007 4 роки тому

    Does this advice apply to a recurve crossbow? I've got a Barnett Vengeance crossbow that I have not used in about 3 years. It's strung but obviously not cocked. Is it still ok for use?

  • @johnbrandolini2915
    @johnbrandolini2915 5 років тому

    I have a question unrelated to keeping a bow strung. I noticed during the video you didn't use a bow stringer to string or unstring a bow. Do you use the step thru method of stringing? I used to do that but stopped when I saw videos saying it deformed the bow. I don't know what rationale supports that premise. I have found that using a stringer makes stringing a bow more difficult. I actually had a stringer fail and ended up in the emergency room with a deep laceration to my cheek bone. Appreciate the feedback.

  • @rstevewarmorycom
    @rstevewarmorycom 5 років тому +4

    Everybody knows wood will set, but you CAN restress a wood stick or self bow using counter stringing and/or steam. But fiberglas? I have left one strung for 9 months, and it had the SAME draw weight, AND the same arrow velocity as ever, measured electronically. I'm sure carbon is also immune.

    • @MrJdsenior
      @MrJdsenior 5 років тому

      I haven't tried it with bows, and it likely is as you say, but I know a fiberglass boat hull left on a hooked trailer (a misadjusted high roller, say) WILL take a hook that is VERY hard to remove. Likely the bow, with more beef and much less local loading, especially just string bent and not long term FULL DRAW bent, so you are really stressing it near it's design limits reacts to a much lesser degree, but I'm surprised it is zero. On the other hand, the matrix in most boat hulls is NOT epoxy, like I suspect it is in a bow, and THAT might be the difference. Would be interesting to see if the bow would take a set at full draw over months, if someone has a beat up junk fiberglass bow they care nothing about. Actually, I still have one of those ancient green fiberglass recurves with the black plastic handle I could try it with I've had since I was a kid, and never shoot.
      Also, I think straightening a wood bow with any kind of cellulose de-strengthener, even steam, is a bad idea. I think just stringing it backwards over time might yield a better outcome. I know when I've steam bent wood for projects, it NEVER has the same strength afterward.

  • @YiamiYo
    @YiamiYo 5 років тому

    Topoint Unison returns!

  • @cameronbamess697
    @cameronbamess697 5 років тому +5

    Can you do a video on your bow collection?

  • @tylerparker3024
    @tylerparker3024 10 місяців тому +1

    I left one strung up in my truck one day in the summer while i was working and when i left work i discovered that one limb had delaminated and came apart. Heat maybe? Im not sure. Sucked though.

  • @nightranch6218
    @nightranch6218 5 років тому

    If it has a wood layer laminated with carbon or fiberglass, it’s actually better to unstring it but the difference is minor. For limbs that are pure carbon like uukha or carbon foam(which is the case of many many high end competition and hunting limbs, it actually makes zero impact even if you sting them forever.) The other factor is that the sting will creep(extended in length) under constant tension, so the limbs is not the only problem.

  • @randylewis3080
    @randylewis3080 5 років тому

    Can you weight them backwards and steam treat them back to original set, then dry. Wood is shaped in this way.
    Just a thought.

  • @johnminnitt8101
    @johnminnitt8101 5 років тому

    Hello again, a couple of further thoughts on this. As I said I'm sceptical about how well steaming would work. I've only tried it once for undoing set (effect didn't last long), but many times to change the shape of undamaged wood (eg to straighten a new stave), which works well (usually). It will correct the shape, but I doubt it would repair the compression damage to the belly.
    Having said that, a bit of set is not a bad thing, can make a bow sweeter to shoot, anything under about 2" is no great problem, and a self-hickory bow would probably have developed some through use anyway. It also depends on what you'd do with it - for York Rounds up to 100yds the loss of speed might matter, but at shorter ranges? I did many field shoots (up to about 60yds) with an old boughstave yew longbow that, due to the set from years of use, was known as 'the banana'. I got some medals using it so it wasn't a great problem.

    • @ShiningDarknes
      @ShiningDarknes 5 років тому

      steaming works, but only if you remove the finish so the steam can get in.

  • @joeasher2876
    @joeasher2876 27 днів тому

    @Nusensei I wish I hadn't listened to you on this one. I have a modern fibreglass laminated bow which I left strung based on the advice in this video... And I just had to buy a new set of limbs for it because the bottom limb twisted and now the string does not line up with the string line on the limbs. It's a 35lb samick sage, so not the most expensive bow and the limbs were not the most expensive to replace, but I have definitely had to replace them.

    • @joeasher2876
      @joeasher2876 27 днів тому

      Took 4 months of being stored strung...

  • @steveruis1055
    @steveruis1055 5 років тому +4

    This was common knowledge back in the longbow days. Bows will "follow the string" if left strung for long. People used to unstring their bows while eating lunch at a competition. The only solution is not bending the bow back because that can destroy the bow (the bow is designed with layers that resist compression (the belly) and layers that resist tension (the back). Bending it the other way applies the wrong force to the wrong area. The only real solution is to shorten the bows. People would cut small amounts off of each end, and carve new limb tip nocks. Some experimentation is needed as one cannot be sure how much draw force you will gain doing this.

  • @MrToekneeG
    @MrToekneeG 5 років тому +1

    Can you bend them backwards on a jig and leave them to set straight again? Just wondering,

  • @fletchslade5718
    @fletchslade5718 5 років тому +5

    Even though I shoot a modern limb bow (Samick DeerMaster), I always unstring my bow after shooting. Unstringing and stringing each session gives me the chance to check both the bow and the string for any wear or unusual changes. Also, transporting a strung bow is both awkward and the chances of the string taking damage from rubbing against surfaces in a vehicle are increased.
    I do wonder what happens to a string on a strung bow that is left to sit for a month or months in variable weather? Not something I personally want to try though.
    Thanks for the video! I do enjoy your exploration of things archery!

  • @typhoon37351
    @typhoon37351 5 років тому

    Hey Sensei, had a question for you. What do you think about using a pin sight thats usually designed for a Compound bow? Id it doable?

  • @JustNobodyButME
    @JustNobodyButME 5 років тому +9

    I keep my compound bow strung all the time.

    • @drsnooker1776
      @drsnooker1776 4 роки тому +4

      Same but I wonder how the hell do you unstrung one of those

    • @kaizen5023
      @kaizen5023 4 роки тому +2

      LOL

    • @CitizenKate
      @CitizenKate 4 роки тому +1

      @@drsnooker1776 You take it to the archery shop. It takes a bow press to unstring a compound bow, and that's something most of us can't afford.

  • @adymasuaribinmustakip3990
    @adymasuaribinmustakip3990 2 роки тому

    I've a 104lbs and 92lbs fibreglass.. I leave them unstring. I wanted to see if the limb and siyah are strong enough something I usually do for my new bow before I try it.. It was my first heavy bow.. Leave them for 3 days and the strings got stretch.. Is that something Im not aware yet? Strings are braided.

  • @johnvanboolen7820
    @johnvanboolen7820 4 роки тому

    Hi Nu, if you tighten the ILF tension bolts to the maximum, is this a problem? thanks John

  • @paulbaker9277
    @paulbaker9277 4 роки тому +1

    With the long bow and I maybe corrected , but I was once told to string a bow in reverse, it may bring back the shape .

  • @zetacrucis681
    @zetacrucis681 4 роки тому

    humid environment and slow gentle persuasion with strain incrementally applied in the opposite direction over some weeks, followed by drying out while fixed in desired shape should restore the wood...??

  • @partycrasher1366
    @partycrasher1366 5 років тому

    Sry for asking but, should you unstring a requrve bow like the Explorer 2.0 from huntingbows.com ?

  • @dantankunfiveancestorsfist
    @dantankunfiveancestorsfist 2 роки тому

    Is it okay to use a bit shorter string example an AMO recurve bow of 64" with 58" 16 strand string? Thanks

    • @NUSensei
      @NUSensei  2 роки тому +1

      If the actual length of the string is 58" (not 58" AMO), it's fine - strings are meant to be 3-4 inches shorter than the bow length. However, fi the string is 58" AMO, it's going to be far too short and you will end up with a brace height that is too large. This virtually eliminates the power stroke of the bow and greatly diminishes the energy transferred to the arrow.